VIRPIL WarBRD or CM2 - How To Choose?
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Choice is simple. Can't afford either but wish I could.
I have been putting a parts list together and was about to reach out to you for this exact question 😅 Thank you for the info, Noobifier!
Thanks for the video. I get asked this at least once a week. Now I can just point them to a video.
Another useful difference between the two is that the CM2 has a shorter angular displacement which reduces excessive throw with large extensions.
Yes the throw is something I neglected to talk about
Also want to point out you cost me a lot of money in the last year or so. Your Monstertech and virpil videos were instrumental in my decisions to replace my Obutto with a full Monstertech sim pit as well as my transition from TM (been using them since the 90s) to virpil. I now have all of their right handed grips, a CM2 throttle and two warBrd bases.
Thanks for putting this vid together, I agonised over which base to order, and ended up getting the WarBRD based on the assumption that the CM2 was primarily for mounting and the WarBRD was for desk use. Couldn't figure out why the price was so different, so this vid really helped explain it. Still waiting on my backorder to be processed, but at least I know I've got the right base for me on the way. :-)
I have the WarBRD and they are absolutely amazing, the extras on the other one are nice to have but for my rig they are over the top. So I went with the cheaper option ;)
Hey man, I know it's been 3 years, but if you don't mind me asking, when you posted this comment did you have a center stick configuration with extension on the grip or were you using the warBRD base on the desktop without extensions?
I want to buy the WarBRD base and get a 20cm extension on it for a center stick, but I am afraid that the travel distance of the stick will be so big that I wont be able to clear my legs to go to the extremes...
@@KevinS47 hey Kevin, no problem. Im still using it as center stick mounted to my desk. The only problem I have with it is that I have not enough space when pushing it forward. I still thinking about buying the extension as it gives more freedom to move.
Thanks, man!
Such a simple answer but not explained in the shop.
I know it's late, but you missed one of the biggest differences. The WarBRD has a larger range of motion. It works really well with their 200mm gooseneck extension extension in a custom mount\cockpit. It gives a very realistic range of motion. They warn about using that combo with their mounts though, something about smacking your desk.
Currently in the process of swapping over from my longtime Warthog setup to one the incorporates the WarBRD, simple answer why I chose the WarBRD over the CM2. My mate had a spare WarBRD that he offered me at a price I really couldn’t say no to. ( less the £80 ]. While I absolutely adore the Warthog and I’ve had one since they very first came out, now on my 2nd, I have heard over and over again how the feel of the WarBRD is significantly better than the Warthog. Personally I don’t know if it’s true, but I’ve taken a gamble and will hopefully find out in the next few days.
Just in the process of drilling and mounting the Virpil mounting bracket to a wheel stand pro mount that’s designed for a warthog.
I’ve gone for the strong springs with the avicams that I hope will provide me with the best feel. I did also purchase the extra strong springs, due to the weight of the TM stick, but that felt Too heavy, on very basic testing. ( hand moving it with the springs installed as it isn’t setup on system yet )
Overall it looks and feels like a quality product, the only thing I don’t really like is the feel of the connection inside the gimble while I’m swapping the stick heads over, which I do frequently depending on what type of aircraft I’m flying. It feels extremely flimsy and I’m worried it will snap after a bit of use, not to mention now and again, the pin connector sometimes gets pushed down into the base, resulting in me having to dismantle everything to try and get the darn thing back in place where it will connect to the stick. Unlike the TM connector, which is solid and it doesn’t matter how quick you attempt to swap the stick over, it just works perfectly each time.
Currently will be using it with the TM A10 and F18 sticks and the Virpil VFX ( F14 replica )
Hopefully I won’t regret my choice to swap over to the Virpil, but it is an easy swap back to the TM If needed
Been looking at virpils for awhile now. Thanks for the knowledge, Noob
I'd really like to see more of that VR helicopter sim rig. I like to fly the Huey in DCS World in VR and I'm slowly working on a sim rig as well
Are you still flying the Huey? I absolutely love it.
@@bobbyrutz9402 I'd like to, but I'd have to rebuild part of my sim rig. I disassembled parts of it because I don't like certain elements for what I'm trying to achieve with my sim rig, instead of waiting for the replacements to then figure out how everything has got to be.
I have both. They are indeed excellent gimbals. I have the CM2 precisely for mounting the 200mm extension. BTW, I just received my Alpha left and right set and I really like 'em. Virpil is killing it!
Hi, from your experience would you say that mounting a 200mm extension on the warBRD base is ok or is the travel distance from extreme left/back to extreme right/forward too big of a problem? (assuming you tried mounting the 200mm extension on the warBRD base too)
I would like a center mounted stick while spending the least, but I am afraid that the warBRD with the 200mm extension will suck due to the huge travel distance of the stick and end up hitting my legs before reaching the extremes of the travel distance..
I saw the helo setup around the 0:50 mark. Where'd you get the collective?
This is all I need to know .....
I recently bought the WarBRD, and it is an amazing piece of equipment for desktop use. As it is cheaper and modular (fits most of the sticks in the market), you can get into high-end sim gear more easily and the plate really helps because you don't have to buy more equipment than needed for it to function out of the box.
Love that you kept this long enough and not a second longer!
Key phrase: "if you can get them." It's a shame that a company with such great products won't communicate with customers (or prospective customers willing to drop serious cash) other than randomly updating a forum page. Their prices are high enough that people should at least get an explanation of the delays in their supply chain.
Clearly you don't read the Virpil Forum Post's
VIRPIL Controls - Ordering & Webstore
By Cypher, April 28 in News & Announcements
Hello VIRPILs!
We have been monitoring the discussions regarding our webstore and ordering process, in light of this we wanted to address some of the concerns and suggestions that have been brought up by the community.
Ordering Process & Availability
As many are now acutely aware, our primary order process involves a frequent restock which occurs generally every 1-2 weeks being made available at a set time on our webstore.
While we have been able to significantly increase our production capacity over time, we have also extended our product catalogue and the general demand for VIRPIL Controls products has also increased dramatically as more people become aware of our products. This has led to us quickly selling out in short periods of time after the store restock.
We understand that this is certainly not ideal, and there are people who are calling for pre-ordering to be available permanently on our store.
We absolutely want to make the ordering process as smooth as possible, this benefits us just as much as it benefits the community. However we feel very strongly that pre-ordering is not the answer in this case.
There are unfortunately a huge number of logistical considerations and complications when offering pre-orders. It is something that needs to be closely monitored and controlled, which is made impossible by offering catalogue wide pre-ordering around the clock. Both ourselves and our customers have been drastically affected by the negatives of this ordering process regarding pre-orders taken back in November 2019. Due to unforeseen circumstances with the Covid-19 outbreak these pre-orders have been significantly delayed causing increased strain on our operations and disappointment for our customers.
There are also a number of factors outside of our control regarding pre-orders such as with our payment processors. Strict control is enforced over the acceptance of pre-orders due to the difficulty involved with this process and as such, offering catalogue wide pre-orders 24/7 simply is not an option.
Based on community feedback, we initially began allowing limited time pre-orders on the release of a new product, however due to said restrictions we were only able to offer bank transfer as a payment option. This proved to be inconvenient and led to many issues. Due to further community feedback, we began working closely with our payment processor to allow online card payment for these limited pre-orders, something which is typically not possible!
However, upon reviewing the recent events it is unlikely that we will return to pre-ordering even for the release of future new products. The recent difficulties we’ve encountered to complete existing pre-orders has caused significant negative feedback and we certainly do not want to repeat this. As such we feel it is the most honest option to only accept the obligations we can readily fulfill.
We have also seen criticisms to simply increase production - we hope that it can be considered that we actually already operate our own dedicated production factory running at high capacity. As previously mentioned, while our production capacity has grown significantly, our product lineup and demand has also grown significantly along with it. This may cause some to believe we simply haven’t grown up since when we first started, but we can assure you that is not the case!
Aggressively increasing production to increase our capacity multiple times over would require a huge financial injection which could be achieved by increasing prices. However, we maintain that we want to offer high quality, high performance controllers at the best prices we can.
When we first entered the market in 2016, we were immediately pitted against firms who have been operating for over 10 years. We have been excited to take on this challenge to offer a better, wider selection of products to the community. We have carefully planned our operations to ensure stability and growth allowing us to rise from what was seemingly a pipe dream in 2016, to a global brand with dedicated production facilities and a complete range of products from joysticks, throttles, rudder pedals and accessories in 2020.
We are working to rapidly expand our product lineup, now offering an assortment only few in the market can boast. This year, even in light of the difficulties faced, our ambitious team will continue to develop and expand this assortment.
Webstore Performance
As with the increased demand for our products, our webstore has gone through a number of upgrades behind the scenes over time. But more evidently than ever, especially over the last 2 restocks, there have been flashbacks to our earlier days with the webstore cutting out entirely under the increased traffic we’ve encountered recently.
We are now working towards a complete overhaul of our webstore backend to dramatically increase the performance and response time even during these times of peak demand. This is something that will be rolled out after testing.
We are also investigating other changes to our webstore to prevent some recurring issues which are a side effect of the high user traffic at anyone time - including stock being taken from a basket without giving a chance to complete the checkout.
Based on this feedback we are testing for stock to be reserved within the basket which gives time to complete the checkout. If the checkout is not completed within a set time period, the stock will be released back to the store for someone else.
We will also be improving the checkout process by removing the multiple separate pages, as well as implementing PayPal Express checkout - both of these changes should significantly increase the speed at which the checkout can be completed.
A further announcement will be posted when these changes are live and we look forward to hearing feedback on these changes. We will continue to grow and focus on how we can best serve the community and get flight simulator controllers of every type into everyone’s hands as smoothly, easily and quickly as possible!
We hope that transparency on the issue can help shed some light on the challenges experienced, and the improvements that are currently underway regarding the situation with ordering from VIRPIL Controls.
We want everyone to know that your feedback and comments are closely monitored - it is as much in our interest to address all the feedback we can as it is in yours!
Without the help, support and guidance from the community, VIRPIL Controls would still be the same pipe dream it was back in 2016 and before. For that, the entire VIRPIL Controls team are incredibly grateful!
We hope that everyone is staying healthy and safe during these uncertain times and that everyone is still able to log in flight hours with their favourite sims and VIRPIL Controls gear!
Best Regards,
Andrei Lukyanov
VIRPIL Controls CEO
Andrew Thomas ... Whoa. Thanks for responding! Did this go out in a newsletter too? I don’t remember seeing it. If not, it definitely should have. I hadn’t checked the forum (other than the restock schedule) over the last two weeks, mostly out of sheer frustration. There should be a link to this statement on the bloody homepage.
I get emails about when the Virpil store has restocked. In fact just today I was finding them in my spam folder (and fixing that, they are not spam!)
@@AyarARJ While I appreciate the purpose of those emails, my experience says they don't go out quickly enough, It's best to check the restock time first and plan ahead to play F5 war. lol
Gimbals are in stock right now.
Summary seems to be...
1. If high torque is needed, CM2 is the answer. (Especially for long stick extensions)
2. Otherwise choose WarBRD for the cheaper price.
What do you mean by "long"?
I've been struggling with the TM Warthog base for a long time.
Sandpaper, grease, other feathers and so on. In the end it was not satisfactory.
I have now ordered the warbrd base and hope that I will not be disappointed.
You won't be! Get the 200mm gooseneck extension and rig up a low center mount in front of your chair, it is very realistic and far better than the CM2 ever could be.
@@Specter0420 Meanwhile the base has arrived. In the end i´ve found what i was looking for. A really great peace combined with my TM Warthog stick. It is attached on a Monstertech tablemount and works perfect!
Yes, it is not the cheapest base on the market, but you really get what you payed for.
Morning... I ended up going with the Warbrd base. Although I will say that the price was not a determining factor, I have no intention of a floor set up. I'm hoping to pair it with a Constellation Alpha grip (even though I almost exclusively play DCS). I tried my luck with the last store restock, and came away with the CM2 throttle set, and Warbrd base. I'm hoping to add the Warbrd rudder set, and the Const Alpha grip. Your videos have been excellent sources of information for me to make my decisions, and I look forward to seeing more of your content!
Did you get the constellation alpha grip in dcs I’ve been looking at win wing Virpil the warthog vkb. Currently on the t16000m flight pack and was looking to upgrade the whole kit myself but unsure of what to go with for quality and longevity I feel the Virpil products are in a league of their own
@@deadshot4245 Yes I did get the Alpha grip and it is fantastic. Paired with the CM2 throttle, and a set of Warbird rudder pedals, it is very very very satisfying to fly (keep in mind, I upgraded from a Logitech 3d Pro). I found the Alpha grip has more than enough buttons and options to easily handle all of the essential functions for DCS aircraft in terms of the stick side of HOTAS. The CM2 also has more buttons and axis available so you don't need to be too creative with bindings. I only wish I could use my Virpil kit more than I do (I'm away from home 2 months at a time). A friend of mine has the T16000M and it is a good option, but does not sit in the same league as the Virpil stuff. Adjustable springs and cams with your bases, and very high quality finishing. I do not have a single thing to complain about with my kit. I had no issues what so ever in setting up the kit with the native Virpil software (but I had watched alot of youtube content before hand). I have tried to follow the layout of the real aircraft HOTAS (ie F-16, F-18, A-10)... on my kit but kept things like flaps, gear the same throughout the modules. You cannot go wrong with the Virpil stuff.
Wow. I'm stunned at the actual quality of this product. I can see why this is the best choice for almost any flight sim enthusiast excluding the price. I defiantly hope to purchase a lot of the Virpil products just because of the insane build quality and comfort in each product. There is definitely a reason why many people love them and why they sell out so quickly. Hopefully, when this pandemic is over I can save up some extra money and actually go out and buy my first product from them if they restock. Meanwhile ill just binge-watch a bunch of reviews on their stuff and hype myself up for the time I actually get my own.
I got the cm2 just because of the replaceable usb cable. When you have cats that’s something you must consider.
Unfortunately I forgot that they don’t come with desktop plates so now I’m waiting for a pair of monstertech mounts
Are you using extensions with these? Do you feel it to be have smooth movements throughout your experience?
@@StianGrindvoll not using an extension. and i cant say if it will keep its smooth movement other time because i don't get to use it as much as i wished to.
but it is built like a tank and i doubt there is anything you could do to it that will wear it down.
I still dont have a reason to even watch a setup video about flight sim gear, but here i am watching all the way through. Trying to figure out a way to incorporate an aluminum extrusions like your into my mainly FPS desk. Love the content all the same.
I have the WarBRD and use 120mm EXTENSION JUST FINE !! I understand why the CM2/3 is better for extensions but don't be fooled, the WarBRD works just fine with extensions, it just has a bit more throw that's all
Really, everyone gives the impression that warbrd isn’t compatible with extensions, thank you for your comment, maybe you could post a short video showing it?!
Thanks for the great information. I am looking at getting the Delta grips soon, but didn't know what base to get for myself. This helped a ton!
Thanks Noob :)
I have the WarBRD & Constellation and T50 throttle after seeing your first review.
Gotta say These Virpil are awesome !!!!!
SO Smooth so accurate and easy to config and update.
The Parts are simple and strong.
i also purchased spare PCB's incase future failure but thats just me being an Anal Electronics tech.
Thank you Mate
if u are thinking of upgrading or first time stick buyer then ill say this YOU WILL GET MORE than you are paying for just in the feel of the stick alone... ive use saitex, thrustmaster ect and didn't like them at all.. the spring puck type is trash even after hrs of tuning axis.. Virpil out the box 2 years later hasn't been adjusted yet. Im cheap and hate spending money on stuff like this. but proud to support virpil knowing they put true effort into making a quality part. Also Noob whats the deal on that Collector on your rig, don't recall a video on that or is that a work in progress
Something I'd love to see:
1. WarBRD + extension(s). Still a topic as Virpil said that gimbal is strong enough to handle them so how about spring and the stiffness of the grip and throw of the grip with longer ones?
2. what is that collective on your pictures? I am not much into helo - but it looks great
I GDF love this channel. You answer my questions without jerking me around, it's so nice to see someone who actually cares.
The only downside that I can see with the warbrd is the cable. Everything else looks like it can be adjusted with springs and cams. Nice helicopter setup by the way.
I really wish the cable was detachable on my WarBRDs, it is the ONLY thing I’m worried about. It is a pretty easy fix/upgrade though if I do manage to break it.
So then for playing games like Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous, even though I plan on having HOTAS and HOSAS available depending the type of play I am doing at that time, the WarBRD would be preferable?
Thank you very much for this video, I'm currently trying to decide which base to get with the new constellation grip. This video broke it down very well for me.
I have a WarBRD grip on a WarBRD base, I'm hoping the new Constellation Alpha grip comes out one day soon in quantities enough that I can get one. I'm also waiting on the new throttle.
With as many people as want their products, you'd think they'd fight to meet production, or find a way to lock in purchases so they can more accurately schedule production numbers. I'm sure many would be willing to pre-purchase so long as they are guaranteed a product from the next production run. When I tried to pre-purchase the Alpha grip, I was turned off that they couldnt take my money via Pay-Pal and that they were asking me to telegraph them the money or something (I forget the specifics now).
Anyhow, great video. Glad you did this one as it was on my mind too. I figured the CM2 was just the next iteration and had a small net benefit of some sort, glad you did the video to spell it out for us!
They actually addressed this not too long ago. Unfortunately, they are still a small business and quality parts and construction take time. I'd rather they stay their course in prioritizing quality rather than outsourcing to meet demand. The only alternative would be to hike prices to sustain a profit margin for more production, but the owner is committed to keeping them priced as affordably as he can. Honestly I'd do the same in his position, 10/10 good business practice in my opinion.
@@Jehtte As of the 11th, they changed to wait listing as their website couldn't handle the stress of the "F5 wars" people were waging to get products. I think it's a great move as either way I have to wait, wait listing means I'm secure in knowing I have a place in line and know eventually I WILL get my product. As an early Star Citizen backer, I'm skilled in waiting. =p
So i bought the Constellation Alpha grip with the MongoosT-50CM2 Base, I wish i would have bought the other since this T-50 CM2 is so tought to move my whole desk is moving. its about 15 to 20 Lbs of presure to move the stick, I am not having fun in SC with this base. hope you guys choose the WarBRD Base much easier to move the stick.
Zero Melsgiven Open the two rubber caps and turn the screws to the left
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Some say the MongoosT-50CM2 Base without extensions is not as smooth as the WarBRD. But i guess you can adjust it to fit your needs?
yea good video! i got my questions answered! I bought 2 WarBRD cuz it was a lot cheaper, and were mostly wondering WHY it is 100€ cheaper. Still waiting for the entire Dual package to be shipped tho
@TheNOOBIFIER1337 did you see the new warbrd-d base that just got Announced? It's a everything a warbrd base but adds Dry clutches and the quick connect.
yes
Just got my Alpha and WarBRD 2 days ago. They'd been on pre-order since November. The wait was a pain, but the joystick itself is awesome.
wow that long of a wait? seems insane
Dual WarBRDs myself, and they are perfect for my needs.
I have 2 WarBRD which I have because this video was not available when I got my sticks and bases. Hah!
And luckily that has worked out quite well for me, phew!
I've had both. The CM2 has a design flaw with asymmetrical forces on some cams. WarBRD with extra heavy springs and a 200mm extension is my choice for flight sims. I drop the extension and go to light springs for space sims. I prefer non linear forces as it's far easier to develop consistent muscle memory with force+position over just position. If they update the CM2 cams I may give it another go. I'm slightly disappointed you didn't catch this flaw in your CM2 review, it seems it exists across everyone's "soft center ava sim" cams.
I love the CM2 for the helo
@@NOOBIFIER1337 you should try a force feedback for helo operation due to how they trim
On that mt50 cm2 I couldn't understand what you said that could to hook to this base. Was that Control panel, Throttle and/or Foot pedal?
I'm having difficulty finding a video to see the differences between a gimballed stick and a traditional stick. Could someone point me to a video of one exists.
I just purchased the Warbird base and the VPC Constellation ALPHA-L to use on my desk were i currently use a Thrustmaster T. 16000m as its short and comfortable to use. Hope i got the right gear from Virpil as i have never had this kind of gear before, and i am using MFS 2020 so lets see how it goes, when if finally arrives one day
There's one other important factor: Maximum deflection angle. The WarBRD's is 22 degrees compared to the CM2's 16 degrees. This makes the WarBRD outright better for unextended setups.
IMO it makes it better for extended setups too, you just need to make sure your mounting solution has clearance for the realistic range of motion.
Yep this was a question I had...now where do I find the vid setting up a Virpil HOSASAT...or HOSAS + Control Panel.
Me see noob video, me click like.
Even if I'm not planning to buy any of these schticks.
Where did you get the helicopter chair frame? I’ve been looking to build something like this
Can we get an update for this with CM3 vs WarBRD-D?
My personal experience is with the WarBRD and the Gunfighter III from VKB. To me the original WarBRD was super bouncy, due to lack of dry clutch (which is why I went to GFIII), but it's the only base I've used with a true "no-center" cam which I feel is amazing for aiming in Star Citizen.
I'm wondering if WarBRD-D with the dry clutch still has the same awesome no-center feel, while also having a nice dampened movements. Second, is the CM3 also able to provide a good no-center feel? Or is this something that you can really only do with a Dual-Cam per axis design? I know from VKB's soft center cams, that soft (and likely no) center cams + Dry Clutch on a single-cam design can lead to re-centering issues. Wondering if you've experienced this on either of the Virpil bases.
Thanks for the video, I was looking to get into star citizen and I’m thinking of buying 2 of these sticks and I was confused by the base stations
so i just ordered the warbird and i plan on using a gooseneck extension, if i add the extra heavy springs can i still use my warbird for the helicopter stuff or did i just waste my money? i mostly do helicopters and tail draggers like the xcub and stuff like that but in dcs and fsx and xplane11 im all helicopter.
Should be fine, you just won’t get a ton of torque
What kind of dampening do these bases have. It looks (based on portions of the video) like the stick is center springie.
Thank you thank you
i heard that the cm-2 throttle isnt able to use the port for connecting the joystick to the throttle to save on usb ports, and would need a usb port for the warbrd and one for the throttle, is that true?
No.
So I'm trying to get the thrustmaster hotas warthog feel where the resistance is equal in every direction and there is no progressiveness, the tension is equal the whole time. Which base is more capable of this other than the warthog, as I am not fond of its old technology
WARBrd is most capable of making that feel. Cosmo sim and weak springs
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thanks, is there any way to adjust the dampening on the warbird?
@@morenutshell1565 as in, is there a slip clutch or friction clutch?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I don't care if its a clutch or how it works, but any way to adjust the dampening?
@@morenutshell1565 well… you should care about a clutch then, because this is the way you would do tune dampening.WarBrd has none and IMO it’s not needed in this application.
Whoa - helicopters? What sim? Tell me you have a video for us in the works? Appreciate all of your stuff Noob.
DCS, Yes video incoming
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Looking forward to it. Been flying the Huey quite a bit lately.
Can the WarBRD be mounted to a extended mount below the table top?
What was that helicopter extension you showed in the beginning?! I want it
with doing spring and cam changes on the WarBRD, roughly how often do you end up needing to do these replacements? i know it will come down to frequency of usage, but even saying you play 3 hours a day 2 days a week and replace them every 4 months would go a long way to getting a rough idea.
You replace to adjust. I have never changed them due to wear, they will last a lifetime
What is that gooseneck stick extension called if you dont mind me asking? Also whats the power draw (5V,1.5A)?
It is a piece of garbage from EBay that broke. The power is based on the grip attached. It all runs off standard 2.0 USB
Just got my Conny Alpha last week and still am on the fence about what base to get. I like the replaceable cables, external adjustment, and that it comes with all of the cams in the box... but I don't really plan on using extensions and the greater range of motion on the WarBRD is also attractive and the price is very enticing. Any suggestions?
WarBrd is you don’t need extensions,
Can i use deskmounts for the WarBRD? I want to safe money but i don't know how good the ergonomy will be without mounts.
Yes, mounts from many companies including VPC and Monstertech work with WarBRD and CM2
No BS as always. Keep it coming!
The WarBRD for me. Why ? To put it on my BlackHog, and a good design ;)
Hope the Alphas going on sale soon !
i think about the cm2 to get extention to help be more precise its somthig i would like to try for sure
Just so you guys know, it's not that hard to order from them. Just watch the restock notifier and account for the timezone. I got a throttle from them about two weeks ago and it's already in my hands. First attempt at picking up a pair of gimbals will be later today. Praying the Alphas go on sale to general public this year.
Success. Ordered two Mongoose gimbals. Still in stock as of right now.
Can you get the Warbird and the MT50-CM2 to feel the same? This way you can use both in a dual stick setup and they feel the same.
I don’t believe that would be easy to do if you “Needed” it to be exact.
I do not know which one to buy for Star Citizen... WarBRD or CM2. without extencion... i would like the CM2 for Durability, what do you think? Nice Videos, all of them. Thank TheNOOBIFIER1337
Both bases are going to probably out live you if you don't abuse them. I would imagine you could repair any if needed from a local hardware store. It says in their description that the CM2 has less travel than a Warbird. I have the Warbirds (with no extensions) and they are very sensitive and accurate to input with a good amount of travel (travel is very similar if not the same as any Saitek stick I have played with). They are well stiff enough (in their default build) to tire my hands and wrists in about 20 mins. It comes down to how much and how hard you wanna throw the stick around to move in game. The Warbirds have a little lower profile and a plate for desktop mounting. CM2's in any mounting config would take a little more hardware to work with a desk.
Short and sweet, as usual. Ummm... off-topic but I don't see it in your list. Where did you get that collective control???
It was from the UK, but Virpil is making a collective soon. Search for it.
I’m a little confused about the cam comparison: price aside and assuming a dedicated mount, are you saying the WarBRD can be better in some situations (light load)?
In general, if you do not need to use very high torque or extensions, the WARBRD is seen as the better gimbal. It’s balance is better overall.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thanks!
Where did you get the lever (extension) for the cyclic?
I made it
Can you link two sticks for dual stick operations?
Yes
Hello and thanks for the video!
Currently I have a TM Warthog and I'm considering buying a Virpil base + Virpil Desk mount (so I can still use the TM Warthog grip with a better base). I'm not willing to go for any sort of grip extension.
Should I get the WarBRD or go for the T50?
Hell, if you need a larger spring, CM2… if you do not as a rule, the WARBrd gimbal is seen as better. Hope this helps
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thanks for your reply!
Do you think the WarBRD should have more resistance for SpaceSims ?
Is it too slack in your opinion or preference ?
You can just add springs so, no I think it’s fine.
My question is Virpil or VBK stick?
In the off chance you dont know this, Virpil just changed from "F5 war" style purchasing from their website (which their website wasn't robust enough to handle), to wait listing. As this was one of the major turn offs to Virpil, it might be worth you using your contacts with Virpil and making a short video with better details?
Seems that some CM2 have asymmetry in the force between the axes and affects several people.
Does yours have the same problem? In my case moving to the left requires more force than moving to the right and the same happens in the pitch axis.
It depends on how much preload you have applied.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Yes, I notice it specially when using medium or hard springs. Does it happen to you aswell then? I've contacted with virpil support and they are sending me new cams in a month as there are many people with the same problem (check the support foum)
I am interested with not recommended version of WarBRD with extensions (200mm) with warthog grip. Warthog grip is heavy,I wonder if springs are strong enough. Also i dont now whst are the mounting options. Is it possible to moun in the center on something that works with warthog base
I use it with a 200mm gooseneck extension sold by Virpil. The stock springs have just enough strength to lift the Warthog back to center. I bought the extra strong springs but never put them on, I like the light feel. I use a custom PVC VR cockpit to mount it about a foot off the ground in front of my chair and it has a very realistic range of motion.
@@Specter0420 thanks
Went with CM2s specifically for extensions. Dual Alphas’ finally arriving Monday!
Did you get them?
MOD4SA Yessir. Preordered day 1.
@@bobbyocho now tell the truth was it worth the pain and mental torture waiting? I am just waiting for release. I already have everything else. NBS
MOD4SA I’d say it is. Watch Noob’s & Snakeater’s reviews for details but possibly the best grips out there right now.
@@bobbyocho Oh I have and that is why I am waiting.
Just wish i could order sticks, they never have stock, even when they email me to say new stock in.
What mounting bracket is that from the base to the 8020...at the very end of the video. Thanks.
It is part of a Monstertech Sim Rig. Ask if you have more questions please
TheNOOBIFIER1337 thanks. I’m getting the Trak Racer TR160 for driving and flying and I’m trying to work out how to mount the CM2 onto it. I was going to get the warbrd but I want options in case I changed my setup later. Has to be side mounted. Do you have a discord channel?
Steven Marshall
I do, but it’s mainly for Patreon backers. You are more than welcome to contact me through an email if you like. It would be more reliable than talking here
What sort of issues would I encounter if I used the CM2 without an extension and mounted with a Monstertech short mount?
None, it is just designed to be able to deliver much more torque. You can dial it back and use it. If you are looking for a very light feeling, you should use WarBRD gimbals
@@NOOBIFIER1337 how light or heavy is the CM2 in comparison to the WarBRD gimbal?
It sounds like the CM2 is useable and probably a better choice as it'll save money in the long run when I finally have space to shift flight sim equipment to a dedicated mounting unit.
Ignore the previous question, I've watched the video again, particularly around your discussion of the helicopter setup.
I'll go for the WarBRD for my main setup and get the stronger springs to use the TM Warthog sticks.
Cheers!
Is the plate removable on the warbrd?
Yes, 4 bolts
I have notice that you and some other youtubers did well got hands on constellation alpha. That is part that I don't understand. How you got something that is always tagged as "coming soon " and yes I regulary check they website and I have not notice once that constellation alpha is at sale. Please help.
He said in the review they sent them to him.
@@dddude55 Ok, I overhear that. Did not want to offend anyone, my apologies if anyone felt offended. I'm getting frustrated with Virpil incompetence. I have CM2 base and CM2 throttle in march this year. Can not order constellation alpha. Every time that they announce restock "alpha" was not there, "coming soon" ... I just hope that you understand me.
They sell out in minutes... there have been restock sales every two weeks for the past three months. You have to be quick
i dont understand who is hard who is medium and light and how to install ?
Search for Virpil Cam Noobifier
Just watched your video. What are you using to floor mount the cm2 base?
Pretty much everything is made by Monstertech. There is a promo code in the description and numerous videos on this channel.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I watched another video of your and figured it out. Ty for responding.
I very important decision indeed
whats the collective you use on the sim rig?
Looks like a Komodo Simulations.
Did you make the aluminum profile cockpit yourself?
No, it is Monstertech MTX
Hey! Im interested in the WarBRD base. It does have z axis "twist" right for rudder use? And will the twist work as well if i use the Wartog grip instead of a virpil one? Do you have any insight if a Thrustmaster Wartog grip works well with it? Thanks for a great video!
Hello, I can help. The twist on virpil is built into the GRIP not the base so the TMWH grip would still lack Z. Hope that helps.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Oh darn it.. Well that sucks.. But thanks alot for answering! A dealbreaker for me is a z-axis, so im guessing i will need a Virpil grip then. The VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip has z axis right? :)
@@tj0cktj0ck The Alpha, Delta, Warbird Grip and the VFX Grip have Z...
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ok, thanks alot! Will check some reviews and pick one of those then :)
Any regrets buying the Virpil warbird vs the mongoose?
So, I have both, and use them for different reasons. Let me know what you plan to do
@@NOOBIFIER1337 msfs , Dcs and space sims. I ordered the war bird but have a racing rig with a flight sim package.
Edit: I found this video after my purchase
Ya, "If you can get them" is right. I fail to see how a company with such a popular product line has not yet ramped up their production to meet the demand. Been trying to get a full HOTAS with pedals from Virpil ever since you debuted their products on your RUclips show. More availability is needed or they need to start taking pre-orders as I literally cannot get to them fast enough to buy before they are sold out which tells me their restock emails are completely pointless. In the time it takes me to receive the email after which I immediately go to their web site they are SOLD OUT. Aggravating to say the least as this has been going on ever since I heard about them.
The answer is sustainability. If they were to massively expand to meet production then they would go bankrupt when the bubble burst. Most customers will buy from them once and then never again. If they ramp up production too high then they will kill demand for their products whilst having the costs of running an over-sized factory. They are being very responsible with how they are running their company.
@@rastas3742 If you are not meeting your customers needs by any stretch of the imagination you lose customers period. Customers do not care about bubbles or any of the other meaningless banter you are suggesting as any kind of excuse for not providing some level of service that the customer finds useful. In this particular instance, the customer is always right most certainly applies unless of course you are going to now suggest that the customer isn't right in which case the customer then gives crap reviews of a company which for all intents and purposes has utterly failed in meeting their most basic customer service demands.
Am I able to get rid of that base plate of the WarBRD?
Yes, it just unbolt.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thx. I placed my order :)
well, I'm still waiting on the Alphas to be available here in the US before I decide on a base...
is the cm2 strong enough to support the weight of the alpha if mounted horizontal
By support I assume you mean find and hold 0 center.
I can say that the stock Warbird can do this with a Delta on it. So I would assume also the CM2 can since it can be adjusted to be stiffer if needed.
Interesting setup idea you have there. Think it might be fairly comfortable for old shoulders.
@@festersmith8352 i already use it with a 1600th on left hand its great for shoulders and is out of way of desk
@@TheCrash1983 I am guessing than you have it mounted to the chair?!?
If so, don't snag the cord with your foot. Done it myself a few times.
@@festersmith8352 it has two screws holes on the bottom using some c clamp brackets and IKEA bolts i got it to fix on to my mosterteck mount for thorttle really neat and tidy
They both have my thrustmasters beat!
WarBRD for me, meets my needs, love the quality and feel.
Do any of this have twist feature?
Twist is in the grip
I really want a set but always out of stock
i chose both
What helicopter collective was that in the video?
Got it on eBay. I forget. It was like $500
That is Komodo Simulation's EC135/145
komodosimulations.co.uk/collections/collective/products/135-collective
Holy f_uc- He wants $1890 CDN after tax and shipping... lol.
One day!
Thanks noob warbrds have been dispatched just waiting on the alphas going on sale and that's me sorted.