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I don't understand why the justice system seems to well maybe not the justice system but the patent laws allow this crop to happen. This is why Nintendo waited so long to bring this to the court It's because they were busy making patents so they could take Powell to court. Why hasn't anyone ever brought up the point if you look at the dates of those patents. Three of those patents are dates within the year that tower came out. So basically this is why Nintendo took so long to bring this to court was because they were more busy in buying patents so they could go to court. And this is why I don't understand why people are so up Nintendo's ass. I've never seen a company that's so screws over it's fan base we've been asking for Twilight princess now for a long while to be on the switch yet there are people with mods that can do it and do it much better. And they're going after them if they don't want to do anything with it why can't someone else that can do a better.
Like I said if I was the judge in this case I'd be asking Nintendo why are three of your patents. Have been required within the first six to eight months of this game coming out.. as a judge to me would bring up some pretty big red flags. So the way it's saying within these patents that no one can have a game where you can throw an object so what about throwing a grenade in a first-person shooter game. Cuz that is throwing around object. It just sounds stupid and overreaching. And the courts need to go after these patents that are ridiculous.
I’ve worked in Trademarks/Patents/Copyrights for about 5yrs, I’m not sure about Japanese Patent laws, but these patents were applied for and Granted AFTER Palworld. “Usually” or “more likely than not” The US courts would side with the defendants(Palworld). It is a scummy practice to patent already existing features/products then enforce them on those already selling the product or feature.
These three are, as I understood based on what was told, child patents derived from the older foster patent from 2021. But it is still scummy that the child patents are derived after Palworld was released, specifically for this one case, that Nintendo has done this several times before and that some mechanics such as the mounting system for riding have been patented retroactively. Some Japanese patent and legal expert, from whose interview I read about this, called these killer patents and this as mafia tactics.
@@danielmalinen6337 yep, although even if they are child patents, it's not the parent patent being brought up in court, so that argument holds no water. Already seen too many using that as an end all be all argument.
@@IdeasOfTheOpposite us patent law also has a time limit. The games were published in 1997 in the US. This mechanic would have already lapsed under US patent law.
@@LordStrell The patens that is about have not reached the time limit as the patent are related only to the Legends sub-series of Pokémon and was granted in 2021.
@ Innovations and iterations of a previously existing system have to prove said innovations are unprecedented. Which those mechanics aren’t. They have been in existence in other games and industries. Another thing the company has to prove is enough specificity to avoid it being too broad. Ideas are extremely difficult to be granted a patent as it’s rarely granted especially in industries like video games where entire design philosophies are used across the industry.
It's not just about small fee. It's also about paying for late damage which could mean ALL THE MONEY Pocketpair earned with Palworld, plus injunction - a complete removal of the game from everywhere. Permanently. So it's literally a matter of life and death for Pocketpair now.
I've always said that Nintendo is pro-Nintendo and anti-gaming. And they have never let a year go by where they didn't do something to reconfirm my stance about them. 🤦🏾♂️
I’m on Team Palworld. Nintendo hasn’t made a good Pokemon game in ages. Nintendo is simply a bully. Otherwise, they would try to go after Activision-Blizzard for mounts in World of Warcraft, or Astrobot - but Nintendo won’t pursue them because those companies have money.
That’s the exact reason they won’t go after Apple for allowing people to play Nintendo games on their phones with Delta, because Apple has fuck you money and would bury Nintendo if they even thought about suing them 😂
Nintendo doesn't make pokemon. They don't even *own* pokemon. The pokemon company is a 1/3 split between nintendo, game freak and creatures inc. it's actually a lot more complicated than you think it is.
I guess my question is, unless I’m missing something because I’m not sure how it works, but how can they file a lawsuit for patent infringement on the game if the patents weren’t submitted and approved until AFTER the game (Palworld) came out
My guess is they wouldn't sue based on patents, they'd sue for infringement on intellectual property. If they sue based on patents, they lose, simple as.
@@wllmlew They'd lose in our jurisdiction* I guess. It depends who's rules they're using. Things are different over there. If they use our rules, they will lose, patents don't work that way for us.
@@wllmlew Nah they've lost multiple times. Whoever says that is gaslighting you into thinking Nintendo is terrifying. They've lost like monkeys numerous times: They lost against iLife Technologies in 2012, who sued them, Nintendo had to pay $12 million dollars in damages. They lost against Philips in 2017, who sued them, they paid an undisclosed amount which I'm going to assume was very bad for Nintendo. They lost against IGT in 2019, who sued them, and the case was settled out of court, again, paying an undisclosed amount. They lost a lot more than this. In the case of them suing others though: They lost against Blockbuster in 1994, it was a massive loss for them considering they didn't have the control they wanted, they were super strict even back then. They lost against Demeza in 2010, paying a large amount of money in damages, though I can't recall how much exactly, it was financially significant. They lost against HTC somewhere in the 2010s, over a patent involving motion sensing technology in their games being used for phones. Still don't know if there was any payment for damages, I just didn't care much about this case, it was too much brainrot for me to sit through. Nintendo have repeatedly embarrassed themselves but somehow it's not public knowledge. People are fearmongering all over the place thinking Nintendo is going to dismantle PP brick by brick, but I'm not overly worried about PP's chances.
I think if Nintendo wins this it will hurt their market and business ... people are already tired of the over use or IP and remakes. 122 Pokemon games, 29 Zelda games, 200 Mario games ... where are the new games???
u say that but they still sell like hotcakes so ur argument has no merits. not to mention zelda breath of the wild and mario Odyssey actually moved the genre forward. soo much soo they won awards. there is a reason why a lot of indies copy Nintendo games, its fun and innovative....how many kart clones, mario clones, zelda clones, smash clones, hell someone did a walmart splatoon... like come on. how many devs made it big off of another devs work. look at valve..took tf2, took counter strike, soo many half life clones. left 4 dead clones. blizzard got overwatch clones which was a hero shooter of tf2. i get why businesses might want to protect their shit cuz when its that egregious, u have to do something otherwise someone is gonna step further out of line.
Each Zelda and Mario games are completely different from each other. In every game they reinvent the wheel. On top of that whenever new entry comes from games, entire video game industry including indies copy ideas from these games. Also Last 3d mario game came on 2017. Almost 8 years ago. There is 6 years between totk, and botw. I don't know about pokemon. I don't play it. It is broken mess.
@@hododod246 some yes and some no but tell that to kids who see it as the same thing over and over. You take most of the games to the core and its essentially the same. Again, we love the games but there is a thing called Franchise Fatigue so no matter how you "change" or "reinvent" the wheel people will get tired of it. The very latest Zelda game The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom, my kids absolutely disliked and said it reminded them of something you'd play on the WII but they loved Tears of the Kingdom. My son or daughter have their friends over and I hear them talk about what they want to play, hearing them talk about Nintendo games is kind of disheartening. If Nintendo can't hold next generation their is an issue. Could partly be covid lock down is over but the revenue is consistently trending to less income for past 4 years and prior to covid wasn't all that great. I hope they figure it out but this route of filing patents after the fact and going after anyone that dare tread in their domain isn't going to go well for them.
The thing I don’t get is it not like Palworld is the first Pokemon like game. Cassette beasts is a recent example that has a lot in common with Pokemon. Only difference is you don’t throw something at the monsters, but you still ware them down to increase the chances that you’ll capture them
Any new mechanics added to the next Pokémon game will likely come from any《《 of the already many companies sued by them. Just watch. Look closely at the games that cease to exist after Nintendo vs so,so and when a new game resembles what ceased will be released and ate up.... as always
Patent 1 and 2 are bs, throwing objects to battle doesn't happen in palworld, and while throwing a ball at a pal is near, it is not near enough to even legitimately be considered infringement. Nintendo has a trick up the sleeve to call even the slightest closeness (infringement). I'm with pocketpair on this, I've loved this game since it came out on gamepass,, even though the bases are limited to 3 ugh personally the game is similar to a sandbox to build and chill. Can't do that with Pokémon. Patent 1 says throwing an object at a creature in open world to trigger combat. Wrong. I mean you could but running into them purposely smacking them with anything in the hand initiates an instantaneous chase/follow scenario not necessarily combat or battle. Patent 2 states: capturing creatures in the wild vs battle. There are over 100 games across multiple platforms that have that exact mechanism within the algorithm for their games and only because pocketpair is in Tokyo is Nintendo pursuing this. Patent 3 states: riding and switching creature transport in open world. In palworld, riding and switching is more a rpg tactic in gameplay but can also be utilized as a sandbox ploy. Riding pals by unlocking, crafting and placing the saddles on the certain pals allows you to ride them. Capturing that certain pal will unlock the saddle for crafting but that doesn't necessarily mean that the patent was infringed upon. Petty. Over 8 thousand emulators and sites were shutdown that are owned by Nintendo as of now with websites that are non functional, would be more of an infringement than what is argued here. I hope pocketpair continues to update and make this game enjoyable, even while Nintendo throws a hissyfit about creativity not currently being their strongsuit and continues to throw fast pitches at the game industry to bring the rest of us who actually play more than jewel quest on a phone screen. #palworld 😊
This is Japan law. We don't know what their intricacies are. Here in the US, you cannot patent physics, which is what this sounds like. Here we can patent art. That would have to be their approach. The 5 million yen could just be the filing fee Nintendo wants to be compensated for while the late payment damages is the biggie.
I really wish people would stop sucking the Nintendo teet and would boycott them for BS like this. Nintendo is the worst company in gaming and the most detrimental to innovation across the industry. Even worse than Sony or any other publisher. But they make good games so people let them slide and it's horseshit
I've played Pokemon games since Red and Blue on Gameboy and I Like Pokemon, but their Games Suck on the Switch. I'm 39 and I'm an older fan of Pokemon, their games Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet have been very both Sucked, my Nephew hated it...Both Games Were Awful Looking,Very Laggy, Full of Bugs, and They Charged More For Patches That Barely Fixed Anything...
Blatant in using basic Game Mechanics, that no one should hold a monopoly on. I know you want to say they were blatantly copying art and designs, but that's not the case being made, so stop making it.
Bro no... TemTem is blatant. This is not. Just because you collect creatures does not make this even close to similar as Pokemon. Why not go after the game that is literally a a pokemon reskin.
I think its funny that you think pokemon was the first game to do what pokemon does lol. I see you on alot of comments with the nintendo stick in your mouth. there have been monster tamers well before pokemon. and capture mechanics before pokemon. supporting the company that continuously attempts to hold the gaming sphere back and also supporting the company that can't do a better pokemon game then a small indie team is moronic enough. but supporting them while knowing nothing about what you're talking about is worse lol
@michaelanderson9947 I think it's funny that in 2024 you still can't read simple English. Nowhere have I ever said I support either side in the lawsuit. What I have said, and you can get someone to read it to you as I really can't be bothered to teach 5 year olds better reading comprehension, is that if Nintendo legally applied for a patent and was granted it then the issue cannot logically be against Nintendo but with the system that granted the patent. If you are going to sweat me like some back street, under the trainstation, crackhead whore then at least know and present some facts. Oh, and get somebody to read this to you also. I tried using simple wording but I may have failed to reach down to your level. My apologies for that.
Let’s be 100% real with ourselves, the game clearly ripped off Pokémon characters. Like we can’t honestly be trying to defend the developers just because they sell themselves as a “scrappy startup”? If EA or Ubisoft did this we wouldn’t be defending their ‘creativity’.
@ the point of the lawsuit is to make sure no similar type games are made, correct? If they weren’t using Pokémon clones do you think Nintendo would care? If Nintendo wins, they would have control of the genre.
@@PrinceOfHavendale yes, but you can't use terms like "ripped off Pokémon Characters" cause that's literally immaterial to the case. What Nintendo is suing over, is basic game mechanics and trying to get the courts to enforce an illegitimate monopoly. And even more importantly, if it was about protecting patents, they would be going after every game that is even remotely similar, but nope, they only went after Pocket Pair, likely because they were successful and made money.
@@PrinceOfHavendale I agree if those monsters looked nothing like Pokemon, the 'Mechanics violation' might have been ignored by Nintendo completely. Palworld would have flew under the radar. The game would not be popular either, just another indie game. It was only popular because it looked like Pokemon. Nothing else.
@@QuantumNova in that case then this shouldn’t be a lawsuit at all. It’s not about similar characters but mechanics (that Nintendo didn’t invent by the way)
I also want more companies to make more pokemon like games and compete with Nintendo. Pokemon franchise became too lazy. But I don't like Pocket Pair. I don't want companies like them in gaming space. CEO of Pocket Pair himself admitted. He thinks creating something new is difficult and they want to avoid creating something new. All they do steal from other games and create this meme game to make quick bucks. That's it. They are even lazier than Pokemon Company. Also you don't compete with Pokemon Company by doing pokemon like game. You compete with them by creating your own original idea.
@@hododod246 creating something new IS difficult and is EXACTLY why you see so many remakes and remasters these days. They come with built in fan bases and are usually safe investments. PP CEO said the same thing companies have been SHOWING for some time now. Games are too expensive these days and risks on new or original IP are harder to make. PP CEO isn't wrong in what he said and, as a smaller studio their tactics are pretty smart and safe. Nothing wrong with that.
@@maizeman90 I just don't understand all of the pushback for remakes and remasters. Sure remasters like Horizon are pointless but lots of gamers did not even exist when older games are released. Or people did not have they system. Lot's of these games does not hold up. So remakes and remasters are opportunity to play these games. I am quite excited for soul reavers remasters since I did not play these games when they came out. The reason why there are lot's of remakes compared to past is not lack of creativity. The reason is that there are lots of old games to remaster and remake. As for the pocket pair ceo, he is type of the ceo who gamers hate the most. He is a crypto bro. He is kind of a guy who would make NFT games to make more money. He specifically told his designers to copy pokemon designs. He wanted to have Pokemon likeness. He knew what he was doing. So his speech about "ohh we want to protect creativity of indie studios" is just a lie.
@hododod246 I didn't say there was anything wrong with remakes and remasters (well, there is issues with it in the case of Sony who are remaking and remastering games that don't need it). But both PlayStation and Xbox can play games going back to their original generations. So if a company wants to sell an old title they can do so by just relisting the game (PS3 era being an outlier, but that's Sony's own fault). We don't really need the remasters and remakes to play the old games. The "some games don't age well" isn't really an argument either.
Nintendo is not being original with their works either , every game you play use something that other game before did it but give it own twist . Pokemon use turn-base mechanic that already present in other game . Should Doom creator sue Call of Duty and Battlefield for stealing theirs FPS mechanic ?
"I wish we weren't able to lock things down" So the MSFT fanboy wants MSFT to not have any software patents? I call BS. Also, innovation? You seriously think Nintendo hasn't been innovative in the past 5 years. You're delusional.
@@TheBean87 Yeah, but why copy someone else? That's being a jerk. They need to be sued and shutdown. Marvel and DC 'copy' each other all the time and they at least attempt to make their characters VERY different. PalWorld didn't try at all. They put a Gengar smile on an Electro-buzz and called it a day.
Well loads a pokemon mosters look similar in otger games so hope they countee sue. Thwn in wow etc their has been petbattles when nintendo copy its fine, but if people cooy them its wrong
Nah it should be the other way around, sure it looks like Palworld took bits from Pokemon (similar style of the Pals being compared to certain Pokemon, as well as the catching mechanism that Pokemon uses), but let’s not forget that there’s the fact that games like Pokémon Legends Arceus and Legends of Zelda Breath of the Wild are doing the exact same thing by taking bits from other games too just like Palworld is with Pokemon. However in all honesty nobody is jumping Nintendo for doing this type of thing like they are with PocketPair over Palworld with the whole “Palworld took this, Palworld took that” when they should also be saying “Pokemon took this, Pokemon took that” so altogether Nintendo aren’t really the victims in this case either, both Nintendo and PocketPair has taken bits and pieces from other games to make their games that we all love and enjoy playing, but if anything Palworld is more like Ark Survival but with bits of Fortnite and Minecraft within the game. So what I’m actually saying is that PocketPair needs to win this lawsuit, to pretty much show that innovation and parody exists for a reason an that Nintendo needs to stop acting all high and mighty an acting like it should stop existing. #PocketPairNeedsToWin #NintendoNeedsToLose #InnovationAndParodyExistsForAReason
i mean lets be real everyone and their mom knew Nintendo was gonna sue palworld. like it was soo blatant how much they basically copied pokemon. u can show someone capturing a pal and the pals themselves and anyone on tbe street would be like..."that pokemon?". its not like digimon or yokai watch. they even took the freaking pokeballs and capture mechanics. like they didnt even try to be different. let alone the super close pokemon designs and color scheme. its like they were asking for Nintendo to sue them.
Companies should not be able to own the rights to game mechanics. It's stifling to competition. Doesn't matter if it "looks" like Pokemon. Anyone that plays the game knows it's nothing like it beyond capture mechanic (which only one Pokemon game has capture mechanics remotely similar to Palworld). The monster designs are irrelevant because Nintendo isn't approaching that topic in their lawsuit. The capture mechanics involved weren't even patented until AFTER Palworld was announced
@@maizeman90 yep, already had to make this point to another comment and I know we'll see more people make it. There are two very different standards and rules, between patents and copyright, which seems lost on too many people.
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I don't understand why the justice system seems to well maybe not the justice system but the patent laws allow this crop to happen. This is why Nintendo waited so long to bring this to the court It's because they were busy making patents so they could take Powell to court. Why hasn't anyone ever brought up the point if you look at the dates of those patents. Three of those patents are dates within the year that tower came out. So basically this is why Nintendo took so long to bring this to court was because they were more busy in buying patents so they could go to court. And this is why I don't understand why people are so up Nintendo's ass. I've never seen a company that's so screws over it's fan base we've been asking for Twilight princess now for a long while to be on the switch yet there are people with mods that can do it and do it much better. And they're going after them if they don't want to do anything with it why can't someone else that can do a better.
Like I said if I was the judge in this case I'd be asking Nintendo why are three of your patents. Have been required within the first six to eight months of this game coming out.. as a judge to me would bring up some pretty big red flags. So the way it's saying within these patents that no one can have a game where you can throw an object so what about throwing a grenade in a first-person shooter game. Cuz that is throwing around object. It just sounds stupid and overreaching. And the courts need to go after these patents that are ridiculous.
I’ve worked in Trademarks/Patents/Copyrights for about 5yrs, I’m not sure about Japanese Patent laws, but these patents were applied for and Granted AFTER Palworld. “Usually” or “more likely than not” The US courts would side with the defendants(Palworld). It is a scummy practice to patent already existing features/products then enforce them on those already selling the product or feature.
These three are, as I understood based on what was told, child patents derived from the older foster patent from 2021. But it is still scummy that the child patents are derived after Palworld was released, specifically for this one case, that Nintendo has done this several times before and that some mechanics such as the mounting system for riding have been patented retroactively. Some Japanese patent and legal expert, from whose interview I read about this, called these killer patents and this as mafia tactics.
@@danielmalinen6337 yep, although even if they are child patents, it's not the parent patent being brought up in court, so that argument holds no water. Already seen too many using that as an end all be all argument.
@@IdeasOfTheOpposite us patent law also has a time limit. The games were published in 1997 in the US. This mechanic would have already lapsed under US patent law.
@@LordStrell The patens that is about have not reached the time limit as the patent are related only to the Legends sub-series of Pokémon and was granted in 2021.
@ Innovations and iterations of a previously existing system have to prove said innovations are unprecedented. Which those mechanics aren’t. They have been in existence in other games and industries.
Another thing the company has to prove is enough specificity to avoid it being too broad. Ideas are extremely difficult to be granted a patent as it’s rarely granted especially in industries like video games where entire design philosophies are used across the industry.
It's not just about small fee. It's also about paying for late damage which could mean ALL THE MONEY Pocketpair earned with Palworld, plus injunction - a complete removal of the game from everywhere. Permanently.
So it's literally a matter of life and death for Pocketpair now.
I've always said that Nintendo is pro-Nintendo and anti-gaming. And they have never let a year go by where they didn't do something to reconfirm my stance about them. 🤦🏾♂️
I hope and pray that Nintendo will lose. There's no freaking way they think that they own a freaking game system that anyone can use for our games.
I’m on Team Palworld. Nintendo hasn’t made a good Pokemon game in ages.
Nintendo is simply a bully. Otherwise, they would try to go after Activision-Blizzard for mounts in World of Warcraft, or Astrobot - but Nintendo won’t pursue them because those companies have money.
That’s the exact reason they won’t go after Apple for allowing people to play Nintendo games on their phones with Delta, because Apple has fuck you money and would bury Nintendo if they even thought about suing them 😂
Digimon and other monster franchises are supporting Palworld to ensure the safety of the monster taming genre as well as the future of gaming.
Nintendo doesn't make pokemon. They don't even *own* pokemon. The pokemon company is a 1/3 split between nintendo, game freak and creatures inc. it's actually a lot more complicated than you think it is.
I guess my question is, unless I’m missing something because I’m not sure how it works, but how can they file a lawsuit for patent infringement on the game if the patents weren’t submitted and approved until AFTER the game (Palworld) came out
My guess is they wouldn't sue based on patents, they'd sue for infringement on intellectual property. If they sue based on patents, they lose, simple as.
@@SaltyNard except they are suing for patent infringement. at least that's what the articles i've been reading say.
@@wllmlew They'd lose in our jurisdiction* I guess. It depends who's rules they're using. Things are different over there. If they use our rules, they will lose, patents don't work that way for us.
@ unfortunately it’s also Nintendo. They are experts in this. I’ve read that they have never lost a case that they have filed before.
@@wllmlew Nah they've lost multiple times. Whoever says that is gaslighting you into thinking Nintendo is terrifying. They've lost like monkeys numerous times:
They lost against iLife Technologies in 2012, who sued them, Nintendo had to pay $12 million dollars in damages.
They lost against Philips in 2017, who sued them, they paid an undisclosed amount which I'm going to assume was very bad for Nintendo.
They lost against IGT in 2019, who sued them, and the case was settled out of court, again, paying an undisclosed amount.
They lost a lot more than this. In the case of them suing others though:
They lost against Blockbuster in 1994, it was a massive loss for them considering they didn't have the control they wanted, they were super strict even back then.
They lost against Demeza in 2010, paying a large amount of money in damages, though I can't recall how much exactly, it was financially significant.
They lost against HTC somewhere in the 2010s, over a patent involving motion sensing technology in their games being used for phones. Still don't know if there was any payment for damages, I just didn't care much about this case, it was too much brainrot for me to sit through.
Nintendo have repeatedly embarrassed themselves but somehow it's not public knowledge. People are fearmongering all over the place thinking Nintendo is going to dismantle PP brick by brick, but I'm not overly worried about PP's chances.
I prefer Nintendo out of the 3 consoles but sometimes I really really hate them 😐
Why every fan project has been better than whatever they put out and still get shutdown nothing special about Nintendo nothing
Wondering if this means we get a pokemon like "extraction" genre... That would seem something worth seeing.
why ain't sue PlayStation on Astro bot sure that's simpler as Mario games
I think that’s coming next
People complain that they basically copied Wii's mechanics as well. Technically they do, but don't if you know what it does different.....
Sadly Nintendo didn't patent 'jumping'
@@_sparrowhawk that’s not what they copied, level design, boss battles, backgrounds. It’s a blatant rip off
Because Nintendo doesn’t go after companies with a fuck ton of money, they’re pussies
Destin why the hell would any of this happen in the us when it’s 3 Japanese company’s lol like duh it would happen in Tokyo
I think if Nintendo wins this it will hurt their market and business ... people are already tired of the over use or IP and remakes. 122 Pokemon games, 29 Zelda games, 200 Mario games ... where are the new games???
u say that but they still sell like hotcakes so ur argument has no merits. not to mention zelda breath of the wild and mario Odyssey actually moved the genre forward. soo much soo they won awards. there is a reason why a lot of indies copy Nintendo games, its fun and innovative....how many kart clones, mario clones, zelda clones, smash clones, hell someone did a walmart splatoon... like come on. how many devs made it big off of another devs work. look at valve..took tf2, took counter strike, soo many half life clones. left 4 dead clones. blizzard got overwatch clones which was a hero shooter of tf2. i get why businesses might want to protect their shit cuz when its that egregious, u have to do something otherwise someone is gonna step further out of line.
Each Zelda and Mario games are completely different from each other. In every game they reinvent the wheel. On top of that whenever new entry comes from games, entire video game industry including indies copy ideas from these games. Also Last 3d mario game came on 2017. Almost 8 years ago. There is 6 years between totk, and botw. I don't know about pokemon. I don't play it. It is broken mess.
@@hododod246 some yes and some no but tell that to kids who see it as the same thing over and over. You take most of the games to the core and its essentially the same. Again, we love the games but there is a thing called Franchise Fatigue so no matter how you "change" or "reinvent" the wheel people will get tired of it.
The very latest Zelda game The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom, my kids absolutely disliked and said it reminded them of something you'd play on the WII but they loved Tears of the Kingdom.
My son or daughter have their friends over and I hear them talk about what they want to play, hearing them talk about Nintendo games is kind of disheartening. If Nintendo can't hold next generation their is an issue.
Could partly be covid lock down is over but the revenue is consistently trending to less income for past 4 years and prior to covid wasn't all that great. I hope they figure it out but this route of filing patents after the fact and going after anyone that dare tread in their domain isn't going to go well for them.
I will Stop buying anything Pokémon Related and i have started to sell what i own.
The switch is the second highest selling console ever I don’t think that’s true at all
The thing I don’t get is it not like Palworld is the first Pokemon like game. Cassette beasts is a recent example that has a lot in common with Pokemon. Only difference is you don’t throw something at the monsters, but you still ware them down to increase the chances that you’ll capture them
It’s because Palworld was a massive success, Nintendo wants their money.
@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT They want 66k usk and an interjection.... honestly it doesn't seem like they're gouging out pocketpair here.
I wonder who Nintendo will be “inspired” by when they try and make Pokemon good again.
I Wont be buying it If it has the Nintendo Name on it.
What makes you think they're gonna try and put effort into it, that's clearly not their way of making games 😂😂😂
Any new mechanics added to the next Pokémon game will likely come from any《《 of the already many companies sued by them. Just watch. Look closely at the games that cease to exist after Nintendo vs so,so and when a new game resembles what ceased will be released and ate up.... as always
It’s hard for me to believe you think competition will make companies do better when you hold a high position at IGN…I give that take a 7/10
How many games copied other games and were a success and no one cared?
This is stupid.
Patent 1 and 2 are bs, throwing objects to battle doesn't happen in palworld, and while throwing a ball at a pal is near, it is not near enough to even legitimately be considered infringement. Nintendo has a trick up the sleeve to call even the slightest closeness (infringement).
I'm with pocketpair on this, I've loved this game since it came out on gamepass,, even though the bases are limited to 3 ugh personally the game is similar to a sandbox to build and chill.
Can't do that with Pokémon.
Patent 1 says throwing an object at a creature in open world to trigger combat.
Wrong. I mean you could but running into them purposely smacking them with anything in the hand initiates an instantaneous chase/follow scenario not necessarily combat or battle.
Patent 2 states: capturing creatures in the wild vs battle.
There are over 100 games across multiple platforms that have that exact mechanism within the algorithm for their games and only because pocketpair is in Tokyo is Nintendo pursuing this.
Patent 3 states: riding and switching creature transport in open world.
In palworld, riding and switching is more a rpg tactic in gameplay but can also be utilized as a sandbox ploy.
Riding pals by unlocking, crafting and placing the saddles on the certain pals allows you to ride them.
Capturing that certain pal will unlock the saddle for crafting but that doesn't necessarily mean that the patent was infringed upon.
Petty. Over 8 thousand emulators and sites were shutdown that are owned by Nintendo as of now with websites that are non functional, would be more of an infringement than what is argued here.
I hope pocketpair continues to update and make this game enjoyable, even while Nintendo throws a hissyfit about creativity not currently being their strongsuit and continues to throw fast pitches at the game industry to bring the rest of us who actually play more than jewel quest on a phone screen.
#palworld 😊
Why does Nintendo Even Care, Palworld is All The Older Gamers and Fans That They Don't Listen To Of Care About Any More...
Let them sue it'll be they're down fall
This is Japan law. We don't know what their intricacies are. Here in the US, you cannot patent physics, which is what this sounds like. Here we can patent art. That would have to be their approach. The 5 million yen could just be the filing fee Nintendo wants to be compensated for while the late payment damages is the biggie.
I've heard Nintendo is pretected in japan, Sony is there too
@@moister3727 then wouldn't you think Pocket Pair who is also in Japan would be smarter about this?
@@0x8badbeef Yeah, they should've known better. Messing with Nintendo is not fun, there is nothing to win out of that
I really wish people would stop sucking the Nintendo teet and would boycott them for BS like this. Nintendo is the worst company in gaming and the most detrimental to innovation across the industry. Even worse than Sony or any other publisher. But they make good games so people let them slide and it's horseshit
Worser Microsoft and Sony?
@Ghostlynotme445 that's what I said
@@Ghostlynotme445 and @maizeman90 came here to ask the same thing lol.
Meanwhile you’re probably still playing some game ran by 10cent and will just ignore their monumental over-reach
"Nintendo is the worst and detrimental to the industry but they make good games". 😂😂😂
I just spit out my milk.
I've played Pokemon games since Red and Blue on Gameboy and I Like Pokemon, but their Games Suck on the Switch. I'm 39 and I'm an older fan of Pokemon, their games Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet have been very both Sucked, my Nephew hated it...Both Games Were Awful Looking,Very Laggy, Full of Bugs, and They Charged More For Patches That Barely Fixed Anything...
Problem is pal world was too blatant that it's given Nintendo a chance of winning setting a precedent
Blatant in using basic Game Mechanics, that no one should hold a monopoly on. I know you want to say they were blatantly copying art and designs, but that's not the case being made, so stop making it.
Bro no... TemTem is blatant. This is not. Just because you collect creatures does not make this even close to similar as Pokemon. Why not go after the game that is literally a a pokemon reskin.
I think it's funny that everyone is saying they didn't copy Pokemon but the only reason anyone tried it was because they copied Pokemon. 😅😅😅
I think its funny that you think pokemon was the first game to do what pokemon does lol. I see you on alot of comments with the nintendo stick in your mouth. there have been monster tamers well before pokemon. and capture mechanics before pokemon. supporting the company that continuously attempts to hold the gaming sphere back and also supporting the company that can't do a better pokemon game then a small indie team is moronic enough. but supporting them while knowing nothing about what you're talking about is worse lol
@michaelanderson9947 I think it's funny that in 2024 you still can't read simple English. Nowhere have I ever said I support either side in the lawsuit. What I have said, and you can get someone to read it to you as I really can't be bothered to teach 5 year olds better reading comprehension, is that if Nintendo legally applied for a patent and was granted it then the issue cannot logically be against Nintendo but with the system that granted the patent.
If you are going to sweat me like some back street, under the trainstation, crackhead whore then at least know and present some facts. Oh, and get somebody to read this to you also. I tried using simple wording but I may have failed to reach down to your level. My apologies for that.
I think Nintendo will sue soon the entire world of saying Nintendo!😂
They're not Russia. 😂😂😂
@theredguy4845 apparently Nintendo has a good relationship with Putin!😄
I've started selling my Pokémon Stuff. All money will be going to Sega #FuckPokemon
And.... Sega is suing Bank of Innovation for patent infringment.
Seems like Sega actually does what Nintendo
Team palworld
Let’s be 100% real with ourselves, the game clearly ripped off Pokémon characters. Like we can’t honestly be trying to defend the developers just because they sell themselves as a “scrappy startup”? If EA or Ubisoft did this we wouldn’t be defending their ‘creativity’.
That's literally not what the lawsuit is about, it's about game mechanics, not designs or models...
@ the point of the lawsuit is to make sure no similar type games are made, correct? If they weren’t using Pokémon clones do you think Nintendo would care? If Nintendo wins, they would have control of the genre.
@@PrinceOfHavendale yes, but you can't use terms like "ripped off Pokémon Characters" cause that's literally immaterial to the case. What Nintendo is suing over, is basic game mechanics and trying to get the courts to enforce an illegitimate monopoly. And even more importantly, if it was about protecting patents, they would be going after every game that is even remotely similar, but nope, they only went after Pocket Pair, likely because they were successful and made money.
@@PrinceOfHavendale I agree if those monsters looked nothing like Pokemon, the 'Mechanics violation' might have been ignored by Nintendo completely. Palworld would have flew under the radar. The game would not be popular either, just another indie game. It was only popular because it looked like Pokemon. Nothing else.
@@QuantumNova in that case then this shouldn’t be a lawsuit at all. It’s not about similar characters but mechanics (that Nintendo didn’t invent by the way)
I also want more companies to make more pokemon like games and compete with Nintendo. Pokemon franchise became too lazy. But I don't like Pocket Pair. I don't want companies like them in gaming space. CEO of Pocket Pair himself admitted. He thinks creating something new is difficult and they want to avoid creating something new. All they do steal from other games and create this meme game to make quick bucks. That's it. They are even lazier than Pokemon Company. Also you don't compete with Pokemon Company by doing pokemon like game. You compete with them by creating your own original idea.
@@hododod246 creating something new IS difficult and is EXACTLY why you see so many remakes and remasters these days. They come with built in fan bases and are usually safe investments. PP CEO said the same thing companies have been SHOWING for some time now. Games are too expensive these days and risks on new or original IP are harder to make. PP CEO isn't wrong in what he said and, as a smaller studio their tactics are pretty smart and safe. Nothing wrong with that.
@@maizeman90 I just don't understand all of the pushback for remakes and remasters. Sure remasters like Horizon are pointless but lots of gamers did not even exist when older games are released. Or people did not have they system. Lot's of these games does not hold up. So remakes and remasters are opportunity to play these games. I am quite excited for soul reavers remasters since I did not play these games when they came out. The reason why there are lot's of remakes compared to past is not lack of creativity. The reason is that there are lots of old games to remaster and remake.
As for the pocket pair ceo, he is type of the ceo who gamers hate the most. He is a crypto bro. He is kind of a guy who would make NFT games to make more money. He specifically told his designers to copy pokemon designs. He wanted to have Pokemon likeness. He knew what he was doing. So his speech about "ohh we want to protect creativity of indie studios" is just a lie.
@hododod246 I didn't say there was anything wrong with remakes and remasters (well, there is issues with it in the case of Sony who are remaking and remastering games that don't need it). But both PlayStation and Xbox can play games going back to their original generations. So if a company wants to sell an old title they can do so by just relisting the game (PS3 era being an outlier, but that's Sony's own fault). We don't really need the remasters and remakes to play the old games. The "some games don't age well" isn't really an argument either.
Nintendo is not being original with their works either , every game you play use something that other game before did it but give it own twist . Pokemon use turn-base mechanic that already present in other game . Should Doom creator sue Call of Duty and Battlefield for stealing theirs FPS mechanic ?
"I wish we weren't able to lock things down"
So the MSFT fanboy wants MSFT to not have any software patents? I call BS.
Also, innovation? You seriously think Nintendo hasn't been innovative in the past 5 years. You're delusional.
I’m sorry but what really is happening is Nintendo is being petty because a company made a game the is similar to Pokémon.
@@TheBean87 Yeah, but why copy someone else? That's being a jerk. They need to be sued and shutdown. Marvel and DC 'copy' each other all the time and they at least attempt to make their characters VERY different. PalWorld didn't try at all. They put a Gengar smile on an Electro-buzz and called it a day.
@ dc and marvel characters visually( sometimes ability wise) are almost identical, poor comparison.
@@TheBean87 Gladiator and Superman = same abilities and weakness. Looks nothing alike. You're missing the point.
@@QuantumNova thanos and darkseid look damn near identical, not missing any point
& pokemon stole dragon quest characters
Nintendo has been getting more litigious and threatening in the past few years. I don't like that and would love to see them taken down a few notches.
Well loads a pokemon mosters look similar in otger games so hope they countee sue. Thwn in wow etc their has been petbattles when nintendo copy its fine, but if people cooy them its wrong
Yes get them nintendo lets go
Nah it should be the other way around, sure it looks like Palworld took bits from Pokemon (similar style of the Pals being compared to certain Pokemon, as well as the catching mechanism that Pokemon uses), but let’s not forget that there’s the fact that games like Pokémon Legends Arceus and Legends of Zelda Breath of the Wild are doing the exact same thing by taking bits from other games too just like Palworld is with Pokemon.
However in all honesty nobody is jumping Nintendo for doing this type of thing like they are with PocketPair over Palworld with the whole “Palworld took this, Palworld took that” when they should also be saying “Pokemon took this, Pokemon took that” so altogether Nintendo aren’t really the victims in this case either, both Nintendo and PocketPair has taken bits and pieces from other games to make their games that we all love and enjoy playing, but if anything Palworld is more like Ark Survival but with bits of Fortnite and Minecraft within the game.
So what I’m actually saying is that PocketPair needs to win this lawsuit, to pretty much show that innovation and parody exists for a reason an that Nintendo needs to stop acting all high and mighty an acting like it should stop existing.
#PocketPairNeedsToWin
#NintendoNeedsToLose
#InnovationAndParodyExistsForAReason
i mean lets be real everyone and their mom knew Nintendo was gonna sue palworld. like it was soo blatant how much they basically copied pokemon. u can show someone capturing a pal and the pals themselves and anyone on tbe street would be like..."that pokemon?". its not like digimon or yokai watch. they even took the freaking pokeballs and capture mechanics. like they didnt even try to be different. let alone the super close pokemon designs and color scheme. its like they were asking for Nintendo to sue them.
Companies should not be able to own the rights to game mechanics. It's stifling to competition. Doesn't matter if it "looks" like Pokemon. Anyone that plays the game knows it's nothing like it beyond capture mechanic (which only one Pokemon game has capture mechanics remotely similar to Palworld). The monster designs are irrelevant because Nintendo isn't approaching that topic in their lawsuit. The capture mechanics involved weren't even patented until AFTER Palworld was announced
@@maizeman90 yep, already had to make this point to another comment and I know we'll see more people make it.
There are two very different standards and rules, between patents and copyright, which seems lost on too many people.