Adding a load would allow you to see the amount of extrable energy from the system and see if the heated water is worth the extra energy. While interesting. It is important to validate and quantify the specific variables.
@@davey2k12 hahaha don't make a fool of yourself before watching the load testing. Here we get over a horsepower of pure electrical power at low speed. ruclips.net/video/MkGAKqG2qvU/видео.html
Tesla verified it. The reason it was deemed unusable at the time was because there were no materials that could hold up under the extreme rpm generated. This is an absolute engineering marvel in it’s pure design.
@@iEnergySupply you must try and use ceramic bearings , at high RPM they are more effective against resistance the options are , Magnetic Bearing Gas Bearing Ceramic Bearing Carbon Graphite Bearing or you can try a bearing that is inserted into another bearing , causing even less movement restriction
Excellent! Now how about trying the input to the turbine with a steam ejector using atmospheric air as the secondary fluid. You can get the enthalpy of steam (2676 KJ/Kg) to do a great deal of work!
Yeah, I drew up something a while back running off of the plume that comes out of the stacks at the refineries it is all just steam, but I said a steam jet, because you get a roughly 6 to 1, or 9 to 1 compression ratio. And than you take out the need for a compressor. The only thing I could not figure out is if you should scale it back a little bit the way you get the super sonic boost, not the velocity boost. I think that is what the last part of the process is called, but you cannot increase the size of your pipe afterwards because you are going to lose pressure.
@@iEnergySupply I did not even think of it like that, so you are saying that if you allow your nozzle to pull in atmospheric pressure that it could reach super sonic velocity. Instead of just a velocity boost. That is genius!!
I don't know what pressure you're running, but the reason the water is cold is because the air in contact with it is decompressing. That being said, the adhesion of the water to the turbine surface should drastically increase its efficiency. The spiral formed was also immaculate.
Very Cool! It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison with and without water addition. My first intuition would be adding water would increase the torque but reduce the speed from the mass and viscosity/surface tension of aerosolized water. I'm not yet sold on the heated water adding much usable power to the system but it's easily testable so looking forward to further tests :) Thank you for taking the time to film and share your experimentation.
@@iEnergySupply something to take into account with steam especially, is that it exponentially increases its expansion pressure at higher temps. Gauging the temp up to 750°F/400°C, if your equipment can handle that, will get some interesting results.
@@luminousfractal420 yes! More discs means more torque. But you’ll have a limit to how wide you can go where your exhaust holes aren’t big enough to handle the volumetric flow rate needed to torque on the shaft of discs.
Nice your doing great work. I'm about 75% through the development of the MFC. I finally found work so my progress is going to slow down, but I'll be able to afford high quality parts for the last stage of development.
What rpm did yall get it to? Sounded like enough to produce good torque.. Also im betting the water was turning white from eating at the acrylic case. Lol.. was waiting for it to explode the whole time..
why the molecules go inside and not outside? Because is the only exit? But that dont cause friction and any other problem. To me sound like try to aproch magnets with the same pole. Or swiming against current.
@@thomascameron683 we had a big conference to go to, our patreons have the updates. I have to show them everything before it goes on youtube but haven't' had time yet to get organize it all. I will start posting it all soon.
Have you tried using Freon or anything of that nature? Maybe instead of propane for heat, solar panels filled with Freon or a substitute in a closed system to keep the temperatures in a smaller range. Also could combining Tesla’s valve on both intake and exhaust ends would force a higher flow and exchange into the system?
We have tried ammonia but ran into problems that can easily be solved with a little more time. I'm trying to avoid the ammonia, ill be demonstrating this soon. I agree with the tesla valves too, but they must be sized exactly for the flow requirements of the turbine.
what about the glasses inside double pane windows? do those insulate some thermal heat without blocking the energizing rays or could it be simpler like a water jacket just to prevent the panel surface from getting too hot...
Lemme ask u a question, when we use a air compressor to run the tesla turbine dan connet to a motor, we can make a tesla turbine become a generator, so how if we use the electric to power the electric compressor? Is it posibility become a free energy generator?
well, it's possible for the heat to be free, because there is a constant heat differential everywhere with the earth. the energy from the earth is free, we just need a way to convert it. We have found the way.
Hello from Germany! I think your turbine would be great, but there would be an improvement. I would install the bearings outside where no air-water mixture comes and when do you want to use the energy? build on one side double bearing with flywheel belts. Alternator, whereby the Altinator probably has to be built itself. Good job I'll recreate that. 😊
I remember when I was using airdrills. when water got into the line the speed doubled at least. Always meant to get back to that and experiment deliberately with it
o yeah! I've seen this happen too! What we need for the test is hydrophobic side walls, to keep the water from slowing the turbine down when there is too much in there.
@@iEnergySupply I was thinking that if the air which spins turbine would come from combusting HHO it would turn into water so you would'nt need to add water or if you needed you could change the ratios on combustion to a richer/leaner mixture and even automate it with sensors so you would be getting right amount of water into turbine
@@johnwyman6126 My experience with Rain X is that dirts tends to stick to it like glue over time, and then its almost impossible to hold it clean. But with steam it should be clean, so maybe a great idea.
Great experiment. Congratulations and thank you for sharing the images with all of us. It would also be very nice to see a short video with a fixed camera on the vortex and maybe a colored liquid in order to observe the contrast.
I wanted to show the boundary layer inside the tesla turbine and also show the vortex in action it bears a striking resemblance to a tornado, but it's in a box. Here is a see through tesla turbine that shows it all visually. Our new website is almost finished! Myteslapower.com Pateons saw this video 3 weeks earlier. Patreon.com/ienergysupply
that is impressive add a turbo on one of the out put shafts to feed the compressed air to the venturi then collect the chilled water and use it to cool the incoming air compressing it further prior to introducing the hot water add a pto gear box on the other end of the shaft and you have an engine that will run off of a hot water heater....or solar i wonder what the HP efficiency would look like per watt of heat?
Unfortunately that's in Utah, we will be going to Utah for testing on that system after the conference. For now I'm going to use my system up in Idaho with just water and vacuum in a closed system.
Are you intending on selling the complete product once you've finished development? I want this in a van so we don't have to worry about solar! If this were to run just on the pressure from the warm water without any compression or vacuum unit, maybe using a copper heating element from a fire or log burner going into the pressure/water chamber, what temperature would you want the water to be?
we got 600 watts on our 135 degree water test, we had ice on the condenser. that was a low speed test though and much more to come on the subject. Higher speeds = more power. We are waiting on our analytical equipment to show exactly what it's capable of and what's going on.
@@thumperhunts6250 Charlie Solis has a design with the vortex tube exhaust duct for his thermoelectric Tesla turbine disc stack idea. Check it out! ruclips.net/video/_qROtAW8XLg/видео.html
@@iEnergySupply I’m thinking about running one on a ebike . I’m I thinking about building a tank with induction heaters from a coffee pot to boil the water. Use the turbine to create electricity in addition to the battery. It would basically run of steam when battery starts getting low to recharge and at full throttle. I think if can get rid off the voltage spikes caused by accelerating the batteries range would be much much longer ..
it's stainless steel, and I'm not sure how long it would last without lubrication, we will soon add lubs to our boiler if needed. please seee our latest videos.
KEWL, I would be replacing that water with oil, the bearing is not going to last long with water as a lubricant and I am wondering what the RPM range is on the bearing part number??
people keep telling me the ceramic bearings may not need oil. If they don't' need water would they work with steam, at least the water can add a little bit of lubrication right? We will test it either way.
Doesn't the boundary layer effect interact with the casing walls? Would It not be beneficial to make a gradual increase in case wall like in Tesla's original designs?
@@iEnergySupply Wow, I wonder if you could use the basic, fundamental equations I've put together for the Skin Effect in a solid. It actually makes math of the material condition, to describe the resonant effect you cite. Tapering would create a resonant cycle, and would accentuate the pump effect. Single gauge would stabilize and focus the scalar waves to the dynamic center.
Could perhaps several shallow spiral shaped grooves in the inner casing -encourage the working medium to 'ride the disk' longer before exiting -from the get go, to help it spin up faster? Could be in the shape of the final stable vortex, so all flow would stabilize to that pattern (faster?) more reliably given your exact 'power in'/ target velocity. So cool that it comes out cold though. You can use this technology on every 64,500 power plants in the world and then instead of using their Superheated Water Vapor from their Wet Surface Air Cooling technology to make clouds which is the only way rain is made -they can cool their process fluids directly by sending them through this device -which happens to have the quality of being able to generate lots of electricity. And then we can just have no more rain because there is no more need to dump ground water on hot process fluids pipes at power plants to cool them.
Amazing! Could the compressor be powered by turbine axi? Use a starter motor (maybe eletric)to begin, and in normal regime and all power is provided by hotwater. Do you think it works?
I wonder if what we're seeing here is the water, which naturally wants to separate from the air with the centrifugal forces, being pushed through the middle by air pressure or flow from the centrifugal head to the outlet. And thus wasting that air's energy. These videos are incredibly insightful. Keep up the good work.
Hi Jeremiah, what do you think the energy efficiency ratio is of your turbine in that fashion compared to an internal combustion engine? Thanks for the reply. Keep up the good work.
as the turbine speeds up then the length of the engagement between the working fluid and turbine increases, forcing the fluid through longer and smaller tubes inside the turbine. it feels like there is some sort of waveform at play and them collapsing could be the reason the turbine looses speed randomly? maybe theres a way to make the heat, noise, and rotation harmonize since they're all vibrations?
well that explains why tesla was worried about resonate frequencies so much; the tesla turbine is as much of an instrument as it is an energy converter. for each working fluid temperature and density there must be an optimum resonate diameter and thickness of the disks? I'm thinking about the thermal acoustic cooling devices that nighthawkinlight is doing? or how flat panels vibrate and resonate in air like those cool sand on vibrating metal videos or those polystyrene pink foam flat panel exciter speakers everyone was making a few years back. im really starting to think this is a thermal-acoustic device too
The turbine looses speed in this case because the water condenses and adds tons of friction between the side walls and the rotor. We will be using a hydrophobic coating on the casing in the future to prevent this from happening. "im really starting to think this is a thermal-acoustic device too" This is a possibility, we will know for sure soon.
@@iEnergySupply Have you looked into pnuematic votex tubes? They're kind of a small curio that can convert compressed air into a high pressure hot air votex and a low pressure cold air vortex. The hot air comes from the air spinning around the housing of the tube hundreds of times before leaving the nozzel. I had a feeling one of those would be really good at injecting and forcing entrainment and vaporization of a liquid with an injector or venturi nozzle. It has no moving parts and can pre-establish spin in the air moving down the tube. I had an idea that one of those blowing into the center of a tesla turbine could act like a turbo and water vaporizor at the same time making steam from room temp compressed air and water at atmospheric. This would also precharge the water with heat for the turbine to sap. I also figured if they get to that reported 200c the product manufacturers say, then they could also entrain liquid or fine powder fuels and force them to combust without a pilot light, like a ram jet.
I'm really excited for this tesla turbine tech youre expanding on. I have a homestead that uses compressed air lines for long distance power transmission instead of AC lines because its a little safer for my family to work around and easier to repair incase of failure. A device like your turbine would mean that my compressed air to electricity generation would be more efficient and easier to maintain in a home machine shop and use a lot less have-to-buy motor oil than locomotion I'm using now.
Would love to know how fast it spun up to ... any chances you can put a burrito meter on it next time? Did it max out in speed, or did somebody get nervous when the sound level went down?
Is there a different type of gas that you could utilize that could be EGR'd? Why does the exhaust port look like it has poor fluid mechanics? Closed loop gas, electric start on axle, clutch release, spool up, clutch engage, power generator
@@iEnergySupply the problem with using air is that you get water and water does not mix well with most oils. If you can find a dryer gas like the system in your car then you can use the oil from there
Without some kind of load on the turbine it's hard to know how much work it's able to do. Even a simple fan on the axle and measure the RPM would be something. Then, run it without the water, just air. Compare that to water + air, then your steam + air if you like. For the moment all I am seeing is a thing spun by compressed air and no indication of the water adding anything to it other than making things drippy.
@@iEnergySupply These all seem to involve the water, I'm saying run this without the water, what are the results then? Once you have that baseline then we have something to compare it to when you add steam/water.
@adam porter I would figure the purpose of the water is just so you can see the way the air moves, the Tesla turbine was made by Tesla and was supposedly 97% efficient with just air and the boundary effect is the air grips the disc and moves the turbine and the water is just to see how the boundary effect. If anybody would like to correct me if I'm wrong please do.
@@jaxperez7860 Nikola Tesla claimed 97% efficiency using a second stage vacuum pump with 3 times the surface area and superheated steam in 1911. The highest recorded Tesla turbine single stage is 86% efficient using super heated steam and air bearings.
Remember this was a closed system with high vacuum on the condenser, and it wasn't superheated. He said you could get over 600 horsepower on 125 psi of steam. That's not superheated.
Bro can u tell me if the pressure is low how was the turbine rotation happened and can we control the rotation speed anyway? And how to take water out?
This is too cheap and to easy to use once the turbine is perfected. Annually, global consumption is even more impressive, reaching 36.4 billion barrels consumed in 2018, according to BP. That's $2.184 trillion worth of oil consumption in a single year. In gallons, the world's annual consumption is 1.134 trillion-roughly half the amount of water found in Lake Michigan What if one day you spoke to all the oil companies and said, we have a way to allow every home in the world to make their own power? More efficiently and cheaply without their giant complex and expensive turbines they use in the powerplants. They would see over two trillion dollars disappear from their mega rich pockets. They do everything they can to keep that kind of competition from succeeding, including paying the news channels, and politicians to back their agenda in making it either illegal or impossible for the public to get their hands on it. This is my theory.
Tesla turbine is high efficient on high revs. Efficiency on low revs is nearly none. To generate big torque you need to build big turbine. Imagine the linear speed of the rotor and the centrifugal force in it when turbine is 3 metres in diameter. We don't have a material to build such a rotor. This invention is still from the future.
@@clasyfiks Want a light saber? Dead ass serious. I am teasing the right answer, and it is right or not. How do we scale in 3D, not sq2 binary? Dynamic dielectric AND magnetic fields. I only get the blood Azazel's mind needs to function. Elon stole all of the money and the name. You get Edutainment and NASA hoodies to die in.
@@clasyfiks There are companies using large tesla turbines today, the video you saw about the turbine requiring mac 18 or something is super in-accurate.
the water is very cold, at this point we are not sure how well it will work for an air conditioning system but we will be experimenting with this concept in the future.
@@iEnergySupply Let it run through a thin grid of copper pipes and put a fan on it. I wonder if it'll be more efficient than a standard AC... but I guess it'll depend on how you make it
That’s awesome!! I’d love to see a thermal on this! I had no idea water would have such an effect on pressure. How is the water mix regulated? Could a needle valve on the vacuum side of the water reservoir prevent the flooding, in the beginning and the possible oversaturation during operation, without having to change the orifice size of the injector?
this isn't the intended fluid, and steam added to the compressed air would be better. I would have to do more research here to give you definitive answers. To see the intended use of the turbine, see our latest videos.
Okay im curious, if someone took let's say 2 of these and mounted them to the sides of an electric car or built them into an electric car with like a forced induction tunnel (like a turbo) and the dimensions you needed to achieve it was possible could you not permanently charge that car? I don't know anything behind the science aspect of electric cars besides they run on stored energy, that needs to be charged. It just seems with them being the right size and having the right out put it would be possible.
I believe it's possible with salts in a cold steam system. For now we are going to use just water, in our vacuum boiler/condenser system. ruclips.net/video/SbVRXvrGJfI/видео.html
@@TANOCA17 good call. I think a PTFE o-ring would fit my design perfectly, after doing some research. I'm designing an enclosure to 3d print, will be used for hydro-power.
@@andrewsmithmilan1780 o-ring may not be the best choice for a rotary application as they're designed mostly static or mostly axial shaft movements but only occasional shaft rotation. There are PTFE (rotary) shaft seals from SKF. Those are also extremely low torque which equals low power loss, might be an advantage for such a high rpm application compared to any rubber rotary seal. PTFE is durable up to 30 m/s shaft contact line speed and withstands extreme temperatures. Only disadvantage may be the cost and availability.
@@iEnergySupply Ok, so does this mean the two stage design with the turbine + pump still requires a condenser after the pump stage if you want to continually recycle the water, via heating it with a radiator with ambiant air or a solar collector (like you talked about in your 30 minute video) and putting it back into the hot tank?
@@PhillyEaglesFanatic yes, a simple pump transfers the condensate back to the boiler, and the condenser doesn't need to be externally could once we reach our efficiency goals.
we will soon be analyzing our system's temperature in, temperature out, pressure in, pressure out, rpm, acceleration, humidity in, humidity out etc. two weeks is our estamite.
Would it be possible to upscale something like this to, say, power a house? I've heard it needs some serious rpm's to generate a lot of power. I imagine the spinning parts would have to be made from a hard, heat-resistant material with high tensile strength.
absolutely, see our newest video, and please leave a comment. with carbon fiber we achieved 150000 rpm with a periphery speed of nearly 1440 miles per hour.
Has anyone tried making a left sided clockwise and a right sided counter clockwise balanced unit? One feed from the top. The other from the bottom. Equalize the forces. Maybe get a little more zippity from your do-da day?
@@iEnergySupply Well, in honesty I don't know what I'm asking. Maybe I should just leave it at that. My thought isn't complete. I admire your research and am excited that magnetics are being explored seriously. Sorry to have distracted.
Работал два года с эффектом Ранка. Очень интересное изобретение с большим потенциалом. He worked for two years with the Rank effect. A very interesting invention with great potential.
26 JUN 22 Question: If the discs were made of modern day materials would they withstand the forces involved? Also: Diamonds can be grown now....would grown diamond discs be strong enough? (Not a science guy, just a question)
The disks worked just fine back in tesla's day, it's a myth. Tesla did one test where the disks warped, and I did as well. Anything will warp or fail at a certain speed. The rpms required for good performance are actually not that high. Ill be showing this in my next testing.
![Tesla Turbine [Smoke Flow Slow Mo]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/qL3kCawHMqk/mqdefault.jpg)
Adding a load would allow you to see the amount of extrable energy from the system and see if the heated water is worth the extra energy.
While interesting. It is important to validate and quantify the specific variables.
Please see our latest video. Our analytical equipment is on the way so stay tuned.
I hate it when they dont add a load cus they know it's gonna fail miserably lol 😜😜
@@davey2k12 hahaha don't make a fool of yourself before watching the load testing. Here we get over a horsepower of pure electrical power at low speed. ruclips.net/video/MkGAKqG2qvU/видео.html
@@davey2k12 It's like there's some reason no one is powering anything with these
Tesla verified it. The reason it was deemed unusable at the time was because there were no materials that could hold up under the extreme rpm generated. This is an absolute engineering marvel in it’s pure design.
Awesome job guys 👍
It's really cool how you can see the spiral lines on the casing
Thanks! yeah, I was excited when I saw it.
@@iEnergySupply you must try and use ceramic bearings , at high RPM they are more effective against resistance
the options are ,
Magnetic Bearing
Gas Bearing
Ceramic Bearing
Carbon Graphite Bearing
or you can try a bearing that is inserted into another bearing , causing even less movement restriction
You can see the Fibonacci spiral inside the turbine, honestly a great invention.
Absolutely!
Haha
Fibonacci?
That’s not a fibonacci spiral. It’s just a spiral.
Ah yes
The fettuccini whirligig
Excellent! Now how about trying the input to the turbine with a steam ejector using atmospheric air as the secondary fluid. You can get the enthalpy of steam (2676 KJ/Kg) to do a great deal of work!
Great suggestion! It will be on the to do list.
Yeah, I drew up something a while back running off of the plume that comes out of the stacks at the refineries it is all just steam, but I said a steam jet, because you get a roughly 6 to 1, or 9 to 1 compression ratio. And than you take out the need for a compressor. The only thing I could not figure out is if you should scale it back a little bit the way you get the super sonic boost, not the velocity boost. I think that is what the last part of the process is called, but you cannot increase the size of your pipe afterwards because you are going to lose pressure.
@@mitchellsmith7868 yeah, nozzles are extremely important.
@@iEnergySupply I did not even think of it like that, so you are saying that if you allow your nozzle to pull in atmospheric pressure that it could reach super sonic velocity. Instead of just a velocity boost. That is genius!!
@@mitchellsmith7868 It must be tested, but sounds promising.
nice you added the venturi, now add the other part on the output... the missing trompe collector/ recycled air bubbler
Many experiments to do, thanks for the suggestion.
I don't know what pressure you're running, but the reason the water is cold is because the air in contact with it is decompressing. That being said, the adhesion of the water to the turbine surface should drastically increase its efficiency. The spiral formed was also immaculate.
This experiment was just for fun, please see our new video. The intended fluid is water only.
Wonderful additions! Cannot wait too see what happens when you get the output tuned in. Great work fellas. Thanks for sharing
Thanks, very soon :)
Very Cool!
It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison with and without water addition. My first intuition would be adding water would increase the torque but reduce the speed from the mass and viscosity/surface tension of aerosolized water.
I'm not yet sold on the heated water adding much usable power to the system but it's easily testable so looking forward to further tests :)
Thank you for taking the time to film and share your experimentation.
yeah, what I want to try next is steam and compressed air.
@@iEnergySupply something to take into account with steam especially, is that it exponentially increases its expansion pressure at higher temps. Gauging the temp up to 750°F/400°C, if your equipment can handle that, will get some interesting results.
wouldnt increasing the number of layers (by a lot) increase the torque to something more useful? maybe have a meter long pillar of disks.
@@luminousfractal420 yes! More discs means more torque. But you’ll have a limit to how wide you can go where your exhaust holes aren’t big enough to handle the volumetric flow rate needed to torque on the shaft of discs.
Nice your doing great work. I'm about 75% through the development of the MFC. I finally found work so my progress is going to slow down, but I'll be able to afford high quality parts for the last stage of development.
Thanks. Yeah funding is a big part of r&d, be patient and you'll succeed.
Congrats that was beautiful, I’m your #1 Fan
Thanks Phonzy
What about letting the water out with the air..seem would collapse.. would the water atomize??
What rpm did yall get it to? Sounded like enough to produce good torque..
Also im betting the water was turning white from eating at the acrylic case. Lol.. was waiting for it to explode the whole time..
Our top speed is 150000 rpm, at 1440 mph periphery speed.
why the molecules go inside and not outside? Because is the only exit? But that dont cause friction and any other problem. To me sound like try to aproch magnets with the same pole. Or swiming against current.
Best visual of rotation and infall i think ive ever seent
Thanks blain!
Great sound. Thermal camera sounds cool.
I would suggest small half circles of wire or steel. Create vortex before entering turbine.
Great idea, but you want laminar flow at the nozzle and a vortex in the turbine.
That's insane. Cool project. Definitely runs smoother and faster than I was anticipating. The throttle response is great as well.
Yeah it's not bad, but you should see this video, it's much more impressive ruclips.net/video/MkGAKqG2qvU/видео.html
What a cool sound it makes. Keep it up guys!
Thanks! Will do!
Just finished listening to your appearance on the Higherside Chats podcast. Interesting.
o wow, I was curious to see traffic from there. Thanks for checking me out!
Again! I want to know the input to output ratio.
Stay tuned, I show all my experiments.
@@iEnergySupply Ok. I will wait.
@@iEnergySupply You haven't posted any new video afterwards. And how long more it will take to come to market?
@@thomascameron683 we had a big conference to go to, our patreons have the updates. I have to show them everything before it goes on youtube but haven't' had time yet to get organize it all. I will start posting it all soon.
We got 600 watts with 135 f water. We powered the lights at our camp sight for two hours on warm water.
Excellent demo.
Thanks!
would you open to show us the open entire case? I cant see where are the bearings holding the case!
Ill be showing all this on our patreon. Months later ill show it on youtube.
Have you tried using Freon or anything of that nature? Maybe instead of propane for heat, solar panels filled with Freon or a substitute in a closed system to keep the temperatures in a smaller range. Also could combining Tesla’s valve on both intake and exhaust ends would force a higher flow and exchange into the system?
We have tried ammonia but ran into problems that can easily be solved with a little more time. I'm trying to avoid the ammonia, ill be demonstrating this soon. I agree with the tesla valves too, but they must be sized exactly for the flow requirements of the turbine.
what about the glasses inside double pane windows? do those insulate some thermal heat without blocking the energizing rays or could it be simpler like a water jacket just to prevent the panel surface from getting too hot...
Lemme ask u a question, when we use a air compressor to run the tesla turbine dan connet to a motor, we can make a tesla turbine become a generator, so how if we use the electric to power the electric compressor? Is it posibility become a free energy generator?
well, it's possible for the heat to be free, because there is a constant heat differential everywhere with the earth. the energy from the earth is free, we just need a way to convert it. We have found the way.
Hello from Germany! I think your turbine would be great, but there would be an improvement. I would install the bearings outside where no air-water mixture comes and when do you want to use the energy? build on one side double bearing with flywheel belts. Alternator, whereby the Altinator probably has to be built itself. Good job I'll recreate that. 😊
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I remember when I was using airdrills. when water got into the line the speed doubled at least. Always meant to get back to that and experiment deliberately with it
o yeah! I've seen this happen too! What we need for the test is hydrophobic side walls, to keep the water from slowing the turbine down when there is too much in there.
@@iEnergySupply I was thinking that if the air which spins turbine would come from combusting HHO it would turn into water so you would'nt need to add water or if you needed you could change the ratios on combustion to a richer/leaner mixture and even automate it with sensors so you would be getting right amount of water into turbine
@@ruuti3121 Yep, this is one of the experiments we will do shortly, we will be using the tesla valve to control the pulse/flow direction.
@@iEnergySupply Why not apply a hydrophobic coating such as Rain-X?
@@johnwyman6126 My experience with Rain X is that dirts tends to stick to it like glue over time, and then its almost impossible to hold it clean. But with steam it should be clean, so maybe a great idea.
Great experiment. Congratulations and thank you for sharing the images with all of us. It would also be very nice to see a short video with a fixed camera on the vortex and maybe a colored liquid in order to observe the contrast.
I wanted to show the boundary layer inside the tesla turbine and also show the vortex in action it bears a striking resemblance to a tornado, but it's in a box. Here is a see through tesla turbine that shows it all visually.
Our new website is almost finished! Myteslapower.com
Pateons saw this video 3 weeks earlier.
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that is impressive add a turbo on one of the out put shafts to feed the compressed air to the venturi then collect the chilled water and use it to cool the incoming air compressing it further prior to introducing the hot water add a pto gear box on the other end of the shaft and you have an engine that will run off of a hot water heater....or solar i wonder what the HP efficiency would look like per watt of heat?
@@kevint1910 kool man
@@kevint1910 Great idea! Please see our latest video too, we could use this to cool the engine too.
@@rickybobbyflyingwild8119 Thanks!
Fantastic!!! ~Russ
Did you fix the tank for the one that you have running with ammonia?
Unfortunately that's in Utah, we will be going to Utah for testing on that system after the conference. For now I'm going to use my system up in Idaho with just water and vacuum in a closed system.
The water/air mixture also has more inertia to turn the turbine and making more torgue. Really nice spiral you have there.
Yeah it's getting better and better :)
tesla was a genius , you demo was amazing well done
Thank you for bringing back this genius inventor !
Thanks!
Are you intending on selling the complete product once you've finished development? I want this in a van so we don't have to worry about solar! If this were to run just on the pressure from the warm water without any compression or vacuum unit, maybe using a copper heating element from a fire or log burner going into the pressure/water chamber, what temperature would you want the water to be?
we got 600 watts on our 135 degree water test, we had ice on the condenser. that was a low speed test though and much more to come on the subject. Higher speeds = more power. We are waiting on our analytical equipment to show exactly what it's capable of and what's going on.
How do you seal vaccum around the shaft, and what kind of bearing is used?
Have all the details on my patreon, eventually they will come out on RUclips but I give the patrons the details much sooner to help fund the project.
U always inspire me to Innovate something, thanx a lot to you❤️
My pleasure 😊
can atestla turbine be used with the ranque effect do you think?
We will be testing that soon!
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@@thumperhunts6250 Charlie Solis has a design with the vortex tube exhaust duct for his thermoelectric Tesla turbine disc stack idea. Check it out!
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If u recirculate the water how much water does it use.
We will be calculating that soon, but it uses very little water, then you just pump the condensate back to the boiler.
@@iEnergySupply I’m thinking about running one on a ebike . I’m I thinking about building a tank with induction heaters from a coffee pot to boil the water. Use the turbine to create electricity in addition to the battery.
It would basically run of steam when battery starts getting low to recharge and at full throttle.
I think if can get rid off the voltage spikes caused by accelerating the batteries range would be much much longer ..
This is beautiful and It was the first time me watching it
thanks!
How long would the bearings last with the warm water? Could you make them waterproof?
it's stainless steel, and I'm not sure how long it would last without lubrication, we will soon add lubs to our boiler if needed. please seee our latest videos.
You could replace stainless bearings for ceramic ones, it will last a lot longer, don’t require lubrication and no corrosion.
KEWL, I would be replacing that water with oil, the bearing is not going to last long with water as a lubricant and I am wondering what the RPM range is on the bearing part number??
people keep telling me the ceramic bearings may not need oil. If they don't' need water would they work with steam, at least the water can add a little bit of lubrication right? We will test it either way.
Doesn't the boundary layer effect interact with the casing walls? Would It not be beneficial to make a gradual increase in case wall like in Tesla's original designs?
Depends on weather you want a pump or a turbine. They both have their uses.
@@iEnergySupply Wow, I wonder if you could use the basic, fundamental equations I've put together for the Skin Effect in a solid. It actually makes math of the material condition, to describe the resonant effect you cite. Tapering would create a resonant cycle, and would accentuate the pump effect. Single gauge would stabilize and focus the scalar waves to the dynamic center.
Could perhaps several shallow spiral shaped grooves in the inner casing -encourage the working medium to 'ride the disk' longer before exiting -from the get go, to help it spin up faster? Could be in the shape of the final stable vortex, so all flow would stabilize to that pattern (faster?) more reliably given your exact 'power in'/ target velocity.
So cool that it comes out cold though. You can use this technology on every 64,500 power plants in the world and then instead of using their Superheated Water Vapor from their Wet Surface Air Cooling technology to make clouds which is the only way rain is made -they can cool their process fluids directly by sending them through this device -which happens to have the quality of being able to generate lots of electricity. And then we can just have no more rain because there is no more need to dump ground water on hot process fluids pipes at power plants to cool them.
Amazing!
Could the compressor be powered by turbine axi? Use a starter motor (maybe eletric)to begin, and in normal regime and all power is provided by hotwater. Do you think it works?
how water is what we will be using to power the turbines from now on. Water below 100c and 212f. Please see our recent cold steam testing.
I wonder if what we're seeing here is the water, which naturally wants to separate from the air with the centrifugal forces, being pushed through the middle by air pressure or flow from the centrifugal head to the outlet. And thus wasting that air's energy.
These videos are incredibly insightful. Keep up the good work.
That's a good theory! We would just have to do more testing to find out for sure.
Sooo cool. This is stunning to conceive in my mind ❤️🔥💫
Hi Jeremiah, what do you think the energy efficiency ratio is of your turbine in that fashion compared to an internal combustion engine? Thanks for the reply. Keep up the good work.
Well I'm just waiting for the numbers from our analytical equipment. We will know soon.
Even after adding your generator maybe send the exhaust towards a small wind turbine to spin the wind turbine propellers for more free electricity?
we are now running in a closed loop system, please see our latest videos.
as the turbine speeds up then the length of the engagement between the working fluid and turbine increases, forcing the fluid through longer and smaller tubes inside the turbine. it feels like there is some sort of waveform at play and them collapsing could be the reason the turbine looses speed randomly? maybe theres a way to make the heat, noise, and rotation harmonize since they're all vibrations?
well that explains why tesla was worried about resonate frequencies so much; the tesla turbine is as much of an instrument as it is an energy converter. for each working fluid temperature and density there must be an optimum resonate diameter and thickness of the disks? I'm thinking about the thermal acoustic cooling devices that nighthawkinlight is doing? or how flat panels vibrate and resonate in air like those cool sand on vibrating metal videos or those polystyrene pink foam flat panel exciter speakers everyone was making a few years back. im really starting to think this is a thermal-acoustic device too
The turbine looses speed in this case because the water condenses and adds tons of friction between the side walls and the rotor. We will be using a hydrophobic coating on the casing in the future to prevent this from happening. "im really starting to think this is a thermal-acoustic device too" This is a possibility, we will know for sure soon.
@@iEnergySupply Have you looked into pnuematic votex tubes? They're kind of a small curio that can convert compressed air into a high pressure hot air votex and a low pressure cold air vortex. The hot air comes from the air spinning around the housing of the tube hundreds of times before leaving the nozzel. I had a feeling one of those would be really good at injecting and forcing entrainment and vaporization of a liquid with an injector or venturi nozzle. It has no moving parts and can pre-establish spin in the air moving down the tube. I had an idea that one of those blowing into the center of a tesla turbine could act like a turbo and water vaporizor at the same time making steam from room temp compressed air and water at atmospheric. This would also precharge the water with heat for the turbine to sap.
I also figured if they get to that reported 200c the product manufacturers say, then they could also entrain liquid or fine powder fuels and force them to combust without a pilot light, like a ram jet.
I'm really excited for this tesla turbine tech youre expanding on. I have a homestead that uses compressed air lines for long distance power transmission instead of AC lines because its a little safer for my family to work around and easier to repair incase of failure. A device like your turbine would mean that my compressed air to electricity generation would be more efficient and easier to maintain in a home machine shop and use a lot less have-to-buy motor oil than locomotion I'm using now.
This is very cool! Is it possible to purchase your tesla turbine? I want to do more experiment on it.
so soon, yes, we will have them available. They will be available to our Patreons first. Patreon.com/ienergysupply
Would love to know how fast it spun up to ... any chances you can put a burrito meter on it next time? Did it max out in speed, or did somebody get nervous when the sound level went down?
Could you hook that up to copper wire and a magnet to create electricity?
yes, please see our new videos.
This great! Do you have a cad file of the two 1/2 pieces you used for the housing?
Thanks!
Thanks! I have a cad drawing of my most recent and advanced turbine on my patreon page. Patreon.com/ienergysupply
Is there a different type of gas that you could utilize that could be EGR'd? Why does the exhaust port look like it has poor fluid mechanics? Closed loop gas, electric start on axle, clutch release, spool up, clutch engage, power generator
I've found that the generator must be directly attached to the rotor to avoid friction at high speeds.
@@iEnergySupply water is not a lubricant, and using compressed air is causing water vapor and droplets. Ac refrigerant uses an oil in the lines.
@@David_Mash we really want to incorporate some kind of oil with our cold steam system
@@iEnergySupply the problem with using air is that you get water and water does not mix well with most oils. If you can find a dryer gas like the system in your car then you can use the oil from there
Without some kind of load on the turbine it's hard to know how much work it's able to do. Even a simple fan on the axle and measure the RPM would be something.
Then, run it without the water, just air. Compare that to water + air, then your steam + air if you like. For the moment all I am seeing is a thing spun by compressed air and no indication of the water adding anything to it other than making things drippy.
We show loads in other videos, have you seen our latest?
@@iEnergySupply These all seem to involve the water, I'm saying run this without the water, what are the results then? Once you have that baseline then we have something to compare it to when you add steam/water.
I don't understand this experiment at all lol. Surely the power it coming from the compressed air?
@adam porter I would figure the purpose of the water is just so you can see the way the air moves, the Tesla turbine was made by Tesla and was supposedly 97% efficient with just air and the boundary effect is the air grips the disc and moves the turbine and the water is just to see how the boundary effect. If anybody would like to correct me if I'm wrong please do.
@@jaxperez7860 Nikola Tesla claimed 97% efficiency using a second stage vacuum pump with 3 times the surface area and superheated steam in 1911. The highest recorded Tesla turbine single stage is 86% efficient using super heated steam and air bearings.
Correct!
Remember this was a closed system with high vacuum on the condenser, and it wasn't superheated. He said you could get over 600 horsepower on 125 psi of steam. That's not superheated.
@@iEnergySupply could you resign the plates to have more surface area , kind of like your intestines. They have a extreme amount of surface area
Bro can u tell me if the pressure is low how was the turbine rotation happened and can we control the rotation speed anyway? And how to take water out?
This so powerful, I'm wondering why we didn't use this turbine for renewable energy now?
This is too cheap and to easy to use once the turbine is perfected. Annually, global consumption is even more impressive, reaching 36.4 billion barrels consumed in 2018, according to BP. That's $2.184 trillion worth of oil consumption in a single year. In gallons, the world's annual consumption is 1.134 trillion-roughly half the amount of water found in Lake Michigan
What if one day you spoke to all the oil companies and said, we have a way to allow every home in the world to make their own power? More efficiently and cheaply without their giant complex and expensive turbines they use in the powerplants. They would see over two trillion dollars disappear from their mega rich pockets. They do everything they can to keep that kind of competition from succeeding, including paying the news channels, and politicians to back their agenda in making it either illegal or impossible for the public to get their hands on it.
This is my theory.
@@iEnergySupply Hence my rant above. I am happy to see it changing at the small scale.
Tesla turbine is high efficient on high revs. Efficiency on low revs is nearly none. To generate big torque you need to build big turbine. Imagine the linear speed of the rotor and the centrifugal force in it when turbine is 3 metres in diameter. We don't have a material to build such a rotor. This invention is still from the future.
@@clasyfiks Want a light saber? Dead ass serious. I am teasing the right answer, and it is right or not. How do we scale in 3D, not sq2 binary? Dynamic dielectric AND magnetic fields. I only get the blood Azazel's mind needs to function. Elon stole all of the money and the name. You get Edutainment and NASA hoodies to die in.
@@clasyfiks There are companies using large tesla turbines today, the video you saw about the turbine requiring mac 18 or something is super in-accurate.
When running, remove the air and let smkoe get sucked in, to see the vortex coming out on the sides...would be interesting to see!
Something we will do in the future, stay tuned.
hey man ;)
you could try adding a dye of any color, so that we can better see the passage of water
thanks
yeah in future experiments that would be a great idea.
Happy late birthday to a wonderful young man.
Thank you!
So sweet I always like transparent machiene's, what is the efficiency of this build?
How is it sealed so the water doesn't come out at the drive shaft instead of just the exhaust ?
Is the water really really cold? Can you make a new type of air conditioning with this?
the water is very cold, at this point we are not sure how well it will work for an air conditioning system but we will be experimenting with this concept in the future.
@@iEnergySupply Let it run through a thin grid of copper pipes and put a fan on it. I wonder if it'll be more efficient than a standard AC... but I guess it'll depend on how you make it
Thats brilliant man👍🏻
thanks!
That’s awesome!! I’d love to see a thermal on this!
I had no idea water would have such an effect on pressure. How is the water mix regulated?
Could a needle valve on the vacuum side of the water reservoir prevent the flooding, in the beginning and the possible oversaturation during operation, without having to change the orifice size of the injector?
this isn't the intended fluid, and steam added to the compressed air would be better. I would have to do more research here to give you definitive answers. To see the intended use of the turbine, see our latest videos.
@@iEnergySupply I’m definitely interested and will be checking them out.
Okay im curious, if someone took let's say 2 of these and mounted them to the sides of an electric car or built them into an electric car with like a forced induction tunnel (like a turbo) and the dimensions you needed to achieve it was possible could you not permanently charge that car? I don't know anything behind the science aspect of electric cars besides they run on stored energy, that needs to be charged. It just seems with them being the right size and having the right out put it would be possible.
I believe it's possible with salts in a cold steam system. For now we are going to use just water, in our vacuum boiler/condenser system. ruclips.net/video/SbVRXvrGJfI/видео.html
try high pressure steam only. I think it will be great !!!
Soon we will be testing with cold steam/criophorous system.
that layering is amazing. nice 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Is the high pitch noise coming from the bearing?
Any rotary seals do you use in order to protect bearings from water?
im trying to figure that out as well.
@@andrewsmithmilan1780 There are PTFE seals that run dry (without oil) against pneumatic pressure. I wonder if those would work 🤔
@@TANOCA17 good call.
I think a PTFE o-ring would fit my design perfectly, after doing some research. I'm designing an enclosure to 3d print, will be used for hydro-power.
@@andrewsmithmilan1780 o-ring may not be the best choice for a rotary application as they're designed mostly static or mostly axial shaft movements but only occasional shaft rotation. There are PTFE (rotary) shaft seals from SKF. Those are also extremely low torque which equals low power loss, might be an advantage for such a high rpm application compared to any rubber rotary seal. PTFE is durable up to 30 m/s shaft contact line speed and withstands extreme temperatures. Only disadvantage may be the cost and availability.
Great project.
Any technical data like RPM, torque, time running, casing temperature, etc. please?
Regards 🙂
Sweet exhaust port!
Thank you!
Hi Jeremiah, when the fluid exits the tesla pump in the two stage design, is it a liquid like in this video?
yeah it rapidly condenses. some of the condensate makes it to the condenser before condensing though.
@@iEnergySupply Ok, so does this mean the two stage design with the turbine + pump still requires a condenser after the pump stage if you want to continually recycle the water, via heating it with a radiator with ambiant air or a solar collector (like you talked about in your 30 minute video) and putting it back into the hot tank?
@@PhillyEaglesFanatic yes, a simple pump transfers the condensate back to the boiler, and the condenser doesn't need to be externally could once we reach our efficiency goals.
@@iEnergySupply Ok, cool. Thanks! 🙂
What pressure and flow rate required to power the unit to achieve 1kw of output.
What would happen if you fit a flywheel and when up to speed take away the compressor ? Will the hot water 'boost' alone keep it running ?
Have you thought about using Fluid Dynamic Bearings or Hydro Dynamic Bearings in this water induced design???🤔
Is that basically how an air/water separator works in an aircraft pressure system?
I'm really not sure how the air water separator works.
What would be the output from the turbine if airflow at 334 m/s velocity and flow rate of 32 cubic meter per minute is used?
I need to wait for the empirical data to answer the question accurately.
I really want to know what or how was the fuel injected as i didnt really understand that in the first section of the vid
Please see our other videos, our newest one is the best.
@@iEnergySupply i surree will, thanks for the fast reply
Did they develop turbos with this
I am not sure if anyone has done it yet but it's a great idea!
How long can it remain rotating at a constant speed?
I wonder how efficient it is?
we will soon be analyzing our system's temperature in, temperature out, pressure in, pressure out, rpm, acceleration, humidity in, humidity out etc. two weeks is our estamite.
Speed measurement would be great!
in our previous videos we show rpm, this is actually a slow run too.
What happens if you insert the air from the middle?
Why not use the concept to drive vehicles? Or machinery?
we will some day!
How much load can it drive?
Soon we will show all this, but for now you should see our previous load testing.
Would it be possible to upscale something like this to, say, power a house? I've heard it needs some serious rpm's to generate a lot of power. I imagine the spinning parts would have to be made from a hard, heat-resistant material with high tensile strength.
absolutely, see our newest video, and please leave a comment. with carbon fiber we achieved 150000 rpm with a periphery speed of nearly 1440 miles per hour.
what happened to your website?
power went out, it should be back up again.
Wouldn't your inlet pipe need to be several meters long (after the injector) to achieve laminar flow?
it's possible
Has anyone tried making a left sided clockwise and a right sided counter clockwise balanced unit? One feed from the top. The other from the bottom. Equalize the forces.
Maybe get a little more zippity from your do-da day?
Haven't tried that yet but we may in the future.
they say if you get the turbine past 100000 rpms then you can seen lines of centerpedal convergence
our fastest is 150000 rpm
It would have been really cool of you had a view through a thermal camera to show the temperature difference between the intake and outlet port.
Absolutely, we will be doing that soon, have you seen our latest video?
What would heat to boiling at a lower temp to create the steam?
can you elaborate? I am confused with your question.
@@iEnergySupply Well, in honesty I don't know what I'm asking. Maybe I should just leave it at that. My thought isn't complete. I admire your research and am excited that magnetics are being explored seriously. Sorry to have distracted.
What if the nozzle isn't horizontal but with a 5 degre angle?
interested in slinging balls like a cannon or sling, at rim speed? just two, left and right, discs, same boundary layer friction
also a heat dissipation discs and heat collection discs
center or near center holes to suck air in and sling out from outer rim
spiral channel boundaries, bound together as a one rotating block, kinda like a spiral water scoop wheel
have you tried pressure from center to be cast out from the input?
This isn't the intended use of the turbine, if you watch the two new videos on the channel we show how we intend to power the turbine.
Работал два года с эффектом Ранка. Очень интересное изобретение с большим потенциалом. He worked for two years with the Rank effect. A very interesting invention with great potential.
Good work 🎉🎉🎉
Thank you! Cheers!
Can you run this off of steam alone?
Also it looks like the exhaust is not fluid. Is there a reason that you wanted turbulence there?
absolutely, please see our latest video.
no it should be fluid, the exhaust should be positioned slightly different, it's corrected in our latest design.
Measure the torque by attaching something and driving it, perhaps a truck alternator.
Long-term, easiest way to measure torque is to just load it with a motor😁
What is your tested RPM on this???
26 JUN 22 Question: If the discs were made of modern day materials would they withstand the forces involved? Also: Diamonds can be grown now....would grown diamond discs be strong enough? (Not a science guy, just a question)
The disks worked just fine back in tesla's day, it's a myth. Tesla did one test where the disks warped, and I did as well. Anything will warp or fail at a certain speed. The rpms required for good performance are actually not that high. Ill be showing this in my next testing.
Sooo whats the data vs just air. Whats the point without any idea of the effect? How do you dial in the amount with no data :(
We will not be testing with air anymore, please see our latest video.