I was part of team that built one of these for an Airforce design competition in college. We could reliably get ~94% efficiency with a closed loop superheated steam system harvesting exhaust heat from a small jet engine and got just below 96% efficiency in some ideal test cases. The main limiting factors were that the discs had to be designed to stretch uniformly without distorting at ~40k RPM and that the gaps between the disks had to be designed for an incredibly specific set of operating parameters (steam temp, pressure, velocity, etc.). The smallest variations, or while waiting for it to spin up, and we wouldn't even get close to those efficiencies. A lot of the initial designs weren't efficient enough to reach the right parameters at all.
Oh boy this warrants so many follow-up questions: - Dual outlet or single? - How many discs were used per outlet? - What geometries were used in the outlet? - What diameter went with that RPM? - What was the measured torque output? - Was (or how was) the design compounded? - What materials were used for the discs that had those properties? - Stated efficiency is presumed mechanical, how'd you calculate that efficiency? Was it measured output vs measured losses after the outlet? - What was the name of the competition? Who did you represent or were associated with? I want to find it online or know what I'd need to file a Freedom of Information request with the government because having access to those results would be a game changer for anyone seeking investment in the technology. I'm not looking to call you a liar but you did just say you'd achieved well over twice anyone else's stated efficiency numbers. While I can imagine what you're saying could be true it's still well beyond what anyone has actually demonstrated. So "extraordinary claims = extraordinary evidence" still applies here. Nothing personal! :)
@@Cheebzsta Honestly, it was years ago and I don't remember most of the details but I'll give you what I got. -It used an exhaust manifold with a single exhaust port going into the turbine. The port was also optimized for laminar flow over the disks. The turbine had dual axial exhausts which recombined in a baffle at the manifold's intake. -Around ~15 disks, can't remember exactly. -Turbine exhaust was a circular cut around the axle, broken up by three supports with rounded chamfers. The disks mimicked that but were individually keyed to give the ports a slight offset. The offset actually eked out a bit more (read as "miniscule") efficiency in testing, likely due to artificial radial extension of the fluids path toward the axle. -Around ~10in diameter disks. -Not sure exactly how this design came about except our professor was interested in a practical execution of the turbine and it fit the competition requirements. -The disks were made of a pre-stressed stainless steel alloy. They were individually laser cut then tested at expected RPMs for any unexpected deformations. The vast majority of all disks didn't meet our specs and got tossed out. I think we could only use about 1 in 20 disks by the end of it. -It was primarily a mechanical efficiency and as soon as you throw an alternator on there it's a completely different story. It was measured relative to the steady-state properties of the steam at turbine intake vs turbine exhaust and the kinetic energy of the disks and axle. We measured efficiencies throughout the entire system but that one was the main focus. The most inefficient part of the system was just heating the steam with the jet exhaust without impacting its thrust too much. Surprisingly difficult to do. There was a fair amount of doctoral research on tesla turbines that we used as the basis of our design and which achieved similar efficiencies but it was all at similar or smaller scales. For the amount of effort there aren't really any practical applications for a turbine like this. -I can't remember the name but it's an annual competition (different goals each year) based out of Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio. This one was in 2014 and we were representing the University of Michigan Aerospace Engineering department. It was a shockingly informal process so I'm not sure how much info you could find but if you do look into it and find anything let me know. I'd love to revisit it all.
No it does not, they should have performed actual experiments to back up what they're saying instead of cartoons. Cartoon videos, like NASA, does not prove anything. Shill RUclipsr exposed.
I want to add it here so it is visible. But there is actually a way to make the Turbine 10x smaller, but using the "Super Critical Carbon Dioxide." It is a real thing that they can make regular turbine 10x smaller. Another thing that people don't mention. There are 3 inventions on the same shaft: 1. Tesla turbine (takes steam and spins it) 2. Tesla pump (Propels moleculs from the center outwards, creating a vacuum) Both amplify one-another. 3. Air-bearing on both sides. The vacuum-pumps on both ends give more power to the Tesla turbine in between them, and also create a suction for the air-bearings. There are videos of people literally FREEZING steam using the Turbine and Pump in combination. By having the math on all of these right, you can achieve perhaps 99% efficiency. By using the Super Critical Carbon Dioxide, you can down-size it 10x.
You can have a look at the video by a man way more knowledgeable than most men or women out there, on this issue: "A Better way to Make Electricity WITH CO2"
08:30 Yet theres a nutter who wants to launch satellites by this method! And other idiots who invested 100M in this impossible stupid idea! 🤦♂️🤣 If only any of them knew basics physics or could search on YT for this video etc!
Its wild knowing he sometimes had trouble distinguishing reality from the thoughts in his own head. He was basically a genius who was hallucinating in his everyday life
Not wild at all, he was just a bit weird. He had a tendency to mix religious zealotry with engineering on occasion in ways that just made him sound like a lunatic. The truth is that he was a decent engineer, perhaps even gifted. But not a genius. If Galileo Ferraris had Westinghouse's ear before Tesla then he would be a nobody today. Westinghouse made Tesla, in return Tesla turned around after his death and promptly erased Westinhouse's entire contribution to the electrification effort all while heaping the glory on himself - it's actually pretty tragic. Basically everything positive that popular media says about Tesla is down to other people, mainly Westinghouse and Ferraris.
I think he was untethered from what we call "reality". But if we're being honest, our "reality" is very much just a limiting view of the universe in which we try to contextualise EVERYTHING, so that it makes sense from our very limited perspective. I think Tesla was ego-less and therefore able to see limitless realities that he was comfortable knowing he couldn't comprehend.
Tesla was a genius! Not because his inventions were something that no one could make, but exactly because they were very easy to make if you knew which scientific principal i can be applied to which part of an invention. I think that's what makes him a genius.
Tesla the only known man who had basically the 3D CAD in his head, namely when he was asked why his machinery in almost all of the cases worked out first time. He replied because I assembled them in my head and try multiple variations until it work in my head only then I build tem in a RL . That statement was on the trail when his lab suddenly burned without any reason (or maybe Edison ...?) with all the documentation in it. Tesla was shocked but he rebuild all of his machines out of his head in 2 months, it was miracles for his co workers.
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Except he would still be limited today. It's impossible with materials on this planet to make a disc 3m and have it spin at 50,000 RPM without mechanical failure. His design works, it just isn't as efficient as other designs. That's all. Still a cool piece of machinery and still shows his genius.
Nowadays the blades could be made out of titanium which is used in jet engines and turbines which can hold a great deal of heat without distortion and coming apart and allows you to push the boundaries and hold together have a good day
Finally someone fully explained why we don't use Tesla turbines in powerhouses. I work on steam turbines in the powerhouses during shutdowns. Most of the engineers I have talked with didn't even know what a Tesla turbine was, let alone why we didn't use them.
Tesla the only known man who had basically the 3D CAD in his head, namely when he was asked why his machinery in almost all of the cases worked out first time. He replied because I assembled them in my head and try multiple variations until it work in my head only then I build tem in a RL . That statement was on the trail when his lab suddenly burned without any reason (Edison ..? ) with all the documentation in it. Tesla was shocked but he rebuild all of his machines out of his head in 2 months, it was a real miracle for his co workers, they wrote later that this was basicaly impossible task it should take 2 years not 2 months
I want to build one with a hollow axle for the exhaust, hopefully it'd be strong enough. There'd have to be small holes in the axle between disks, which may complicate the fabrication process
I was a new graduate electrical engineer at Allis-Chalmers Corp. at the research division in West Allis, WI in 1961. At that time, A-C owned the Tesla turbine patent, and I worked beside a fellow mechanical engineer who had been assigned the task of running tests on a compressed air driven Tesla turbine. To load the turbine, a war surplus B-29 engine turbocharger [A-C had made these during WWII, and a few were still lying around] was shaft driven by the test Tesla turbine. A-C was one of the USA manufacturers of steam turbines at that time, and therefore the performance of the Tesla turbine was of interest. After the tests, a full report was written, but is probably lost today, as A-C went out of business in 1986. I am happy to see that others have pursued testing of the Tesla turbine, and have added to the knowledge base. As an interesting side note, Nicola Tesla himself was hired by A-C as an engineering consultant in the early 20th century as revealed in a report on file that my fellow engineer found in the A-C archive. As is well known, Tesla was rather eccentric in his habits. He could not stand to stay overnight in West Allis for some reason, spending his nights out in suburban Waukesha, and commuting by electric rail each workday to the West Allis works. That report too is probably lost.
@@ricardobautista-garcia8492 he stated that himself in his autobiography. He was a boy in Lika (Croatia) and read a travel brochure about Niagara Falls which stated the flow rate and surmised that it was an untapped power potential.
This actually helped me figure out pressed fuse glass. You can make glass really thin by pressing it between two kiln shelves, but the thinner it gets, the more it pulls on the kiln shelves, and the more it picks up kiln wash/kiln paper (intended to keep glass from just gluing to the kiln shelves. 3/16" or 4.5 mm can be pressed without destroying the kiln wash coating. 2.5mm cannot. Glass does have a surface tension and "wants" to be about 6 or 7mm thick.
Maybe float your glass on a molten metal? I work glass mostly on a propane/oxygen torch, have tried a little fusing here and there. At some point I saw some videos or toured an old factory (memory is faulty). I think they used lead or tin .
Elon Musk might be able to help you. He knows a lot about glass thickness. He even demonstrated this on a truck named after our man Tesla. What a coincidence!
He created something so powerful and effective that it was too much for the materials he was using. Nikola Tesla may have had OCD, but he was the Chad of engineering.
If you go further down the rabbit hole of his patents you’ll find that he started chasing the efficiency, adding Venturi system that would drop pressure on the output and increase pressure on inputs.
@@1islam1 How is your salvation achieved through Islam? (chapter,verse, book of where its located/described) Do you believe Jesus was born of a virgin, died on the cross, and was raised again 3 days later?
This turbine has much lower efficiency than any modern turbines. The problem was that at that time there were no technology to produce the blade turbines
@@natteft6593 Oh really? The guys at iEnergySupply beg to differ. What this vid doesn’t say is Tesla said that pulling a vacuum on the exhaust increases efficiency by 50-100%! When used in a small form factor, in combination with a simple but specific generator geometry that uses non-ferrous magnets, this technology is absolutely perfect for every home to generate all the energy it would ever need using warm water. ruclips.net/user/Notime500
@@DozenDeuce pulling a vacuum costs energy, which reduces the performance. I'm not sure how the energy is meant to be enhanced more than the forces are offering.
I am reminded of the movie “Iron Man 2” where Howard Stark designs the mega-molecule but he just doesn’t have the technology to make it himself so he leaves it up to Tony to complete.
To be fair, that can be said about many things. "If only i could build a material stronger than any other known material, my invention would work". Right?
That’s the same problem as now. We can make the small scale ones work with modern materials, but we still can’t use them for their intended Purpose of powering homes and cities. Their ‘Impossible’ not because it can’t be done, but because we don’t have a strong material to withstand the rotational force at that scale. He literally invented something around 100 years ago, that wear still around 100 years from being able to properly use.
@@v.n.sukumarviruputturnagar1365 yup sir but with all respect I want to say that we all have textbooks to learn and understand anything in this world even rocket 🚀 science but if everyone can do that we never need teachers. But if not everyone some still needs teachers and professors to understand the concepts. Neither Every student is self made brilliant nor every professor is a brilliant teacher.
Making out of control machines is easy... but you need to be Tesla to be hailed for it in the XXI century. It's frightening how ole Nikola (a gifted engineer and a lousy "scientist" with mental issues) has gone from unjustly unknown to a cringey and hilarious Pop semi-God in just a couple decades.
@@jasongamer8649 He didn't find a single equation in his entire life, nor wrote any scientific paper of note, nor had any rigurosity in his experiments, or in expending the money of his patrons in a sensible way. Later in his life, he became the laughing stock of the scientific comunity, refusing to accept basic concepts as... the damn electron!! Of course, forget about relativity or quantum mecanics, both of which he utterly refused to believe in too...hilarity ensued Nowadays, any second year electric engineer knows an order of magnitude more about electromagnetism than ole Nicola Even the Wikipedia calls him: "an inventor, electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, and futurist" but not a "scientist" When Dale Alfrey found his lost journals, they included gems like " that in 1899, while in Colorado Springs, Tesla intercepted communications from EXTRATERRESTIAL BEINGS (lol) who were secretly controlling mankind." etc, etc
If we had time machines, I would love to use one to bring Tesla to the future so he could continue his experiments with new tech. Man was a legend of his time and I bet if he lived today he would make something even greater.
I suspect the technologies of the future would be too much for him actually. Guy had a history of taking credit for others work and doing things entirely freestyle without actually understanding what he was working with. Not to say he was entirely clueless,... the guy was brilliant. But in a mad scientist sort of way. Thats probably why people like him,.. he is far from the standard when it comes to brilliant minds. But he'd blow himself up without a doubt. Although I do have to admit, I am also curious what he would come up with before he met his certain doom. To amend what I said tho, out of fairness... most inventors and brilliant minds of the past, and even today, stole the ideas and/or work of others and claimed it as their own. So take it however you will :/
I already went back in time and accomplished this feat. Ofc Tesla changed his name so as not to seem creepy being alive/dead at the same time. He now goes by Mike Lindell. I hope this helps you sleep better!
No one has time machines as time doesn't exist except in people's heads. People use pattern machines to go back, electro-magnetic-spin pattern machines, as in what all matter is made of, the concepts of the electric, magnetic and spin fields knotted. Pons and Fleischman were unwittingly unwinding matter in their "jam jars" by closing off their rods from the rest of the multi-verse via these three fields, the electric and magnetic fields were partially locked out using the rod currents and the bubbling liquid shut down the spin part of the field and so the material partially unwound releasing its energy. The reason protons don't decay as the present particle theory says they should is because they are maintained by their connection to the rest of the multi-verse but shield them magnetically, electrically and spin-wise and they disappear across to the other side of the mirror to their anti-proton life going backwards in pattern and release a puff of energy in this reflection going forward. The same thing happens with people who "shuffle off this mortal coil" and go back in pattern in a never ending cycle of death in this reflection followed by rebirth on the other side and on and on and on. Tesla would understand it but Einstein was as thick as two short planks. Religion is about freeing us from this cycle and bringing us all to the here and now.
i would introduce him to a magic substance called weed,he probably tried it anyways,his best friend was Twain,and he loved,as he called it "hasheesh" which was a very concentrated marijuana thingy....
Yes, simplicity like that blows my mind. Math has in some degree destroyed the Teslas of the world, its made science less accessible to the budding geniuses.
If your invention can't even be realized more than 100 years later and by the time it WOULD become feasible, it would be obsolete, then your invention is useless for practical application.
No, it's a way of saying it's not worth the effort. We can suppose there's a material yet to be invented that would support the RPM needed to make these work. If we have to do 30 years of RnD to find it the project isn't worth doing. Items like parachutes were mathematical sounds in Leonardo da Vinci's time. Yet it took modern materials to make it. No one sat down and tried to make the idea work. The original project was forgotten in time. This too was a project forgotten to time. Many engineering projects are physically possible but not worth the effort. Engineering isn't physics, it's applied science and the human part application is important.
@@gregheffly With the exception that in this case, If we would be able to create materials strong enough to withstand the RPM.....this kind of turbine would be obsolete. A parachute hasn't become obsolete because a fitting material was found and is hence a bad analogy.
@@gregheffly Da Vinci's parachute was terrible and not used. Other inventors actually took his design and improved upon it, shortly after his time. Parachutes needed both better designs and motivation. They didn't understand the physics yet, and it wasn't until basic fluid mechanics was developed in the 18th century as well as hot air balloons that the modern design was attempted. I don't think this was forgotten to time, because its the limit of the angling, but you are completely right about the physically possible part. The other question is why do we want that level of RPM? It would induce efficiency on an industrial applications further down the line. To me it sounds like it would have more use in micro-form factors outside of steam where this would pick up efficiency again.
the premise behind da Vinci's parachute was using logs to form a support structure foe the wind to catch and be buffered through a funnel hole. that kind of idea for a parachute is long dead. the funnel hole was neat and taken but the support structure was terrible, and as time marched on we found out that a good design will capture air as its own support structure. this is a friction turbine, like the old parachute, there's an idea taken from this, then the rest is discarded. low slip boundary layers sounds is a good idea. the rest is trash
TESLA : "It seems that I have always been ahead of my time. I had to wait nineteen years before Niagara was harnessed by my system, fifteen years before the basic inventions for wireless which I gave to the world in 1893 were applied universally." we have to wait more for Tesla Turbine because we dont have strong enough material this monster :)
Quick comment from a Psychology professor entirely ignorant of engineering principles. The graphics of this video are stunning, and make the whole process crystal clear. Thank you!
@@TAZmannTAZ actually if you read your history properly Edison stole his DC stuff from Tesla and stole his Film stuff from LaPrince and stole his Electric light stuff from Joseph Swan. "Edison, the man who claimed the best inventions of the 19th Century as his own".
In a interview Tesla was asked, what was his greatest contribution to the World! Tesla said, my contribution is for future generations, a 100 years from now, people will understand my contribution! That interview was in 1920s
@Anno Elon Musk and Tesla are fundamentally different people. Tesla is an Brilliant Inventor while Elon is a Clever Salesman. Both are very good at what they do but quite different from each other
@@ReneArtoisMr Yeah I think Telsa would hate Elon, he'd see Elon as another Edison. Now Nikola Tesla and Howard Hughes, those two would have gotten along fantastically.
i would argue that teslas efficiency number is correct, just because it cant reach that in practice doesnt change that is its theoretical efficiency, you just need a lighter yet still strong material to make the parts out of, which may be possible in a future alloy
Yes. The guy who made this video is a bit on the negative side. I'm an inventor and I don't like to say that it can't be done but how can it be done and try it, see if it works. And can't you make smaller ones and string the output together? Can't you make room for expansion? Can't you find ways to cool it? Use liquid nitrogen to cool it, or ammonia. Ammonia while heated up becomes cold.
If it was practical to apply that that would make it good, otherwise no good. That is the whole point. Many inventions are out there that are great theoretically, but without the materiel science to bring it to life, none of these inventions are practical. My friend with Phd in Physics tells me this.
@@sevencostanza3931 the hilarious thing is that all of teslas claims have been-or are in process of being-proven. The dude was tony starks dad, ahead of his time, been dead for years and we are still getting schooled by him. You’re on a tesla device just by sending a message.
@@sevencostanza3931 "My friend with Phd in Physics tells me this." yea and you forgot to mention that noone knows him contrary to the Tesla... Tesla work revolutionized the world, the guy was building RC models in XIX century and there was no material for this type of job. Similar story with Wright brothers if everyone would wait for proper parts and proper material we would not be able to do powered flight to this day. No to mention that from the video its clear that Tesla designs are used to this day and modern tech depends on his inventions more now that it was during his life...
@@Bialy_1 As stated in the video, many of Tesla's inventions were never developed & cannot be even to day cause of material science. There NOT practical. The main Tesla invention-AC induction motor & A/C power use---was the best invention & of course practical.
I am a degree plus qualified mechanical design engineer and this description of the effects is far and away the best I have ever heard! I have subscribed and I’m looking forward to seeing many more of your videos. The only thing I would say is that whilst most people understand the idea of centrifugal force it doesn’t exist! As I was taught at university it’s centripetal force acting towards the centre of the rotation but as the diameter decreases so the force therefore it is greatest at the maximum diameter!
Um... Do an industrial application of power generating you wouldnt "NEED" a disk that is 3 meters in radius. You would aimply need more cells in an array of .3-1 meter turbines. Duh!. And we have the material tech now days to make such things. The reason why this is being rejected is because Nuclear would be almost obsolete if they started making hydro electric of coal burning steam electrical generation.imagine, if you will, having a car where you use a small pump the supple plain and simple water through one of these ultra high efficiency turbines. Thich then turned and generated a massive amount of electricity. Which, with modern, science, technology, electrical etc, would produce more than enough energy to turn the motor which turned the driveshaft... Which tas an integral part of the pump. So basically, the pump moves the water through the turbines, the turbines generate electricity which runs the motor which moves the drive shaft to the wheels, which moves twater through the pump.
@@Ureallydontknow 1) Not 200 years. Tesla as 1856-1943. 2) Many of Tesla's designs were viable. This one ... somewhat (as stated in video). However, Tesla had huge impact on workable designs still in use...for example with AC power and motors. 3) One of the remarkable aspects of Tesla's career was that he did much of the creative work solo.....in his case it was remarkably less a case of 'all those people trying to make it work'.
@@xsystem1 there is a big difference between not understanding how things were made and not understanding how to use his designs to improve modern technology. Imagine how far behind we would be if not for AC or the induction motor.
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No you wouldnt. You were uninterested to begin with. You only find this interesting because you are watching youtube videos at your leisure. There are so many things being thought in school that are interesting and yet here you are wanting to add some more like the rest of the people saying "they should have thought this in school". No thank you! Albert einstein, and the rest of the famouse scientist are enough for us. I dont want to graduate highschool at the age of 50.
This looks like a great starting point for some Sci-Fi where we have a material strong enough for Mach 13 spin rates and can get incredible efficiencies from this turbine.
@@justingrey6008 Yes, but you forget to take in to account what he said in the video. In order to use these efficiently, the discs would need to be 3 meters, jet engine doesn't use a 3 meter disc to operate, they use fans and they usually spin at around 3k rpm, not 50k
Ikr, it would be so different from today and I believe this world would also be a lot better. He once stated too that in order to grow the overall human research, we ought to look into things spiritually and not just materially, so I believe a lot of things wouldn’t be that bad today
@@Ken19700 do some more research. You're right about that as well but Edison for sure had some government connections helping Jim out because he was an American and Nikola was a Croatian immigrant. The U.S. was a super nationalist country back in the day.
@@Afro.G. Looking at RUclips videos and reading conspiracy theories is not research. No one in the US cared that Einstein was an immigrant, or Elon Musk for that matter. Read a book.
@@TheCrimsonBlade2 1) he said mach 18, not 50k iirc. 50k is the RPM he gave, you might be getting them mixed up. Massive difference 2) human history is full of things people said were impossible. Hence the previous poster's comment.
I wish Tesla had not been beat out by Edison. We would be way ahead of where we are now in technology. We should test and investigate all of his notes, inventions and research. He was a genius - and competition destroyed him.
No we wouldn't. Almost none of Tesla's inventions actually work in reality. If he'd "beat" Edison, we'd still be scratching our heads trying to make his seemingly genius but practically or literally impossible inventions work rather than having improved the airfoil turbine little by little over the years until we achieved something 95% as good and enjoyed ever-improving lifestyles all the time rather than being stuck waiting around for Tesla's problems to be solved. The vast majority of technological progress has been made in steps, not in breakthroughs.
Great video! There is another basic turbine configuration that wasn’t mentioned. That is the API 611 solid wheel steam turbine which is commonly used in the petroleum industry. The design uses buckets machined into the outside of the wheel which enhance the power transmission capability of the drive over a straight up Tesla design. The advantage of the solid wheel API 611 turbine over conventional axial flow bladed turbines (which are more efficient) is that the solid wheel design can handle liquid slugs which are often present due to poor quality steam that falls below superheated temperatures as it is pumped to the turbine. It is hard to keep pressurized steam in the superheated state when transported from the boiler to the turbine.
@@wildfirekingdom9466 there are a hand full of other more viable options than using marble. thank god we dont live in the stone age. Modern alloy, ceramics and composites provide us ample opportunity to fab discs for steam duty like this at scale.
Tesla has got to have been from another planet. That’s the only solution to one person being so ahead of his time with absolutely everything he touched.
Also explains why the government seized everything the man invented and kept secret in his safe the day he died. They still haven't released the documents or even General descriptions of the inventions he had in there
What it seems unrealistic now as engineer could be kids play in the future. Tesla still ahead of our current time and we still has long way to go to catch the application of some of his concepts. Best regards and be safe
I like how the RPM of the 3 meter disk was assumed and not the fluid flow velocity. Since the turbine works on skin friction, the average speed of the disk cannot exceed the average speed of the fluid. At the tips, if the disk is spinning faster than the fluid, then the fluid will actually be slowing it down rater than speeding it up. You could have just said that you would need the fluid to flow at Mach 18 to spin the disk fast enough, and that's assuming the material could handle the centripetal forces, which they can't. There's no way we are making a hypersonic fluid flow contained in a pipe in the first place, regardless of if the disk could handle the forces. It's a non starter on multiple fronts.
The problem started for me when he quotes rpm for the tesla then says mach speeds to compare the current turbine blade tips speeds. Fact 1: the 6" tesla needed to spin at 30000rpm to be efficient at 6" diameter, but a 6 foot diameter turbine doesn't need the same rpm to have the same speed at its outer edge which is the crucial factor. Big turbines don't need the same rpm as small ones, no matter what type.
At 7:50 he compares the diameter to a modern steam turbine. Wouldn’t a true comparison be comparing the torque output regardless of the size? Like what if a Tesla turbine only needed to be 1.5 meters to do the job a 3 meter modern turbine could do.
@@prowhiskey2678 I work on jet engines and my best guess would be materials still. We have a small engine that does 40-60k rpm but the diameter of its rotor is around 6-8 In blades included. Last time I heard of one of those letting go it sawed the engine in half and left 2 inch dimples in the top of the enclosure. The walls of the enclosures for those engines are made of 1/2in steel with a sound deadening material held in place by a perforated metal sheet. One chunk went through a window and passed through a set of standup lockers (think high school hall lockers) 8-10 ft from the engine before imbedding itself in a file cabinet well beyond that. If we have that much trouble with something that small I don't want anywhere near a 5ft rotor doing 40-50K... Plus I kinda question how long it'd take to get it spinning that fast. Thats a lot of mass to get moving. Then if you need it stopped though if you start pushing liquid the other way... ok stopping may be easier but still lot of mass to slow. At this point I think we still need to be working on a material that can withstand that level of force first. Though strangely I've slowly been questioning if metal is the right direction for some things. Yeah the properties of it are great but is there something we've been missing elsewhere. I know composites aren't there yet but that's an example of looking elsewhere. Sadly my answers for that are probably either 60years or one solid alien invasion off
@@Dawgsofwinter what kind of material were they using? I’m wondering if there is a material available but that it’s too costly to be viable. I also wonder if a type of carbon fiber disc might be better.
@@andrew5576 Not sure off the top of my head and frankly too lazy to dig through manuals to be certain. But the I'm pretty sure the rotor isn't anything to exotic or such and I'm positive the casing isn't either. I know some of the engine is titanium but which parts yeah. The Hot sections have a few oddball metals but frankly you'd be amazed what you can do with properly directed air to keep things from getting hotter than they should. @TheChzoronzon you haven't been around some truly insane fanboys then have you... Life's not fun till you hit a Telsa coil show. And if you wanna try one at home ya gotta know enough about physics to pretzel em enough to be awesome without being fatal.
@@TheBoyar so you Didn’t watch the video. Tesla’s design, wean scaled up to modern detentions, is nearly 2.5x more powerful than anything wear currently using. The reason wear Not using it is because we Still lack a strong enough material to withstand the generated rotational force.
@@cpowerbpower3339 if the idea was to replace modern turbines with sized up versions of Tesla’s than yes your correct. But consider Tesla’s stance on power generation and distribution.
You know you are onto something interesting when you build something and it OVER performs... It gets TOO fast or TOO strong. When its the material strength of the hardened steel that is holding it back. At that point, whatever it is; can be counted as an engineering marvel.
@I love you but For overperforming he meant that it was so powerful it didn't even work. It has not to do with expectations but with actual results: Tesla's expectations, as a scientist, was to build something that worked. He did, but worked too much haha
Engineering is the process of using technology to create the possible. If you come up with something brilliant but it doesn't work it is an engineering failure.
@@kennethfharkin It actually works though. Certainly it's not about practically using the turbine, but reaching that incredibly high speed. The turbine reaches it, and then starts to break, not allowing it to be used as a turbine.
@@TheTechmaster1999 Lowering the RPM lowers the efficiency making the design less efficient than a traditional turbine so... not really a solution. If something has to destroy itself at the point where it becomes efficient it really isn't efficient.
@@samueleproiettimicozzi8134 "It works" isn't exactly accurate. The theory is proven to be sound with efficiency increasing as predicted at higher speeds but the theory falls apart in execution. Tesla's turbine almost certainly never reached the optimal speed and would have destroyed itself well before nearing it. As an engineer myself I refuse to call anything an "engineering marvel" which flat out does not work and this thing doesn't if you are trying to use it as it was intended. Now it functions to some degree as a pump depending on the application but I doubt we will ever seen a Tesla turbine operate as people imagine at anywhere near projected efficiency given the material and manufacturing limitations likely to be present for at least another hundred years and if we ever overcome those limitations a more suitable solution will have already be developed.
The Tesla turbine was supposed to produce his electrostatic compressional waves, it is necessary to get 30k RPM minimum. I understand now, how this is so much superior to what he was using before.
"electrostatic compressional waves" 4:31 how do those smiling balls hold hands? like what are their hands made of? what did they think those hands were made of in the 1900's? could be thought of as electrostatic forces? at 6:11 that is a pressure wave of steam could someone describe that as "compressional waves"? but your right produce is wrong if you think it means is the end result, it would have been extract or utilize, but if you use the word produce as a method such as the machine by producing a electrostatic compressional waves internally can harvest the energy from the steam, to do this in the best way it must spin at 50,000+ RPM. tesla's design is the "superior" one for efficiency we use we just lack the capability to build it. their is a story where Mozart/Beethoven I forgot which one made some fast music that could not be played on pianos of the time with out breaking them.
@@Amipotsophspond Tesla’s apparatus for variable high speed frequency was a way of producing high frequency static electric waves. The wheel turned by the turbine would need to have a wider diameter(maybe around 3 feet diameter) , and I believe Tesla said 400 tungsten pins on the outer perimeter, and one(more are possible if the frequency is timed correctly) on the apparatus. The pins should be positioned so that the gap is as small as practicable. When the turbine gets the wheel up to 35-50k RPM’s, the frequency would be 400 times greater. The speed of the air controllers the speed of the wheel....the wheel is with a charges, so all tungsten points have potential, only the one closest the opposing pin will discharge. In that way speed of the wheel can be maintained indefinitely, and only the friction of the bearings a heat consideration in the making of that high frequency
@@Amipotsophspond nothing I have said is commenting on the fluid dynamics explained in this video. Only how this apparatus was incorporated to his other high frequency/potential apparatus.
@@FireBeam I am not completely sure. You need a flat bifilar, and it should be made to the specs Tesla laid out. I spent two years figuring out how to make a very high quality flat bifilar. You need one spark(Tesla defined the spark as a crack- so even the spark from a static electric connection is sufficient), a spark. It can be in a vacuum, and it will take very little energy to initiate the spark. The spark must be interrupted around a million times per minute......well as a starting point. So a wheel that has an RPM of about 15,000-50,000 is of great value. If one affixes 400 tungsten rods of a perfectly even distance, between one another, and from the spark.....and then the air is variable, so the RPM can be varied.
engineers live between the rock of the laws of physics, and the stone wall of what the customer wants - literally a rock and a hard place, and its easy to get crushed between them. Just because something is possible, that does not mean it can be practical, or cost effective compared to another approach. For example, in the 1950s we thought in the future we will have flying cars and personal robots. We dont have personal robots like Rosy on the Jetsons, but we do have all sorts of computer controlled devices that take messages, look up information for us, wash and dry our clothes, cook our food and make bread without intervention, control the speed and braking and to some extent the steering of our vehicles (cars, trains, jets, helicopters...) We dont have one robot that does all those things, like Robbie in Forbidden Planet. Instead we have many devices that do things for us, so we dont have to.
@Imjust Observing Tesla wasn't the brilliant genius people make him out to be. If this was such an amazing invention, why is it NOT in use anywhere in the US? This WOULD be the best generator for use in hydroelectric plants if it was truly as revolutionary as people claim it is. Please name one thing Tesla invented that has been used in mainstream production anywhere at anytime in history. You can't. None of his parents have ever had any practical or real world value. Nothing he invented remains revolutionary or has any lasting or profound effect on anything. Tesla died broke and alone in a hotel room where he was a recluse who believed aliens beamed the ideas in to his head. He had embezzled money from his most wealthy benefactor, diverting funds to other projects which is why he wound up in this position.
@@ehomelessvillageidiot3051 you do understand that he needed to sell patents to have any money and do you know about alternating current probably not since he invented it and we ARE using it today and it was immposible to make a bigger version of this turbine and you do see that it Is used today but not for their original purpose but instead it Is a pump.
@@alagui7894 One look at the wikipedia page for AC motor will tell you that Tesla wasn't the first by years. Don't get me wrong, he was a gifted inventor and decent engineer but BOY is he overrated in history.
To reach the '97% efficiency' that he claimed, Tesla set up a design with secondary or even tertiary turbines. The outlet of the first flowing into the inlet of a secondary turbine and so on. It's a great design that is underused for turbines and especially for pumps.
The genius of Nicola Tesla is indescribable!!! A man well ahead of his time. Just imagine if this man was here today and have available to him today's materials and technology. Imagine Tesla working together side by side with Musk. What a wonderful world it would be.
This video is one of the best. The graphics are crisp, colorful and elegant, like the old-school instructional videos of the by-gone era. Produce more videos like this please. This video has Disney-class graphics.
Hi, just a question. 0.4mm gap is mentioned, where did this dimension come from. The research I have seen indicates 0.5mm at low speeds up to 1mm over 40/45K RPM with anything under 0.5mm. .decreasing output. Cheers John
Wouldn't the next upgrade to the system naturally involve multiple smaller tesla turbines since the size of the discs is the limiting factor? Seems weird that it would go through such an evolutionary path but the question of micro scaling wouldn't be brought up. You could then scale the system up to handle the same amount of input and you would dramatically improve longevity as well by having less strain on the system. We also have materials such as microfiber nanotubes among others with incredible properties.
I'm no mechanical engineer, but I think the issue is that to achieve high efficiency, tesla turbine requires high rpm. And only way to get high rpm is with larger discs. And no way to attain longevity for such a size discs in such a high rpm. So the system has a inherently self-defeating logic. It doesn't scale well to micro because the efficiency relies on the exponential nature of the system.
@@aohige Turbochargers in road vehicles can spin at 150,000 rpm. This is while creating tremendous amounts of heat. I'm not sure that the total size of the machine matters much in relation to the size of atoms and the mechanics that create motion. All the ratios between the parts remains the same so if you scale the machine down I would reason that rpms stay the same, reliability will increase and output would decrease. I've seen several examples of individuals creating 'discs' that spin fast. With several exploiting this angular velocity specifically for destructive results. They make them big and heavy because it's counter-intuitive to them surviving high rpm's. When you make these discs small and light they can handle much higher velocities. It's a basic requirement of this condition. I thought this was a glaring hole in the logic. This is where I think the true exponential nature comes from the idea. The size doesn't matter because you can just proliferate the system and as you get smaller you get more reliable. In my opinion I would think that tesla turbines in series would compound the loss of efficiency until it's no longer as valuable. Although this could be counteracted if limited to a series of 3-4 while maintaining higher velocities, such as 150,000rpm. I'm not sure of the exact math but Tesla reached about 96% efficiency with his setup at around 30,000 rpm. If he could achieve 99% or even 99.5% efficiency and looped the turbines only 3-4 times he could achieve the results he desired. Then you could just proliferate these systems until output is achieved.
The efficiency of tesla's invention is based on how much energy you get from the flow. This energy is a centripetal force exerted onto the disk and is a function of the drag on the disk, this drag is affected by the surface area. Minimizing the size reduces the area which reduces drag thus reduces the force and efficiency. The problem with the disks being too big for that speed is caused by an engineering concept called "moment" not the time concept but rather the behavior that raise the magnitude of forces. To understand moment in a simple way try opening the door by pushing near the handle it's easy because it is away from the hinges of the door that are on the other side. But try pushing the door open halfway through the door it gets harder and harder as you get closer to the hinge which would likely lead you to exert all your strength and barely make the door move this is because you are getting closer to the axis of rotation and the weight of the door cause a frictional force at the hinge which your body can't win against unless your force is increased. Moment is force x distance from the axis of rotation. More distance = more moment which means less of need to exert more force. But with this concept when it comes to going 50,000 rpm on 3 meter disks, at the edge of the disk 3 meters away from the axis of rotation you have more moment so much more that the material in fact every material will fail because we don't have knowledge of any material that can withstand that much exerted force. The only thing we know that's large and can spin fast is neutron stars that spin at 9% the speed of light but they have so much mass and gravity holding them in place that a tea spoon is literally a compressed earth.
@Daniel Hani Nope. Go and make a tesla turbine that's twice the size of the original and tell me how many rpm's it can handle before becoming a fragmentation grenade. Then do the same with half the size and compare the results. You can do this at home with common materials and a basic motor. You're arguing that drag is lost as scale is downsized but I would also argue that mass is lost as well. This system is more dependant on ratios than it is on magnitude. You can merely scale them down, the ratios between parts remains the same, output and input descreases but efficiency rises. You replace lost output with proliferation and you achieve success. There's been dozens of channels turning spinning discs into weapons and everytime it's the size that makes them so unwieldly. This is almost common sense. Increasing the strain on the same atomic bond is not smart. If the argument is whether the same mechanics applies to smaller parts? with less mass? I'd say yes....
@@hackersulamaster I don't understand why no one on the internet knows how to spell "dependent". I do understand why they don't know how to use quotes.
As a member of The Domain with the bulk of his spiritual being on Space Station 33 in the asteroid belt at the time of animating the body of Tesla, it’s perfectly natural what he did. Just imagine what you could do with your spiritual memories from previous lives intact.
@@thomasnorris7285 You’re right sir, it’s obvious a lot of people remain poor due to ignorance, it’s better to take risks and make sacrifices than to remain poor
@Shannon Berry °investing in crypto as a newbie was very difficult due to lack of experience which resulted in losing my fund ....but Sarah Ann emergence restored hope
@@thomasnorris7285 Nothing beats engaging an expert in any trade, selfishness and greed has deterred many from doing this and they ended up running a huge loss
I'm not a mechanical engineer but i took some physics related courses in college. So, I think this video is pretty interesting. Makes me wanna take some more classes from a mechanical engineering department.
It's amazing how he made inventions that we just didn't have materials for at the time, This makes many of his inventions future-proof, Meaning when we get stronger materials like we have today, We can use them!
Thats a good way of putting it, in fact this can be an advantage in high volume thruput setups where stealing a portion of the heat with high thruput becomes an excellent device
There is a very fundamental difference between torque converter and Tesla turbine. Torque converter doesn't depend on the viscosity of the working fluid. Tesla turbine wholly depends of the viscosity to couple the moving fluid and discs.
Problem: The U.S. electrical grid operates at 60 Hz, which means that, at any given moment, the electrical generators hooked up to it generally *must* spin at 3600rpm to correspond to the induction/magnetic field between the rotor and stator. A generator being spun at tens of thousands of RPM would not even be compatible with the Hertz and phasing of the electric grid. You would have to add some sort of complex gearbox (again made out of wonder-materials) between the turbine shaft and the generator shaft to reduce generator rpm. And that extra gearbox would result in a loss in overall efficiency. And as others have mentioned, not only would the discs, themselves, have to have wonder-material-strength, so would the bearings holding up the shaft, and the lubrication within that bearing, and the seals where the spinning shaft penetrates the turbine housing. The lube system might have to get more complex as well to carry enough heat away from the bearings (extra heat exchangers, etc). The overall system would not necessarily be more simple than current systems just because one component (discs) are more simple than another component (blades).
@@jesseprete2792 but according to the video, that limits your efficiency, which defeats the whole point. in order to get their miraculous (theoretical) efficiency numbers, the speed needs to be high.
@@jesseprete2792 I believe worm gears would do wonders to reduce RPM greatly with the fewest fast spinning parts. There are materials of extreme strength for heat and friction, particularly fluid friction for fighter jets. They're also unfortunately difficult to machine but sure would be awesome to somehow get discs flat enough. Just did some googling and I wonder if making half discs with coolant flows machined out so that when they're put together coolant can run through the disc and keep it thermally stable. Kinda wanna try it now.
I'm not an expert but I've been told that because of the failure rate no bank will give you a loan for a wind turbine that has a gearbox. We have a little 6kw turbine with three phase AC output. The frequency of the AC will depend on the wind speed so it's all rectified to DC, merged together, and then through an inverter to 50hz AC. It can then sync with the grid and it makes about £6000 ($8283) per year, it's windy here!
Possible options. But similar to a gearbox, every time you convert energy form, there are energy losses. So best case scenario, you max out at 3% losses through the Tesla turbine, then maybe 5% losses through the electric generator it spins, then 20% losses through the rectifier, then 5% losses through the inverter, before you reach your step-up transformer (which has its own losses) and go to the grid. So your 97% efficiency has dropped down to 70% or lower. And the extra equipment adds complexity and expense.
This is one of the best technical/scientifig/engineering videos I have ever seen. Concise, clear, REALLY explains the subject well, goes deep enough for even one with Msc. in physics like myself to enjoy and learn new things, yet accessible to quite every watcher. Animations are so good... and narration is great. Well... I think I would pay to see this video and by all means use it as standard educational material in schools. VERY WELL DONE.
I highly recommend anyone to look into Tesla’s life story- As well as many other things he was trying to create wi - fi way back in 1900s the man was a pure genius
I remember something about wireless electricity. There are phones that wireless charge today, but it's not very efficient if you consider it for household appliances. When you consider 8 watts vs 5 watts to charge a phone it seems less consequential though.
Honestly are you this fucking deluded by your lack of education ? There were MANY tecs of that era that KNEW that satellites were possible, in the 30 s they knew that mobile phones were possible. They knew computers were possible but the technology wasn't available
He had the default of thinking too highly of himself and his ideas, as he was incapable of imagining he could be wrong. Without this default, he would have been much better. Many scientists have had a much larger impact on science.
viscocity is beautifully described with the interesting animation... great and great...i am a fan of this team!...i feel sometimes, we missed such teaching aids to understand the concepts of physics... when i was studying engineering... may be we would have understood much better...however no regrets!
I remember seeing photo's of a Tesla technology motor, what was really most surprising was not the ten horsepower rating, the surprising thing was that it would fit into the palm of your hand.
Why did I never heard of this guy at school? I'm 60+. the only ones were Einstein, lot about him, and Edison. Even in today's media and schools nothing about him. His name only came famous by Elon Musk and his electric cars (Tesla). But from what I have read until now, he was the genius.
The Problem is, his ideas did not fit the world's consumption based model. Anything that can not be sold is discarded or hidden from us until they find a way to sell it to us. We are lucky that Solar energy, Oxygen and Water (which we as a species can not live without) are still free and in our grasps (most countries at least). but future generations will pay for it because those organizations that are supposed to stop pollution will make sure of that (by not doing crap against pollution)
You've heard of Edison because he invented the corporate laboratory: success doesn't get the actual inventor as much, but failure doesn't cost them as much either, so it makes innovation-based businesses practical as an ongoing concern. Edison did actually invent some other stuff, but corporate labs are the really _important_ bit. As for Einstein, his theories effectively disproved some of how Tesla thought things worked- both of them thought quantum mechanics was bunk, but Einstein proved it by trying to disprove it, while Tesla just rejected it. Further, the stuff towards the end of his life didn't pan out, whether his death rays (mercury was involved in some, and unavoidable the usage would have been a disaster to the surrounding area), his wireless power distribution (there was no way to charge for it, and so no way to support it- further, he was aiming for _worldwide_ distribution, which effectively would require a worldwide empire to governmentally fund it), and likely various other things that I'm not thinking of. Finally, while he had a strong showman streak, he also tended to be secretive in some aspects, which resulted in some misconceptions about him even from his fans.
Leonardo Da Vinci had the same problem with the inventions that he devised on paper. Many would have worked except he didn't have the right materials to make them. Tesla a man ahead of his time.
So basically Tesla turbines are analogous to reversible heat engines. With heat engines, you can transfer heat from hot chamber to cold chamber, extracting work. Or put in work, and move heat from cold chamber to hot chamber. Tesla turbine moves fluid from high pressure chamber to low pressure chamber, extracting work. Or, if work is put in, it can move fluid from low pressure chamber to high pressure chamber. In essence, the Tesla turbine is a pressure engine, the P-domain counterpart to the heat engine's T-domain.
@@DStanford94 Well we probably have more than that on the planet currently. The sad thing is that theres a high chance the most geniuses are living in some poor rural area where they can never reach their potential
@@CptUhudini Nothing hard about building flying cars. The problem with all crackpot ideas is the basic laws of Physics. Who would want to fly in a car that gets ten miles to the gallon and operates in three dimensions when your eyes and senses can only operate in two dimensions at a given time. Even with the most powerful computer and positioning satellites nothing can predict the unpredictable and what other influences can occur. No insurance company would ever insure your flying car.
Went to his house in Belgrade Serbia a couple years ago, it's a pretty awesome little museum with a bunch of his gadgets and working models you can interact with.
Tesla never lived in Belgrade, Serbia. You visited the museum. If you want to visit his house of birth where he lived before going to faculty (house turned into museum), you need to go to Smiljane in Croatia.
Nicola Tesla: "I am limited by the materials of my time." Scientists in the future: "Keep going, we still haven't found materials strong enough for your machine."
@@ngotranhoanhson5987 I mean if we can reach the same efficiency at a fraction of the weight and complexity and we just need stronger material, the Tesla turbine would be the preferred turbine for anything where weight is a concern. If only we can engineer one.
The basic principle for the Tesla Turbine is well presented, but there are considerable number of secondary, as the speed ratio between the steam and the disks, and tertiary dynamics such as the turbulence in the boundary layer (which is the transfer energy vector ) when the relative speed between the fluid and the disk is changing are not noted at all, and these by themselves affect hugely the efficiency of the turbine. Also note these "bumps" in the shaft, these are fluid bearings (!!!). For those interested more, highly recommending "A new dimension for Power" book that represents some research and most of Tesla documented notes on the turbine.
This may be off topic, but I think someone might find it interesting. Piston style over unity electric generator. By AMA Motor segment: 1 motor with bar connected to it standing vertically circular disc connected to bar that has magnets embedded in it surrounded in high permeability material to focus magnets outward pushing force in an upwards direction from top of disc. Power Bar segment (Just name I gave it) Hollowed out cylindrical Bar of material horizontally positioned. donut shaped material with openings around its flat edge for magnets surrounded in high permeability material to be embedded. place these all along the cylindrical bar connected to it solidly. except at far ends of bar. At both ends of bar rings of material that can be magnetically repelled in specific locations (magnetically repelled in specific location is in reference to outside of ring area that faces away from center of bar)(Other side of same ring facing in towards center of bar is capable of magnetic repulsion all around) are connected solidly to bar. points of repulsion on these rings is off set from each other on each end of bar. 3 Hollow donut ring structure with connecting bar: Ring structure has all magnetic repulsion on inside of donut shape & and can rap around the main bar so that the bar wont be causing friction on things as it moves back and forth. 1st positioned around far left of bar, 2nd position center of bar & 3rd positioned on far right of bar. Tube structure is constructed in two parts that fit together on top of each other length wise over main structure & has openings for bar to the Ring structure that is connected around the main bar keeping it from causing friction on structure with it's magnetic padding. This tube structure is designed with material that does not block magnetic fields. Perhaps some type of transparent material glass or other. At both ends of the tube structure there is a built in groove that will house a disc, the groove has 4 points, top bottom left and right that has small magnets embedded in it on the inside so that the pushing force from magnets is pushing in towards the edge of disc that goes in this spot. The disc has ring around it that is repelled by magnetic fields so the 4 small magnets will keep it lined up but it will be able to spin without causing friction on structure. The disc has openings on it's flat side that face inside of tube and magnets surrounded in high permeability material are embedded in this disc. The disc has small bar that is connected to it that goes all the way to the other end of Power bar structure through the center of the hollowed out bar and connects to disc on other end. Disc on other end is set up the same but magnets embedded in it are off set in comparison. As first disc spins the magnetic fields will push against specific spot on disc connected directly to bar, pushing bar in other direction, once bar is fully pushed over, further spinning of disc will then align the other sides magnet to push it back. Tube structure also has half moon shaped protrusion on inside and on both halves so when tube is connected they line up to make a full ring shape on inside of tube, these half moon shaped protrusions have at least 1 small round opening on it's side in middle of curve that faces away from center of bar. The opening has a small magnet embedded in it so magnetic force is repelling out sideways away from center of bar. The protruding ring is positioned to line up slightly further in towards center of bar then the ring of magnetically repelled material connected directly to bar. This way when bar moves to right this magnet will act as a stopper keeping bar from going to far & same setup on other side will keep bar from going to far to left. Copper coil setup: copper coils are wound up as if wound around the width of wood board for a distance equal to width of magnetic ring setup on bar. Wound copper coils are then looped around the tube like a donut lined up perpendicular to magnetic fields. Ends of copper coils are connected into separate construct that will allow electrical current to flow somewhere else. Circular construct is built like a stand that goes around the outside of motor segment. Circular construct has flat ring of high permeability (magnetic field shielding) material that has small openings that will allow magnetic fields through specific locations. Top of circular construct has groove to allow the power bar to balance on. Circular construct can also be placed on other end of power bar so it is balanced. The motor segment is positioned so the disc connected to the bar that is connected to the motor is lined up so the disc passes under the power bars disc that is at end of power bar. The high permeability material keeps the magnetic field from the embedded magnets exerting their force upwards from hitting into the disc in the power bar until just the right moment when the impact will cause the disc in power bar to spin which will perpetuate the piston motion in the power bar. More power bars of the same design are built and positioned around the motor segment in a circular fashion all the way around. The bar connected to the motor can be increased in length to desired height and more of the exact same setup is repeated higher and higher up maximizing the over unity potential of the construct to ridiculous proportions. :D Current from the power bars is diverted to power the motor as needed and all other current is diverted to power my game console or the world. :) Interesting variation to this design would be to connect the spinning discs on far ends of power bar to main bar that magnets are connected to so the magnets spin instead of getting pistoned back and forth. So long as moving magnetic fields are perpendicular to copper wires it should work. By AMA
@Zakarii Tsuki idk lol. Same point either way. Rather they make it themselves or find someone else that can. Didn't feel getting that far into the specifics really mattered.
Steam turbines do not have a Mach number above 1, the tip speed may be well over 1000mph but Mach is measured relative to the local flow which is always below the speed of sound, if the Mach number was above 1 then the flow would choke (shock waves would also probably destroy the blading).
I'm so glad someone actually talks about tesla turbine drawbacks as well, so many videos out these talking about tesla turbine like it's some sort of perfection that engineers are blind to
I was part of team that built one of these for an Airforce design competition in college. We could reliably get ~94% efficiency with a closed loop superheated steam system harvesting exhaust heat from a small jet engine and got just below 96% efficiency in some ideal test cases. The main limiting factors were that the discs had to be designed to stretch uniformly without distorting at ~40k RPM and that the gaps between the disks had to be designed for an incredibly specific set of operating parameters (steam temp, pressure, velocity, etc.). The smallest variations, or while waiting for it to spin up, and we wouldn't even get close to those efficiencies. A lot of the initial designs weren't efficient enough to reach the right parameters at all.
Oh boy this warrants so many follow-up questions:
- Dual outlet or single?
- How many discs were used per outlet?
- What geometries were used in the outlet?
- What diameter went with that RPM?
- What was the measured torque output?
- Was (or how was) the design compounded?
- What materials were used for the discs that had those properties?
- Stated efficiency is presumed mechanical, how'd you calculate that efficiency? Was it measured output vs measured losses after the outlet?
- What was the name of the competition? Who did you represent or were associated with? I want to find it online or know what I'd need to file a Freedom of Information request with the government because having access to those results would be a game changer for anyone seeking investment in the technology.
I'm not looking to call you a liar but you did just say you'd achieved well over twice anyone else's stated efficiency numbers. While I can imagine what you're saying could be true it's still well beyond what anyone has actually demonstrated. So "extraordinary claims = extraordinary evidence" still applies here. Nothing personal! :)
@@Cheebzsta Nah dude I was there. It's true
@@consumemilk8005 Not a valid answer
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@@Cheebzsta Honestly, it was years ago and I don't remember most of the details but I'll give you what I got.
-It used an exhaust manifold with a single exhaust port going into the turbine. The port was also optimized for laminar flow over the disks. The turbine had dual axial exhausts which recombined in a baffle at the manifold's intake.
-Around ~15 disks, can't remember exactly.
-Turbine exhaust was a circular cut around the axle, broken up by three supports with rounded chamfers. The disks mimicked that but were individually keyed to give the ports a slight offset. The offset actually eked out a bit more (read as "miniscule") efficiency in testing, likely due to artificial radial extension of the fluids path toward the axle.
-Around ~10in diameter disks.
-Not sure exactly how this design came about except our professor was interested in a practical execution of the turbine and it fit the competition requirements.
-The disks were made of a pre-stressed stainless steel alloy. They were individually laser cut then tested at expected RPMs for any unexpected deformations. The vast majority of all disks didn't meet our specs and got tossed out. I think we could only use about 1 in 20 disks by the end of it.
-It was primarily a mechanical efficiency and as soon as you throw an alternator on there it's a completely different story. It was measured relative to the steady-state properties of the steam at turbine intake vs turbine exhaust and the kinetic energy of the disks and axle. We measured efficiencies throughout the entire system but that one was the main focus. The most inefficient part of the system was just heating the steam with the jet exhaust without impacting its thrust too much. Surprisingly difficult to do. There was a fair amount of doctoral research on tesla turbines that we used as the basis of our design and which achieved similar efficiencies but it was all at similar or smaller scales. For the amount of effort there aren't really any practical applications for a turbine like this.
-I can't remember the name but it's an annual competition (different goals each year) based out of Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, Ohio. This one was in 2014 and we were representing the University of Michigan Aerospace Engineering department. It was a shockingly informal process so I'm not sure how much info you could find but if you do look into it and find anything let me know. I'd love to revisit it all.
This animation and explanation really deserves a lot of credit.... this is really good stuff, well done!
No it does not, they should have performed actual experiments to back up what they're saying instead of cartoons. Cartoon videos, like NASA, does not prove anything. Shill RUclipsr exposed.
I want to add it here so it is visible. But there is actually a way to make the Turbine 10x smaller, but using the "Super Critical Carbon Dioxide."
It is a real thing that they can make regular turbine 10x smaller.
Another thing that people don't mention. There are 3 inventions on the same shaft:
1. Tesla turbine (takes steam and spins it)
2. Tesla pump (Propels moleculs from the center outwards, creating a vacuum)
Both amplify one-another.
3. Air-bearing on both sides. The vacuum-pumps on both ends give more power to the Tesla turbine in between them, and also create a suction for the air-bearings.
There are videos of people literally FREEZING steam using the Turbine and Pump in combination. By having the math on all of these right, you can achieve perhaps 99% efficiency. By using the Super Critical Carbon Dioxide, you can down-size it 10x.
You can have a look at the video by a man way more knowledgeable than most men or women out there, on this issue:
"A Better way to Make Electricity WITH CO2"
Tesla's genius was finding solutions to problems. By doing so, he also created a few problems which, therefore, made him even more inventive.
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08:30 Yet theres a nutter who wants to launch satellites by this method! And other idiots who invested 100M in this impossible stupid idea! 🤦♂️🤣
If only any of them knew basics physics or could search on YT for this video etc!
@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 You mean he wants to YEEET them?
This turbine created more problems. Even at his worst, Teala created bigger things.
As the saying goes, "We've taken the first step in creative problem solving; we've created an interesting problem."
Its wild knowing he sometimes had trouble distinguishing reality from the thoughts in his own head. He was basically a genius who was hallucinating in his everyday life
Sleep deprivation will do that to you.
Not wild at all, he was just a bit weird.
He had a tendency to mix religious zealotry with engineering on occasion in ways that just made him sound like a lunatic.
The truth is that he was a decent engineer, perhaps even gifted.
But not a genius.
If Galileo Ferraris had Westinghouse's ear before Tesla then he would be a nobody today.
Westinghouse made Tesla, in return Tesla turned around after his death and promptly erased Westinhouse's entire contribution to the electrification effort all while heaping the glory on himself - it's actually pretty tragic.
Basically everything positive that popular media says about Tesla is down to other people, mainly Westinghouse and Ferraris.
I think he was untethered from what we call "reality". But if we're being honest, our "reality" is very much just a limiting view of the universe in which we try to contextualise EVERYTHING, so that it makes sense from our very limited perspective. I think Tesla was ego-less and therefore able to see limitless realities that he was comfortable knowing he couldn't comprehend.
He needed a lab. For his ideas. He should have kept working with Westinghouse.
well he had OCD
Tesla was a genius! Not because his inventions were something that no one could make, but exactly because they were very easy to make if you knew which scientific principal i can be applied to which part of an invention.
I think that's what makes him a genius.
Exactly its so simple but so wisely put together that its just genius.
Tesla the only known man who had basically the 3D CAD in his head, namely when he was asked why his machinery in almost all of the cases worked out first time.
He replied because I assembled them in my head and try multiple variations until it work in my head only then I build tem in a RL .
That statement was on the trail when his lab suddenly burned without any reason (or maybe Edison ...?) with all the documentation in it.
Tesla was shocked but he rebuild all of his machines out of his head in 2 months, it was miracles for his co workers.
Way ahead of his day, died a pauper but left riches for all humanity. God Bless.
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That's actually the definition of a genius, simplifying something for everyone to understand. "In Layman's terms" 👍😅
Man really said
"I'm limited by the technology of my time"
Technology is just knowledge.
That's Howard Stark!
I want to make a time machine but ""I'm limited by the technology of my time"
Except he would still be limited today. It's impossible with materials on this planet to make a disc 3m and have it spin at 50,000 RPM without mechanical failure. His design works, it just isn't as efficient as other designs. That's all. Still a cool piece of machinery and still shows his genius.
@@coolcat1530 what if we did have material that could handle that rpm tho, would it be outputting a lot of power?
Some concrete pumps use Tesla discs because they can flow chunky materials, as long as a certain size of grain is not exceeded.
The grain thickness can't go past the thickness of the space between the disks
wow, thats a solid pump
Don't they use rotary pumps for that?
@@the_flying_fox yeah I'm pretty sure.. you can't even find T pumps on the used market, I dont know where a concrete company would get them
@@the_flying_fox Yes, many concrete pumps are rotary.
Being a civil engineer who has studied fluid mechanics for 3 semester I am totally flabbergatsed by Tesla. This is mind blowing..
Tesla was robbed by anyone and everyone he came in contact with, incredible man, out of this world.
Heh... look at all his stuff regarding vibration. Electrical guy, sure... but he practically invented vibration analysis...
Can we dam a shallow sea and build water based power plant?
@@noob-kun7768 There are power plants that work on the sea tides, rising and lowering, if that's what you mean?
That's cause you are studying a religion not science.
That was an excellent way to explain boundary layer theory in a simple manner! The rest of the video is also great.
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Can we dam a shallow sea and build water based power plant?
'True dat. Very effective animation and narration.
Nowadays the blades could be made out of titanium which is used in jet engines and turbines which can hold a great deal of heat without distortion and coming apart and allows you to push the boundaries and hold together have a good day
Finally someone fully explained why we don't use Tesla turbines in powerhouses. I work on steam turbines in the powerhouses during shutdowns. Most of the engineers I have talked with didn't even know what a Tesla turbine was, let alone why we didn't use them.
That might change once material science improves.
Why not use gearing to lower the rpms
Tesla the only known man who had basically the 3D CAD in his head, namely when he was asked why his machinery in almost all of the cases worked out first time. He replied because I assembled them in my head and try multiple variations until it work in my head only then I build tem in a RL .
That statement was on the trail when his lab suddenly burned without any reason (Edison ..? ) with all the documentation in it.
Tesla was shocked but he rebuild all of his machines out of his head in 2 months, it was a real miracle for his co workers, they wrote later that this was basicaly impossible task it should take 2 years not 2 months
@justan idiot your nick suit you
@@vasiliansotirov6976 Because it’s not the output that is the issue. It is the speed of the disc to achieve maximum efficiency.
the simplicity of the design just makes it cooler
"Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication."
-Leonardo Davinci.
More simple something is. The more design time spent
The design concept is simple but the forces and Physics utilized are way past modern steam turbines
KISS principle
I want to build one with a hollow axle for the exhaust, hopefully it'd be strong enough. There'd have to be small holes in the axle between disks, which may complicate the fabrication process
I was a new graduate electrical engineer at Allis-Chalmers Corp. at the research division in West Allis, WI in 1961. At that time, A-C owned the Tesla turbine patent, and I worked beside a fellow mechanical engineer who had been assigned the task of running tests on a compressed air driven Tesla turbine. To load the turbine, a war surplus B-29 engine turbocharger [A-C had made these during WWII, and a few were still lying around] was shaft driven by the test Tesla turbine. A-C was one of the USA manufacturers of steam turbines at that time, and therefore the performance of the Tesla turbine was of interest. After the tests, a full report was written, but is probably lost today, as A-C went out of business in 1986. I am happy to see that others have pursued testing of the Tesla turbine, and have added to the knowledge base. As an interesting side note, Nicola Tesla himself was hired by A-C as an engineering consultant in the early 20th century as revealed in a report on file that my fellow engineer found in the A-C archive. As is well known, Tesla was rather eccentric in his habits. He could not stand to stay overnight in West Allis for some reason, spending his nights out in suburban Waukesha, and commuting by electric rail each workday to the West Allis works. That report too is probably lost.
Interesting history remark. What applications do you think the turbine is best suited for in the power industry?
@@ricardobautista-garcia8492 he stated that himself in his autobiography. He was a boy in Lika (Croatia) and read a travel brochure about Niagara Falls which stated the flow rate and surmised that it was an untapped power potential.
idk why this was recommended to me, but this is quite interesting.
Same here. Subbed anyhow. Lol
Same here! Thats a really good invention but humans cant handle it 😂😂
it was Tesla himself,blessing you with a glimpse into his world lol.jokes aside,this guy needs way more respect paid to him than he has had.
Same and subbed, yee yee
Indeed. Now i can make my turbine.
If Tesla was alive today what wonders could he come up with?
This guy was a true genius.
Yes true comment, but they wait till he's dead before he becomes famous, after taking his ideas from becoming world known
probably we can play game with quantum computer with no electrical bill XD
He had vision flash into his mind of perfectly created machines. Amazing.
He'd slap Elon Musk, and point out electric cars were common in the 1890s.
Conquer whole universe finding 👽
This actually helped me figure out pressed fuse glass. You can make glass really thin by pressing it between two kiln shelves, but the thinner it gets, the more it pulls on the kiln shelves, and the more it picks up kiln wash/kiln paper (intended to keep glass from just gluing to the kiln shelves. 3/16" or 4.5 mm can be pressed without destroying the kiln wash coating. 2.5mm cannot.
Glass does have a surface tension and "wants" to be about 6 or 7mm thick.
Maybe float your glass on a molten metal? I work glass mostly on a propane/oxygen torch, have tried a little fusing here and there. At some point I saw some videos or toured an old factory (memory is faulty). I think they used lead or tin .
@@RedSeedlesslive The surface tension determines glass thickness. Floating on metal will make it 6-7mm thick.
Elon Musk might be able to help you. He knows a lot about glass thickness. He even demonstrated this on a truck named after our man Tesla. What a coincidence!
He created something so powerful and effective that it was too much for the materials he was using.
Nikola Tesla may have had OCD, but he was the Chad of engineering.
Who’s Chad ?
@@APBCTechnique Chad Tesla vs Incel Edison
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If you go further down the rabbit hole of his patents you’ll find that he started chasing the efficiency, adding Venturi system that would drop pressure on the output and increase pressure on inputs.
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@@1islam1 how is this even related to science 🤦...
Edison after seeing this: Edison's turbine
Ill give you a gazillion dollars for it
This turbine has much lower efficiency than any modern turbines. The problem was that at that time there were no technology to produce the blade turbines
@@natteft6593 Oh really? The guys at iEnergySupply beg to differ. What this vid doesn’t say is Tesla said that pulling a vacuum on the exhaust increases efficiency by 50-100%! When used in a small form factor, in combination with a simple but specific generator geometry that uses non-ferrous magnets, this technology is absolutely perfect for every home to generate all the energy it would ever need using warm water.
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@@DozenDeuce pulling a vacuum costs energy, which reduces the performance. I'm not sure how the energy is meant to be enhanced more than the forces are offering.
@@1SweetPete I guess in space, vacuum would be no problem to achieve. The problem would be that you are leaking steam in space :)
When your idea is so great, not even your era's best resources can't withstand its strength
I am reminded of the movie “Iron Man 2” where Howard Stark designs the mega-molecule but he just doesn’t have the technology to make it himself so he leaves it up to Tony to complete.
To be fair, that can be said about many things. "If only i could build a material stronger than any other known material, my invention would work". Right?
@@mikesteffensen6017 "How many inventions that require you to say that exist currently as concepts brought up by humans?" would be a nice question.
That’s the same problem as now. We can make the small scale ones work with modern materials, but we still can’t use them for their intended Purpose of powering homes and cities.
Their ‘Impossible’ not because it can’t be done, but because we don’t have a strong material to withstand the rotational force at that scale.
He literally invented something around 100 years ago, that wear still around 100 years from being able to properly use.
@@mikesteffensen6017 with the right nonexistent materials one could actually make a perpetual motion machine.
The video animation designs produced are just superb. Thanks to the Lesics team.
You had explained the boundary layer concept so easily my professors can’t even get near.
This is the standard explanation for BL in any textbook.
I've learned boundary layer from culinary while explaining viscosity
@@v.n.sukumarviruputturnagar1365 yup sir but with all respect I want to say that we all have textbooks to learn and understand anything in this world even rocket 🚀 science but if everyone can do that we never need teachers.
But if not everyone some still needs teachers and professors to understand the concepts.
Neither Every student is self made brilliant nor every professor is a brilliant teacher.
Are you black?
@@timothyandrewnielsen are you a white incel?
Imagine building something so efficient, that it breaks itself apart
Making out of control machines is easy... but you need to be Tesla to be hailed for it in the XXI century.
It's frightening how ole Nikola (a gifted engineer and a lousy "scientist" with mental issues) has gone from unjustly unknown to a cringey and hilarious Pop semi-God in just a couple decades.
@@TheChzoronzon yes
@@TheChzoronzon Could you expand on what you mean by lousy "scientist" when it comes to him? I'm curious to hear more.
@@jasongamer8649 He didn't find a single equation in his entire life, nor wrote any scientific paper of note, nor had any rigurosity in his experiments, or in expending the money of his patrons in a sensible way.
Later in his life, he became the laughing stock of the scientific comunity, refusing to accept basic concepts as... the damn electron!! Of course, forget about relativity or quantum mecanics, both of which he utterly refused to believe in too...hilarity ensued
Nowadays, any second year electric engineer knows an order of magnitude more about electromagnetism than ole Nicola
Even the Wikipedia calls him: "an inventor, electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, and futurist" but not a "scientist"
When Dale Alfrey found his lost journals, they included gems like " that in 1899, while in Colorado Springs, Tesla intercepted communications from EXTRATERRESTIAL BEINGS (lol) who were secretly controlling mankind."
etc, etc
@Uncle Nik awww what a pristine example of butthurt projection... must be the aliens, controlling your mind hahaha
If we had time machines, I would love to use one to bring Tesla to the future so he could continue his experiments with new tech. Man was a legend of his time and I bet if he lived today he would make something even greater.
I suspect the technologies of the future would be too much for him actually. Guy had a history of taking credit for others work and doing things entirely freestyle without actually understanding what he was working with.
Not to say he was entirely clueless,... the guy was brilliant. But in a mad scientist sort of way. Thats probably why people like him,.. he is far from the standard when it comes to brilliant minds.
But he'd blow himself up without a doubt.
Although I do have to admit, I am also curious what he would come up with before he met his certain doom.
To amend what I said tho, out of fairness... most inventors and brilliant minds of the past, and even today, stole the ideas and/or work of others and claimed it as their own. So take it however you will :/
I already went back in time and accomplished this feat. Ofc Tesla changed his name so as not to seem creepy being alive/dead at the same time. He now goes by Mike Lindell. I hope this helps you sleep better!
No one has time machines as time doesn't exist except in people's heads. People use pattern machines to go back, electro-magnetic-spin pattern machines, as in what all matter is made of, the concepts of the electric, magnetic and spin fields knotted. Pons and Fleischman were unwittingly unwinding matter in their "jam jars" by closing off their rods from the rest of the multi-verse via these three fields, the electric and magnetic fields were partially locked out using the rod currents and the bubbling liquid shut down the spin part of the field and so the material partially unwound releasing its energy. The reason protons don't decay as the present particle theory says they should is because they are maintained by their connection to the rest of the multi-verse but shield them magnetically, electrically and spin-wise and they disappear across to the other side of the mirror to their anti-proton life going backwards in pattern and release a puff of energy in this reflection going forward. The same thing happens with people who "shuffle off this mortal coil" and go back in pattern in a never ending cycle of death in this reflection followed by rebirth on the other side and on and on and on. Tesla would understand it but Einstein was as thick as two short planks. Religion is about freeing us from this cycle and bringing us all to the here and now.
i would introduce him to a magic substance called weed,he probably tried it anyways,his best friend was Twain,and he loved,as he called it "hasheesh" which was a very concentrated marijuana thingy....
Agreed
I think Tesla's idea was that given sufficient materials capable of taking such forces it could achieve 97% efficiency.
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Can we dam a shallow sea and build water based power plant?
My thoughts as well…..
Engineering mostly about doing the thing with the materials you have, not the materials you want.
He never produced anything that worked.......
Something even more incredible that was illustrated in this video but not talked about is the "Tesla Valve". This man was an absolute genius.
The channel already have a video on it
Yes, simplicity like that blows my mind. Math has in some degree destroyed the Teslas of the world, its made science less accessible to the budding geniuses.
The Tesla valve is less impressive than this. The valve does not fully work.
“Engineering impossibility” is another way to say “we haven’t figured it out yet”
If your invention can't even be realized more than 100 years later and by the time it WOULD become feasible, it would be obsolete, then your invention is useless for practical application.
No, it's a way of saying it's not worth the effort.
We can suppose there's a material yet to be invented that would support the RPM needed to make these work. If we have to do 30 years of RnD to find it the project isn't worth doing.
Items like parachutes were mathematical sounds in Leonardo da Vinci's time. Yet it took modern materials to make it. No one sat down and tried to make the idea work. The original project was forgotten in time.
This too was a project forgotten to time.
Many engineering projects are physically possible but not worth the effort. Engineering isn't physics, it's applied science and the human part application is important.
@@gregheffly With the exception that in this case, If we would be able to create materials strong enough to withstand the RPM.....this kind of turbine would be obsolete. A parachute hasn't become obsolete because a fitting material was found and is hence a bad analogy.
@@gregheffly Da Vinci's parachute was terrible and not used. Other inventors actually took his design and improved upon it, shortly after his time. Parachutes needed both better designs and motivation. They didn't understand the physics yet, and it wasn't until basic fluid mechanics was developed in the 18th century as well as hot air balloons that the modern design was attempted.
I don't think this was forgotten to time, because its the limit of the angling, but you are completely right about the physically possible part.
The other question is why do we want that level of RPM? It would induce efficiency on an industrial applications further down the line. To me it sounds like it would have more use in micro-form factors outside of steam where this would pick up efficiency again.
the premise behind da Vinci's parachute was using logs to form a support structure foe the wind to catch and be buffered through a funnel hole.
that kind of idea for a parachute is long dead. the funnel hole was neat and taken but the support structure was terrible, and as time marched on we found out that a good design will capture air as its own support structure.
this is a friction turbine, like the old parachute, there's an idea taken from this, then the rest is discarded. low slip boundary layers sounds is a good idea. the rest is trash
TESLA : "It seems that I have always been ahead of my time. I had to wait nineteen years before Niagara was harnessed by my system, fifteen years before the basic inventions for wireless which I gave to the world in 1893 were applied universally."
we have to wait more for Tesla Turbine because we dont have strong enough material this monster :)
Coat it with graphene problem solve.
@@Gol_D_Roger_The_Pirate_King not strong enough
@@emDce Unfortunately, this is all by design. As long as the population fights each other, they leave their slave masters alone.
@@cg56578 The tax farmes have gotten quite efficient.
There is a new material das experiences no heat expansion from 4 to over 1000k. This could aid smaller tesla engines to work, but not big ones.
Quick comment from a Psychology professor entirely ignorant of engineering principles. The graphics of this video are stunning, and make the whole process crystal clear. Thank you!
"The Man who Invented the 20th Century" is a great read if you want to know more.
no edison invented 20 century, tesla invented 21 century
@@TAZmannTAZ actually if you read your history properly Edison stole his DC stuff from Tesla and stole his Film stuff from LaPrince and stole his Electric light stuff from Joseph Swan.
"Edison, the man who claimed the best inventions of the 19th Century as his own".
In a interview Tesla was asked, what was his greatest contribution to the World! Tesla said, my contribution is for future generations, a 100 years from now, people will understand my contribution!
That interview was in 1920s
Sad that Elon Musk and Tesla never have met each other …
@@ReneArtoisMr I really hope you mean to see Elon marketing the Tesla inventions and solving his needs and not that Elon is an inventor.
@Anno Elon Musk and Tesla are fundamentally different people.
Tesla is an Brilliant Inventor while Elon is a Clever Salesman.
Both are very good at what they do but quite different from each other
@@xiro6 being an inventor is nice, but achieving something is great.
@@ReneArtoisMr Yeah I think Telsa would hate Elon, he'd see Elon as another Edison. Now Nikola Tesla and Howard Hughes, those two would have gotten along fantastically.
Damn! Serbian people must be really proud of Tesla🤘Greeting from Scandinavia ❤️
Yes, after his death they were proud.
The international unit of magnetic flux density is the tesla, named in honor of N. Tesla.
i would argue that teslas efficiency number is correct, just because it cant reach that in practice doesnt change that is its theoretical efficiency, you just need a lighter yet still strong material to make the parts out of, which may be possible in a future alloy
Yes you're right! I hope we'll be able to achieve it in the future.
Probably something to do with carbon
We have some lighter and stronger alloys now
Yes.
The guy who made this video is a bit on the negative side.
I'm an inventor and I don't like to say that it can't be done but how can it be done and try it, see if it works.
And can't you make smaller ones and string the output together?
Can't you make room for expansion?
Can't you find ways to cool it? Use liquid nitrogen to cool it, or ammonia. Ammonia while heated up becomes cold.
I love how Nikola Tesla’s Inventions can all be summed up as “ it works to good to work practically”
If it was practical to apply that that would make it good, otherwise no good. That is the whole point. Many inventions are out there that are great theoretically, but without the materiel science to bring it to life, none of these inventions are practical. My friend with Phd in Physics tells me this.
@@sevencostanza3931 Yeah but Tesla sort of an bodies that way of thinking
@@sevencostanza3931 the hilarious thing is that all of teslas claims have been-or are in process of being-proven. The dude was tony starks dad, ahead of his time, been dead for years and we are still getting schooled by him. You’re on a tesla device just by sending a message.
@@sevencostanza3931 "My friend with Phd in Physics tells me this." yea and you forgot to mention that noone knows him contrary to the Tesla...
Tesla work revolutionized the world, the guy was building RC models in XIX century and there was no material for this type of job.
Similar story with Wright brothers if everyone would wait for proper parts and proper material we would not be able to do powered flight to this day.
No to mention that from the video its clear that Tesla designs are used to this day and modern tech depends on his inventions more now that it was during his life...
@@Bialy_1 As stated in the video, many of Tesla's inventions were never developed & cannot be even to day cause of material science. There NOT practical. The main Tesla invention-AC induction motor & A/C power use---was the best invention & of course practical.
I am a degree plus qualified mechanical design engineer and this description of the effects is far and away the best I have ever heard! I have subscribed and I’m looking forward to seeing many more of your videos. The only thing I would say is that whilst most people understand the idea of centrifugal force it doesn’t exist! As I was taught at university it’s centripetal force acting towards the centre of the rotation but as the diameter decreases so the force therefore it is greatest at the maximum diameter!
Can we dam a shallow sea and build water based power plant?
Nobody gives a fuck about your credentials. Always remember this.
"...engineering impossibility!" something Tesla would not say.
It is not impossible, they simple don't have the materials to support the high RPM.
@@danigui8573 Turbo in cars can spin up to 200,000. turnover
@@przemekkamieniarz Turbos aren't meters wide like power plant turbines.
@@ArgyleBitstream But the power plant's tine does not have to reach 50,000 revolutions. Turbines in airplanes also make a lot of revolutions
Um... Do an industrial application of power generating you wouldnt "NEED" a disk that is 3 meters in radius. You would aimply need more cells in an array of .3-1 meter turbines. Duh!. And we have the material tech now days to make such things. The reason why this is being rejected is because Nuclear would be almost obsolete if they started making hydro electric of coal burning steam electrical generation.imagine, if you will, having a car where you use a small pump the supple plain and simple water through one of these ultra high efficiency turbines. Thich then turned and generated a massive amount of electricity. Which, with modern, science, technology, electrical etc, would produce more than enough energy to turn the motor which turned the driveshaft... Which tas an integral part of the pump. So basically, the pump moves the water through the turbines, the turbines generate electricity which runs the motor which moves the drive shaft to the wheels, which moves twater through the pump.
Tesla is probably my favorite human of all time. This man is the ultimate legend.
Its amazing that we are still trying to unlock the potential of someone who lived in the 1800's.
That almost proves that after 200 years the designs were never viable even with all those people trying to make it work.
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1) Not 200 years. Tesla as 1856-1943.
2) Many of Tesla's designs were viable. This one ... somewhat (as stated in video). However, Tesla had huge impact on workable designs still in use...for example with AC power and motors.
3) One of the remarkable aspects of Tesla's career was that he did much of the creative work solo.....in his case it was remarkably less a case of 'all those people trying to make it work'.
reading your comment, I remember the great pyramid of egypt. until now we can't actually point out how they exactly did it
@@Ureallydontknow He Was Smart Enough To Compartmentalize.
@@xsystem1 there is a big difference between not understanding how things were made and not understanding how to use his designs to improve modern technology. Imagine how far behind we would be if not for AC or the induction motor.
Too bad they didn't have this in school when I was a kid. I would have listened and learnt from this more than a gvt. Worker
shhhhhhh... .. they didn't banned toys in the '50 s because they were dangerous..can you image if everyone had GPHS-RTG power at home by now....
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@@TibiSitibira all we get are books with text with 5-10% information. Its sucks to be a visual typ when you cant use it. Thats why i love this channel
No you wouldnt. You were uninterested to begin with. You only find this interesting because you are watching youtube videos at your leisure. There are so many things being thought in school that are interesting and yet here you are wanting to add some more like the rest of the people saying "they should have thought this in school". No thank you! Albert einstein, and the rest of the famouse scientist are enough for us. I dont want to graduate highschool at the age of 50.
That was the best simple explanation of a tesla turbine that I have seen, I'm glad you also explored the engineering challenges. Thanks for the video!
Tesla Turbine: Suffering from success
This looks like a great starting point for some Sci-Fi where we have a material strong enough for Mach 13 spin rates and can get incredible efficiencies from this turbine.
Right
Look into the speeds jet engine operate at. Spinning a simple disk at a high rpm, by comparison, is easy.
I refuse to believe this as long as Tesla gets even one penny of Government funding.
What interesting plot can you make from that starting point?
@@justingrey6008 Yes, but you forget to take in to account what he said in the video. In order to use these efficiently, the discs would need to be 3 meters, jet engine doesn't use a 3 meter disc to operate, they use fans and they usually spin at around 3k rpm, not 50k
One of the smartest men in the world.
Thank you
That’s why they killed him
Hes right up there with DaVinci
Was*
@@davidnavarro6278 yeah the energy companies
I've been to the river several times, indeed on the edge of the water, the water moves slightly, while in the middle it moves quickly.
That's why every time person drowns in middle not on boundary
and sometimes it even moves backwards..
That happens with blood inside circulation too.
@@plazmica0323 indeed
If only Tesla could've lived the life he deserved instead of being destroyed by Edison's government connections. Our world would be AMAZING!
Ikr, it would be so different from today and I believe this world would also be a lot better. He once stated too that in order to grow the overall human research, we ought to look into things spiritually and not just materially, so I believe a lot of things wouldn’t be that bad today
Tesla was just a poor business man. No Edison conspiracy necessary.
@@Ken19700 do some more research. You're right about that as well but Edison for sure had some government connections helping Jim out because he was an American and Nikola was a Croatian immigrant. The U.S. was a super nationalist country back in the day.
@@Afro.G. Looking at RUclips videos and reading conspiracy theories is not research. No one in the US cared that Einstein was an immigrant, or Elon Musk for that matter. Read a book.
So so true buddy...!!!
I hear the words "engineering impossibility" and my jimmies are rustled
same. Time will always defeat that argument
@@NeoTechni Okay: Mach 50k is an engineering impossibility incompatible with human existence in earth's atmosphere. Rustle.
@@TheCrimsonBlade2 1) he said mach 18, not 50k iirc. 50k is the RPM he gave, you might be getting them mixed up. Massive difference
2) human history is full of things people said were impossible. Hence the previous poster's comment.
@@TheCrimsonBlade2 OK, Mr Pizza Cutter
Can you imagine the damage caused by a Mach 13 disc failure, though!!!
When your boundry to overcome is no longer knowledge or technologie.
But the physical limits of matter.
I'm going have nightmares about those smiley-balls with long hands and white gloves... thanks 😥
lol
The ones with 4 arms? Lord help us.
@@shirothehero0609 XD
be thankful they were not "two by two hands in blue"
It's okay to have nightmares of those things. be a man!
I wish Tesla had not been beat out by Edison. We would be way ahead of where we are now in technology. We should test and investigate all of his notes, inventions and research. He was a genius - and competition destroyed him.
believe me, not this one would have done it sooner or later
No we wouldn't. Almost none of Tesla's inventions actually work in reality. If he'd "beat" Edison, we'd still be scratching our heads trying to make his seemingly genius but practically or literally impossible inventions work rather than having improved the airfoil turbine little by little over the years until we achieved something 95% as good and enjoyed ever-improving lifestyles all the time rather than being stuck waiting around for Tesla's problems to be solved. The vast majority of technological progress has been made in steps, not in breakthroughs.
@@QuesoCookies youre full of it.. MOST of modern power plants, generation and distribution are ALL Tesla designs..
Great video! There is another basic turbine configuration that wasn’t mentioned. That is the API 611 solid wheel steam turbine which is commonly used in the petroleum industry. The design uses buckets machined into the outside of the wheel which enhance the power transmission capability of the drive over a straight up Tesla design. The advantage of the solid wheel API 611 turbine over conventional axial flow bladed turbines (which are more efficient) is that the solid wheel design can handle liquid slugs which are often present due to poor quality steam that falls below superheated temperatures as it is pumped to the turbine. It is hard to keep pressurized steam in the superheated state when transported from the boiler to the turbine.
His mistake was using metal. Marble wouldnt warp. It would only break if it was already cracked. Has anyone ever tried it?
@@wildfirekingdom9466 you may be right, but I wonder if marble could handle the G forces of that high of RPM's? A marble disk might explode?
@@sarakajira solid marble shouldnt have a problem. It’s very dense
@@wildfirekingdom9466 there are a hand full of other more viable options than using marble. thank god we dont live in the stone age. Modern alloy, ceramics and composites provide us ample opportunity to fab discs for steam duty like this at scale.
Tesla has got to have been from another planet. That’s the only solution to one person being so ahead of his time with absolutely everything he touched.
Think along the lines of Quantum Science
Also explains why the government seized everything the man invented and kept secret in his safe the day he died. They still haven't released the documents or even General descriptions of the inventions he had in there
He was a real Inventor, probably the last one.
@Paul Robert oh. Silly me. Thanks for your well informed and eloquent rebuttal.
I love how you go more into the detail with showing graphs and explaing the boundairy layer etc
What it seems unrealistic now as engineer could be kids play in the future. Tesla still ahead of our current time and we still has long way to go to catch the application of some of his concepts. Best regards and be safe
I like how the RPM of the 3 meter disk was assumed and not the fluid flow velocity. Since the turbine works on skin friction, the average speed of the disk cannot exceed the average speed of the fluid. At the tips, if the disk is spinning faster than the fluid, then the fluid will actually be slowing it down rater than speeding it up. You could have just said that you would need the fluid to flow at Mach 18 to spin the disk fast enough, and that's assuming the material could handle the centripetal forces, which they can't. There's no way we are making a hypersonic fluid flow contained in a pipe in the first place, regardless of if the disk could handle the forces. It's a non starter on multiple fronts.
*ehem*
Vibranium 🥴
The problem started for me when he quotes rpm for the tesla then says mach speeds to compare the current turbine blade tips speeds. Fact 1: the 6" tesla needed to spin at 30000rpm to be efficient at 6" diameter, but a 6 foot diameter turbine doesn't need the same rpm to have the same speed at its outer edge which is the crucial factor. Big turbines don't need the same rpm as small ones, no matter what type.
Never say there's no way, you spoil the fun of imagining what if there's a way it can be done!
What if you used "melted snow" as the fluid? Antarctic snow is very cold and when it melts, it's super pure.
@@greenwave819 snow is literally just water, i dont get your myths but theres nothing special about it
At 7:50 he compares the diameter to a modern steam turbine. Wouldn’t a true comparison be comparing the torque output regardless of the size? Like what if a Tesla turbine only needed to be 1.5 meters to do the job a 3 meter modern turbine could do.
Yes, with a rpm like 4 times higher, the disc can be a lot smaller
@@prowhiskey2678 I work on jet engines and my best guess would be materials still. We have a small engine that does 40-60k rpm but the diameter of its rotor is around 6-8 In blades included. Last time I heard of one of those letting go it sawed the engine in half and left 2 inch dimples in the top of the enclosure. The walls of the enclosures for those engines are made of 1/2in steel with a sound deadening material held in place by a perforated metal sheet. One chunk went through a window and passed through a set of standup lockers (think high school hall lockers) 8-10 ft from the engine before imbedding itself in a file cabinet well beyond that.
If we have that much trouble with something that small I don't want anywhere near a 5ft rotor doing 40-50K... Plus I kinda question how long it'd take to get it spinning that fast. Thats a lot of mass to get moving. Then if you need it stopped though if you start pushing liquid the other way... ok stopping may be easier but still lot of mass to slow.
At this point I think we still need to be working on a material that can withstand that level of force first. Though strangely I've slowly been questioning if metal is the right direction for some things. Yeah the properties of it are great but is there something we've been missing elsewhere. I know composites aren't there yet but that's an example of looking elsewhere. Sadly my answers for that are probably either 60years or one solid alien invasion off
Ey! You two above, stop! This is a place exclusively for clueless Nicola fanboys, keep your physics and common sense outta here, please...
@@Dawgsofwinter what kind of material were they using? I’m wondering if there is a material available but that it’s too costly to be viable. I also wonder if a type of carbon fiber disc might be better.
@@andrew5576 Not sure off the top of my head and frankly too lazy to dig through manuals to be certain. But the I'm pretty sure the rotor isn't anything to exotic or such and I'm positive the casing isn't either. I know some of the engine is titanium but which parts yeah. The Hot sections have a few oddball metals but frankly you'd be amazed what you can do with properly directed air to keep things from getting hotter than they should.
@TheChzoronzon you haven't been around some truly insane fanboys then have you... Life's not fun till you hit a Telsa coil show. And if you wanna try one at home ya gotta know enough about physics to pretzel em enough to be awesome without being fatal.
Tesla requires material science that’s more than a hundred year ahead of his time. Maybe even now.
The dude taped into radio waves before anyone even know what those wear.
Maybe for you.
@@TheBoyar so you Didn’t watch the video.
Tesla’s design, wean scaled up to modern detentions, is nearly 2.5x more powerful than anything wear currently using. The reason wear Not using it is because we Still lack a strong enough material to withstand the generated rotational force.
@@cpowerbpower3339 if the idea was to replace modern turbines with sized up versions of Tesla’s than yes your correct.
But consider Tesla’s stance on power generation and distribution.
@@sycho-tech5104 i don't think you understand materials.
I cannot imagine how terrifying it would be to be near 3 meter disks spinning at 50 grand.
50 grand? Those are some expensive disks.
@@khymaaren Disks that could go 50k rpm at 3m diameter would cost a hell of a lot more than $50k
pretty sure the Gs on that shit would be way too high
@@khymaaren fifty thousand rpm duh.
@@walkertongdee "Grand" means a thousand unit of money. It's not used to mean simply "thousand". It's sarcasm. Duh...
Can we take a moment to appreciate how GORGEOUS the animation is ???
Agreed , just simple plus effective enough for everyone to follow, and for most - get the point.
You know you are onto something interesting when you build something and it OVER performs... It gets TOO fast or TOO strong. When its the material strength of the hardened steel that is holding it back. At that point, whatever it is; can be counted as an engineering marvel.
@I love you but For overperforming he meant that it was so powerful it didn't even work. It has not to do with expectations but with actual results: Tesla's expectations, as a scientist, was to build something that worked. He did, but worked too much haha
Engineering is the process of using technology to create the possible. If you come up with something brilliant but it doesn't work it is an engineering failure.
@@kennethfharkin It actually works though. Certainly it's not about practically using the turbine, but reaching that incredibly high speed. The turbine reaches it, and then starts to break, not allowing it to be used as a turbine.
@@TheTechmaster1999 Lowering the RPM lowers the efficiency making the design less efficient than a traditional turbine so... not really a solution. If something has to destroy itself at the point where it becomes efficient it really isn't efficient.
@@samueleproiettimicozzi8134 "It works" isn't exactly accurate. The theory is proven to be sound with efficiency increasing as predicted at higher speeds but the theory falls apart in execution. Tesla's turbine almost certainly never reached the optimal speed and would have destroyed itself well before nearing it. As an engineer myself I refuse to call anything an "engineering marvel" which flat out does not work and this thing doesn't if you are trying to use it as it was intended.
Now it functions to some degree as a pump depending on the application but I doubt we will ever seen a Tesla turbine operate as people imagine at anywhere near projected efficiency given the material and manufacturing limitations likely to be present for at least another hundred years and if we ever overcome those limitations a more suitable solution will have already be developed.
The Tesla turbine was supposed to produce his electrostatic compressional waves, it is necessary to get 30k RPM minimum. I understand now, how this is so much superior to what he was using before.
"electrostatic compressional waves" 4:31 how do those smiling balls hold hands? like what are their hands made of? what did they think those hands were made of in the 1900's? could be thought of as electrostatic forces? at 6:11 that is a pressure wave of steam could someone describe that as "compressional waves"? but your right produce is wrong if you think it means is the end result, it would have been extract or utilize, but if you use the word produce as a method such as the machine by producing a electrostatic compressional waves internally can harvest the energy from the steam, to do this in the best way it must spin at 50,000+ RPM. tesla's design is the "superior" one for efficiency we use we just lack the capability to build it. their is a story where Mozart/Beethoven I forgot which one made some fast music that could not be played on pianos of the time with out breaking them.
@@Amipotsophspond Tesla’s apparatus for variable high speed frequency was a way of producing high frequency static electric waves. The wheel turned by the turbine would need to have a wider diameter(maybe around 3 feet diameter) , and I believe Tesla said 400 tungsten pins on the outer perimeter, and one(more are possible if the frequency is timed correctly) on the apparatus. The pins should be positioned so that the gap is as small as practicable.
When the turbine gets the wheel up to 35-50k RPM’s, the frequency would be 400 times greater. The speed of the air controllers the speed of the wheel....the wheel is with a charges, so all tungsten points have potential, only the one closest the opposing pin will discharge.
In that way speed of the wheel can be maintained indefinitely, and only the friction of the bearings a heat consideration in the making of that high frequency
@@Amipotsophspond nothing I have said is commenting on the fluid dynamics explained in this video. Only how this apparatus was incorporated to his other high frequency/potential apparatus.
Like a Van der Graaf static generator?
@@FireBeam I am not completely sure. You need a flat bifilar, and it should be made to the specs Tesla laid out. I spent two years figuring out how to make a very high quality flat bifilar.
You need one spark(Tesla defined the spark as a crack- so even the spark from a static electric connection is sufficient), a spark. It can be in a vacuum, and it will take very little energy to initiate the spark. The spark must be interrupted around a million times per minute......well as a starting point. So a wheel that has an RPM of about 15,000-50,000 is of great value. If one affixes 400 tungsten rods of a perfectly even distance, between one another, and from the spark.....and then the air is variable, so the RPM can be varied.
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This is an engineering challenge, not an impossibility.
Thank you for saying that, beat me to it 😉
engineers live between the rock of the laws of physics, and the stone wall of what the customer wants - literally a rock and a hard place, and its easy to get crushed between them.
Just because something is possible, that does not mean it can be practical, or cost effective compared to another approach.
For example, in the 1950s we thought in the future we will have flying cars and personal robots.
We dont have personal robots like Rosy on the Jetsons, but we do have all sorts of computer controlled devices that take messages, look up information for us, wash and dry our clothes, cook our food and make bread without intervention, control the speed and braking and to some extent the steering of our vehicles (cars, trains, jets, helicopters...)
We dont have one robot that does all those things, like Robbie in Forbidden Planet. Instead we have many devices that do things for us, so we dont have to.
more about da $$$ impossibility than physical metallurgy
Their ‘Impossible’ not because it can’t be done, but because we don’t have a strong material to withstand the rotational force at that scale.
@@sycho-tech5104 or because we have to find solutions to this problem in some way
Tesla was a genius. Probably one of the most underrated/unknown scientist in the general public compared to the impact of his inventions
@Imjust Observing Tesla wasn't the brilliant genius people make him out to be. If this was such an amazing invention, why is it NOT in use anywhere in the US? This WOULD be the best generator for use in hydroelectric plants if it was truly as revolutionary as people claim it is. Please name one thing Tesla invented that has been used in mainstream production anywhere at anytime in history. You can't. None of his parents have ever had any practical or real world value. Nothing he invented remains revolutionary or has any lasting or profound effect on anything.
Tesla died broke and alone in a hotel room where he was a recluse who believed aliens beamed the ideas in to his head. He had embezzled money from his most wealthy benefactor, diverting funds to other projects which is why he wound up in this position.
@@ehomelessvillageidiot3051 inventive > Innovative in terms of intellect. Innovative>inventive inn terms of value. And tesla is a genius period
@@ehomelessvillageidiot3051 He invented the AC motor that gives us Alternating current to this day.
@@ehomelessvillageidiot3051 you do understand that he needed to sell patents to have any money and do you know about alternating current probably not since he invented it and we ARE using it today and it was immposible to make a bigger version of this turbine and you do see that it Is used today but not for their original purpose but instead it Is a pump.
@@alagui7894 One look at the wikipedia page for AC motor will tell you that Tesla wasn't the first by years. Don't get me wrong, he was a gifted inventor and decent engineer but BOY is he overrated in history.
To reach the '97% efficiency' that he claimed, Tesla set up a design with secondary or even tertiary turbines.
The outlet of the first flowing into the inlet of a secondary turbine and so on.
It's a great design that is underused for turbines and especially for pumps.
sadly efficiency is not as profitable. :( RiP tesla!
@@Maradnus that's what fins on a turbine are for, to make this exact system more efficient.
It is not underused. It just does not work well under load.
The genius of Nicola Tesla is indescribable!!! A man well ahead of his time. Just imagine if this man was here today and have available to him today's materials and technology. Imagine Tesla working together side by side with Musk. What a wonderful world it would be.
Musk is nothing like Nicola Tesla.
@@bender9000 yep, Musk is much more like Edison...
My fluid dynamics homework nightmares have come back...
I have just studied rotational physiscs in high school
You probably dont like the subject.
@@J1nKazama bb,,bn.b
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This video is one of the best. The graphics are crisp, colorful and elegant, like the old-school instructional videos of the by-gone era. Produce more videos like this please. This video has Disney-class graphics.
This channel is awesome to many engineers man...
Hi, just a question. 0.4mm gap is mentioned, where did this dimension come from. The research I have seen indicates 0.5mm at low speeds up to 1mm over 40/45K RPM with anything under 0.5mm. .decreasing output. Cheers John
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Wouldn't the next upgrade to the system naturally involve multiple smaller tesla turbines since the size of the discs is the limiting factor? Seems weird that it would go through such an evolutionary path but the question of micro scaling wouldn't be brought up. You could then scale the system up to handle the same amount of input and you would dramatically improve longevity as well by having less strain on the system. We also have materials such as microfiber nanotubes among others with incredible properties.
I'm no mechanical engineer, but I think the issue is that to achieve high efficiency, tesla turbine requires high rpm. And only way to get high rpm is with larger discs. And no way to attain longevity for such a size discs in such a high rpm. So the system has a inherently self-defeating logic.
It doesn't scale well to micro because the efficiency relies on the exponential nature of the system.
@@aohige Turbochargers in road vehicles can spin at 150,000 rpm. This is while creating tremendous amounts of heat. I'm not sure that the total size of the machine matters much in relation to the size of atoms and the mechanics that create motion. All the ratios between the parts remains the same so if you scale the machine down I would reason that rpms stay the same, reliability will increase and output would decrease.
I've seen several examples of individuals creating 'discs' that spin fast. With several exploiting this angular velocity specifically for destructive results. They make them big and heavy because it's counter-intuitive to them surviving high rpm's.
When you make these discs small and light they can handle much higher velocities. It's a basic requirement of this condition. I thought this was a glaring hole in the logic. This is where I think the true exponential nature comes from the idea. The size doesn't matter because you can just proliferate the system and as you get smaller you get more reliable.
In my opinion I would think that tesla turbines in series would compound the loss of efficiency until it's no longer as valuable. Although this could be counteracted if limited to a series of 3-4 while maintaining higher velocities, such as 150,000rpm. I'm not sure of the exact math but Tesla reached about 96% efficiency with his setup at around 30,000 rpm. If he could achieve 99% or even 99.5% efficiency and looped the turbines only 3-4 times he could achieve the results he desired. Then you could just proliferate these systems until output is achieved.
The efficiency of tesla's invention is based on how much energy you get from the flow. This energy is a centripetal force exerted onto the disk and is a function of the drag on the disk, this drag is affected by the surface area. Minimizing the size reduces the area which reduces drag thus reduces the force and efficiency. The problem with the disks being too big for that speed is caused by an engineering concept called "moment" not the time concept but rather the behavior that raise the magnitude of forces. To understand moment in a simple way try opening the door by pushing near the handle it's easy because it is away from the hinges of the door that are on the other side. But try pushing the door open halfway through the door it gets harder and harder as you get closer to the hinge which would likely lead you to exert all your strength and barely make the door move this is because you are getting closer to the axis of rotation and the weight of the door cause a frictional force at the hinge which your body can't win against unless your force is increased. Moment is force x distance from the axis of rotation. More distance = more moment which means less of need to exert more force. But with this concept when it comes to going 50,000 rpm on 3 meter disks, at the edge of the disk 3 meters away from the axis of rotation you have more moment so much more that the material in fact every material will fail because we don't have knowledge of any material that can withstand that much exerted force. The only thing we know that's large and can spin fast is neutron stars that spin at 9% the speed of light but they have so much mass and gravity holding them in place that a tea spoon is literally a compressed earth.
@Daniel Hani Nope. Go and make a tesla turbine that's twice the size of the original and tell me how many rpm's it can handle before becoming a fragmentation grenade. Then do the same with half the size and compare the results. You can do this at home with common materials and a basic motor. You're arguing that drag is lost as scale is downsized but I would also argue that mass is lost as well. This system is more dependant on ratios than it is on magnitude.
You can merely scale them down, the ratios between parts remains the same, output and input descreases but efficiency rises. You replace lost output with proliferation and you achieve success.
There's been dozens of channels turning spinning discs into weapons and everytime it's the size that makes them so unwieldly. This is almost common sense.
Increasing the strain on the same atomic bond is not smart.
If the argument is whether the same mechanics applies to smaller parts? with less mass? I'd say yes....
@@hackersulamaster I don't understand why no one on the internet knows how to spell "dependent". I do understand why they don't know how to use quotes.
Poor Nikola, he was born a few centuries ahead of time. He’s one of the most misunderstood geniuses
As a member of The Domain with the bulk of his spiritual being on Space Station 33 in the asteroid belt at the time of animating the body of Tesla, it’s perfectly natural what he did. Just imagine what you could do with your spiritual memories from previous lives intact.
@@CastleKnight7 go outside.
A few centuries ahead of his time?
Even in his time he was not a genius. If you put him into modern times, he would barely be qualified as "educated".
@@Diviance The reason that the lights are on and the AC motors which drive the world you live in are all his inventions.
People don't get smarter with time like you think they do, and advancement is both subjective and not linear.
All this balls down to having a good and paying investment, trying to solve human problems
When you invest, you’re buying a day that you don’t have to work.. I pray everyone reading this becomes successful.
@@thomasnorris7285 You’re right sir, it’s obvious a lot of people remain poor due to ignorance, it’s better to take risks and make sacrifices than to remain poor
Investing in crypto is a plan for the future so it's high time people understand the importance of investment
@Shannon Berry °investing in crypto as a newbie was very difficult due to lack of experience which resulted in losing my fund ....but Sarah Ann emergence restored hope
@@thomasnorris7285 Nothing beats engaging an expert in any trade, selfishness and greed has deterred many from doing this and they ended up running a huge loss
I'm not a mechanical engineer but i took some physics related courses in college. So, I think this video is pretty interesting. Makes me wanna take some more classes from a mechanical engineering department.
It's amazing how he made inventions that we just didn't have materials for at the time, This makes many of his inventions future-proof, Meaning when we get stronger materials like we have today, We can use them!
Its almost like a viscosity based "clutch" system- Or more to torque converter in a way- Though always "slipping"
Thats a good way of putting it, in fact this can be an advantage in high volume thruput setups where stealing a portion of the heat with high thruput becomes an excellent device
@@randyboone9352 ok then…
Yes, similar principle to a fluid coupling.
There is a very fundamental difference between torque converter and Tesla turbine.
Torque converter doesn't depend on the viscosity of the working fluid.
Tesla turbine wholly depends of the viscosity to couple the moving fluid and discs.
@@yashsvidixit7169 And vacuum
And centrifugal force
And infall
And thermal excitation
And thruput transfer
And exhausting properly
And on....
Problem: The U.S. electrical grid operates at 60 Hz, which means that, at any given moment, the electrical generators hooked up to it generally *must* spin at 3600rpm to correspond to the induction/magnetic field between the rotor and stator. A generator being spun at tens of thousands of RPM would not even be compatible with the Hertz and phasing of the electric grid. You would have to add some sort of complex gearbox (again made out of wonder-materials) between the turbine shaft and the generator shaft to reduce generator rpm. And that extra gearbox would result in a loss in overall efficiency.
And as others have mentioned, not only would the discs, themselves, have to have wonder-material-strength, so would the bearings holding up the shaft, and the lubrication within that bearing, and the seals where the spinning shaft penetrates the turbine housing. The lube system might have to get more complex as well to carry enough heat away from the bearings (extra heat exchangers, etc). The overall system would not necessarily be more simple than current systems just because one component (discs) are more simple than another component (blades).
couldn't one just separate the discs enough to limit the speed?
@@jesseprete2792 but according to the video, that limits your efficiency, which defeats the whole point. in order to get their miraculous (theoretical) efficiency numbers, the speed needs to be high.
@@jesseprete2792 I believe worm gears would do wonders to reduce RPM greatly with the fewest fast spinning parts. There are materials of extreme strength for heat and friction, particularly fluid friction for fighter jets. They're also unfortunately difficult to machine but sure would be awesome to somehow get discs flat enough. Just did some googling and I wonder if making half discs with coolant flows machined out so that when they're put together coolant can run through the disc and keep it thermally stable. Kinda wanna try it now.
I'm not an expert but I've been told that because of the failure rate no bank will give you a loan for a wind turbine that has a gearbox. We have a little 6kw turbine with three phase AC output. The frequency of the AC will depend on the wind speed so it's all rectified to DC, merged together, and then through an inverter to 50hz AC. It can then sync with the grid and it makes about £6000 ($8283) per year, it's windy here!
Possible options. But similar to a gearbox, every time you convert energy form, there are energy losses. So best case scenario, you max out at 3% losses through the Tesla turbine, then maybe 5% losses through the electric generator it spins, then 20% losses through the rectifier, then 5% losses through the inverter, before you reach your step-up transformer (which has its own losses) and go to the grid. So your 97% efficiency has dropped down to 70% or lower. And the extra equipment adds complexity and expense.
Just calculated (roughly) what a 200000 RPM turbo (big turbo) on a car had for it's "tip" speed and it came to about 2.7 Mach.
The blade design can handle the deformation, right?
@@mundymorningreport3137 They usually do, the bearings has the most wear.
This is one of the best technical/scientifig/engineering videos I have ever seen. Concise, clear, REALLY explains the subject well, goes deep enough for even one with Msc. in physics like myself to enjoy and learn new things, yet accessible to quite every watcher. Animations are so good... and narration is great. Well... I think I would pay to see this video and by all means use it as standard educational material in schools. VERY WELL DONE.
I highly recommend anyone to look into Tesla’s life story- As well as many other things he was trying to create wi - fi way back in 1900s the man was a pure genius
And the father of Radio Control. He was a huge believer in energy transmitted through the air. In other words the world all around us today.
I remember something about wireless electricity. There are phones that wireless charge today, but it's not very efficient if you consider it for household appliances. When you consider 8 watts vs 5 watts to charge a phone it seems less consequential though.
@@TimpBizkit It's sad he's mostly remembered for this one failed invention and obsession, not for his real and numerous contributions.
@@guesswho6038 he was a tragic character for sure. such a waste of greatness
Honestly are you this fucking deluded by your lack of education ? There were MANY tecs of that era that KNEW that satellites were possible, in the 30 s they knew that mobile phones were possible. They knew computers were possible but the technology wasn't available
I keep saying it, Tesla was one of the greatest scientists of all time!! His work was and still is unbelievable!! 🤯 🐐
and useless
He had the default of thinking too highly of himself and his ideas, as he was incapable of imagining he could be wrong. Without this default, he would have been much better.
Many scientists have had a much larger impact on science.
The 35000 rpm mechanical failure is just suffering from success for tesla
The video is lying. The faster it goes, the LOWER the effeciency is. at 35000 rpm the efficiency of this turbine would be very small
viscocity is beautifully described with the interesting animation... great and great...i am a fan of this team!...i feel sometimes, we missed such teaching aids to understand the concepts of physics... when i was studying engineering... may be we would have understood much better...however no regrets!
There's genius in Tesla - but there's some genius in such a good demonstration in this video. Hats off to the authors and illustrators.
I remember seeing photo's of a Tesla technology motor, what was really most surprising was not the ten horsepower rating, the surprising thing was that it would fit into the palm of your hand.
Why did I never heard of this guy at school? I'm 60+. the only ones were Einstein, lot about him, and Edison. Even in today's media and schools nothing about him. His name only came famous by Elon Musk and his electric cars (Tesla). But from what I have read until now, he was the genius.
The Problem is, his ideas did not fit the world's consumption based model. Anything that can not be sold is discarded or hidden from us until they find a way to sell it to us. We are lucky that Solar energy, Oxygen and Water (which we as a species can not live without) are still free and in our grasps (most countries at least). but future generations will pay for it because those organizations that are supposed to stop pollution will make sure of that (by not doing crap against pollution)
Tesla's system is running, they just charge us for free energy. Tesla's towers are everywhere, weather towers, water towers and more.
@@mb59621 yes Mike and Phytagoras...and others sure.
Because the US government/military shut him down because of his haarp technology
You've heard of Edison because he invented the corporate laboratory: success doesn't get the actual inventor as much, but failure doesn't cost them as much either, so it makes innovation-based businesses practical as an ongoing concern. Edison did actually invent some other stuff, but corporate labs are the really _important_ bit.
As for Einstein, his theories effectively disproved some of how Tesla thought things worked- both of them thought quantum mechanics was bunk, but Einstein proved it by trying to disprove it, while Tesla just rejected it. Further, the stuff towards the end of his life didn't pan out, whether his death rays (mercury was involved in some, and unavoidable the usage would have been a disaster to the surrounding area), his wireless power distribution (there was no way to charge for it, and so no way to support it- further, he was aiming for _worldwide_ distribution, which effectively would require a worldwide empire to governmentally fund it), and likely various other things that I'm not thinking of. Finally, while he had a strong showman streak, he also tended to be secretive in some aspects, which resulted in some misconceptions about him even from his fans.
Leonardo Da Vinci had the same problem with the inventions that he devised on paper. Many would have worked except he didn't have the right materials to make them. Tesla a man ahead of his time.
Can we dam a shallow sea and build water based power plant?
So basically Tesla turbines are analogous to reversible heat engines. With heat engines, you can transfer heat from hot chamber to cold chamber, extracting work. Or put in work, and move heat from cold chamber to hot chamber.
Tesla turbine moves fluid from high pressure chamber to low pressure chamber, extracting work. Or, if work is put in, it can move fluid from low pressure chamber to high pressure chamber.
In essence, the Tesla turbine is a pressure engine, the P-domain counterpart to the heat engine's T-domain.
Sterling engines come to mind.
@@TheTubejunky Yep, exactly. Only that this (Tesla Turbine) is pressure-based while Stirling Engines are heat-based.
There's a very cool statue of him at Niagara Falls...a must see in person!
yeah........as long as the marxist's don't find it.
Tesla a man before his time, imagine the possibility if he was around now.
We probably would have flying cars
Now wouldnt be now if he wasn’t around before. We need a second Tesla
@@DStanford94 Well we probably have more than that on the planet currently. The sad thing is that theres a high chance the most geniuses are living in some poor rural area where they can never reach their potential
@@CptUhudini Nothing hard about building flying cars. The problem with all crackpot ideas is the basic laws of Physics. Who would want to fly in a car that gets ten miles to the gallon and operates in three dimensions when your eyes and senses can only operate in two dimensions at a given time. Even with the most powerful computer and positioning satellites nothing can predict the unpredictable and what other influences can occur. No insurance company would ever insure your flying car.
Imagine he married and reproduced dozens of tesla. 😃😲
Very well done video. Thanks for sharing
This animation style is like a fever dream.
Went to his house in Belgrade Serbia a couple years ago, it's a pretty awesome little museum with a bunch of his gadgets and working models you can interact with.
Wow thats sounds very cool!
Tesla never lived in Belgrade, Serbia. You visited the museum. If you want to visit his house of birth where he lived before going to faculty (house turned into museum), you need to go to Smiljane in Croatia.
Nicola Tesla:
"I am limited by the materials of my time."
Scientists in the future:
"Keep going, we still haven't found materials strong enough for your machine."
ummm, his turbine is so cool, but just admit that it is not as efficient as the modern version
@Opecuted bruh 😂
@@ngotranhoanhson5987 I mean if we can reach the same efficiency at a fraction of the weight and complexity and we just need stronger material, the Tesla turbine would be the preferred turbine for anything where weight is a concern. If only we can engineer one.
Lol can't engineer one.. Like NASA and "we don't have the technology to go back to the moon"
Dont look up!
The basic principle for the Tesla Turbine is well presented, but there are considerable number of secondary, as the speed ratio between the steam and the disks, and tertiary dynamics such as the turbulence in the boundary layer (which is the transfer energy vector ) when the relative speed between the fluid and the disk is changing are not noted at all, and these by themselves affect hugely the efficiency of the turbine. Also note these "bumps" in the shaft, these are fluid bearings (!!!). For those interested more, highly recommending "A new dimension for Power" book that represents some research and most of Tesla documented notes on the turbine.
This may be off topic, but I think someone might find it interesting.
Piston style over unity electric generator. By AMA
Motor segment:
1 motor with bar connected to it standing vertically
circular disc connected to bar that has magnets embedded in it surrounded in high permeability material to focus magnets outward pushing force in an upwards direction from top of disc.
Power Bar segment (Just name I gave it)
Hollowed out cylindrical Bar of material horizontally positioned.
donut shaped material with openings around its flat edge for magnets surrounded in high permeability material to be embedded.
place these all along the cylindrical bar connected to it solidly. except at far ends of bar.
At both ends of bar rings of material that can be magnetically repelled in specific locations (magnetically repelled in specific location is in reference to outside of ring area that faces away from center of bar)(Other side of same ring facing in towards center of bar is capable of magnetic repulsion all around) are connected solidly to bar. points of repulsion on these rings is off set from each other on each end of bar.
3 Hollow donut ring structure with connecting bar:
Ring structure has all magnetic repulsion on inside of donut shape & and can rap around the main bar so that the bar wont be causing friction on things as it moves back and forth. 1st positioned around far left of bar, 2nd position center of bar & 3rd positioned on far right of bar.
Tube structure is constructed in two parts that fit together on top of each other length wise over main structure & has openings for bar to the Ring structure that is connected around the main bar keeping it from causing friction on structure with it's magnetic padding. This tube structure is designed with material that does not block magnetic fields. Perhaps some type of transparent material glass or other. At both ends of the tube structure there is a built in groove that will house a disc, the groove has 4 points, top bottom left and right that has small magnets embedded in it on the inside so that the pushing force from magnets is pushing in towards the edge of disc that goes in this spot. The disc has ring around it that is repelled by magnetic fields so the 4 small magnets will keep it lined up but it will be able to spin without causing friction on structure. The disc has openings on it's flat side that face inside of tube and magnets surrounded in high permeability material are embedded in this disc. The disc has small bar that is connected to it that goes all the way to the other end of Power bar structure through the center of the hollowed out bar and connects to disc on other end. Disc on other end is set up the same but magnets embedded in it are off set in comparison. As first disc spins the magnetic fields will push against specific spot on disc connected directly to bar, pushing bar in other direction, once bar is fully pushed over, further spinning of disc will then align the other sides magnet to push it back. Tube structure also has half moon shaped protrusion on inside and on both halves so when tube is connected they line up to make a full ring shape on inside of tube, these half moon shaped protrusions have at least 1 small round opening on it's side in middle of curve that faces away from center of bar. The opening has a small magnet embedded in it so magnetic force is repelling out sideways away from center of bar. The protruding ring is positioned to line up slightly further in towards center of bar then the ring of magnetically repelled material connected directly to bar. This way when bar moves to right this magnet will act as a stopper keeping bar from going to far & same setup on other side will keep bar from going to far to left.
Copper coil setup:
copper coils are wound up as if wound around the width of wood board for a distance equal to width of magnetic ring setup on bar. Wound copper coils are then looped around the tube like a donut lined up perpendicular to magnetic fields. Ends of copper coils are connected into separate construct that will allow electrical current to flow somewhere else.
Circular construct is built like a stand that goes around the outside of motor segment.
Circular construct has flat ring of high permeability (magnetic field shielding) material that has small openings that will allow magnetic fields through specific locations. Top of circular construct has groove to allow the power bar to balance on. Circular construct can also be placed on other end of power bar so it is balanced. The motor segment is positioned so the disc connected to the bar that is connected to the motor is lined up so the disc passes under the power bars disc that is at end of power bar. The high permeability material keeps the magnetic field from the embedded magnets exerting their force upwards from hitting into the disc in the power bar until just the right moment when the impact will cause the disc in power bar to spin which will perpetuate the piston motion in the power bar. More power bars of the same design are built and positioned around the motor segment in a circular fashion all the way around. The bar connected to the motor can be increased in length to desired height and more of the exact same setup is repeated higher and higher up maximizing the over unity potential of the construct to ridiculous proportions. :D Current from the power bars is diverted to power the motor as needed and all other current is diverted to power my game console or the world. :) Interesting variation to this design would be to connect the spinning discs on far ends of power bar to main bar that magnets are connected to so the magnets spin instead of getting pistoned back and forth. So long as moving magnetic fields are perpendicular to copper wires it should work.
By AMA
The Man was pure Genius. Edison ripped him off.
Edison ripped off a lot of inventors.
Patent Jacker at the finest.
Edison was a charlatan, a tinkerer and a thief! None of those attributes endear him to most engineers, and certainly NOT to me!
@@boblewis5558 The only thing Edison did inspire, the businessman.
nonsense for which you will never be able to provide any evidence
Tesla after making his turbine : I am limited by the technology of my time.
says the people who are supposed to be coming up with these technologies...
Last I checked, proper business's develop the technologies they lack.
@Zakarii Tsuki idk lol. Same point either way. Rather they make it themselves or find someone else that can.
Didn't feel getting that far into the specifics really mattered.
@Zakarii Tsuki ok, but if you need something and cant outsource it, you make it yourself.
Just imagine having an outrageously strong/durable space aged material for one of those...
Perhaps some geometrically perfect carbon structure...
So cool. I've never looked into this before. Pretty amazing that it's just flat discs.
*This is apparently the algorithm's current favorite video*
😂😂😂
Funny enough I found this video by searching for it instead
Steam turbines do not have a Mach number above 1, the tip speed may be well over 1000mph but Mach is measured relative to the local flow which is always below the speed of sound, if the Mach number was above 1 then the flow would choke (shock waves would also probably destroy the blading).
go back 57 posts, this maybe of interest
I'm so glad someone actually talks about tesla turbine drawbacks as well, so many videos out these talking about tesla turbine like it's some sort of perfection that engineers are blind to
his video is flawed.. why does it HAVE to be a 3m disc? did he try it at 1m? 2m? he shows 6" to 3m... scale it and try it first
@@SixballQ45 because there is a reason stean turbines are big, we have a giant generator to rotate, if anything he made it pretty compact