Samsung Spider Flange Shaft Replacement, POWDER COATED!!!
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Having replaced the $120 Samsung Spider Flange Shaft three times over the last 10 years I felt it was time to Powder Coat the part before installation. I coated the last one with Flex Seal and it lasted 18 months longer than the last two.
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Thanks guys! learnt a lot from the other guys comments. Stainless steel shaft welded to aluminum casting slowly corrodes over time also to do period hot washes to clean the build up on the spider assembly.
manufacturer made it this way to get you to buy a new machine.
That part will last longer than the washer. Great re-engineering!
Years ago, we were told by an appliance repair tech that our premature spider arm failure was likely due to too much or incorrect (non HE) detergent. Over sudsing forces its way past the seals or to the height of the spindle. Take it for what it is, but we now use the minimum detergent, like 1-2 Tbls per load.
He's right. To which I would add not doing warm washes. Warm meaning 40 degrees C at least or you might have to select hot just to get warm. Not doing maintenance washes every month at least also on hot.
Removing the Drum bolt dimples. I simply used a 12mm bolt and nut with a flange on them and tightened them down. Work great. No pounding the dimple out.
Hello, it's the fault of poor quality material. I have two washing machines, they stand next to each other, they wash with the same water, the same washing powder. One is 15 years old Electrolux EWF10470W (2009) and BOSCH WAY24742PL/04 (2017). In Electrolux after 15 years of use I only replaced the bearings, although it was not necessary yet. However, Spider was/is in perfect condition, no corrosion. In BOSCH after seven years Spider corroded, holes appeared in it and broke. So it is clearly the fault of the shitty quality of material. In addition, BOSCH does not sell Spider as a spare part, it offers a whole tank with a drum for big money. However, I managed to buy Spider in Ukraine, because they make them themselves there (not the original BOSCH), I hope it will be better. I painted it with a primer for aluminum and car paint.
Just a heads up for people contemplating this - I tried to get mine powder coated locally through some very reputable places that also do industrial work and no one would touch it. According to one of them, the casting process can leave microscopic pores in the metal that will cause pinholes to form as air escapes during the powder coat curing process. It effectively makes it worse since water can now penetrate and become trapped. I'm not knowledgable enough on the subject to say whether or not this is true, just passing it along to others. I feel like the fact they could have just taken my money and done it anyway but chose not to is somewhat telling though.
Interesting and thanks. The way you avoid this problem happening is by doing warm washes. With energy regulations being what they are, hot is actually warm or 40 degrees C. The main reason for these kinds of spider failures is cold washes, not doing maintenance washes on hot regular enough, think once a month and using the wrong non-HE detergent. Its mostly user error due to ignorance. It's notable that the creator of this video shows the least interest in actually answering any questions and instead prefers to shill some method of dubious value that most of us cannot perform or find people to do so.
@@johndoe-vc1weno it isn’t. That’s dumb. Getting it hot once in a while does not prevent the braised-on stainless steel shaft from corroding the cast aluminum. You don’t weld stainless to aluminum and expect it to last. That’s kindergarten-level metalworking knowledge.
@@jeremywatson1898 most people don't lose the spider so soon. Two years or little more suggests the problem is likely corrosive water.
This is accurate. These castings are ESPECIALLY porous ones, and this part is constantly exposed to water, either splashing around in it or in the form of vapor because it’s in the back of a friggin washing machine. Coating the *surface* of this thing won’t accomplish anything at all, except maybe to keep more water inside it because less can evaporate out. More water=even better electrical connection with the stainless steel=more corrosion. Though, really, since it’s a washing machine, all of these parts are literally always a little bit wet anyway, so it probably doesn’t matter.
@@jeremywatson1898 if you agree the problem here is corrosive water then the solution lies in specifically treating the water so it's less corrosive. Treat the cause rather than symptom.
it's pathetic that manufacturers have garbage quality parts that break down like this. i just literally learned how to rip my samsung washer apart and tried replacing the bearings to find out the spider flange assembly had DISINTEGRATED and was severely DAMAGED! Given i had the washer for over 12 years i was very fortunate to get that much use by the axle broke completely loose from the assembly. Blown away by the damage/corrosion the unit had.
There has got to be something in your water or detergent which is helping to speed up the corrosion. My Samsung washer is seven years old and I run about 10 loads a week (we go through a lot of laundry). I just tore it down to replace the bearings as was happy to discover there was no sign of corrosion on the spider at all. Our water is sourced from a well and the only treatment is a water softener and sediment filter. We primarily use Tide High Efficiency laundry detergent, and, until recently, Downey fabric softener. We stopped using the liquid fabric softener because we decided it was redundant because we also use Bounce fabric softener sheets in the dryer. What do you think?
If your bearing is shot after seven years, I wouldn't be taking about it. The bearing should last at least fifteen to twenty years.
We were able to run our LG washer for 12 years before the spider arm started failing. Not bad
That sounds about right, I've known a couple of people to get that far as well. What advice would you give to people so they can expect similar performance? What are your do's and don'ts
17 yrs 2006 lg before spider arm and bearings needed to be replace. Water pump twice and water valve once.
Miele does that too! DO not get lied to!
Very good video.
That's why I think the idea to paint Spider is good. Of course, service technicians and manufacturers blame water, detergent, etc. But the example of my two washing machines shows that this is bullshit. I suspect that the newer the washing machine, the worse the quality...
Besides, people are fooled by the number of programs and other gadgets, when in reality, every washing machine only has a drum, a heater, and water...
how about cold galvanize spray(zinc coating) and plastidip?
I read somewhere that the spider is a "sacrificial annode" that corrodes to prevent the drum itself from corroding. does anyone know if this is accurate or if it could make sense?
Hello - have you had trouble getting the replacement spider arm to fit once the old one is removed and cleanup is done ? I expect I’ll have to bend the rim back slightly to get all three ends line up with the holes for the bolts but wouldn’t mind hearing how you have managed this. Thanks.
Mine bent and split a little bit but I bent it back and installed the screws. New flanges come with 6 screws with locktite .
also PH higher or to lower than PH7. using wassoftner or vinegar or other not PH NEUTRAL wassoftner or products.. galvanische corrosie is the problem also the story that you told about electrohyde .. steel +aluminium fails..
Could you help us understand what detergent you use and what your water quality is like? Also, do you run any hot water maintenance washes and how often? By hot I mean as hot as the machine will get
Losing a drum spider in two years is surprising. I've seen spiders last at the low end of 4-6 years all the way up to 12-14 years. Guess what? none has flex seal or any powder-coated paint. Why are you always getting the short straw here, eh!
I'm also curious what's been used in it. Two years is amazingly quick for a spider to rot, I'm still on the original spider on my 14 year old machine, it was in good shape when I changed the bearings 3 - 4 years ago.
@@mels8966 any tips on how you kept it in such good shape. What capacity is your machine and brand also.
@@johndoe-vc1we Well, as we mostly do low temperature 40°C washes, I take a couple of measures to prevent mould and bacteria growing in the machine, which may also help to alleviate spider corrosion too, since that needs moisture too. I use powder washing machine detergents which contain oxygen bleach, a highly effective microbiocide and stain remover, and also leave the door and draw open after the wash. I'm not keen on liquid detergent because the detergent residue retains moisture, promoting mould and bacteria growth, although I do use fabric conditioner which can do the same, but I find leaving the draw and door ajar helps to combat that.
I'm uk based, our machines would be small by your standards, mine is a 7kg load. The water supply is very hard (Total hardness 340 mg / l ). I've never used chlorine bleach in the machine (UK machines don't even have a bleach dispenser). In recent years I've started descaling the machine about once a year using citric acid on the 95C wash setting, probably not good for the spider, but needed because limescale build up was jamming the filter and had also caused the element to blow.
It is an Electrolux under their Zanussi brand, but I don't plan on buying the same make when I do replace it, because I've read all their models, even their premium AEG branded ones now have sealed tubs, so replacing bearings would require the entire expensive sealed tub assembly. I'm more likely to buy a Samsung, or LG, which are two of the few manufactures still selling machines in the UK with replaceable bearings.
@@mels8966 curious to know what microbicide you use and intrigued you mentioned it. The technical name for the corrosion that occurs is microbial corrosion or microbial induced corrosion. Not galvanic as popularly thought. The remedy is regular cleaning, sanitisation (a maintenence wash at the hottest temperature every three months) and the use of biocide.
@@johndoe-vc1we It's sodium percarbonate (which releases hydrogen peroxide when added to water) and TAED ( converts the H2O2 to peracetic acid if I recall correctly, which works at lower temperature) aka Oxygen bleach. Kills bacteria and mould, keeps the machine nice and clean and stops it smelling: ruclips.net/video/6HnzBS_XQhA/видео.html . Most UK sold washing powder includes them as standard, and they are also sold as stain remover / oxygen bleach and sometimes as colour safe bleach, under brands like Vanish.
I don't think bacterial action is the direct cause of spider corrosion, but the sludge and biofilm they produce will build up in the nooks and crannies of the spider's casting along with the detergent residue, and the moisture that retains will likely promote corrosion of the spider by keeping it wet for longer. I'm certain it is not the only cause of spider corrosion, but just has the potential to speed it up, they will corrode anyway. Likewise, if you leave the door closed between washes the seals won't dry and there will be much higher humidity inside the machine, which is also likely to promote corrosion.
EDIT: Biofilm induced intergranular corrosion could indeed be the cause.
That could be biologically induced intergranular corrosion, which can be avoided by keeping the machine clean: using the right detergent, hot washes and leaving the door open etc, to prevent bacteria and mould growth.
Whirlpool made changes to combat it in their machines including using an aluminium alloy with less copper in it in 2005 .
"[91] In 2004, as part of Whirlpool’s biofilm engineering investigation, it examined Access-platform washers that were subject to an odour complaint. A very small number of these washers had aluminum crosspieces that exhibited biofilm-related intergranular corrosion. Whirlpool concluded that it was possible, though very unlikely, for very heavy biofilm contamination to build-up on an Access washer’s crosspiece under certain rare usage conditions, especially the use of regular detergents, the use of mostly cold-water wash cycles, and leaving the washer’s door closed between wash cycles, which prevented the machine from drying out between uses. This contamination could cause biologically-induced intergranular corrosion of type 383 aluminum alloy."
Hi Are you in Canada?
what is the source to buy the the flange shaft ?
I need one for my Samsung washer P801 ????
I used Google to locate the part# and then Google again to search for the best price. It was an appliance fix it yourself parts website
Pennsylvania
So is it still running?
Like a top! Small leak in the drain hose though. We have the base, so it drains into that. Gotta take off the front and get a good look at it.
Samsung is doing one better now. I called to see if I could buy the Spider Arm directly from Samsung and I was told it's disconnected. Sorry Sir, time to buy a New Washer! All these RUclips guys helping each other and getting away by just spending $150? Not acceptable! Buy New!
Replacing the spider flange is a bitch on a Samsung. The cost of the parts and the time isn't worth it. I just bought the low level LG for $740 delivered with the old one removed.
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LMAO powder coating an aluminum casting that has been braised to a stainless shaft will do nothing (at BEST) for the corrosion rate of this part. This is the dumbest, least scientific thing imaginable.
The drum support arm corrodes BECAUSE it is an aluminum casting that has been braised to the stainless steel shaft. The stainless steel is the thing that corrodes the aluminum. Not detergent, and not moisture.
Everyone here saying “wrong detergent” is being even more hilariously ignorant.
This corrosion happens over the course of 10-15 years regardless of environment. The stainless takes electrons from the aluminum over time, and the aluminum breaks down, and no difference in usage or maintenance has much effect on this process.
It was literally designed to fail. Samsung stopped making these this way in, like, 2015, I think, after a sufficient number of consumer reporting websites got wise to their bullsh*t.
What according to you is the scientific term that describes what you said?
@@johndoe-vc1we galvanic corrosion.
@@johndoe-vc1we Galvanic corrosion. The manufacturer *could* have used a type of stainless steel with a decent amount of molybdenum in it for the shaft if they actually wanted to slow the galvanic corrosion process down, and it would not have cost significantly more.
But they didn’t, because then these machines wouldn’t fall apart as soon as they wanted them to.
@@jeremywatson1898 how do you explain the spider disintegrating in little over two years whereas in your opener you mentioned 10 to 15 years
@@jeremywatson1898 see my comment after you posted?