one of the easiest spider bracket replacements I've seen on youtube. Most of the time most people can't get the shaft to move at all and spend days wailing on it. And those are pro's. Nice job
Important note to any do-it-yourselfer watching this video: do not clean the rear tub with a hose while the bearings are exposed, and don't lubricate them with soap, like shown in the video. You want to keep your bearings away from any source of water (and/or soap) at all times. Other than that, great video.
It is also best to avoid getting penetrating oil into a bearing if you intend to reuse it. Personally, given the hassle of tearing apart and reassembling the machine, I would replace the bearings even if they are it good order, premium quality bearings are cheap and standard parts from most any bearing supplier. And I would absolutely replace the shaft water seal, they wear and will eventually leak letting water get to the bearings, which is usually what destroys them. The shaft seal should be packed with waterproof grease (able to withstand 100C+ hot water and detergent) between the two lips on it, it may be supplied that way, ideally the same waterproof grease should be used on the shaft. I used a good quality waterproof silicone grease on mine, but most manufacturers have their own recommended product.
I enjoyed watchi your video.. the only my machine is Samsung model WF8602 NHS 6 KG DIAMOND DRUM FRONT LOADER JUST LIKE THE VIDEO ONLY THE BACK IS DIFFERENT.I REPLACED THE SPIDER SHAFT BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM OIN THE SPIN CYCLE.BACK N FORWARD 2 TO 3 TIMES THEN IT SPINS TAKES LONGER THEN 91MINUTES. NEED SHOCKS. I ASSUME.LOOKS OK.BUT I AM TRYING TO GET A PRICE.BUT ON SHORT WASH IT DOESNT WORK WELL.PLEASE Advise.Dan.
Thank you so much for this video! I was gifted this washer and for years it has no issues. It suddenly had an issue where it no longer turned. I looked into buying new ones and got sticker shock. I watched your video and felt confident I could do it. I bought the part on Amazon for $86 vs buying a new washer. You’re amazing! Thank you 🙏🙏
Just wanted to touch base again after I received my new Spider Arm and Bearings parts. The process was fairly easy thanks to your great video. Was able to fix it myself for $150 when service shops wanted around $1,000. The washer is as good as new. I so appreciate you taking the time to create the detailed video. All the best. David
Happy to hear that! Not the easiest repair, but a very satisfying one. The amount of money you can save is worth the effort. Appreciate the comment, Thanks David
I did this repair and my washer wobbles like all hell now. All new struts, new bearings, balance rings are still good too. What did I do wrong? When it spins it sounds like the motor plate is hitting tbe electrodes.
Love your style, thank you for being the perfect assist for me to replace mine. IMO, this is on the high end of moderate difficulty for a standard DIY'er. I really think your breakdown helped some find the confidence to tackle this. I can say you certainly cut my reassemble time in half. Keep up the good work brother. You're helping some hard working folks save some $.
I did the exact same repair several years ago. Parts cost me about $300.00. It was exceedingly gratifying to DIY. Saved a ton of money and resurrected the machine to nearly new condition. I was amazed at how dirty the inside and back of the stainless drum was (especially UNDER the spider arm). This was also the source of bad odor. A couple of things though: since the spider arm was completely shot, it has to have caused excessive lateral forces on the main bearing. Since you tore it down that far, I would STRONGLY recommend changing out the main bearing. You had it, so why not? For what it’s worth, that main bearing is VERY VERY VERY difficult to press/hammer out. I think this must have been why you held back. Finally, I would inspect all of the rubber hoses and front gasket for wear and minor tares and replace those, too. The point is you already have them removed, so why not swap them out for new ones now? Other than that, WELL DONE!!!! It’s a fantastic DIY job!!
Congratulations on the repair! When I got to the bearing it was a tough choice. Did I feel like possibly opening a can of worms, or move forward with what felt like a great functioning bearing. The replacement bearing” not OEM” gave me doubts if it would fit tightly in the tub, and perfectly on the spider arm spindle. I rolled the dice. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
True master...if the replaced parts are also acceptable for the price, then the car will "turn" 21 years more than sure...those aluminum arms (the tripod) cannot be protected with any special paint, protective varnish or something else that would offer a longer lifespan?... today, I gave my old washing machine (Whirpool) that had "turned" the honorable age of 18 years... the fault was in the control panel, an integrated circuit which is no longer manufactured and I couldn't find it at the "junk market" or online...thank you for the real lesson that you were kind enough to share with those who needed something like this...God bless may he give you good health and good luck in the future...my respect for you, Dan....P.S. May I copy this lesson on my old computer (from which I am writing now) with a C2D E5700 processor, 2G Ram and 160G HDD?
That Whirlpool machine served you well, what a trooper. Coating the arm sounds like a good idea, but I think when the coating starts peeling it could be a mess. Thanks for the blessings! P.S. Nice computer
Great job! Cultivating that evergreen content.. AND THAT'S how you save $$$ for fishing! I don't have a Samsung washer but the right person is gong to owe you big for this video!! Strong work!
It’s truly the heart of the machine. The issue took my washer 7 years to show up the first time. I don’t think the manufacturer knew it was a weak spot. Only time would show this type of corrosion. Thank you!
@@CarlosPadillaCentex I think you are to naive about the problem. Many many brands have this problem. Please search for "psa_front_load_washing_machine_shaft_spider" a thread that mirrors my mind a bit. Take care !
We've been using front loaders will aluminium alloy spiders since at least the 70s here in the UK, I believe spider failure has become a more common issue along with smelly machines due to the increasing trend of low temperature washing and the ever increasing popularity of liquid detergents. It used to be common to do regular 60°C and 90°C washes and use powder detergents which helps to keep the machine clean and free of bacteria biofilm which causes the corrosion - it is primarily crevice corrosion (oxygen concentration cell corrosion). Our powder detergents also nearly all contain sodium percarbonate (and many contain TAED as well) which kills bacteria. I use powder detergent, descale my machine once a year and leave the door and draw open between washes, the spider was clean and absolutely fine after 10 years of use when I changed the bearings and is still going strong 5 years later. Using stainless steel would add to the cost, and appliance manufacturers are always trying to make them cheaper to produce. Even Miele swapped from pressed stainless steel spiders to aluminium alloy for a while, but had too many fail.
Thank you bro, saved me some money fixing this myself. Won’t need this stackable front loader too much longer so just wanted to repair it. Took a little work but it worked like a charm.
Hey! Back in my earlier days I had an automotive shop. Changed out many engines and transmissions, and chased a bunch of wiring issues. This kind of project has the same feeling so it was enjoyable! Thank you!
My father in law trained me to be an appliance tech. He told me that changing a spider is a huge job, and you’d better change the bearing and another piece that I can’t recall at the moment. After seeing this video I agree with him that it’s a huge job and I would just recommend my customers a new washer lol
Agreed that it seems like a huge job. It’s really just a lot of smaller steps combined into one. On this type of project DIY would be best. For a paying customer it may not be worth it. Thanks
@@DravenThegloriouscat Sure, it's as deep into the washer as you can go... But if one is mechanically inclined, AND one would rather spend $150 or less rather than $1200-$1500, than one should take the DIY route... Hell, it's just another good puzzle for me, whereas others would be puzzled BY it... Some CAN, and some CAN'T... That's what makes the World go 'round...
I can see your point, but I just can't justify spending hard earned money on an unknown. In ten years the new washer will be in this same condition, longevity is where I'm striving for. In my mind I think these machines should be able to be maintained for 30 to 40 years. My Mom and Dads Maytags were in a damp basement for at least 35 years an occasional hose here and there but nothing major.
It was dirty! I quit the softener too, the clothes seem to feel the exact same. I think my wife might use some when doing sheets for the scent. Good choice!
I thought I was the only crazy son of a bi*ch to tackle this kind of diy stuff ! You must be a mechanic? Auto body tech here 💪 I'm pretty sure I have this same issue with my LG, different but close enough to where your instructions gave me confidence to do the job, thanks brother!
You right about that, use to do engine swaps and drive drifting machines. Auto body takes some skill, I’m pretty sure you will knock out the LG! Thanks!
@@CarlosPadillaCentex hey, thanks again! I rebuilt my wife's Buick Lacrosse transmission a couple years ago watching RUclips, lol that was a first! I figured if some of them goons at repair shops can do then I have a pretty good chance 😅 Still running good 👍
I would run it with the top of the machine off. Make sure the tub is not hitting the sides of the machine. Start with the shocks “under $30” then try to diagnose it again. Hope that helps
Unreal video. Not fishing related but couldn't stop watching. You the man I know you talked about doing another video on wiring on your boat, could you show how to use a multimeter to check your wiring and fuses. I can't stand the videos that are on youtube.
When you have two different metals touching each other in an electrolytic environment (water is one of them) electrolysis will occur. The electrons from the aluminum/zinc alloy will start to migrate into the stainless steel and in the process will weaken the cast. This process will enrich the stainless-steel prolonging its life. Usually in the past the drums had a protection with fancy names but being in in water and in constant friction eventually that would fail or put some health concerns that today we care about. So, I believe is basically more of an economical approach from manufactures rather than a planned obsolescence. A spider arm can be under 60 bucks while a drum is much more expensive to repair or replace. Quality of the spider cast will tell how much will last. The tendency now among pretty much all manufacturers is to avoid using as less rare or important sources of material as possible.
To replace the door boot gasket spring more easily, use a section of plastic shipping strap that gives you a second purchase point to pull down and slip it back into position.
I've been working on this myself, always nice to see a video of someone else going through the same thing! Thanks for posting. I was just wondering though - what's the purpose of adding dish soap to the seal and the bearing? Wouldn't that mess with the grease?
Soap on the seal is just for lube so the spindle doesn’t catch on the rubber. Soap on the bearing probably not the greatest idea, but I was thinking about how I had to hammer it out. A touch of WD-40 is a better idea. Thanks
With all the great job you did, man maybe i will give a try on my own machine, other than that i will recommend friend and family just save the money to purchase a new unit😂
It is important thar you self clean at least once a month. If it's old you may as well replace the shocks and the two prints while it's open. Thanks for the video.
Good point. Self cleaning should help with build up. The shocks, pump, and drain hose can also be replaced when it’s apart. Probably another $60. Thanks!
I've done this same job and wondered why the spider isn't made of a better material. I had my new spider powder coated prior to installing it. I think it will last longer.
Nice! The powder coat should help for sure. The rest of the machine seems really well designed. I’m thinking it was one of those things that takes a few years to show itself.
Have watched your video several times. Nice and thorough job! Want to fix it myself. Have a Samsung Washer Model: WF520ABP/XAA. Purchased in March 2011. Where do you get your parts? Having trouble locating correct part numbers and where to order. Several places said the parts have been discontinued and couldn't give me any part numbers. Thanks
Looks like a hard part to find. See if this is the right part number. www.partselect.com/PS4221666-Samsung-DC97-16509B-Assembly-FLANGE-SHAFT-PURPLE.htm?SourceCode=1&SearchTerm=WF520ABP&ModelNum=WF520ABP
That's it. Really appreciate your help and video. Have ordered the Spider Arm. With that number, I was able to find the bearings as well. The unit is 13 years old and figured since I had it apart would replace them also. Will be watching your great video as I replace the parts. Thanks for making it.
I have a Samsung that just turned 2 and is whomping on spin. The drum doesn't feel disconnected from the tub but it's not spinning in an even circle. Can the drum become warped without breaking the spider, or anything else other than bearing and spider give this symptom?
I’m not sure if it can warp. Sometimes socks and other items can work their way between the tub and drum while loading or washing. Maybe something got into the gap.
Hi, Without shooting footage I would estimate 4-6 hours. Disassembly and assembly is very fast. It comes down to how easy the spider arm comes off and goes on, and the cleaning process. Thanks!
next time you have to take that door gasket spring off, use a terminal screwdriver in the loop to pull it off and use needle nose vice grips around that same loop to stretch the spring to get it back on. Much easier!
Within the next year or so you'll be tearing this machine apart to replace the bearings, adding the dish soap maybe wasn't the best idea and when you showed the drum being placed back in to the tub you could see rusty water coming from the bearing
Very possible, I really hope it lasts a few more years. I’m almost at the point of getting a new set just for the extra cubic feet the new machines have.
@@CarlosPadillaCentex My grandmother was the same way about her LG washing machine it was bought in 2006 but it did everything she wanted, i had to change collapsed bearings and a slightly cracked spider earlier this year
Yep, save the detergent for the dishes. Should have packed the seal between the inner and outer lips with waterproof grease to lubricate it, I used a silicon grease when I changed the bearings and seal on mine, but I believe they usually recommend white grease. I would have changed the water seal and bearings anyway considering the amount of work stripping it down, but especially after getting penetrating oil on them because it thins the grease in the bearings.
Mine just broke to other day, needs the Spider Arm as well. I put it up on Face book for FREE. I don't have the time to fix it. Going to the curb Monday...
I just got a big Samsung washer/dryer matched set in pristine condition for $250 on Facebook Marketplace... The seller told me in advance that the washer needed a new spider... I replaced the spider in my LG TROMM washer about 4 months ago, so I am experienced now... Yes, it's a tough job that I would NOT recommend for anybody with limited-or-no tool experience... But NO, the washer should not be thrown to the curb due to a broken spider... The job is entirely do-able as long as you watch your 'P's and 'Q's... And the replacement parts are cheap A/F on EBAY...
The discomboobulation and recomboobulation of my washer went very well... It washes clothes just the same as the day it left the showroom floor... Thanx for your reply...
Great work. Given the stuff stuck to the back of that arm and drum, you are likely using way too much detergent, and fabric softener will make this issue even worse.
We use a lot of hot hard Texas water from the city. Something that did change is about 1 1/2 years ago we started using dreft detergent, softener, and scent beads for baby clothes. No clue if that had something to do with it. Good thing is the part is available and repairable. It’s probably a good thing the spider breaks, so the washer can get a good cleaning and bearing/seal inspection. Thanks
Fabric softener is basically adding an coating for fabric and it sticks to everything. It also creates a perfect environment for mold/mildew to fester in the machine. People figured it out decades ago and the product was in decline, but clever marketing and a new generation of people has caused it to come back in favor. It's like meet tenderizer, and while your stuff will feel softer, it impacts water absorption, so bath towels don't work as well. If used with workout clothes, it wrecks the special properties that help with wicking. Basically, it's evil stuff. I would have replaced the seal and bearing while it was apart. The new spider arm spindle may not mate the same way, and replacing the stuff is cheap insurance. My dad would always say, "While it is in pieces, do the other stuff now to save having to do it all again later."
I did show when to replace the bearing and seal. I chose not to do it due to further complicating things. You can damage the new bearing when installing it, and really wanted to get the job done. I would agree anyone comfortable with it should it. Good suggestion. Thanks
This seems to be a design flaw with these front loading machines, and the manufacturer doesn't want to fix. Maybe if the spider was made out of a heavy teflon it wouldn't fail like it does. I read that what can cause the spider to fail is a chemical reaction from laundry soap an fabric softner combined. Thanks for the video.!!!
Some think it’s chemical and some say it’s the different metals passing current like a car battery terminal post rotting. A stainless arm would work, but it would be very heavy and expensive. Composite materials have come a long way. Great comment
It is mainly oxygen concentration cell corrosion, also known as crevice corrosion, which occurs if the alloy spider gets coated with grime (bacteria, mould, detergent and fabric conditioner residue, dirt, grease, lint etc). This biofilm excludes oxygen, creating variations in oxygen concentration across the surface which creates a potential difference between locations with lower and higher oxygen concentrations, so currents flow and the lower oxygen locations become anodic and get eaten away. It doesn't require dissimilar metals.
@@mels8966 That's the BEST answer I've seen... You could make ALOT of money employed by LG/Samsung/Whirlpool... All those front-load machines are basically the same design, like all the manufacturers could be trading blueprints amongst themselves...
Hi, on 4 out of the 6 bolts the heads broke off. On 2 of them I had to grind the heads down to the threads. Put a flat tip screw driver or small pry bar between the drum and spider arm prying the drum out and spider arm up.
I think most washing machine manufacturers intentionally use aluminum for the spider arm as it corrodes over time from detergent in water, so that it breaks after several years of use and the customer buys a new washing machine if it's too expensive to repair. They could have used stainless steel which shouldn't add much to the manufacturing cost.
That could be the case. I looked at a few a new washers when the spider arm went bad. They were anywhere between $700 to $1,200 without a pedestal. Then the dryer wouldn’t match. The dryer has been through 4 elements, 2 belts, thermal fuses, thermostat, and burnt wires. It was an easy choice to go on and repair the washer. It was less than $100 and about 6 hours.
Stainless would most likely cost quite a bit more than aluminum and last forever, those two things affect their profits I have a WF331ANR/XAS 02 washer so far only replaced the door lock I'll be saving this video in case Great job on showing all the steps clearly teardown and putting it back together!
The bearing was a tough choice. Even though I had a new bearing, it was not an original. The original has been working fine, and had no play. Hopefully it holds up.
The filter was full of corrosion from the spider arm, and some pebbles that were in my pants pockets. They fall into the tub drain when the washer is draining. The coating on the drum is dirt from clothes mixed with water and becomes matted up between the drum and tub.
It was 8 hours total including moving the washer and dryer out of the room, clean, and reinstall. Without shooting footage and having tools ready I would estimate 3 to 5 hours👍🏽
Good quality video except for one piece of criticism. Not changing the bearings at the same time of doing a job like this is in my opinion foolish. Change the drum bearings anytime you do a spider and vise versa.
It takes time for sure. The cost of the replacement part makes this repair worth it if successful. If you find that the drum is unrepairable when you get to it, the machine will be disassembled for easy transport or recycling. You can always return the unused spider arm.
My washing machine is 15 years old and the spider is original, but I had to change the bearings after 10 years because the bearing water seal leaked letting water in the inner bearing, seizing it up. After 10 years of use, the spider was as good as new and drum and tub in mine was gunge free and spotless, bar a few patches of hard limescale deposits from not descaling the machine often enough. I have very hard water here and I suspect the hard inflexible limescale deposit coating the rubber bearing seal might have been a factor for it wearing out after only 10 years. I use powder detergent which has oxygen bleach in it for much of my washing and mostly use the 40°C wash and do the occasional 60°C+ wash to help clean the machine, despite using fabric conditioner. Descaling it at least once a year and leaving the door and draw open between washes so it dries out also helps keep the internals clean. Never used chlorine bleach, UK machines don't even have a dispenser for it. Oxygen bleach kills bacteria and mould and helps clean the machine as well as removing stains, probably best only used in light colours and white washes as it can noticeably fade darks. According to the evidence whirlpool provided in the US class action lawsuits against them, the main cause of spider failure is crevice corrosion caused by a build up of biofilm in the machine typically as a result of cold washes, using fabric conditioner and liquid detergents, which provides a medium for bacteria and mould to grow in, which can also causes a bad smell,. Also excessive use of chlorine bleach which can cause pitting through the aluminium oxide surface layer, and I believe the chlorine ions can speed up crevice corrosion. Another contributory factor in their oldest machines was using an aluminium alloy with a higher amount of copper (gives better ductility), which resulted in intergranular corrosion.
why would you go through all this drama to repair an obviously fatally flawed POS washer 🤷♂ That old washer with a !!!! Magnesium!Zinc!!!!! spider can't be worth more than 200 dollars
@@CarlosPadillaCentex don't get me wrong this is a great video and you did good work but the parts are probably close to $200 I just bought a used washer that's only 5 years old for $200 Facebook marketplace
one of the easiest spider bracket replacements I've seen on youtube. Most of the time most people can't get the shaft to move at all and spend days wailing on it. And those are pro's. Nice job
Man well then I got lucky! Out with the old and in with the new. Thank you!
Important note to any do-it-yourselfer watching this video: do not clean the rear tub with a hose while the bearings are exposed, and don't lubricate them with soap, like shown in the video. You want to keep your bearings away from any source of water (and/or soap) at all times. Other than that, great video.
For sure, try to keep the bearings protected. I did start getting a little careless toward the end of the project. Thanks for sharing
It is also best to avoid getting penetrating oil into a bearing if you intend to reuse it. Personally, given the hassle of tearing apart and reassembling the machine, I would replace the bearings even if they are it good order, premium quality bearings are cheap and standard parts from most any bearing supplier. And I would absolutely replace the shaft water seal, they wear and will eventually leak letting water get to the bearings, which is usually what destroys them. The shaft seal should be packed with waterproof grease (able to withstand 100C+ hot water and detergent) between the two lips on it, it may be supplied that way, ideally the same waterproof grease should be used on the shaft. I used a good quality waterproof silicone grease on mine, but most manufacturers have their own recommended product.
I enjoyed watchi your video.. the only my machine is Samsung model WF8602 NHS 6 KG DIAMOND DRUM FRONT LOADER JUST LIKE THE VIDEO ONLY THE BACK IS DIFFERENT.I REPLACED THE SPIDER SHAFT BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM OIN THE SPIN CYCLE.BACK N FORWARD 2 TO 3 TIMES THEN IT SPINS TAKES LONGER THEN 91MINUTES. NEED SHOCKS. I ASSUME.LOOKS OK.BUT I AM TRYING TO GET A PRICE.BUT ON SHORT WASH IT DOESNT WORK WELL.PLEASE Advise.Dan.
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Truly good work with showing all steps from start to finish.
Plus very good audio and video footage 👍
Keep them coming!
Thanks for the nice comment, looking forward to some more broken things.
Thank you so much for this video! I was gifted this washer and for years it has no issues. It suddenly had an issue where it no longer turned. I looked into buying new ones and got sticker shock.
I watched your video and felt confident I could do it. I bought the part on Amazon for $86 vs buying a new washer. You’re amazing! Thank you 🙏🙏
Great to hear you got it repaired! Saving that new washer money is awesome. Nice Job!
Just wanted to touch base again after I received my new Spider Arm and Bearings parts. The process was fairly easy thanks to your great video. Was able to fix it myself for $150 when service shops wanted around $1,000. The washer is as good as new. I so appreciate you taking the time to create the detailed video. All the best. David
Happy to hear that! Not the easiest repair, but a very satisfying one. The amount of money you can save is worth the effort. Appreciate the comment, Thanks David
I did this repair and my washer wobbles like all hell now. All new struts, new bearings, balance rings are still good too. What did I do wrong? When it spins it sounds like the motor plate is hitting tbe electrodes.
Love your style, thank you for being the perfect assist for me to replace mine. IMO, this is on the high end of moderate difficulty for a standard DIY'er. I really think your breakdown helped some find the confidence to tackle this. I can say you certainly cut my reassemble time in half.
Keep up the good work brother. You're helping some hard working folks save some $.
Thanks for the great comment! Good to hear this video is helping save money, and happy to assist!
I did the exact same repair several years ago. Parts cost me about $300.00. It was exceedingly gratifying to DIY. Saved a ton of money and resurrected the machine to nearly new condition. I was amazed at how dirty the inside and back of the stainless drum was (especially UNDER the spider arm). This was also the source of bad odor.
A couple of things though: since the spider arm was completely shot, it has to have caused excessive lateral forces on the main bearing. Since you tore it down that far, I would STRONGLY recommend changing out the main bearing. You had it, so why not? For what it’s worth, that main bearing is VERY VERY VERY difficult to press/hammer out. I think this must have been why you held back.
Finally, I would inspect all of the rubber hoses and front gasket for wear and minor tares and replace those, too. The point is you already have them removed, so why not swap them out for new ones now?
Other than that, WELL DONE!!!! It’s a fantastic DIY job!!
Congratulations on the repair! When I got to the bearing it was a tough choice. Did I feel like possibly opening a can of worms, or move forward with what felt like a great functioning bearing. The replacement bearing” not OEM” gave me doubts if it would fit tightly in the tub, and perfectly on the spider arm spindle. I rolled the dice. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
True master...if the replaced parts are also acceptable for the price, then the car will "turn" 21 years more than sure...those aluminum arms (the tripod) cannot be protected with any special paint, protective varnish or something else that would offer a longer lifespan?... today, I gave my old washing machine (Whirpool) that had "turned" the honorable age of 18 years... the fault was in the control panel, an integrated circuit which is no longer manufactured and I couldn't find it at the "junk market" or online...thank you for the real lesson that you were kind enough to share with those who needed something like this...God bless may he give you good health and good luck in the future...my respect for you, Dan....P.S. May I copy this lesson on my old computer (from which I am writing now) with a C2D E5700 processor, 2G Ram and 160G HDD?
That Whirlpool machine served you well, what a trooper. Coating the arm sounds like a good idea, but I think when the coating starts peeling it could be a mess. Thanks for the blessings! P.S. Nice computer
Great job! Cultivating that evergreen content.. AND THAT'S how you save $$$ for fishing! I don't have a Samsung washer but the right person is gong to owe you big for this video!! Strong work!
Hey Stephan, thanks! I hope sharing this repair helps keep a few more washers running.
@@CarlosPadillaCentex No washer left behind! Hell of a rescue mission!🫡
The part farest away from replacing is the most vulnerable. You try to imagine why it is not made from stainless steal.
Very good footage, thanks !
It’s truly the heart of the machine. The issue took my washer 7 years to show up the first time. I don’t think the manufacturer knew it was a weak spot. Only time would show this type of corrosion. Thank you!
@@CarlosPadillaCentex I think you are to naive about the problem. Many many brands have this problem.
Please search for "psa_front_load_washing_machine_shaft_spider"
a thread that mirrors my mind a bit.
Take care !
We've been using front loaders will aluminium alloy spiders since at least the 70s here in the UK, I believe spider failure has become a more common issue along with smelly machines due to the increasing trend of low temperature washing and the ever increasing popularity of liquid detergents. It used to be common to do regular 60°C and 90°C washes and use powder detergents which helps to keep the machine clean and free of bacteria biofilm which causes the corrosion - it is primarily crevice corrosion (oxygen concentration cell corrosion). Our powder detergents also nearly all contain sodium percarbonate (and many contain TAED as well) which kills bacteria. I use powder detergent, descale my machine once a year and leave the door and draw open between washes, the spider was clean and absolutely fine after 10 years of use when I changed the bearings and is still going strong 5 years later.
Using stainless steel would add to the cost, and appliance manufacturers are always trying to make them cheaper to produce. Even Miele swapped from pressed stainless steel spiders to aluminium alloy for a while, but had too many fail.
Thank you bro, saved me some money fixing this myself. Won’t need this stackable front loader too much longer so just wanted to repair it. Took a little work but it worked like a charm.
It’s either tear it down all the way and get it done, or buy a new machine. Great to hear you went the repair route! Hope it helped!
This video is outstanding! Literally step by step. Thank you!!
Hope it helps! Thank you
Holy crap! I've got an ancient Speed Queen, and have replaced nearly every part on there a few times over. A LOT simpler. Great job!
Great machine! The spider arm is one of the toughest parts to replace on this machine, but gotta go it. Thanks!
I got a feeling you done this kind of work before, great job !
Hey! Back in my earlier days I had an automotive shop. Changed out many engines and transmissions, and chased a bunch of wiring issues. This kind of project has the same feeling so it was enjoyable! Thank you!
My father in law trained me to be an appliance tech. He told me that changing a spider is a huge job, and you’d better change the bearing and another piece that I can’t recall at the moment. After seeing this video I agree with him that it’s a huge job and I would just recommend my customers a new washer lol
Agreed that it seems like a huge job. It’s really just a lot of smaller steps combined into one. On this type of project DIY would be best. For a paying customer it may not be worth it. Thanks
@@DravenThegloriouscat Sure, it's as deep into the washer as you can go...
But if one is mechanically inclined, AND one would rather spend $150 or less rather than $1200-$1500, than one should take the DIY route...
Hell, it's just another good puzzle for me, whereas others would be puzzled BY it...
Some CAN, and some CAN'T... That's what makes the World go 'round...
I can see your point, but I just can't justify spending hard earned money on an unknown. In ten years the new washer will be in this same condition, longevity is where I'm striving for. In my mind I think these machines should be able to be maintained for 30 to 40 years. My Mom and Dads Maytags were in a damp basement for at least 35 years an occasional hose here and there but nothing major.
Thanks for showing that clean up. Just got a new machine and this convinced my wife to ditch the softener.
It was dirty! I quit the softener too, the clothes seem to feel the exact same. I think my wife might use some when doing sheets for the scent. Good choice!
The downy scent beads do a good job of adding that scent back without the garbage. @@CarlosPadillaCentex
I thought I was the only crazy son of a bi*ch to tackle this kind of diy stuff !
You must be a mechanic? Auto body tech here 💪 I'm pretty sure I have this same issue with my LG, different but close enough to where your instructions gave me confidence to do the job, thanks brother!
You right about that, use to do engine swaps and drive drifting machines. Auto body takes some skill, I’m pretty sure you will knock out the LG! Thanks!
@@CarlosPadillaCentex hey, thanks again! I rebuilt my wife's Buick Lacrosse transmission a couple years ago watching RUclips, lol that was a first! I figured if some of them goons at repair shops can do then I have a pretty good chance 😅
Still running good 👍
I think my washer also has this problem. Seems to have a knocking noise when slowing down from a spin, ending with loud bangs as it comes to a stop.
I would run it with the top of the machine off. Make sure the tub is not hitting the sides of the machine. Start with the shocks “under $30” then try to diagnose it again. Hope that helps
Unreal video. Not fishing related but couldn't stop watching. You the man I know you talked about doing another video on wiring on your boat, could you show how to use a multimeter to check your wiring and fuses. I can't stand the videos that are on youtube.
Thanks buddy, I’ll try to hit on all aspects of the boat, especially wiring
Fantastic video! We just fixed our washer!
Happy to hear that! Hope you get a few more years out of it. Thanks for the comment!
Awesome video. I will be doing this in the near future hahaha. Thank you for recording all the details brother.
Thanks, glad it helps. When you do knock it out, I hope it goes really smooth and you save a lot of money!
When you have two different metals touching each other in an electrolytic environment (water is one of them) electrolysis will occur. The electrons from the aluminum/zinc alloy will start to migrate into the stainless steel and in the process will weaken the cast. This process will enrich the stainless-steel prolonging its life. Usually in the past the drums had a protection with fancy names but being in in water and in constant friction eventually that would fail or put some health concerns that today we care about. So, I believe is basically more of an economical approach from manufactures rather than a planned obsolescence. A spider arm can be under 60 bucks while a drum is much more expensive to repair or replace. Quality of the spider cast will tell how much will last. The tendency now among pretty much all manufacturers is to avoid using as less rare or important sources of material as possible.
Thanks for the breakdown. Makes a lot of sense.
To replace the door boot gasket spring more easily, use a section of plastic shipping strap that gives you a second purchase point to pull down and slip it back into position.
Great idea! I see what you are saying. Once it’s on the strap should slip out. That would have been slick. Thanks for the info!
I've been working on this myself, always nice to see a video of someone else going through the same thing! Thanks for posting. I was just wondering though - what's the purpose of adding dish soap to the seal and the bearing? Wouldn't that mess with the grease?
Soap on the seal is just for lube so the spindle doesn’t catch on the rubber. Soap on the bearing probably not the greatest idea, but I was thinking about how I had to hammer it out. A touch of WD-40 is a better idea. Thanks
With all the great job you did, man maybe i will give a try on my own machine, other than that i will recommend friend and family just save the money to purchase a new unit😂
Yeah for sure! I wouldn’t do this for someone and guarantee it. It’s 100% DIY for yourself. 👍🏽
super helpful and well done. i'll give it a crack and see if i can get a few more years out of it.thanks!
Thank you, I think the cleaning part took the longest. The rest is straight forward. Good Luck!
It is important thar you self clean at least once a month. If it's old you may as well replace the shocks and the two prints while it's open. Thanks for the video.
Good point. Self cleaning should help with build up. The shocks, pump, and drain hose can also be replaced when it’s apart. Probably another $60. Thanks!
I would recommend painting the spider arm. If you replace the bearings, it will help it last longer
Not a bad idea! Maybe powder coat. I planned on changing the bearing and seal, but decided used oem might be a better option. Thanks!
I painted with an insulated paint to prevent the galvanic corrosion with the SS. Only lasted 5 years. Replacing it again
I've done this same job and wondered why the spider isn't made of a better material. I had my new spider powder coated prior to installing it. I think it will last longer.
Nice! The powder coat should help for sure. The rest of the machine seems really well designed. I’m thinking it was one of those things that takes a few years to show itself.
Have watched your video several times. Nice and thorough job! Want to fix it myself. Have a Samsung Washer Model: WF520ABP/XAA. Purchased in March 2011. Where do you get your parts? Having trouble locating correct part numbers and where to order. Several places said the parts have been discontinued and couldn't give me any part numbers. Thanks
Looks like a hard part to find. See if this is the right part number.
www.partselect.com/PS4221666-Samsung-DC97-16509B-Assembly-FLANGE-SHAFT-PURPLE.htm?SourceCode=1&SearchTerm=WF520ABP&ModelNum=WF520ABP
That's it. Really appreciate your help and video. Have ordered the Spider Arm. With that number, I was able to find the bearings as well. The unit is 13 years old and figured since I had it apart would replace them also. Will be watching your great video as I replace the parts. Thanks for making it.
@@DavidWolf-o9g That’s good news! Hope the parts come in soon, and everything goes smoothly.
I have a Samsung that just turned 2 and is whomping on spin. The drum doesn't feel disconnected from the tub but it's not spinning in an even circle. Can the drum become warped without breaking the spider, or anything else other than bearing and spider give this symptom?
I’m not sure if it can warp. Sometimes socks and other items can work their way between the tub and drum while loading or washing. Maybe something got into the gap.
@@CarlosPadillaCentex Thanks for the reply, but I just found a broken counterweight stud, as happens on 100% of this model apparently. :(
@@richdixon Nice! Never know what could go wrong.
Great job!💪🏻 The only question… Honestly, how much time did the project take? Thank you.
Hi, Without shooting footage I would estimate 4-6 hours. Disassembly and assembly is very fast. It comes down to how easy the spider arm comes off and goes on, and the cleaning process. Thanks!
next time you have to take that door gasket spring off, use a terminal screwdriver in the loop to pull it off and use needle nose vice grips around that same loop to stretch the spring to get it back on. Much easier!
Sounds like a really good method. Might have to purchase that tool soon. I will keep that in mind. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing very detailed good video, I watch many times ❤❤❤
Hope you got the job done! Thank you
Within the next year or so you'll be tearing this machine apart to replace the bearings, adding the dish soap maybe wasn't the best idea and when you showed the drum being placed back in to the tub you could see rusty water coming from the bearing
Very possible, I really hope it lasts a few more years. I’m almost at the point of getting a new set just for the extra cubic feet the new machines have.
@@CarlosPadillaCentex My grandmother was the same way about her LG washing machine it was bought in 2006 but it did everything she wanted, i had to change collapsed bearings and a slightly cracked spider earlier this year
Yep, save the detergent for the dishes. Should have packed the seal between the inner and outer lips with waterproof grease to lubricate it, I used a silicon grease when I changed the bearings and seal on mine, but I believe they usually recommend white grease. I would have changed the water seal and bearings anyway considering the amount of work stripping it down, but especially after getting penetrating oil on them because it thins the grease in the bearings.
Wonder if you placed oven cleaner on it first for better clean up
That sludge was matted. A pressure washer would work really good.
Did yours have a wave washer? In between the bearings and the seal
No it did not.
Mine just broke to other day, needs the Spider Arm as well. I put it up on Face book for FREE. I don't have the time to fix it. Going to the curb Monday...
Not a bad idea, the newer machines don’t suffer this issue.
Mines looking water after i did the replacement. Its from the front left corner. Any ideas what it could be?
Hopefully not the tub seal. Maybe the gray door boot from door to tub. Maybe not sitting right, or a small tear that’s hard to locate.
I just got a big Samsung washer/dryer matched set in pristine condition for $250 on Facebook Marketplace... The seller told me in advance that the washer needed a new spider... I replaced the spider in my LG TROMM washer about 4 months ago, so I am experienced now... Yes, it's a tough job that I would NOT recommend for anybody with limited-or-no tool experience... But NO, the washer should not be thrown to the curb due to a broken spider... The job is entirely do-able as long as you watch your 'P's and 'Q's... And the replacement parts are cheap A/F on EBAY...
That sounds like a deal. Hope your repair goes smoothly!
@@CarlosPadillaCentex Thank You Sir... I'm under no time constraints, as my LG works like a champ... So I just do a little each evening after work...
The discomboobulation and recomboobulation of my washer went very well... It washes clothes just the same as the day it left the showroom floor... Thanx for your reply...
Great work. Given the stuff stuck to the back of that arm and drum, you are likely using way too much detergent, and fabric softener will make this issue even worse.
We use a lot of hot hard Texas water from the city. Something that did change is about 1 1/2 years ago we started using dreft detergent, softener, and scent beads for baby clothes. No clue if that had something to do with it. Good thing is the part is available and repairable. It’s probably a good thing the spider breaks, so the washer can get a good cleaning and bearing/seal inspection. Thanks
Fabric softener is basically adding an coating for fabric and it sticks to everything. It also creates a perfect environment for mold/mildew to fester in the machine. People figured it out decades ago and the product was in decline, but clever marketing and a new generation of people has caused it to come back in favor. It's like meet tenderizer, and while your stuff will feel softer, it impacts water absorption, so bath towels don't work as well. If used with workout clothes, it wrecks the special properties that help with wicking. Basically, it's evil stuff.
I would have replaced the seal and bearing while it was apart. The new spider arm spindle may not mate the same way, and replacing the stuff is cheap insurance. My dad would always say, "While it is in pieces, do the other stuff now to save having to do it all again later."
Always change the bearings when doing this repair. And extra $25 in parts will save you from have the take the drum apart again for a few years.
I did show when to replace the bearing and seal. I chose not to do it due to further complicating things. You can damage the new bearing when installing it, and really wanted to get the job done. I would agree anyone comfortable with it should it. Good suggestion. Thanks
This seems to be a design flaw with these front loading machines, and the manufacturer doesn't want to fix. Maybe if the spider was made out of a heavy teflon it wouldn't fail like it does. I read that what can cause the spider to fail is a chemical reaction from laundry soap an fabric softner combined. Thanks for the video.!!!
Some think it’s chemical and some say it’s the different metals passing current like a car battery terminal post rotting. A stainless arm would work, but it would be very heavy and expensive. Composite materials have come a long way. Great comment
It is mainly oxygen concentration cell corrosion, also known as crevice corrosion, which occurs if the alloy spider gets coated with grime (bacteria, mould, detergent and fabric conditioner residue, dirt, grease, lint etc). This biofilm excludes oxygen, creating variations in oxygen concentration across the surface which creates a potential difference between locations with lower and higher oxygen concentrations, so currents flow and the lower oxygen locations become anodic and get eaten away. It doesn't require dissimilar metals.
ruclips.net/video/SJojrEeQBTI/видео.html
@@mels8966 That's the BEST answer I've seen... You could make ALOT of money employed by LG/Samsung/Whirlpool... All those front-load machines are basically the same design, like all the manufacturers could be trading blueprints amongst themselves...
@@mels8966so what's the solution?
What did you use to get the spider arm bolts out, mine won’t budge
Hi, on 4 out of the 6 bolts the heads broke off. On 2 of them I had to grind the heads down to the threads. Put a flat tip screw driver or small pry bar between the drum and spider arm prying the drum out and spider arm up.
Thank you for the video. I did change my and the shocks the problem is it won’t spin now. And it won’t calibrate.. any advice brotha?
Any error codes? Check the wiring to the motor and sensor, inspect the plugs in the back panel. Also the ground on the motor.
I think most washing machine manufacturers intentionally use aluminum for the spider arm as it corrodes over time from detergent in water, so that it breaks after several years of use and the customer buys a new washing machine if it's too expensive to repair. They could have used stainless steel which shouldn't add much to the manufacturing cost.
That could be the case. I looked at a few a new washers when the spider arm went bad. They were anywhere between $700 to $1,200 without a pedestal. Then the dryer wouldn’t match. The dryer has been through 4 elements, 2 belts, thermal fuses, thermostat, and burnt wires. It was an easy choice to go on and repair the washer. It was less than $100 and about 6 hours.
Stainless would most likely cost quite a bit more than aluminum and last forever, those two things affect their profits
I have a WF331ANR/XAS 02 washer so far only replaced the door lock I'll be saving this video in case
Great job on showing all the steps clearly teardown and putting it back together!
Most definitely true... The auto manufacturers do the same... It's a concept called PLANNED BREAKDOWN, and it's been around for decades...
10:22 Qual a função do spacer and ring-og?
From the factory it had the o ring there. Maybe so the seal never touches the base of the metal spindle. I’m really not sure.
@@CarlosPadillaCentex Thanks for return
Quanto dólar para fazer está mecânica?
Less than $100
Where did you order the spare part?
a.co/d/8ptvnH4
Where can you buy the replacement parts?
Blutoget DC97-15491A Washer Flange Shaft Assembly with 6 Packs of DC60-40137A Spider Hex Bolt - Fit for Samsung Washing Machine flange shaft assembly - Replaces 2077008 AP4458785 PS4220876 EAP4220876
Amazon
Great video. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the comment, and happy to share!
Great job mate!
Thanks for watching, thanks mate!
hello where to get the parts
a.co/d/1txoSPh
EBAY
Didn't have to remove the door. Might as well have changed the bearing since you had it all open
The bearing was a tough choice. Even though I had a new bearing, it was not an original. The original has been working fine, and had no play. Hopefully it holds up.
how much would you charge for a job like this ?
I don’t like to charge anyone, just sharing how I did it. Thanks!
Mines a model number WF405 and couldn’t find a spider unit to fit it….
www.genuinereplacementparts.com/mobile_product_info.php?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADtSrOEPcpQzdwW6RL6WxYYTvlSVp&gclid=CjwKCAiArfauBhApEiwAeoB7qLUecvvrOUM__ZemNPT1cwLrK4ge8UHkpUfp8VIjFPGgPCizN_ezVRoCSOAQAvD_BwE&products_id=12841268&
Super video and truly usefull. Thanks
Thank you, really like hearing that it came in handy!
Where did you get the parts
Blutoget DC97-15491A Washer Flange Shaft Assembly with 6 Packs of DC60-40137A Spider Hex Bolt - Fit for Samsung Washing Machine flange shaft assembly - Replaces 2077008 AP4458785 PS4220876 EAP4220876
AMAZON
@@CarlosPadillaCentex MODEL: WF42H5600AP/A2
S/N: 0BZU5AEF804964N this my model number
Steps are a bit backwards but good instructions
Hey, appreciate that. Thanks for watching
Why was there so much dirt and debris in there?
The filter was full of corrosion from the spider arm, and some pebbles that were in my pants pockets. They fall into the tub drain when the washer is draining. The coating on the drum is dirt from clothes mixed with water and becomes matted up between the drum and tub.
@@CarlosPadillaCentex You got some dirty clothes, my man. Do you ride? Quad, dirt bike, etc?
Most of it is probably saw dust and grass clippings. No cool toys like that yet
what were all the parts/part numbers you bought?
Dc97-15491a spider arm with bolts, the bearings and seal I chose from amazon usually purchased together section, under the spider arm. Hope that helps
How many hours to do this job? Pretty sure my washer needs a spider arm. I hate to buy a new one as the machines today are garbage.
It was 8 hours total including moving the washer and dryer out of the room, clean, and reinstall. Without shooting footage and having tools ready I would estimate 3 to 5 hours👍🏽
Good job👍
Thanks buddy, just sharing with youtube. Learned a lot from it.
Awesome video
Appreciate the comment!
Omgosh what a job !
Thanks!
how much did the spider arm cost?
It’s not an original part. It was on Amazon for $86 with 6 bolts and O ring.
Good quality video except for one piece of criticism. Not changing the bearings at the same time of doing a job like this is in my opinion foolish. Change the drum bearings anytime you do a spider and vise versa.
Had to make a decision, perfectly good functioning OEM bearing or replace it with an off brand amazon bearing. It was a toss up. Thanks for the input.
Good job
Thanks, hope it helps
This is much longer than what I am looking to spend to repair a washing machine. Time is money as well, except this money you're not getting back.
It takes time for sure. The cost of the replacement part makes this repair worth it if successful. If you find that the drum is unrepairable when you get to it, the machine will be disassembled for easy transport or recycling. You can always return the unused spider arm.
Mine is 10yrs old and still original. I never use bleach.
It’s still a debate what causes this. We use tide and fabric softener. Maybe a water softener would help some. Glad to hear you got a good machine!
My washing machine is 15 years old and the spider is original, but I had to change the bearings after 10 years because the bearing water seal leaked letting water in the inner bearing, seizing it up. After 10 years of use, the spider was as good as new and drum and tub in mine was gunge free and spotless, bar a few patches of hard limescale deposits from not descaling the machine often enough. I have very hard water here and I suspect the hard inflexible limescale deposit coating the rubber bearing seal might have been a factor for it wearing out after only 10 years.
I use powder detergent which has oxygen bleach in it for much of my washing and mostly use the 40°C wash and do the occasional 60°C+ wash to help clean the machine, despite using fabric conditioner. Descaling it at least once a year and leaving the door and draw open between washes so it dries out also helps keep the internals clean. Never used chlorine bleach, UK machines don't even have a dispenser for it. Oxygen bleach kills bacteria and mould and helps clean the machine as well as removing stains, probably best only used in light colours and white washes as it can noticeably fade darks.
According to the evidence whirlpool provided in the US class action lawsuits against them, the main cause of spider failure is crevice corrosion caused by a build up of biofilm in the machine typically as a result of cold washes, using fabric conditioner and liquid detergents, which provides a medium for bacteria and mould to grow in, which can also causes a bad smell,. Also excessive use of chlorine bleach which can cause pitting through the aluminium oxide surface layer, and I believe the chlorine ions can speed up crevice corrosion. Another contributory factor in their oldest machines was using an aluminium alloy with a higher amount of copper (gives better ductility), which resulted in intergranular corrosion.
@@mels8966so what about he front load washing liquid or normal powder detergent?
You forgot to change the Balance ring!
Was going for the spider arm!
Not changing the bearings is a big mistake
Probably, I really didn’t want to risk a new leak or a new bearing fitting too loose or tight.
Any tips on finding the right spider arm? I need to do this on a Samsung WF45R6300AW but can’t seem to find the right spider arm for my model.
@@AverageatMostThings EBAY
Nice Orange sludge
Something odd about the sludge is it didn’t really smell that bad. Looked like the inside of a sewer pipe though.
I would just buy a new one
Sounds like a good idea
why would you go through all this drama to repair an obviously fatally flawed POS washer 🤷♂ That old washer with a !!!! Magnesium!Zinc!!!!! spider can't be worth more than 200 dollars
One of the reasons is the cost to repair is very reasonable. Another thing is purchasing a new washer leaves me with a blue dryer.
@@CarlosPadillaCentex don't get me wrong this is a great video and you did good work but the parts are probably close to $200 I just bought a used washer that's only 5 years old for $200 Facebook marketplace
@@randyyoung9892 That’s a great deal! I enjoy dissecting things to see the internals. And Thank You!
Poorly engineered washer
I’m on the 3rd drain pump, can’t believe the door to tub boot is still original.
Mine crapped out in less than 3 years from brand new, what a POS!!!
Hope you get it up and running, new ones are getting very expensive
waste of time
For some
Very good job❤
Appreciate it! Have a great weekend