Hypatia of Alexandria | Agora
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- This character and the real life woman are an inspiration.
As an INTP I think she is a character that is closest to my personality which is why I relate to her so much.
Music used: The Prophesy, Path to Freedom
Artist: Audiomachine
Movie: Agora (2009)
I realize that I made the background music too loud but it's too late to fix it...
#Agora #Hypatia
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A very incredible documentary. Job well done.👏🏻 what do you think could be the main philosophy of this movie?
Thank you! I wouldn’t call it a documentary though, it’s more of historical fiction as a lot of it is speculation. I think each person watching it could interpret it differently, but for me personally the main philosophy is to never stop questioning. This movie made me question the role of women in monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) and the attitudes such religions have historically had towards scientific progress. I think this quote could summarize the movies theme: “A true scholar has read a thousand books and is still full of doubt. A fundamentalist has only read one book but is convinced to possess the truth.” Then again someone else watching it might come to a different conclusion.
That Bygone Girl absolutely right! You are so full of knowledge. Thank you
She was a Neoplatonist, understanding the divine through learning and through brotherhood, she is more of a saint than Cyrille himself.
Cyril did not earn his sainthood in Alexandria with the murder of Hypatia, an act which even Christians at the time denounced as unbecoming of their fellow believers who performed it. Rather, he earned it at Ephesus when he succeeded in routing the Nestorian heresy at the Third Ecumenical Council following the events depicted in this film. He was also canonized for the better qualities of his character which assisted him in leading a proper Christian life.
I myself condemn the zealotry and fanatacism that led to this unfortunate series of events, but I am also annoyed that some of those who appreciate this film accuse the church of canonizing a man for his (possible, not confirmed) ordering of Hypatia's murder. Please consider my words even if you do not change your stance.
christodoulopoulos10 still he roused mobs to discredit a governor right? I read my history and yes Cyril himself was rather against Orestes who wanted peace and stability in the city but instead the Parabolani either under orders of Cyril stir up trouble, I must say That’s rather Christian of him to do so.
@@marloyorkrodriguez9975 This film also mentions Theodosius I, who in the first third of the movie gives a license for the Christians to destroy the Serapeion in Alexandria. Prior to this, Theodosius I had also ordered the massacre of the citizens of Thessalonica for killing one of his Gothic generals. Theodosius' predecessor Constantine I judicially murdered his second wife Fausta after it was proven that she had conspired to kill his first son Crispus. Mary of Egypt spent the early part of her life as a prostitute in Alexandria, while Moses the Black spent his early life as a murderous bandit in the Egyptian hinterland.
What do all of these individuals have in common with Cyril of Alexandria? Like him, all of them committed reprehensible crimes that are condemned both by the standards of our time and by contemporaries of their own time, and yet all of them are considered saints by the Church today, with the emperors having the epithet "the Great" attached to their other titles. The reason as to why the Church canonized them was because they repented of their prior actions and/or performed other good works that were more befitting of a Christian life.
The point that I am trying to make is that Cyril of Alexandria is not honoured as a saint for the actions that are depicted in this film, and I find it intellectually dishonest of you and others to advance this argument.
christodoulopoulos10 just like Saint Olga of Kiev.... the Christian Church forgives anyone who spreads their faith, no matter how monstrous their behavior was or how many horrific and unjust deaths they caused... Reverting other people to Christianity apparently scrubs off all the blood on their hands and absolves them.
The point I am trying to make is that some deeds despite being forgivable shouldn’t be forgotten, regardless, Olga’s actions were understandable she wanted to protect her son, Cyril’s actions were politically charged, and even Augustine himself a drunkard and a hedonist, as much as possible we shouldn’t forget those milestones that made them who they are now.
The story of Hypatia still puts me to tears. The Ancient Greeks have always been lovers of knowledge and that was the primary objective of Alexander the Great- An empire of knowledge and wisdom. Had they exapnded and continued we would've known much more of our world.
l I privere monotheism and the word that came after judeisum cristianity and islam . Also I prefer western civilization over dectent paganism
I priver cristianity over decedent and immoral paganism
"Hypatia's murder shocked the empire and transformed her into a "martyr for philosophy", leading future Neoplatonists such as Damascius to become increasingly fervent in their opposition to Christianity. During the Middle Ages, Hypatia was co-opted as a symbol of Christian virtue and scholars believe she was part of the basis for the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria. During the Age of Enlightenment, she became a symbol of opposition to Catholicism. In the nineteenth century, European literature, especially Charles Kingsley's 1853 novel Hypatia, romanticized her as "the last of the Hellenes". In the twentieth century, Hypatia became seen as an icon for women's rights and a precursor to the feminist movement, even though she owned slaves and was a believer in social hierarchies. Since the late twentieth century, some portrayals have associated Hypatia's death with the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, despite the historical fact that the library no longer existed during Hypatia's lifetime.[10]" -Wikipedia.
Sorry, but Hypatia's story has been romanticized in the extreme. She'd probably be a guest speaker on right wing television today, and was hardly a promoter of equality or feminism. She was a classist.
@@rrrr-xj6ll Oh but the world that came after Islam was the Golden Islamic Age when Arab scientists put the basic of every modern Science that led to the invention of many technologies in our era (camera(AL Hassan Ibn El Hayssam), Algebra (which is named after Arab Mathematician Gaber Ibn Hayan), Aligorthims , compasses, the basic mechanism of train engines and even Chemistry (Al Razi) and they even invented medical equipments that are still used till this very day including sutures), while the Dark Ages were haunting Europe The Middle East was shining with knowledge and science
Well until the Mangols came to Bagdad and threw all the books into the river
Alexander's primary objective was self-aggrandisement and building an empire full of cities named after him, and his primary objective in Alexandria was to build up an existing port in a beneficial location to supply him. The library was initially the pride of the city, true, but as Alexandria's fortunes waned it became an expensive boondoggle that the Ptolemies increasingly neglected, cutting its budget and turning the post of Master Librarian into a political appointment for loyal goons. It went from famed intellectuals to a former bodyguard of the King, and eventually the post became so mundane that chroniclers stop even bothering to record who the Master Librarian was.
It was also primarily a humanities faculty focused on literature, not science: those texts were the exception. Neither is it likely there was anything in there that wasn't replicated elsewhere, since our ancestors weren't so stupid as to keep only one copy of an important text. Consider the loss of a library to be similar to deleting the whole of RUclips: what would be lost would be people commenting on or explaining things, we wouldn't actually not know how to do anything the day after that we could do the day before.
You're repeating a common myth here: Greece in Hypatia's time had long ceased doing anything truly innovative in terms of scientific knowledge. All the greats had been dead for generations, and all they were doing was shifting around old works and writing commentaries on them. The knowledge we have from Ancient Greece represents that which was most worthy of preservation over the centuries: it's likely a lot of what we lost was just crap, much like we know now that the Greek plays that were best preserved were the ones that were the most popular and some of the lost ones we've found since are absolute stinkers.
The "story" of Hypatia is largely ahistorical fiction made up by people with axes to grind against various groups over the centuries. The account of her death that's most often repeated tracks back to Edward Gibbons in 1776 and no earlier, and every "quote" from her was made up by an American man in 1908. The truth is she had no relationship to the Serapeum (which was, by this point, a derelict temple which no contemporary source notes the presence of a single scroll in), didn't really do anything noteworthy aside from edit a commentary on conic sections, and died in a tit-for-tat assassination because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The actress is so sweet! Her voice is cute and her acting brave and sophisticated seems so passionate! Bravo to the actress!
Finally the movie gets some love :)
Not enough love if you ask me 😭
@@GalicianGranddaughter666 true! What a great historical figure and movie :)
SHE IS SO INCREDIBLEEEE. Great video!! Amazing tribute
This movie is a masterpiece
This is my favourite film❤❤ Hypatia, Orestes and Davus you're best.
You made me cry with this!
I've always admired your works but this is another thing on its own...
It is absolutely amazing. Thank you so much for this beautiful piece of editing and your mind, Eliza.
Thank you for your kind words ❤️
The editing here is far from perfect. I tend to have the words overshadowed by the music but I'm glad you liked it despite its flaws.
The most painful scene for me was when the christians entered the library and sacked the place destroying most valuable documents. Just like muslims when they sacked India simply saying "Qafir". Here it is Pagans.
the pagans were hethinisting pedophiles soo no I privere cristianity and western civilization not degenerate paganism
Кирил Елинов So you prefer the subjugation of women and the intolerance towards all other religions.
@@cybercheese3 the Greeks and the Romans practice and support this action openly. Christian priests who are doing this thing are doing it in secret because cristians see this action as immoral
But at least muslim saved Aristotle's works and used well Indian Math
Except it didn’t happen
This is really amazing
To unravel the truth of universe is such a high accomplishment. What was the point of living a life if you did'nt do inquiry and just caged in the prison of servitude?
Considering the point of the whole film was about the silencing of women and the effect that's had on women and society as a whole ... why was the dialogue overwhelmed by such LOUD MUSIC for almost half of this film? Couldn't hear a bloody word of it! It might have been an incredible film ... WITHOUT THE MUSIC.
It’s not just about Women it’s about the dangers of fanaticism as well
This video is so eye-opening and beyond inspiring. . . 😢😢😢.
How many lives could be saved if not a religious fanaticism.Roman Empire could exist longer many centuries if fundamental mistakes wont be made by weak Emperors.It was beautiful and esthetic Era of Human relationships ❤️
The Roman impire was a totalitarian state like China I prefer cristianity and western civilization over the Roman empire
@Hunter Smith xtianity is evil
@Alex Alex I also blame the empire's failure to properly assimilate the barbarian tribes that lived on its territories
Then I would go to the grave a happy woman............what a line.......legendary one.......😭😭😭😭
Beautiful film ❤
Curious to know Where did you see it?
This movie had me in complete tears. Biblical happenings can be so terribly heartbreaking. She went to her grave never giving up her beliefs. Hard times for women all through history & still going to this day. 😢❤
Great work.
Thank you
why the name Bygone?
Do you think you are old fashioned?
Actually I was just thinking of the fact that time is relative. Everything happens in a blink of an eye and I am just a part of history. Unlike people like Augustus or Einstein I don’t stand out. I will just be some bygone girl. Which is a bit bleak but true. I suppose I am a bit old fashioned too. There are some things that modern life lacks.
I want to ask the same question now. Why Indian Machiavelli?
@@GalicianGranddaughter666 Oh!
You are selling yourself short. I would take the liberty to say that you are creating a dent in the time-space continuum. We will remember you for your artistic expressions.
Anyways I liked the name Bygone girl hence the question.
My username is random and have nothing to do with me, but to my interests.
For quite a while I have studied Machiavellian philosophy and side by side I have observed how lay Indian people indulge in Machiavellian tactics to get things (good as well as bad) done.
This is happening in europe now
Je suis historienne et j ai beaucoup étudié les débuts du Christianisme. J'ai beaucoup aimé ce film mais j'ai quand même eu du mal à regarder la fin. Le destin d'Hypatia est si horrible...mourir de cette façon....
Tous les fanatismes sont pareils: à bannir, à exclure ! Car quand on voit notre société actuelle c'est la seule manière de s en sortir
Does anyone knows classical music in beginning ?Thank you
The soundtrack in the beginning is called "The Prophesy" by Audiomachine. I've used this version
ruclips.net/video/-QHLIzSimSg/видео.html&ab_channel=SubZero90EpicMusic
There is also a version with a choir.
ruclips.net/video/0ICUO_gPD4k/видео.html&ab_channel=berto2k66
@@GalicianGranddaughter666 Thank you 🙏
Please bless my friend devilal.....
After the British invading our Greek homes and land in Cyprus Greece 1950s they murdered most of my family and most of my family were only children. The Savagery of the British war crimes is hideous and the UK military is still occupying Cyprus, Greece. So for me, it's disturbing and anger's me to see British characters portraying my Greek ancestors, without even having any Hellenistic characteristics whatsoever, it really sickens me to my core, indeed. I know that these British actress's & actor's and other British people had nothing to do with the war, but there is still some semblance of hate within me towards them. There is an intelligent Movie to be made in English about Hypatia and the Alexandria culture, and Agora - (2009) this isn't it, indeed.
In Rome the Greek doctors were the best. University and library had writers from doctors around the world from India, China, Egypt, and even Mesopotamia.
A time when Romans thought of war. Greeks thought of philosophy in Alexandria, they thought of thought itself. Too bad, so sad. They couldn't put that in the Movie.
I don't understand, turkey is the one occupying Cyprus. British bases exists there against more Turkic expansion.
@@blazer9547 If you think British acted out of humanitarian motives in Cyprus or anywhere in their miserable life. I got a bridge in London I could sell you going cheap.
British bases exists so the British can attack and loot the Middle east.
The Brits were forced out of Egypt in the 1950s. So they invaded and annexed Cyprus.
They murdered many Greek Cypriots and helped Turkey invade Cyprus.
97% of the Greek Cypriot population wanted the union with Greece. But the Brits blocked our votes. The Greek petition and enosis became an international issue when it was accepted by the United Nations that Cyprus is Greece.
That's utter nonsense, Cyprus had been a British territory since 1878, you can't invade your own land. The crisis in Cyprus only resulted in the deaths of about 100 people in total (deaths were roughly equal on both sides), so your entire family being among them is staggeringly unlikely. And if killing 14 people (or 33 if you accept the legal settlement's figure) is hideous savagery I hope you never find out about World War 2.
A lot of Greek Cypriots were rather glad the British military bases were there when they were taking shelter at Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area and being given humanitarian aid after the Turkish invasion in 1974. Since, you know, Turkey couldn't get them in the base without starting a war with the UK.
Someone lied to you.
@@CruelestChris [ Lier]. Where were the British During the Turkish invasion of Cyprus (1974) You coward?
I find it really disgusting how the British invaded our homes and land in Cyprus in the 1950s and murdered our families and stole our land.
Than the British have the audacity to visit Cyprus and Greece. How Dare You!
Plus: Fat naked drunk Churchill got drunk with Stalin and carved up Europe for themselves. Called the [ Percentages agreement ]. Look it up.
You British are traitors and can never be trusted with history books. You clown.
Britain must pay for their military bases, and then be forced to give them back to the Greeks Cypriots?
(as its an utter disgrace that Britain managed to still have land on Cyprus).
The British also must return our Greek Looted PARTHENON sculptures, our Greek identity, our Greek heritage .
[ As its an utter disgrace that Britain managed to still have colonial loot from Greece ].
And keep your filthy dirty Scottish and English hands of Corfu, Greece, too.
We are still here celebrating the death of Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth II with the Eoka veterans’ association and activist and the civilian survivors who proudly resisted and defended Cyprus from British rule in the 1950s. I proudly say. It really is an honour, indeed. Cheers. 🍻🍺
And Greece is among the few nations - and the only EU member state - not to have been officially visited by the Queen.
And It gives me immense pleasure to announce that, indeed.
Her BMI is so good......just wondering whether philosophy n astronomy hav some great impact on BMI......
Tf?
😂
✝️ Religion of Love!?
All scientists were being tortured and killed regarding the bible doesn't align with science
That's literally never been the case. The church often _sponsored_ scientists and some of Europe's greatest minds were monks.
@@CruelestChrisThe effect of the church has been an EXTREME downgrade in comparison to classical antiquity, it was LITERALLY the golden age of the mid east and reminders of classical antiquity (art, manuscripts, scholars, and much more), that brought the barbarian kingdoms that inhabited the former WRE lands what is now known as the european renaissance, in which THEY (the entire society) STILL had not only reject scientific discovery and progress if it had a hint of opposing their Interpretation of biblical scripture, but PERSECUTE the thinkers
@lyricofwise6894
Yeah, that's called the "conflict narrative" and any modern historian will tell you it's garbage. European monks are among those we have to thank that any works from Greece or Rome survive at all, thanks to their work translating and copying them. And the idea of the "dark ages" is similarly played down these days since there were tremendous advances in agriculture, along with increases in life expectancy and literacy rates compared to either of the ancient empires.
The church didn't persecute thinkers, most of the thinkers were _from_ the church. Just look into how many medieval scholars and scientists were monks.
@lyricofwise6894
This is nonsense and any historian will tell you as much. You're quoting claims hundreds of years out of date that form what's called the "conflict narrative," the idea that religion was the enemy of science. It was not: many of the greatest medieval thinkers were monks, and the middle ages saw advances in agriculture along with a general _increase_ in the rate of literacy over Ancient Greece or Ancient Rome. The only reason we even _have_ many of the texts we now do is due to the efforts of European monks to translate, copy and preserve them, and the same for many works of art and architecture.
Let's face it, when you talk about "persecuted thinkers" you are talking exclusively about Galileo, a case where, in the strictest sense, the church was the one with science on its side.
@@CruelestChrisAngry e-christian defending under every comment the actions of the church lol.
I hate these christian fanatics. Arrousing the populace with just a book by an charismatic man (Cyrill) still works even today. I was shocked when they destroyed the Statue of Serapis and all the knowledge in the Serapion, but i was even more shocked when they declared Hypatia a witch and just all agreed to stone her to death, luckily she didnt had to endure that. @GalicianGranddaughter666 thank you for your amazing tributes, Octavian and Agrippina and Mary of Burgundy are the best, may the gods bless you and may they end the war in Ukraine!
Despite being extremely bright, it was extremely stupid.
I'm not impressed that she died the way she did