i find it hard to believe people enjoyed listening to this...I can't ever see myself crusin in my car and deciding..."im going to put on kyrie by giovanni palestrina." (i had to watch this for school btw)
Do you know where I can find this song sung by The Tallis Scholars? Or is this it? I haven't heard it in a while, and I have an impeccable memory for recognizing music, but I can't pinpoint if this is it exactly. Either way, beautiful and exquisitely written song.
I have the original cd of this beautiful choral music.. I think is one of the better interpretation of this masterpiece. Very spiritual, make me think to the God's greatness. To fully appreciate this work and many other of Palestrina I think is necessary to love God and his church.. Remember that behind this music was the inspiration of a great saint: San Filippo Neri. The complete title of the cd is: Palestrina: Missae Papae Marcelli, Westminster Abbey Choir directed by Simon Preston.
I actually had to answer another guy's comment and I felt like I had to say I was an atheist to make him see I understood his point, so I didn't come to this video shouting about it. And sorry for commenting here again, just feel I need to defend my statements down there by explaining that I never came here with a disrespectful attitude against Christians. The last thing I wanted was trouble. And it feels good that somebody thinks I have the right to love this music too, thank you for that.
@Assislau I am in a music history class at the moment and from what I learned Palestrina hated some of his madrigals later writing new sacred ones. Music is a gift from God, it is not used in "good" ways all of the time. Maybe God decided that the music without the religious view could be used to promote discussions like this one. As for the teenager, I already answered that.
@martinlian123 From looking at your profile, I understand that you are a child. When you grow up one day, you will perhaps understand why this music has survived for so many centuries, and why many people can listen to it for years, even decades, without getting tired of it. When I was your age, I didn't like it either. But as we grow up, we see, learn, understand many things about this world, and only then we begin to appreciate the really good music. You will see.
Of course I get all that, but this video is not about christianity - it's about music. (And I am very aware of the God-fearing nature of this piece) And therefor I think I should be able to say I'm an atheist without people having to show their dislike with my opinion. But obviously I can't. I am not mad about it, it actually amuses me a bit. As I said I think it's ridiculous. If there had been pictures of Jesus to this music - then I'd understand, but THIS is a tribute to music and not to God.
What is it I don't get? I wrote a comment where I said I'm an atheist, it recieved negative response and I wrote a new comment saying I don't think you should give people thumbs down cause of their religious beliefs. You answered by pointing out that many christians watch this video and I shouldn't had expected anything else, and I answered that I understand that but I still think it's stupid. That's how I got it. Where did I misunderstand something?
@Assislau But in view of the history of this brilliant work of Palestrinas', could we not at least state that he was attempting to demonstrate to Pope Marcellus, in response to the counter reformationist Cardinals within the Curia who at the Council of Trent, had called for "Polyphony" to be banned, that it could in fact be liturgical?
Yes, I can imagine that many who visit this video are devoted christians, but I just think it's ridiculous that I get negative response for calling myself an atheist, haha.
By all means, find it as hilarious as you please, but it is not for nothing that I call myself polymath. People always reproach me for my supposed arrogance, as if beyond a certain level of intelligence it is no longer permissible to harbor a self-assessment that is commensurate to one's abilities -or at the very least one is obliged to conceal it. Look, I think we better park it here. I'm clearly only pissing you off.
I. I don't share this perception at all. First, contrary to popular misconception, it is most definitely is quite possible to dissuade the religious from their delusions. I have done it many times. Admittedly, I seem to have done so only in private conversation and not, apparently, within the constraints of public discourse. But the primary rhetorical currency of challenging religious dogmas in public discourse lies not in the attempt to convince the theist, but in making him appear....
How does it follow that admires of Palestrina are likely to be overwhelmingly Christian? Moreover, you're failing to grasp that jrmullet78 is expressing disdain more than surprise. If I tell a room full of creationists that Evolution is an incontrovertible *fact*, and that any adult who has reviewed and rejected its evidence is, without exception, necessarily either stupid or insane, I would not *expect* to be well received. I would not be surprised but exasperated.
@Steinbach1984 I agree. The tempo seems too fast. Palestrina's music should "breathe" more. This tempo rushes the phrasing and doesn't allow each line to fully develop as a phrase - especially where cadences overlap - as the singers rush to take a breath. Still, it's hard to screw up such such a beautiful piece when you are working with (obviously) very competent musicians. Preference is ultimately irrational - even when it comes to tempi, I suppose.
In my opinion, I love vocalists than instrumental musicians (regarding that I am a violinist) because their voice is their instrument. They express how they feel and love about music (passion). Because of capella's like this, instruments was invented, and soon evolved into more sophisticated instruments as the brass woodwinds and even percussions. It's not god who made it, It's the people who loves music expressing their feelings to music itself
Where did I say I only believe in logic and science? I did not so much as faintly imply anything of the sort. In fact I believe just as much in love and poetry and kindness. Don't look so bemused -belief in God is necessary for *none* of this.
@MrVieweiV You don't know history of art. Art is an emanation of religion. And that's not a coincdence if Palestrina is a catholic. A muslim, a buddhist or an atheist couldn't make this kind of music at this time.
II. ...irrational, foolish, and potentially destructive to an ambivalent third party. This isn't always pretty or pleasant and can't always be gentle, but it is, ultimately, necessary and constructive.
"Geez, bashing religions never gets you anywhere..." Forgive me, but the computer on which you wrote that would not exist had everyone in human history been reticent to "bash religion". This is not speculative.
@tubatalen Palestrina hated his madrigals? What are you based to state such thing? What about non liturgical music? What about rock, pop, jazz? Is that music also a gift from God? What about music that has a atheist message? That music exists in many genres of music. If all music is a gift from God, then why is there music with non-religious message? When a teenagers sings and plays guitar in his bedroom is he being inspired by God? Or is he just having some fun?
@polymath7 But you don't believe it anything but logic and science. So its as if im talking to a wall. Furthering my point that once someone's beliefs are cemented into their being, it is unchangeable. You may not be all-knowing, but you certainly carry yourself as if you were. Its very unbecoming by the way. Quite possibly you're just entirely narcissistic which explains how you say you're not "all knowing"
@polymath7 @polymath7 2nd -Those "christians" that you persuaded to stop being "delusional" must not have been real "Christians." Quite possibly they were agnostic. Real christians (note: you don't have to go to church, know the bible by heart, etc just to be a christian, you just have to know and feel that there is a god) won't just give up because of your large words and pompous intellectual approach. I am a believer, and NO ONE can change my mind. I have prayed, & my prayers are answered.
@polymath7 1st - I take great offense to you claiming that someone religious (like me) are simply delusional. I have not once bashed your belief that your intellectual human mind can solve everything because i firmly believe you nor anyone else is all knowing. And in my mind, THIS is not debatable because there are things that the smartest individuals in the world cannot solve. But that's your life, and you're choice.
That was the only possible connection i thought you'd have in mind. I know with advances in science (including computers) there was an increase in questioning religion in general. I am not dense and realize this. My point was not related to this at all. I was stating that bashing other religions never gets you anywhere SIMPLY because the person getting bashed has their mind made up about how they're living their lives and what they believe. Basically, Its not as if they will change their minds.
sixties, please. beatles. stones. cream. doors. janis. jimi. dylan. zappa. jefferson airplane. mamas & papas. simon & garfunkel. cat stevens. It all went to hell after about 72, when rock bands (with a few honorable exceptions) were enslaved by the recording companies & did light shows and flashy costumes, to cover up for the dumb lyrics and the lack of real music. When it was still the people's music, they wore jeans and sweaters, and they sang about Vietnam instead of a bunch of sappy crap.
how dare I? Well, I could say the same of you... Palestrina might have been very devout, but what else could he have been at that time? Being an ahteist would have been quite dangerous... The mass might have been written in honour of Pope Marcellus, but that doesn't change a thing to the fact this music was written on earth by a human being... I consider your statement as much an insult to Palestrina as you consider mine... I guess we just disagree :-)
Schoenberg said the same thing and Johnny Smith proved him wrong. Yours is a defeatist attitude. Even if you were correct, not everyone has heard all that can be done in a tonal environment. Yours is the musical equivalent of the literary argument that everything has already been written. It's a stifling error and an excuse for mediocrity.
To Billyguns2- the magnificent choir perfoming the "Kyrie" of the Missa Papae Marcelli is indeed King's College Choir, Cambridge University, Cambridge, England, Sir David Willcocks, Music Director, Conducting. How do I know? I have the LP recording of the performance!
@polymath7 but you then claim to be smarter than any 3 ppl i've ever met combined. I find it hilarious that you believe this. And i DID NOT remove my comments because of YOU. For some reason they were out of order and the response seemed illogical.
The Kyrie is Greek. The prayers of the Mass were well known, so you hardly had to be fluent in Latin to understand what was being sung. Knowledge of the content of the creed, the gloria, the kyrie, etc. would have been commonplace.
this music was written on earth by Palestrina for the greater glory of mankind... i don't understand why some people feel the urge to have God involved whenever something beautiful has been created by a human, this is an insult to the genious of Palestrina...
the lay still certainly knew the parts of the Mass. I am not fluent in latin or greek, yet i can still follow what is being sung. although, i have some facility in ecclesiastical latin, so that may not be a fair statement....
grazie mille, ashashyki... comunque il pezzo è stupendo, e deve anche essere molto difficile da eseguire... devono essere molto complicati gli attacchi...!
Oh, let me guess I've gotten thumbs down for saying I'm an atheist... Am I not allowed to chose for myself what I am to believe in? I still admire this music very much and I thought that was what this video was about. Can all theists, if they wish to express their dislike with atheists, switch battlefield to another video and not do it on this one? Are you not here. like me, to enjoy this divine music? (And yes, I am aware of the irony in using that word)
@polymath7 Well forgive me, but i do not exactly see how there is even a slight correlation between the invention of the computer and hatred for other religions...
@MrVieweiV No, I am saying that people abuse God's gifts to us. God is everything, Music is a gift from God, humans abuse the gift he has given us, we distort our world with songs not about God. Music is about feelings. music is music, noise is noise, you are you, I am me, people are able to be inspired by the devil, that's atheism for you.
@MrVieweiV ....sacred meaning. This is one example of how music is a gift from God. But to answer your question, God wanted humans to have enjoyment in life, some of our snjoyment goes to praise God for Him giving us this gift, others don't realize that their gift is from God and abuse it, I won't mention anyone though. I really hope that I answered your question.
"...I think I should be able to say I'm an atheist..." You certainly should. The religionists who think they are actually *entitled* to have their beliefs go challenged in public -and make no mistake, they are many- are the very ones I take great satisfaction in ridiculing.
@Assislau My friend, I believe I understand what you're attempting to express. The first time I stood in front of Botticellis' masterpiece "Primavera" at the Uffizi in Florence, I was so moved, it almost took my breath away! And I knew that its inspiration came from no G-D! Blaine
@MrVieweiV In fact I didn't read the beginning of your conversation, I was only answering to your last sentence and thought that in your opinon religion had nothing to do with art in general, and this music in particular.
this music....is just simply moving. it lifts your heart to Heaven. i can almost see Our Blessed Mother and all the angels and saints gathered, worshiping the Blessed Trinity.
Great discussion. Like it. Just one thing: In the XX century, lots of composers studied the vocal technique of Palestrina. They learned it and composed requiems and masses in the same style. Some of those works sound very similar to Palestrina (due to the imitation of composing style). They sound.... Inspired by the God. The fact is that some of those composers are atheists or agnistics. How could they be inspired by something they don´t believe in? btw: Palestrina rocks :)
@tubatalen How can you say that writing music I like is abusing the gift from God?!? If a write a music that gives me pleasure and goes against the "rules" of God, is that music imoral? Is that bad music? Why?? Why can´t we do the music that gives US pleasure? Why do we have to do the music that gives pleasure to God? Another thing: How can you say what music God likes? God only likes music that praises him? Can´t he like other music? In that case, he is really close-minded.
@blainebill39 I agree with you. This music has liturgical proposes. I think that´s a fact, but the fact it has liturgical purposes doesn´t mean that it´s inspired by God or that´s "a gift from God".
@MrVieweiV Well, if you believe that God gave you (him) everything you/him got, including talent, then it is indirectly a gift from God, at least in my opinion. However, I don't see the point of using that phrase and especially arguing about it Greetings from Croatia :)
Hehe I'm listening to this for a school project and you know what? It ain't half bad! Lol even though I just finished listening to Seasons In The Abyss by Slayer, I can appreciate that it's actually very good. Just sayin' ;)
Oh, and I did not include the qualifier "other" I passionately detest *all* religions -though I hasten to add, this hatred of religions does not by any stretch automatically extend to their adherents.
@moltoallegro19 I miss spoke on Palestrina. Please listen to Gregorio Allegri's "Miserere" performed live in Rome by the Tallis Scholars. In my humble opinion it is singularly the most perfect piece ever penned. Again, please allow yourself the exquisite treat of closing your eyes and allowing these vocalists to let you feel the emotion of God through their voices. Absolutely stunning.
We are doing it too. But not with a hole choir but with 7 people. When you have a nice acoustic it's an amazing feeling and a stunning sound. Hope I will get a record when we sing it.
@marilyn0ng If you study psychology you would learn that feelings from specific areas in the brain activated by certain neurons in a very complex way. Of course this is all very hard to understand. It´s way easier to say that all is a gift from God.
@TheJbach One does not love the gift over giver? Yeah right. If a perv gives you a candy, are you gonna love the perv or the candy? :) Oh, lol, and the examples could go on so much. I come here to take a look into the history of music, but I stumble upon lots and lots of "believers". Must be really sad to listen to this music by default :)
@bamboccionethefirst Talent is not "given." Many people are born with a tendency towards music, and this tendency can be sharpened into skill through practice and study. It is a skill to be developed, not a gift to be given. Our thanks should go to Palestrina for being so dedicated to music to reach the level he did.
@bamboccionethefirst If you would stop believing you need a God giving you this power, you will probably find the courage to do something amazing yourself that will remain in the history and make a moron centuries later wonder if God gave him this talent.
@MrVieweiV Well first of all, it must be made clear that God created the earth and all that is in it. God created human beings in His image and he breathed life into them. God gave each human being some form of a gift, and for Palestrina, I guess that gift would be in his music. Palestrina wrote masses for catholic services. If you know the background on Palestrina, it is know that he had written secular madrigals, and later upon looking back at his life, hated them and wrote madrigals with.....
My chamber singers ensemble sang this about two years ago. I have to say this was the most difficult thing I've ever sang with that group (and that's 4+ years of singing combined!), and it frustrated me like no other. But listening to this now reminded me of how all that work is so very much worth it when you're sharing music like this.
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Don 't quarrel you two.
This music is worth more.
Enjoy, with or without one another.
Excuse my english, it 's known better days.
i find it hard to believe people enjoyed listening to this...I can't ever see myself crusin in my car and deciding..."im going to put on kyrie by giovanni palestrina." (i had to watch this for school btw)
This music brings Heaven down to Earth! Heaven is real!
Do you know where I can find this song sung by The Tallis Scholars? Or is this it? I haven't heard it in a while, and I have an impeccable memory for recognizing music, but I can't pinpoint if this is it exactly. Either way, beautiful and exquisitely written song.
I have the original cd of this beautiful choral music.. I think is one of the better interpretation of this masterpiece. Very spiritual, make me think to the God's greatness.
To fully appreciate this work and many other of Palestrina I think is necessary to love God and his church.. Remember that behind this music was the inspiration of a great saint: San Filippo Neri.
The complete title of the cd is: Palestrina: Missae Papae Marcelli, Westminster Abbey Choir directed by Simon Preston.
Just shows the depths to which music in the RC church has sunk in the 21st century, it has been downhill since Palestrina
this is amazing, I`m very happy when I can listen to the real music :)
Sorry, my English is bad
I actually had to answer another guy's comment and I felt like I had to say I was an atheist to make him see I understood his point, so I didn't come to this video shouting about it. And sorry for commenting here again, just feel I need to defend my statements down there by explaining that I never came here with a disrespectful attitude against Christians. The last thing I wanted was trouble. And it feels good that somebody thinks I have the right to love this music too, thank you for that.
@Assislau I am in a music history class at the moment and from what I learned Palestrina hated some of his madrigals later writing new sacred ones. Music is a gift from God, it is not used in "good" ways all of the time. Maybe God decided that the music without the religious view could be used to promote discussions like this one. As for the teenager, I already answered that.
estoy de acuerdo.
@martinlian123 From looking at your profile, I understand that you are a child. When you grow up one day, you will perhaps understand why this music has survived for so many centuries, and why many people can listen to it for years, even decades, without getting tired of it.
When I was your age, I didn't like it either. But as we grow up, we see, learn, understand many things about this world, and only then we begin to appreciate the really good music. You will see.
Of course I get all that, but this video is not about christianity - it's about music. (And I am very aware of the God-fearing nature of this piece) And therefor I think I should be able to say I'm an atheist without people having to show their dislike with my opinion. But obviously I can't. I am not mad about it, it actually amuses me a bit. As I said I think it's ridiculous. If there had been pictures of Jesus to this music - then I'd understand, but THIS is a tribute to music and not to God.
What is it I don't get? I wrote a comment where I said I'm an atheist, it recieved negative response and I wrote a new comment saying I don't think you should give people thumbs down cause of their religious beliefs. You answered by pointing out that many christians watch this video and I shouldn't had expected anything else, and I answered that I understand that but I still think it's stupid. That's how I got it. Where did I misunderstand something?
@Assislau
But in view of the history of this brilliant work of Palestrinas', could
we not at least state that he was attempting to demonstrate to Pope
Marcellus, in response to the counter reformationist Cardinals within the Curia who at the Council of Trent, had called for
"Polyphony" to be banned, that it could in fact be liturgical?
Yes, I can imagine that many who visit this video are devoted christians, but I just think it's ridiculous that I get negative response for calling myself an atheist, haha.
Sorry, but no it isn't. It's the voice of the people singing it - very beautifully, I might add. Credit where credit's due, please.
By all means, find it as hilarious as you please, but it is not for nothing that I call myself polymath.
People always reproach me for my supposed arrogance, as if beyond a certain level of intelligence it is no longer permissible to harbor a self-assessment that is commensurate to one's abilities -or at the very least one is obliged to conceal it.
Look, I think we better park it here. I'm clearly only pissing you off.
I.
I don't share this perception at all.
First, contrary to popular misconception, it is most definitely is quite possible to dissuade the religious from their delusions.
I have done it many times.
Admittedly, I seem to have done so only in private conversation and not, apparently, within the constraints of public discourse.
But the primary rhetorical currency of challenging religious dogmas in public discourse lies not in the attempt to convince the theist, but in making him appear....
How does it follow that admires of Palestrina are likely to be overwhelmingly Christian?
Moreover, you're failing to grasp that jrmullet78 is expressing disdain more than surprise.
If I tell a room full of creationists that Evolution is an incontrovertible *fact*, and that any adult who has reviewed and rejected its evidence is, without exception, necessarily either stupid or insane, I would not *expect* to be well received.
I would not be surprised but exasperated.
@Steinbach1984
I agree. The tempo seems too fast. Palestrina's music should "breathe" more. This tempo rushes the phrasing and doesn't allow each line to fully develop as a phrase - especially where cadences overlap - as the singers rush to take a breath. Still, it's hard to screw up such such a beautiful piece when you are working with (obviously) very competent musicians. Preference is ultimately irrational - even when it comes to tempi, I suppose.
In my opinion, I love vocalists than instrumental musicians (regarding that I am a violinist) because their voice is their instrument. They express how they feel and love about music (passion). Because of capella's like this, instruments was invented, and soon evolved into more sophisticated instruments as the brass woodwinds and even percussions. It's not god who made it, It's the people who loves music expressing their feelings to music itself
Where did I say I only believe in logic and science? I did not so much as faintly imply anything of the sort.
In fact I believe just as much in love and poetry and kindness.
Don't look so bemused -belief in God is necessary for *none* of this.
My music teacher sent me here, im no classical music fan so i dont know how the hell im supposed to tell the difference between these songs
@MrVieweiV all music is a gift from God.
@MrVieweiV You don't know history of art. Art is an emanation of religion. And that's not a coincdence if Palestrina is a catholic. A muslim, a buddhist or an atheist couldn't make this kind of music at this time.
II.
...irrational, foolish, and potentially destructive to an ambivalent third party.
This isn't always pretty or pleasant and can't always be gentle, but it is, ultimately, necessary and constructive.
"Geez, bashing religions never gets you anywhere..."
Forgive me, but the computer on which you wrote that would not exist had everyone in human history been reticent to "bash religion".
This is not speculative.
but surely our bodies will be in the ground, decomposing...
I *THOUGHT* it was the Tallis Scholars whose Palestrina performances were on that game... is it them?
Whata the answer to the homework tho
@tubatalen Palestrina hated his madrigals? What are you based to state such thing?
What about non liturgical music? What about rock, pop, jazz? Is that music also a gift from God? What about music that has a atheist message? That music exists in many genres of music. If all music is a gift from God, then why is there music with non-religious message?
When a teenagers sings and plays guitar in his bedroom is he being inspired by God? Or is he just having some fun?
@polymath7 But you don't believe it anything but logic and science.
So its as if im talking to a wall.
Furthering my point that once someone's beliefs are cemented into
their being, it is unchangeable.
You may not be all-knowing,
but you certainly carry yourself as if you were.
Its very unbecoming by the way. Quite
possibly you're just entirely narcissistic which
explains how you say you're not "all knowing"
@polymath7 @polymath7 2nd -Those "christians" that you
persuaded to stop being "delusional" must not have
been real "Christians." Quite possibly they were agnostic.
Real christians (note: you don't have to go to church, know the bible by heart, etc just to be a christian, you just have to
know and feel that there is a god) won't just give up
because of your large words and pompous intellectual approach.
I am a believer, and NO ONE can change my mind.
I have prayed, & my prayers are
answered.
@polymath7 1st - I take great offense to
you claiming that someone religious (like me)
are simply delusional. I have not once bashed your belief that your
intellectual human mind can solve everything because i firmly believe
you nor anyone else is all knowing. And in my mind, THIS is not debatable
because there are things that the smartest individuals in the world cannot
solve. But that's your life, and you're choice.
That was the only possible connection i thought you'd have in mind. I know with advances in science (including computers) there was an increase in questioning religion in general. I am not dense and realize this. My point was not related to this at all. I was stating that bashing other religions never gets you anywhere SIMPLY because the person getting bashed has their mind made up about how they're living their lives and what they believe. Basically, Its not as if they will change their minds.
sixties, please. beatles. stones. cream. doors. janis. jimi. dylan. zappa. jefferson airplane. mamas & papas. simon & garfunkel. cat stevens. It all went to hell after about 72, when rock bands (with a few honorable exceptions) were enslaved by the recording companies & did light shows and flashy costumes, to cover up for the dumb lyrics and the lack of real music. When it was still the people's music, they wore jeans and sweaters, and they sang about Vietnam instead of a bunch of sappy crap.
how dare I? Well, I could say the same of you... Palestrina might have been very devout, but what else could he have been at that time? Being an ahteist would have been quite dangerous... The mass might have been written in honour of Pope Marcellus, but that doesn't change a thing to the fact this music was written on earth by a human being... I consider your statement as much an insult to Palestrina as you consider mine... I guess we just disagree :-)
Schoenberg said the same thing and Johnny Smith proved him wrong. Yours is a defeatist attitude. Even if you were correct, not everyone has heard all that can be done in a tonal environment. Yours is the musical equivalent of the literary argument that everything has already been written. It's a stifling error and an excuse for mediocrity.
To Billyguns2- the magnificent choir perfoming the "Kyrie" of the Missa Papae Marcelli is indeed King's College Choir, Cambridge University, Cambridge, England, Sir David Willcocks, Music Director, Conducting. How do I know? I have the LP recording of the performance!
Wheres slash? lol its really nice this is
@polymath7 but you then claim to be smarter than
any 3 ppl i've ever met combined.
I find it hilarious that you believe this. And i DID NOT
remove my comments because of YOU.
For some reason they were out of order and the
response seemed illogical.
The Kyrie is Greek.
The prayers of the Mass were well known, so you hardly had to be fluent in Latin to understand what was being sung. Knowledge of the content of the creed, the gloria, the kyrie, etc. would have been commonplace.
this music was written on earth by Palestrina for the greater glory of mankind... i don't understand why some people feel the urge to have God involved whenever something beautiful has been created by a human, this is an insult to the genious of Palestrina...
yo tambien. does that make sense?! x
the lay still certainly knew the parts of the Mass. I am not fluent in latin or greek, yet i can still follow what is being sung. although, i have some facility in ecclesiastical latin, so that may not be a fair statement....
@inregionecaecorum the other being Spem Alium by Tallis? That is just divine :)
grazie mille, ashashyki... comunque il pezzo è stupendo, e deve anche essere molto difficile da eseguire... devono essere molto complicati gli attacchi...!
Oh, let me guess I've gotten thumbs down for saying I'm an atheist... Am I not allowed to chose for myself what I am to believe in? I still admire this music very much and I thought that was what this video was about. Can all theists, if they wish to express their dislike with atheists, switch battlefield to another video and not do it on this one? Are you not here. like me, to enjoy this divine music? (And yes, I am aware of the irony in using that word)
Catholicism ( Palestrina was one of the greatest Sacred music composers during the Renaissance )
Sorry, used my satirical troll account,; those replies were suppose to come from "polymath".
Who says they don't? I'm working on a Christmas Mass for 4 voices in the 16th Century style as we speak (after Tallis moreso than Palestrina).
oh please...i'm a christian and i'm telling you to shut up. it's not you're place to judge. you should know that.
I'm trying to study for my music exam. but this music is so peaceful its putting me to sleep. Its too beautiful
Me right now!
Excellent motet "Kyrie". Giovanni Palestrina arrangement is perfect.
Someone's a bit grumpy, hehe. But, yeah, I agree with you, I am myself an atheist. It was just an expression.
scusate, qualcuno potrebbe dirmi QUANTE VOCI CI SONO?? mnon riesco proprio0 a capirlo! =)
Do you usually judge things according to what you can do while cruisin in you car? Good luck!
How hard to sing a capella! Great!
@polymath7 Well forgive me, but i do not exactly see how there is even a slight correlation between the invention of the computer and hatred for other religions...
my choir has a concert today where we will sing the whole mass. i'm an alto and they have a lot to do!
Uma obra prima da liturgia católica idealizada por Palestrina. Uma sumidade!
No offense meant, but am I the only one who thinks the tempo is a bit hurried?
we need to interpret this piece, any idea how can we perform it beautifully
pasu esta musica es de la epoca de Tupac Amaru, pero del primero...
no it's the regensburger domspatzen directed by georg ratzingrt
@MrVieweiV No, I am saying that people abuse God's gifts to us. God is everything, Music is a gift from God, humans abuse the gift he has given us, we distort our world with songs not about God. Music is about feelings. music is music, noise is noise, you are you, I am me, people are able to be inspired by the devil, that's atheism for you.
I also am studying it but we did not even touch Renaissance music. :(
not when we receive our new bodies..mowhahahahaha
Are you saying we aren't allowed to compose diatonic music anymore?
@MrVieweiV ....sacred meaning. This is one example of how music is a gift from God. But to answer your question, God wanted humans to have enjoyment in life, some of our snjoyment goes to praise God for Him giving us this gift, others don't realize that their gift is from God and abuse it, I won't mention anyone though. I really hope that I answered your question.
@MrVieweiV every thing is a gift from God.
I like church music Xp they're so religious
Thank you! Finally someone rational enough to understand my point. And yes, beautiful music indeed.
"...I think I should be able to say I'm an atheist..."
You certainly should.
The religionists who think they are actually *entitled* to have their beliefs go challenged in public -and make no mistake, they are many- are the very ones I take great satisfaction in ridiculing.
Also studying, but also havent toucht rennaisacne music. :S
@Assislau
My friend, I believe I understand what you're attempting to express. The first
time I stood in front of Botticellis' masterpiece "Primavera" at the Uffizi in Florence,
I was so moved, it almost took my breath away! And I knew that its inspiration came from
no G-D!
Blaine
@Assislau
My friend, I personally do not feel the need to declare that a graet
work of art was inspired by the diety, though I am a "Thiest" myself!
@MrVieweiV In fact I didn't read the beginning of your conversation, I was only answering to your last sentence and thought that in your opinon religion had nothing to do with art in general, and this music in particular.
Just listened to gloria... is IS the tallis scholars
this music....is just simply moving. it lifts your heart to Heaven. i can almost see Our Blessed Mother and all the angels and saints gathered, worshiping the Blessed Trinity.
Great discussion. Like it. Just one thing:
In the XX century, lots of composers studied the vocal technique of Palestrina. They learned it and composed requiems and masses in the same style. Some of those works sound very similar to Palestrina (due to the imitation of composing style). They sound.... Inspired by the God. The fact is that some of those composers are atheists or agnistics. How could they be inspired by something they don´t believe in?
btw: Palestrina rocks :)
@tubatalen How can you say that writing music I like is abusing the gift from God?!? If a write a music that gives me pleasure and goes against the "rules" of God, is that music imoral? Is that bad music? Why?? Why can´t we do the music that gives US pleasure? Why do we have to do the music that gives pleasure to God?
Another thing: How can you say what music God likes? God only likes music that praises him? Can´t he like other music? In that case, he is really close-minded.
@blainebill39 I agree with you. This music has liturgical proposes. I think that´s a fact, but the fact it has liturgical purposes doesn´t mean that it´s inspired by God or that´s "a gift from God".
Although I realize Giovanni was a devout Catholic, as an Atheist I can say that this is simply marvelous.
Thank God! In the Highest! For The Sacrosanct and Infallible Ecumenical Council of Trent
@MrVieweiV Well, if you believe that God gave you (him) everything you/him got, including talent, then it is indirectly a gift from God, at least in my opinion.
However, I don't see the point of using that phrase and especially arguing about it
Greetings from Croatia :)
Hehe I'm listening to this for a school project and you know what? It ain't half bad! Lol even though I just finished listening to Seasons In The Abyss by Slayer, I can appreciate that it's actually very good. Just sayin' ;)
Oh, and I did not include the qualifier "other"
I passionately detest *all* religions -though I hasten to add, this hatred of religions does not by any stretch automatically extend to their adherents.
@moltoallegro19 I miss spoke on Palestrina. Please listen to Gregorio Allegri's "Miserere" performed live in Rome by the Tallis Scholars. In my humble opinion it is singularly the most perfect piece ever penned. Again, please allow yourself the exquisite treat of closing your eyes and allowing these vocalists to let you feel the emotion of God through their voices. Absolutely stunning.
We are doing it too. But not with a hole choir but with 7 people. When you have a nice acoustic it's an amazing feeling and a stunning sound. Hope I will get a record when we sing it.
@marilyn0ng If you study psychology you would learn that feelings from specific areas in the brain activated by certain neurons in a very complex way.
Of course this is all very hard to understand. It´s way easier to say that all is a gift from God.
@TheJbach One does not love the gift over giver? Yeah right. If a perv gives you a candy, are you gonna love the perv or the candy? :) Oh, lol, and the examples could go on so much. I come here to take a look into the history of music, but I stumble upon lots and lots of "believers". Must be really sad to listen to this music by default :)
@bamboccionethefirst Talent is not "given." Many people are born with a tendency towards music, and this tendency can be sharpened into skill through practice and study. It is a skill to be developed, not a gift to be given. Our thanks should go to Palestrina for being so dedicated to music to reach the level he did.
may one know what they are saying? pls
@bamboccionethefirst If you would stop believing you need a God giving you this power, you will probably find the courage to do something amazing yourself that will remain in the history and make a moron centuries later wonder if God gave him this talent.
where is the Palestrina of the 21st century?
The skill to compose this heavenly music is an intangible asset and gone with the wind.
Extraño comentario, aunque cronologicamente correcto. De cualquier modo, esta musica es bellisima y completamente intemporal.
@MrVieweiV Well first of all, it must be made clear that God created the earth and all that is in it. God created human beings in His image and he breathed life into them. God gave each human being some form of a gift, and for Palestrina, I guess that gift would be in his music. Palestrina wrote masses for catholic services. If you know the background on Palestrina, it is know that he had written secular madrigals, and later upon looking back at his life, hated them and wrote madrigals with.....
My chamber singers ensemble sang this about two years ago. I have to say this was the most difficult thing I've ever sang with that group (and that's 4+ years of singing combined!), and it frustrated me like no other. But listening to this now reminded me of how all that work is so very much worth it when you're sharing music like this.
test on this mate tomorrow