Unmasking the Enigma of a King's Twin - Forbidden History - S03 EP4 - History Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Uncover the enigma of the Man in the Iron Mask, potentially King Louis XIV's twin. Explore the extraordinary measures taken to conceal his identity and why he stood out from typical political prisoners. See his unchanged prison, ponder the secrecy, and question the monarchy's power play.
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I'm wondering if they didnt keep him alive just in case something happened to the king, because there is always the "heir and a spare" a twin would be an epic spare. Also begs the question of how old was he when they masked him? Did he recieve a similar education in order to have a prepared backup? Soooooo many more questions.
You're exactly right, if something happened to the king he would need to have a replacement. My question however is thus. He would need to be highly educated in language, politics, music, as all would have to be if they had stature. That would require an army of educators coming and going regularly???
Wouldn't there have been a major royal announcement upon the birth of 2 princes? How could a twin be kept secret?
@evalevy2909 hidden at birth. Wouldn't be the first elite oops baby sent elsewhere to be raised.
@@samanthaspringman5527
So true
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
My late hubby was French.
According to him, the Comte de Paris knows who this person was. It's passed from father to son. However, it is doubtful the mask was of iron but rather made of velvet. The man was under the Guardianship of Bruno de St Mars, following him as he moved from prison to prison.
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A magnificent story. But it's not a story. It's a sad episode in one person's life. The poor soul. May his soul be in peace. Thank you very much for your posting of this video. Much appreciated for all your efforts..... 😢
Just so. A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
He was a character in an Alaxander Dumas novel.....
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
It’s unlikely it was the twin to the Louis XIV. Royal births was a spectator event, dozens of people on the room before, during, and after birth. And if the treated him so well in life, why would they leave his body locked in a cell? It’s also if there was a iron mask, it wouldn’t have been worn 24/7 and it would probably be used for transferring the prisoner. Also hiding someone face doesn’t necessarily mean they’re recognizable. It could be a form of torture a way of completely stripping away the persons identity and prevent them from being recognized by family, friends, or associates. It really seems like they cherry picked information here in a form of confirmation bias.
They would’ve announced twin boys at birth…. He might have had some deformity?
If he was the twin brother, it seems like there would have been some record of the Queen having twins. That would have been great news. It would have shown the virility of Louis XIII. They would have had an heir and a spare. If, however, Louis XIV had been illegitimate, they would certainly have wanted to hide that information.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 yes, but who else could be so well-known that their face needed to be covered?
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 queen sleeping with a musketeer and giving birth to the future king? thats the plot of an episode of the 2014 BBC musketeers tv series
@@nataliapanfichi9933 It is also the plot of movies etc. It DOES NOT make it real. That has been debunked many times for Louis. Many queens have had twins and it wasn't hidden.
I've read some time ago a very interesting piece of information that pertains to your question: that there was a widespread belief at the time that the second born from a pair of twins was actually the first conceived. I don't know why they were so attached to this belief but they were. In this particular case, twins were not expected, only a single baby by all probabilities, not to mention a very a-typical birth of twins (which occurs nowadays and is not such an extraordinary medical condition). The first that was born was most probably the historical Louis XIV that we all know, everybody would have been happy and would have notified all interested parties, the birth procedures would have been concluded, and everything recorded. 2-3 hours later, contractions would have started again, and the unexpected twin showed up. So there would have been a 2-3 hour delay between the twins. How were they to publicly announce that another baby was born and that baby was (according their belief) the rightful king? It was too late for that.
He had the same jailer his whole life and a private cell because he probably only had to wear the mask in public or when someone else saw him
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
An illegitimate brother to the King who looked almost EXACTLY like him would also have bee a serious matter - to be hidden forever but not killed because of the shared blood. There was a lot of superstition about royal blood back then and the curses descending upon those who spilled it dishonorably.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
Hilarious in the fact that royalty are just ancient wealthy people who used thier army to conquer a land then claim thier bloodline is royal..... no you just murdered people
What about hair growth? Cleanliness? Irritation wounds?
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
If there was someone wearing the mask I don’t think the mask was on all the time, maybe only when they transported him to different cells or prisons
? if they know where he is buried why not try to do a DNA test and prove it one way or the other ~
Louis XIV and all other royal bodies were destroyed during the French Revolution. It would be difficult to find DNA to match.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
If the man in the mask was a brother (twin, true heir/illegitimate, whatever) to the king, I would like to know how he would have been hidden through his entire childhood since he wasn't put into the mask until he was an adult. It doesn't add up that he wasn't "hidden" until that time yet there is no record of a brother to the king (or prince when he/they were young). There are too many unanswered questions to accept this theory as fact. I'm not saying it isn't the truth, just that I would like other questions answered before accepting any theory.
Unless the people who cared for him knew what the king looked like, and were close to any of his residences for any other common folk to notice him, I don't think anyone would have noticed one way or another.
My thoughts exactly. None of it makes sense. IF there was a twin, how come there is total silence about it? There is gossip about the queen being impregnated by a soldier, but none about a twin? I don't see why you would not just have killed him anyway. The Royals of all nations were bumping each other off all the time, so the 'Oh, .he's my bro' line doesn't wash. Would you want to keep your brother like that? He would have been better off dead. The whole thing is implausible. Why did they not look for a twin, or even for costs and stuff for this mystery man? It is not that long ago, in historical terms; I am sure there would be something Somewhere. also IF this heir was so important, surely they would have had witnesses at the birth. Were they all sworn to silence, or silenced? And what is the big deal about having a twin anyway? They always wanted an heir and at least one spare, they had a BOGOF here! James 2nd of Scotland was a younger twin.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 ueen sleeping with a musketeer and giving birth to the future king? thats the plot of an episode of the 2014 BBC musketeers tv series.
one important thing to know is that royal births were public (in order to make sure that the baby was born of the Queen)...thus it cannot be a twin...especially knowing that the King and Queen had been waiting 20 years for an heir (at this time chidren died oftern when young, they would'nt have jeopardize the succession by making the twin disappear...). I don't believe in a twin brother, but it could be an illegimate child of the Queen (Mazarin was considered her lover)...but I don't believe it either...it could be someone like Fouquet though (no blood relation with the King, but a very important man of the time and with many secrets and supporters)
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
I’m honestly of the opinion that he was the King’s real father. There are rumors that Louis’ father was in the closet, which is why he never produced an heir as a young man, so having someone else father the heir in secret would make sense. And if the biological father looked near identical to the king, that would have caused some serious questions about the legitimacy of the monarchy.
A royal twin (or father) has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
That's what the show "Versailles" claimed too. I doubt that, as i believe Louis and Phillipe looked a lot like their father, Louis XIII
It doesn't make sense that the Man in the iron mask would be the brother to the king, they would have had to keep that child hidden all its life. The better sense says that it's the King's real father.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
I thought women had to wear a mask or head-cage as a form of punishment or treatment? I recall seeing a variety of iron masks in a book. A man could give almost any reason to have his wife looked up.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
It was called a Scolds Bridle, for nagging women, that often included a gag that may or may not have been barbed.
Hello! An iron mask. Worn for years? The skin, unclean. For years. Skin would have rotted away in a very short time. Being clad in iron. No air no water no cleansing. Face rotted away under iron. In a very short time, certainly not decades. Also, what about rat infestation? Certainly those little dudes would have had a very fun time
If there was twins born, wouldn't someone know it? Would they have hidden it since birth?
Wouldn't be the first time that the peasant class was paid to keep secrets.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
cant really watch this. This is just bending reality to match one's fantasy and not a bit of actual fact
Any chance of DNA from the burial?
Église, cimetière St-Paul et prison St-Eloi sur plan de Turgot
hate these kind of...maybe, possibly, might have been, NOT PROVEN, can't authenticate....think i got MORE out of a hollywood movie!!! i'm out
Why would his skeleton stop be found there? If he was important enough for all the special treatment wouldn't he be given the courtesy of a burial? Would they have really left him there to rot?
If he was related to royalty or elite he would have been buried under a fictitious name.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
He didn't even HAVE a twin brother ....
The mask (if there was one) could not have been made of iron, especially if permanent. How would he shave? That man wouldn't have lasted long.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
I find it odd, they had to wear gloves when touching the mask for preservation and not leaving marks, but this dude 16:40 just wore it.
I think it may have been a secret lover of the queen , he has probably handsome that all women loved him but he loved the queen who had $ & power and showered him both both when caught instead of killing put him in a mask so she can never see his face again and knowing he is alive but will die in the prison and they can never be together ever again.
I read that the man in the mask was not the King’s brother but his FATHER. The King was actually illegitimate and that was the secret that had to be kept hidden.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
How many times do they have to repeat the same thing.?
Fairly certain it’s known that the real mask was a velvet bag.
Eustace Dauger was the man's name, and no twin of the king.
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 that's one of the theories but I don't believe anything has been confirmed.
Were is the man the iron mask buried and were is the king buried and why not do a DNA test to see if they were in fact related
If he was the twin brother, what happened to him growing up? Did he grow up on a farm and then once it became clear he looked like the adult king, he got put in the mask?
Can't they get or try to get any DNA from it? There may be some left - it covered the face - there should be DNA everywhere.
They don't have the mask, just something 'supposed' to be. Plus it is likely the DNA, in the unlikely event there Is any, would be useless ,as it would be corrupted. DNA tests aren't magic answers. That is Hollywood again.
I thought it was a mask of velvet anyways
I'm sorry it be simple to figure out who he was and one thing the French royal family would want him to be known by now.
I am not aware of any Royal sets of twin heirs in history. Has anyone ever heard of this in any house in any country? I'd like to know...
James 2nd of Scotland was a younger twin. older sibling died in childhood so he inherited. There are plenty of twin royals if you google. Not many heirs to thrones though ,although some are in line.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
In those days and earlier all sorts of barbaric things were done too prisoners, if it was the twin of the king why not just forcibly disfigure his face then throw him out in the woods.
There were superstitions about doing violence against anyone with royal blood.
Such a thing would have been treason.
Would there not have been a record of twins being born and raised there to adulthood.?
If there were royal twins, they couldn't record it, because it would mean they both had claim. Think about it, there has NEVER been a single recorded set of male twins in ANY dynasty. Don't you think that's a little odd?
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
Royal blood just means a man aquired and army conquered a land he took from someone else and now claims hes royalty bc his family stayed wealthy through ruling thier conquered land😂
queen sleeping with a musketeer and giving birth to the future king? thats the plot of an episode of the 2014 BBC musketeers tv series.
Every book is wrapped with grains of truth as the saying goes. 😊
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
Being born royal comes with a price...thankfully, I don't have to pay that one.
I've heard that the mask was velvet, and the Iron mask only served for Dumas' Story. Either way, I feel for this guy 😢
Maybe he was a pious religious royal who asked that it be put on him in some.kind if religious act. There were a lot of monks and religious seekers back then. Maybe a royal with Cathar views. In other words it is possible that he chose to be there.
Jus the othe day by chance found this wonderful channel ez to say thanks we hook.? Ps did they let keep the mask 😷?.)
I bet the front piece was hinged so it could be opened for shaving, washing, reward, etc., & secured otherwise with a small padlock. Also, there was probably a padded headcovering & it could also be removed for cleaning & exchange as well.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
I dont understand why the older of the two twins would be singled out for some reason to be carted off to prison...this sounds so arbitrary...the other thing could have been that the child had some.sort of disfigurement that meant that his face should not be seen and hence the reason for the iron mask
Or a mental issue from inbreeding or whatever.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
From what we know of Louis Quatorze, I would not be surprised.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
The you don't know much
@@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059exactly
I hate conspiracy theories
Id bet that wasn't the mask lol
I recal in the Louie Hayward movie, the line
Now well see how fast your beard grows, BROTHER
Younger brother maybe. Twin seems the least likely. Bishops were refers to as Prince of the Church…just a thought
Sanji
Can you imagine if you were claustrophobic? AND you had wear THAT?
If you can't get the title right then it's not worth watching your channel. It was a velvet mask
What a brutal life this man had. 😢Imagine wearing an iron mask 🎭 🎭all your life for 40 years in prison. 😢His only sin is being born a twin to a king. 👑
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
Absolutely not the whole mask but yeah I can see that being on somebody's face locked on😢
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
It will be so wonderful if we just have a time machine and travel back to figure everything out.
A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
I won't even watch this BS. A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true.... you need to head to the NONfiction section of the library sometime, you may learn something.
Dumas had a writing "factory" set up. He would write the bare bones of a story, and he had workers fill in the rest... his black tulip is full of inconsistencies. It was pulp fiction, just to make money.
Why dont they do a metal analysis on that mask
Because they don't have the mask. Just something that 'might be'
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A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
Are their any human remains for DNA analysis
No. And if there was, what do you think you will find? DNA isn't an oracle, however much silly TV shows and dodgy ancestry companies like you to think so.
Recently, documents and paintings have been discovered hidden in an old French castle that reveals the man in the iron mask looked exactly like ............Leonardo............ Dicaprio.
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A royal twin has been debunked many times by French records. There was a man, Eustace Dauger who was a servant, that had to wear a cloth bag and be silent whenever anyone but his jailer would see him, but there was no iron mask. That, and the twin thing, is an embellishment of the situation by French author Alexandre Dumas, and is even located in the FICTION section of the library/bookstore. Even Dumas didn't claim it was true....
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