@@AidanEyewitness Yeah, i'm still here. You may remember that the charity that I worked for, LADT moved down to Jamaica St from Vernon St in 2001, when it was pretty much the same as iit had been since the 1980's. The bigindustrial unit we moved too became the first sub let/start up business units thing down there!
Enjoyed the video. Liked to see Jamaica Street mentioned since that's where I was born. Can't wait to have Scouse again. Delicious stuff. I agree with you that 1 Parliament Square is a stand out addition. It's nice to see something that isn't bland. The new station will also be a great addition. It seems train stations have positive impacts when it comes to development.
Many thanks for your kind words. Yes, surprisingly, not many people know the origin of Scouse. It really shows the international character of Liverpool.
I'm only 20 and this area has already changed so much in my lifetime, and there's still a lot of empty land for them to build on in the future. It has been very interesting to watch it change.
@@AidanEyewitness Yes. Hopefully it doesn't change too much though. I don't want them to replace too many more of the warehouses with high-rises because that could risk the baltic triangle losing what made it unique in the first place. I think there's enough empty land for them to build on without them demolishing any more warehouses like they did with the constellations building. Anyway I hope the Baltic continues to survive and thrive. From clothes markets, to the live music events, it's the independent business owners and artists who make the baltic the unique and intriguing place it has been.
Liverpool will not have large numbers of tall buildings, unlike Manchester down the road. Also the Baltic Triangle is in front of the Anglican cathedral, so a no, no.
The south end of the Baltic Triangle was originally in what was then named _Harrington._ Harrington was a town in its own right at one time, actually being bigger than Liverpool next door. Harrington town hall was still there in Grafton St until about 20 years ago - may still be there. May be now demolished as Liverpool hates its own past. There was a big scheme to expand to the south grand Georgian houses and streets, with one or two houses still remaining - to the side of the Liverpool Baltic station one remains. Georgian streets also expanded east from the centre to Edge Hill. However the port expansion to the south entailed dock building, claiming the foreshore with commerce and industry setting up scuppering the expansion. The developer who was to expand Harrington also went bust which never helped. St.James' church of 1774 is a leftover of the expansion. Incidentally St.James' was one of the first ever churches with partial cast-iron construction, if not the first. St.Micheal's in St.Micheal's in the Hamlet and St.George's church at Everton are wonders of cast iron construction, with the shipbuilding industry supplying the cast iron. The Georgian street expansion to the east was uninterrupted by industry and still there today. The southern expansion fizzled out. I was born in one of the southern grand Georgian houses, which the city in its wisdom demolished.
Many thanks - If I slowed them down the would be much more than my standard 10 minutes. If you go to the Cinemaker channel you can see extended views not speeded up ruclips.net/video/v0ZeYg1RxJ0/видео.html Thanks for the favourable comments, they made my day!
You could just change the playback speed to 0.25, 0.5 or 0.75 on the RUclips settings button - or even hit the pause button on the bits you want to see more 🤷🏻♂️
Greenland St was named after the short lived Liverpool whaling industry. The ships worked off Greenland. The South End Docks did a lot of Caribbean and West African trade with lines like Elder Dempster and hence Jamaica St. There was the African Oil Mills. Chinese and black sailors settled in the South End near the docks, initially L1. Hirohito's relative lived in L1 with Hitler's brother living in L8 - at the same time. They had a football team that played in Blundell St named African Royals. They changed their name to South Liverpool moving to Dingle Lane near the foreshore. They attracted attendances of 18,000 pre WW1 equalling Liverpool FC, with a big club future. They were given their notice by the landlord the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, as they were to build the Dingle Oil Jetty - used for PLUTO for D Day. The football team never recovered moving away from its core fanbase.
Have you heard anything about the strand phase 2 happening? They said it would start in 2024 as they put it back due to the Eurovision. Haven't heard or seen anything since. It was meant to start near St James street and go right up to the Baltic Trinagle, Same as Phase 1.. Less lanes more trees and new paving etc.
It’s a combination of Welsh and Irish who were the two biggest migrant groups during the 19th century and later. Have a look at my ‘Welsh influence’ video from a couple of years ago. Many thanks.
@@AidanEyewitness the south Liverpool accent is different than the north Liverpool accent . The south accent is softer , the north end accent is harsher and faster .
All _The Beatles_ were from the South End. That is how many of them sound. The North Liverpool accent sounds like static. The Scouse accent is regarded as a working class accent, as is Cockney to London. Many do not have the course hard accent that is stereotyped on TV
Jeez, I worked in the area back in the mid '70s when it was more Bermuda Triangle than Baltic Triangle. Shipping in the south end had finished and it was part of Thatcher's 'managed decline. I never expected it to be regenerated like this whilst retaining its multicultural diversity. As an aside, I always believed 'scouse' had Scandinavian' origins but I guess there was a Germanic influence too.
Yes the transformation is incredible. North Germany is part of the Baltic region up till 1945 its coastline ran along the whole southern edge of the Baltic. Labskaus may have a Scandinavian, maybe Finnish origin.
Another very good quote for an essay title, 5000 words deadline this Friday! Joking apart, a very good question that can’t be answered in a couple of sentences!
@@AidanEyewitness Liverpool has regenerated itself from the bad old days but Manchester has not been able to infuse the city centre with heart and soul like Liverpool.
@@neilduran3586 Liverpool's city centre already had that heart & soul to begin with so extending the format was not that difficult. Although we can all look at horrendous mistakes recently, like the philistine obliteration of Cases St and constant historic dock filling. No disrespect to Manchester, I, and I emphasise only I, felt it had something that it lacked which I could never pin down. Maybe Mancunians could help here. Or is it just me? I am no fan of the current random glass block reincarnation of Manchester. Liverpool is selective where it builds them. Although the rejection of the Brunswick Quay Tower was total parochial stupidity - by a Manchester architect as well. London, and Paris of which I have known well for over 30 years, are all primarily low rise in the main centres. Two cities renowned for their vibrancy and easy to live in.
@@AidanEyewitness A similar venture happened in Christchurch NZ (Re-START) after the 2011 earthquake destroyed parts of the city centre. Love your films btw
1:40 The Baltic Convenience's building is still fairly new so I don't know why they chose a pebble-dash frontage, and the wooden areas probably won't age well. Pretty ugly in my opinion.
Well I’m not sure about that. I would have to take an unbiased sample of recent buildings in both cities. That could be an idea for a video! Many thanks!
Cains is also so run down…just bunch of trashy bars and butchered food court/ spaces (no real added value to the older architecture); every corner in the city is filled with bars, litter, broken roads…in the 10 years any progress feels like we have gone backwards…not to mention the corruption. I’d like to see the videos of all the unfinished projects from the minute you step off Lime Street to the rest of the city…
Great video, Once the railway station has been built and in full figer, this area will Boom
@@KPP365 Yes, it’s going to look very different in a few years. Many thanks for your comment!
Well done Aidan. That was a very enjoyable jaunt around an area that I used to know well. Glad to see how much development is taking place there
That’s great to hear, many thanks! So you are no longer in Liverpool?
@@AidanEyewitness Yeah, i'm still here. You may remember that the charity that I worked for, LADT moved down to Jamaica St from Vernon St in 2001, when it was pretty much the same as iit had been since the 1980's. The bigindustrial unit we moved too became the first sub let/start up business units thing down there!
Enjoyed the video. Liked to see Jamaica Street mentioned since that's where I was born. Can't wait to have Scouse again. Delicious stuff. I agree with you that 1 Parliament Square is a stand out addition. It's nice to see something that isn't bland. The new station will also be a great addition. It seems train stations have positive impacts when it comes to development.
Many thanks for your comments, as ever! I agree on all points, especially scouse (the dish!) 😊
Very very good report. Enlightening. Not to mention the origin of the scouse Word.❤❤
Many thanks for your kind words. Yes, surprisingly, not many people know the origin of Scouse. It really shows the international character of Liverpool.
I'm only 20 and this area has already changed so much in my lifetime, and there's still a lot of empty land for them to build on in the future. It has been very interesting to watch it change.
Glad you’re watching my channel! Yes there are many vacant lots visible in the drone shots. The Baltic Triangle will keep on changing.
@@AidanEyewitness Yes. Hopefully it doesn't change too much though. I don't want them to replace too many more of the warehouses with high-rises because that could risk the baltic triangle losing what made it unique in the first place. I think there's enough empty land for them to build on without them demolishing any more warehouses like they did with the constellations building.
Anyway I hope the Baltic continues to survive and thrive. From clothes markets, to the live music events, it's the independent business owners and artists who make the baltic the unique and intriguing place it has been.
What a wonderful video. Lot's of low rise 80's pomo residential that really should have been higher density.
Thanks as ever for the positive feedback. The low density housing is from a different era! Now things are on the up!
Liverpool will not have large numbers of tall buildings, unlike Manchester down the road. Also the Baltic Triangle is in front of the Anglican cathedral, so a no, no.
The south end of the Baltic Triangle was originally in what was then named _Harrington._ Harrington was a town in its own right at one time, actually being bigger than Liverpool next door. Harrington town hall was still there in Grafton St until about 20 years ago - may still be there. May be now demolished as Liverpool hates its own past.
There was a big scheme to expand to the south grand Georgian houses and streets, with one or two houses still remaining - to the side of the Liverpool Baltic station one remains. Georgian streets also expanded east from the centre to Edge Hill. However the port expansion to the south entailed dock building, claiming the foreshore with commerce and industry setting up scuppering the expansion. The developer who was to expand Harrington also went bust which never helped. St.James' church of 1774 is a leftover of the expansion. Incidentally St.James' was one of the first ever churches with partial cast-iron construction, if not the first. St.Micheal's in St.Micheal's in the Hamlet and St.George's church at Everton are wonders of cast iron construction, with the shipbuilding industry supplying the cast iron.
The Georgian street expansion to the east was uninterrupted by industry and still there today. The southern expansion fizzled out. I was born in one of the southern grand Georgian houses, which the city in its wisdom demolished.
Many thanks for this information, very interesting! It's great to hear from someone who knows the area very well.
Amazing video as usual. One gripe was that the sky pan overs were way too fast. Please slow them down so we can admire the baltic lol
Many thanks - If I slowed them down the would be much more than my standard 10 minutes. If you go to the Cinemaker channel you can see extended views not speeded up ruclips.net/video/v0ZeYg1RxJ0/видео.html Thanks for the favourable comments, they made my day!
You could just change the playback speed to 0.25, 0.5 or 0.75 on the RUclips settings button - or even hit the pause button on the bits you want to see more 🤷🏻♂️
Greenland St was named after the short lived Liverpool whaling industry. The ships worked off Greenland. The South End Docks did a lot of Caribbean and West African trade with lines like Elder Dempster and hence Jamaica St. There was the African Oil Mills. Chinese and black sailors settled in the South End near the docks, initially L1. Hirohito's relative lived in L1 with Hitler's brother living in L8 - at the same time.
They had a football team that played in Blundell St named African Royals. They changed their name to South Liverpool moving to Dingle Lane near the foreshore. They attracted attendances of 18,000 pre WW1 equalling Liverpool FC, with a big club future. They were given their notice by the landlord the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, as they were to build the Dingle Oil Jetty - used for PLUTO for D Day. The football team never recovered moving away from its core fanbase.
All fascinating, many many thanks!
Have you heard anything about the strand phase 2 happening? They said it would start in 2024 as they put it back due to the Eurovision. Haven't heard or seen anything since. It was meant to start near St James street and go right up to the Baltic Trinagle, Same as Phase 1.. Less lanes more trees and new paving etc.
I’ve not heard anything but I’ll keep my ear to the ground. Many thanks for flagging it up. I cycle up and down there quite a lot!
@@AidanEyewitness no worries 👍🏻 Thanks
The Scouse accent is a combination of Lancashire and Irish, no?
It’s a combination of Welsh and Irish who were the two biggest migrant groups during the 19th century and later. Have a look at my ‘Welsh influence’ video from a couple of years ago. Many thanks.
lucky guess.
@@AidanEyewitness the south Liverpool accent is different than the north Liverpool accent . The south accent is softer , the north end accent is harsher and faster .
Welsh, some Irish, Lancashire and German/Scandinavian. The Irish influence is overstated but it was influential.
All _The Beatles_ were from the South End. That is how many of them sound. The North Liverpool accent sounds like static. The Scouse accent is regarded as a working class accent, as is Cockney to London. Many do not have the course hard accent that is stereotyped on TV
Jeez, I worked in the area back in the mid '70s when it was more Bermuda Triangle than Baltic Triangle. Shipping in the south end had finished and it was part of Thatcher's 'managed decline. I never expected it to be regenerated like this whilst retaining its multicultural diversity. As an aside, I always believed 'scouse' had Scandinavian' origins but I guess there was a Germanic influence too.
Yes the transformation is incredible. North Germany is part of the Baltic region up till 1945 its coastline ran along the whole southern edge of the Baltic. Labskaus may have a Scandinavian, maybe Finnish origin.
@@AidanEyewitness
It is Baltic, also Norwegian.
How is it that Liverpool gets it right with the regeneration of their city centre but Manchester fails?
Another very good quote for an essay title, 5000 words deadline this Friday! Joking apart, a very good question that can’t be answered in a couple of sentences!
@@AidanEyewitness Liverpool has regenerated itself from the bad old days but Manchester has not been able to infuse the city centre with heart and soul like Liverpool.
@@neilduran3586
Liverpool's city centre already had that heart & soul to begin with so extending the format was not that difficult. Although we can all look at horrendous mistakes recently, like the philistine obliteration of Cases St and constant historic dock filling. No disrespect to Manchester, I, and I emphasise only I, felt it had something that it lacked which I could never pin down. Maybe Mancunians could help here. Or is it just me?
I am no fan of the current random glass block reincarnation of Manchester. Liverpool is selective where it builds them. Although the rejection of the Brunswick Quay Tower was total parochial stupidity - by a Manchester architect as well. London, and Paris of which I have known well for over 30 years, are all primarily low rise in the main centres. Two cities renowned for their vibrancy and easy to live in.
Good vid. Also my father was born in Kitchen St.
Many thanks for the positive feedback, especially coming from someone who knows the area so well.
Boxpark is a chain with the same branding throughout..Croydon, Shoreditch, Liverpool..etc
Ah yes, saw that on the website. Interesting they chose Liverpool for their first northern venue.
@@AidanEyewitness A similar venture happened in Christchurch NZ (Re-START) after the 2011 earthquake destroyed parts of the city centre. Love your films btw
@@davidowen2396 That’s great to hear, many thanks. ‘Films’ I like that!
1:15 I hope they're using some sort of laminate because wooden areas of buildings tend to not age well in my opinion.
Yes I know of some very ‘weathered’ wooden buildings. Thanks for your observation
8:35 I cross my fingers that it get's completed.
I’m sure it will.
1:40 The Baltic Convenience's building is still fairly new so I don't know why they chose a pebble-dash frontage, and the wooden areas probably won't age well. Pretty ugly in my opinion.
Thanks for your comment. I didn’t look too closely at it to be honest!
Liverpool seem to have the right idea. In Manchester it’s square boxes after square boxes. 😂😂😂
Well I’m not sure about that. I would have to take an unbiased sample of recent buildings in both cities. That could be an idea for a video! Many thanks!
@@AidanEyewitness
It is the districts that matter. The Baltic Triangle full of high rise glass block would destroy it.
Cains is also so run down…just bunch of trashy bars and butchered food court/ spaces (no real added value to the older architecture); every corner in the city is filled with bars, litter, broken roads…in the 10 years any progress feels like we have gone backwards…not to mention the corruption. I’d like to see the videos of all the unfinished projects from the minute you step off Lime Street to the rest of the city…
Thanks. Cains looks run down but it always seems to be packed whenever I’m passing by!
Legacy builds very basic buildings, nothing stunning…pay close attention and you will see lots of low costs finishes
Thanks I’ll keep an eye out for that