How Powerful Are Pro Sprinters? Beginner Vs Amateur Vs Pro
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2021
- In this episode of Beginner Vs Amateur Vs Pro, we pit Pro track cyclist and European U23 Team Sprint Champion Hayden Norris against seasoned amateur Ollie and complete beginner… Also Ollie. But this Ollie works in finance; at a desk, in an office and everything. We used an Oreka O5 Static Bike Trainer to work out exactly how much power they each put down in a flat-out sprint.
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Could you beat Ollie in a sprint?
Nope, as an out-and-out ameteur climber my sprint peak is a mere 750 watts. The beginner Ollie did have a size advantage over Bridgewood. For additional comparison it would be interesting to see what power output a pro climber can sprint.
Yes :)
1 horsepower = 745.7 watts not 735 watts
You forgot to specify which Ollie. In my case it doesn't matter because I couldn't beat any of them. 🙂
7:17 so thats where all ollie's fast twitch muscles are they're in his face 🤣🤣🤣
For those of you wondering, this are the W/kg values:
Beginner (101kg): Peak: 10.07 W/kg - 5s: 9.74 W/kg
Amateur (68kg): Peak: 14.46 W/kg - 5s: 13.84 W/kg
Pro (81kg): Peak: 27.35 W/kg - 5s: 25.06 W/kg
Probably the only result of this test that ACTUALLY means anything.
So the pro has more power to weight ratio than both of them combined
Thanks - that makes me feel better! I've only started have a go at sprinting having just got an indoor set up (so would also be a beginner) and at first glance was feeling very inferior based on the top line number, but actually doing the weight maths would be almost identical to the beginner here.
@@samyoung2444 depends on the gradient of the sprint and the cda. on a flat, w/kg affects acceleration but not top speed, though the implicit higher cda of a heavier rider does matter.
Beginner: Good
Amateur: Better
Pro: Okaythanksbye
Would love to see Ollie (the dropped one, not the beginner) follow a sprint training plan! It would be interesting to see how good he could get!
he already did at cycling weekly. spoiler, he still wasn't good
Some people are made for sprinting and some for endurance.
"I got beaten by a one legged cyclist... true story"
We love you Oli!
Ollie is lucky, I once got overtaken in the middle of a race by an overweight guy on a foldie...
🤣
“Sprinters are born, not made.” Adding that to my excuse repertoire.
so my personal, quite unscientific opinion here: if you want to break the world record, you absolutely need the genetics (and the background, the environment, a lot of luck). if you merely want to become excellent, intense training and mental fortitude will be sufficient.
@@stefs so I’ll add “I’m not trying to break any world records here … sheesh”
@@stefs not in the case of sprinting. If you don't have enough fast twitch muscle fibers there's not much you can do about it. If you're a bad sprinter, it can still make sense to work on your sprint and become better at it, but you'll never become a strong sprinter.
Similarly:
"Abs are born, not made."
At least that's my take!
Kudos to GCN for dropping two Ollie in a single video.
Add Blake in the mix! How's a mountain biker compare?🙌
Blake did a video with Si, I think he was up to 1.5k watts or so, very impressive
@@kamigato I'd be willing to bet his peak power is a bit higher than that
@@whatwelearned Last I recall them listing it in a GMBN vid it was 1650 W.
Blake and Hank on cobbles, Blake said 1852W
Blake's humor wins
I was born a sprinter. Found out too late. Quintuple heart bypass and still put out 1600watts at 52. Only took up cycling after my op in 2018.
Great job and post op at that! Consider yourself a god of cycling.
Just race in Masters category That’s impressive power. Don’t let that gift go to waste.
Same age and did 1700W a few months ago. My best power was 1778W on a Wattbike at the Tour Down Under. Don't ride much at all now. Zero weight training. Agree that sprinters are born. There is a sprint gene and I discovered I have it through DNA sequencing. It has something to do with being able to use ATP in the muscles faster or something. Want to hit over 2000W one day if I train a bit.
You sir are built differently. I can't manage that at 21 years of age but I just got into cycling recently and prefer to stick around the 10-15mph mark anyway. I am too reliant on my ebike to just carry me along at 15mph with no effort needed from myself but trying to ride the regular bike more lol.
W/kg peak:
Ollie beginner 10.1 W/kg
Ollie amateur: 14.5 W/kg
Heyden pro: 27.3 W/kh
W/kg 5s:
Ollie beginner 9.7 W/kg - Novice
Ollie amateur: 13. 8 W/kg - Cat 5
Heyden pro: 25. 1 W/kg - World class
Would love a video on the training routine of the track cyclists. Showing diet and the bike and weights programs they do.
They have a channel for that called “GCN training” :D
@@Tidexon there’s literally nothing on that channel in relation to what i said 🤦♂️
@@toomuch9762 Search for it :) “GCN training diet” or “GCN training weights”, I found multiple videos. I hope this helps you :D
@@Tidexon wow you clearly dont know the difference between track cycling and road cycling 🤦♂️.
Here are a couple of training videos of German track cyclist Robert Forstemann: ruclips.net/video/aOImvJOaGiY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/lUE0rqRqZmM/видео.html
Also, Chris Hoy in training: ruclips.net/video/ywKWsX65NAY/видео.html
A deeper dive on YT may turn up some diet info...
WOW! Hayden Norris is amazing! You guys should definitely get him back on in the future
That trainer is insane !!! The extra shorter support arm for the fly wheel is the difference between this and every other turbo out
Would be interesting to see 1, 3, 5, 10, 20 minutes of them all !
It’s always fun to see pro numbers, mind boggling.
Hayden Horris produced more power than Si and Hank combined on the tandem! Impressive!
I'm sure Si and Hank could do much better with a little practice - and a rolling start instead of a standing start.
@@marianneoelund2940 yeah, but Hayden still wins on watts/kg
Ollie, you’re such a good sport.
I'm genetically more a climber/puncheur, but I improved my sprint (both peak and 10s) by about 200 watts in one year just by doing few times a week microsprints out of traffic lights on my 4 km urban commute to and from school. I can't consider myself a sprinter even now, but from hardly 1100W peak and about 790W 10s to 1335W peak and 1026W for 10s I think I did quite great progress.
Wow, so similar to me. How many seconds did you microsprint for and at what power? Might try it myself.
@@sakotodan I do that on a bike without powermeter (it's an old 26" MTB built just for commuting, I don't want to cry if it gets stolen), but it's surely sub-max, so my heart rate doesn't reach the anaerobic threshold, but it has that initial 'kick'. Usually it's about 5s long, just to get me from standing start to let's say 25 kph (could be more where you live, most of the traffic lights on my commute are followed by at least slight incline).
So.... let me get this correct. Ollie was dropped by a beginner - on a stationary bike.... That takes a special kind of talent. Well done!!!
The beginner in sneakers!
He isn't dropped, the beginner weighs a lot more than Ollie, ollie is still a lot stronger than the beginner.
Yeah mate, because of watt per kilo, beginner would be way behind him
That's actually pretty good given he weighs 68kg and is mostly a climber
Ollie: 10.06 w/kg at peak
Ollie Bridgewood: 14.45 w/kg at peak
Hayden: 27.34 w/kg at peak
Our Ollie would smoke the beginner in a track sprint
Love these types of vids
A fan here from the Philippines. I'm a beginner. Very nice equipment! Nice video
Really? Do I have to calculate W/kg myself?
The answer is amateur Ollie has a better watts per kilo than beginner Ollie. Hayden is off the charts.
@@newttella1043 Yea, but since presenter/PhD Ollie didn't included it and talked about about I will call him amateur presenter Ollie until he better himself. I expect more from a scientist. PS. Ollie is still my favorite presenter. For now. DS.
Hayden = absolute fookin UNIT, very impressive
none of this mincing around in middle of rear cog, slam it straight into hardest gear and go HAM!!1! #fasttwitch
saw your ad in the times, well done lads
Perfect timing! I just stepped of the turbo from a 5x 10s sprint workout. It was enough for Ollie 1191W peak 1081 over 5s. (for the stats: age 43, 98kg) Track sprinters are out of this world. I'd like to have a more detailed look at the files. I guess a key element is the cadence track sprinters can produce and sustain.
In a way, yes. Cadence matters, but that peak power is usually at their default cadence (70-90) when they try to snap the crank arm off.
@@aldude9511 Yeah that first snap is absolutely peak power.
Power at cadence is the ability to hold a power and have useful power in a race. When I do standing starts its the 3-5 second part where I'm hitting peak power numbers not after 10
@@aldude9511
No, peak power for top sprinters is most definitely not below 100 rpm. When I was a teenager, my peak power was at 180 rpm. Track cyclists include spinning training that exceeds 200 rpm, although I'm not suggesting that's the cadence range where they hit peak power.
Doing some timings from from the video for Hayden's first few crank turns when he started sprinting, he was near 130 rpm. That's considerably faster than the other two cyclists. (You have to ignore the cadence displayed on the monitor at that point, because the measurement hadn't caught up with his true cadence.)
Sprinters will develop peak *torque* under 100 rpm, but that's not the same as peak *power.*
@@chriswitek9455
You will get better peak power numbers with a rolling start.
Awesome topic
This was pretty cool. 💯
@OllieBridgewood - Can you give your thoughts on that Oreka trainer, specifically the side to side/rocking motion it can provide. Looking at that trainer it looks like what I have been wanting in a trainer - the trainer moves without needing a rocker plate.
Freddie can't be considered a beginner anymore. He got so strong now. So inspiring
love these vids
I always feel amazed by video of comparing the beginner and the pro for doing some stuff. its show me how tough these pro because of their training programs and maybe their genetic advantage
I've not been cycling long, so it's nice to have some context for my 1220W peak power. Although being 15kg heavier than Ollie I think he'd still blast me up hill!
That was awesome! I'm happy with the 1200 or so peak I can hit if I'm in shape, but I'm bigger than most road cyclists. I'd love to get close to 14 one day.
Ollie is brilliant and really quite funny. Make sure to give him a payrise.
For the beginner, I wonder if he had sprinted from the drops and used more of his body what he could get. He is a big and tall guy surely he has more than 1000w. Comparing Ollie and the pro ollie seemed to have less core strength to keep his upper part firm to push off of and was generally more wild with the release of energy. That's really some of the watts, getting that solid base like if you were sitting down in a leg press machine, you can press way more than you can squat cause of this and other reasons. Firming up your core is like a step towards full body effort and away from just leg producing the watts. There is a TON of power in the technique.
@Vegan's R Silly having a strong core sure does help put the power down when you’re out of the saddle!
Loved the Mo Farah vs Usain Bolt running analogy.
To be fair Mo Farah has an absolutely lethal kick so it's a pretty generous comparison 😅
Wooooow! Realy impressive
If sprinters are born then I recon beginner Ollie is a born sprinter. Ive been cycling for years and never got anywhere near 1000 watts. Well done that man.
make sure to factor in weight, If I hit 1000 watts, then I would be close to 18w/kg which is pretty nutty.
It really was an effort
@@syctris8742 good point. He was 30kg heavier than me.
@@djrlloyd I am a beginner cyclist myself. Started this year. My 1s peak is 1100W at 95kg. So i assume, it's nothing that special to hit
untrained cyclists/runners usually have a lot more fast twitch muscles and a ton less slow twitch so not surprising to see the result. the idea here is that the just-starting ollie would never see the end of the finish line where it matters.
Will be very interested on a review on the Oreka trainer. That suspension system to somewhat accommodate the lateral movement of the bike seem to might or might not help with putting less stress into the frame. If some information could be provided on this would be great!
It definitely helps reduce unintended lateral stresses on the frame! The frame isn't designed to withstand pedaling loads being restricted by the rear triangle through the axle. But still doesn't cancel them out. The difference between that and a free bicycle swinging during a sprint must be considerable.
@@dudeonbike800 thanks for the insight!
this got my heart beating
where do you get your begginers from??? based on those standars im not even one
got to factor in weight, the beginner was under
watching from Philippines
More Ollie pleaseeee
"So you do you think I can get to 2000 watts"
"I dont know about that"
The look 🤣
Beginner Ollie wasn't even breathing hard, I think he had more in him. Amateur Ollie still got dropped on a trainer. Hayden was incredible.
Not really sure why they didn’t raise W/kg. Presenter Ollie would definitely have been faster in real world weighing over 30% less than beginner Ollie.
Beginner Ollie's legs might've run out of steam before his lungs. This happens all the time with beginner athletes. If he improves his cardio, he'll definitely unlock more power. This is what I teach kids I coach in sports that seemingly don't require cardio like baseball and football (American).
The amateur Ollie being dropped was the best part.
Would have been interesting to see how beginner Ollie would so with clipless pedals!
Since he was most likely pedaling squares and use much of his weight out of the saddle, I am not sure we would see much of a difference.
I'm the same height and weight as the sprinter and my max is just shy of 1450. Those fast twitch muscle fibres working to the max. Outrageous.
So what we’ve learned is add more weight lifting and beer to one’s training to maximize sprint ability-I’ll start with more beer, see how that goes…
Wise decision based on sound reasoning.
Cheers!
That was impressive
At 97kilos or 217lbs and 6'3 my best was Peak 1465 watts, 5 seconds 1392. That was working on getting my sprint up.
Normal is about 1200 watts.
would love to see Nayden Horris climbing the hill Si and hank just did recently.
Yeah but why
What about Oli does 4 weeks of sprint training and see what he can get to. Interesting experiment for those more endurance based athletes such as myself to see:)
Awesome
A thing I noticed. GCN Olli had a rather slow cadence for a sprint. Power = force x cadence. If you notice the sprinter had a much much higher cadence. Sprinters tend to get comfortable with really high cadences.
"Here's are new 'beginner' cyclist because our old 'beginner' cyclist isn't really a beginner anymore." *Beginner cyclist proceeds to put more power out than Ollie and Si.* Where does GCN find these beginner cyclist?!
What mode was zwift on for this?
I'm 15 and a fairly natural sprinter and I managed to get a peak power of 1,543W on one of the exercise bikes at my school during one of my PE lessons
Soo what about w/kg?
That trainer is sick, not that I’d make full use of it sprinting haha.
That made me laugh out loud! Sorry Ollie
“Sprinters are born, not made.” Maybe Amateur Ollie should challenge Hayden to a long hillclimb so sooth his ego.
Im 6months into riding at age 30; my friends leave me on distance rides like i was never there; we did a short course with a sprint finish about a week ago and I left them standing still; peaked at 1685w, First time really ever sprinting on the road other than the zwift trainer.
So what you're saying is my Saris H3 won't quite cut it for my winter training?😏
How about a TT with: Beginner on high end aero bike, amateur on cheap road bike, pro on trekking bike?
Peak meta, Ollie dropping Ollie!
I was feeling fast on my 100 watts!! 😂 I need to train more😊
Thigh circumference directly proportional to power output? Time to hit the gym Bridgewood!
The Ollie's have a combined peak of 2000W, That's "ollie" precise!
Beaten by a sprinter with one leg 😂😂😂
this channel has mad camp councilor energy
Very good both Ollys, Bridgewood actually is pretty good for his weight so don’t give him too hard of a time!
GCN trying everything to ensure that at least one Ollie per video gets dropped. Well done, mates!
Next week can we see finance Ollie explaining good ruck and maul technique with presenter Ollie please?
The highest I’ve ever hit is 1607, but this summer I did 1215 for 30s and 889 for 1 minute, both of which I was much more pleased with than the 1s max. It tapers off pretty fast from there though 😆
The 1215 for 30s is insane
That's serious power! You can hold more power than André Greipel for 30 secs while he was at his peak! ......... lol
If that’s true you’d be one of the best lengthy sprinters in the world, think kilo and team sprint P3… hmmm
@@HN-jn3np dudes probably 100kg+ and hasn't got the time/money/dedication for it. Power in cycling isn't the main factor in being good at racing.
@@cornishalps9870 on track power is definitely the main factor. And plenty of the world class sprinters are well over 100kg
Could have put in a road sprinter vs track sprinter to see the comparison
I’d love to know what their cadences were at peak power.
Olli you could totally make it to 1000
"A sprinter is born, not made" - seems that rings true
8 years ago I jumped from 15 years of volleyball food and squads 90kg my first spinn class I maxed out at 1600 watts .. Now after 8 years of just biking I am down to 1250 watts max as a long distance hobby fun riding guy.. But what I have lost in Max power I have gained in distance and FPT .. And then 8 years older but who care for age =)
Check the calibration on the trainer
🍞How long can you power a toaster? .... Or 1500W microwave oven?
3:16 torilla tavataan 🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮
Hey, shouldn't you have worked with Watts per Kg instead os just Watts?
Got to love humble sprinters who quote Lemond
Yup, I remember him muttering that one a million years ago. Still about the best explanation of racing/training.
Dropped on a static trainer... 😳😆
Why does no one talk about how the beginner was on Flat Pedals instead of clipless ones. I think this can make a HUGE diffrence, especially in peak power!!
GCN actually did a test of this and found that clipless are better for sprinting.
Needed a heavier sprinter, GCN Ollie's power to weight would give a much more expected result
Interesting
Love the comment about being beaten by a man with one leg. I was once beaten at squash by a man with one leg, who hopped around the court.
Sprinting is the only aspect of cycling I don't completely suck at. Now do I focus on getting better there or trying to round out everything else haha
The Oreka trainer is good for a max of 2500W which was stated to be more than 'most top cyclists on the Tour de France can produce'. Are there known cases of this being exceeded and what is the World Record/Highest Known? I did an internet search found a statement that Sir Chris Hoy was good for 2500W in the article 'Track Sprinting, A Question of Watts' on the UCI Website, but no actual data. This article also stated that 'the UCI WCC coaches expect elite male sprinters to be able to produce 25 watts per kg' (Hoy was therefore producing 27W). *And' that is whilst complying with UCI sock rules, of course.
My buddy Matt pushes 2300+ as a cat 3 on the track. So its more then that I'm sure
This Olympic BMX racer peaked at 2657W.. Shows the watt bike screen int his short video. That is the highest wattage I have ever seen and he doesn't even look very muscular. Crazy talent.. ruclips.net/video/VUjtaL-tfMc/видео.html
Not sure about that inbuilt powermeter
Just happy to see some representation for us 101kg guys.
I was waiting for a field test… I’m not happy with this 😅
Need to see a can oli hit 1500 challenge
Ollie's power at 68kg is awesome.
Genetics are the key to top level athletic performance, that and a superior work ethic and last, but not least, a killer instinct.
Kind of Ollie to do the measurements in watts rather than watts/kg. You’re a good sport Ollie!
so... what would happen if we put Hayden and Ollie (beginner) on the Tandem...?? #JustAsking
Maxed out Zwift…. awesome
I can't stand Ollie being the Guinea pig 😂
Again!
1500w for me. Telling my mates I’m a sprinter when dropped on the next hill route.