Great Video Jess, I've ran 96 studs in the last 5 of my sleds. I rely on the studs more for braking, Icy corners and to alleviate the fishtailing when the snow gets mealy. As you well know, one of the biggest issue with people tearing studs through the track is a heavy thumb in low snow conditions. I come up on so many people on the trails with studs that will pile up snow in every corner when they exit when there's so much dirt showing through the trail base. They catch a frozen rock or root in the ground and either they're bending or ripping studs.. Really enjoying the channel this season. Keep up the great work Jess and Mike 🤙🏼 Take Care..
I have always run around 144 in double backers on my 800/850 XRS's until last year. I was getting tired of replacing tracks due to tear-outs and even had a stud going through the front exchanger on my 2010 and my main exchanger on my 2013. My current sled is a 2019 XRS with a pre-studded Ice Ripper. I miss the quicker stops on ice but I am definitely quicker with the Ice Ripper. We aggressively ride the tight trails in the Muskoka Ontario area and I find the sled much less twitchy in the fast corners. The track has less lateral resistance and will slide out in an oversteer condition when you hammer it. It never feels like it wants to high-side you. I also like the much lessened vibration that the pre-studded track gives you.
Rode a 22XCR in March during a demo and really liked the 1.25" ice ripper pre studded track. Felt it was the right amount of grip and playfulness under throttle. I like the idea of having a warranty on the track and not having to worry about tossing a stud. I ordered my 22 VR1 with it because I was impressed. Like you said though, it's about safety and you can't go wrong with either.
Hey Bryan! I 100% agree with the not going wrong with either - its about personal preference and type of riding. If you are looking for purely extra safety i.e. better stopping, prestuds are great. But for any type of performance advantage, performance studs are an antecedent. I myself find the torque and off the hole acceleration of a top of the line 850 running a prestudded track disappointing, and that's why I always stud my sled. I would also consider myself a cautious but yet aggressive rider - so I like the traction that studs provide. Also, I can tell you with over 35,000 kms of riding, I have yet to toss a single stud. It's just about installing them right and using quality products - like studboy superlite pro series backers with PowerPoint studs. Congrats on the sled!! That XCR will be a weapon. Cheers, Jesse
The 1.6 cobra does not have enough pre studs in it. You can't compare that track with studs. However a 1.5 ice storm has way more pre studs, or you can use igrips and add as many as you want. Personally i have been using igrips since 2016 and i will NEVER use regular studs ever again. We have done side by side comparisons and found little to no difference between studs and igrips or fully pre-studded tracks, I have never lost and igrip or a pre-stud, not even once in the last 27,000 miles. Studs however have caused a lot of damage when they let go or tear out. All of my group has been done with studs for years, will never go back.
Interesting. I've heard a lot about igrips but haven't tried them. I've studded all of my sleds and only ever ran 1 pre studded track on my 1200x which I never liked. Knock on wood but I've never had a stud pull out and cause damage but have seen other guys where it happened. Might try them on the next one. Cheers, Mike
We are running 1.25 Ripsaw's (single ply) on our 850 Doos. My dads new sled that he is waiting on is a 1.35 cobra, and Mike's other sled is also a 1.25 Ripsaw. I had a 1.5" on my 2018 X-RS, and since then, I've been running 1.25's. Thanks for tuning in! Appreciate your support. Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz well it’s hard to say exactly because it’s all so good. The light as you’re going through the tunnel has a good effect. I liked the stretching before a ride. And a variety of scenery. Going over that river is pretty cool. It’s just good all around. I’m pretty sure it’s a little different than last year but it is definitely better. Nice job!
@@justflylow awesome! Yes it is brand new from last years. The only part that is the same is the sled going over the snow mound at the end when it dissolves into Sledaddicz. Everything else is new footage from last season.
Thanks Chris! Glad you found it informative. And that's exactly the point - giving people my experience to help inform their future purchases :) Cheers, Jesse
Great video! Which type of studs to run is definitely a on going conversation, I just came off a freeride 800 1.75 lug without studs did lots of trail riding with it ,low snow even ice and didn’t slide as much as I thought. I currently have an Assault 850 with 1.6 pre studs which is just short of 150studs for 144 track, I’m not looking for hard bite but just to maybe grab a bit on acceleration, or an ice corner or for stopping. I have also rode a 2019 renegade 850 pre studded 1.25 and it has a lot of pre studs and it hooks up and lifts the skis no problem and I do like that the lug studs don’t add tons of weight to the tracks.
Older sleds like that 2000 Polaris xc you had as a kid were 121" track not 120" I believe. Not a big difference obviously just think 120" tracks were new for a few years (2014 ish?) and then most companies changed to 129" tracks give it take. The manufacturing companies all had the same size tracks for years and now I believe they are all different within an inch or two just to be different and difficult so you can't put a Polaris track on a ski Doo. I haven't had a snowmobile without studs in over 15 years and I don't think I would ever have a sled without studs.
I have a 1999 Yamaha with the original track in mint condition. 30,000km on that track. I have a 2006 Yamaha Attak that goes through tracks like crazy. 2 years tops. I think it mostly depends how hard you are on things. I've always only trail rid the old 99. The 06 goes anywhere and everywhere. I finally replaced the 99 with a 2022 Grand Touring. I'm still debating putting studs in it.
Hey Jess, I haven’t been on a sled in over 10 years I currently just bought a riot. I’m in Nova Scotia Canada where our weather changes by the second. I have a cobra track that came with the sled. In your opinion should I stud the track and if so how many studs. It’s a 146 I believe it’s a 1.375 🤪. I’d have to look at my paper work. Lol. Any help would be awesome. Thx for the content bro 👊
Hey Davi! Are you mainly trail riding? If so, go for the Power Point Plus 1.500". 2 per row. Get the pro series backers too. All from studboy. Appreciate the support brother. Shoot me an email at sledaddicz@gmail.com and I can go into more detail and you can ask any questions u have. Cheers, Jesse
My preference would be prestudded or no studs. Ran studs on one sled and hated the extra noise and vibration. Studs also do nothing in loose snow (in my experience). I live in North Bay and only ride here and north and don’t come across much bare ice. Good review though - for the aggressive rider studs are a must.
haha you are definitely correct sir! Always gotta be in control with an 850 under the hood - thats why we are a firm believer in performance studs. Cheers, Jesse
I have the ice ripper 1.25 ,I have a 20 Indy xc 850 137 and most times don't have a problem hooking up,I think the Polaris sleds transfer a bit more weight than the ski doo's,I ride with 3 skidoos and they definitely have more weight up front,my buddies get stuck on road crossings Alot,and also don't brake as well in our steep mountain trails I guess everything is a trade off 😆, Every one loves the assault but I can set my pro cc up to rip and handle flat on the trails or set it up loose with a lot of weight transfer if I'd like ,love your guys videos can't wait till some white stuff falls😂😂
Agreed on the studs. I prefer the ripsaw 1.5 over the ice ripper. If your gonna stud it its a waste to spend more money on the ice ripper. Cheers, Jesse
Great Video Jess, I've ran 96 studs in the last 5 of my sleds. I rely on the studs more for braking, Icy corners and to alleviate the fishtailing when the snow gets mealy. As you well know, one of the biggest issue with people tearing studs through the track is a heavy thumb in low snow conditions. I come up on so many people on the trails with studs that will pile up snow in every corner when they exit when there's so much dirt showing through the trail base. They catch a frozen rock or root in the ground and either they're bending or ripping studs.. Really enjoying the channel this season. Keep up the great work Jess and Mike 🤙🏼 Take Care..
Put 96 Woodys in my ‘17, I put 10,000 miles on them until the original track started coming apart. I was amazed how good they still looked
Exactly. Good quality traction lasts! Cheers, Jesse
I have always run around 144 in double backers on my 800/850 XRS's until last year. I was getting tired of replacing tracks due to tear-outs and even had a stud going through the front exchanger on my 2010 and my main exchanger on my 2013. My current sled is a 2019 XRS with a pre-studded Ice Ripper. I miss the quicker stops on ice but I am definitely quicker with the Ice Ripper. We aggressively ride the tight trails in the Muskoka Ontario area and I find the sled much less twitchy in the fast corners. The track has less lateral resistance and will slide out in an oversteer condition when you hammer it. It never feels like it wants to high-side you. I also like the much lessened vibration that the pre-studded track gives you.
Rode a 22XCR in March during a demo and really liked the 1.25" ice ripper pre studded track. Felt it was the right amount of grip and playfulness under throttle. I like the idea of having a warranty on the track and not having to worry about tossing a stud. I ordered my 22 VR1 with it because I was impressed.
Like you said though, it's about safety and you can't go wrong with either.
Hey Bryan! I 100% agree with the not going wrong with either - its about personal preference and type of riding. If you are looking for purely extra safety i.e. better stopping, prestuds are great. But for any type of performance advantage, performance studs are an antecedent. I myself find the torque and off the hole acceleration of a top of the line 850 running a prestudded track disappointing, and that's why I always stud my sled. I would also consider myself a cautious but yet aggressive rider - so I like the traction that studs provide. Also, I can tell you with over 35,000 kms of riding, I have yet to toss a single stud. It's just about installing them right and using quality products - like studboy superlite pro series backers with PowerPoint studs. Congrats on the sled!! That XCR will be a weapon. Cheers, Jesse
The 1.6 cobra does not have enough pre studs in it. You can't compare that track with studs. However a 1.5 ice storm has way more pre studs, or you can use igrips and add as many as you want. Personally i have been using igrips since 2016 and i will NEVER use regular studs ever again. We have done side by side comparisons and found little to no difference between studs and igrips or fully pre-studded tracks, I have never lost and igrip or a pre-stud, not even once in the last 27,000 miles. Studs however have caused a lot of damage when they let go or tear out. All of my group has been done with studs for years, will never go back.
Interesting. I've heard a lot about igrips but haven't tried them. I've studded all of my sleds and only ever ran 1 pre studded track on my 1200x which I never liked. Knock on wood but I've never had a stud pull out and cause damage but have seen other guys where it happened. Might try them on the next one. Cheers, Mike
So what track are you running this year? Single/2 ply? Still running a 1.5" lug or is that a 1.25"?
We are running 1.25 Ripsaw's (single ply) on our 850 Doos. My dads new sled that he is waiting on is a 1.35 cobra, and Mike's other sled is also a 1.25 Ripsaw. I had a 1.5" on my 2018 X-RS, and since then, I've been running 1.25's. Thanks for tuning in! Appreciate your support.
Cheers, Jesse
You have the best intro out there. Great information Jesse!
Thanks dude! Glad you like the intro! Out of curiosity, what do you like most about the intro/what is your favorite part? Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz well it’s hard to say exactly because it’s all so good. The light as you’re going through the tunnel has a good effect. I liked the stretching before a ride. And a variety of scenery. Going over that river is pretty cool. It’s just good all around. I’m pretty sure it’s a little different than last year but it is definitely better. Nice job!
@@justflylow awesome! Yes it is brand new from last years. The only part that is the same is the sled going over the snow mound at the end when it dissolves into Sledaddicz. Everything else is new footage from last season.
Well done- excellent info from experience. You saved a lot of people a lot of time and money. 🍻
Thanks Chris! Glad you found it informative. And that's exactly the point - giving people my experience to help inform their future purchases :)
Cheers, Jesse
Great video! Which type of studs to run is definitely a on going conversation, I just came off a freeride 800 1.75 lug without studs did lots of trail riding with it ,low snow even ice and didn’t slide as much as I thought. I currently have an Assault 850 with 1.6 pre studs which is just short of 150studs for 144 track, I’m not looking for hard bite but just to maybe grab a bit on acceleration, or an ice corner or for stopping. I have also rode a 2019 renegade 850 pre studded 1.25 and it has a lot of pre studs and it hooks up and lifts the skis no problem and I do like that the lug studs don’t add tons of weight to the tracks.
Older sleds like that 2000 Polaris xc you had as a kid were 121" track not 120" I believe. Not a big difference obviously just think 120" tracks were new for a few years (2014 ish?) and then most companies changed to 129" tracks give it take. The manufacturing companies all had the same size tracks for years and now I believe they are all different within an inch or two just to be different and difficult so you can't put a Polaris track on a ski Doo. I haven't had a snowmobile without studs in over 15 years and I don't think I would ever have a sled without studs.
Hey Chad. You are right - It was a 121 track. And yes, studs are the way to go. I would feel naked without studs. Cheers, Jesse
I have a 1999 Yamaha with the original track in mint condition. 30,000km on that track. I have a 2006 Yamaha Attak that goes through tracks like crazy. 2 years tops. I think it mostly depends how hard you are on things. I've always only trail rid the old 99. The 06 goes anywhere and everywhere. I finally replaced the 99 with a 2022 Grand Touring. I'm still debating putting studs in it.
Hey Jess, I haven’t been on a sled in over 10 years I currently just bought a riot. I’m in Nova Scotia Canada where our weather changes by the second. I have a cobra track that came with the sled. In your opinion should I stud the track and if so how many studs. It’s a 146 I believe it’s a 1.375 🤪. I’d have to look at my paper work. Lol. Any help would be awesome. Thx for the content bro 👊
Hey Davi! Are you mainly trail riding? If so, go for the Power Point Plus 1.500". 2 per row. Get the pro series backers too. All from studboy. Appreciate the support brother. Shoot me an email at sledaddicz@gmail.com and I can go into more detail and you can ask any questions u have.
Cheers, Jesse
@@sledaddicz Thank you !!
My preference would be prestudded or no studs. Ran studs on one sled and hated the extra noise and vibration. Studs also do nothing in loose snow (in my experience). I live in North Bay and only ride here and north and don’t come across much bare ice.
Good review though - for the aggressive rider studs are a must.
Thanks for your comment Jon! I get where you are coming from and you are correct, in loose snow stud's don't do much. Cheers, Jesse
when these 850s break loose on a icy trail you best be ready to correct or your done for!
haha you are definitely correct sir! Always gotta be in control with an 850 under the hood - thats why we are a firm believer in performance studs. Cheers, Jesse
'How s the stoping power with the backers ?
Excellent! The studs help a lot but the backers basically just add lugs so they help considerably with braking. Cheers, Jesse
On my XRS I got the inch 1//2 pre-started track and I put 90 real studs on it too
Hey John! That's awesome. That will work really well for you! Cheers, Jesse
I have the ice ripper 1.25 ,I have a 20 Indy xc 850 137 and most times don't have a problem hooking up,I think the Polaris sleds transfer a bit more weight than the ski doo's,I ride with 3 skidoos and they definitely have more weight up front,my buddies get stuck on road crossings Alot,and also don't brake as well in our steep mountain trails I guess everything is a trade off 😆, Every one loves the assault but I can set my pro cc up to rip and handle flat on the trails or set it up loose with a lot of weight transfer if I'd like ,love your guys videos can't wait till some white stuff falls😂😂
I can't wait for the white stuff either! Thanks for tuning in and supporting the channel. Lots more content to come :)
Cheers, Jesse
1.5 ice Ripper with 96 1.625 inch studboys and pro lite backers is a perfect balance IMO.
Agreed on the studs. I prefer the ripsaw 1.5 over the ice ripper. If your gonna stud it its a waste to spend more money on the ice ripper. Cheers, Jesse
2 seasons 10k daaaamn
Yup I ride as much as I can. 2021 I put on 13,000 kms from Dec to April. Cheers, Jesse
I have question everyone tells me studs suck I'm Sally having studs
Ask away Matt! Always happy to help. Whoever told you studs suck frankly don't know what they are talking about.. Cheers, Jesse
Imagine riding on the ice and you do a barrel roll with studs suck🤣