110cc Motorized Bike Performance Update
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- This is how I fixed the comically bad "110cc" Motorized bike kit.
Before it was unusable, but now it is great!
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Whats better than putting together a new PK80 wildcat, and watching a new LA Hover vid on a rainy day off from work!?? ILL take it lol,, nice vid bud
I wrote a blog post about the soda can head gasket a long time ago. People said it wouldn't work but it did! It's cool to see others doing this now. Back then I don't think I did much to deck the head. If there was loss of compression, it was probably tiny. Maybe the thin plastic coating on the metal helps form a seal when heated. Also, ironing the soda can metal flat with a clothing iron helps make the task easier. No, I'm not kidding. It really does work!
When you're sanding down heads use a figure 8 motion 😁👍👍
Thanks for the tip
Oh that powerband seems perfect for a shift kit. Low to mid power and plenty of it, clicking through the gears between crawling and cruising.
I have a read case 110 cc lots of low in torque but it won't turn high RPM what do I need to do about this thought about sending it back but it's too late now
@@donniestuckey3835 what do they call that 110 motor you have? With most of these motors, a standard thing to do is to clean up the ports, widen the exhaust primarily at the upper left and upper right, check squish and make sure it's around 0.75-0.8 mm by either shaving the top of the jug, or bottom of the head. To move the powerband up, you're going to need to change the port timing. Widen the transfers slightly towards the rear, get the top of them at around 118-124 degrees ATDC depending on what you want for power, get your blow down percentage right. There's a bit to that.
The easiest thing is to get a bigger carb for that big motor something around 19mm, clean the ports, widen the exhaust, set squish gap, make sure your exhaust isn't restricted.
so far in my short time in this hobby, built about eight bikes, the firt a nel lusso and graduating from there thru all the zeda 80’s and a couple phantoms and a falcon I have had the best performance with the yd 100, non window third transfer port , g2 reed 38 tooth…I soak my rings pistons and bearings for a week or so in a ziplock baggy , I sand the rings with 220 grit slightly, I also file a few grooves in the clutch plate ….. I lower the cylinder, I raise the exhaust and lower the intake… My favorite tool for cleaning up transfers is a 1/4 x 20 four inch bolt I hack saw a groove lengthwise and put my sandpaper in / homemade flapper… as always enjoy your insights.
Nice tip for the transfers, thanks!
that bottom end is like mines af80 witch gives me an idea 70cc minarelli top end
The 110 seems more promising now. I hope you'll get to the yd100 levels soon enough performance wise. I'm still thinking about getting a yd100. We'll see
@@Patrick-ps4ez I actually have a yd too, just a corpse. The mounting bolts had to be retapped to m10. I can't buy a case gasket or a cylinder kit anywhere. My cylinder is scorred but I'll just send it and buy a new piston. I hope gasket maker is gonna be enough for the case to seal
@@Patrick-ps4ez no. It doesn't do 47mph all stock. Don't mislead people. It will do 30mph at most with a 44.
@@KenC56mm he said he had a 36t, anyway speed isn't everything, bla bla
@@KenC56mm it will do over 40mph at least I have a 66cc does 45mph with a 32t with plenty of mods so surely yd100 can reach that no problem I would think
I mean, can you wish more out of this channel absolutely not, this is the best channel ever so much details and love everything such amazing channel thank you for all the information and teaching 🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️
Glad you enjoy it!
You are truly a miracle worker! Love how it’s coming along. World of difference. Can’t wait for part 2. Just joined the discord too, though I’m still getting used to it.😄Thanks MBJ😎🙏🏻
Welcome aboard!
Good to see the 110 is working out. Been checking the laws here in FL. Seems they consider a Motorized bike a moped . I'll need to get it to moped standards and get it inspected by DMS to get a vin number then get a plate for it and all you need is a regular driver license. And it must be 50cc or under . Bit of a pain , but it's not going to stop me. Tell Henry I said hello .
He says "Bark!" :)
@Johnny Octane I'm over here in Barefoot Bay next to Sebastion . The county cops in the Bay never bother you...BUUUUTTT !, If you go into Sebastion , there is a rookie cop try'n to make a name for himself and gave me a warning so I hauled azz home. And a trooper in the area is also looking MZ bikes for sport. So I want to make my cruiser mz a leagle moped so I can thumb my nose at them and pizz them off. 40 bucks for a vin and 6 for a plate. And I just may title it too. You do not need a motorcycle endorsement or insurance in FL. Just a regular class E .And a good headlight ,tail light and brake light to be seen from 500 ft. Didn't say any thing about turn signals in the law books but I'll put them on anyway and fenders too. Will see what DNS sez when I get inspected for vin.
Yeah that sucks. I live in Poland and here the laws are a bit better, a motorized bike with a 50cc engine or under is just a bicycle if it still has pedals.
Man you sure have come a Long way from the first time I saw your first few videos!! Amazing
:) Thanks fellow Builder!
I think that drilling holes in cluth plate can help with grip
Drilling holes will reduce weight and rotational force but it also reduces mating surface. It's a balancing act and I'm curious to see if this helps
You wont need a better clutch. Adjust the preload spring. Stock clutch will handle about 7-8hp and you aren't even close to that.
Will try that thanks.
Drill holes in the friction plate
It's interesting that you are applying serious two-stroke 101 to this engine.
It apparently needed every bit of it and more!
Keep a close eye on your blowdown time as raising your transfer ports will decrease this.
Too little and you'll be blowing combustion pressure into your transfer ports..not good.
There's a formula for this and I can't recall it, I'm sure you can look it up.
Cool video, subscribing right now.
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You do a great job editing and narrating your videos!!!!
Thank you so much!
Good fix, mabie spray the clutch pads with brakeclean and, or tighten the flower nut a knotch or two
Great idea
I was half expecting a certain sticker to appear on the paper down at the range 😅
oh lol... No, no, that would be a bit much IMO :P
We had our fun, moving on now :)
Ride safe Builder!
Got me thinking, it must be at least 14 years since I stepped foot on a range! 😅
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That's hilarious!!
I'm sure the phantom 85 v3 has this same connecting rod. Which is good for me so I can put that ms660 on it. Good job on working so hard on such a blasted motor
Currently not riding, as waiting for new bearings to overhaul the rear hub. But, great work on getting that to run! Keep up your work!
Thanks, will do!
Watching you reload some 45acp scored you points with me. Subscription added.
Lol, cat about to climb that bike in the beginning 😂
On the table to the left lol near the window mr piston Googly eyes
Hit me up on discord if you want to claim some stickers :) Server is linked in the description. Just Tag "@LA Hover" in any of the chats.
My Dad used to use one of those Rock Tumblers for his Brass...
If I never have to polish brass again it won't be too soon. Still got my brass. Except it's green and hasn't seen daylight in years
Intro cat very cute 😆
I just ordered one of these motors last night, it will be here tomorrow. I can't wait to get my hands on it for my new Daily I just built I have wanted to try this motor over the phantom since they came out. I'm very excited to finally be able to afford one to try. I can't wait to post about it and try it for myself. I see so much more potential in this motor over the phantom and Im very excited to show what I think it can do. Plus I love an iron sleeve motor for a daily and being a big brother to my favorite motor out (the yd100) I feel like it's destiny. Lol.
Sweet, looking forward to your videos on it. Hopefully I just got unlucky with mine, it was a mess.
Wpu don't even know how fast I clicked on this
Bikes and beards did a video on the f zéro frame then they put a hole in the piston
lol I'm watching that video now :D
Looks like you’ve got her running nice well done. You are very blessed to have a great outdoor range like that on your door step I’m trying not to be jealous hahaha brilliant !
Thanks 👍
7.20.in on the shelf??...nice work I'm going to be working in intake trench or 3rd port maybe...the windowed piston just showed up so I'll try that first with my G2REED carb upgrade
Nope, but he is in the room :) Good luck on your build, reeds can be a bit tricky to tune at first.
I would experiment with a lower gear ratio from the clutch to the wheel, a bigger sprocket on the wheel. Then it can rev a bit higher and the clutch will more easily overcome torque needed at the wheel instead of slipping.
You also want to raise your exhaust to gwt more top end.
Have you considered doing a twin engine bike like the Zeda Motorsports build? That would be cool to see.
It would be nice, but I don't have the tools to pull off something like that.
My bike blew a rod bearing on the crank side so time to look.for a crank
I was thinking about getting one of these 110cc motors. So if I deck the cylinder and head and make a soda can head gasket without angling the transfers, you think that'd be ok, or would I need to jb weld those transfers ?
Start with just cleaning out the cylinder, and rinsing the case out with gas (be safe, do it next to the water hose). This thing had allot of metal trash in it...
If performance sucks, get a pipe first, mz65, or bike berry deluxe if you are on a budget.
The pipe should make up for most of the issues with the transfers by pushing the fresh charge back into the cylinder.
you got a neat kitty cat there at 0:00
These are the best videos. Taking your bike to a place and enjoying another hobby. Great stuff. I learned a lot as always! thanks for taking the time to make these videos!😇😍🤩
Thanks!
3:55 nice pod in the tape
Wish I could quit these things... tried and failed 4 times in 3 years.
Anyways, thanks for watching, :)
@@LAHover wow don't scare me. Im just starting to love these things.
@@acorncz4752 so did I at first, but they are very addictive. If you can, switch to the flavor only pens ASAP.
@@LAHover i never had a serious one. I just had like three one-time ones. So i don't really know that flavour. But they made me desire a normal one.
Since that’s an iron sleeve you can run a flex hone in it !
9:26 KITTY!! love the video btw thanks a lot🐈👍
Those gun sounds, so good
Great info.TY for all the hard work,and tips.
It's looking like I can buy a cdh 110cc top end for 80ish total on ebay and upgrade my overpriced BT100 way cheaper than bikeberry. Gaining 6ish cc's, getting the iron sleeve and the ability to use an expansion chamber. Bikeberry's cnc head might fit too. I can't wait to try this.
Nice vid. Engine seems like a pos so will be avoiding absolutely. Would live if they made a quality reliable 2 stroke bicycle kit from standard. Hit and miss with these things.
At least your liner looks nice and thick. On my CDH 49mm iron sleeve it's poured uneven and very thin. Actually broke off on the corner of the bottom of the cylinder flange. I complained about it, and they sent me another already broke off before it even came to me. Thing is I couldn't find the piece that broke off in the box, indicating that they sent it to me that way.
You seem a lot more experienced than I am with these motors. I'd like to ask what you thought about still trying to use my cylinder, with a piece of the corner of the bottom of the bore flange being broken off?
I've done spent way too much money on my build. I want to travel great distances and not breaking down is my main concern. Not so much speed, but power and longevity are paramount. Any suggestions will greatly help. Oh and before I forget, I was thinking of just doing away with the cylinder and getting a 50cc minarelli. You think I'd have decent bottom end going that route? Thanks in advance 🤗
Amazing video dude! Just, I can't find the video where you tone the carb and clutch. Did you end up making it?
Theres something about Folgers and reloading that some people just dont understand 😅
You should sell these motors in 3 styles low end ported mid ported and topend ported for $300 a pop for those of us that don't know how to pirt and use a degree wheel! So people can get a decent 110cc engine!
My 100cc ran like 💩 but after a new 2 stroke custom exhaust with a big expantion chamber it comfortably does 50kph
GUNS AND GEARS .....my nether regions are all tingly...
Lol
Why is every seller lying about the cc's a 80cc doesnt have 80cc, i know the phantom 85 seems to be a real 85
question. is a YD-100 good for a someone new to the hobby. I watched your videos a lil bit and the YD-100 seemed like it was pretty fun so I wanna try it out
Ya mine didn’t have much power next paycheck I’m getting a bbr motor
Starts with sanding the head and somehow ends up loading ammo and going to the range. What kind of fuckery is this? :)
Used to ride the bikes to the range all the time in the early days of the channel :) Good times, good times.
When is Honda or Yamaha going to step up & give us a solid bicycle motor build.?
I was eyeballing the advertising for this motor thinking bigger is better.But the outer casing workmanship looked rough.
The motors usually come like that hard to believe but they do I had one and I had to fix it it was brand new out the box and it was f***** up I had to buy all new parts for it new gaskets and I was running brand new
Have the same motor shit won’t even start I rode it once for liek 10 mins b4 it turned off
I'm literally in my first week of owning this exact motor and yes man everything that I've just seen is 100% accurate although The Jug sleeve on mine was also chipped off at the bottom
The sad thing is, after I got it running strong and started to like it... The magnet shaft broke during a ride lol... So now I'm replacing the crank too.
Looks like cast 45's. Would that be the lee 200 grain flat nose? It's fun to stumble across a video with two of my hobbies mixed in. I shoot alot of cast 38 special loads, and recently upgraded my 2 cavity 358-158-rf mold to a 6 cavity. I've also been working on my motorized bike to get some more power out of it. Currently looking to get a new expansion chamber. I found out that the stock exhaust was what's been slowing my down. I drilled some holes in the baffle and got some performance increase, but just taking the bottom off entirely gives me alot more torque and top speed for now.
What is that strapped to the end of the exhaust? I've heard the expansion chambers are pretty loud. I live in the Northern US Rockies, just outside Yellowstone. I'm not worried about sound when I ride out of town, but riding around town, my wife says she can hear me from about 500 yards away. That's with the baffle removed. I shudder to think of the terror I'd cause my neighbors if I don't find a better solution to the power to noise ratio.
Nailed it, 200 grain flat noes for my 45
And that would be the "Badass shark silencer" works great in town without hurting performance.
Do you cast your own boolits?
Personally, I stay away from lead...I don't want to deal with lead fouling in my barrels.
I reload .45acp, fmj practice rounds, for 2 to 5 inch barrels and want them to run well in all of my pistols, so I've settled on Montana Gold bullets.
ANYWAY! The more I watch this channel, the more I want to build a motorized bike!
I cast most of my own. I'll some times powder coat my higher velocity rounds, but the slower stuff like 45 never seems to give me issues with fouling.
Do a update video on this motor
The magnet shaft snapped off of the crank. RIP
Hello, I had bought one of these kits of course before reading reviews like these. I had the exact thing happen... garbage right out of the box. One question I have is, Would you have any idea why they would make a 3 ring piston for this? The replacement cylinder and piston are also the same way. I thought by buying a new cylinder it would take care of the porting problem, but it did not so you can pass that along too. I haven`t tried it yet but what would you think about removing bottom ring and trying it like that???
I never knew they were two peice jugs, why not get a high compression head and see if you can't find a similar cylinder online
Figured this is a good place to ask.
Suggestions for a good "budget" kit? Just needs to get me around town, and to work (about 5 miles per day)
A 4 stroke kit and wth is with your photo.
I noticed on a lot of these motors the dumbest things are wrong with them you think it’s worth buying a cheaper kit to use as a mock up to see wat it’s gona take to make it really nice so that way I’d get used to how they work and wats gona need to be beefed up for the bigger motor I figured with the kit I’ll get like the tank and all the outher stuff
This particular motor was the biggest mess I have ever seen. But ones like the Firestorms and Wildcat PK80 are normally in much better shape... Still, it's always a gamble.
Any advice on the 100cc 4 strokes on eBay and Amazon?
Have you tried the new eBay 2 piece 80/100cc?
Thinking of getting one but haven’t found any videos about it
Question for ya I got a 100cc gas bicycle motor off of Amazon last year and I just found out tonight that my piston do not go all the way down past the exhaust hole you can see the top ring and it covers up half of the hole what should I do and how would I fix it or can it be fixed
All new engine need to sand by sandpaper to seal evenly.
Americans like their guns lol I’m from Canada so this is pretty new to me
Just an overly complicated way to poke holes in paper :P ... but so satisfying!
Where did you get this motor kit from I'm just curious cuz I would like to order one and do some work to a spare motor
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Good video buddy
What's up I have a question? I just got the 110 engine kit and out the box it want even attempt to run it has fire and will not start!! Any input ..please
What bicycle is the black one?
Hey have u ever tried to use jb in jugs that got messed up with deep lines from rigs busting up? I wonder if it would hold
I knew when you showed up with unloaded mags that you were about to be shooting 10 rounders in a very not free state. Where ya from?
I like you my man. Got me wanting to do this asap. Def going to have to go for the phantom 85 for best performance and I know it’s going to be underwhelming as I’m a rider but I just have to do it!!!
Btw… 44/46 tooth rear sprocket if I want to do wheelies?
The Phantom 85s are powerful. But they keep blowing up on people.
As for the mags, we don't have a 10 round limit here. But I think I was shooting the 45 that day. It just so happened to only fit 10.
How about the anbull 80cc people claim it will do 40mph stock
Any advice on ms880 case reed build
Time for a clutch
I'll try one more time to fix this one. But I have had different style clutch basket laying around for a while that I need to test, so I might throw it on.
Ok...motorized bikes, shooting, reloading...deamn, why you are not my wife :-D
lol
From your experience does a minor scratch fingernail deep on the cylinder walls make a huge difference. My engine came scratched pretty deep from factory do i really have to scrap the upper
Most of the time they will run fine with scratches. Any loss in power will likely not be noticeable.
Over time the cylinder lining may start to chip near the scratch (unless it's an iron sleeve).
Personally, I would have no issues running it.
When you get around to replacing it, be sure to use new piston rings.
I have a question what level should i gap my sparkplug
Chinese are small people and are good at making small motors but once they get above their weight things break!
You should have been able to go 50 mph in that thing. Then again I don't know anything about engines but that's kind of pitiful. 28mph and 110cc?
Next video on this engine?
Hey how are you gonna upgrade the clutch, put A better spring in?
Mr piston was behind u by the cylinders
hey guys, wondering why the 110cc is not good out of the box can someone please tell me
You know... That is LITERALY the subject of this video right?
I am showing you IN THE VIDEO what the issues are and how I fix them...
Hi, I would love to know the measurements from one stud to the other diagonally from the underside of the common 80cc engine
Don't know if it helps you but it's 58x58 from center to center. Too big for most jugs
New subscriber and love the knowledge and the second hobby. I could always use some good advice and i wish i knew half the indo you do on these motorized bikes. How can i reach out to you to possibly set up a coast to coast ride? I want to set up a huge meet for all of us like minded enthusiasts.
Why is it 85cc?
Have you seen the new two piece jug for the YD100 (LD100)
Cant wait on the LD100 video. Im wondering what exhaust would fit it
Just revisiting a few videos, and I had to ask... did you get any better performance out of the 110?
To me it looks like it could be an interesting Diesel conversion.
It being 52mm and a removable head.
Just a thought.
I did, it actually picked up a good bit of power... Be For the crank shaft snapped lol. RIP
My brother in christ, are you a brass goblin? Lol
Use Kero or CRC instead of water
Can you do a minarelli build
Soon ;)
Hello, what size jet did you end up using? Did you solder and drill or replace? In your last video, you show 0.61mm, 0.72mm and 0.77mm drill bit sizes. Our motor bogs down like you've shown in the first video. It won't even idle with the idle adjustment screw all the way in. We will deck the head and adjust the ports like you have shown.
Sorry my memory on this is not great, I THINK I landed on a drilled out 0.72mm jet.
The wider exhaust and pipe are what I think made the biggest difference to gain power.
Decking the head for a better squish should help top end performance.
I still don't know if the transfer wall modification helped much so I would try that last.
New video tuning this build coming soon, but here is the jet kit I will be using for the stock PZ20 carb on this kit.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XL6BLFX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_image?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I have one of these 110's apart. Where did you get base gaskets?? and I need base gaskets, i've done the transfer porting but will still need the base's will need to be stacked to get enough open time for the transfers and the cly, will need to machined to retain squish and compression. ANYONE HAVE THIS INFORMATION??
I just cut my own when I need them :) I use "Fel-Pro 3157 Gasket Material" from auto zone.
You for sure need a bigger carb it bugging it need more gas
Cute cat :)