30:29 - 33:14 Perfectly articulated this in such cinematic terms. I feel a disconnect sometimes, but it's when I hear things like this every just seems to sync up, like you said, a part of the same narrative.
I love your love for David and Donna. Easily the most underrated characters. Their arcs and development are never talked about! You made me fall in love with Donna‘s complexities with your videos. Also so glad you are a Dylan and Kelly fan and understand the narrative that they were going for with them being soulmates. Also the actor who played Ray actually got fired because the response was so bad. Aaron hated that the audience thought Donna was stupid for staying with him so he got fired and his music and acting career took a huge nose dive. He actually suffered for many years bc of what Ray did and couldn‘t get jobs in the Industry. The plan was to redeem him in season 6 but it never happened.
I love Donna and David so much. I am genuinely thrilled that these videos have made you like Donna more. If Donna is proud of me, I'm proud of me. David and Donna are the best. It's a shame about Jamie Walters. All he did was play the character well! He was good as Ray. Based on what I saw in season five, the character was pretty irredeemable. Ray was a solid character and a truly despicable antagonist. I wish it didn't have to ruin a his career. He was an easy character to hate. Nothing wrong with that. The actor didn't do anything wrong. I think I've heard stories about Paul Johansson being attacked/insulted in public, mostly for OTH. Some guys are just great at playing villains. I like a good villain, especially in a teen soap. Dan Scott forever. Ray was hard to simply like. And I adore Dylan and Kelly.
David always felt the most authentic and relatable character to normal people because he was in touch with the 90s trends it‘s always fun to interact with his character! And yes Dylans storylines get more soapier and crazier each season. I wish he was more integrated with the rest of the cast it reminds me of Pacey. Those two didn‘t like college so the writers had to come up with something quick 😂 it feels like the only reason he is in beverly hills is kelly. I wish they gave him and brandon more scenes i always loved them interacting from them being brothers to the rivarly. It is true that Luke and Jason started to ask for more challenging stuff though so that‘s why their storylines are always the most crazy ones
Comparing college era Dylan to college era Pacey makes a lot of sense. They weren't fully integrated at all lol. Like, Chuck Bass didn't go to college either and spent a lot of time in life or death soapy conflicts too, but at least he was intimately involved with the rest of the characters. Dylan also reminds me a lot of Logan Echolls. Poor Little Rich Boys. I love soapy stories though. I'm always entertained by Dylan. Dylan, or maybe just Luke, had a habit of bringing the best out of the cast. He makes me like Brandon so much more than I ordinarily do. He has had excellent moments with all of them and keeping him so distant is hurting some of the other characters too, because they shine so much in his presence. David is a great character. I think he's emblematic of the nineties. I love the guy.
Season four of the college era of 90210 hope you got a pretty good start to it. She’ll pretty much go pretty princess and down until we were replaced with the girl from.😅 I hope you consider her post on this character as much. I really wish when she left so that’s when that show went down to.
I started rewatching 90210 for the first time since my early teens a few weeks ago, am on mid season 4 at the moment and it's been shockingly pleasurable and rewarding, yes. I thought the show was just a relic from my early teens, but it's actually genuinely great. I can't agree on David being the best character, though; he's unfortunately my least favorite. I don't mind unlikable characters, but David's descent isn't really interesting to me, just grating. Brenda was my favorite at the time and she remains my favorite now. Shannen Doherty gave us a legendary, timeless character. I will probably watch season 5 as I remember liking Valerie, but Brenda was truly the heart and soul of 90210 for me (even if I love Dylan, Donna and Andrea).
Finished season 4. HARD disagree on Dylan/Kelly being soulmates. The only reason that was written into the show is Shannen Doherty having to leave. Dylan and Brenda were truly endgame and I'm confident that's how the vast majority of fans also feel. Even Dylan's little sister Erica spills it out for us at one point: "I still think you should be with Brenda". The last scene of the season 4 finale feels like the season finale of Twin Peaks season 2: truncated due to external production factors and yet encapsulating the show perfectly. Brenda was the soul of 90210 and Dylan/Brenda were THE couple. I don't know how I'm going to start watching season 5 without Doherty/Brenda in the picture. Season 4 could be a series finale of sorts.
I like to think that the heart/soul of the show is shared between Brenda and Dylan. For different reasons. I'm a big Doherty/Brenda fan too. I wish they had provided an interesting boyfriend for her after Dylan, but her other romantic interests fell flat. Not her fault. I like that we can disagree on this, and I like that this triangle continues to be a contentious storyline. I feel that the chemistry Perry and Garth had was undeniable, palpable, and genuine. I also LOVE the drama from their relationship and I'm a sucker for their kind of romance. I thought they were so deeply sincere and attractive together. I also appreciate that I can see how Dylan/Kelly inspired many of my favorite teen soap couples. I honestly thought that Dylan/Brenda became stale near the end of season 2. Kelly made both of them interesting again in season 3, and the conflict led to some seriously superb acting from Doherty. Ultimately, I believe the genre itself benefited so much from Dylan/Kelly, as did the show and the characters involved. I thought they were super romantic and made me think about fascinating stuff. I definitely miss Brenda. Season 4 was excellent. You certainly feel her absence in season 5, but the show still managed to pull through. I'm on season 6 right now and... well, it's not so great 🫠
@@yourcultboyfriend I think Kelly and Dylan had a couple of really beautiful moments. When Kelly reveals her profound self-loathing in the swings scene and Dylan tells they are soul mates, it is undeniably powerful as two unloved souls find each other. Unfortunately that potential was not exploited and for the rest of their relationship, Dylan and Kelly did very little more than constantly fight. I think Brenda, Dylan are Kelly are all great characters who have complex, complicated, humanly messy relations with one another.
I love your channel. You're my favorite content creator. I love your passion towards teen dramas.
Thanks for the love!
30:29 - 33:14 Perfectly articulated this in such cinematic terms. I feel a disconnect sometimes, but it's when I hear things like this every just seems to sync up, like you said, a part of the same narrative.
I'm glad you liked that part!
I love your love for David and Donna. Easily the most underrated characters. Their arcs and development are never talked about! You made me fall in love with Donna‘s complexities with your videos. Also so glad you are a Dylan and Kelly fan and understand the narrative that they were going for with them being soulmates. Also the actor who played Ray actually got fired because the response was so bad. Aaron hated that the audience thought Donna was stupid for staying with him so he got fired and his music and acting career took a huge nose dive. He actually suffered for many years bc of what Ray did and couldn‘t get jobs in the Industry. The plan was to redeem him in season 6 but it never happened.
I love Donna and David so much. I am genuinely thrilled that these videos have made you like Donna more. If Donna is proud of me, I'm proud of me. David and Donna are the best. It's a shame about Jamie Walters. All he did was play the character well! He was good as Ray. Based on what I saw in season five, the character was pretty irredeemable. Ray was a solid character and a truly despicable antagonist. I wish it didn't have to ruin a his career. He was an easy character to hate. Nothing wrong with that. The actor didn't do anything wrong. I think I've heard stories about Paul Johansson being attacked/insulted in public, mostly for OTH. Some guys are just great at playing villains. I like a good villain, especially in a teen soap. Dan Scott forever. Ray was hard to simply like.
And I adore Dylan and Kelly.
David always felt the most authentic and relatable character to normal people because he was in touch with the 90s trends it‘s always fun to interact with his character! And yes Dylans storylines get more soapier and crazier each season. I wish he was more integrated with the rest of the cast it reminds me of Pacey. Those two didn‘t like college so the writers had to come up with something quick 😂 it feels like the only reason he is in beverly hills is kelly. I wish they gave him and brandon more scenes i always loved them interacting from them being brothers to the rivarly. It is true that Luke and Jason started to ask for more challenging stuff though so that‘s why their storylines are always the most crazy ones
Comparing college era Dylan to college era Pacey makes a lot of sense. They weren't fully integrated at all lol. Like, Chuck Bass didn't go to college either and spent a lot of time in life or death soapy conflicts too, but at least he was intimately involved with the rest of the characters. Dylan also reminds me a lot of Logan Echolls. Poor Little Rich Boys. I love soapy stories though. I'm always entertained by Dylan.
Dylan, or maybe just Luke, had a habit of bringing the best out of the cast. He makes me like Brandon so much more than I ordinarily do. He has had excellent moments with all of them and keeping him so distant is hurting some of the other characters too, because they shine so much in his presence.
David is a great character. I think he's emblematic of the nineties. I love the guy.
Season four of the college era of 90210 hope you got a pretty good start to it. She’ll pretty much go pretty princess and down until we were replaced with the girl from.😅 I hope you consider her post on this character as much. I really wish when she left so that’s when that show went down to.
Four and five is the best three seasons five but you know four it’s pretty good
I started rewatching 90210 for the first time since my early teens a few weeks ago, am on mid season 4 at the moment and it's been shockingly pleasurable and rewarding, yes. I thought the show was just a relic from my early teens, but it's actually genuinely great. I can't agree on David being the best character, though; he's unfortunately my least favorite. I don't mind unlikable characters, but David's descent isn't really interesting to me, just grating. Brenda was my favorite at the time and she remains my favorite now. Shannen Doherty gave us a legendary, timeless character. I will probably watch season 5 as I remember liking Valerie, but Brenda was truly the heart and soul of 90210 for me (even if I love Dylan, Donna and Andrea).
See there I hope you like the other seasons this is pretty good. Hope you like our big surprise who was on him before they get to Buffy anyway.
I hope you like our early dance got appearance as well😅 and I went out and an asshole and us, and I so-called life appearance as well
I wanted to always say this on Proto, Dan Scott😊 yeah that’s what I’m saying
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Finished season 4. HARD disagree on Dylan/Kelly being soulmates. The only reason that was written into the show is Shannen Doherty having to leave. Dylan and Brenda were truly endgame and I'm confident that's how the vast majority of fans also feel. Even Dylan's little sister Erica spills it out for us at one point: "I still think you should be with Brenda". The last scene of the season 4 finale feels like the season finale of Twin Peaks season 2: truncated due to external production factors and yet encapsulating the show perfectly. Brenda was the soul of 90210 and Dylan/Brenda were THE couple. I don't know how I'm going to start watching season 5 without Doherty/Brenda in the picture. Season 4 could be a series finale of sorts.
I like to think that the heart/soul of the show is shared between Brenda and Dylan. For different reasons. I'm a big Doherty/Brenda fan too. I wish they had provided an interesting boyfriend for her after Dylan, but her other romantic interests fell flat. Not her fault. I like that we can disagree on this, and I like that this triangle continues to be a contentious storyline. I feel that the chemistry Perry and Garth had was undeniable, palpable, and genuine. I also LOVE the drama from their relationship and I'm a sucker for their kind of romance. I thought they were so deeply sincere and attractive together. I also appreciate that I can see how Dylan/Kelly inspired many of my favorite teen soap couples.
I honestly thought that Dylan/Brenda became stale near the end of season 2. Kelly made both of them interesting again in season 3, and the conflict led to some seriously superb acting from Doherty. Ultimately, I believe the genre itself benefited so much from Dylan/Kelly, as did the show and the characters involved. I thought they were super romantic and made me think about fascinating stuff. I definitely miss Brenda. Season 4 was excellent. You certainly feel her absence in season 5, but the show still managed to pull through. I'm on season 6 right now and... well, it's not so great 🫠
@@yourcultboyfriend I think Kelly and Dylan had a couple of really beautiful moments. When Kelly reveals her profound self-loathing in the swings scene and Dylan tells they are soul mates, it is undeniably powerful as two unloved souls find each other. Unfortunately that potential was not exploited and for the rest of their relationship, Dylan and Kelly did very little more than constantly fight. I think Brenda, Dylan are Kelly are all great characters who have complex, complicated, humanly messy relations with one another.