If You Don't Do This, You're making A Mistake!
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- You've heard about quarantining but what is it, how do you do it and how long should you do it? All of those questions will be answered and so much more in todays episode.
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Pharmacist here! So happy you two brought up the medications and microbial resistance. This kind of information needs to be put on full blast!
I love the idea of a medication deep dive. I feel like I’ve learned so much in the last 3 years of fishkeeping- but when one of my fish gets sick, I feel like I’m completely at a loss. I’m looking forward to that podcast!
I am going back to using a plastic tote that I have used in the past for quarantining. The last 2 quarantine tanks I bought ended up being display tanks.
Ditto!😊
My 20 long to grow out my Electric Blue Acara fry turned into a nano tank with Chili's, Embers 😂
I have been so lucky in the last year. I have a 5 gallon of 10 gallon and a 20 gallon.
And I have not quarantined any fish
Now I'm scared to death to get another one
And yes, I know that if I get a gallon, it'll go on the stand. I have on the porch and I'll end up with another tank instead of a quarantine tank.
I would love to hear from the fishaceutical people…but also realize that they have a product to sell! 👍 on the sciencers.
At about :26, agreed! When I had to move, it would have cost me over $1k to relocate my fish room. The movers were just dumbfounded. I simply put an ad on Facebook, and before I knew it, the room was completely empty! I see it as saving $1k, so I could happily start over, which is not a bad thing.
The owners of Bermuda Triangle in Chattanooga, TN are amazing and very knowledgeable, that would be super cool to see you talk with them!
I have had so many questions about quarantining that I did not even know I had! 😄
This show is SO informative! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
This is such an important topic, and one that is easy to dismiss until you have a problem. Similar to John's story about Lisa's aquarium, I had an aquarium with about 12-14 rainbowfish plus other tankmates that had been up for a couple of years. I bought a school of 8 Odessa Barbs and added them right away. Within a week, I lost all but 1 of my rainbowfish to what I believe was epistylis. Whatever it was, it ran through the aquarium like wildfire. I would find 2-3 fish every morning that had died and did show any issues the day before. It was devasting seeing these full grown rainbowfish drop like flies. Everyone, please quarantine your fish before adding them to your tanks!
I'm 110% on quarantining new fish. I can also say I'm 110 % never did it. With 2 Beta only tanks (5 gal) , and 1 neo-shrimp tank (5 gal), 1 Puffer tank (10 gal- 2 puffers and a Anano shrimp), and a 75 saltwater tank, looking at the store tanks, fish, and anything that doesn't look good in a tank, buying from a (maybe only marine seller in Ct.) I've never had an issue with disease.
Oh yeah! I just this weekend bought a fish (of course it was a gift for my wife.)
Been to the store twice before super clean and nice, all fish lived...but Saturday there was Xs all over the tanks for no sell. Gambled on a $10 pea puffer..which didn't make 24 hours.
Even the stores you trust can have troubles.
Love the idea of bringing the Fritz people in. High value info.
You two reminded me of a very expensive education. Never ever medicate a new heavy new planted aquarium. 40 gal plus tanks. When I was ahem young I got 24 ember tetras and used my new 40 breeder as a quarantine tank since it's new. I never considered my plants, which was destroyed due to medication. Never again. I do dumb things but thank goodness I'm not stupid. lol
Lisa at the 1:06 mark. "Well, that's a first!"
Definitely one of the biggest gambles I take since I’m not allowed to have a 2nd tank of any size, shape, or form. Not even a plastic tote because my dad says “it still counts as a 2nd tank”. Being very picky with which fish stores I buy fish from has helped and I haven’t had any ich or other disease outbreaks since 2016 (knock on wood), except for a bizarre species-only die off in early 2023 that only targeted an entire school of roseline sharks when I made the mistake of trusting a bad fish store, but my bala sharks, rainbow shark (bought from same place), and cories were fine. Went back to my trusted fish stores afterwards and everything has been fine since.
Would definitely be interested in an episode on medications, and I’m so glad that you guys “know a guy”!
I am down for going “Deeper in the weeds” in regards to fish meds 👍 That would be a Great episode
I keep community fish and I have a 10 gallon QT. I have more places where I can put a 10 gallon and most meds are dosed in 10 gallon increments. I usually only have to quarantine up to 3, may 4 small community fish at a time.
Love you guys look forward every week to listening to you both . Being into fish for many many years I’m still learning I could watch you guys all day keep it coming🇬🇧
I can't express in mere words how much I appreciate you both! Definitely, the best fish related podcast! Thanks John and Jason! And..I would love a lesson on which medications and when to use them! ❤
I would love to hear an episode with you gentlemen on food and ingredients and lables pellets and frozen...
So I've got a 5gal with floating plants, leftover substrate and my struggling plants with a sponge filter and 5 gal heater for quarantine. I learned the hard way sadly how important it is
Perfect timing and perfect topic! U guys uploaded right in time for me to listen while I get ready for work. This topic is somethin Ive been wanting to learn more about too. 👍🏻
You answered the cycling question I had. Thanks.
Great episode, guys!! I would love to see Heiko Bleher as a guest. Great guy with a lot of knowledge. 👍
Salutations Gentleman..amazing information as always. Out of curiosity would you guys do a video on what you as a fish keeper could contract from your tanks.Mr.Jason talked about TB on last weeks live stream and if you have cuts on your hands ..dont go in the tank. I constantly have cuts and never thought to keep my hands out of the tank to not only keep that fish safe but myself as well. Again you Kings of the water realm Rock. Blessings and Prosperity to yall
Great episode with some amazing points! Definitely excited for a medication break down episode!
How do you recognize diseases that are not externally visible. If the fish are skinny, is it always internal parasites?
thanks for the great info guys! I'll have to get a hospital tank when I can
I've got medications on hand in case of emergencies, but I keep new fish in a half-assed "tank" for a week in 1/3 water from the current tank it's going into, 1/3 new water & 1/3 the water they came with. The tank water I use comes from the neighbor's pond which is full of all kinds of critters that outnumber potential parasites.
I have definitely played "Russian Roulette" when adding new fish to my tanks. I always had success (luck) until that one time...now I quarantine or just set up a new tank.😅😅 13 tanks and counting. Thank you for another great podcast!
Good talk!
LIKE! Sorry my phone is getting old! But absolutely 💯 the simplest answer is prevention and proactive care. If I ever had any doubts for sure this will set me straight and make the right call for the fish and not my approval. Or as I like to say, never be afraid to do enough! It’s calling it short over time or effort and even cost that makes problems grow and take longer with far more effort and costs much more, maybe even life! Love it! Stay happy and healthy my friends 😊❤
A couple of simple questions. Snail, Shrimp. Should these be quarantined as well?
Lastly, any recommendations or advice for moving quarantined fish to display tank? This is stressful for fish, too.
This is great!
Great podcast. Personally, I think folks won't start quarantining until they lose some existing fish. At least that was true for me.
Amazing knowledge shared here, thanks a ton!
Great podcast, very informative.
wonderful podcast, the question I have: I tried playing the quarantine game: I always keep the sponge filter running in my display tank as a second filter (I used it with the quarantine tank), I use Fritz 7 to add more useful bacteria, I feed once a day, 5 Gal tank. I have tried quarantining panda cories 2 times there, all fish dead in matter of days most die on one day, which leads me believe it can be an ammonia spike, but how so with the cycled filter and fritz 7????, I have drip acclimated the fish before letting them into the tank, feed once a day, temperature around 75 degrees.
I am starting to think may be my display tank has something that the rest of my fish is not bothered by, but the new fish once exposed get sick and die, but within one week??? And all the fish in my display tank are thriving and breeding like crazy.
Great informations, thank You!
Awesome show, Thank you.
Thank you for the fantastic episode!! Keep up the great work!
As a fisherman that cleans alot of wild caught fish i would say 50% of them have visble internal parasites but where incredibly healthy.
Can we have an episode on fish meds???
I will be quarantineing from now on. To start, I don't know of these fish had a disease or if it was pure coincidence. I bought five Tetras from who I've bought most of fish and put them in my Super Red Pleco grow out tank.The next morning, one of the Tetras was dead, with no signs of anything. Within the next 4 four days, I lost one Tetra a day. Everything was fine until approximately two weeks later my wife leaves for work at 1:00 PM, with no problems. I get home from work at 4:00 PM to find 35 out of 40 baby plecos dead. By the next day, the other 5 were dead. I tale that tank down, then about 3 weeks after that, the tank next to it that had more baby plecos and the breading parents went to hell. Another 30-40 baby plecos dead, and within 3 days, the adult breading pair are dead. I starting dosing the tank with meds and was fortunate enough to be able save my Angel Fish. So those $50 of fish most likely lost me around $800 in the plecos that I was selling all because I didn't quarantine.
So, The Professor has been keeping fish the same length of time as I have. Roughly 1980.
I have quarantined fish for a year a few times, just because I'm paranoid. Not all the time, but its always longer than a month. When was the last Quad City Swap? My corys are still in quarantine and will be for some time. My red frontosa are still in quarantine and I bought them two Greenwater swaps ago.
What about using a salt bath as a preventative/curative. This used to be a big thing in the hobby. There's no increase of medicine resistance, but I wonder if going from the shop's water parameters to a slightly salt increase then back to our 'normal' parameters would increase stress on the fish? I'm talking of a minimal salt concentration, or if the level is that low, would it even be useful for the health of the fish? Thoughts??
I can't tell you how many times I've explained in beginner groups how imperative it will be to quarantine no matter where the fish is from. I've seen "they are from a trusted seller/store/breeder" great stress alone can cause illness, your water parameters vs how they were kept can be different even if your nextdoor neighbor gifts you a fish. @primetimeaquatics Jason, I've spoken with managers at local petcos in Cook & DuPage keeping their tanks slightly brackish. plopping them into an established tank, they stress out, any people are perplexed why the tank now has illness and blame the box stores.
* It's important to note YOUR TANK CAN CAUSE ILLNESS TO NEW FISH VS THE NEW FISH. (oops jason literally just said this)
* I also mention both your channels as breeders/sellers, and Cory from aquarium co op who stress quarantining . *I'll note too knowing before swaps Jason and Joanna QT fish. Asking what meds they used may also help so you don't run your process and accidentally OD fish they may need time in non medicated water to adjust then dose.
☆ THE ONLY TIME I'd add new fish to an established tank would be if I'm swapping some of my fish from my other tanks and plan on running a preventative dose in that tank, or if I'm setting up a new tank with well established media in which case they are the only occupants anyway.
❤ just know I've learned so much from both you and your lovely wives!
The amount of times I say at a store my fish are going into QT and the team members are blown away saying I'm the 1st customer they've heard talk about that. It's crazy. Sorry so long. If you see this novel comment.
That would be an awesome episode on the types of medication and what they do. Both of you are doing an awesome job with these vids. I assure you it is very much appreciated by your followers. Thank you fellas
40:20 welcome to the twilight zone
Looking forward to what medication is best to use.
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Regarding fishmeds: if you do a fishmeds episode, please, *please* remember that you have lots of non-american fans here, and fish medication availability through most of europe and canada is very similar... And horribly limited.
So *please*, particularly if you uave an industry expert guest, get them to talk about their recommends for people in other countries like Canada and the United Kingdom.
Fritz DOES sell some products here in Canada, for example, but the selection is very limited and this becomes a whole subject that is very difficult for the rest of us.
Thwres a LOT of videos discussing how and what to treat with for Americans, but very little to nothing for the rest of us.
@andrewwhittaker2908 My uncle was a commercial fisherman. He held fresh caught fillet (white meat) up to the sun and bent it. You could see white worms. Most have worms
How should you clean and dry the Python between tanks? I usually just run really hot water through after a siphon.
What are your thoughts on Epsom salt bath for new fish before putting them in your tank
Have never done it. Unnecessary if there are no obvious signs of disease.
So if my discus shop goes and buy fish directly from the breeder, I don't need to do preventive medication. Only quarantine. But if I want add rumynose tetra, who are most of the time wild caught, I do use preventive medication? Not because the are sick from the parasites, but because the discus can be. Or would only do the quarantine with the rumynose?
Do the recommendations also go for invertebrates?
Not necessarily
Great point about not contaminating equipment between tanks but what about buckets?
If you dry it between uses is there still a risk that a bucket could transfer disease ?
Good question
Risk goes down considerably
If you get sick fish do you throw all the filters and substrates in the garbage?
I do!
Is a UV light useful in preventing or controlling disease spread?
Maybe but it also breaks down any meds you put in the tank.
Which medication exactly affects the cycle?
Almost all of them
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Don't make it too complicated. I'm stupid.😊😂
You mentioned letting your sponge filter run for 4 weeks, are you adding any ammonia during that time or will the beneficial bacteria survive that long with no added nitrogen source?
Run it in your main established tank until the moment you add your fish to the quarantine tank.
Hi there, I am still listening to this and not sure if it was brought up yet but are you able to keep a quarantine tank up and running all the time or is that NOT a good thing to do? Are you suppose to dismantle it after every use? Thank you
Did i miss the desinfection chapter?
Not necessary if no disease. If parasites were properly treated also not necessary.
Hi guys first I need to say really good episode I am learning a lot ,hey John very funny u do something when Jackson loose the internet, u get upset and start scratching your shoulder, so funny, don't get stressed, you guys are doing a great job ,by the way I don't know if I write your names correctly if not I apologize, one more time I think this is the best channel that talks about fish in RUclips.
This was a great talk. I learned something today, thank you! John made me chuckle at the end, I find I do the same thing sometimes. Yes, please dive into the weeds of fish medication. Even after years, I still find myself confused and doubting what to use.
One question I have, how long on average to get a quarantine tank ready for fish? I would use a sponge filter from one of my established tank and make sure the water is at a good temp, are we talking a normal 2 to 3 month cycle time?
Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong. With a sponge filter that's been running in an established tank used for a QT, I believe you are good to go. I personally would give it a day or two, unless I impulse buy.. which is what I think Jason said.
With cycled media the tank is ready to go immediately
@@TheTankTalkPodcast Thanks that makes sense. Get the water to right temp is the easy part, use warm water and heater to take care of that. Now to find a cheap 10 gallon. :) Typically I add fish to tanks as the first and only inhabitants, so this was not an issue.
Isn’t a 5 gal sufficient if I only ever get 4-5 nano fish at a time like guppies and small tetras?
Yes, for that small of fish.
Yep!