I wrote , sang , produced and recorded 80 songs on eight albums in nine years. The world of songwriting is a magical, creative dream I did not want to wake up from . When I finished, I was elated and confident. Job well done , then 2020 arrived …the world is not the magical , happy place I thought it was . My music is everywhere, I receive nothing . What I really wanted was respect . Talent is a double edged sword . It’s shiny and you protect it , then the complexity of it turns on you and stabs your heart .
Thanks again, another great lesson. The 90 minute rule is something I definitely will adopt. I'm often defeated by impatience. So much good advice in one video!
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Hello. Thanks for your channel. You have lots of good information. I started writing a couple years ago, as a "lockdown project". I have about 30 completed songs, and it's been quite a journey so far...it's a never-ending learning process.
I often fall in the trap of I have to make a hit it has to be great. It’s representing me and I want to put out the best version because I want people to view me in a elite way. I’ve been practicing to view thing’s differently now. I ask myself why am I proud of this song regardless of others opinions? Did I improve on a specific skill? Did i give a worthy effort or where any parts a bit lazy? And finally am I still excited about this song when I go back to it in a week or so? I know I can’t control the what others think so I just focus on the work. Thank you for this video.
Really enjoying this channel. I find perfectionism a double edged sword it can yield the most amazing results i.e. getting the most expressive vocal during recording or eeking out as much emotion in your writing while digging deep. That said, it can make the process so stressful and stifling and sometimes you lose the essence of what you mihht have found in the initial idea. So many of the greatest writers let it go and embrace the imperfection.
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I always wrote when my feelings were overloaded about something, I'm a very emotional person, and my writings are rarely cheerful. But it is therapeutic and now because of you guys- can put it in song form which I always envisioned
Great tips. Some of these are now familiar to me, thanks to watching many other videos on this channel, but always helpful to hear again. The Joni Mitchell quote about complaining really hit home. I'll try hard to remember that one. Very helpful. Thank you!!
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I have never heard anybody talk about how long it takes to push past mental, emotional, and or spiritual blocks. One thing that Pharrell said that helps me is when he said he is just a receiver an antennae getting downloads. Sometimes the downloads are a open flow of creativity other times it seems to drip like a broken faucet. I found it helps to know I can not force that flow only make myself available to receive it. Sometimes that takes an hour sometimes 5.
One of my favourite first lines is from Whiskey and You by Chris Stapleton - "There's a bottle on the dresser by your ring ..." It immediately tells you what the whole song is going to be about and it's really visual.
Starting a song from a title, which will very often be the chorus, is a solid way to write pop music. I have found that when you start from a good opening line you'll get a different type of song. Not necessarily better, just a different kind of song.
Thank you so much this was an amazing video. It halped me so much. Iv been NOT doing what i wanted to do becous of ME standing in my own way. Now Malbec im too old but i want let that stop me from doing what i love, witsh is writing Songs and making music. So Thank you!
God this is great stuff. I read once that Lennon and McCartney would sit down a write a song together in no more than three hours. And they never failed to produce a song. Training yourself to expect this and work like this can be very useful. I also finish a song most times I sit down. And if not, I throw it all out. I never keep notes and come back to it. My thinking is that if it's strong it will come back to me in different form. So oddly, rather than be a note taker, I actively try to forget my song ideas.
Love this method - letting the natural process of memory and impact take effect is something I do as well. Let us know if there are any other topics you’d like us to explore in a video. Thanks
@@htws I guess the hard stuff is always getting to the emotional heart of the matter, better word choices, stronger images, and avoiding easy/overused rhymes. Would love to hear anything you have on that. Also form. As a person who trained myself on The Beatles I feel I`m too locked into the bridge. What are some other ways to get to the end of a song, yet still stay poppy ?
I really appreciate these videos 🙏 I am an ex-student of you both, and it's so nice to hear these lessons and ideas once again, to further solidify the ideas. Without you guys I wouldn't have ever been able to write a single song, or go on to write many more!
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That thing absolut the ocean was so beautiful. My thought was that the ocean dosen care if om good or bad it just is and the best way to be is to be authentic and just jump in!
I also feel that, with the first quote of Craig Morrison, it also could mean that you shouldn't put pride in (your) music. I don't know if I'm using the right words for this to make it make sense, but what I'm saying is: you can be proud of something, just don't think yourself higher than anyone else just cause you think your songs are better (you're absolutely allowed to think that cause it's subjective after all, but it's not about that. It's about how you can compare yourself to others based on that.) There's a million artists out there with all different styles and genre that absolutely love what they are making. While their songs/skills/whatevers might not sound good to you, it might sound good to them and other people. I thought of this cause I'm pretty active in my music study's and therefore know a lot of musicians or music students that think they're better than others based on their music skill, preference or dedication. This is something that has bothered me for a while cause we always compare ourselves with other musicians to see who's better and who's not. Reason for this might be 'cause the music industry is extremely competitive and, to get somewhere, you might think you need that "only the best of the best" attitude. But the ocean is big, it's a lot of things, it's not something you can control and it's mass is bigger than any of us. Deeming yourself higher 'cause of the ocean is absolutely ridiculous. I guess you could say it also goes with Keppie's meaning that there's a lot and you can never achieve all of that skill, so ranking your self worth based on something like music or the ocean is just meaningless. Of course, go on and write songs you absolutely fall in love with the moment you play them or listen to your favourites or produce them to be able to release them to the public, just don't think you're better than your neighbour who makes punk-classical-shoegaze-metal-pop music, whom absolutely loves it, just cause y'all don't have the same genre/skillset/idea/whatever. That's pretty much what I thought at first when hearing the quote😎
Once again. What a brilliant insight you both have towards music and the aesthetic values of song writing. What a basic question. What is it about what this is that people love?
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I have been realizing one of your points, profoundly, when working/writing on guitar. I, apparently, need to be absolutely mortified, my fingers need to be stinging, burning, before I can come up with anything good, or innovative, or interesting on the guitar. For me, that means that four, six, whatever, hours need to pass before I get into the zone. The problem is, that this is my physical edge of what my fingers can play, it leaves me with 30, maybe 45 minutes to write, practice, and learn the new part. So, I can only move the boulder so far each day. I wish I could get into the zone faster. I wish I could just jump into the zone and spend 4 hours moving the boulder... that boulder might actually get to places!
Re the wait 90 minutes - I read somewhere that John Lennon said about writing songs "do not leave the piano" i.e. finish what you started. Sort of equivalent to don't stop at 30 minutes.
Totally right. Complaining in song without a point, generalization or lesson learned, or moment of clarity that others can relate to is just painful and can come off as selfish or wallowing in self pity or anger.
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I think that Pomodoro is better for shifts working as a freelancer for other projects. But when working on your own creation 25 minutes is not enough to get in the zone
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I'm in the band Battle Flag with David Mondragon (from E-Town Concrete and 40 Below Summer) and we're independently releasing a bunch of new music. We currently have 2 singles up on all streaming platforms (attached) and we will be releasing 8 more in the 1st half of the year. The band is: David Mondragon - Vocals/Guitars Steve Mondragon - Guitars Jake Carrion - Vocals/Bass Steve O'Neil- Drums We've been writing, rehearsing, and recording out of Rockstar Studios in Middlesex, NJ over the last few years and we played our 1st group of shows at the end of 2022. If you need any additional info so that we may be considered a spot on the show, please do not hesitate to reach out. Thanks, -Steve
What if.... is something that works for me. What if I turn this phrase around? What if I replace this word? What if instead of following a line of thought I started something different? Generally it works. And yes to the 90 minute observation. I am too distracted during the first 30 minutes.
How can you love a song if it doesn’t reach you, if you don’t even know it exists…I think people will pick a song as their favorite from whatever pack of songs presented to them, I think that’s the actual situation we live in nowadays
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@@htws It would be great if you could add some history to the mix. By that I don't mean harmonic analysis of fugues or something like that. As an example I'd really like to know how some of these classical composers were able to write thousands of songs, several long operas and a collection of large symphonies even though some of them just had a really short life span. I mean Mozart wrote around 240 hours of music when he died at age 35. How did they approach a new piece? Did they have some weird habits to get into the flow? How did they prevent creative burn out? What inspired them? Things like that. This kind of information is severely missing on RUclips (and in classes for that matter) when talking about music from the past.
As a creative, I find it can be very much at odds with cultural elements of ‘ideas are only worth the potential outcome or the data behind them’ Ie. As a family therapist many of my creative teens are told it’s either ‘practice’ ‘lesson’ or ‘performance’. Just playing and exploring? Wasted time… Now we just gotta find clarity and a connection 🤔…ideas?!
Such an insightful video. In relation to emotions and communication, there seems to be one fundamental emotion that can create a strong channel for communication - Empathy. Empathy is the ability to sense other people's emotions, together with the ability to imagine what someone else might be thinking or feeling. So how do you reliably evoke empathy in a person hearing your song? Perhaps the same way you evoke empathy when you're telling a close friend something important. Lyrics about anger, resentment, bland contentment, mindless excitement etc don't generally seem to evoke much empathy - and they're also not very interesting because they don't illuminate any new aspect of the listener's life or what it's like to be human.
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@@htws Thanks - that's nice of you to say. After posting, it occurred to me that when a writer of a song, or a story, or a poem successfully evokes empathy, she or he has probably been authentic: meaning honest, vulnerable and transparent. I guess you wouldn't normally be very empathic with the emotions of a person who you feel is not being authentic.
Do you have any tips/comments on writing good 'dialogue' songs? Like where (the back and forth of) the conversation creates or reveals the context/premise of the song(/current events of the song)
Ive really been thinking about your analysis of cathartic songswriting vs communicating a moment of clarity or enlightenment that can be a shared experience. And it really got me thinking about charlie puth's music and why it's so widely popular being that I heavily relate to some of his situations that he writes of, while still never arriving at that "so what?" moment in his songs that you talk about. Thoughts?
I don't think I understand the "Moment of Clarity" advice. It seems to me that many songs describe the emotions the writer is feeling at the time, and do not include the moment of clarity that comes later. For instance, the song "Nothing Compares to You". Or is there some subtlety to this advice that I am missing?
Hey! Great question. Having clarity around an idea doesn't have to mean that the idea is a statement, or a realisation - often clarity can be the question that most needs to be asked, which can often be a song about doubt or uncertainty. The idea of 'clarity' is so much more about crystallizing what THIS song is, and what it isn't. Think of clarity more like having a singular point that the entire song is targeting, even if that point is a question, or an image/metaphor that could mean lots of things. Songs that come to mind that have essence are "Why Georgia" by John Mayer and "The River" by Bruce Springsteen. The songs aren't about having figured anything out - but still have a singular emotion or idea or image that everything comes back to.
Hi, I'm a fifty six year old song writer, I have been playing guitar and writing songs all my adult life and have now got to a point where I feel like i have lost my ability even though I have many good songs compleated over the years and bands with me and without me playing my material. Any ideas for relighting my spark? Thanks for all the good advice.
Hey Pol, great question about reigniting the spark. The only thing I've found that works is 'beginning' again... that is, breaking the pattern somehow, either by trying a new open tuning, learning a new fingerpicking style, etc. The other thing I do once a year is have my own listening party where I listen to music that isn't really my thing... always yields surprising results and challenges a few assumptions I've made about certain genres. Hope that helps
With the 90 minute quote, I think the danger with musicians is that it is too easy to fall n to automatic mode, whether it’s noodling scales or gravitating to the same chord progressions. I broadly agree with Cleese but I think you have to find a way of stretching yourself and make yourself uncomfortable or unsettled musically. Similar to free writing with lyrics etc. Just my experience... thanks for the video, really thought provoking.
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Here’s a question for you - how far do you take a song before you write it off as a failure? Make a complete demo with a full arrangement? Finished mix?
Such a great question Dave. For me (Ben here) I try and finish the song and assess it as a complete form by doing a little voice memo recording - then I listen back and make the decision to either carry on (full production) or leave it alone
@@htws yeah that’s how I have been operating. Trying to keep my voice memos as organised as possible, letting each one digest for a short while then deciding which ones to flesh out. I think my problem before was that I was rushing to the demo stage and getting caught up in production too early on in the process. Then you end up with a well produced song that might not be that well written. Follow up - do you still find that there are tracks that don’t make it once you are in the production stage?
Wow… good advice all the way around AND from some of the ‘heaviest hitters’ out there… thx…. And i will never write another ‘complaining’ song again! Lol
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I wrote , sang , produced and recorded 80 songs on eight albums in nine years. The world of songwriting is a magical, creative dream I did not want to wake up from . When I finished, I was elated and confident. Job well done , then 2020 arrived …the world is not the magical , happy place I thought it was . My music is everywhere, I receive nothing . What I really wanted was respect . Talent is a double edged sword . It’s shiny and you protect it , then the complexity of it turns on you and stabs your heart .
Thanks again, another great lesson. The 90 minute rule is something I definitely will adopt. I'm often defeated by impatience. So much good advice in one video!
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Less than 4 minutes in and I'm already crying... sometimes it's painful to accept the good stuff, like "I am enough"
Hello. Thanks for your channel. You have lots of good information. I started writing a couple years ago, as a "lockdown project". I have about 30 completed songs, and it's been quite a journey so far...it's a never-ending learning process.
I often fall in the trap of I have to make a hit it has to be great. It’s representing me and I want to put out the best version because I want people to view me in a elite way. I’ve been practicing to view thing’s differently now. I ask myself why am I proud of this song regardless of others opinions? Did I improve on a specific skill? Did i give a worthy effort or where any parts a bit lazy? And finally am I still excited about this song when I go back to it in a week or so? I know I can’t control the what others think so I just focus on the work. Thank you for this video.
Really enjoying this channel. I find perfectionism a double edged sword it can yield the most amazing results i.e. getting the most expressive vocal during recording or eeking out as much emotion in your writing while digging deep. That said, it can make the process so stressful and stifling and sometimes you lose the essence of what you mihht have found in the initial idea. So many of the greatest writers let it go and embrace the imperfection.
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@@htws sure thing I'll have a think :)
I always wrote when my feelings were overloaded about something, I'm a very emotional person, and my writings are rarely cheerful. But it is therapeutic and now because of you guys- can put it in song form which I always envisioned
Great tips. Some of these are now familiar to me, thanks to watching many other videos on this channel, but always helpful to hear again. The Joni Mitchell quote about complaining really hit home. I'll try hard to remember that one. Very helpful. Thank you!!
This channel is actually great. Found a lot of super useful stuff here.
Will be glad to watch this channel grow!
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27:25 that's how " Man in the mirror" was written. there's a famous songwriting story of this song . What a story.❤
I have never heard anybody talk about how long it takes to push past mental, emotional, and or spiritual blocks. One thing that Pharrell said that helps me is when he said he is just a receiver an antennae getting downloads. Sometimes the downloads are a open flow of creativity other times it seems to drip like a broken faucet. I found it helps to know I can not force that flow only make myself available to receive it. Sometimes that takes an hour sometimes 5.
One of my favourite first lines is from Whiskey and You by Chris Stapleton - "There's a bottle on the dresser by your ring ..." It immediately tells you what the whole song is going to be about and it's really visual.
This channel is banging ... and quietly addictive
Thanks Andy, really appreciate the support!
You both are just so amazing!!! This channel is just above and beyond. Please keep up the good work.
Starting a song from a title, which will very often be the chorus, is a solid way to write pop music. I have found that when you start from a good opening line you'll get a different type of song. Not necessarily better, just a different kind of song.
This was a great video. And in no instance did this ever feel too long or drawn out.
Thanks Nick! Much appreciated.
Thank you so much this was an amazing video. It halped me so much. Iv been NOT doing what i wanted to do becous of ME standing in my own way. Now Malbec im too old but i want let that stop me from doing what i love, witsh is writing Songs and making music. So Thank you!
Great pieces of advice. Thank you! ❤
I think that catharsis is for the listener more than for the writer and our job is to serve the listener.
I used that line “you only have time get your feet wet” simple-brilliance
God this is great stuff. I read once that Lennon and McCartney would sit down a write a song together in no more than three hours. And they never failed to produce a song. Training yourself to expect this and work like this can be very useful. I also finish a song most times I sit down. And if not, I throw it all out. I never keep notes and come back to it. My thinking is that if it's strong it will come back to me in different form. So oddly, rather than be a note taker, I actively try to forget my song ideas.
Love this method - letting the natural process of memory and impact take effect is something I do as well. Let us know if there are any other topics you’d like us to explore in a video. Thanks
@@htws I guess the hard stuff is always getting to the emotional heart of the matter, better word choices, stronger images, and avoiding easy/overused rhymes. Would love to hear anything you have on that. Also form. As a person who trained myself on The Beatles I feel I`m too locked into the bridge. What are some other ways to get to the end of a song, yet still stay poppy ?
I really appreciate these videos 🙏 I am an ex-student of you both, and it's so nice to hear these lessons and ideas once again, to further solidify the ideas. Without you guys I wouldn't have ever been able to write a single song, or go on to write many more!
Thanks T, so great to hear from you! Always a thrill reconnecting with former students. Delighted to hear you've been writing lots ... please let us know if there's any topics you'd like us to make content on, either from material we've covered in class or perhaps questions you have about developing your song craft further. Cheers!
Much love thank y'all 😊
The last bit reminds me of the 'scrambled eggs' song that became one of the greatest songs of all time..
That thing absolut the ocean was so beautiful. My thought was that the ocean dosen care if om good or bad it just is and the best way to be is to be authentic and just jump in!
I also feel that, with the first quote of Craig Morrison, it also could mean that you shouldn't put pride in (your) music. I don't know if I'm using the right words for this to make it make sense, but what I'm saying is: you can be proud of something, just don't think yourself higher than anyone else just cause you think your songs are better (you're absolutely allowed to think that cause it's subjective after all, but it's not about that. It's about how you can compare yourself to others based on that.) There's a million artists out there with all different styles and genre that absolutely love what they are making. While their songs/skills/whatevers might not sound good to you, it might sound good to them and other people.
I thought of this cause I'm pretty active in my music study's and therefore know a lot of musicians or music students that think they're better than others based on their music skill, preference or dedication. This is something that has bothered me for a while cause we always compare ourselves with other musicians to see who's better and who's not. Reason for this might be 'cause the music industry is extremely competitive and, to get somewhere, you might think you need that "only the best of the best" attitude.
But the ocean is big, it's a lot of things, it's not something you can control and it's mass is bigger than any of us. Deeming yourself higher 'cause of the ocean is absolutely ridiculous. I guess you could say it also goes with Keppie's meaning that there's a lot and you can never achieve all of that skill, so ranking your self worth based on something like music or the ocean is just meaningless.
Of course, go on and write songs you absolutely fall in love with the moment you play them or listen to your favourites or produce them to be able to release them to the public, just don't think you're better than your neighbour who makes punk-classical-shoegaze-metal-pop music, whom absolutely loves it, just cause y'all don't have the same genre/skillset/idea/whatever.
That's pretty much what I thought at first when hearing the quote😎
Thanks again guys. 🙏❤️😎
Our pleasure!
Once again. What a brilliant insight you both have towards music and the aesthetic values of song writing. What a basic question. What is it about what this is that people love?
Lots of really important ideas in this. Thanks for putting them altogether.
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wow , this channel should and will have more eyeballs .
I have been realizing one of your points, profoundly, when working/writing on guitar. I, apparently, need to be absolutely mortified, my fingers need to be stinging, burning, before I can come up with anything good, or innovative, or interesting on the guitar. For me, that means that four, six, whatever, hours need to pass before I get into the zone. The problem is, that this is my physical edge of what my fingers can play, it leaves me with 30, maybe 45 minutes to write, practice, and learn the new part. So, I can only move the boulder so far each day.
I wish I could get into the zone faster. I wish I could just jump into the zone and spend 4 hours moving the boulder... that boulder might actually get to places!
Re the wait 90 minutes - I read somewhere that John Lennon said about writing songs "do not leave the piano" i.e. finish what you started. Sort of equivalent to don't stop at 30 minutes.
Awesome video! So many valuable tips. Thank you!
Totally right. Complaining in song without a point, generalization or lesson learned, or moment of clarity that others can relate to is just painful and can come off as selfish or wallowing in self pity or anger.
Love this channel and great video: thankyou. Just discovered all your Pat Pattinson content too!
Just discovered you on YT. This was a fantastic video for me. I am your new best follower. Thank you!
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Great video. Quality and useful perspectives.
Complaining/catharsis vs communication -- I've been looking for a way to anchor to this idea, thank you!!
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Hello, thanks a lot for posting theses advices, it helps a lot as I'm a student working on songwriting
Awesome advice. I really enjoyed it.
Thanks you very much...✌️
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Wait 90 minutes. 🤯👍🏽👏🏽 Thanks for that!
Amazing advice! Love this channel.
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Unreal advice! Thanks heaps
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Every moment of this video is value, thanks guys
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Amazing video. So helpful and full of interesting, inspiring topics. Thank you
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This is gold.
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Great video, thank you for the advice!!
Glad it was helpful!
beautiful
So helpful! Thanks.
One of your best!
his advice was good.
Wonderful advice
The only thing I care about in my song writing is if I want to get my guitar out and sing that song again, if yes then mission accomplished
I think that Pomodoro is better for shifts working as a freelancer for other projects. But when working on your own creation 25 minutes is not enough to get in the zone
Fantastic concepts
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I like what Hank Williams said about song writing
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This is insanely useful! where you've been all my life?
that Joni mitchell quote flipped my lid
Also that Pat Pattison book, git it. If you want to improve you writing git it.
I'm in the band Battle Flag with David Mondragon (from E-Town Concrete and 40 Below Summer) and we're independently releasing a bunch of new music. We currently have 2 singles up on all streaming platforms (attached) and we will be releasing 8 more in the 1st half of the year.
The band is:
David Mondragon - Vocals/Guitars
Steve Mondragon - Guitars
Jake Carrion - Vocals/Bass
Steve O'Neil- Drums
We've been writing, rehearsing, and recording out of Rockstar Studios in Middlesex, NJ over the last few years and we played our 1st group of shows at the end of 2022.
If you need any additional info so that we may be considered a spot on the show, please do not hesitate to reach out.
Thanks,
-Steve
What if.... is something that works for me. What if I turn this phrase around? What if I replace this word? What if instead of following a line of thought I started something different? Generally it works. And yes to the 90 minute observation. I am too distracted during the first 30 minutes.
You guys are awesome
Thanks Mike! Glad you're enjoying the content
How can you love a song if it doesn’t reach you, if you don’t even know it exists…I think people will pick a song as their favorite from whatever pack of songs presented to them, I think that’s the actual situation we live in nowadays
Good to journal to reach the moment of clarity and then finish the emotional aspect of the song?
I think this is one of the most valuable videos about song writing on RUclips. A great collection of advices. Thank you very much.
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@@htws It would be great if you could add some history to the mix. By that I don't mean harmonic analysis of fugues or something like that. As an example I'd really like to know how some of these classical composers were able to write thousands of songs, several long operas and a collection of large symphonies even though some of them just had a really short life span. I mean Mozart wrote around 240 hours of music when he died at age 35. How did they approach a new piece? Did they have some weird habits to get into the flow? How did they prevent creative burn out? What inspired them? Things like that. This kind of information is severely missing on RUclips (and in classes for that matter) when talking about music from the past.
As a creative, I find it can be very much at odds with cultural elements of ‘ideas are only worth the potential outcome or the data behind them’
Ie. As a family therapist many of my creative teens are told it’s either ‘practice’ ‘lesson’ or ‘performance’. Just playing and exploring? Wasted time…
Now we just gotta find clarity and a connection 🤔…ideas?!
I get to 30 minutes and start looking at 'how to write songs' videos.....
Such an insightful video. In relation to emotions and communication, there seems to be one fundamental emotion that can create a strong channel for communication - Empathy. Empathy is the ability to sense other people's emotions, together with the ability to imagine what someone else might be thinking or feeling. So how do you reliably evoke empathy in a person hearing your song? Perhaps the same way you evoke empathy when you're telling a close friend something important. Lyrics about anger, resentment, bland contentment, mindless excitement etc don't generally seem to evoke much empathy - and they're also not very interesting because they don't illuminate any new aspect of the listener's life or what it's like to be human.
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@@htws Thanks - that's nice of you to say.
After posting, it occurred to me that when a writer of a song, or a story, or a poem successfully evokes empathy, she or he has probably been authentic: meaning honest, vulnerable and transparent. I guess you wouldn't normally be very empathic with the emotions of a person who you feel is not being authentic.
Do you have any tips/comments on writing good 'dialogue' songs? Like where (the back and forth of) the conversation creates or reveals the context/premise of the song(/current events of the song)
you are not wrong with the pomodoro technique, that works well for non-creative tasks but otherwise you need a lot of concentration
Ive really been thinking about your analysis of cathartic songswriting vs communicating a moment of clarity or enlightenment that can be a shared experience. And it really got me thinking about charlie puth's music and why it's so widely popular being that I heavily relate to some of his situations that he writes of, while still never arriving at that "so what?" moment in his songs that you talk about. Thoughts?
I don't think I understand the "Moment of Clarity" advice. It seems to me that many songs describe the emotions the writer is feeling at the time, and do not include the moment of clarity that comes later. For instance, the song "Nothing Compares to You". Or is there some subtlety to this advice that I am missing?
Hey! Great question. Having clarity around an idea doesn't have to mean that the idea is a statement, or a realisation - often clarity can be the question that most needs to be asked, which can often be a song about doubt or uncertainty. The idea of 'clarity' is so much more about crystallizing what THIS song is, and what it isn't. Think of clarity more like having a singular point that the entire song is targeting, even if that point is a question, or an image/metaphor that could mean lots of things. Songs that come to mind that have essence are "Why Georgia" by John Mayer and "The River" by Bruce Springsteen. The songs aren't about having figured anything out - but still have a singular emotion or idea or image that everything comes back to.
Hi, I'm a fifty six year old song writer, I have been playing guitar and writing songs all my adult life and have now got to a point where I feel like i have lost my ability even though I have many good songs compleated over the years and bands with me and without me playing my material. Any ideas for relighting my spark? Thanks for all the good advice.
Hey Pol, great question about reigniting the spark. The only thing I've found that works is 'beginning' again... that is, breaking the pattern somehow, either by trying a new open tuning, learning a new fingerpicking style, etc. The other thing I do once a year is have my own listening party where I listen to music that isn't really my thing... always yields surprising results and challenges a few assumptions I've made about certain genres. Hope that helps
or mucking about on a unfamiliar instrument
With the 90 minute quote, I think the danger with musicians is that it is too easy to fall n to automatic mode, whether it’s noodling scales or gravitating to the same chord progressions. I broadly agree with Cleese but I think you have to find a way of stretching yourself and make yourself uncomfortable or unsettled musically. Similar to free writing with lyrics etc. Just my experience... thanks for the video, really thought provoking.
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Dam it I just realized that I have written a lot of complaints. 2105
Here’s a question for you - how far do you take a song before you write it off as a failure?
Make a complete demo with a full arrangement?
Finished mix?
Such a great question Dave. For me (Ben here) I try and finish the song and assess it as a complete form by doing a little voice memo recording - then I listen back and make the decision to either carry on (full production) or leave it alone
@@htws yeah that’s how I have been operating. Trying to keep my voice memos as organised as possible, letting each one digest for a short while then deciding which ones to flesh out.
I think my problem before was that I was rushing to the demo stage and getting caught up in production too early on in the process. Then you end up with a well produced song that might not be that well written.
Follow up - do you still find that there are tracks that don’t make it once you are in the production stage?
I tried to listen to WAP and Friday without judgement. Instructions clear but mission failed.
Wow… good advice all the way around AND from some of the ‘heaviest hitters’ out there… thx…. And i will never write another ‘complaining’ song again! Lol
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