Why New Super Mario Bros. Wii Is The BEST 2D Mario- The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Game- FT. Starcronix
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- Опубликовано: 21 ноя 2024
- The Super Mario series has some of the most beloved games of all time. The Super Mario Bros. series esentially set the standard for gaming as we know it. The New Super Mario Bros. series was designed to reinvent the 2D games for a new generation. But the series has become known for being stale and repetative. New Super Mario Bros. Wii is often seen as the start of the generic Super Mario era. In this retrospective, I am joined by Starcronix to cover the most misunderstood Mario game.
WARNING: Unpopular Opinion Oncoming! The mini mushroom was actually really cool! You can run across water and even walls in the later games! It makes beach levels and levels with rising and lowering water so much more interesting! You even get a much floatier jump and skip the stage, but to balance it out, you die in one hit. You have to be strategic and skilled to use it right! It's so interesting. The fire flower almost never has any downsides, but you have to think a little more before you use a mini mushroom or not. It also presents a fun challenge against bosses, as seen in the DS game. The mini mushroom just offers a new way to play with Mario and I appreciate it for that!
I don’t see why people don’t agree with this. The mini mushroom is awesome! You just have to be good at Mario games to enjoy the power-up!
Based opinion alert
@@AwesomeBrock simple, it’s just used for gimmicks and secret paths that mostly leads for coins and secret exists, no levels are based on this power up...
@@AwesomeBrock Probably because you become a one hit ko and it's extremely difficult to hurt most of the enemies.
@Andres Reynoso Honestly, it would be cool if the power-up was in Mario Maker. I see a lot of potential with it! Furthermore, I have seen some levels that utilize the power up. I don’t think there were any in Wii, but there were some sorta in the DS game and I know that there’s at least one in the 3DS game!
My favorite thing about the Penguin Suit is the small touch where if you leave it idle it waddles slowly like an actual penguin.
To me, NSMBU felt like someone on the dev team wanted to make it more original, but the executives couldn't let go of Wii. For example, all the worlds being food-themed in some way, the beach levels looking more like some kind of mountain watering hole than beaches, the random painted ghost world in the middle of Soda Jungle, and the final world being Peach's Castle instead of just the ordinary volcano. But again, the executives wanted to capitalize on Wii as much as possible, so it watered down all these fresh ideas to make them barely noticeable.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious playing through U that it heavily reuses a lot of the ideas, secrets, and level tropes of NSMBWii. NSMBU has pretty good level design, but it's not radically new or anything like that. If you've played the previous game, you'll find things quite familiar and know how to find stuff. NSMBWii introduced mechanics like the hidden wall, star world, and 4-player Mario. NSMBU didn't introduce any game mechanic of this calibre.
U is so unfun and I can't explain why. Just everything about it is inferior to Wii
@@trymetrix857 The one thing U did really well was an improved visual aesthetic compared to the past 3 games. My biggest complaint with Wii was that it failed to introduce new world themes or a dramatically different art style. In all fairness, U did succeed in making an interconnected overworld, though it doesn't compare to World's, and is more like a patchwork quilt of the worlds from Wii, instead of a realistic place.
@@calebdonaldson8770 I actually have to disagree with this. I find U less visually appealing as I find the settings are just somehow more bland and feel less Mario and more Generic Platformery in my opinion. Plus- I prefered there not being an interconnected world map as it felt like you were traveling miles between making it more realistic then sand and snow right ontop of eachother. Additional thing is the world maps in Wii were super unique compared to U (especially mountain).
The innocent devs and the evil executives. I’m a bit tired of that narrative tbh
It depresses me that I can't play with Yoshi for most of the game. I never felt this way until I played Super Mario World, then going back to Wii just made me sad to leave Yoshi behind. They didn't even fix this in New Super Mario Bros U!! Well, at least we had Baby Yoshis, which were pretty epic. I digress.
It's one thing to make the mistake in Wii. But making it in NSMBU? What the...?
Oh that’s sad but not all levels in the game I made for Yoshi I wish there was a possible way to beat the game at 10
@@Demeech , this game, NSMB Wii was my second ever video game. I still have my original copy.
With the power of modding you can do anything
I understand why they did this, it’s still not a great choice.
This may not be my favorite 2D Mario game, that honor goes to Mario World. But this was my first Mario game, and the first game I played period, and I still love it today.
There's not a drastic gap in quality between 2D Mario games. Super Mario Bros. 2, Super Mario Bros. 3, Super Mario World, Super Mario Land 2, New Super Mario Bros, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, and Super Mario Maker 2 remain my favorites.
Agreed, mario world was my first along with this one when it first came out
To be fair, Mario World is very hard to top! I'd say this game comes the closest, though.
@@jaretco6423 Newer Super Mario Bros Wii is easily my favorite 2D Mario by far!
Weird cuz this was also my first Mario game I ever played starting when I was 6
YESSIR!! I've been waiting for this one for quite a while. NSMBW is easily my favorite NSMB game, and the one I feel lived up to the “new” title the most. It had a lot of new and returning concepts and all of them worked perfectly within the game.
WORD!
Dude if there was one game I would play in the new super Mario bros series it be the first 2 with this one first
NSMBW was really fresh and hype when it came out in 2009 and it really felt "new". This game introduced me to mario alongside mario kart wii, mario galaxy, and super mario world for the GBA. The DS version that came out years before was also really awesome with all the mini games and whatnot, and the wii version was different enough and still tried things nintendo hadn't done yet instead of just a half assed port. Nintendo was really pushing out quality games at the time with Mario 64 ds as well and some of the other stuff from that era. As a last side note, I really liked the surprise twist during the bowser fight in this game
One of the only sins this game has is that Peach was going to be playable but didn’t became so because they didn’t know how to animate her dress. They could have just gave her shorts from the sports games or pants smh
Im glad they kinda finally implemented that in Deluxe though
And Wonder.
Super Mario Bros Wonder < New Super Mario Bros Wii
Wonder was rushed out and feels unfinished. Also multiplayer is painful and the collectables are hard to track.
Honestly I love the Kamek boss battle in world 8’s fortress since Kamek boss fights in Mario platformers aren’t really a thing much. Heck I think this might’ve been the first ever one!
you're right, there are only 2 to this day (or 3 if you count the Magikoopa taking the form of tail Bowser in 3D Land's 5th world as Kamek)
I have such fond memories with this game. This was the only game that my whole family played together and we had such a blast. From my dad mocking yellow toad's live continue noise, to me and my brother throwing eachother off the levels, to mom bringing out ice cream sandwhiches for a quick break. It was some of the best moments of my childhood
I really do miss those times....
I can hear the Toad continue in my Dad's voice lol.
@@Demeech Oh same, it still plays in my mind till this day lol
Honestly I LOVED the Blue shell In New Super Mario Bros. But I just absolutely hated that it couldn’t be found normally in stages because it sucks whenever you get hit a single time and lose it and then can’t get it again easily….,
Another great thing about NSMBWii (aside from the awesome enemy rings), is that with the addition of the hidden wall technique, star coins could now be hidden far better, and their reward of accessing World 9 is far better than the 'shops' in NSMB. There are many aspects of this game that were well thought out by the game's creators.
I'm surprised NSMBU had such a downgrade when it came to Star Coin placement
@@Demeech Same! The game felt too easy for my taste, and at times rushed.
@@calebdonaldson8770 Peach's castle definitely feels rushed. Only 6 levels, while Wii and 2 both have 10 levels each in their final worlds. Heck, DS has *12*, double that of U's!
@@Trianull Exactly. The game's ending was my biggest disappointment with NSMBU. World 8 was simply too short and too easy, and World 9 was exactly the same as NSMBWii's, nothing new. I feel like NSMBU peaked around World 5, whereas NSMBWii seemed to get better and better with each world. The difficulty progression in NSMBWii is near perfect.
I have to admit: I like the DS one better (as one of my favourite games period), but that's probably a big biased because it's my first video game and one I played for most of the day for a very long time
I would say both entries are great!
@@themc3140 why what's wrong with looking like plastic?
@@themc3140 how is it even dull?
@@themc3140 btw. What is the most lively Mario Game you have seen?
@@themc3140 and cocidentally Sticker Star looks lifeless in compariso!
Fun fact: The Penguin suit was almost the Chicken suit in development... it was supposed to be a better version of the Fire Flower a la how the Penguin Suit is a suped up Ice Flower. Maybe the chicken suit allowed you to peck and float? I wonder if Chick-Fil-A would have done tie-in toys if that happened... anyways yeah
Would’ve been better since that wouldn’t have instantly made the new ice flower obsolete.
I remember seeing some concept art of it holding some eggs, so I like to imagine the power up's main gimmick would be the egg mechanics from Yoshi's Island.
Custom Mario Power-Ups! INTENSIFIES!!!!
OHHHH SOMETIMES. I GET A GOOD FEELING…YEAH!!
I think it’s so funny how Bowser Junior consistently has some of the best fights in the entire Mario franchise (it honestly makes me mad he wasn’t in odyssey). Except for in new super Mario Bros DS but we don’t talk about that😅
Yes! The bowser jr fights in galaxy 2 were better than the final fight with bowser (which was a bit underwhelming).
Agreed! Megahammer from Galaxy 2 is (what I consider) the best Mario boss ever.
@@Bob-ombProductionsagreed
The NOSTALGIA! This was the first video game I ever played. I remember playing 2-player with my sister. We would always try to throw each other off the levels. Those were good times! Easily my favorite 2D Mario!
This was my first mario game
This was also my first video game ever and I also played it with my sister a ton lmao.
Even beyond nostalgia, it's phenomenal!
YES!!! Thank you for defending the Blue Shell from the first game, it was a very cool power-up! Which makes it sadder that it wasn't included in subsequent games...
12:02 Nobody talks about this skit and it’s hilarious and I love it. It’s just so freaking funny I can’t
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this
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It's finally here!! I've been looking forward to this for a while now. New Super Mario Bros. Wii may not be my favorite 2D Mario game or New Super Mario Bros game, those honors go to Land 2 and DS/Luigi U respectively, but whenever I booted up the game I always had a blast. It introduced 2 of my top 5 power ups, the Propellor Mushroom and Penguin Suit, as well as having some great and unique level ideas, like keeping enemies off your raft, skullcoasters, water bubbles in the sky, just to name a few. Whenever I had friends over we always would play this game together, whether it be helping each other or throwing people into bottomless pits, those were and still are some of my favorite gaming experiences today. Even though I can't currently play it because it got scratched with my thousands of hours put into it, this game will always have a special place in my heart.
Man, this game is a big part of my childhood. I remember playing it when I was 4. Those were some good times...
I share the same age as you do (when we played it). It was my very first console game
I feel so old.
@@Demeech lol
NSMBWii has a vibe i dont know how to explain. But the game just feels relaxing. My favorite world will always be World 7 because of being one of the most chaotic world but also for having my favorite world map song.
This video is great. As someone who mods NSMBW, I can confidently say that it is the best "New" game in the series
This game offered me and my sister close to a hundred hours of fun in our childhood. We would also play with my aunt who was home sick with cancer. This game holds a special place in my heart. Plus, it's got beautiful graphics lol
I think this is the best of the NSMB series. I actually really love that series. Brings back a lot of memories and I played through them multiple times. This one I think is the best 2D Mario game since Super Mario World.
Bro the game came out over a decade ago, spoiler rules no longer apply. Best Bowser fight I've played out of all 2D Mario games. Bowser takes up the entire left side of the screen and chases you while breaking platforms and walls required for exit. Execution is just perfect. Your welcome.
I agree, was definitely the best final boss in a 2D Mario game
None of the nsmb games will ever live up to the sheer goofiness and imagination in Super Mario Land 2. Sure its not the longest or the most modern, but it makes up for it sheerly through awesome level concepts, gimmicks, boss fights, and a damn good final level
Yeah and Wario Land was its sequel, proving that Wario is superior.
Who needs a stinky Direct when we got a cool Demeech video!
6:13 i couldn’t agree more, that power up is also my favorite, the design looks so amazing
New Super Mario Bros Wii was my first console Mario title. I still remember booting up my Wii for the first time and playing the newest entry in the Super Mario franchise. My brother and I would often try to sabotage the other in Co-op grabbing and throwing each other in lava, stealing our power ups, but it was all in good fun. I would always take my Wii with me when visiting family, friends or at partys just to play the multiplayer, 4 player Co-op was a ton of fun despite how chaotic it can be. The Koopaling boss fights were incredibly fun with Iggy's being my favorite. While the Propeller mushroom is not the best power up in the franchise in terms of moveset I still see it as one of my favorites. This game was a big part of my childhood and It's my favorite 2D Mario game, and I still have it with me after so long.
A really good video! Another point NSMBW gets is the mods, which is part of the reason why I like NSMBW so much.
so you like the engine, not the game lol
@@julienlevesque5366 lol I still do like the game
'Honey!' 'What?' 'Where's my penguin suit?' 'Whaaat?' 'WHERE...IS MY PENGUIN...SUIT!?'
when they say 2d mario needs to evolve
i agree, but im worried about what they actually mean by that
cause i wouldnt want the game's entire structure to be changed
id just want them to be way more creative with the new mechanics and aestetics
People who say this is the start of mario's downfall really didn't think their statement through. Something that was original doesn't suddenly become unoriginal because later games cloned its ideas. Thats the whole point. The later games are unoriginal because they reused everything from the wii game.
Well gonna be honsent this was a great collab and I hope to see more from it becuase is really satisfying to see people sharing opinion at the same vid
So Weird (But Good) Hearing Demeech Being Happy
As someone who grew up with NSMBU, I never really understood this game's hype, as I just thought it was basically the same thing as the other NSMB games.
But I played it anyway. And, MAN, was I missing out! Ever since I beat NSMBW, I never found any reason to go back to NSMBU unless I just kinda felt like taking a trip down memory lane. The pacing in Wii is much better and I actually struggled in some levels.
(Seriously, I will never forget 7-Tower)
I still feel the game is a bit on the easy side, but it's definitely the hardest out of all the NSMB games (Minus Luigi U, the only NSMB game I haven't beaten yet) And I had a lot of fun playing both the story mode, and coin battle with my friend.
I still like NSMBU, but I found myself having much more fun with NSMBW. Great video!
New Super Mario Wii. is one of my absolute favorite game of all time. Me and my siblings used play this game a lot (despite trying to kill each other) and it introduced me to the Mario series.
Nsmbw was also my introduction to the Mario series. Have a lot of good memories of playing it in like 1st to 3rd grade, along with the galaxy games, Mario kart ds and 64 ds. Man the early Wii / ds era is so nostalgic to me
This is one of my favorite games of all time. Its a childhood game of mine and I have been speedrunning it for 2 years now. Amazing video :D
New Super Mario Bros. Wii is an excellent template for Rom Hacking, as we've seen with Newer Super Mario Bros. Wii. and the base game alone adds a lot of things to offer.
Oh heya, I remember you. We had an argument because I was sending hate comments on Super Lucky's Tale videos, which I'll admit was wrong of me since other people still like the game... The first time was because the game resembled Twelve Tales: Conker 64 and I was upset with Microsoft and the second time was I think because I was upset that the company went out of their way to copyright strike my meme uploads on their soundtrack when they owned none of the audio, they literally only copyright striked it because of the picture on the video and the title... It's a small world, lol...
Anyway, I do agree that Newer Super Mario Bros Wii shows the game is an excellent template for rom hacking, even if I'm not the biggest fan of NSMB Wii myself, I think the Newer Super Mario Bros Wii rom hack is a pretty cool rom hack. I haven't gotten the chance to hack New Super Mario Bros. Wii, but if I can change the playable characters from Mario, Luigi, Buckenbarry and Ala Gold into four of the Koopalings (Larry over Mario of course, unless they have slightly different weights, then Larry would have to be over one of the Toads for it to make sense, but I don't think they have any slight differences in weight, so I'm probably good with Larry over Mario) then I can probably see for myself what kind of potential rom hacking NSMB Wii provides. To see if I can make something as different with it as I can with Super Mario 64 DS... Not sure that's possible actually to be honest, lol, but then again, maybe it is possible, I don't know for sure, lol...
@@larrykoopa64dshacker64 Oh hey, good to see you again. I've been making my life for me since we last met.
@@wantedasylum1091 Good to see you again as well. I'd say that for me, if I remember correctly, the discussion was in 2017 or 2018? I've been honing my skills on rom hacking SM64DS and I went from being really bad at it to making a fan game so weird and different out of it, hahah! (I even have a plethora of fully voice acted cutscenes working in SM64DS, granted the original had two, but my hack has a lot more, since my hack is replicating the style and presentation of Conker's Bad Fur Day by telling a story through it's ingame cutscenes, lol) Still been working on the same rom hack though, my first rom hack doesn't even look like a first anymore, of course that's because I'm a perfectionist and had to make sure it's perfect, as in, make sure it's close enough to being exactly what I had in mind, lmao!
I started replaying NSMBW last Friday to celebrate the release of Mario wonder (which i didn't have at the time). Since then i bought Mario wonder and im not joking - i think NSMBW is a better game. I love it.
NSMB Wii is far superior. Has the amazing tricky style of level design, charm and exploration that Mario 3 had to offer. Mario Wonder is just either visual gimmicks or downgraded Rayman effects gameplay.I love Wonder a lot but is still nowhere near good as NSMB Wii, Mario 3 and Super Mario World.
My favorite New Super Mario Bros game is ironic since is the one without Mario, I just love how I can remember every level and how challenging it is in New Super Luigi U.
My first Mario game when i was 5 years old :) My Auntie Nina gave this to me right before she died of cancer :( I'll use this game to remember her by! Rest In Peace Nina I love U :)
My favourites are ”Super Mario Bros. 3”, ”Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins”, and finally ”New Super Luigi U”. Picking a first spot almost feels impossible, since all 3 did their own, original thing.
This game is a true gem, and easily a top game for the Wii, and Mario game in general.
Respect 100
I honestly love this game, and I'm glad I'm not alone. Nice.
12:58 That mole is asserting dominance over us all.
Good heavens!
I prefer nsmb U to wii. While i still think it doesnt do enough to stand out i feel like there was an attempt with changing up the plot and slughtly changing the level themes.
U also fixes a lot of the issues i had with wii. It makes the bosses more varried and difficult and has better difficulty balancing.
So I never personally liked this game and never understood the love it gets compared to the other NSMB games. I always assumed it was just nostalgia for the Wii.
My main problems with NSMBW are the emptier levels due to multi-player, the visuals looking really weird (some of the tilesets like the sandy beach tileset just don't look good), the lack of content compared to the other games, and having to play with the Wiimote (which is the worst Nintendo controller imo). It also just feels off. I constantly mess up jumps when they would've been really easy to do in any other 2D Mario. I rarely go back to it since I don't really have fun playing it
NSMBU just does everything better, but I understand that when that game came out everyone was tired of the NSMB games and that it barely added anything new
I agree, nostalgia definitely plays a huge role here.
Your review made me want to revisit this game, especially since it's nearly the 10th anniversary of my brother getting it on his birthday
NSMBWii is the best out the New Series!!! I’m glad you were Delighted on this game
Was just rewatching this and realized I forgot to comment about my favorite 2d Mario game lmao. So yeah, Super Mario Bros 3 is by far the pinnacle of 2d Mario in my opinion, and Super Mario World is on par with it. Though New Super Mario Bros DS and Wii are amazing, for me nothing will ever beat 3 and World, and also Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins is a brutally underrated gem, it's my 3rd favorite 2d Mario game.
You should do Newer Super Mario Bros. Wii! It’s amazing!
1:56: Damn, I feel old. I graduated high school in 2009...
Very, very, VERYveryveryveryveryvery *VERY* hot topic: I think OG New Super Mario Bros. kinda started this generic trend at a few points, Same Eight World Themes, same “Save the princess” plot throughout the series, same art style, etc.
That's not even a hot topic literally everyone feels the same too
Me: Chillin
Some random person: Mario is a kids game
Me: 12:45
If Nintendo ever made another NSMB game, at least they should add in themes unique to this. I'd like to see a food-themed level, a level with giant toys everywhere, or even a level set in a space station!
New Super Mario Bros Wii was my first Mario Game, so it's nice to see it get some love.
This game is my favorite game,
The Music is fantastic especially the Final boss phase 2 music.
if we could ever get a new new super mario bros game I hope it actually dose original things
Even though this game is my childhood, I have to respectfully disagree. This game is great, don’t get me wrong. But the earlier levels of the game are very open to apply four players, but it's boring as a result. They didn't really learn to hone their skills with 4 player levels until New Super Mario Bros. U.
The worlds are still your generic themes that don’t connect to each other like any typical Mario game. World's levels are different and connected in a way that you are immersed into feeling like you're actually on an island.
The item set is too OP, allowing you to hold up to 99 of each type of item. Heck, you’ll earn three mushrooms for each enemy gauntlet you beat. And they are so common that you can basically start with a mushroom on each level. Meanwhile, Super Mario World just had one item held at the top screen which would be stored and dropped if you're in danger. Because of Wii’s system, the game doesn’t actually get hard until World 9 while World has a better difficulty.
Yoshi, despite being on the front of the box, is very rare in this game, only appearing in one level of each world except 8 and 9. Sure, he gained the ability to flutter like in Yoshi's Island. That's nice, but other than that, he's heavily downgraded. He no longer gains unique abilities for each colored shell he eats (and blue and yellow koopas don’t appear), there are different colors but they don’t differ from one another in gameplay, and you can't take him outside the level you get him from. Pretty lame.
In World, you can access the secret worlds BEFORE beating Bowser if you so wish. In Wii, TOO BAD! Beat Bowser first!
World introduced all sorts of cool new enemies and variations of existing enemies. Wii brings very few of these enemies back (the ones that did, became series staples), and the new enemies are all just larger variations of existing ones.
Really, the only things Wii has over World is the multiplayer and a bigger soundtrack variation. I still really enjoy the game, but I wouldn't say it's the BEST 2D Mario.
I honestly agree. I think he is blinded by nostalgia. NSMBW has a LOT of flaws.
While I can partially agree with some of your points, I still disagree with some too.
The earlier levels may be boring at times, but the majority of games are like that and for a good reason. It will give time for players of all kinds to be able to get used to the controls, and the idea of how to play. Sure if you learn quickly, it may be boring, but this can help people who take time to fully understand the game and its mechanics.
Sure, the worlds are partially generic, that is why they added more to them to make them more unique. But all a connection in worlds does is a little attention to detail, it doesn't help me connect more to the game from my experience.
The item set is actually perfectly balanced, it is just a non-setting difficulty selector. Do you want the game to be challenging? Ignore all the power-ups given. Do you want it to be less hard? Use power-ups when you can. This gives room for pros to be pros while noobs aren't getting their butt kicked every minute. And with the large amount you can hold, it prevents you from going back and forth to grind power-ups if you want to do a certain power-up challenge. And even if choosing not to use a power-up still makes a game "too easy", I thankfully found out that while a challenge is fun, a good game does not require one to still be good.
Yes, Yoshi barely being in the game is a little misleading from how he seemed like a big deal on the cover. But it was something Nintendo did and improved on after NSMB Ds, where the mega mushroom was only in 4 levels, and the only way to take them to another level was through a toad house and having it in your inventory slot. I don't agree with their choices of semi-misleading covers, but they were moving away from that fairly quickly.
I don't see anything wrong with needing to beat a game before you unlock the secret world. In fact it may be an improvement. Because if you didn't find all the secrets in the level, you will need to go back to previous ones and truly explore them to find all the collectibles. Which will give players time to appreciate some things in levels they may have overlooked.
While new enemies in NSMB Wii are usually just bigger variants of others, they add to them to make them completely change the gameplay. Much like how the giant wiggler is now a giant moving bouncy platform that won't get angry from you bouncing on it, or the King Bills that cannot be killed no matter what and destroy anything in their path.
Some things in SMW are better than NSMB Wii, like the ability to take Yoshi into other levels. But I believe that Wii deserves more credit that it seems like you are giving it.
I respectfully disagree. Honestly, I feel like most of these aren't even flaws per se and moreso just "this game takes a different approach to X, and I like the other approach more, ergo flaw." e.g. SMW has a secret World while this game has a bonus world approach, flaw." The Secret World in SMW fit with the game's giant theme of secret exits, it was not in any way a prerequisite that a Mario game is lacking without. And even though I admittedly like SMW's approach more, I respect their decision to make him in single levels actually. I think Demeech said it best, it's not that they just being silly idiots making the random inexplicable decision to cut Yoshi to prank us, but it was just simple design decision to make Yoshi a level gimmick instead of a power up. And I can understand taking a new approach, you may say "well being different is bad if you just make things worse", but the more I think about it, I think this might've actually been the best choice. Yoshi, especially with the flutter jump has the potential to cheese levels, and the potential to take Yoshi out of levels worked better with SMW's more "freeform" style, I mean, the game has a level where you can go any time to get infinite free powerups, almost every level has a big sky, the cape feather in general, etc Just a general feeling that you could take a lot of things anywhere. And as for shells, that's a weird argument considering that NO game had shells before or after SMW. All the stuff involving shells in that kind of felt like that game's running gag, and fit with the game's "style"-Kamikaze Koopas alone are proof of that-so I don't even want that in the first place since can you even imagine Blue Shell Yoshi or hell Blue Yoshi in NSMBW's levels, never mind taking "this will break levels" to a whole new one, without just flat out redesigning the whole game to have SMW's level style? (starting to see the pattern here?); it's inclusion would just take away from SMW unless significantly changed. It feels like you didn't want a sequel to NSMBDS, but a sequel to SMW, if that makes sense Which is ironic considering that I always saw this game as taking a lot of it's elements from SMB3, while NSMBU took a lot of elements from SMW. There is a difference between something being a flaw, and something being different. But none of that's my main argument: Yoshi was one of SMW's gimmicks, he was on the box art of SMW (he technically still is here but I digress), he was created in the game's conceptual phase. They wouldn't want to make him essentially a power up in NSMBW because he would consume the game and distract from the things they otherwise wanted to focus on like the Propeller Mushroom. Yoshi already was the gimmick of a game; his inclusion would inherently distract from this game's gimmicks unless they put less emphasis on him. Which is what they did. I can prove this too,what is one of NSMBU's gimmicks? The baby yoshis. You can take them out of levels as well and they are all over the games trailers and you clearly were intended to use them to a large extent. Keep in mind that most people nowadays flat out don't really use them in the first place, and they are still one of the main things the game is associated with outside of the opinions on it. And I feel like I'm even more confident in thinking this considering the only counterargument I've ever seen from others or myself on this is "people REALLY like Yoshi".
Furthermore, I disagree with your statement that the Power-Ups are too OP (which is ironic considering the Yoshi statements). The game being way too easy until World 9 is just a strange claim to me, you make it seem like there's massive difficulty spike when really the progression is smooth enough where if you're saying you can World 8 blindfolded, then World 9 should only be somewhat harder. But as for saying that the Item Collection breaks the game (which I don't get since the Item Collection thing was in SMB3), Mario has always been a game of easy to steamroll with even easier to lose, even speedrunners often lose their propeller suit (which I feel like eliminates any room for counterargument). And as someone who has played the game before, to play devil's advocate and say that you can say whatever you want on levels often giving you what you need at the beginning of the level, a point you didn't make, but let me tell you that if you're already struggling on a level, bringing in a power up isn't going to automatically going to beat the level for you. The powerups in actual practice are mostly too situational to be an automatic win for you, you'll still have to encounter its vices and not getting hit even once on a level you were already struggling on, and a lot of this game's annoying shit can't be solved with fire/ice. Also, though they're easier to get than in SMB3, power-ups except for the Mushroom are easy to run out of if you're spamming them, even if you use the mini-game trick like I did. And let me tell you Mushrooms aren't free wins either: they're Mushrooms, they're just free hit, there's a reason why the game gives you so many (Though I think the game does give too many). They're functionally a free band-aid if you're really struggling on a level. Keep in mind that this power up is merely the state you will be in when the level begins, not a not something you can just pop in the middle of the level. Speaking of, as for the Item Reserve complaint, this isn't Super Mario World. Granted NSMBDS, had one so you have a point here, but I think the SMB3 Item Menu, and the SMW Item Reserve are meant juxtapose each other, and including both in a game would actually be OP. Plus, the former works better for this game's multiplayer approach, despite the latter working better for the SM3DW's multiplayer approach, strangely enough.
It’s fun but very generic and dull
@@julienlevesque5366 Blinded by nostalgia? Gosh forbid anyone have an opinion.
New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the first game I got on a pre-order. I'd say that it was worth it; it is now my second favorite 2D Mario and 15th favorite game ever!
As you and Star pointed out, this game came out before Nintendo got a little too happy with modern 2D platformers. As such, seeing things like the Koopalings in 3D and four-player co-op was refreshing.
I love the aesthetic of the NSMB games, with Wii being the coolest example of it. Unfortunately, it's glaring to see that the general opinion has soured on New Soup's art style, but Wii was a good improvement from the already nice look used in DS. Plus, the Koopalings got in-game voice acting.
I played through this romp again a couple of weeks ago, and it just felt good. New Super Mario Bros. Wii is magical. If I have any critiques, it's that the Mega Mushroom is gone, I wish Yoshi was used more often, I wanted Luigi and the Toads playable in single player, and multiplayer (especially with four people) is chaotic.
Super Mario Bros. 3 is my favorite 2D Mario, but New Super Mario Bros. Wii is a nice, close second. Great job giving the game some justice in this review, Demeech.
To me, the world map for world 9 is a throwback to the special world is SMW
12:20 I love the use of the shows music.
I remember playing this game at my friend's house! I was gonna borrow it at some point from him, but it never happened for some reason.
This has always been my personal favorite of the new soup series I’ve been through to 3 copies 2 different tvs and a ton in videos on it
I wish Nintendo would make a new 2D Mario with high definition, hand drawn sprites akin to something like Monster Boy or Hollow Knight. Same with 2D Zelda, but it seems that more modern platformers are instead opting for a 2.5D art style and aesthetic.
Totally agree the game I grew up with and it's challenging yet fun
mini mushroom added difficulty which was great imo
I just got the game and can't wait to play! And now you releasing this video. Can't wait to watch it!
I guarantii that wii all agrii that this is a worthii entrii
Is a must have wii title I don't care becuase I swear if new super mario2/U weren't saw staled and unoriginal people will remeber this title with much reputation
This is my nsmb game I’m glad u praised it
Grew up watching Wii gameplays and physically playing U. I loved both tbh.
Thank you for this, the wii games will always uold a Special place in my heart so thank you for defending my favorite 2d platformer ever as well as my first. I wish I could subscribe to you twice to show as much support ad possible
Demeech, you should check out Hotshot racing. This game made me realize that will never get a racer game as good as this from Nintendo, I never had this much fun with a racing game in my entire life as this one gave me an experience I'll never forget
I say you changed your PFP again one thing for sure you always keep the charm of your avatar with each one of them
Not too sure about my favorite 2D Mario, I have always been more into the 3D ones. This game is very solid though. My only real gripes is that I do think it has the worst side modes of any of the New Super games, and I do find it a little weird for the ice and penguin Suit to be different powerups. Still a very fun game though, I remember playing this with family lots when I was younger.
What’s funny is that the day this game released was also the day I broke my arm.
Still had a lot of fun when I got it though.
I’m willing to agree that this game is the best New Super Mario Bros game but there is no reason given as to how it could possibly live up to the original 2D Mario games. In my opinion Super Mario Bros 3 is the best 2D Mario game, because it perfectly evolves the Mario formula just enough without being too alienating. The complete overhaul of the physics system and use of the world map makes the game so much more interesting than the first games, and the construction of the levels themselves makes the game infinitely replayable. Every single time I play Super Mario Bros 3 I find something new about the game, whether that be a secret room or a hidden power up every time it makes me excited to play the game again to find something else completely new. Pretty much all the New Super Mario’s construct their levels in a way that encourages you to find every secret in the first or second play through, meaning your interest in any individual level is pretty much done once you’ve gotten the Star Coins. It’s very style over substance in that regard. Sure, Wii has very interesting level gimmicks, but in the grand scheme of things they just don’t contribute too much because it’s cooler to look at all of these gimmicks than it is to play them. Stuff like travelling along cliff faces and navigating on teetering logs sound and look like fun, but then when you play them they’re just sort of a distraction, pretty much every level gimmick I can think of in this game slows you down in one way or another. That’s what most of the earlier Mario’s do better in my opinion, be short and sweet, none of the levels really overstay their welcome, you’re constantly bouncing between environments and ideas because they didn’t really restrict the levels themes as much as they do in the News.
I don’t think the New Super Mario Bros games could ever live up to the original Super Mario games, because the whole series just lacks this heart and substance that really makes a Mario game and every single New Soup really lacks its own identity. There’s nothing that compels me to play a New Super Mario Bros game over the old 2D Mario games, because even at their absolute best they’re so repetitive and same-y that even their most interesting level gimmick feels like another flash in the pan. So yeah, maybe New Super Mario Bros Wii is the best New Super Mario Bros game, but I can’t think of any reason why it could surpass games like World and 3.
I don't get what makes this the best Mario game taking all your points into account. According to the review, it does everything right that almost every other Mario game gets right. Has some unique bosses and features, although it's never really explained why or how these make an impact on the game that improves it beyond being call backs. I feel like if your going to explain why something is the best or even why it's good you have to elaborate, give more specific examples and compare it to its competitors or other entries in the series. Some parts of the review are well done but a lot of it is just spent listing things down. This is where I'm going to show by bias against the game but I really don't see the arguements for difficulty or variety. Pretty much every level of every world looks exactly the same, even world 3 which has cool overcasts doesn't change beyond tinting grey. And the game is really piss easy, there are constantly powerups showing up and even in the last few worlds challenges don't get mixed together that well or often. Some parts were cool, like the glaciers in world 3 and the propeller blocks.
It would've been cool to hear why you enjoy the level design a little more since I enjoyed that part despite disagreeing. Like, almost every Mario game changes its enemies or mechanics depending on the mechanic and Wii doesn't do anything remarkable or really brilliant to stick out in this regard. Maybe mention a few favorite stages or secrets you really enjoyed finding or playing through. Again, you kinda list off random examples before I'm exactly sold in the level design even pulling by bias behind.
I love hearing different perspectives on games and it's why I like reviews like this, but you could improve for future reviews. And, admittedly I did enjoy the review partially.
I really like the level design, especially world 6
Finally this amazing game is getting the recognition it deserves!!!
NSMBWii was actually my first 2D Mario Game. The title of first game played goes to MarioKart Wii.
Yeah, I’ve got to disagree here.
Mario Wii is mainly held up by strings and powerful thing called nostalgia. I also wouldn’t call it misunderstood, from what I’ve seen, it’s seems like one of the most overrated Mario games out there. It’s level design is overly basic and made mainly to fit multiplayer, with there being a lot of wasted space. Interesting concepts were introduced, but they were not used to their full potential. It’s backgrounds are pretty unappealing. The multiplayer is extremely chaotic. The Propellor Suit can be too OP at times, with it being able to just skip over portions of a level. But y’know what, all this can be forgiven because Mario Wii has the one thing we all love- forced motion controls! Plus, Mario Wii probably has the least amount of content out of the Story Mode from any NSMB game. NSMBDS has multiple minigames and the Mario vs. Luigi mode. NSMB2 has Coin Rush mode and DLC. NSMBU has Challenge Mode, Boost Rush, Coin Battle, and DLC. NSMBW only has Coin Battle and Free for All, with the Free for All mode not even being that new, with it simply being levels from the story mode with points tallied up individually. NSMBU, while yes mostly more of the same, improves on almost every front from NSMBW; story, graphics, level design, world map, extra modes, extra world map missions, controls, etc. And logically, I don’t know about NSMB2, but NSMBU, Luigi U, and most likely NSMBDS seem of higher quality than Wii.
Out of all the New Super Mario Bros. games, this is the one that I liked the most. And DS as well. But that's another topic for later. While it's nowhere near as amazing as the likes say Mario 3, World or even Land 2 due to them being more original & having unique ways of game design, I did somewhat have an heartwarming touch to the game that is simply fun. As thats what's most important. Having fun. It also things way more unique and different than the other New Super Mario Bros; despite being an counterpart to the DS original. Both DS & Wii are the ones that I would go back and play multiple times. As 2 & Wii U really overstated it's welcome and weren't as fun.
NSMBWii your first home console game? Oh my god, I feel old now and I am only 29!
It’s definitely at least one of the best, I dispose new super Mario bros now. But the original DS and Wii games in the series were legendary
Me and my ex used to play this, mario kart and nba jam on wii whenever we'd get drunk, Rayman Legends she liked that game too
My favorite thing to do in this game in multiplayer is to pick up towed cuz I'm always player one in Mario and then throw them into lava or throw them off the cliff or eat the other players with Yoshi and spit them out or carry them for the whole level
I can't wait I agree
I absolutely agree with you guys. Actually, it’s my favorite 2D Mario game.
New Super Mario Bros. Wii is super boring. Everytime I play it, I get bored halfway through a world. It is far from the best 2D Mario. New Super Mario Bros. Wii's music is also just really bland compared to it's predecessor. The presentation is lifeless as hell. And I can't forgive this game for the domino effect it's success had on the franchise for almost a decade. I have nostalgia for this game, but I'm not blinded by it. Maybe I'm just spoiled by vastly superior Mario-likes like SuperTux, Super Marisa World, and New Super Marisa Land and that's why I have higher expectations, but honestly, this is Nintendo's mascot. Why on Earth does his games look like this in comparison to Mario-likes, imitations of the series? This game is so overrated IMO.
This was the first New Mario I played but I don't really feel like returning to it.
I have so many fond memories of this game.
Mario Wonder just feels too fleshed out, I hate when people hate on the Koopalings in the NSMB series, but the bosses in Mario Wonder are the most rushed, and I cant even call them bosses, the worst bosses in any 2D Mario, the only thing it has going for it is Bowser Jr. and a stupid conveyor belt with a Bowser head. At least the final boss in Wonder is good enough, it feels like the final boss in DKC Returns but with Bowser being it instead. Mario Wonder is hard to enjoy when the levels arent challenging for the most part, I know the levels are mostly very fleshed out in Mario Wonder, but sometimes simple means better, and thats why I prefer NSMBWii. Id say NSMBWii is the hardest NSMB game in the series if we ignore NSLU, I get people may not be a fan of the level design in NSMBWii, but its just so fun to play with 4 players. I feel like the music in NSMBWii is much better than Mario Wonder's music, call me nostalgic blinded, but I just have more memories with NSMBWii, its just a much more memorable game, and I forget Mario Wonder exists. NSMBWii's soundtrack was so good that NSMB2 and NSMBU reused a lot of its soundtrack. The multiplayer in Mario Wonder is horrible, what made the multiplayer so fun in NSMBWii is the fact that you were able to kill each other, it just made the experience a fun chaos, and I have a lot of memories about it. Call me nostalgic blinded, and id like to hear you argue with me.
Only bad things about nsmbw is that if you exclude the final boss the bosses arent that good or not that challenging compared to the others nsmb games expect for nsmb2 and the level design feels bland if your not playing with 3 or 4 players and the controls. the last reason is how nostalgia bias this game is. The good things are the multiplayer the music the power ups the ability to play with a nunchuck and the final boss and the hint movies.
@@Milesishere484 I like the Ludwig and the last two Bowser Jr. Bosses tho, and the abilities such as the propeller mushroom, the ice flower, and the penguin suit were welcoming additions since the power ups in NSMBDS were so lame. I get why the level design is so bland, I think NSMBU does a better job of balancing the level design for both single and multiplayer, but I prefer the level design in NSMBWii since it felt more flushed out at the time.
@@iLoveBread260i respect your opinions.
@@Milesishere484 What about the Chain Chomp Iggy fight and the Bowser Jr. fight where you get a Remote-Controlled Clown Car? Those were cool!
@@hypanusamericanus9058 they are still easy unless your a kid the koopalings were done better in nsmbu tbh.
New Super Mario Bros Wii is one of the greatest video games of all time. It was something new, fresh, unique, inventive, stylish, cool, edgy, hip, and updated such due to it's gameplay, graphics, and levels as it was so fun and innovative. It was decent. To this day I still play it and I consider it a classic. It never gets old.😍💯😎👍
This game and the DS one are the only good New Super Mario Bros games imo
My first and best mario game!! I got it in 2013 for my 3rd birthday
I wouldn't say it's the best considering Newer Wii as an option (it is far better than Wii) but sure it is an amazing adventure to experience. And though subsequent games have their own cool mechanics, this still remains the most fun among the 4 games of the series.