DOES EVERTUNE KILL YOUR TONE?
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2023
- My big question was what an EVERTUNE System does to the tone of a guitar when it gets installed... this video should answer this to a degree...
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Great video. I love the Evertune system. My only complaint is it has made me much more sensitive to when my non-Evertune guitars are even the slightest bit off.
I think that’s a benefit.
@@joejohnson8966 True. To an extent it is. I wouldn't say it makes me dislike my other guitars, and I certainly wouldn't mod one of my custom telecasters with an Evertune, But there's always a bit of "man, I wish this would stay in tune as well as..." haha.
@@bdamotta Progress is good, my man. We are blessed as guitarists today with choice.
A guitar got sent back to Ormsby guitars to have one of those installed. When he did the rout for it, there was only about an 8th of an inch of wood left between the back cavity and the pickups, which he was able to break thru with a chisel by barely placing any weight on it. As it was one of their Guitars, he just made the guy a new body with a little more girth in that area and called it good, just something to note if you plan to do one.
awesome video!! i´m a huge fan of the evertune system and i own a couple of guitars with the evertune, but also on the other hand i would not want it on all of my guitars, the feel is definitely a bit different but not for bad / worse, at least for me.
once you got your head around how the system works and aiming for the sweetspot, alos bendings works like a charme and you can make vibratos and put expression in your playing just like on a non-evertune guitar
i really wish more manufacturer would offer evertune bridge as standard option for their guitars.
Evertune is life
Yea boi
Love it
Agreed
Naaaah bro, the bending issue is non negotiable for my playing. I bend! And I vibrato !! All over, I'm putting accents on every note - something!
Whatever you gain...the juice just ain't worth the squeeze 🤷♂️
Anyway. I need a trem - a Floyd if possible , or something high performance.
Trems and bends, I need my notes to be fluid
@@lueyteledeluxe7457 what issue? You can bend normally when it’s set up correctly. I have 7 of them and have zero issues.
I have a Solar Vee with an Evertune. It does take a minute to figure the 3 zones out but once that is done, it is rock solid in tunings
I love my evertunes. I sent my Gibson Explorer to be evertuned and must say my explorer still sounds like my Explorer. I play in a cover band and I love that through the night as temp drops (this last weekend 82F down to 60F by the end of the night) and it just stays in tune.
When you first get an Evertune you do need to follow the directions about getting to Zone 3 and backing down a 1/4 turn, its much more enjoyable if you like to be able to bend and you need to use the micro tuner on bridge to get it right. Mine does go a bit flat or sharp (the whole thing tho so still in tune) with the humidity (seasons). My ESP's with real Floyds stay 99% in tune and i prefer using them. For me the other thing is getting used to the Fishmans that are on my LTD as well but theres something to being able to pickup your guitar and its in perfect tune, some would say to perfect....
I have an 8-string with an Evertune. That's where I really appreciate it. Sound wise it doesn't feel like lacking anything, but Fishman Fluences are amazing.
I played a few guitars with evertunes but couldn't really gel with them. Still really a cool system. Excellent demo, as always.
Great Video! Love the Evertune too and would wish more luthiers would improve their knowledge with that. I've been looking for a long time to find Flo and Unicut Guitars to build me my dream guitar but he´s too far away to just drop off the guitar and let him do adjustment work that I can't or don't want to do myself.
what i noticed on my evertune guitars vs my normal guitars is that the 6 strings all sounds very balanced as a whole on the evertune instruments which is also nice, it gives it some sort of additional cohesiveness in sound and tone if you are looking for that feature (but i also love my other guitars with a more of edgy character sound, for what they are), so it all depends on what you are looking for.
Yeah. Less bass. That's all it is.
@@poison7512 toight
Probably because a properly tuned guitar has more aliquotes. When strings are perfectly tuned then a lot of resonances appear. The typical cheap guitar is constantly out of tune that's why it sounds dull or sharp, the pricey one keeps in tune and has overall more balance....same as Evertune bridge. It's physics :)
Great video! Would be awesome if you did similar video on VegaTrem, a floating trem.
Very informative video!!
This video couldnt have come at a more perfect timing, thanks Henning! There are Definitelly sound differences...more fullness/bass with Evertune, more sparkle with PRS Trem. But, it's a bit missleading tbh, because the "after" audio is kind of clipping/pumping. Is it just me noticing this? Anyway, very helpful experiment! I still dont have the guts to do this to my Prs haha
Okay, I might be a weirdo here, but hear me out on this: I don't honestly hear a lot happened to the "tone", but a LOT happened with the tuning. (No duh, but, just hear me out.)
The thing is since it's so perfectly "in-tune", it's doing that same thing in my brain that happens when I hear a vocalist that's pitch corrected; "yes, I know that's a guitar/singer, ...but guitars/singers aren't *that* perfect." It's well known that a traditionally designed guitar will never be perfectly in-tune; let alone with itself. But we've heard that out-of-tune-ness for the past 80-odd years, so we've (or, rather *I've*) come to *expect* those tiny little imperfections in the tuning because "that's how the thing be." But hearing every last note perfectly stable and perfectly in-tune feels...uncanny? Sort of like an audio uncanny valley in a way? Like it really closely *resembles* the thing I'm used to experiencing, but it's not *quite* it.
But maybe I'm just an over-traditionalist. Hell, I actually *like* 7 1/4" fret board radii and those old-style Fender tuning pegs where you have to poke the string tip through the hole in the top (phrasing). :V
I think the ever tuned guitar is actually out of tune. You have to tune them still. I don’t think he got it set up well. And you can tune it in a tempered tuning. I do mine in the James Taylor tuning. Sounds much better than equal temperament.
Yeah, it sounds a bit like a sampled guitar played on a keyboard.
The difference is subtle enough for me not to care about it and I think that's great! The Evertune is a fascinating device, but I would've kept the whammy bar, because I like to use it sometimes. :)
I don’t think I could get used to that. Sounds a bit like a sampled guitar played on a keyboard. It may feel the same to the player, but it homogenizes the performance in a subtle way. Kinda like the opposite of how a solid state amp might sound good, but feel stiff. Somebody else said this… it’s a bit like autotune in how it effects the tuning and expression.
The pickups and bridge on those PRS S2's are also imported (not US).
To my ear, the Evertune had a bit more high / bite, and a bit more low as well, just ever so slightly scooped compared to the stock bridge. Sustain sounded about the same. Looking at buying my first evertune-equipped guitar, this helped, thank.
Very cool video! I think I am convinced! Do you have the A/B Files somewhere to listen to directly ?
thx man ! i have many evertune question
What holds me back from a PRS purchase is the bird inlays.
What holds me back from a Evertune bridge is the name logo.
The best gear but hard to look at : / aesthetically.
why does it hold u back tho
A little fret buzz I hear on the clean tones before the installation of evertune. Or is it me?
So I think the tone sounds better after the installation. I don’t hear that fret buzz I heard at the beginning of this video.
Im all in on evertune they got it right even though you can’t undo it.
Wow I didn’t know about the fine tuning details. Very cool.
I said it before and i will say it again... I like the plastic Birds! 😁 Is Henning right? Yes! I dont see any advantage in a higher priced model over my CE 24 then different optics... and minimal different sound depending on the Model.
Great Video and i was shocked how much they had to route out for the installation. There is no way going back after that 😅
The reason why no one nails the Coil Split like PRS is because they use a 2.2k resistor and hence becomes a Coil Tap not a Coil Split. Paul is a very smart guy and I have started incorporating this method on my other guitars. Would love to review the evertune one day.
I had one and it’s great for recording but it feels so weird with bending even set up for bends ended up selling it and haven’t thought about it until this video
Watch Ola Englund's video about Evertune setups. Set the guitar up in drop then just tune up to standard so you don't have to run through the entire zone 2 to get back to standard. Hope that makes sense, but the best tip for Evertune IMO
yes, that makes sense
@@EytschPi42 glad to hear because I realized I typed too quickly and didn’t say what I meant to say the first time around 😆
It's exactly what I would do, because I almost never leave drop tuning nowadays anyway.
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17:25 I remember what it sounded like the first time I played through a VHT/Fryette amp, but not a guitar from months ago, unless it really sucked
Great video. Informative, funny and long format to mislead my loneliness.
Dude, I think it looks cooler with the Evertune. Looks fucking tough!
Interesting Video. I was not aware of the cons. I only saw the pros. But at the end of the day the Evertune-System is doing phenomenal job. Damned, I wish they invented it 3 decades earlier, because for some situations it is just the perfect solution. Not for everyone, of course but (the big "but") - who wouldn't like to have the choice ...? Anyway, Thumbs up for this Clip, Hennig. Great information, great value, very entertaining as well...
For the A/B it would have been great if you did the same riffs. I heard a difference in the clean but that could be amp settings? The crunch seemed the same
Good video. Thanks. Cat is great too!!
My experience with my one Evertune guitar is it has a mushier attack, snap, spank, whatever you want to call it. Like it would be the opposite of what you want if you were trying to play something funk inspired. Something else that flows in tandem with this is a potential reduction in brightness.
In my case, it's not a perfect comparison as my Evertune guitar is quite different from the rest of my guitars, BUT my Evertune guitar should otherwise have the crispest attack and brightest tone and it instead is the lowest on the list in this regard. I.e. its a 25.5 bolt on maple neck and Ash body while everything else is between 24.5 to 25.0 set neck Mahogany bodies and all of the other bridge types.
Probably the pickups. Pickups meant for high gain tend to sound that way clean.
@Patrick-857 Agree with the differences high gain pickups can make on things like compression, attack, organic transients, etc. In my case, I have 10 different aftermarket pickups that I have cycled through my guitars, which has helped me learn a lot, and the biggest thing I have found is the bridge type makes the biggest difference in tone, responsiveness, and feel for me whether plugged in or just playing acoustically. Then the neck wood and set vs. bolt on connection seems to have the next biggest impact.
Evertune bridge has the softest and mushiest attack, followed by the tune-o-matic. A PRS tremolo seems to be pretty close to a string through Hipshot, and the PRS wraparound stop-tail bridge had the most attack, tightness, and clarity. I wouldn't mind trying out a different Evertune build again to confirm my findings before considering this a definitive conclusion (25.5 scale with a set maple neck), but I'm quite confident it would not make enough of a difference to change my perspective.
I can confirm that diggin into an evertune is not like diggin into a fixed bridge. Like pointed out here it feels more mushy (or bouncy)
We build a V shape with a fixed bridge and one with an evertune. Bass sound was different and chords seems to be lighter under our finger. Good device. Not for all.
So I just went and recorded a couple songs (high gain) at a studio both I put lundgren m7s in both 1v 1t same cap, solar is neck thru w stainless steel frets jackson is bolt on with nickle, solar sounds way better way brighter more note clarity (also I can use 59 vs the 64 strings) it's crazy
Only problem that I have with spending 2K on a nice guitar and you get a gig bag, for 2K I think you should get a hard case. Just my 2 cents.
I didn't hear much difference in the tone comparison, but it was a bit difficult to tell without playing the same riff slight difference in volume. Probably close enough. It appears that the top needed a repair due to the routing or maybe the size of the Evertune - That was disappointing.
I use a whammy bar, so the Evertune is not something I'd use, but its technology is interesting and would be a benefit to some players.
Yes, deciding before what to play (ideally with a click, so it can be edited together afterwards) would have been a good idea. But the video is still showing well enough that an Evertune does not ruin the sound of a guitar 🙂
So thanks for that!
Didn't kill the tone but tampered with the attack somehow, that's what i was hearing
Love the Evertune but I wouldn't install it on a guitar which has a sound I love, because, at least to me, the sound difference is big
Pointing out Wilkerson's points of tone; nut, bridge saddle then secondarily the tuners. Above all primarily the main point of tone is the fingers at the fret/neck. So even if tone is +-= at the bridge, the constant will always be the player. Obvious but overlooked?
Evertune owner here. Great comparison, but it’s unfortunate that he didn’t have the evertune guitar in tune. You still have to set them up. When he played the octaves it made me cringe. In fact the whole second part made me feel that way. When you have it set up well, you just love playing sustained chords and don’t feel a need to add any vibrato to mask the intonation flaws. I hope he does another video comparing tuning stability when it’s set up properly.
Hmmm .. the evertune almost sounds like "autotune" on some of the notes being played ... where it seems like it is trying to "correct" the note physically being played....Also I notice there seems to be a loss of natural sustain and the notes kind of choke off at the end. A neat invention -- but certainly not as "organic" sounding as a pure simple fixed bridge without all the springs and levers to absorb energy and affect tone/sustain
I definitely hear a big loss in tone after the evertune install...It sounds thinner and brighter with the evertune and lost sustain very noticeably
You are absolutely right, Henning. That PRS does not even bother to respect the customer by delivering a 2000 euro guitar with plastic covers on top??? Na!
Unrelated to the evertune, but about your intro rant about PRS S2's. I'll be the one to say it: I hate abalone inlays and think they look fugly. I much MUCH prefer the white plastic birds visually lol.
My luthier said to avoid evertune unless you only play a highly saturated tone. Thanks for the video; a lot makes sense now.
I'm confused by all the tracking anomaly sounds? What am I missing.? Most every chord has tracking worrble?
What is tracking Worble?
First class demo H. Now am no sure music is ment to be sanatised to that extent. Is it no bad enough with auto tune and the likes. It's getting to the stage you don't know if a person can sing or play to a reasonable level. I wouldn't have did that to such a nice guitar it sounded fine first time round to my cloth ears. 🤔👍👍👍👍🥃Respect to you mate.
I think just in terms of physics, if you have a sizeable hole that goes all the way through the body, at the most important area in terms, if redistribution of energy (in this case sound waves) I think you lose or gain something in tone. Strat sounds are everywhere... Before fancy spring dampeners.. Before bridge blocks..
I can see the obsession with being in tune and staying there. Unless its a midi guitar and you really need it to track right.. you are probably the only one hearing it. I saw this gig where the bassist and guitarist both had rack tuners but one was wrong or tuned to 432a they fought onstage it was hilarious. Tune your ear so this dosent happen to you!!!
@4:15 NOT recessing plates drives me insane !
It definitely kills your sustain on the higher strings
My guess is F system means it's Fender spaced and G system means it's Gibson spaced.
To me the Evertune system is the next logical step in guitar technology.
Unless you don’t see a problem to require another step
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There are only a few things that would change the tone here.
1) Are the strings still the same distance away from the pickups? Did they get the heights the same when they reassembled it?
2) Did they use the same pots, resistors and/or caps when they reassembled it? Components can have tolerances as much as 10-20%.
3) You said you used the same amps without moving any knobs, also the same IR or Mic+Cab without moving them plus gain on the interface where the mic is connected to. I don't think you said if you used Mic+Cab, IR or perhaps OX Box?
4) MAYBE if the string is vibrating less or more that might affect output..
Removing wood would not change anything.. adding metal.. nah.. none of that matter AT ALL. It's just metal string vibrating causing induction and outputting that signal through the cable to the amp/interface. No amount of wood is changing that.. don't let GAS or Guitar Seller Paul Reed Smith fool you into spending on "tonewoods" for electrics..
Wood will change a lot. I‘ve been doing this long enough to know. How the strings are attached also makes a huge difference when it comes to ADSR
@@EytschPi42 You have my attention, how is the wood changing the tone?
I wish Jim Lill were here
Love evertune!
Evertune's the best thing to happen to guitar since guitar was invented, in my opinion. I've alway been frustrated by tuning and spend so much time keeping them intonated and in pitch when recording. I've got two Evertune fitted guitars now and my 'regular' guitars don't really get a look in any more. It's an absolute game changer.
also with prs , i have the ce which is more expensive …. glueing the headstock joint to the neck … wtf !! epiphone doesnt even pull that crap
If routing out the guitar for the EverTune would "kill the tone", then so would chambering a guitar, wouldn't it? Same with making it a hollow/semi-hollow body. Something something only pickups matters in an electric guitar. :D
Go and tell that to Paul Reed Smith 🤣 His Guitars are at this price because of the wood...
@@HeadbangoO He'll probably just say something about balsa wood and bang on a xylophone for a bit... 🤣
The routing out probably doesn't change anything, but the different bridge construction, which can change the attack and sustain behaviour of the strings.
I think you just played a game of shuffleboard in Mexico with my friend Robin and her husband Shane from Memphis, tell 'em Adam says hello!
Why would you replace an entire bridge to just get the d string to not move? I know it’s not one size fits all but I’d just leave it stock.
That is just how it was set up… you can setup every string just how you like it. Bendable, not bendable.. it’s all based on your preference
To me, the evertune sounded much rounder in a good way. Not necessarily better or worse, but definitely different.
It would be great for Jazz guitars as well.
Haha, don't know if the top could still resonate with that chunk of metal mounted to it or if it would tear it apart right away.
Maybe it could somehow be mounted vertically into the wooden block where the strap pin is located and lead the strings over a saddle where the bridge usually sits 🤔
Tail block. That's the word I was looking for.
@@thewaldfe9763 Oh no no. I mean on a solid body guitar. Not on a fully hollow. I didn't think of hollow body.
Holy moly glad it turned out okay but that guy was using super nice Festools and his cuts on that poor PRS were absolute shit..
@13:56 That thing removes A LOT of wood !
Yes, but you can NOT hear that in the after sounds… I was pretty surprised.
Totally weird when you bend the string and no pitch changed: WEIRD I tell ya!
Perfect guitar to record. And stage. And jam. Evertune is amazing. 😂😂😂
I doubt it's deliberate, they dont add time by not routing a back route, they save time and wear on a smaller tool/bit, probably saving them enough to get people into the line
over the course of 10 you could have make 11 if you just do a little less, if more of this build is automated and B stock goes that direction, its good business and helping stabilize the price of higher end instruments
@@idiotburns Even my indonesian made LTD EC401 has recessed covers. So did my first cheapo Ibanez. (and all those, including the PRS SE seen here, are actually made by Cort in one of their various asian factories). When you're routing out tons of wood for electronics, a trem, and body contours on a carved top guitar in the first place it seems odd to skimp on that aspect specifically.
Kinda off topic, but the Roland TD17drum module is also a great example for distinguishing a mid tier from a top tier product with nonsense
Let me just say the headphone output does not have an individual volume control. Like, all the previous models in that range had.
That is really dumb! No volume for headphones???
The only thing I don't like about the Evertune bridge is that if you want to constantly change tunings it becomes a pain in the arse.
That’s why you have more than one guitar. Sheesh
@@deancrist621
I do have more than one guitar. Sheesh.
If you're constantly changing tuning and not changing intonation, then you're not going to benefit from evertune, because you clearly don't mind a guitar that's not intonated.
It almost sounds kinda like changing from Round wound strings to Flat Wound strings. I would want the bending
You can still bend
The fear of technology. The Irony of the people that want Fishman pickups but they're afraid of an evertune. it sounds fine.
top mounted back plates..why..🧐..lol..I made this comment before your comment
Just what we need, another Damned Tone Debate! Just play the thing! 🤷♂️
I can't imagine removing a factory tremelo system from any guitar, only to replace it with a non-tremelo system. That is deliberately loosing functionality the instrument had. Why not just buy a hardtail to start with if you don't like a tremelo for whatever reason?
Hardtails that aren't Tune o matic style ones are hard to find. I hate trems and I hate tune o matics.
Who needs a €4k guitar. My fav guitar cost £230 and next fav £100. Both are Vintage brand! Unless you are a session musician keep your eye out for bargains and prevent all the new model, signature, innovation shite. You can then sell them a few years later for pretty much what you paid. Let's face it they are only planks with wires!
Even i think evertune is a great system (great work here, and cool looking !), it change the tone of the guitar in a bad way i think, flatter and warmer. That PRS has lost his bite and his bright.
Evertune is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist… sure we’d all like to tune less but at the end of the day, part of what makes a guitar a guitar is how tactile the instrument is and how reactive it is to even the smallest physical inputs. I could probably learn how to play with gloves on but I’d rather not.. not sure why I’d want anything pacifying what I do on the guitar
prs guitars are a big joke these days look at that finish :D no locking tuner,no ss frets,always veneer unless you pay 6k to them :D
It does have locking tuners though
They have to keep making the under $2000 guitars crappier so they can sell the $4000 guitars. Fuck that!
Lmao that evertune is out on the G string
"Joke joke joke, we all laugh"
This day and age anybody buying guitars made by a US brand name company is insane
13:58 The poor guitar! 😲
I had it on a ltd sing😊le cut guitar and hated it. Sounded hollow
Schlaile nicht Schleie 2:12 first one is in German a Name, second one is a Fish 🐟 🥳😃🙄
I corrected that on screen
Evertune kills sustain. Like night and day. Gimme a fixed, or floyd rose any day over an evertune.
My Ibanez gio is more stable than this PRS trem 8:36
Sorry that guitar is not worth $1600 taking into account what is available these day on the market. I would rather get an SE than one of those rip offs.
My prediction before watching all of the video: There's not going to be a difference in tone. At all. Probably not even a noticable difference in sustain...
I don't hear much difference in the tone but you shouldn't. The bigger difference is in the attack. I personally like the strings to sound different due to attack. The evertune seems to reduce this. I don't see why these are so popular.
If there is a change in tone, it's so inconsequential as to not even worry about it.
EVERTUNE IS ESSENTIALLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND IF YOU CANT BREAK THE SPELL AND BE REASONABLE GOOD LUCK IN LIFE
Pro players and touring guitar players have gotten along just fine since the 1950’s without Evertune. They didn’t need luck.
@@danyeo yeah, they only need a few more backup guitars and a guitar tech but sometimes even that is still not enough. Metallica can confirm (watch JAMES HETFIELD REACTION WHEN KIRK HAMMETT GUITAR IS OUT OF TUNE LIVE (2023))
Ok, I see it looks like a Slanted PEAVEY maybe it doesnt?
Just to get it right, you are really a floating trem system with that? Come on, you think that is serious? The "Klangseele" is defintely ruined forever. Can´t be, that you are not missing the sparkle and overtones of a Custom 24, or? Put this on spome cheap things, why ruining a serious instrument......
well there is missing the word: comparing
180 for the Evertune and Installation? That doesn't sound right. I mean if it is right, that's an amazing deal.
Only for the installation
It's 300 for the evertune, or whatever price you can get for it, then add the installation fee, it doesn't sound unreasonable considering what they are doing to the guitar
Tone? Gee nothing has an affect on tone other than the string and pickup.. LOLOLOL JK I have ears and a brain.