No Hat Podcast | Aaron Plessinger discusses salary in sports
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
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I first met Aaron at an Amatuer motocross event in 2015. We talked about racing, went for a walk, held hands and watched the sunset. Aaron is an amazing guy and I will never forget that day.
Haha!
Did you wear his cowboy hat though?
@@jyoung6708 And spurs!
Your a tool Steve
U gay
Its very inexpensive for a kid and their family to pick up baseball, basketball, football, etc. The barrier to entry in moto for most families is the cost. As for adults, they typically watch and follow the sports they played as a kid. So getting into something that A) flies under the radar as far as motorsports go and B) has a large cost to entry are hold-backs. Yes...I know the cost to enter F1 is 100x higher...but like Aaron said...these drivers get paid uber amounts of money and the entire series is televised on national tv. In the end...no matter what...it comes down to money
I’m okay being under the radar. Don’t think it needs to be a mainstream sport. Honestly think that’ll kill it.
Being on a pay per view has cut down exposure and viewers , and that limits big companies that would like to invest in a sport with lots of exposure so their products get seen by the widest audience possible
So who foots the bill for the series before companies start to invest? Do you pay for the package now?
they had their most viewed year last year and it’s honestly all thanks to peacock. tell me which network would air supercross in a prime time saturday slot over anything else? peacock has brought some stability to the broadcast and is even willing to tack on outdoors to their package
@@super_chip I'd rather watch supercross on a Saturday than seeing golf or tennis and changing the channel.
@@super_chip RUclips! Then start inviting RUclipsrs to watch races and meet the teams. Do sponsorship deals with Geico and the likes of them to sponsor the RUclips channel. It'll likely lose money in the first few years, but stands a chance at growing audience sizes which will boost attendance and, crucially, bike sales. But of course, who should foot the initial bill? That's the hard part.
They need to do more for privateers. If a guy can qualify for 80% of the mains then they should be getting a piece of the pie. Travel money, no gate fees, and a modest salary. Without the privateers its hard for people to realize how good the top guys are. Also, the top guy need to stop bitching about lappers. Lappers are part of racing and you're expected to deal with it.
The promoters are crooks. Anyone making the main should be making $100,000 a year for 17 Supercross races and 12 outdoor races. They will make more money racing the World Supercross. There is more money there with 10% of the fans.
I despise the word lappers. Disrespectful as hell. At minimum call them lapped riders or riders being lapped. There are many derogatory terms that end with "ers" such as right wingers, pro lifers and anti-vaxxers
Why do "they" need to do more. Who volunteers to do more for anyone in a business. Keep showing up unrepresented and keep getting screwed over. The privateers are screwing themselves over. Take the same 10 riders that make the main and finish out of the points and put them on one team. The team bargains for the pay to put on the show. This wont work because there is another bunch of idiot privateers waiting in line to put on the show for free.
@tedturner9054 So you think they need to unionize? It may be the best way to go. The threat may encourage Feld to step up and give more. The World Supercross pays more than the AMA Supercross. They have way less fans and money.
I just realized the guy talking to AP is the same guy that did the Loretta Lynn’s heart of motocross back in like 2010 for redbull. Still one of my favorite videos
Put it back on prime time network TV straight through start to finish. I used to watch the races on bunny ears on CBS sports then ABC sports
Absolutely! Peacock didn't help their popularity
It takes a minute to understand it. When you see the ruts after a SX race and then know the speeds and the distance they fly to land in a deep rut 10" wide on the gas. Then you can appreciate it being bigger than 4 grand slams in the same game by the same person. these jumps and ruts are all over the entire course and usually 20+ laps. Crazy amount of work over years starting from childhood gets a fraction of a fraction of these Pros at compete at this level
That's also true. Folks I have shown MX to over the years think "oh that seems easy... can you do all that too?" (answer: "hell no!"). Whereas when they watch F1 or NASCAR they think "wow, that's scary fast". MX isn't a fast sport. It's more technical, which means you need to have tried it to appreciate it.
The fact that in Canada as well as many other countries I have to pay over $200 a year to watch supercross when before it used to be on my regular TV that I was paying for anyway is a major problem. No one is going to watch it unless they are a mega fan or live in the US where its broadcast on TV.
Totally agree. For years my local cable company broadcasted live supercross then all of a sudden it was gone. Then it came back but through Fox Sports Racing for a couple of years but some how I could see this all coming to an end through cable tv and it did. Now I pay almost $200 CDN to watch. So if you live outside of the US you pay.
It's not free in the USA either ..was for 20 years.. sx and outdoors every race ..no way will some not already into mx pay to watch..greedy ass AMA
Look at how many people drive cars, have played Baseball and Football, Golf compared to racing Dirt Bikes. That's why Pro Dirt Bike riders make what they make. Reaching the masses make money! It equates to more of what people can relate to. I'm a dirt bike guy and I think these Pro's should be making a lot more than what they make. It's all about the powers to be making all the money. The riders are the show and they have to pay to race and the promoters make all the money.
Everybody Drives a car. Everybody can swing a bat, afford a mit and play catch. Everybody can throw a football in their backyard or have a Thanksgiving game. Motocross...well, it's like wake boarding, snow skiing and cage fighting. Less people can connect to it and relate. It's expensive really! You can't just go to the gym down the street or your back yard and dream of being a pro. Overcome those hurdles, add some really good/better marketing campaigns and then, you might find a bigger piece of the pie. Until then, I'm a big fan and rooting for you all. Although, I do have my favorites...AP for the win!!! 👊😉
Totally agree. I wrote a long-winded reply that basically said the same thing. I should have just given yours a thumbs up if I had seen it first!
@@kingGar27 🤣👍🏻👊🏻🤙🏻
Quit charging a fee to watch it & go back to old school tv to expose more. Like the old superbikers series on ABC.
So then how do they make money and pay for the event?
More views more advertisements more revenue by make paople paying you can only go so far IMO @@joelmatthews5697
Commercials , surely you've seen one 😊
@@joelmatthews5697how does JRE make money? How does any content creator make money? I get TGO being behind a paywall but the podcasts should be free. Build the channel and monetize, ain’t that hard lol
@@lukebryant5017 If you complain about paying for the racing then why would you part with money for what ever is being advertised?
Cost of entry is a barrier for sure, but the bigger issue is access to ride/practice. A kid can go to a neighborhood park with his buddies and play all day. They cant load their bike up and drive an hr+ to get to a track, and many dont have access to property next to their home to ride.
This is Huge!!! Most places have no place to ride and if they do alot are open for a few years and then close down. I've been watching this for decades and God forbid you bring your son on his Crf 50 to put around a field on the side of the road. Instant Police presence. I think the AMA needs to get involved and open some riding areas. It doesn't have to be groomed mx tracks, just somewhere to ride. That'll never happen
It's been my contention for a LONG time that the promotion of Supercross and motorcycle racing in general, has been so under promoted by what I would consider rank amateurs! Supercross fans are an advertisers dream for marketing, the demographics are exactly where you want to reach, but when I look at what the sponsor list is - it's all the internal to motorcycle sponsorship. I have had people over who may have watched a F-1 race a few times, Nascar once or twice, and when they watch a race with me, they are amazed by the action and become huge fans. When you have stadiums being filled, when Nascar, Indycar, and others that are struggling to put 40% of the seats with a fan, that tells you something. Is Peacock the best TV package you can do? It all gets back to many years ago, MavTV was the live race for the Daytona Supercross. A basketball game was running late, 40 minutes into the Daytona race they finally started showing the race! The Superbowl for Supercross and that is the best we can do, 70% of the viewers had left, it's ridiculous!
I remember just 20 years ago we had to wait several days for the TV version to air. I used to listen to Supercross live on the internet from like 99-2003. And even the motocross was taped delayed all the way to like 2012 or something crazy! And they would show the 450 motos before the 250, it was out of order. It’s come a long way but can definitely go a lot further!
Meanwhile, every other racing series had programming you could watch. If the AMA had any clue on ratings, they could figure out production methods to provide EVERYONE with live stream and paid advertising for the sport. They seem to be stuck in the 1960's. It's all about eyeballs, with today's technology, the data is easy to present to sponsors, and as cheap as it would be you probably would triple the income to the sport by doing this.
@@mikedempsey1041 I agree especially in a sport driven by Sponsors they are definitely missing opportunities.
I go to work or church and there are a few guys watching each week. I know like one person who is watching Nascar or F1. We also screw up with promoting sponcers. It's like, if like to thank my sponsors, monster kawasaki. It should be ride a kawasaki because that's the best bike made. Drink monster energy cause it tastes great and make sure you switch your insurance to Progressive. I mean really sell your sponsors and their products.
Supercross needs Netflix to do a drive to survive style docu series on the sport. the explosion of F1 in the USA in the recent years can be directly traced to that. I agree the pay would help but the sport also has to generate the income. NFL has such massive tv deals that money directly effects the salary caps for teams. F1 also has massive budgets but the viewer numbers has to be there too. that's why something like a behind the scenes docu series that follows racers outside of the track and creates other storylines would bring people in. why do you think Deegan is so popular. its because they have built that online audience by showing a closer look inside of their family and what "makes them tick" Motocross is one of the toughest sports in the world. The edge of total success and failure is so razor thin that would keep audiences attention and drive them to want more. Tell the stories, story telling always wins when done right.
Compared to ball sports, sx and mx is minute, they will never rise out of the dust.
Millions of people just don’t like bikes and don’t care. Easy as that it’s a very loved or hated sport
Ive said it a million times. The Red Bull Strait rhythm should be a series that travels all over the US. Do it on Wednesday or Thursday that supercross is. A big issue is the races aren't in every state. and most people don't want to drive 5 hrs one way to see a race. Even better put Straight Rhythm is cities where supercross isn't. And Supercross and Motorcross need to have an open class which is ride what you brought
think of the money left on the table with something like jersey sales alone
I gave up the sport in 91 having raced the Schoolboy(junior) National championship (UK) as No20 in the inter opens (100cc), i knew i would find it hard so I cut myself off totally from the spirt and started following again last year, seems like we in the uk have lost our way as we have one rider in the East coast 2fifddies and like 4 maximum in MX1 mxgp, really sad.
Motocross is such a sophisticated sport that most people can't relate to it. Stick and ball sports are much more relatable to people because most everyone has tried them with very little obstacles to overcome. Regular sports are much more accessible to people and easier to get into that's why they are so much more popular. Motocross is much harder to get into and participate in even at the most basic levels. Everyone drives a car and can relate to cars racing that's why forms of car racing is popular, people again can relate to it. That's why motocross will never go mainstream and that's kinda a good thing IMO. More growth would be great and is achievable though, just not the mainstream levels.
I’ve raced motocross for nearly 40 years and there is only 1 thing holding it back and it’s been the same thing for those and more years.
The television coverage does not get the casual viewer invested in the riders enough. The coverage needs to get the casual viewer more invested into the riders lives and do more personality based stories like they are now doing on Race Day Live. You have to get the whole family hooked into the experience not just the racer in the family. You gotta get more in depth discussions on the bikes and performance aspects to get the gear heads involved.
NASCAR has major corporate sponsors, not just energy drinks and gear manufacturers. If Home Depot sponsored a Plessinger’s KTM team, and other brands had DuPont, Walmart, Chevron, etc sponsoring… then salaries would change. We’d also lose out on seeing privateers compete.
Well, one problem is maybe some people don’t want to subscribe to Peacock to watch it. Secondarily, it’s not like there are basketballs, footballs, and dirtbikes to choose from in the elementary school gym. The typical urban or suburban kid has no exposure. I was lucky enough to grow up on a farm where I could keep a dirtbike and ride it every day. I had no parental support, so I was in my mid 20s before I had a chance to race for real.
It’s all about accessibility. The average person can buy a baseball to throw, and owns a car, so can relate to those sports. Trailering a dirt bike 2hrs to find a track on the weekend is beyond the mainstream unfortunately.
Netflix needs to do a series on motocross and super cross
The problem is most people can try to hit a golf ball or play soccer or a tennis ball, etc etc, if you don’t ride ya don’t follow it, ya didn’t play MX/SX in school, only kids of parents with cash played MX/Sx as kids. So most spectators of sports don’t even have Dirtbikes on the radar, F1 etc is on free to air, so even if ya never driven a go cart you do own a car so people sort of get into it.
Dirt bikes are something I love, but not many I know could careless, even brutal tracks don’t appeal to the average punter because they don’t know how brutal it is, they’re never done a ride in there life.
My mother used to asked me why I was worn out after a dirt ride , what ever the ride. As far as she was concerned I had a motor, it wasn’t a push bike so why was I puffed out. She didn’t know didn’t care, just seen the sport as easy and pointless. She loved V8 supercars/Nascar/F1 & football/Rugby/Golf etc etc, as far as mum was concerned these sports were gold & the people playing very talented & deserved all the respectin the world.
Those sports have unions that work for the better of the sport. GDPA in F1, MLBPA in MLB, NFLPA etc. A racer's union should not work against the promoter necessarily, but as a common voice from the racers to help grow the sport with the promoter.
Knowing how much the athletes get paid is huge to make it big. I like it being on the cock because I don’t have cable, and cable is dying. But, the biggest thing, is Feld has to do a better job, and hopefully supermotocross helps.
I can’t believe someone in the sport hasn’t worked out a way to have SX / MX get a mention on ESPN sports center. I’m sure they’ve tried but it’s so annoying to see motor sports recaps on there without a single mention.
The last thing I want is ESPN around my favorite sport. I am going to enjoy what’s left of this underground sport.
If i remember correctly, Supercross and Motocross were on ESPN back in the early 2000s.
Motocross is also a rich kid sport whether they like to believe it or not. Many people don't understand the skill involved with motorcycle racing. People can not get involved as easily. I think electrical bikes might actually take Motocross to the next level if they can figure that out then bikes....
How can the sport increase its viewership when it is not easily accessible to viewers without a subscription-based television service? Furthermore, the quality of the broadcast is poor even with a subscription.
Put the coverage back like it was, no more pay subscription for starters. Next, tell monster energy and the networks to invest more money into mainstream media advertising, riders on beer cans, energy drink cans, on Dorito bags and so on. "YOUR NAME HERE,, proud sponsors of AMA supercross and motocross" advertising is key.
If you can show f1 and motogp bsb wsb then you can show supercross and motocross with out the fees
Free tv , prime time tv
A bit more easy to follow track side discussion for the non MX/SX fan base
Since I got into moto around 4 decades ago..... I've always liked how it's not "bigger".
The teams are spending several millions per year and you only have a handful of athletes at most. If you needed 12 riders per team, some would be definitely richer than say Ryan Reynolds' soccer team
There’s not a culture built around the sport like football and baseball that brings together a whole city or state. Motocross/Supercross would need to have teams associated to cities/states to bring the feel of belonging.
Supercross will Never get as big because AMA keeps it in a Slot Market.. It needs to be back on Regular TV ESPE2, ABC, NBC, FOX.. besides that it's only going to stay FLATLINE.. 😢😮🤔
This is the problem 57 likes and 6 comments.
Motocross/Supercross athletes are incredible and go completely unnoticed and way underpaid.
Start owing stadiums and get more advertising
Its a fringe sport..always was..always will be!
Most people have played football, baseball, basketball, hockey or tennis. They can conceptualize the skill not so much with motocross…
You think there's no money in supercross then take a look at Moto America road racing and you will appreciate what you make.
There are so many under valued sports out there. It’s about who can bring more people to the stadium!$$
Nobody packs a stadium like Anaheim in my opinion! I say bring back the 3 Anaheims SX and Glen Helen MX !
Bring back Glen Helen 🤘
IMO they are being pimped by the promoters, and they need to demand their cut. When a promoter doesn't pay the flaggers and yet charges $200.00 for someone to sleep in a tent you got problems. Motocrossers that make the National and only get $400.00...rise up riders, get a union and demand your share, they are playing you.
MXGP world champion ship is even worse
They make way less money
Compared to the supercross
And you have to pay to watch the races
Also, many GP have small crowds
They still race MX. How would anyone know.
God please dont even joke about making SX/MX like f1! Dont ever wish that on anybody.
And honestly it can never be like ball sports either.The fan base- and thus the money available - isnt there and never will be.
As far as most people are concerned,we are idiots doing pointlessly dangerous stuff and we don't even have the smarts to get out of the dirt😄
Personally i'm super happy dirt bike racing still exists at the level it does.We're doing pretty damn good all things considered
Love it
We gotta get back to ESPN even if it’s just a highlight segment the day after the race….. and we got to get MX merch in Walmart and other stores like Target and big retailers…. Have Netflix run a series like F1 did. So many family and injury comeback stories you could have viewers for days….. core moto wants to moto to grow. But also the core won’t let it…. Release the grip and branch out
Aaron should have been allowed to wear his hat
So yes motorcycles are expensive, that’s a thing. Putting that aside. What I see as a problem in the competitive side of things. Is the way the leagues are structured. You have children in the professional league… not in their own youth class, but with the adults… and you wonder why this sport isn’t working well? So the amateur leagues suck and get no attention from spectators because the competition isn’t there and there is no prizes available to anyone that does well except for first place in AA class. So nobody cares. If you are a gifted rider you can’t go pro/simi pro unless you drop out of school at 15. As much as people want to complain about the expense, this is a blue collar sport. You can’t participate in these races to get ranked and work a mostly full time job. It’s a blue collar sport, how about making it so blue collar people can participate in a series (amateur obviously) not just the one or two “local” races. One last thing- the expense of watching these pro races on pay-per-view is so high. What do you expect? I know technically you can watch on another site, but it’s live broadcast on a lame stream service that nobody wants/uses. Put the races on RUclips for free. I love watching the races, but I’m not going to pay that much every time. Some races are exciting enough to be worth it. But a lot of them aren’t. I’m not a comi, but the price is ridiculous. You can make it free on RUclips and monetize to make a lot of money. The reason it’s not more popular is the industries fault. Never wanting to give back, always taking that includes the pro athletes. Your league structure is retarded and inaccessible.
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Team Plessinger anyday than lame NFL teams.
If motocross gets on the radar it will be bigger than any car racing formula one racing boat racing plane racing...... Any one can do that.... Not any one can ride a motocross bike... Trust me
Make it like F1 so nobody can afford to do it.😢
Easy, this sport takes so long to get good enough to compete, kids are basically homeschooled in a RV, equity out of the house they once had to afford it, then when they get to the level, 17 year old walks up for an interview, sounds like he has a 5th grade education, why? because he essentially does. They would need to hire voice coaches, etiquette coaches of how to act when around a class of people that you want to have invested in you, that would also destroy the sport, they would bring in new rules, safety and environmental. To pay for the increase in salaries, Bikes and Gear would cost 10x. which would take it away from it's roots. $$$ rules and it cost too much for the average person to get into, F1 drivers come from money, moto riders do not.
Totally agree. Where's Taylor when we need her. Not !
But really get the highest paid ball sports guys to jump one triple. !
I bet Plessinger can hit a home run !
someone’s making money, it costs me $250 a year just to be able to watch it here in Australia……and the quality level of the broadcast is just plain embarrassing compared to any other sport
$250 is cheap consider you get he SX season, mx and now smx.
The Privateers are the one's that struggle as gas travel gate fees and the averts to get people to watch are few and far between. Like Europe in the 80's 90's privateers would get start money to help that's all gone and Dorna FIM have destroyed big events like insurance for a world round is massive someone is making big money but it aint the riders. The TV coverage used to moan as heavy cables needed for the camera's as cost's for outdoors but now with wifi it's so simple but that's where greed comes in as in TV rights. Look at the world motocross rounds there isn't full line ups you had to qualify to get on the line or do the support races for start money. Motocross is slowly dying look at the crowds when Rick Johnson and the like rode supercross the stadium would be full. The outdoor national there would be 80+ thousand there. It's only hardcore fans now and that's not enough for a hard sport that has no rollcage and is very hard on the body look at the crowds when Bubba and Ricky battled.
Gladiator sports are being phased out
Good discussion but come on. How in the world do you have AP on the pod and not bring in his beloved redbull hat!
He was busy ironing his Tank Top
to many races 5 different series with europe
THE NATIONS was epic
may be a in a GRAND SLAM STYLE HAND FULL IN DOOR AND OUT DOOR
don't know
The solution is more race teams willing to pay more. Triumph, beta, Ducati, entering the sport is going to make riders get paid more, IMO.
Y’all are stunting your own growth, everyone that loves moto knows ab TGO and those make sense being behind a paywall but the podcast should be free. You’ll build a bigger audience that will eventually make the jump and buy your premium content (ie TGO etc)
Thank you for the comment. The No Hat Podcast is free on mysport.tv. You just need to subscribe.
Get Davey tf away from it
Motocross has been going down the toilet for a decade or more, just look how poor the depth of talent is, even the start gates aren’t full, mxgp is a joke and getting worse, gone are the glory days
Bring back an adult 125 class, and have 250cc class, get rid of the 450s and bring back qualifying on friday/Saturday, pay all qualifying riders start money and have purses that pay down to 40th
It's the ama not letting characters in the sport and motocross is full of them.every podium speech for the past decade or 2 has been the same speech rehearsed boring.