KAZUYA IS INSANE - Ultimate Breakdown by Leffen

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  • Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
  • Renowned Tekken Stan Leffen Breaks Down Kazuya Mishima down to the finest details.
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    #Leffen #Kazuya #Ultimate

Комментарии • 299

  • @ThatWolfArrow
    @ThatWolfArrow 3 года назад +211

    Leffen's editor: I am speed

    • @l3ff3n
      @l3ff3n  3 года назад +237

      IT WAS ME

    • @daddyswaggums3578
      @daddyswaggums3578 3 года назад +41

      Leffen the Hedgehog

    • @Lunk87
      @Lunk87 3 года назад +20

      @@l3ff3n Proof or it didn't happen

    • @equinox3861
      @equinox3861 3 года назад +10

      @@l3ff3n DIO

    • @kylethompson4543
      @kylethompson4543 3 года назад +4

      @@l3ff3n Curious to hear your thoughts on the new Technicals video

  • @deprogramming_journey5
    @deprogramming_journey5 3 года назад +17

    Where's Jisu to defend you? Both of y'all blocked me on twitter btw.

  • @moroniflores4463
    @moroniflores4463 3 года назад +39

    Leffen after labbing Kazuya: he is good but not for everyone lol

  • @TheALVINtaker
    @TheALVINtaker 3 года назад +139

    "Why is he a tough guy?"
    There's a reason his game is called "Tekken": it means "iron fist".

    • @ReiSyre62
      @ReiSyre62 3 года назад +3

      Basically on Kanji meaning behind Tekken name Yep.

  • @dylanh.3793
    @dylanh.3793 3 года назад +42

    Leffen: **says anything**
    Chat: “yes I agree”

    • @TheLivingSeven
      @TheLivingSeven 3 года назад +3

      YT chat: TOTSUGEKI 🐬

    • @theedwardian
      @theedwardian 3 года назад

      Who else are we supposed to watch? ESam? AHAHAHAHAHA

  • @daddyswaggums3578
    @daddyswaggums3578 3 года назад +183

    I can’t wait for the hungrybox reaction so I can witness him have an actual heart attack on camera.

    • @HI42YT
      @HI42YT 3 года назад +50

      Kazuya: does a jab
      HBox: OMG HE'S BROKEN

    • @fgcbird
      @fgcbird 3 года назад +19

      He was so loud while watching it that last night I could hear him scream from the future

    • @gabrielabrera9966
      @gabrielabrera9966 3 года назад +20

      I actually made a Bingo board with all of the possible things HBox will say/do during the presentation.

    • @jamjam8795
      @jamjam8795 3 года назад

      @@gabrielabrera9966 link?

    • @vegitoblue4601
      @vegitoblue4601 3 года назад

      @@gabrielabrera9966 yeah link?

  • @cupsoup7244
    @cupsoup7244 3 года назад +77

    For the algorithm also for that great thumbnail

  • @tvftw1
    @tvftw1 3 года назад +23

    11:48 wild Esam sighting

  • @angerura6333
    @angerura6333 3 года назад +49

    The path is set for the last FE fighter

    • @reicherwallace6774
      @reicherwallace6774 3 года назад +1

      All the salt in the world. However I'd be hype if it's actually an FE character I like. Like Hector or Ephraim (as far as Lords/MCs go.)

    • @malachishaner690
      @malachishaner690 3 года назад

      As long as they don't end up super generic and/or ridiculously broken, I'd be chill with another FE character. But I wanna see a mortal combat character to fill out the big boi fighting game thing goin on. Or Goku for the memes. Since Dante got decomfirmed

    • @reicherwallace6774
      @reicherwallace6774 3 года назад

      @@malachishaner690 To be fair Ephraim and Hector broke the lord mold by straying away from swordplay entirely. Hector would be the most unique honestly.

    • @DragonEdge10
      @DragonEdge10 3 года назад

      @@reicherwallace6774 Didn't Eliwood use lances? Or am I misremembering?

    • @reicherwallace6774
      @reicherwallace6774 3 года назад

      @@DragonEdge10 he promoted into horseback with lance as a secondary weapon but Ephraim is pretty much locked to it if I remember right. Only Lord besides Demitri that even primaried it I think.

  • @adamquenano8563
    @adamquenano8563 3 года назад +145

    This character is so impressive that it got Leffen to want to play ultimate.

    • @jsmithers.
      @jsmithers. 3 года назад +14

      So did Mythra though

    • @adamice2526
      @adamice2526 3 года назад +12

      Leffen seems to like the last few DLC characters which is neat

    • @AssailantLF
      @AssailantLF 3 года назад +4

      It didn't. Leffen makes Ultimate videos on new content/updates in order to capitalize on their popularity to get more views. If he actually cared about Ultimate, he would make more content about Ultimate when it isn't just financially good for him.

    • @matthewpipes018
      @matthewpipes018 3 года назад +7

      He loves playing ultimate offline locally. It's the online that's keeping him away from the game

  • @PurposeDriven7_
    @PurposeDriven7_ 3 года назад +49

    Character has an insane about of possibility’s with combos and strings.

    • @Liezuli
      @Liezuli 3 года назад +23

      Yeah, but given how this game goes, he's probably going to be using the same 2-3 bnbs over and over instead

    • @mathunit1
      @mathunit1 3 года назад +9

      @@Liezuli Similar thing can be said for most fighting games actually. :P

  • @IcebergSSBU
    @IcebergSSBU 3 года назад +23

    Why are his punching and kicking sound effects so satisfying!? I gotta play Tekken sometime

    • @agilezero5457
      @agilezero5457 3 года назад +9

      They're from the Tekken in-game sound effects. Hell, if you look carefully, he also has the Tekken visual hit effects (the sparks coming from every hit). Both have been a staple of Tekken.

    • @justaotter2085
      @justaotter2085 3 года назад +3

      @@agilezero5457 when has ewgf looked so good hell imagine imagine if perfect ewgf crumple stuns lol

    • @Scorpio7500
      @Scorpio7500 3 года назад

      do it tekken is so sick

  • @deprogramming_journey5
    @deprogramming_journey5 3 года назад +24

    #apologizetosky
    and at this point you should apologize to Zer0 too. Don't expect your hugfort fans to shield you from all the criticism you deserve.

  • @cashordeals3672
    @cashordeals3672 3 года назад +24

    People complaining about kazuya yet that's just the chad kazuya mishima

    • @leannicleand04
      @leannicleand04 3 года назад +10

      I just love when they complain about him.

    • @LeafyFox_
      @LeafyFox_ 3 года назад +2

      Kazuyer mishimer*

  • @vietnamsemonky4082
    @vietnamsemonky4082 3 года назад +17

    Completely ignoring technicals i still see, meanwhile jisu is crashing and burning LOLLLL

  • @brandocackers34
    @brandocackers34 3 года назад +7

    Apologize to Sky

  • @scorpiwater
    @scorpiwater 3 года назад +9

    Leffen mad, but this opens up future windows for smash implementing more than 3 tilts and a jab plus follow ups. This could be the future

    • @yvick7770
      @yvick7770 3 года назад

      No go back to street fighter or sum shit let smash be smash

    • @scorpiwater
      @scorpiwater 3 года назад

      @@yvick7770 lmao bye

    • @yvick7770
      @yvick7770 3 года назад

      @@scorpiwater good and may your 8 tilts loving ass never come back

  • @baltharaaz9847
    @baltharaaz9847 3 года назад +8

    Kazuya has Tough Guy _probably_ to mimic Tekken's auto block system. If you're neutral (no inputs), some moves will be automatically blocked by your character. It actually makes a difference for certain punishes due to pushback.
    Also, the animations probably feel weird due to the minimal hitlag on his moves.

    • @Paranuui
      @Paranuui 2 года назад

      That's some fair reasoning

  • @sadjhin103
    @sadjhin103 3 года назад +14

    Theory: Little Mac was being bullied in Smash all this time. He called his dad Kazuya to deal with the bullies.

  • @rondoudoushiney3868
    @rondoudoushiney3868 3 года назад +19

    That Mii Costumes part was rough...

    • @aiinsant
      @aiinsant 3 года назад +5

      I screm......
      Dante and Lloyd

  • @tharetsku
    @tharetsku 3 года назад +28

    He is such a cool character, hard as hell but powerful.

    • @jsmithers.
      @jsmithers. 3 года назад +1

      Nah

    • @HoneyEggs
      @HoneyEggs 3 года назад +1

      @@jsmithers. that’s you opinion

    • @jsmithers.
      @jsmithers. 3 года назад +1

      @@HoneyEggs No

    • @HoneyEggs
      @HoneyEggs 3 года назад

      @@jsmithers. yes it is

    • @jsmithers.
      @jsmithers. 3 года назад +1

      @@HoneyEggs Wrong

  • @marcushamner5994
    @marcushamner5994 3 года назад +3

    0:30 I’m hyped for the music too, brother. Kazuya is awesome. I love Tekken.

    • @skibel
      @skibel 3 года назад +1

      I heard bit crusher from 4 and I'm more excited about that then the character in general

    • @marcushamner5994
      @marcushamner5994 3 года назад

      @@skibel Me too lol. Tekken’s music is the best. I like ALL of Nintendo’s music.😊🤘🏾

  • @DoggyP00
    @DoggyP00 3 года назад +6

    Sakurai has said that he's retiring and that he's never making any more smash since release smash 4

  • @TheLivingSeven
    @TheLivingSeven 3 года назад +3

    That Mii Fighter reveal was a fucking massacre.
    And you know why Sora isn't deconfirmed : ^)

  • @doclouis4236
    @doclouis4236 3 года назад +19

    Welp, looks like Kazuya isn't just a typical "fighting game" archetype character anymore.
    His whole moveset makes him scary to fight against, not to mention that he has good recovery.

    • @SkyBlitz64
      @SkyBlitz64 3 года назад +5

      Makes sense, considering he survived several drops to the bottom of a volcano.

    • @reicherwallace6774
      @reicherwallace6774 3 года назад +3

      And has wings

  • @zam50
    @zam50 3 года назад +3

    the music is so gonna slap

  • @GaijinController
    @GaijinController 3 года назад +14

    The animations are the same as they are in tekken

    • @t.bjammer6236
      @t.bjammer6236 3 года назад +1

      Exactly. What is he talking about?

  • @katzuma7641
    @katzuma7641 3 года назад +3

    The fact that these people in the chat are calling him a shoto proves how little smash fans Actually know about fighting games

    • @CharroArgentino
      @CharroArgentino 3 года назад +1

      Pretty sure that's a joke, Maximilian Dood always jokes about Kazuya being a shoto.

    • @katzuma7641
      @katzuma7641 3 года назад

      @@CharroArgentino to be fair, it’s hard to tell if they are joking or not

    • @RJALEXANDER777
      @RJALEXANDER777 3 года назад

      Tbh between the lasers and the simplified motion inputs he kinda is a Shoto in this game unlike in Tekken.

    • @sage798
      @sage798 3 года назад +1

      You should prolly not take chat seriously at any given moment

  • @skydreamsans5356
    @skydreamsans5356 3 года назад +5

    We've bien all waiting for the Dovahkiin Mii and Dante Mii

  • @thelordoftheweebs9501
    @thelordoftheweebs9501 3 года назад +1

    The best part and biggest reason why I might main (though definitely try) kazuta is because we don't need to press A light or hard. Least not for many moves.
    Although I wish maybe we could have had more stage cameos for the mishima temple.
    Anyways I'm hyped!

  • @NeVii_Collects
    @NeVii_Collects 3 года назад +2

    #Sora4Smash lives on. The tables been wiped clean for Sora

  • @Kjernekar
    @Kjernekar 3 года назад +4

    moonsiders is infinite azure btw.

  • @quehay45
    @quehay45 3 года назад +1

    37:26 It's satisfying to see how fast and efficiently karma got this guy. Was making fun of Lloyd and Skyrim and then BOOM.

  • @shvrkkii
    @shvrkkii 3 года назад +2

    now begins the part where I watch the streams I couldn't see

  • @CarbonMalite
    @CarbonMalite 3 года назад +9

    My least favorite thing about Ken Ryu is that you pretty much have to use C stick for aerials because of the restrictive command input system but Kazuya doesn't seem to have that problem which I'll be looking forward to

    • @ZoofyZoof
      @ZoofyZoof 3 года назад

      I'm not even a competitive player but I simply can't imagine NOT using the c-stick for aerials.

  • @lames_jahey9734
    @lames_jahey9734 3 года назад +11

    (Tries to convince the masses that Smash is "simply a childrens party game")
    - - -
    5 seconds later
    - - -
    (Starts getting into frame data, fighting game design, and hitboxes.)

  • @darekichinose1034
    @darekichinose1034 3 года назад +1

    He looks crazy and im all for it

  • @RisingRevenger
    @RisingRevenger 3 года назад +16

    they should have just added big lebowski to the game

  • @imaginatorr
    @imaginatorr 3 года назад +2

    Leffen back!! Main this dude!

  • @yes4me
    @yes4me 3 года назад +1

    you know LTG can't wait to spam the fireball...

  • @PacNerd
    @PacNerd 3 года назад +6

    Go boxing ring

  • @steveypeppers9324
    @steveypeppers9324 3 года назад

    Been looking forward to your opinion on this

  • @Nekotaku_TV
    @Nekotaku_TV 3 года назад +1

    30:55 He meant spoiler for Smash.
    Almost every move in the game kills... just depends on the percentage.

    • @MetaKnightX6
      @MetaKnightX6 3 года назад

      Not sure about Mario neutral b unless you are like well offstage at 999% and right by the blast zone

  • @reicherwallace6774
    @reicherwallace6774 3 года назад +1

    I felt that pain. Seeing Dante deconfirmed

  • @bowmain1577
    @bowmain1577 3 года назад +3

    I'm super excited for Kazuya, I've played some tekken, and have watched and researched a lot about it, so im very interested to see how he plays.
    I honestly feel a lot peoples first impressions are missing one key factor, his crouch dash. In tekken Kazuyas crouch dash is the center of how he plays and puts the rest of his kit together. I feel its gonna be the same here, if Kazuyas crouch dash is great, he's a great character, if its bad, he sucks.

  • @tinyt.w.i.m7291
    @tinyt.w.i.m7291 3 года назад +1

    Editor cracked

  • @sheldonsights7698
    @sheldonsights7698 3 года назад

    Hey I remember the title said "I'd rather have Sora" when Byleth was revealed while everyone else was actually expecting Dante back then, Leffen brought one this Upton himself. I'll see you when Sora's revealed or he's a mii costume when Bubsy is announced as the final character.

  • @mmortal8183
    @mmortal8183 3 года назад +1

    Beam. Beam. Beam.

  • @OneAndOnlyZekePolaris
    @OneAndOnlyZekePolaris Год назад

    If I type Kazuya reveal reaction, it brings up Min Min...

  • @ShroudedStep
    @ShroudedStep 3 года назад +1

    "In tekken there's no quarter circles really"
    As a Bryan Fury main I feel offended
    Also Akuma and Geese are in Tekken 7

  • @marcushamner5994
    @marcushamner5994 3 года назад +1

    Kazuya has been in 2D games before like Street Fighter vs Tekken, so it was easy lol. Sakurai knows about frame data too.

  • @ph1lny3
    @ph1lny3 3 года назад +1

    I'm a little confused, because I definitely heard Infinite Azure being played during the showcase stream, but it doesn't show up on the song list. I'm assuming it is listed as some other name like "training theme" or something like that.

    • @charlierose7153
      @charlierose7153 3 года назад

      It's there, called 'Moonsiders 1st'

    • @ph1lny3
      @ph1lny3 3 года назад

      @@charlierose7153 Ah, that makes sense, thanks

  • @mrmaan7631
    @mrmaan7631 3 года назад +1

    So lemme get this straight
    He has zoner options
    He has command grabs
    He’s basically invincible
    He has super armor
    He has more true combos than hairs on my head
    He’s a heavy
    He has a good recovery and it has a hit box
    He has smash 4 limit
    And he’s my new main?

    • @Yokai_Yuri
      @Yokai_Yuri 3 года назад

      Yeah, a lame carry character for those who can't play the game. Imagine losing with that kind of character? Yikes.

    • @mrmaan7631
      @mrmaan7631 3 года назад

      @@Yokai_Yuri I play fox bro
      I need something to be happy about

    • @josiahvfx
      @josiahvfx 3 года назад +1

      @@Yokai_Yuri chill

    • @orangeslash1667
      @orangeslash1667 2 года назад

      @@mrmaan7631 but he's harder to master than Ryu!!!!!!

  • @RellekEarth
    @RellekEarth 3 года назад

    Yesss. This is the Little Mac mod I have been looking for!

  • @averagejoe3099
    @averagejoe3099 3 года назад +9

    Of course Sakurai lost to min min the queen of mashing/spamming but he outspammed them all in the end, that gameplay was priceless 🤣

  • @r0yals1n37
    @r0yals1n37 3 года назад

    rip dante i screamed and cried a little when i saw it live

  • @seand2100
    @seand2100 3 года назад

    Leffens hair looking pretty clean

  • @CT-yc4gd
    @CT-yc4gd 3 года назад

    Given the 6 month waiting period, I have the last character will actually be 2 characters released at once.

  • @nameputhpong9041
    @nameputhpong9041 3 года назад

    i like how it looks like they designed his gameplay to play like how a person who just picked up tekken would THINK Kazuya would play like. 10 hit combos, lasers, unsafe big moves.

  • @Unrelenting3
    @Unrelenting3 3 года назад

    It looks like characters hit *by* Kazuya don't get put into hitstun before they get launched. That might mean *you can't DI against Kazuya*.

  • @CroissantsSlay
    @CroissantsSlay 3 года назад

    sakurai really likes wings
    joker,sephiroth, and now kazuya

    • @ZoofyZoof
      @ZoofyZoof 3 года назад

      I don't think characters having wings mean Sakurai likes wings

  • @Crzypengu
    @Crzypengu 3 года назад +1

    They did Dante dirty.

  • @d9_1056
    @d9_1056 3 года назад

    Some moves are memes at a competitive level, but quadruple spin kick fucked all of us up when we were kids.

  • @dreninho5691
    @dreninho5691 3 года назад

    I know that I don't have the time or drive to get good at this character, as there still isn't one that I am great with, BUT DAMN! I AM SCARED TO FIGHT HIM!

  • @martindrouin6547
    @martindrouin6547 3 года назад

    I hope they announce mii costumes first for the last character

  • @duffman1876
    @duffman1876 3 года назад

    Ahh remember the Hero days? He gone love them now with Kazuya here LOL😂🍻🍺

  • @Andrew-oq5gi
    @Andrew-oq5gi 3 года назад

    really good video :)

  • @loganreidy7055
    @loganreidy7055 3 года назад

    I think the weirdest thing is that he has 0 freeze frames. He basically always has melee cc active at low percents, he can combine this with ultimate cc to punish you for attacking him with low knocback combo starters. This makes up for his poor oos and bad frame data. Also why does everything have armor / partial invincibility?

  • @OneAndOnlyZekePolaris
    @OneAndOnlyZekePolaris Год назад

    Can't find the reveal reaction video for this...

  • @yorkie4295
    @yorkie4295 2 года назад

    Joker’s moveset works way better for dante, but we don’t gotta talk about that

  • @starparik
    @starparik 3 года назад +6

    Either Kazuya will be God Tier or lowest tier. There will be no middle ground for sure.

    • @hotboykaise
      @hotboykaise 3 года назад

      The laser alone puts him above some mid tiers.... He definitely won't be low tier.

    • @Gankstomper
      @Gankstomper 3 года назад +3

      This is lipservice. People say this without having any logic behind it just to sound like they know what they're talking about. Pure stupidity

  • @Rhyme_Time
    @Rhyme_Time 3 года назад +1

    Leffen "Turbo Tekken fan" Hjelte back at it again

  • @MichailKrabs
    @MichailKrabs 3 года назад

    Mii costume Dante.
    Pain.

  • @AcreKlein
    @AcreKlein 3 года назад

    37:51 Karma hits hard :p

  • @ezip8564
    @ezip8564 3 года назад

    AND a release tomorrow? this is crazy

  • @nightshadeii9248
    @nightshadeii9248 3 года назад

    “Kazuya is -insane- broken.” - Fix’d.

  • @Jknight416
    @Jknight416 3 года назад

    I can’t believe I woke up just to find out that my boi Dante has been deconfirmed as a Mii fighter

  • @thatlonzoguy
    @thatlonzoguy 3 года назад

    Electric fountain remix hype

  • @jordannelson1910
    @jordannelson1910 3 года назад

    Kazuya's P8 alternate is just Dio

  • @lilcyrusj
    @lilcyrusj 3 года назад +4

    He needs a video about Technicals not Kazuya

  • @blendyblender5230
    @blendyblender5230 3 года назад

    I'm so confused by what he said that tekken doesn't even have rage? Like what. There's rage drive too

  • @MrHxChris
    @MrHxChris 3 года назад

    I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE BOTHERED BY THE ANIMATIONS!!! Like sometimes his joints don’t looks right, and it’s just… weird.

  • @orionl.8491
    @orionl.8491 3 года назад +2

    poor kazuya and his melee range... and his devil blaster and his command grab and his aimbot turnaround and his shield break combos and his passive super armor and his super armor on smash attacks and his one button kill combos and his comeback mechanic and his 300 moves and his mf devil blaster

    • @scottiedarko7951
      @scottiedarko7951 3 года назад +2

      Don't forget his semi invincible wavedash with built in combostarter/kill move!

  • @malachishaner690
    @malachishaner690 3 года назад

    Sword leg laser beam devil gonna be a pretty gud character ay?

  • @gamermasta525
    @gamermasta525 3 года назад +1

    Actually there are many characters in the game and if you don't like Kazuya you can play as the many others. I find your negativity to be the actual toxic thing.

    • @mathunit1
      @mathunit1 3 года назад

      Leffen and toxicity go together like peanut butter and jelly. :P

  • @Mecha82
    @Mecha82 3 года назад +1

    Smash players calling every FG character shoto without even knowing what shoto is is meme by itself. Too bad that they do it seriously without any hint of irony.

  • @NabaniSaa
    @NabaniSaa 3 года назад

    It says Smash x Dante, so it still leaves an opportunity for someone like Vergil or Nero to make it in. I'd actually be really hype for Zero though.

  • @goldoozaru
    @goldoozaru 3 года назад

    "why do kazuya has comeback mechanics" cuz is Tekken biiattch! tekken 7 has rage

    • @CharroArgentino
      @CharroArgentino 3 года назад

      Rage was introduced in 6, and 7 gave him Rage Drive.

  • @matthewmorrison3745
    @matthewmorrison3745 3 года назад +1

    I always knew Sakurai was a filthy spammer

  • @AngiShyGuy
    @AngiShyGuy 3 года назад

    8:08
    Notice the chat start to erupt with Jojo references
    If anyone cares:
    Heaven's Door is the name of a Stand in JJBA: Diamond is Unbreakable, belonging to the user Rohan Kishibe.

  • @pupusas975
    @pupusas975 3 года назад

    I agree with the animations but it's because they're staying true to the robotic stiffness from Tekken.

  • @TheDool
    @TheDool 3 года назад

    I cant believe they deconfirmed Skyrimguy

  • @troublesomesheep
    @troublesomesheep 3 года назад +1

    When I play ultimate with my friends we do no items + final smash meter lol

  • @str4koss86
    @str4koss86 3 года назад

    Sakurai is a nice player a example spam neutral b and win all game

  • @jjc3272
    @jjc3272 3 года назад

    What did he say around 34:10? I couldn't hear from the laughing and there are no CCs.

  • @nixuniverse5240
    @nixuniverse5240 3 года назад

    If y'all thought watching Jab Jab Power Dunk 400 times a match was bad, just imagine having to watch a 5-6 combo of someone literally mashing the A button.

  • @BeretBay
    @BeretBay 3 года назад +3

    34:52 Noobs! Can't even recognize the Tekken soundtracks that you like.

  • @jonteguy
    @jonteguy 3 года назад

    Yeah..he's good. Can't wait to see how Riddles play him. You as well, ofc.
    Jkpg > Shtlm.

  • @PikminandOatchi
    @PikminandOatchi 3 года назад +1

    Kazuya isn't a shoto in any sense whatsoever.

    • @theedwardian
      @theedwardian 3 года назад

      The death of language. This is why elites only bothered to educate within their own circles. Teaching plebs new words always results in them cheapening the word and over-extending its meaning until it encompasses everything and becomes meaningless.

  • @sirvirgo1705
    @sirvirgo1705 3 года назад

    Watching leffen, nairo, marss, and hungrybox at the same time for this was definitely worth it. I've opened a third eye for smash