20:58 I literally laughed out loud and considered shedding a tear when Sakurai said "I'd like to think that it lived up to those high expectations." Uhhhh, yeah I'd say it lived up to the hype, and still does 21 years later.
@@nicohalt3165 Sakurai intended for Smash to not have combos, Smash doesn't have traditional combos but the game evolved so that functionally it's similar to the other fighting game's 0-death combos that he attempted to avoid in the first place and thus creating a disparity between noobs and pros.
@@tiporosso I think the idea with the super high hitstun in 64 was so that you didn't have to be a pro to pull off combos. In 64, the difficulty doesn't come from stringing moves together, instead the difficulty comes from knowing how to most effectively push your punish game. Sakurai was a fan of KOF so I imagine he liked combos, he just wanted them to be more accessible for new players.
Leffen back in about 2011 you were competing in a random Australian local tournament and me and my friend saw you. To this day I've wondered what you were doing in the most remote Aussie town competing in a small local tournament?
No hate towards L-canceling (it feels pretty good to execute IMO and helps to get into a flow state) but it definitely seems unnecessary to me. “Mindless execution test” isn’t far off.
I played smash 64 for like 10 years before I found out about l cancels. Why they didn’t include it in the ‘how to play’ part of the opening, idk. As an avid fan of the game for many years it kinda pisses me off. Like how many people did they really expect to see it when they put it on that website?
Sakurai blatantly stated that he was "aware" that wavedashing was in Melee, but he didn't intend for it to be used the way it is today. m So in other words he just didn't think Melee players would take wavedashing as far as it did.
love the cheeky ending "quess you won't know how good the game was cuz its an old and outdated game... unless😏" Also, i believe i remember hearing about Sakurai explaining wavedashing in an old forum, AKA not a glitch.
i wish he talked about melee more .... why certain things ended up the way they did. di, traction, fall speed. adding more characters, why they made pichu so bad. why mew2 is so light. etc
Pichu was the standard Joke Character, which tend to be designed intentionally flawed and became a common thing in Fighting games with other characters like Dan or Roll. They even continued the trend with Ultimate introducing Piranha Plant.
Sales and marketing teams have no business making huge decisions about any game they've never played. Play the game and see how "bad" it is for yourself or step aside.
I love his reasoning behind combos. Smash is very freeform with "combos", other "traditional" fighting games are way more rigid and complex. Complexity can be good if done right, but hinder the game if done wrong. Its not really fun to go into training and practice combos and links honestly. Combos should be open-ended with some limiter while allowing the player to do them in many ways, like Smash does. The motions for certain moves can be fun to see matched on screen like the shoryuken, but training and memorizing specific link combos is certainly not. Smash is the best example of easy to learn hard to master for fighting games, sort of like how Counter-Strike has that title for FPS. There is enough learning skill and nuance for the skill ceiling to still be high despite not having these overly complex combos and mechanics.
Just think about how little time they took to make a game like Melee, vs Pokemon Scarlet and Violet today. Don't get me wrong, the Pokemon & world are cool, but it has so many glitches etc.
Not the same era, not the same team, not the same systems that they’re developing and vastly different genres. I can’t express enough how much work was put into the smash franchise but we can’t pretend like the Pokémon devs don’t try, they do the most that they can with dev crunch and a limited time
My biggest issue with L-cancelling is just my giant hands/long fingers being scrunched to hit the button over and over on a GC controller. I just wish the shoulder buttons/grip/ergonomics of GC controllers were a lot closer to today's controllers.
@@jmarq753 I tried, Sakurai said long combos ruin strategy and then I remember the whole limit joke. Then I combined the two at the same time while poking fun at Leffen 😎
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I won’t but still happy for you and anyone who does lol
Highly recommend everyone doing their research on Finasteride before even taking that
This is a great example of why fox specifically needs a dash dance limit.
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BRUH have you seen Marth's dash?????
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this is either bait or egregious
@@king_hamlet watch the Leffen rant at Hbox near the end of the Ludwig Smash invitational
20:58 I literally laughed out loud and considered shedding a tear when Sakurai said "I'd like to think that it lived up to those high expectations." Uhhhh, yeah I'd say it lived up to the hype, and still does 21 years later.
The irony of smash 64 is that it has some of the most brutal combos of any smash game
Explain where the irony is please
@@nicohalt3165 Sakurai intended for Smash to not have combos, Smash doesn't have traditional combos but the game evolved so that functionally it's similar to the other fighting game's 0-death combos that he attempted to avoid in the first place and thus creating a disparity between noobs and pros.
@@tiporosso I think the idea with the super high hitstun in 64 was so that you didn't have to be a pro to pull off combos. In 64, the difficulty doesn't come from stringing moves together, instead the difficulty comes from knowing how to most effectively push your punish game. Sakurai was a fan of KOF so I imagine he liked combos, he just wanted them to be more accessible for new players.
Absolutely do a video on L cancelling. It's a really interesting topic/debate and everyone is either really bad at talking about it or uninformed
Wave dashing was acknowledged by Sakurai himself on the Melee DOJO!! website.
Leffen back in about 2011 you were competing in a random Australian local tournament and me and my friend saw you. To this day I've wondered what you were doing in the most remote Aussie town competing in a small local tournament?
1:27 sakurai was planning for kazuya since way back
10:04 Good news about Rivals of Aether, which does exactly that!
Will there be a continuation of the bronol docs reaction some day? Your input on them could really be super interesting!
Yes!
@@l3ff3n Yes !
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14:44 I would _love_ to see your take on an L cancelling video👍
L canceling vid would be sick, too many people think it's just a mindless execution test.
And these people are right
@@quantum_leap786 someone who cant l cancel
No hate towards L-canceling (it feels pretty good to execute IMO and helps to get into a flow state) but it definitely seems unnecessary to me. “Mindless execution test” isn’t far off.
@@quantum_leap786 Nah, it really isn't. There's actually a ton of depth to the mechanic!
I played smash 64 for like 10 years before I found out about l cancels. Why they didn’t include it in the ‘how to play’ part of the opening, idk. As an avid fan of the game for many years it kinda pisses me off. Like how many people did they really expect to see it when they put it on that website?
Other fighting games are cage matches, but sumo wrestling is the og platform fighter.
Wavedash isn't an accident. Sakuri posted this on some forum somewhere in like '02.
Mechanic was intended, nothing that came from it was
Sakurai blatantly stated that he was "aware" that wavedashing was in Melee, but he didn't intend for it to be used the way it is today. m So in other words he just didn't think Melee players would take wavedashing as far as it did.
It would be cool to see you do an L-Canceling video. I personally love the mechanic but there’s been lots of discussion lately about it
I believe the Smash Dojo existed all the up until Brawl (own childhood memory), before being retired in favor of the regular website.
This man is still getting respected
I really enjoyed this video, I'd love to see another like this about L-canceling!
Been awhile since I’ve seen a vid from here
Great video Leffen Ty !!
L cancelling video would be awesome
Wave dashing is intentional
Not in the way it's used now
So glad you’re posting again!
One of the greatest video game franchises started out looking like a flash game from the early 2000s. #humblebeginnings
love the cheeky ending "quess you won't know how good the game was cuz its an old and outdated game... unless😏"
Also, i believe i remember hearing about Sakurai explaining wavedashing in an old forum, AKA not a glitch.
Slime didn’t deserve that callout :(
Leffen watches Kenny for real?
i wish he talked about melee more .... why certain things ended up the way they did. di, traction, fall speed. adding more characters, why they made pichu so bad. why mew2 is so light. etc
Yes give us the answers about most clone chars being so bad
Pichu was the standard Joke Character, which tend to be designed intentionally flawed and became a common thing in Fighting games with other characters like Dan or Roll. They even continued the trend with Ultimate introducing Piranha Plant.
That's goes against the concept of the whole channel
Need more leffen RUclips content!!!
Sales and marketing teams have no business making huge decisions about any game they've never played. Play the game and see how "bad" it is for yourself or step aside.
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I love his reasoning behind combos. Smash is very freeform with "combos", other "traditional" fighting games are way more rigid and complex. Complexity can be good if done right, but hinder the game if done wrong. Its not really fun to go into training and practice combos and links honestly. Combos should be open-ended with some limiter while allowing the player to do them in many ways, like Smash does. The motions for certain moves can be fun to see matched on screen like the shoryuken, but training and memorizing specific link combos is certainly not.
Smash is the best example of easy to learn hard to master for fighting games, sort of like how Counter-Strike has that title for FPS. There is enough learning skill and nuance for the skill ceiling to still be high despite not having these overly complex combos and mechanics.
Is dark souls pvp a fighting game?
I was born on smash 64 it has a special meaning for me ❤
Just think about how little time they took to make a game like Melee, vs Pokemon Scarlet and Violet today. Don't get me wrong, the Pokemon & world are cool, but it has so many glitches etc.
Dude Melee came with awful crunch and very hard work it wasn't overnight
Not the same era, not the same team, not the same systems that they’re developing and vastly different genres. I can’t express enough how much work was put into the smash franchise but we can’t pretend like the Pokémon devs don’t try, they do the most that they can with dev crunch and a limited time
My biggest issue with L-cancelling is just my giant hands/long fingers being scrunched to hit the button over and over on a GC controller. I just wish the shoulder buttons/grip/ergonomics of GC controllers were a lot closer to today's controllers.
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Watching your vids is like being in an abusive relationship
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There should be a combo limit 😡
Wow so funny so original of you
there should be an original joke limit
@@Anthony-zl7yz leffen meatrider?
@@jmarq753 lol
@@jmarq753 I tried, Sakurai said long combos ruin strategy and then I remember the whole limit joke. Then I combined the two at the same time while poking fun at Leffen 😎
Post more vids please
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Naruto fighting game when?
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