We put 7 RID modules on ONE drone | This is what happened
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2023
- See what happens when seven Remote ID modules are placed on one drone. Ken talks to the general public about RID.
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Hey, the reason we had two drop out was die to them mistakenly running in the network rid mode and as we don't pay for such, we hit the free limit and they quit broadcasting. The app used was OpenDrone ID, it is in the app store. The accuracy, well 🤣.
I can not find OpenDrone ID in the app store.
@@mcphoto2023 In the play store type it in as one word in the search box, opendroneid should come right up.
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Best ones are the ones that failed
Can we're Ken no remote ID screw that whole damn thing
Spastic freaks are worried that were looking at them with our drones well we're not and I say tell you this no remote ID I'm not doing it no bacon they can eat the damn remote ID I'm not doing it I'm not doing none of it😢😢
I'm going to fly my drone and they can suck it f*** remote ID ain't doing it I ain't doing it no I'm not even taken I'm not registering it I'm not going to take the damn trust test I'm not taking none of it when they send me a damn check I might think about doing what they want me to do until then screw it they can eat it
I love watching Ken's videos. He is such a nice guy who can manage to convey a serious messsge in a humoristic way. 😅
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I genuinely think what I took away from this video, and frankly ive known this all along deep down, but this video highlights a very important fact !! People dont know what remote id is, but when you tell them its just to track us drone operators so everybody knows who we are and where we are, then it sounds like a great idea to everybody !! However, if you explain to them in a more detailed manor about what implications this actually has and what an invasion of privacy it it, then it all of a sudden doesnt seem like a good idea... This is exactly how the Faa have cleverly implemented it and viewed it to the public, [without the details].. They just make it sound like mehh its good for you and everybody else..
The “winner” is the one that doesn’t work well. Right?
Of course, remote id sucks,
They also decrease the battery life of your drone.
Ken's quickly becoming my favorite voice in FPV.
Bardwells basically a diety and Bots his "evil" counterpart, and I love them both, but I'm pretty far from either knowledge or ability wise.
These last few videos from Ken make me feel like I'm watching my awesome uncle who just wants everyone to understand what's happening and have fun doing it.
Keep it up, Ken!
Well, thank you Josh. ☺️
You are a loveable dude
I want the legal Remote ID with the poorest performance possible.
Would have been interesting if to another group of the public you had explained remote ID in a slightly different way.
Such as "if your kids or family are out flying model planes, this will allow strangers to track them down to where they are standing and potentially confront them if they (the strangers) don't like the idea of models being flown there".
My guess is you'd get different answers.
Ima buy the cheapest available and not give a sht how well it works… it’s on there
Even if it is out of the range of the pilot, it is still within range of any Karens that might be below it
You weren't kidding about that malicious compliance! LOVE IT
So if you're doing a drone swarm show. Every drone will need a module since a performance is pt 107. Boy that's going to be pricey!
Yup
How about we make all dog owners put a dog ID tag, that broadcasts the dog owner's name & address!
Then, after we do that, ask those dog owners if they think remote ID sounds like a good thing.
I wonder if they would be more or less happy about it, if such a thing was broadcasting their info?
For safety.
I've had RID for 8 years now. With a passport and a visa, living in another country with no FAA, 107, mandatory registration, unless drone weighs more then 15 lbs, I'm free flying
Sounds like the FAA is doing what the EPA & ATF were doing …. overreaching?
Can’t create laws
I have one of the good modules. I have it mountid on my car and have it active all the time I am driving.
Now it's a GPS tracker for your car. ?
I love listening to you in the morning. Im happy you and JC promoted your channel otherwise I would have never found it.
Oh that's great!
Glad you're tuning in.
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Keep the remote ID songs coming....We need a hit to get the message out!
You are funny, entertaining and informative. That's a great combination. I just now found you and subscribed immediately.
Welcome aboard!
Thank you. Glad you found us! 🤓
Oh man, what I could do with an abandoned airport!
I know, just a fun place to be at.
I think you are hands down one of my favorite personalities I have seen on youtube! Thanks for the excellent video, great fun to watch! :)
Wow, thank you!
I love the Remote ID song. That guy needs to win an award for that.
OK, what about parasails, ultra lights, kits, small planes. RC planes/helicopters, are those drones?🤷♂F big brother.
Thanks Ken and crew for the demo
Everyone that thinks this is a good idea,ask them if they want one on their car. Opinion will change instantly.
Ken, you would be fun to hang with for a day :)
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Great video..... I'm in the UK so currently not needing remote ID. However it's coming....
So videos like this are great as I'd be wanting to buy the worst performing.....
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People are clueless about this. Would you like the government to put an AirTag on your car?… This is how I feel about remote ID
So the best ones are the ones that drop first and take the longest to come back right? 🤣🤣
Entertaining and informitive at the same time, thanks for helping raise awareness on this topic.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video Ken. It's nice to see this and maybe calm down about rid.
Tell the FAA they need to be defunded..
I personally feel that if we ARE broadcasting our Remote ID and being tracked, WE should be notified by the remote monitoring app, that we ARE being tracked by someone nearby.
That way, we can be more prepared for the "Karen's" out there that are so paranoid about drone flying in that area. I have actually been accosted by 3 individuals who one of them got nose to nose with me, threatening me with bodily harm... unfortunately, I was not "equipped" for this and was alone at the time.
I AM better prepared (where legal)....Also equipped with body camera.
I also DID go back and fly on another day... :)
The FAA doesn't have the authority to regulate hobby and toy airplanes. The FAA exists under the interstate commerce clause to regulate commercial aviation, not toys. Toy airplanes don't fly interstate! The Academy of Model Aeronautics, in coordination with the Hobby industry needs to hire constitutional attorney's to put an end to the nonsense. If states and cities want to make and enforce rules as to where you can fly these toys, then okay, likely some rules are needed. But those rules shouldn't apply everywhere.
Ken Heron is a National Treasure.💯🤙🏾
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Very Funny Comparison Video. We Need To Know What Are The Best Ones To Get. I Look Forward To Your Future Videos, On Testing and Comparing The Remote ID'S That Are Available, and That FAA Will Approve So All Of Us Part 107 Pilots Will Be Protected. Thank You Ken, Keith, and Barkley.
RemoteID is one of the most stupid thing I ever heard of.
Entertaining and informational. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
We need RID on baseballs, footballs and golf balls at least. Rid needs to be required for the FAA because their heads are in the clouds. Fun video thanks
Kites and party balloons also important as they shut down airports…. And most importantly weather ballon’s
I think rid will pretty much ruin the drone community 😢. It will let everyone know where you are and what you are flying and this will invite unwanted possible trouble.
Most drone flyers are responsible flyers with safety always on mind. I'm not looking forward to this when it goes in effect.
Thank you so very much Ken 👋 and have a great weekend everyone.
Clearly the self-certification (by way of compliance declaration) isn't working because most of these RID modules fail to meet the accuracy levels mandated by the RID rule. The whole RID thing is turning into a bigger joke than anyone could have imagined.
Yesssss. So much this. The RID units they had were working perfectly well until they got about 2k ft out, and all of them failed for the same reason. If this were after Sept., ALL of those flights SHOULD be reported for having lost RID contact. Malicious compliance could flood the FAA with false positives, but even this test demonstrates as it stands right now: these units will never be able to track long-range pilots. This will ONLY track pilots flying NEAR enough for the BT signal to work. I'll bet Ken had full video from the Phantom the whole time. BT RID is a joke that could be simulated with a free phone app as follows: report pilot location and home point, start UAS location there, travel in random direction 2k ft and stop reporting. Done. Also, what happens if you want to fly a DJI Avata indoors after RID is required?
@@coalfpv Regarding RID indoors... the FAA says that RID is not required for indoor flight -- but they also say that it must not be able to be disabled by the drone owner and it must be "tamper resistant". How's that going to work then? 🙂
@@coalfpv On the drone's return, not all fo the RID modules were still producing a working signal and the RID rule says:
The reported geometric position of the unmanned aircraft and the control station must be accurate to within 100 feet of the true position, with 95 percent probability.
The reported geometric altitude of the control station must be accurate to within 15 feet of the true geometric altitude, with 95 percent probability
The reported geometric altitude of the unmanned aircraft must be accurate to within 150 feet of the true geometric altitude, with 95 percent probability
Clearly, on the way out, several of the modules failed to report accurate positions for the drone -- they appeared to be hundreds of feet behind the actual position of the drone (as reported by the drone's telemetry and a couple of the modules that were working in compliance with the rule). Also, on the return of the drone to the tent, several of the modules were reporting *nothing*.
Self-compliance is what got the Boeing 737 Max8 into trouble... now it looks as if RID will also fall victim to this. However, there is no alternative -- if we're to have that promised $50 RID module that the FAA speaks of. It's almost as if the FAA *wants* RID to fail isn't it?????
I just wanna know which one lost single first 😂
Ken, which ones failed first? As a 'good' part 107 remote pilot I'd 'hate' to use a module that has is approved but has the shortest range.
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I must say that I'm to agree with you to tell the FAA to take a high dive into a low bucket of dung. Thank you fellas for all you do keep on flying over an out
RID he's not going to do with the FAA says, hello surveillance of rogue drone pilots because it's not accurate enough nor does it broadcast very far away. So therefore the intent must be something else. The goal is to make it so that drone and RC fixed-wing pilot cannot legally fly. This will clear the air space for the big corporate commercial drone companies.
Good fun video guys.... See you on the next one!
So....just a thought. If you're flying respectfully where you're allowed, but RID is showing you somewhere else, couldn't that inaccuracy pose a problem? Some Karen just might accuse you something you didn't do (like fly over her swimming pool when she was tanning naked....not like that ever happened ya know). Or the FAA might be calling asking why are you flying there.....umm. What possible could go wrong?
Good question would it open you up to prosecution because of inaccuracies? I'd like to know
This makes me wonder just how many politicians own stock in these companies making these invasive trackers. I have been flying R.C. since I was in my teens and I'm 66 now, started with Estes rockets, I have 7 R.C. aircraft and 3 drones and will not be running RID on any of them. I complied with the first go around with registering and marking them, it stops here.
"Malicious compliance", I love it! Great song at the end as well.
Amazing video as always ken . Thank you for this scientific experiment . And now the remote id song will be in my head forever . It will have a permanent file in my brain lol . Looks like you guys had a good time doing this and flying most importantly . Hope to get the honor of meeting and flying with you one day Mr. Heron I want to take pics in the cop car and orbit it lol 🤘💀🤘 .
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Lmao ken always doin crazy shi😂
You should bring attention to the fact that remote id broadcasts the pilot location. Not there is an app the public can use to find them. We don't need to be letting that information out. The public does not need to know what app, where to find it or what. It's not there job. I don't want to get bothered by some random person while I'm out doing work.
Thanks for the comparison
What Part 107 pilots could do if they were interested in "malicious compliance" is to get the cheapest and/or the worst performing Remote ID module on the market and fly with those. The ones with the least range or the least accurate in relaying location information.
network rid is coming...... ALL DJI drones are NETWORK BASED RID
It's amazing how many people are ignorant enough to accept being surveilled.
The regs do not say that you can not have multiple modules on a single drone. It just says that it must have a remote ID module that is broadcasting RID message elements.
Here's the response I received from the FAA when I inquired about it!
The answer is dependent upon the operating rule you are flying under.
Recreational flyers essentially register themselves as a hobbyist. They receive a single registration number, which applies to all of the drones they own. If they opt to comply with the remote ID rule by using a single broadcast module for their inventory, then they register the broadcast module remote ID serial number, then list as inventory all of the drones they will fly with that module.
Part 107 requires each drone to be registered individually by make/model/serial number. Each drone must carry its own unique registration number. Additionally, 14 CFR Part 48.110(7) states, "The serial number of a remote identification broadcast module provided in this application must not be listed on more than one Certificate of Aircraft Registration at the same time." The practical result is under Part 107, each aircraft must have its own broadcast module. The registrant will individually register each aircraft using its remote ID broadcast module's serial number.
Hey Ken we proud that you still using p4p.
May I recommend you wrap the RIDs in aluminum foil.
nice experiment, now if i put those modules in my car and drive down the highway will the app know that i am driving and not flying 👏👏👏👍👍👍👌👌👌
Hi Ken, Great video and information about Remote ID. Please for your next video put it on your FPV quad
Id love to see the same video of this, but done using the internal R-ID of the DJI drones like an Avata or something similar VS the aftermarket module's, and how the range is on the dji drones VS these modules here..
Ken… I reallly loved your shirt and the prelude to this episode.😂
Thank you very much!
I’m still trying to understand how this is suppose to work and the requirements. It was my understanding that any RC aircraft weighing under 0.55 lbs. did not require RID. Is this correct? I mostly fly small cheap “foamy flyers” and they are all under that weight. I also pretty much don’t even fly above tree-top level. A few years ago when the FAA started with some of these shenanigans I was told I had to notify all airports that I was flying my airplanes if I was within their airspace. When I told them what I was flying, (small 12” or less foam RC airplanes), at treetop level they said that was idiotic that I was contacting them. They said any real airplane flying low enough to where my RC planes would be of concern already has other issues like TREES, HOUSES, TOWERS!!!
Yes, any RC aircraft that are less than 250 grams or 0.55 pounds are exempt from the RID requirement.
If the drone is required to be registered, it will require RID. The only drones not requiring registration are recreational use drones
I think I want to buy the worst performer.... remain in compliance and remain invisible.
I’ve never seen one of your videos this was fun to watch
Hey thanks for stopping by!
Taking it to the public, You go Ken!
Yes interviewing was excellent maybe the FAA can make a response video where they interview some people who have a script to read….
Please recommend the RID with a broadcast radius of less than 1 inch.
Hey Ken! Interesting story, I bought a Beacon, mounted it on the top of my drone, and did a test flight. All went well, then I took it out on a construction site. 7 minutes into a DroneDeploy mission the drone suddenly stopped. I hit return to home, and it started back and stopped again part way back I then landed manually and removed the unit. Apparently if you mount it on top of a DJI P4v2 it can interfere with the drone GPS. Once I removed it the flight went fine. So you might do a video on where to mount those so that the drone is "safer" and not more unreliable.
That was entertaining. This topic reminds of the line, that if you outlaw something, then only the outlaws will have it... but that's just the way it is.
Has no one hacked the firmware to spoof the RID ([edit] or disable it)?
I'm not sure of this guy's channel,but I think Aliendrone has a way to do that. Sorry I couldn't help much
Bardwell just put out a video about spoofing and making fake RID signals
@@tempaux thx - I was just watching Alien Drones channel and he apparently has worked with BlueMark and their DroneBeacon transponder firmware...
Yes, spoofing has already began.
I landed small planes there several times back in the early 1990s. Last time I went over there to fly my drone a few years ago they were plenty of signs put up by the Nashville Metro parks department that clearly said no drones. Have they changed the policy or did you get special permission?
I believe the FAA has only approved 2 modules for use at this point. Might be helpful to list the exact ones that are approved for use.
f the faa
17:14 too funny; thought I saw Barkley on the home approach and was going to ask if it was - BUT sure enough, there he be.
great experiment, for: SCIENCE!
I have no problem complying with remote id. My problem is the modules were supposed to be $50, not $130 and up. Due to high risk flying I use several cheaper DJI drones like the mini se and 2 se that don’t have remote id built in so I’m probably done with those come September.
fit them to all cars, bicycles, trucks, scooters, vans, gliders, light aircraft, microlites and people.....................that'll work.
@Ken Heron - still flying a P4P V1. In the off chance that you see this, what is the rig on your remote that you are using to hold your tablet? The stock on can barely manage my Tripletek.
I don't think I can remember what it's called, but you can find a lot of solutions for that on Amazon. Good luck!
My thing is that people can still come find you standing there to threaten you and now there is just more drones for them to watch...
Ken... YOU ARE THE BEST!
Aww shucks
"so, would you like a remote ID for your car? it's just a digital licence plate but your position and speed will be recorded for safety and ticketing purposes"
It's equivalent to having a license plate and app to track someone using Rollerblades. Except Rollerbladers are far more dangerous than fpv pilots.
Most things are more dangerous than FPV pilots. Making it even more ridiculous that any rc aircraft over 250g is included in the requirement to comply with Remote ID
If you want to be compliant, wouldn’t you want to pick one that fails fast. Not your fault it fails, you tried.
Good video Ken
make a video on how many times the faa will warn you that you need to comply with remote i'd .. what the fine is and how they are going to enforce it. also whats worse flying with out remote id or flying at night without my light. my lights add 30 grams making my mini 2 remote id . so pick one or the other faa lights or remote id.
So, compliance is mid September.....yet when I just now tried to renew my p107 drone registration I could not because it's not RID equipped......usual FAA BS and incompetence.
dont register, go rogue
Hey, what about a part 107 pilot who owns a fleet of drones over 20 for the sole purpose of performing air drone shows (assuming each drone is weighs less than the required amount to register), would RID apply to that individual, or just those who have to legally register their drone based on weight?
Gotta love this it’s gonna fail the RID date just gets pushed back and then fact we still have to pay for it is crazy
You should do a test of a drone with built-in RID. Presumably if your drone is connected to the controller it can also broadcast RID as far as you can control it. Or Do the drones broadcast with a different signal frequency?
Did I read that caption correctly about a firmware update to the Phatom 4 to make it compliant by the end of the year?
I just got me 4 RID spoofers so I would have about 16 running around with my currently non ID drone.
Here in Ireland alot of private planes never use remote ID, but they will still try, and go after drone pilots for any little thing
Great video
No comply like over-comply.
Will the Phantom 3 Pro be supported with firmware update?
Where's my "Buh..... and bye"?
I noticed your comment on the video about the firmware update for the P4P. I guess since DJI doesn't list the P4, I'm out of luck. Really not looking forward to having to buy and add a module onto my drone and not ready to purchase a new drone yet. Maybe the effective start date will get extended.
Its juust variable latency delay in map updating the pin. Probably because of different frequencies used by the modules. Lower frequency = slower update.
is it 250g _before_ or _after_ the payload?
How about remote ID on all politicians?
Don't We the People have a right to monitor the location of our representatives/employers?
@@Quickcat21MK Your comment is a joke and so is your life.
Thats outrageous. A module for each drone! Why?
RF won't bother a magnetic compass but it might bother an electronic compass. Did you calculate a weight and balance for that flight???