It makes no difference whatsoever, what percentage of the general public understand remote ID. The Drone haters and criminals will understand it. That's what matters.
Agree. They may not know now because it doesn't exist but as soon as it does there will be shit all over the place and apps dedicated to track drones and youtube videos teaching how to do that. Why don't they put a tracking ID on guns? No one was killed with a drone. Yet, the regulations are crazy and stupid most of the time and haters range from the homeless people on the streets to big companies and corporates to city and state officials. How long it takes any one to operate a new device or navigate a new app? Not knowing now doesn't mean we are safe in the future
Remote ID is a horrible solution to a non existent problem. Whatever you choose to do, just fly safe! The faa doesn't have drone cops out looking for drones to "pull over". Unless you've done, or are doing something really stupid, local law enforcement couldn't care less! The spoofer ideas look cool however, but definitely not near an airport!!
you're right, the FAA just doesn't have the man-power for policing this division of aviation. have a feeling RID will enable more automated enforcement tbh, since they will be recieving flight data in a much more legible format that integrates with their system. with that said, I'm sure the backend software is engineered to monitor the 1000s of flights every day at scale, and dispatch warnings/fines/etc accordingly with this more enforceable data via snail mail, email, drone zone portal etc.
As a 30 year Commercial rated pilot and a CFI, I cannot believe the extent of overreach exhibited by the FAA with this whole RID implementation. I'm just getting back into RC and as I dig into this, my hair is blown back by he lunacy I am seeing. Forcing people to install broadcast ID systems in their RC aircraft (in particular airplanes, helicopters and gliders) is absurd. I can fly a full size airplane anywhere in the US below 18,000' outside of B, C, or D airspace without an electrical system, radio, or any form of ADSB out equipment. ADSB out is not even required in class D airspace (typically regional airports). I can fly coast to coast without talking to anyone...taking off and landing at any non-towered airport I choose (and there are over 20,000 of them vs 500 towered airports). With reasonable limitations on how close the aircraft can get to people and things, I can operate out of any open field I choose. Ask any bush pilot about that. But HEAVEN FORBID if I take my 1.5 lb Mini Sportster electric RC airplane out into the country...away from the whole world...and fly it for fun with one of the grandkids! You know, the thing is that the FAA doesn't have the wherewithal or resources to enforce any of this. The whole thing is a political scam...designed to make some government bureaucrat look good on TV and in front of Congress. This is just a precursor to the demise of all the other aviation rights we enjoy in the US....just like Europe where there is virtually NO general aviation and hardly one square foot of uncontrolled airspace. Pilot Institute....be aware. All is not rosy with this.
So far While legally flying my drones I have had 2 encounters with law enforcment officers or Rangers. In both cases I had to educate and inform them that my flight operations was legal. I had the relevant documents on my phone to show them. Most LEOs dont know the laws regarding flight regulations. I expect the same lack of local LEO training and mis information will occur regarding RID.
Bottom line here is that a LEO taking an action related to a drone is likely operating outside of there scope of training. Until state Police Officer training programs include federal law regarding drones, they will be limited to enforcement of local or state law. Operating outside one’s own training and certifications can be legally actionable, and may be unlawful in some jurisdictions. For the most part my experience, and a have a significant number of LEO friends and associates, safety and playing nice with others (avoiding conflict) are where they are most interested. If you are safely operating and can demonstrate that you are behaving in a safe and lawful manner you should generally be golden.
Exactly. Local municipalities are going to use this to pass unrealistic and unreasonable no fly laws as well. Say goodbye to flying drones in your town or city. Good luck finding a spot. Good luck participating in town hall and convincing people to vote in your favor. This was such a terrible mistake
Want to get some cool shots in hawaii or in national park? Too BAD. Guess what they’ve declared the entire region a bird sanctuary. How about your back yard or your park or baseball field? Better check local municipality rules. Crikies mate
Greg did not accurately explain ADSB requirements. If you're interested just search for "when is adsb required". He also failed to mention that pilots of manned aircraft or not vulnerable on the ground like remote pilots.
I was under the impression that law enforcement or the FAA would be the ONLY ones who could see the operator location and that civilians would only see the drone information. I may be wrong though. I guess someone already using RID would be able to clarify that.
@@2bigrailfans724 My understanding is that the pilot location will be broadcast along with the registered owner of the drone. I suppose time will tell after it’s actually implemented.
I agree but it is actual worse. It kills the whole RC flight hobby and just not drones. In fact, people who use it to take photos/video are less affected than all the other pilots.
@@ghettorecording2925unironically though, the fudds think just like this. The radio fudds are ultimate scum and RID fudds will be terrible for the hobby
@@ghettorecording2925 ....while in the meantime any RC related product will be getting discontinued or doubled in price. But you are happy because you'r already old, have stocked lots of spare parts and now it's other's problem.
@@miquelmarti6537 In the meantime, I'm fighting for my constitutionally protected rights, and you're not! I will not comply with an unconstitutional law or an unconstitutional overreaching government bureaucracy. I fly freely, baby!
overall i like the video. but my drone will be more dangerous once remote id goes into effect. it will force me to turn my night flight from a 3 strobe operation to just one strobe. (weight limit) The biggest F-up of this law is not making a grandfather clause. You compared remote ID to ADSB, fair for current production, but airplanes without a native electrical system are not required to have ADSB. The faa does not force them to have an ADSB with aftermarket battery. but I am being forced. Remote id is a bad law for many reasons.
Certainly is keeping smart kids from getting started on their own, or with other smart kids. Cities like Los Angeles are doing their upmost to kill the hobby across the board, banning flying from every city and county park (with the exception of two parks in the 10000 square mile area), and every school playground.
Bro... Drugs addict are more profitable to the state. What do you think. California killed EVERY hobby anyone ever had in that state that's fun or mentally good just to get outside... Including riding a dirt bike in the desert!! LOL SMH
That's why most of the flight videos you see are in office parks, parking lots, abandoned buildings, and construction yards. If you make it illegal to fly on public property, then folks will just fly on private property with/without owner permission. Being asked to leave because you're trespassing just means going to the next private property down the road. Brilliant consequences of shortsighted lawmaking.
@@AchronTimelessthe problem is that cities and states can indeed enact such laws. This comes down to the basic construct of law in the US, and of the Constitution. It is conceivable that an entire state could become a no takeoff zone, which would effectively stop legal drone use. This is where our voice as citizens and our vote will matter. If our lawmakers are blocking something that should not be blocked we need to follow the process and do something about it. Otherwise we may someday be faced with drone friendly and drone unfriendly states.
Correction - less than 50% of GA aircraft in the US are fitted with ADSB, and that before you add in all the utltalights, powered parachutes, hang gliders etc
Yeah this is a lot of one sided speculation. On your point he's just flat lying. The rest of the time he's making baseless claims. "They're just gonna grant FRIAs". Are they? I'm aware of many denials for fully compliant spaces. "Nobody's even enforcing these rules". Yeah until one idiot makes a viral video and the government overreacts and indiscriminately clamps down on everyone for show, like they always do. Think about TSA. We heard all these same rationalizations about that and they are all laughable now. This video is not only not informative, it borders on being misinformative.
Punishing THE MANY..for the few BAD actors..FOR THEIR REVENUE or piece of the pie, ALL IN THE NAME of ‘safety’. And I might add, it only STARTS here. Once Regulations are initiated..they NEVER decrease, only INCREASE.
I've heard MANY people with RUclips channels say, "the time to make your voice heard was back in 2019!" Well, drones and FPV are a fairly new hobby and MANY of us just now getting involved. I bought a DJI Phantom back in 2015, but soon sold it, and only got back into the hobby last summer. Those of us who have gotten into it AFTER 2019 don't get our voices heard and that's probably 50% of everyone involved in the hobby today! So, I get the point, but it doesn't apply to many of us. Also, the spoofing devices will be used by bad actors, for sure. But those in the drone community who are considering using them seem to be talking about spoofing multiple drones in the general area where they are actually flying as a way of invalidating which one you are and where you are standing. If an aircraft (medivac or something) needs to fly in the area, I would hope those spoofing would land their own aircraft and stop the spoofing for safety purposes.
Its not about the spoofing. It about an 8 Dollar device which can be dropped anywhere and create fake drone on random, with stolen RIDs. If something is that easy to spoof than RID is not about safety and security , but its a dangerous system which should be stopped before it gets messy! It would just take ONE! person with a bunch of this devices and it could render a huge portion of the airspace useless. Just think about lawsuits that can come out of this. People who wanted to comply (or companies) got their IDs stolen and now have to prove that the were not flying ... This problem could have been avoided easy if they added a bit more security to RID, but they chose not to do that ...
For what its worth, your flight data is recorded on the aircraft itself and sometimes/optionally in the controller. DJI probably has a copy and it appears to be an option to automatically upload it to DJI; you should probably assume that this is the case. Anyway, if you can prove where you were flying, you have also proved where you were not flying.
Spoofing is a tool to fight against RID and to invalidate the trackers who collect and act on this information. It will essentially render RID useless and agencies would need to dedicate more resources to creating more tools for validation or stop using it because it will cost too much. Think of it as the same middle finger the FAA gave us when we voiced our concern over RID, when they knew it was going to pass for DHS and other 3 letter organizations.
Spoofing can have real life consequences, from stopping firefighting aircraft because someone is spoofing drone in an area, or stopping an emergency helicopter from landing to take some to the hospital from the scene of a crash. It will only force 3 letter agencies to drop Broadcast remote ID and push for network RID, which would truly hurt the industry and the hobby.
@@PilotInstitute YOU BET RID can have real life consequences! It's a poorly thought out idea, with shitty electronics. Admit it, Greg, you are out of your league on this issue. A lot of us out here work with electronics, and have for our entire lives. RID will DIE. It will cease to be... but we won't forget how you disparaged your fellow airmen, Greggy. LOL.
@@LuMaxQFPV Of course it will have real life consequences. We've said it before, and we've told the FAA that too in multiple meetings! Sharing the location of the pilot with the general public is a horrible idea. RID won't die though, it will evolve, and it may not be for the best of the hobby or the industry when it does. 3 letter security agencies aren't giving up on trying to track drones, that's certain.
@@PilotInstitute You are absolutely correct, I'm not advocating for spoofing in areas where this might interfere with things you mentioned. All other places though are fair game, like local parks, sporting events, beaches, amusement locations, etc.
@@PilotInstituteultimately only a very small percentage of pilots will comply with RID. I know I won't. RID will fade into the sunset like the useless government overreach that it is. And you've made yourself out to be a fool with this video.
I am a Commercial Pilot, a CFI, CFI-I, Advanced Ground Instructor and a part 107 Certificate holder. That said... I wil put my next paycheck on the line that if a terrorist is going to use a drone for dastardly deeds it WILL NOT have remote ID in operation at that time, and so, if the purpose is for that reason... it is doomed to abject failure. I've squawked ID codes and/or ADSB signals since 1983. I don't have any problem w/ the requirement but it would seem that the requirement should match the ADSB rules. Not be necessary for rural area flight away from Class B, C, D airspace, or flight below 401' AGL. Keep up the good posts Greg.
Its just like TFRs, if someone is actually being legal but has bad intentions that TFR is not going to provide enough time to stop an aircraft that makes a sudden 90’ turn and dives to the target. And then if the pilot actually has skills and does not make a straight line approach they will be successful. Hence, this RID for a 1lb foam or 2lb balsa aircraft is even more useless. This is just FAA nonsense. Yes I can understand it around B & C, but the distance restrictions already provide a buffer. What tees me off is that I’m 67 and started building and flying models when I was 11. So we get gyro-stabilization and DJI quads and people that have essentially no true interest aviation can now go buy a quad and fly the thing down the street to harass someone or over someones fence to spy on them, or do asinine stuff like lets see how high this thing can go when they live under a final approach path to major airport. And now here we are, once again the few bad apples ruin it for the many.
I think you did not consider in the near future when the RID signals are collected over a national network…then anyone with an app will be able to see pilot and aircraft… like the flightware app
Yes, it's so much worse than when we first heard about rid, has always made me suspicious of the people "oh it's not that bad just go along with it", and everytime it would get worse you'd hear the same thing... It's the whole boil the frog slowly tactic. Meanwhile I could go buy a gun legally with less fuss then flying a toy in my backyard
It did kill the hobby here. Flyers did not like the first step taken which was excessive fine threats for not registering model planes. Our field closed, all nearby hobby shops closed including two Hobby Town USA stores. If forced me to fly quadcopters in random places which is more dangerous than flying at a flying field like we were doing. Pilots of full size planes knew where we were back then. I am the only one I know of still flying around here. In this area it would be foolish to broadcast your location to all the hunters we have in the area which hate drones. The good side of this location is that nothing will change because we are in the country where you can fly and no one knows it.
I'm a pilot and I don't have ADSB OUT, it's not required in order to fly at untowered airports, you don't even need a radio. There are several estimates that are more than fifty thousand aircraft out there without ADSB. FAA D does not compile that information at all.
I love when people who make money specifically because of government regulations, say they dislike those regulations. So very disingenuous, hypocritical, and extremely shilly... The fact the RID will broadcast the pilot location, alone, is enough for us to demand RID be stopped. All the hopes and optimism in the universe will not stop bad actors from coming and stabbing you for your gear. I 100% guarantee that as soon as thugs and tweakers find out there is direction finder app to money, they will download is and start targeting. Just look at how many photographers are robbed every week in San Fransisco without an app telling where they are. And BTW the FAA is literally telling the public how to download the apps. So yes, plenty of the public knows. These regulations are an absolute catastrophe for the hobby. Many people will not feel safe flying anymore, cause many to stop or never even start. Not to mention the added cost or lack or FRIAs in just about everyone's areas. We all know that model aviation is one of the biggest feeders into manned aviation. This will absolutely knee cap the hobby, and therefore the aviation industry. We are already drastically short on pilots, ATC, and aircraft mechanics. This will only serve to make matters worse. I guarantee this is not what congress intended. as far as fines and law suits I have been trying to get people together to form a defense / legal fund specifically for Model Aviation. Oddly enough not a single other person seems interested. I guess they will care when the finally need the fund... In my opinion every single person should be doing two things at a minimum. 1. Get a weapon, train with it, and carry it at all times. Get your CCW if your state requires it. 2. Call the DC Captial Switchboard and ask for your reps AND senators. Tell them this regulation is very bad and why. Tell them the weight limit should be at least 1Kilogram. Call them regularly until they know your voice. The phone number is (202)224-3121 P.S. Where are the links you said would be in the description?
I agree with your call to action. We've told the FAA multiple times in meeting that sharing the location of the pilot with the public is not a good idea. We've made plenty of videos against it and against over regulation of the hobby. Here are a few: ruclips.net/video/YWLt_oxDNaw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/nzFnRxNQ6SM/видео.html ruclips.net/video/-G2ikCL0JLk/видео.html Regarding fines and lawsuits, there haven't been any actions against people unless they have major violations that put people's life at risk, and that's the way it should be. The FAA is not fining people because they doing minor violations (as it should be). Cheers!
I respectfully disagree with your first assessment. RID was absolutely brought about to pave ways for commercial flights such as delivery drones. There is not safety concerns from the hobby that caused RID to be brought in the rules. If so. Please show us your data.
Download and read the UTM Concept of Operations 2.0 document. Lots of great information there about the initial reason for RID, which was changed completed after the NPRM in 2019. Talk with people who were involved with the process and they will tell you the impact the DOI agencies had on the final look of RID. Delivery drones are required to have detect and avoid technology that is unrelated to RID. It really won't help them (or anyone else) in the current form it is.
Are there really going to be millions of remote ID modules available to the public at less than $50? Or any price? Couldn't you say that mandating a technology that isn't available, a criminalization of the activity. It would be like mandating new license plates for your car, but they are only available from a small company in the Czech Republic.
I have yet to see a remoteID module for less than 90USD, and that was a promotional deal on a module that didn’t even come with the required antennas. I can get a whole flight controller stack for the price of the government tracking device. Wonder which I’ll buy
One of the reasons I'm in no hurry to take my exam if I even will. My location privacy should be protected. Also iphones are less than 30% of the market so about 71% of phones can detect RID.
According to multiple sources, iOS shares in the United states are around 52-55% vs 40-45% for Android. 72% is globally, but the percentages are different in the US.
@@PilotInstitute So why even have RID if it won't even work or it is so limited? I think there is likely an ulterior motive since I don't think the people at the FAA are that stupid.
@@PilotInstitute Found a corroborating article from last year that says 50%. iPhone usage. I have a two-year-old Android phone that picks up RID intermittently. It definitely doesn't track the drone. The drone has to be within about 300 feet. I sat outside my garage and flew the drone at about 75' AGL back and forth between my barn and the property boundary. The closest it came to me was about 50 feet. The phone detected the drone at first, and then lost it, and didn't pick it up again until I stopped it and rotated the drone on its axis 360 degrees. Karens and RID doesn't bother me much.
When it comes to actually flight locations where you don't have to use RID are far and in between. Almost none existent or very far away! I live in Carson City, NV and the nearest one I see is NE of Reno, NV. I know a couple locations you can fly planes that are much closer, but they are not approved RID free locations either. Making drones fly where people fly their planes. Oh, boy I couldn't imagine what could go wrong there?
Great video. It will KILL hobby. No one is going to feel comfortable getting into hobby and doing this amount of registrations or putting themselves at risk. The local municipalities will also enforce unreasonable no fly zones, which will be scary. I don’t know if I’m allowed to test in my backyard or in my park. I don’t want to risk it. From a national security perspective the USA does NOT have a monopoly on drone technology and use, if anything they should encourage drone hobbyists or we will just be a second rate garbaj drone manufacturer that uses ones from Turkey and Israel. Our government, or the ones requiring this sort of protection has more than enough technological power to disrupt and destroy UAS. Cbp is a great example
You overlooked that the RID system's existence opens up an attack vector for nefarious actors who do not give a hoot about legality. If RID did not exist, then that risk is eliminated.
UAS Sentry has the capability to capture and store flight data, where stored flight data can be viewed similar to adsb exchange for manned aircraft. UAS Sentry is consumer driven and not restricted to governmental agencies.
Please tell me where they are selling self contained approved RID modules for $60? I fly advanced toys that only cost $50 - 75, that is until I learn to stop flying into the ground.
Where will racers practice? How will our new pilots afford the added expense of gps and a module? Will the bad or uninformed people be using remote id modules? Why does the public need to see our ground station location?
with all the rules and regulations i havent flown my drone in over a year. its so confusing and do net even know if i can legally fly now. what a waist of money in my opinion .
The one issue about comparing RID with ADS-B is that it (ADS-B) is only required in A, B, C airspace. Not in Class G, where drones fly . We were taught in ground school to remember "G" by "Go-For-It", Uncontrolled.
For the people that have a part 107 and fly as a hobby it kills it for them. I have no fria, and all of my aircraft will require remote id even ones only used for hobby purposes so i cant possibly equip each one with their own and some are too light to even carry one, both small fixed wing and tiny whoops. That needs to be fixed.
I agree this needs to be fixed. Ridiculous that a $60 XK RTF plane I bought for my nephew isn’t legal now. As for the modules, I believe that you only need to register one module if you’re a recreational flyer and you can move that between your aircraft. I don’t think it applies to 107 though :(
Very Good points Greg, but you lack the law degree as well, but I completely agree that the cheats and hacks can be a quick path to real problems. There will be an impact to the hobby with the AMA (their words) limiting the FRIA locations and reducing the clubs, this may turn out more unknowing folks getting hobby toys and going off on their own not knowing.(what started it all) The FAA failed to do a realistic risk assessment of what parts of the hobby are real risk, and they applied risk mitigation tactics of the FAA is a hammer and everything looks like a nail. I enjoyed your line of the tin foil hatters, however most of those were in comedy / sarcasm. However, not everyone takes it that way to your point.
I lack the law degree but I'm not telling people to go do stupid stuff that's going to put them in jail. ;) As far as the AMA, they had a seat at the table during RID back in 2019, their representative decided to remain silent for most of the proceedings. I watched most of the live videos of the meetings that were made public. I do agree with your assessment of the FAA's action and who should have been included in RID but I'm 99% the FAA had little say over what the final version of RID turned out to be.
@@PilotInstitute Is your "tin hat" thinking it was all political? --> I know mine thinks that as well. 3 letter agencies can have their quirks as well.
Gregg, you should call out the “so-called“ RUclipsrs by name. That way we will know which channels are giving out “misinformation”. That way we can be confident we are getting approved information from you. Name names.
They don't deserve it. They would get more views, which would make their video rank higher. I'd rather provide the correct information so that when you come across theirs, you understand who I was talking about :)
RUclips itself recommended This Guy and it is pretty easy to decide who has the better character. It is a lot like CB radio versus Ham Radio; Ham Radio has more privileges and a lot more rules, and generally conforms to the rules. CB has basically only one rule (5 watts power) and it is THAT rule that has become a sport to see who can violate it the most. But the CB'ers believe themselves morally superior. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness ("you know the thing") for ME and don't get in my way.
@@cnyphotovideo "Gregg should still point out who he’s talking about. " He makes his choice. You make yours. I made a choice too since I know who is being discussed. The Other Guy seems very rude and disrespectful; it serves no purpose to send viewers his way and it isn't an area where mutual respect or understanding can exist. The current rules, in their most simple form airplanes and helicopters stay above 500 feet AGL and drones 400 and below. All was well and good for a few years but automated delivery drones cannot operate in that environment. Obviously, free-flying aircraft with nothing are very dangerous to automated delivery. However, it is observed that ultralights need neither Remote ID nor ADSB and thus are invisible (electronically) to other aircraft. But as they are also much larger, automated delivery drones will doubtless be programmed to avoid ultralights.
Correction to Video , ADSB is available in ALL airspace. Period,, Once your transponder is on. It's broadcasting. No matter if your airborne or on the ground.
After two years of flying under 107, I'm more concerned with the banning of DJI drones, the random homeless guy creeping up while im flying solo downtown, or another system to add to my checklist. Drones arent my bread and butter though, I do have a day job, so I get those who already have to deal with the public on a day to day basis more than a once a week flyer like myself.
No matter what anyone says, I can 99% promise you that DJI will not be banned for civilian use. It just doesn't serve a purpose, especially when nearly all of our electronics are from China. If they ban DJI because of some lame CCP data collection excuse, then they would have to ban everything from TV's and Microwaves to radios, etc. The genie is out of the bottle.
As an American it is my duty to not comply with tyranny from any 3 letter agency if enough people refuse compliance their bark looses its bite - become ungovernable
The FAA can't control manned aviation from breaking the rules. Last week at the beach there were two planes flying lower than my drone and one buzzed between me and my drone. The modules were supposed to be affordable. I'm not buying a module for a ten year old drone. $12 to $15 maybe, but no way for $350.
The price of the modules is definitely an issue. As far as the two airplanes issue, if you have footage and tail number, report it to the FAA, they take those violations VERY seriously.
Yeah no kidding, I was peacefully watching a sunset at the beach until warnings came up for an appraoching aircraft. Sure enough, show boating pilot blasts by at less than 400ft.
A rogue drone operator hit my home and did property damage to my home after it dropped a large block of ice on my roof with a spinning drone sky hook. It did damage to my roof and hooked shingling pulling them up. That operator has the liability to repair my home and pay damaged. Remote ID is a necessity. The wild west sky's of drone Kevin's are over.
I don't think anyone is saying you should spoof drones around airports. It is just an easy form of terrorism that is likely to happen due to the RID rules. It is an ill considered aspect of RID and is a concern.
I can say that Remote ID has killed the hobby for me. I no longer have a drone, and have no plan to purchase again anytime soon. Now I will say that it’s not the fear of being tracked that killed it for me. It’s all the new and changing rules that killed it. The uncertainty of purchasing a +$1000 drone today that might only have a couple years lifespan terrifies me. The yearly changes to the rules makes it tough to stay up on what you can and can’t do, and honestly part 107 requirements take the fun out of what was once a fun hobby that allowed me to shoot some great aerial photographs. So for now, and possibly forever, I’m out.
I quickly switched to part 107 and have become a digital creator. I love it. I announce to people what I'm doing and they participate or not and appreciate the transparency.
In the time since RID has become a thing I have moved from spectator to entering the hobby. Part 107 is my next stop. I work in the IT and information security field and I have my concerns, but I am also realistic here. If I am in public any person can see me and can see what I am doing. This is not private. My location is part of that. Now if I had a heavy investment in aircraft I had built, I can see this would be a big deal. I would not want to attach a module or worse, be stopped from flying what I had spent potentially thousands on. In a way I am there with a couple of “slow stick” model airplanes I will never fly again. But I am not allowing that to stop me from moving forward in a hobby that has moved far beyond where I started.
@@jonathonmontgomery2535 As I mentioned, for me it’s not about the fear of being tracked. It’s about the constant rule changes. The hang up to me is that the FAA should not even be involved in regulation under a certain altitude. I flew mostly just above the tree line. If you have manned aircraft flying at that height, you’ve got bigger problems then my drone. In other words, in my opinion, the airspace should be unregulated below a certain altitude (with obvious exceptions for no fly zones, events, etc.) Commercial drones should be flying in designated regulated air space, above the unregulated space reserved for hobbyists, and below that of manned aircraft’s. If you want access to that regulated airspace, you need a 107 and you need to follow the rules. That’s my opinion anyway.
That is insane that you can be labeled a terrorist for using a spoofing device, not that I think anyone should use that or be free to use that. It just doesn't fit the definition of terrorism.
I am going to comply because of part 107. You know that one of the RID modules can accidentally go off at an airport? Especially if they are charged and ready to use. How will they determine that it was deliberate?
Regarding #6, are you sure about your definition of terrorism? In all of the definitions I've found for both the UK and the US, they tend to involve an act of violence for a political purpose. Now there are specific things in the US around critical infrastructure, but my understanding is that's a completely separate thing from terrorism. So I'm curious, what are you basing your assertion that interference of infrastructure would count at terrorism on? Of course I'm sure the penalty would be severe regardless of how it was classified, but I wouldn't want there to be any misinformation. :)
the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that- (A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended- (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; Only needs to be dangerous to human life.
@@PilotInstitute That's interesting I haven't seen that definition before, but that leads to another question - Does the spoofing of Remote ID locations constitute a danger to human life? I can't seem to find the document anymore, but I have a recollection of the FAA stating that remote ID could not be used to enforce separation of aircraft. Assuming I'm not mis-remembering this if remote ID is solely for the identification of UAS pilots and is not related to the safe flying of manned aviation, that implies that spoofing remote ID (And only remote ID) is not an act which is dangerous to human life. It would certainly meet the definition of (B ii), but I'm not convinced about it meeting the definition of (A).
@@yngndrw. Spoofing, no. Spoofing near airports and disrupting airlines activity, yes. Airports have drone detection systems so spoofing near them can not only create unnecessary shutting down airline activity, it can also give the whole industry/hobby a real bad reputation. Same thing that happened with the supposed drone flights at Heathrow...
@@PilotInstitute But disruption and bad reputation is very different to causing danger to human life. Don't get me wrong the legal repercussions are very serious and as you highlight the bad reputation is undesirable at a time when they are regulating us - But I don't think it's correct to suggest that it meets the definition of terrorism. And don't get me started on Heathrow - Absolutely no evidence was produced despite a very heavy police presence and the police force had to settle a dispute with the couple they arrested for the crime of being "drone enthusiasts" in the area. Personally I think it was staged for both legislative purposes and for the benefit of manufacturers of the untested "anti-drone equipment" that was later installed at all of the major airports - Our government over here in the UK has a history of handing out contracts to friends of politicians and I believe that situation was no different. I appreciate you have a differing opinion on hidden agendas in relation to these various regulations but that's my view on the Heathrow incident given my experience of the government over here.
@4:55, there is a difference between what you think and what you know. The fact of the matter is you do not know. @9:42 lets take you own logic I dont think it will happen... I am optimistic that the hobbiest wont do it, yes it wont happen. As a person who gives instruction on Part 107, I say that you can do better than this .
Time will tell about the devices being able to get a clear signal. Right now, our testing shows it's not very reliable. Unless you have other data which we're happy to look at. As far as proofing near airports, I hope no one does it either because it will make the community and industry look really bad. Like it did with the supposed drone at Heathrow a few years ago.
FAA punishes those who already follow the rules. I follow rules, took the tests, requested LAANC in airspaces. Only to have FAA spit on face and cost me more money for Remote ID equipment.
Remote ID is Killing The Hobby For Me. My Typhoon H does not have extra plugins to add onto it. Its main board is the flight board and the reciever so it may cost over $1000 to be wired in and get put on a yr long wait list I suppose. Im not buying any more flying machines that arent underweight toys, Im Done! There are probably alot of aircraft not designed for Remote ID and have all the electronics on one board and dont have a "Remote ID Input and output" built in. These are rules meant to fuck over Americans that went World-Wide
For almost 50 years as a model aviation enthusiast, it was a joy to go down to a local park or backyard and spent time doing what we loved, now it's like walking through a minefield of rules and regulations which have sucked all the fun out of model flying. Every time I try to become compliant, a new rule or regulation is forced upon our hobby. It's just not worth the hassle, and possible criminal record for an innocent mistake by not being up to the minute on some new rule/regulation, I'm done with it, there are a number of other hobbies I can dedicate my time to.
One of my big concerns with the FAA is the issue of fines. In order to operate legally, we have to register with the FAA. I feel that violators of the FAA laws (when they become constitutionally created) should result in, first the temporary or permanent revocation of the registration which gives us the right to operate. Only if someone insist on operating without a valid registration should those huge fines enter consideration. No one should have to fly legally while having those ridiculous fines hanging over one's head. In my opinion, those fines are intended to dampen our interest in this hobby. NOTE: I was not able to view this video because of other commitments, so this issue may well be already on your minds.
Greg, as you say, RID was not in the initial UTM proposal, but added for security reasons (IE terrorist or your famous “don’t be that guy”) reasons. I agree with most of your comments. But from my own point of view, I should not need to purchase two modules at $200 each (and unavailable) to Velcro to my older camera drones, certainly not if flying just over the tree tops or under FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. I certainly am not flying them in circle in a FRIA in the next county. My pet peeve with RID? I am supposed to use RID in a rural area, no airports for 10 miles while manned aircraft, private and commercial, are flying over my house at 1200-1500 AGL without being required to use ADSB. If I am not a bad actor, why should I be required to have RID in this situation?
No I think it is bigger than that. Remember digital TV . Electric cars. Gun rights . Parental rights . Control of the population. Is the reason in my opinion.
Remote ID will not longer be an issue moving forward with new drones that will have it automatically installed. This really only a hit to the drone pilots that have been flying and owning drones from early days.
I don't know much about this subject, but the federal government typically reaches in and ruins the freedoms. They mandated all mobile phones have speaker phone, not so you can have the feature, but so they could use the more powerful microphone to listen in on the room. I don't think any of this is going to interfere with filmmmaking flights over scenic areas, for a while. It's almost unenforceable in that context. However, the next step will be to build the restrictions in to the drone's firmware and make it responsive to soft-walls around sensitive areas. Once that is done, the public will also buy the soft-wall transmitters to cover their private property, schools, or anything and drones will start falling from the sky, landing unexpectedly, or returning to the launch site fairly regularly. They could even be subdivision-wide broadcasts from the Home Owners' Associations. Older drones without the feature will be unaffected. That's just my opinion. I don't even own one yet.
Following the rules should be an absolute no brainer, regardless of where in the world a UAV is being flown! Individually, we don't have to necessarily agree with the rules - promulgated by ICOA directives, that are developed by ALL its member states, of which there are 193 in 2023, but we are all bound by those rules to fly our "toy" or "agricultural workhorse" in accordance with those regulations, no exceptions! Remember, if you fly a drone, you're a pilot, subject to all relevant regulations. The only exceptionalism permitted when flying a drone, recreationally, or commercially relates (possibly) to the type of gimbal payload and whether the pilot might choose to take a photography or make a video. Happy and safe flying 😁😎
I disagree about sharing the location of the pilot going to be an issue. And the reason why I say that is that all it takes is one one person who is motivated enough to do all the research to find out everything they need until require all the tools to locate remote pilot in command, and then all I need to do is find one remote pilot in command and do what ever it is they were looking to do.
Thanks for the video. But I really don't understand if you are saying that Remote ID is not going to kill the hobby because FPV and Model Aviation people are not going to comply? or because the FAA is not going to go after people sending fines? Another question rise up: Ok, let's say The government is not going to go after non compliant. Is that because they don't want to, or because they simply don't have the resources to go after non compliant?
For both reasons quite frankly to your first and second points. Those who love to fly but don’t want to comply won’t comply. The FAA a won’t go after the average person who’s not complying. The FAA doesn’t have the resources. They’ll do the same thing they do now, which is to go after people when something major happens.
@@PilotInstitute Thanks for taking the time. Everything you say sounds reasonable to me. My only concern is if RID falls into the fangs of states or other institutions and they use it as an excuse to collect fines over local sketchy regulations. Another thing is I don't think anyone who will do a major airspace violation is going to be broadcasting RID. To me the only way to increase airspace safety is to enforce strict geofence to all drone manufacturers and also the system that warns you when an aircraft is approaching.
The big big big difference here is that I don't own a tall enough ladder to harass a pilot flying by his privacy is respected but mine is not and my certificate says I am an airman just like you
I'm a fixed wing flyer and it sounds like Remote ID is here to stay. I plan on playing by the rules. I don't exactly want to find out what happens if you don't play by the rules. I imagine this is paving the way for commercial automated flight (amazon delivery, etc). I think the likelihood is pretty slim you might ever need it or would get checked on it.. but I prefer not to find out. It's not going to ruin the hobby for me. I'll bet in a year or two every rc aircraft will have it built in or for folks like me that build planes - the radio systems will come with it. I can't see a bunch of people runnnig around with apps looking for "drones".. most people will probably never know that tech exists except for us.
I am NOT worried about the "Karens" being able to find me flying. But the nefarious folk that want to find where someone is flying an enterprise drone will be technologically capable. In spades. They will use whatever will best help them find folk. Yes, I have taken my paranoia medications for the day.
I was flying a Mavic 3 over new construction a few miles from a small untowered airfield when I heard an audible alert about nearby air traffic. That's the first I have encountered DJI AirSense, an ADSB-IN receiver built right into the drone. That's amazing! I've been using a Stratus ADSB-IN receiver to spot suitably equipped ADSB-OUT aircraft, but in Class G rural airspace there's a fair number of airplanes not equipped so it almost isn't worth the trouble to break out the ADSB receiver. But now it is built in! Ideal for those flights that happen to be in areas likely to have low flying (and ADSB-OUT equipped) manned aircraft. I wonder if AirSense also alerts on other drones?
Thanks Greg. I agree with almost everything you've said in this video. My only opposing opinion relates to the harmlessness of pilot location from a practical standpoint. I flew at a large-scale public event recently. I had LAANC approval and was flying 100% legally and safely. Within a few minutes of my first launch, I had a drone flying above me. Ironically, my RID was visible, including pilot location, but the bogey was not. I think there's an awful lot of ways this information can be abused beyond the "casual Karen" situation.
Like I said in the video, I'm definitely not a fan of the location being broadcast to the public. It was part of my comment on the NRPM in 2019. I still think very few "Karens" will know how to pick up the signal, or will physically be able to. I certainly hope so.
@@PilotInstitute like I said, I agree with everything else in the video. I too was a vocal opponent of the system as it was originally outlined, and as amended prior to final release. What I think isn't getting enough attention is that the real concern will not be from casual threats, but rather more sophisticated bad actors. And let's be honest, even a layperson will be able to watch a short RUclips video and have a working tracker within a few minutes if they have an Android phone. This will be especially problematic for pilots who operate routinely near a person that wants to cause trouble. I hope I'm wrong, but even if I am, my greater concern is for the more ambitious bad actors.
@@PilotInstitute I don't think it's random citizens who pose any threat. They can call the police all they want. The police can easily verify who I am. I'm more concerned with those who wish to do me harm. Broadcasting my location says "hey, thieves: here is a guy with a multi-thousand dollar toy who is likely distracted and by himself. Go steal the remote and then his drone."
@@markkempton4579 No doubt about it! We've been vocal about this issue for several years. Our only solace is that the technology will suck and those bad actors won't be able to use it.
@@PilotInstitute My story above is telling: the law-abiding pilot (me) was quickly identified by someone who at a minimum intended to harass me, while they (bad actor) were not RID compliant and were invisible to me. My experience with Drone Scanner has shown very good results with a 4-year-old Android phone, so presuming "security through obscurity" is probably a false hope. Again, I would love to be wrong, but the coming months will be stressful at minimum.
@thomasmaughan4798 never said it was. But throw a GPS receiver to such an ESP32 project, along with an accelerometer (if the GPS receiver doesn't provide that) for detecting takeoff, and you've got yourself a module.
"It's no big deal" is what I'm hearing from many RUclipsrs with a mass audience including yourself. I do believe you are a bit naive as to where the technology is and how quickly it will develop, and missing the point regarding the legal issues for anyone wanting to fly anything from September onward. Are we now all considered criminals unless we are in full, subjective compliance?
Excellent video! I just purchased a Roku F11Gim2. This drone comes with Remote ID and GPS navigation. Does this mean I can fly Beyound Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS)? If not, can I fly on my own property BVLOS?
I blame the AMA for not being on top of this when these drones began to flood the market. And they were selling drones to the general public. That had no idea there were rules to insure the safety of those in the air as well as on the ground. Common sense told me not to fly near airports without having to be told.
Great information Greg from you and your team at Pilot Institute. Appreciate the support you provide the community. Unfortunately, the knuckleheads will continue to put out garbage content putting us at risk. Am I a fan of RID in its current iteration? Of course not. We need to maintain a collective, consistent and responsible voice going forward, instead of moaning and groaning. A great step is to support the Drone Advocacy Alliance. Thanks again.
Why did GoPro make an automatic download that stopped pairing the Karma drone with the controller? Thousands of Karma drone owners all over the world are left with useless expensive drones sold by GoPro and the company has washed their hands of it and will not correct it.
I need clarity. I have DJI mini 2. My primary use for, it is to measure tree height for a non profit organization that I volunteer for…this is my chosen method to do the measurements and I do not receive any compensation. So in my mind this is non commercial. Because I am flying in tree canopies I use prop guards and because I takeoff and land in rough terrain I use landing gear. This puts my drone over 250. I have completed TRUST certification and my drone is FAA registered. How do I handle remote I’d for mini 2?
I'm wondering how much these modules will cost? and how it will affect the dji mini-series as it would force people to increase the weight of the drone over the 249 grams?
It wouldn't affect them at all because of that very reason you stated; they are under 250g. So you don't have to strap a module on it unless you are flying under part 107 and in that case the sub 250g class means very little for you because you have to register and comply with rid regardless of weight. Oh and your comment doesn't apply to mini 3/mini3 pro or any future mini uav as by law they have RID built in. Only mini 1 and mini 2 have no RID. So if you were flying mini 1/2 under 107 you would need to register and buy a module, if you are flying rec then it doesn't matter.
I mean if you use squidrid on an ESP32 you might be able to make a flipper app that interacts with it since the PC can interact with the squidrid esp32 once programmed.
RID is going to kill the Hobby. What you are seeing is folks buying up drones and planes that do not have a RID module, before the price goes up do a required RID module from the manufacture. I will not pay more to the RC manufacture. I know a lot of people will not pay more. It will overall kill RC sales.
FAA employees= 45,000 total. FAA inspectors= 4,000 total in 105 CMO's and FSDO's in the country. Talk about spreading something thin. So if I'm in a remote location flying without remote ID I'd bet my next paycheck you'll be ok. FRIA's are not being granted in the manner we imagined and because of that remote ID is hurting the hobby. I flew my first model airplane in 1961. It was control line. My Dad and I flew that WenMac P-38 and I was hooked. At the time I was 8yrs old. I won't be able to have that experience with my grandchildren because of FAA requirements, not even if I fly on my property
I have and will continue to fly drones with my kids. RID won’t prevent me from doing that. And it won’t stop other people either. People will continue to do what they love.
Armando, you don't! Go to faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=677 and take the course and the exam, you will get a certificate of completion, which makes you current again for 2 years. Your certificate never expires, only your currency does.
@@PilotInstitute I did that two days ago. Takes about 2 hours. It is a lot easier than the initial test. 45 questions at the end of the training cycle.
As a Operator I carry gear. NY drone weighs alot so I'm kinda limited. I wear lvl 3 soft body armor, glock 43x for sidearm. Knife. Misc other equipment. But I'm unable to carry a rifle
What options do I have beside paying $200 for a remote id module (DroneTag) for my Phantom 4 Pro? Are there any other companies on the horizon building them before the September deadline so I can continue to fly legally. (I have my part 107 certification)
Question. If you can't generally, or from far, detect the signal info, then why would the 3-letter agencies want this if they also can't detect from far?
Just because you can’t detect it, doesn’t mean you’re undetectable lol. It just depends on how annoying you are whether or not they’ll be bothered with you.
As a part 107 pilot, I'm going to comply. Don't like some of the aspects of it, but I will comply. But I will also be caring protection with me, as I already do.
I want to know if I get a part 107, does that make flying my 20 gram drones illegal? Because you can't put a remote ID on them. A 1s battery won't power them & the module probably weights so much that the tinyhawk won't even fly with that much added weight on it. I've heard that if you're a Pary 107 pilot, ALL of your drones, including under 250 gram drones, have to be registered & have to use Remote ID. Is that true? I know this sounds so ridiculously stupid that it can't possibly be true, but we are talking about government agencies here. Stupid is the name of the game. Also part of the game is the government agencies do not give a single crap if you're not allowed to fly something that you've been flying for years.
5:28 Signal distance from iphone - Is that why there are some reports of performance degradation with the new remote id update (DJI FPV specifcally)? What happens if you're flying remote ID based off an iphone connection and you go beyond the distance of transmission?
Here is one issue that you talked about how a lot of people ain't going to know how to download the app you do realize the media is going to cover all that they're already starting to teach the general public how to do it
It's telling that your best defense of RID is that nothing is going to work as planned. The FAA *probably* won't prosecute you for breaking the law (though, they could if they wished). Your RID signal *probably* is too weak to transmit very far (though, people have reported picking up these signals from ten miles distant). Karen's cell phone *probably* isn't compatible with the RID signal (though, other devices are). People *probably* won't be able to figure out how to interpret GPS coordinates from a RID module (though, somebody could sell a device that does this automatically, and who said that Karen couldn't read a map?). The last I read, the FAA has not even *reviewed*, never mind approved, ANY FRIA anywhere in the United States. The only market available RID modules cost about $300. Comparing $10k ADSB on $100k aircraft is not the same as $300 for RID modules on $800 drones. Not every manned aircraft has or is required to have ADSB. Overall, this video is bad. If anything, it ironically highlights the fiasco that RID is.
It's not a video defending remote ID. You missed the idea. But as is, the FAA has hardly prosecuted anyone for anything drone related, the signal IS weak (we tested it), half of the phones can't pickup Wifi RID signals (all Apple Phones) - we tested that too, if you tried any of the apps, you will see how archaic they look. So not too many "probably" so far. Test it yourself and tell us what you think. Modules are still expensive, I 100% agree, but one is available at $69. And yes, Remote ID is a giant shit show, we talked about that before in other videos.
Great vid...thanks! Playing Devil's Advocate here on RID: Karens vs Drone Pilot via drone tracking apps. As with anything that's new to the public, I forsee a many confrontations happening as public awareness increases about drone tracking apps, ranging from one side of the spectrum where the confrontation is mild (pilot is informing about drone, laws, etc) to the extreme end where confrontations may get down right physical. Yes, I will fully comply with RID on my end, but can I hold FAA accountable if RID ignites an incident where physical harm was the result?
I always call the local PD when I'm going to fly. They have 0 problem with it. I literally fly next to the prison, and I call before I do every time. I've had cops come out and watch initially, let them try on my FPV goggles and stuff, they love it.
@03:25 _"Myth #2, this is going to make flying unsafe -- and quite frankly this is the only one bit that I have seen coming out of videos complaints about Remote ID I have to agree with"_
It had to be mentioned because it will hopefully be a myth due to bad technology on the drone and/or phone side. Still not a perfect solution but a potential solace.
@@PilotInstitute The problem is (as I will elaborate in a reaction video -- perhaps designed to get clicks and boost my Patreon, haha) is that the FAA has already promoted RID as a way for the public to ease their fears when seeing drones in the skies (yes, even Instagrammers filming in the woods). I would not be surprised if there are "public awareness" campaigns launched which encourage the public to use an app and to report any "unauthorized" drone flights that don't appear on RID apps. This will, of course, produce a ridiculous amount of work for LEO and the FAA as sub250g craft and craft with weak RID modules also fail to appear on the app and authorities become overwhelmed with invalid reports of "unauthorized drones".
@@xjet Another solace, the FAA's reach with the general public is nonexistent. The overload on LEO is certainly a concern, which will lead them to filter the complaint and only respond to the more serious ones, or eventually totally ignore drone complaints. Just like the FAA, they just don't have the bandwidth.
@@PilotInstitute Ah but remember, this isn't an FAA initiative... it's a congressional mandate driven by DHS and other TLAs. The FAA may not have the desire or budget to popularize the app but do not discount the potential for other agencies and the government itself to promote the app as a way of boosting "national security".
It makes no difference whatsoever, what percentage of the general public understand remote ID.
The Drone haters and criminals will understand it. That's what matters.
Agree. They may not know now because it doesn't exist but as soon as it does there will be shit all over the place and apps dedicated to track drones and youtube videos teaching how to do that. Why don't they put a tracking ID on guns? No one was killed with a drone. Yet, the regulations are crazy and stupid most of the time and haters range from the homeless people on the streets to big companies and corporates to city and state officials. How long it takes any one to operate a new device or navigate a new app? Not knowing now doesn't mean we are safe in the future
Bingo!
Remote ID is a horrible solution to a non existent problem. Whatever you choose to do, just fly safe! The faa doesn't have drone cops out looking for drones to "pull over". Unless you've done, or are doing something really stupid, local law enforcement couldn't care less!
The spoofer ideas look cool however, but definitely not near an airport!!
you're right, the FAA just doesn't have the man-power for policing this division of aviation. have a feeling RID will enable more automated enforcement tbh, since they will be recieving flight data in a much more legible format that integrates with their system. with that said, I'm sure the backend software is engineered to monitor the 1000s of flights every day at scale, and dispatch warnings/fines/etc accordingly with this more enforceable data via snail mail, email, drone zone portal etc.
What does spoofing mean
As a 30 year Commercial rated pilot and a CFI, I cannot believe the extent of overreach exhibited by the FAA with this whole RID implementation. I'm just getting back into RC and as I dig into this, my hair is blown back by he lunacy I am seeing. Forcing people to install broadcast ID systems in their RC aircraft (in particular airplanes, helicopters and gliders) is absurd.
I can fly a full size airplane anywhere in the US below 18,000' outside of B, C, or D airspace without an electrical system, radio, or any form of ADSB out equipment. ADSB out is not even required in class D airspace (typically regional airports). I can fly coast to coast without talking to anyone...taking off and landing at any non-towered airport I choose (and there are over 20,000 of them vs 500 towered airports). With reasonable limitations on how close the aircraft can get to people and things, I can operate out of any open field I choose. Ask any bush pilot about that.
But HEAVEN FORBID if I take my 1.5 lb Mini Sportster electric RC airplane out into the country...away from the whole world...and fly it for fun with one of the grandkids!
You know, the thing is that the FAA doesn't have the wherewithal or resources to enforce any of this. The whole thing is a political scam...designed to make some government bureaucrat look good on TV and in front of Congress.
This is just a precursor to the demise of all the other aviation rights we enjoy in the US....just like Europe where there is virtually NO general aviation and hardly one square foot of uncontrolled airspace. Pilot Institute....be aware. All is not rosy with this.
So far While legally flying my drones I have had 2 encounters with law enforcment officers or Rangers. In both cases I had to educate and inform them that my flight operations was legal. I had the relevant documents on my phone to show them. Most LEOs dont know the laws regarding flight regulations. I expect the same lack of local LEO training and mis information will occur regarding RID.
My friends a cop and he said he doesn’t know FAA stuff he wouldn’t know anything about drone laws it’s all federal
Bottom line here is that a LEO taking an action related to a drone is likely operating outside of there scope of training. Until state Police Officer training programs include federal law regarding drones, they will be limited to enforcement of local or state law.
Operating outside one’s own training and certifications can be legally actionable, and may be unlawful in some jurisdictions.
For the most part my experience, and a have a significant number of LEO friends and associates, safety and playing nice with others (avoiding conflict) are where they are most interested. If you are safely operating and can demonstrate that you are behaving in a safe and lawful manner you should generally be golden.
Exactly. Local municipalities are going to use this to pass unrealistic and unreasonable no fly laws as well. Say goodbye to flying drones in your town or city. Good luck finding a spot. Good luck participating in town hall and convincing people to vote in your favor.
This was such a terrible mistake
Want to get some cool shots in hawaii or in national park? Too BAD. Guess what they’ve declared the entire region a bird sanctuary. How about your back yard or your park or baseball field? Better check local municipality rules. Crikies mate
@@jonathonmontgomery2535 Isn't it amazing that we have to comply with a law or regulation that the LEOs know nothing about it?
The difference between ADSB and RID is that the pilot is aboard the aircraft safe from perpetrators and the other is not, respectively.
Indeed
Greg did not accurately explain ADSB requirements. If you're interested just search for "when is adsb required".
He also failed to mention that pilots of manned aircraft or not vulnerable on the ground like remote pilots.
We have a video on the channel explaining ADSB in detail.
It would be nice to be able to block the pilot information the same way the FAA allows aircraft’s to block their information.
I was under the impression that law enforcement or the FAA would be the ONLY ones who could see the operator location and that civilians would only see the drone information. I may be wrong though. I guess someone already using RID would be able to clarify that.
@@2bigrailfans724 My understanding is that the pilot location will be broadcast along with the registered owner of the drone. I suppose time will tell after it’s actually implemented.
Perhaps RID won't totally kill the drone hobby, but it will certainly shrink it quite a bit.
oldguyFPV says: Good!! More room for me to fly!!
I agree but it is actual worse. It kills the whole RC flight hobby and just not drones. In fact, people who use it to take photos/video are less affected than all the other pilots.
@@ghettorecording2925unironically though, the fudds think just like this. The radio fudds are ultimate scum and RID fudds will be terrible for the hobby
@@ghettorecording2925 ....while in the meantime any RC related product will be getting discontinued or doubled in price. But you are happy because you'r already old, have stocked lots of spare parts and now it's other's problem.
@@miquelmarti6537 In the meantime, I'm fighting for my constitutionally protected rights, and you're not! I will not comply with an unconstitutional law or an unconstitutional overreaching government bureaucracy. I fly freely, baby!
overall i like the video. but my drone will be more dangerous once remote id goes into effect. it will force me to turn my night flight from a 3 strobe operation to just one strobe. (weight limit) The biggest F-up of this law is not making a grandfather clause. You compared remote ID to ADSB, fair for current production, but airplanes without a native electrical system are not required to have ADSB. The faa does not force them to have an ADSB with aftermarket battery. but I am being forced. Remote id is a bad law for many reasons.
Yep, agreed, a grandfather clause would have helped.
Certainly is keeping smart kids from getting started on their own, or with other smart kids. Cities like Los Angeles are doing their upmost to kill the hobby across the board, banning flying from every city and county park (with the exception of two parks in the 10000 square mile area), and every school playground.
Bro... Drugs addict are more profitable to the state. What do you think. California killed EVERY hobby anyone ever had in that state that's fun or mentally good just to get outside...
Including riding a dirt bike in the desert!! LOL SMH
That's why most of the flight videos you see are in office parks, parking lots, abandoned buildings, and construction yards. If you make it illegal to fly on public property, then folks will just fly on private property with/without owner permission. Being asked to leave because you're trespassing just means going to the next private property down the road. Brilliant consequences of shortsighted lawmaking.
@@AchronTimelessthe problem is that cities and states can indeed enact such laws. This comes down to the basic construct of law in the US, and of the Constitution. It is conceivable that an entire state could become a no takeoff zone, which would effectively stop legal drone use. This is where our voice as citizens and our vote will matter. If our lawmakers are blocking something that should not be blocked we need to follow the process and do something about it. Otherwise we may someday be faced with drone friendly and drone unfriendly states.
Correction - less than 50% of GA aircraft in the US are fitted with ADSB, and that before you add in all the utltalights, powered parachutes, hang gliders etc
Yeah this is a lot of one sided speculation. On your point he's just flat lying. The rest of the time he's making baseless claims. "They're just gonna grant FRIAs". Are they? I'm aware of many denials for fully compliant spaces. "Nobody's even enforcing these rules". Yeah until one idiot makes a viral video and the government overreacts and indiscriminately clamps down on everyone for show, like they always do. Think about TSA. We heard all these same rationalizations about that and they are all laughable now. This video is not only not informative, it borders on being misinformative.
Punishing THE MANY..for the few BAD actors..FOR THEIR REVENUE or piece of the pie, ALL IN THE NAME of ‘safety’. And I might add, it only STARTS here. Once Regulations are initiated..they NEVER decrease, only INCREASE.
In the history of governments, every time a right was taken away it was never given back
I've heard MANY people with RUclips channels say, "the time to make your voice heard was back in 2019!" Well, drones and FPV are a fairly new hobby and MANY of us just now getting involved. I bought a DJI Phantom back in 2015, but soon sold it, and only got back into the hobby last summer. Those of us who have gotten into it AFTER 2019 don't get our voices heard and that's probably 50% of everyone involved in the hobby today! So, I get the point, but it doesn't apply to many of us.
Also, the spoofing devices will be used by bad actors, for sure. But those in the drone community who are considering using them seem to be talking about spoofing multiple drones in the general area where they are actually flying as a way of invalidating which one you are and where you are standing. If an aircraft (medivac or something) needs to fly in the area, I would hope those spoofing would land their own aircraft and stop the spoofing for safety purposes.
The pourpose of spoofing is to invalidate the system itself. Nobody will trust it if it's not 100% dependable.
Agreed that's such an ignorant thing to say, well where were you before? I didn't even know this existed before??
Its not about the spoofing. It about an 8 Dollar device which can be dropped anywhere and create fake drone on random, with stolen RIDs. If something is that easy to spoof than RID is not about safety and security , but its a dangerous system which should be stopped before it gets messy! It would just take ONE! person with a bunch of this devices and it could render a huge portion of the airspace useless. Just think about lawsuits that can come out of this. People who wanted to comply (or companies) got their IDs stolen and now have to prove that the were not flying ... This problem could have been avoided easy if they added a bit more security to RID, but they chose not to do that ...
For what its worth, your flight data is recorded on the aircraft itself and sometimes/optionally in the controller. DJI probably has a copy and it appears to be an option to automatically upload it to DJI; you should probably assume that this is the case. Anyway, if you can prove where you were flying, you have also proved where you were not flying.
@@thomasmaughan4798only if you’re flying a pre-made flying camera tank! 😂👍
I have a drone locating app. Always says 0 drones around lol.
Spoofing is a tool to fight against RID and to invalidate the trackers who collect and act on this information. It will essentially render RID useless and agencies would need to dedicate more resources to creating more tools for validation or stop using it because it will cost too much. Think of it as the same middle finger the FAA gave us when we voiced our concern over RID, when they knew it was going to pass for DHS and other 3 letter organizations.
Spoofing can have real life consequences, from stopping firefighting aircraft because someone is spoofing drone in an area, or stopping an emergency helicopter from landing to take some to the hospital from the scene of a crash. It will only force 3 letter agencies to drop Broadcast remote ID and push for network RID, which would truly hurt the industry and the hobby.
@@PilotInstitute YOU BET RID can have real life consequences! It's a poorly thought out idea, with shitty electronics. Admit it, Greg, you are out of your league on this issue. A lot of us out here work with electronics, and have for our entire lives. RID will DIE. It will cease to be... but we won't forget how you disparaged your fellow airmen, Greggy. LOL.
@@LuMaxQFPV Of course it will have real life consequences. We've said it before, and we've told the FAA that too in multiple meetings! Sharing the location of the pilot with the general public is a horrible idea. RID won't die though, it will evolve, and it may not be for the best of the hobby or the industry when it does. 3 letter security agencies aren't giving up on trying to track drones, that's certain.
@@PilotInstitute You are absolutely correct, I'm not advocating for spoofing in areas where this might interfere with things you mentioned. All other places though are fair game, like local parks, sporting events, beaches, amusement locations, etc.
@@PilotInstituteultimately only a very small percentage of pilots will comply with RID. I know I won't. RID will fade into the sunset like the useless government overreach that it is. And you've made yourself out to be a fool with this video.
I am a Commercial Pilot, a CFI, CFI-I, Advanced Ground Instructor and a part 107 Certificate holder. That said... I wil put my next paycheck on the line that if a terrorist is going to use a drone for dastardly deeds it WILL NOT have remote ID in operation at that time, and so, if the purpose is for that reason... it is doomed to abject failure. I've squawked ID codes and/or ADSB signals since 1983. I don't have any problem w/ the requirement but it would seem that the requirement should match the ADSB rules. Not be necessary for rural area flight away from Class B, C, D airspace, or flight below 401' AGL. Keep up the good posts Greg.
Remote ID as a national security tool is not going to work for sure! And yes, RID should be only necessary in complex airspace.
I wonder if the next manned flight terrorist will have a pilot license?
Its just like TFRs, if someone is actually being legal but has bad intentions that TFR is not going to provide enough time to stop an aircraft that makes a sudden 90’ turn and dives to the target. And then if the pilot actually has skills and does not make a straight line approach they will be successful.
Hence, this RID for a 1lb foam or 2lb balsa aircraft is even more useless. This is just FAA nonsense. Yes I can understand it around B & C, but the distance restrictions already provide a buffer. What tees me off is that I’m 67 and started building and flying models when I was 11. So we get gyro-stabilization and DJI quads and people that have essentially no true interest aviation can now go buy a quad and fly the thing down the street to harass someone or over someones fence to spy on them, or do asinine stuff like lets see how high this thing can go when they live under a final approach path to major airport. And now here we are, once again the few bad apples ruin it for the many.
I think you did not consider in the near future when the RID signals are collected over a national network…then anyone with an app will be able to see pilot and aircraft… like the flightware app
Yes, it's so much worse than when we first heard about rid, has always made me suspicious of the people "oh it's not that bad just go along with it", and everytime it would get worse you'd hear the same thing... It's the whole boil the frog slowly tactic. Meanwhile I could go buy a gun legally with less fuss then flying a toy in my backyard
"i'm not a fan of mis-information", then continues to spew mis-information for 10 mins
Surprised you made it through all 10.
It did kill the hobby here. Flyers did not like the first step taken which was excessive fine threats for not registering model planes. Our field closed, all nearby hobby shops closed including two Hobby Town USA stores. If forced me to fly quadcopters in random places which is more dangerous than flying at a flying field like we were doing. Pilots of full size planes knew where we were back then. I am the only one I know of still flying around here. In this area it would be foolish to broadcast your location to all the hunters we have in the area which hate drones. The good side of this location is that nothing will change because we are in the country where you can fly and no one knows it.
I'm a pilot and I don't have ADSB OUT, it's not required in order to fly at untowered airports, you don't even need a radio. There are several estimates that are more than fifty thousand aircraft out there without ADSB. FAA D
does not compile that information at all.
I love when people who make money specifically because of government regulations, say they dislike those regulations. So very disingenuous, hypocritical, and extremely shilly...
The fact the RID will broadcast the pilot location, alone, is enough for us to demand RID be stopped. All the hopes and optimism in the universe will not stop bad actors from coming and stabbing you for your gear. I 100% guarantee that as soon as thugs and tweakers find out there is direction finder app to money, they will download is and start targeting. Just look at how many photographers are robbed every week in San Fransisco without an app telling where they are. And BTW the FAA is literally telling the public how to download the apps. So yes, plenty of the public knows.
These regulations are an absolute catastrophe for the hobby. Many people will not feel safe flying anymore, cause many to stop or never even start. Not to mention the added cost or lack or FRIAs in just about everyone's areas. We all know that model aviation is one of the biggest feeders into manned aviation. This will absolutely knee cap the hobby, and therefore the aviation industry. We are already drastically short on pilots, ATC, and aircraft mechanics. This will only serve to make matters worse. I guarantee this is not what congress intended.
as far as fines and law suits I have been trying to get people together to form a defense / legal fund specifically for Model Aviation. Oddly enough not a single other person seems interested. I guess they will care when the finally need the fund...
In my opinion every single person should be doing two things at a minimum.
1. Get a weapon, train with it, and carry it at all times. Get your CCW if your state requires it.
2. Call the DC Captial Switchboard and ask for your reps AND senators. Tell them this regulation is very bad and why. Tell them the weight limit should be at least 1Kilogram. Call them regularly until they know your voice. The phone number is (202)224-3121
P.S. Where are the links you said would be in the description?
I agree with your call to action. We've told the FAA multiple times in meeting that sharing the location of the pilot with the public is not a good idea. We've made plenty of videos against it and against over regulation of the hobby. Here are a few:
ruclips.net/video/YWLt_oxDNaw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/nzFnRxNQ6SM/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/-G2ikCL0JLk/видео.html
Regarding fines and lawsuits, there haven't been any actions against people unless they have major violations that put people's life at risk, and that's the way it should be. The FAA is not fining people because they doing minor violations (as it should be).
Cheers!
I'm taking the clueless route, "Officer/FAA/Karens what is this RID you speak of?"
I respectfully disagree with your first assessment. RID was absolutely brought about to pave ways for commercial flights such as delivery drones. There is not safety concerns from the hobby that caused RID to be brought in the rules. If so. Please show us your data.
Download and read the UTM Concept of Operations 2.0 document. Lots of great information there about the initial reason for RID, which was changed completed after the NPRM in 2019. Talk with people who were involved with the process and they will tell you the impact the DOI agencies had on the final look of RID. Delivery drones are required to have detect and avoid technology that is unrelated to RID. It really won't help them (or anyone else) in the current form it is.
Are there really going to be millions of remote ID modules available to the public at less than $50? Or any price? Couldn't you say that mandating a technology that isn't available, a criminalization of the activity. It would be like mandating new license plates for your car, but they are only available from a small company in the Czech Republic.
The price of RID will drive compliance rates. $50 is too much, as you said.
I have yet to see a remoteID module for less than 90USD, and that was a promotional deal on a module that didn’t even come with the required antennas.
I can get a whole flight controller stack for the price of the government tracking device. Wonder which I’ll buy
One of the reasons I'm in no hurry to take my exam if I even will. My location privacy should be protected. Also iphones are less than 30% of the market so about 71% of phones can detect RID.
According to multiple sources, iOS shares in the United states are around 52-55% vs 40-45% for Android. 72% is globally, but the percentages are different in the US.
@@PilotInstitute makes me sad for America
Not all Android phones will detect RID. Depends on the model.
@@PilotInstitute So why even have RID if it won't even work or it is so limited? I think there is likely an ulterior motive since I don't think the people at the FAA are that stupid.
@@PilotInstitute Found a corroborating article from last year that says 50%. iPhone usage.
I have a two-year-old Android phone that picks up RID intermittently. It definitely doesn't track the drone. The drone has to be within about 300 feet. I sat outside my garage and flew the drone at about 75' AGL back and forth between my barn and the property boundary. The closest it came to me was about 50 feet. The phone detected the drone at first, and then lost it, and didn't pick it up again until I stopped it and rotated the drone on its axis 360 degrees. Karens and RID doesn't bother me much.
When it comes to actually flight locations where you don't have to use RID are far and in between. Almost none existent or very far away! I live in Carson City, NV and the nearest one I see is NE of Reno, NV. I know a couple locations you can fly planes that are much closer, but they are not approved RID free locations either. Making drones fly where people fly their planes. Oh, boy I couldn't imagine what could go wrong there?
Great video. It will KILL hobby. No one is going to feel comfortable getting into hobby and doing this amount of registrations or putting themselves at risk. The local municipalities will also enforce unreasonable no fly zones, which will be scary. I don’t know if I’m allowed to test in my backyard or in my park. I don’t want to risk it.
From a national security perspective the USA does NOT have a monopoly on drone technology and use, if anything they should encourage drone hobbyists or we will just be a second rate garbaj drone manufacturer that uses ones from Turkey and Israel. Our government, or the ones requiring this sort of protection has more than enough technological power to disrupt and destroy UAS. Cbp is a great example
Municipalities can enforce no takeoff and land zones, but they can't enforce no fly zones. Everything above the tree tops belongs to the FAA
You overlooked that the RID system's existence opens up an attack vector for nefarious actors who do not give a hoot about legality.
If RID did not exist, then that risk is eliminated.
UAS Sentry has the capability to capture and store flight data, where stored flight data can be viewed similar to adsb exchange for manned aircraft. UAS Sentry is consumer driven and not restricted to governmental agencies.
Please tell me where they are selling self contained approved RID modules for $60? I fly advanced toys that only cost $50 - 75, that is until I learn to stop flying into the ground.
$66 for a Holy Stone on EBAY....Just bought one. 2/15/24
Where will racers practice? How will our new pilots afford the added expense of gps and a module? Will the bad or uninformed people be using remote id modules? Why does the public need to see our ground station location?
with all the rules and regulations i havent flown my drone in over a year. its so confusing and do net even know if i can legally fly now. what a waist of money in my opinion .
The one issue about comparing RID with ADS-B is that it (ADS-B) is only required in A, B, C airspace. Not in Class G, where drones fly . We were taught in ground school to remember "G" by "Go-For-It", Uncontrolled.
For now!
For the people that have a part 107 and fly as a hobby it kills it for them. I have no fria, and all of my aircraft will require remote id even ones only used for hobby purposes so i cant possibly equip each one with their own and some are too light to even carry one, both small fixed wing and tiny whoops. That needs to be fixed.
I agree this needs to be fixed. Ridiculous that a $60 XK RTF plane I bought for my nephew isn’t legal now. As for the modules, I believe that you only need to register one module if you’re a recreational flyer and you can move that between your aircraft. I don’t think it applies to 107 though :(
@@harrisoncanningcorrect any UAV flown under 107 needs its own registration and own RID. Under recreation you can use the same registration and RID
Very Good points Greg, but you lack the law degree as well, but I completely agree that the cheats and hacks can be a quick path to real problems. There will be an impact to the hobby with the AMA (their words) limiting the FRIA locations and reducing the clubs, this may turn out more unknowing folks getting hobby toys and going off on their own not knowing.(what started it all) The FAA failed to do a realistic risk assessment of what parts of the hobby are real risk, and they applied risk mitigation tactics of the FAA is a hammer and everything looks like a nail. I enjoyed your line of the tin foil hatters, however most of those were in comedy / sarcasm. However, not everyone takes it that way to your point.
I lack the law degree but I'm not telling people to go do stupid stuff that's going to put them in jail. ;)
As far as the AMA, they had a seat at the table during RID back in 2019, their representative decided to remain silent for most of the proceedings. I watched most of the live videos of the meetings that were made public.
I do agree with your assessment of the FAA's action and who should have been included in RID but I'm 99% the FAA had little say over what the final version of RID turned out to be.
@@PilotInstitute Is your "tin hat" thinking it was all political? --> I know mine thinks that as well. 3 letter agencies can have their quirks as well.
@@CentralPaRcFlyingDays Pretty much!
@@PilotInstitutelying to an officer is a federal crime 🙃
They can lie to us, but we can't lie to them, what bs is that?!
@@sylaswojciechowski6895 Yep, hence why you shouldn't do it. Ever heard of sarcasm or tongue-in-cheek?
Gregg, you should call out the “so-called“ RUclipsrs by name. That way we will know which channels are giving out “misinformation”. That way we can be confident we are getting approved information from you. Name names.
They don't deserve it. They would get more views, which would make their video rank higher. I'd rather provide the correct information so that when you come across theirs, you understand who I was talking about :)
@@PilotInstitute I would really like to know who you are referring to.
RUclips itself recommended This Guy and it is pretty easy to decide who has the better character. It is a lot like CB radio versus Ham Radio; Ham Radio has more privileges and a lot more rules, and generally conforms to the rules. CB has basically only one rule (5 watts power) and it is THAT rule that has become a sport to see who can violate it the most. But the CB'ers believe themselves morally superior. Liberty and the pursuit of happiness ("you know the thing") for ME and don't get in my way.
@@thomasmaughan4798 Gregg should still point out who he’s talking about. No phantom villains.
@@cnyphotovideo "Gregg should still point out who he’s talking about. "
He makes his choice. You make yours. I made a choice too since I know who is being discussed. The Other Guy seems very rude and disrespectful; it serves no purpose to send viewers his way and it isn't an area where mutual respect or understanding can exist. The current rules, in their most simple form airplanes and helicopters stay above 500 feet AGL and drones 400 and below. All was well and good for a few years but automated delivery drones cannot operate in that environment. Obviously, free-flying aircraft with nothing are very dangerous to automated delivery. However, it is observed that ultralights need neither Remote ID nor ADSB and thus are invisible (electronically) to other aircraft. But as they are also much larger, automated delivery drones will doubtless be programmed to avoid ultralights.
Correction to Video , ADSB is available in ALL airspace. Period,, Once your transponder is on. It's broadcasting. No matter if your airborne or on the ground.
After two years of flying under 107, I'm more concerned with the banning of DJI drones, the random homeless guy creeping up while im flying solo downtown, or another system to add to my checklist. Drones arent my bread and butter though, I do have a day job, so I get those who already have to deal with the public on a day to day basis more than a once a week flyer like myself.
No matter what anyone says, I can 99% promise you that DJI will not be banned for civilian use. It just doesn't serve a purpose, especially when nearly all of our electronics are from China. If they ban DJI because of some lame CCP data collection excuse, then they would have to ban everything from TV's and Microwaves to radios, etc. The genie is out of the bottle.
As an American it is my duty to not comply with tyranny from any 3 letter agency if enough people refuse compliance their bark looses its bite - become ungovernable
The FAA can't control manned aviation from breaking the rules. Last week at the beach there were two planes flying lower than my drone and one buzzed between me and my drone. The modules were supposed to be affordable. I'm not buying a module for a ten year old drone. $12 to $15 maybe, but no way for $350.
The price of the modules is definitely an issue. As far as the two airplanes issue, if you have footage and tail number, report it to the FAA, they take those violations VERY seriously.
Yeah no kidding, I was peacefully watching a sunset at the beach until warnings came up for an appraoching aircraft. Sure enough, show boating pilot blasts by at less than 400ft.
Each week NFL films shows drone shots flying over heavy moving traffic in cities all across the country and the FAA takes no action.
A rogue drone operator hit my home and did property damage to my home after it dropped a large block of ice on my roof with a spinning drone sky hook. It did damage to my roof and hooked shingling pulling them up. That operator has the liability to repair my home and pay damaged. Remote ID is a necessity. The wild west sky's of drone Kevin's are over.
I don't think anyone is saying you should spoof drones around airports. It is just an easy form of terrorism that is likely to happen due to the RID rules. It is an ill considered aspect of RID and is a concern.
I can say that Remote ID has killed the hobby for me. I no longer have a drone, and have no plan to purchase again anytime soon.
Now I will say that it’s not the fear of being tracked that killed it for me. It’s all the new and changing rules that killed it. The uncertainty of purchasing a +$1000 drone today that might only have a couple years lifespan terrifies me. The yearly changes to the rules makes it tough to stay up on what you can and can’t do, and honestly part 107 requirements take the fun out of what was once a fun hobby that allowed me to shoot some great aerial photographs.
So for now, and possibly forever, I’m out.
I agree. RID totally killing the hobby.
I quickly switched to part 107 and have become a digital creator. I love it. I announce to people what I'm doing and they participate or not and appreciate the transparency.
In the time since RID has become a thing I have moved from spectator to entering the hobby. Part 107 is my next stop.
I work in the IT and information security field and I have my concerns, but I am also realistic here. If I am in public any person can see me and can see what I am doing. This is not private. My location is part of that.
Now if I had a heavy investment in aircraft I had built, I can see this would be a big deal. I would not want to attach a module or worse, be stopped from flying what I had spent potentially thousands on. In a way I am there with a couple of “slow stick” model airplanes I will never fly again. But I am not allowing that to stop me from moving forward in a hobby that has moved far beyond where I started.
@@jonathonmontgomery2535 As I mentioned, for me it’s not about the fear of being tracked. It’s about the constant rule changes.
The hang up to me is that the FAA should not even be involved in regulation under a certain altitude. I flew mostly just above the tree line. If you have manned aircraft flying at that height, you’ve got bigger problems then my drone. In other words, in my opinion, the airspace should be unregulated below a certain altitude (with obvious exceptions for no fly zones, events, etc.) Commercial drones should be flying in designated regulated air space, above the unregulated space reserved for hobbyists, and below that of manned aircraft’s. If you want access to that regulated airspace, you need a 107 and you need to follow the rules.
That’s my opinion anyway.
That is insane that you can be labeled a terrorist for using a spoofing device, not that I think anyone should use that or be free to use that. It just doesn't fit the definition of terrorism.
I am going to comply because of part 107. You know that one of the RID modules can accidentally go off at an airport? Especially if they are charged and ready to use. How will they determine that it was deliberate?
Precisely!
They can't and they will never rely on RID . That's why this is all BS. Airports have other means of detecting small flying objects in their airspace.
Regarding #6, are you sure about your definition of terrorism? In all of the definitions I've found for both the UK and the US, they tend to involve an act of violence for a political purpose.
Now there are specific things in the US around critical infrastructure, but my understanding is that's a completely separate thing from terrorism. So I'm curious, what are you basing your assertion that interference of infrastructure would count at terrorism on? Of course I'm sure the penalty would be severe regardless of how it was classified, but I wouldn't want there to be any misinformation. :)
the term "domestic terrorism" means activities that-
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended-
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion;
Only needs to be dangerous to human life.
@@PilotInstitute That's interesting I haven't seen that definition before, but that leads to another question - Does the spoofing of Remote ID locations constitute a danger to human life?
I can't seem to find the document anymore, but I have a recollection of the FAA stating that remote ID could not be used to enforce separation of aircraft. Assuming I'm not mis-remembering this if remote ID is solely for the identification of UAS pilots and is not related to the safe flying of manned aviation, that implies that spoofing remote ID (And only remote ID) is not an act which is dangerous to human life.
It would certainly meet the definition of (B ii), but I'm not convinced about it meeting the definition of (A).
@@yngndrw. Spoofing, no. Spoofing near airports and disrupting airlines activity, yes. Airports have drone detection systems so spoofing near them can not only create unnecessary shutting down airline activity, it can also give the whole industry/hobby a real bad reputation. Same thing that happened with the supposed drone flights at Heathrow...
@@PilotInstitute But disruption and bad reputation is very different to causing danger to human life. Don't get me wrong the legal repercussions are very serious and as you highlight the bad reputation is undesirable at a time when they are regulating us - But I don't think it's correct to suggest that it meets the definition of terrorism.
And don't get me started on Heathrow - Absolutely no evidence was produced despite a very heavy police presence and the police force had to settle a dispute with the couple they arrested for the crime of being "drone enthusiasts" in the area. Personally I think it was staged for both legislative purposes and for the benefit of manufacturers of the untested "anti-drone equipment" that was later installed at all of the major airports - Our government over here in the UK has a history of handing out contracts to friends of politicians and I believe that situation was no different. I appreciate you have a differing opinion on hidden agendas in relation to these various regulations but that's my view on the Heathrow incident given my experience of the government over here.
@@yngndrw. Agreed on Heathrow. As far as terrorism charges, we shall see if someone decides to do it, hopefully we won't.
@4:55, there is a difference between what you think and what you know. The fact of the matter is you do not know. @9:42 lets take you own logic I dont think it will happen... I am optimistic that the hobbiest wont do it, yes it wont happen. As a person who gives instruction on Part 107, I say that you can do better than this .
Time will tell about the devices being able to get a clear signal. Right now, our testing shows it's not very reliable. Unless you have other data which we're happy to look at.
As far as proofing near airports, I hope no one does it either because it will make the community and industry look really bad. Like it did with the supposed drone at Heathrow a few years ago.
FAA punishes those who already follow the rules. I follow rules, took the tests, requested LAANC in airspaces. Only to have FAA spit on face and cost me more money for Remote ID equipment.
How are you financially incentivized to defend remoteID? Does the Pilot Initiative gain from more people having 107 pilot training?
Remote ID and 107 have nothing to do with each other. RID applies to everyone, 107 or not.
Remote ID is Killing The Hobby For Me. My Typhoon H does not have extra plugins to add onto it. Its main board is the flight board and the reciever so it may cost over $1000 to be wired in and get put on a yr long wait list I suppose. Im not buying any more flying machines that arent underweight toys, Im Done! There are probably alot of aircraft not designed for Remote ID and have all the electronics on one board and dont have a "Remote ID Input and output" built in. These are rules meant to fuck over Americans that went World-Wide
For almost 50 years as a model aviation enthusiast, it was a joy to go down to a local park or backyard and spent time doing what we loved, now it's like walking through a minefield of rules and regulations which have sucked all the fun out of model flying. Every time I try to become compliant, a new rule or regulation is forced upon our hobby. It's just not worth the hassle, and possible criminal record for an innocent mistake by not being up to the minute on some new rule/regulation, I'm done with it, there are a number of other hobbies I can dedicate my time to.
One of my big concerns with the FAA is the issue of fines. In order to operate legally, we have to register with the FAA. I feel that violators of the FAA laws (when they become constitutionally created) should result in, first the temporary or permanent revocation of the registration which gives us the right to operate. Only if someone insist on operating without a valid registration should those huge fines enter consideration. No one should have to fly legally while having those ridiculous fines hanging over one's head. In my opinion, those fines are intended to dampen our interest in this hobby.
NOTE: I was not able to view this video because of other commitments, so this issue may well be already on your minds.
Greg, as you say, RID was not in the initial UTM proposal, but added for security reasons (IE terrorist or your famous “don’t be that guy”) reasons. I agree with most of your comments. But from my own point of view, I should not need to purchase two modules at $200 each (and unavailable) to Velcro to my older camera drones, certainly not if flying just over the tree tops or under FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. I certainly am not flying them in circle in a FRIA in the next county. My pet peeve with RID? I am supposed to use RID in a rural area, no airports for 10 miles while manned aircraft, private and commercial, are flying over my house at 1200-1500 AGL without being required to use ADSB. If I am not a bad actor, why should I be required to have RID in this situation?
100% agree with you!
No I think it is bigger than that. Remember digital TV . Electric cars. Gun rights . Parental rights . Control of the population. Is the reason in my opinion.
Remote ID will not longer be an issue moving forward with new drones that will have it automatically installed. This really only a hit to the drone pilots that have been flying and owning drones from early days.
I don't know much about this subject, but the federal government typically reaches in and ruins the freedoms. They mandated all mobile phones have speaker phone, not so you can have the feature, but so they could use the more powerful microphone to listen in on the room. I don't think any of this is going to interfere with filmmmaking flights over scenic areas, for a while. It's almost unenforceable in that context. However, the next step will be to build the restrictions in to the drone's firmware and make it responsive to soft-walls around sensitive areas. Once that is done, the public will also buy the soft-wall transmitters to cover their private property, schools, or anything and drones will start falling from the sky, landing unexpectedly, or returning to the launch site fairly regularly. They could even be subdivision-wide broadcasts from the Home Owners' Associations.
Older drones without the feature will be unaffected. That's just my opinion. I don't even own one yet.
Following the rules should be an absolute no brainer, regardless of where in the world a UAV is being flown! Individually, we don't have to necessarily agree with the rules - promulgated by ICOA directives, that are developed by ALL its member states, of which there are 193 in 2023, but we are all bound by those rules to fly our "toy" or "agricultural workhorse" in accordance with those regulations, no exceptions!
Remember, if you fly a drone, you're a pilot, subject to all relevant regulations. The only exceptionalism permitted when flying a drone, recreationally, or commercially relates (possibly) to the type of gimbal payload and whether the pilot might choose to take a photography or make a video.
Happy and safe flying 😁😎
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Not going to worry about it , when I fly in my back yard it never gets above roof line , when I fly out camping, I'm out where no one is
I disagree about sharing the location of the pilot going to be an issue. And the reason why I say that is that all it takes is one one person who is motivated enough to do all the research to find out everything they need until require all the tools to locate remote pilot in command, and then all I need to do is find one remote pilot in command and do what ever it is they were looking to do.
Our local Law Enforcement will not be concentration on remote ID , only if the drone is causing dangerous activity to others, forest fires etc.
As it should be.
Thanks for the video. But I really don't understand if you are saying that Remote ID is not going to kill the hobby because FPV and Model Aviation people are not going to comply? or because the FAA is not going to go after people sending fines? Another question rise up: Ok, let's say The government is not going to go after non compliant. Is that because they don't want to, or because they simply don't have the resources to go after non compliant?
For both reasons quite frankly to your first and second points. Those who love to fly but don’t want to comply won’t comply. The FAA a won’t go after the average person who’s not complying. The FAA doesn’t have the resources. They’ll do the same thing they do now, which is to go after people when something major happens.
@@PilotInstitute Thanks for taking the time. Everything you say sounds reasonable to me. My only concern is if RID falls into the fangs of states or other institutions and they use it as an excuse to collect fines over local sketchy regulations. Another thing is I don't think anyone who will do a major airspace violation is going to be broadcasting RID. To me the only way to increase airspace safety is to enforce strict geofence to all drone manufacturers and also the system that warns you when an aircraft is approaching.
The big big big difference here is that I don't own a tall enough ladder to harass a pilot flying by his privacy is respected but mine is not and my certificate says I am an airman just like you
I'm a fixed wing flyer and it sounds like Remote ID is here to stay. I plan on playing by the rules. I don't exactly want to find out what happens if you don't play by the rules. I imagine this is paving the way for commercial automated flight (amazon delivery, etc). I think the likelihood is pretty slim you might ever need it or would get checked on it.. but I prefer not to find out. It's not going to ruin the hobby for me. I'll bet in a year or two every rc aircraft will have it built in or for folks like me that build planes - the radio systems will come with it. I can't see a bunch of people runnnig around with apps looking for "drones".. most people will probably never know that tech exists except for us.
I am NOT worried about the "Karens" being able to find me flying. But the nefarious folk that want to find where someone is flying an enterprise drone will be technologically capable. In spades. They will use whatever will best help them find folk. Yes, I have taken my paranoia medications for the day.
Yep, I don’t disagree.
I was flying a Mavic 3 over new construction a few miles from a small untowered airfield when I heard an audible alert about nearby air traffic. That's the first I have encountered DJI AirSense, an ADSB-IN receiver built right into the drone. That's amazing! I've been using a Stratus ADSB-IN receiver to spot suitably equipped ADSB-OUT aircraft, but in Class G rural airspace there's a fair number of airplanes not equipped so it almost isn't worth the trouble to break out the ADSB receiver.
But now it is built in! Ideal for those flights that happen to be in areas likely to have low flying (and ADSB-OUT equipped) manned aircraft. I wonder if AirSense also alerts on other drones?
Thanks Greg. I agree with almost everything you've said in this video. My only opposing opinion relates to the harmlessness of pilot location from a practical standpoint. I flew at a large-scale public event recently. I had LAANC approval and was flying 100% legally and safely. Within a few minutes of my first launch, I had a drone flying above me. Ironically, my RID was visible, including pilot location, but the bogey was not. I think there's an awful lot of ways this information can be abused beyond the "casual Karen" situation.
Like I said in the video, I'm definitely not a fan of the location being broadcast to the public. It was part of my comment on the NRPM in 2019. I still think very few "Karens" will know how to pick up the signal, or will physically be able to. I certainly hope so.
@@PilotInstitute like I said, I agree with everything else in the video. I too was a vocal opponent of the system as it was originally outlined, and as amended prior to final release. What I think isn't getting enough attention is that the real concern will not be from casual threats, but rather more sophisticated bad actors.
And let's be honest, even a layperson will be able to watch a short RUclips video and have a working tracker within a few minutes if they have an Android phone. This will be especially problematic for pilots who operate routinely near a person that wants to cause trouble. I hope I'm wrong, but even if I am, my greater concern is for the more ambitious bad actors.
@@PilotInstitute I don't think it's random citizens who pose any threat. They can call the police all they want. The police can easily verify who I am. I'm more concerned with those who wish to do me harm. Broadcasting my location says "hey, thieves: here is a guy with a multi-thousand dollar toy who is likely distracted and by himself. Go steal the remote and then his drone."
@@markkempton4579 No doubt about it! We've been vocal about this issue for several years. Our only solace is that the technology will suck and those bad actors won't be able to use it.
@@PilotInstitute My story above is telling: the law-abiding pilot (me) was quickly identified by someone who at a minimum intended to harass me, while they (bad actor) were not RID compliant and were invisible to me.
My experience with Drone Scanner has shown very good results with a 4-year-old Android phone, so presuming "security through obscurity" is probably a false hope.
Again, I would love to be wrong, but the coming months will be stressful at minimum.
The FAA is a joke, there was no reason to need this on hobbyist drones.
Those spoofing projects shows that a module can be built for less than $50.
Spoofing does not require an actual GPS *receiver* it is simply transmitting fake coordinates anyway.
@thomasmaughan4798 never said it was. But throw a GPS receiver to such an ESP32 project, along with an accelerometer (if the GPS receiver doesn't provide that) for detecting takeoff, and you've got yourself a module.
Do sub 250g drones flown for recreational purposes need to be remote ID compliant? Could I turn off the transmitter gps on my DJI mini 3?
The FAA isn't killing the hobby, the FAA has killed the hobby.
"It's no big deal" is what I'm hearing from many RUclipsrs with a mass audience including yourself. I do believe you are a bit naive as to where the technology is and how quickly it will develop, and missing the point regarding the legal issues for anyone wanting to fly anything from September onward. Are we now all considered criminals unless we are in full, subjective compliance?
Like someone is gonna put a remote id in a drone and fly where they aren't suppose to be
Excellent video! I just purchased a Roku F11Gim2. This drone comes with Remote ID and GPS navigation. Does this mean I can fly Beyound Visual Line of Sight (BVLOS)? If not, can I fly on my own property BVLOS?
I blame the AMA for not being on top of this when these drones began to flood the market. And they were selling drones to the general public. That had no idea there were rules to insure the safety of those in the air as well as on the ground. Common sense told me not to fly near airports without having to be told.
Great information Greg from you and your team at Pilot Institute. Appreciate the support you provide the community. Unfortunately, the knuckleheads will continue to put out garbage content putting us at risk. Am I a fan of RID in its current iteration? Of course not. We need to maintain a collective, consistent and responsible voice going forward, instead of moaning and groaning. A great step is to support the Drone Advocacy Alliance. Thanks again.
Why did GoPro make an automatic download that stopped pairing the Karma drone with the controller? Thousands of Karma drone owners all over the world are left with useless expensive drones sold by GoPro and the company has washed their hands of it and will not correct it.
I need clarity. I have DJI mini 2. My primary use for, it is to measure tree height for a non profit organization that I volunteer for…this is my chosen method to do the measurements and I do not receive any compensation. So in my mind this is non commercial. Because I am flying in tree canopies I use prop guards and because I takeoff and land in rough terrain I use landing gear. This puts my drone over 250. I have completed TRUST certification and my drone is FAA registered. How do I handle remote I’d for mini 2?
I'm wondering how much these modules will cost? and how it will affect the dji mini-series as it would force people to increase the weight of the drone over the 249 grams?
It wouldn't affect them at all because of that very reason you stated; they are under 250g. So you don't have to strap a module on it unless you are flying under part 107 and in that case the sub 250g class means very little for you because you have to register and comply with rid regardless of weight. Oh and your comment doesn't apply to mini 3/mini3 pro or any future mini uav as by law they have RID built in. Only mini 1 and mini 2 have no RID. So if you were flying mini 1/2 under 107 you would need to register and buy a module, if you are flying rec then it doesn't matter.
4:35 I bet it’s just a matter of time before a Flipper Zero app is made for the WiFi module.
I mean if you use squidrid on an ESP32 you might be able to make a flipper app that interacts with it since the PC can interact with the squidrid esp32 once programmed.
SquidRID can run on the wifi module already.
RID is going to kill the Hobby. What you are seeing is folks buying up drones and planes that do not have a RID module, before the price goes up do a required RID module from the manufacture. I will not pay more to the RC manufacture. I know a lot of people will not pay more. It will overall kill RC sales.
FAA employees= 45,000 total. FAA inspectors= 4,000 total in 105 CMO's and FSDO's in the country. Talk about spreading something thin. So if I'm in a remote location flying without remote ID I'd bet my next paycheck you'll be ok. FRIA's are not being granted in the manner we imagined and because of that remote ID is hurting the hobby. I flew my first model airplane in 1961. It was control line. My Dad and I flew that WenMac P-38 and I was hooked. At the time I was 8yrs old. I won't be able to have that experience with my grandchildren because of FAA requirements, not even if I fly on my property
I have and will continue to fly drones with my kids. RID won’t prevent me from doing that. And it won’t stop other people either. People will continue to do what they love.
It’s getting worse every day. More fees and regulations coming if we continue to accept them.
September is right around the corner. How do folks who use drones for mapping like the P4PV2 keep legal?
My Part 107 expired… man im so frustrated knowing i have to take that test and study for it all over again. Its been so long lol
Armando, you don't! Go to faasafety.gov/gslac/ALC/course_content.aspx?cID=677 and take the course and the exam, you will get a certificate of completion, which makes you current again for 2 years. Your certificate never expires, only your currency does.
Part 107 never expires. You just need to take the online course to get current.
@@PilotInstitute I did that two days ago. Takes about 2 hours. It is a lot easier than the initial test. 45 questions at the end of the training cycle.
As a Operator I carry gear. NY drone weighs alot so I'm kinda limited. I wear lvl 3 soft body armor, glock 43x for sidearm. Knife. Misc other equipment. But I'm unable to carry a rifle
What options do I have beside paying $200 for a remote id module (DroneTag) for my Phantom 4 Pro? Are there any other companies on the horizon building them before the September deadline so I can continue to fly legally. (I have my part 107 certification)
Standby, there are cheaper options including one that's not released to the public yet. We are still evaluating them.
@@PilotInstitute Thanx for all your help with all things “drone” thru the years. I very much appreciate it.
Bluemark is a complany making them - the range is $120-$150ish. I just ordered one to try on on of my park flyers.
1:08 yeah, because a "bad drone" is going to totally register itself before kamikaze into a building.
Question. If you can't generally, or from far, detect the signal info, then why would the 3-letter agencies want this if they also can't detect from far?
Just because you can’t detect it, doesn’t mean you’re undetectable lol. It just depends on how annoying you are whether or not they’ll be bothered with you.
As a part 107 pilot, I'm going to comply. Don't like some of the aspects of it, but I will comply. But I will also be caring protection with me, as I already do.
That has been on my mind
I want to know if I get a part 107, does that make flying my 20 gram drones illegal? Because you can't put a remote ID on them. A 1s battery won't power them & the module probably weights so much that the tinyhawk won't even fly with that much added weight on it. I've heard that if you're a Pary 107 pilot, ALL of your drones, including under 250 gram drones, have to be registered & have to use Remote ID. Is that true? I know this sounds so ridiculously stupid that it can't possibly be true, but we are talking about government agencies here. Stupid is the name of the game. Also part of the game is the government agencies do not give a single crap if you're not allowed to fly something that you've been flying for years.
5:28 Signal distance from iphone - Is that why there are some reports of performance degradation with the new remote id update (DJI FPV specifcally)? What happens if you're flying remote ID based off an iphone connection and you go beyond the distance of transmission?
RID is on the drone, not the controller so it has no effect on signal link between the station and the drone.
Here is one issue that you talked about how a lot of people ain't going to know how to download the app you do realize the media is going to cover all that they're already starting to teach the general public how to do it
It's telling that your best defense of RID is that nothing is going to work as planned. The FAA *probably* won't prosecute you for breaking the law (though, they could if they wished). Your RID signal *probably* is too weak to transmit very far (though, people have reported picking up these signals from ten miles distant). Karen's cell phone *probably* isn't compatible with the RID signal (though, other devices are). People *probably* won't be able to figure out how to interpret GPS coordinates from a RID module (though, somebody could sell a device that does this automatically, and who said that Karen couldn't read a map?).
The last I read, the FAA has not even *reviewed*, never mind approved, ANY FRIA anywhere in the United States. The only market available RID modules cost about $300. Comparing $10k ADSB on $100k aircraft is not the same as $300 for RID modules on $800 drones. Not every manned aircraft has or is required to have ADSB.
Overall, this video is bad. If anything, it ironically highlights the fiasco that RID is.
It's not a video defending remote ID. You missed the idea. But as is, the FAA has hardly prosecuted anyone for anything drone related, the signal IS weak (we tested it), half of the phones can't pickup Wifi RID signals (all Apple Phones) - we tested that too, if you tried any of the apps, you will see how archaic they look. So not too many "probably" so far. Test it yourself and tell us what you think.
Modules are still expensive, I 100% agree, but one is available at $69. And yes, Remote ID is a giant shit show, we talked about that before in other videos.
Wont ever comply with rid. Screw that mess.
Great vid...thanks! Playing Devil's Advocate here on RID: Karens vs Drone Pilot via drone tracking apps. As with anything that's new to the public, I forsee a many confrontations happening as public awareness increases about drone tracking apps, ranging from one side of the spectrum where the confrontation is mild (pilot is informing about drone, laws, etc) to the extreme end where confrontations may get down right physical. Yes, I will fully comply with RID on my end, but can I hold FAA accountable if RID ignites an incident where physical harm was the result?
I always call the local PD when I'm going to fly. They have 0 problem with it. I literally fly next to the prison, and I call before I do every time. I've had cops come out and watch initially, let them try on my FPV goggles and stuff, they love it.
@03:25 _"Myth #2, this is going to make flying unsafe -- and quite frankly this is the only one bit that I have seen coming out of videos complaints about Remote ID I have to agree with"_
It had to be mentioned because it will hopefully be a myth due to bad technology on the drone and/or phone side. Still not a perfect solution but a potential solace.
@@PilotInstitute The problem is (as I will elaborate in a reaction video -- perhaps designed to get clicks and boost my Patreon, haha) is that the FAA has already promoted RID as a way for the public to ease their fears when seeing drones in the skies (yes, even Instagrammers filming in the woods). I would not be surprised if there are "public awareness" campaigns launched which encourage the public to use an app and to report any "unauthorized" drone flights that don't appear on RID apps. This will, of course, produce a ridiculous amount of work for LEO and the FAA as sub250g craft and craft with weak RID modules also fail to appear on the app and authorities become overwhelmed with invalid reports of "unauthorized drones".
@@xjet Another solace, the FAA's reach with the general public is nonexistent. The overload on LEO is certainly a concern, which will lead them to filter the complaint and only respond to the more serious ones, or eventually totally ignore drone complaints. Just like the FAA, they just don't have the bandwidth.
@@PilotInstitute Ah but remember, this isn't an FAA initiative... it's a congressional mandate driven by DHS and other TLAs. The FAA may not have the desire or budget to popularize the app but do not discount the potential for other agencies and the government itself to promote the app as a way of boosting "national security".
@@xjet Indeed, wouldn't put it past them.
If you turn off your GPS, how can they find out that you did that?