I think this kind of dialogue works for Deadpool, since he’s aware that he’s in a movie. That doesn’t mean it works for Thor, Ant-Man, Dr Strange, and everyone else in the MCU.
Anyways, we both started blasting, only I started blasting sooner and when he was about to start blasting back he was full of blaster fire marks and the neural pathways connecting his brain to his fingers had all but disintegrated, and, long story short, I turned out the only one who actually started blasting.
And "they" are liars, because George isn't bad with dialogue; he just has his own distinct style of dialogue. And in Star Wars, that style works really well. It's when you force in a radically different style of dialgoue that things fall apart, as seen here.
I think it's more like "we're in a comic book movie, but we're ashamed of it, because comic books are nerdy. Therefore we must absolutely not take anything seriously. People will think we're cool if we're constantly mocking the source material. Comic books are dumb, right guys?"
@@Angel_Investor_MusicI don't think it's a fair assessment of marvel films? Yeah, they often inject levity in scenes that could be serious, but there's enough drama played completely straight. And it's not like one-liners, puns and slapstick weren't an integral part of action films for the entirety of the genre's existence.
@@AliceLoverdrive I think early Marvel movies like the first Iron Man were better about it. The humor felt appropriate and not too forced. But the later movies got really obnoxious with the humor to the point where they were referencing TikTok memes, Fortnite and screaming goat videos.
@@AliceLoverdriveI think like someone else said early on Marvel movies were more tongue in cheek about it. They made an effort to have really cool scenes like with the Iron Man series or the first Avengers. I don't think it's just a fear of being seen as nerdy, it's that stuff that's lighthearted, family friendly and fun is what gets the biggest audiences. They chose to be as mainstream as possible and stupid tiktok humour and overtaking every emotional scene is popular rn. Most people don't go to watch Marvel movies because they're big comic book needs. Most of them like the Marvel movies, like Spiderman or something and just wanna see a movie. Very few fans of Marvel movies actually go read all the comics and stuff too. After all, Marvel is owned by Disney, who wants every dollar squeezed out of everything as much as possible. EXAMPLE OF MY POINT: I love Thor Ragnarok (🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿) but that sort of silly, comedic humour is far more popular, and I think especially Ragnarok showed that most people are pretty happy seeing the fairly serious and kickass but at times silly Thor become mostly silly and sometimes kickass.
@@JohnDaker35p I haven't seen anything MCU since Endgame and have no desire to, but I think the more likely explanation is that you view later films through a different lens. The franchise been running for 15 years, fatigue is inevitable, it's hard to care for something for a decade and a half, especially given how everyone who was in high school when Iron Man released is now in their 30s and thus is a fundamentally different person. And like... Action films are inherently pretty goofy, always have been, unless you are going to argue that "a badass guy badassly kills people while dispensing one-liner puns left and right" is some kind of serious high brow cinema. Hell, the most iconic Indiana Jones scene is a 1-to-1 Marvel-style bathos-powered joke: first, they establish a serious confrontation and then anticlimactically resolve it for laughs.
Darth Vader: "That is the system. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them. Set your course for the Hoth system. General Veers, prepare your men, and also, hit my tunes... it's time for the Empire... to Strike Back!" *Back in Black by AC/DC starts playing*
It is a normal line, but only in the right context. The way it's used in the video is not the right context, because anyone with working eyesight probably already saw the walkers out in the open, and everyone knew to expect the imperials in the first place. To the audience the walkers would have been a big deal, because it hasn't seen them in the previous film, but in-universe the rebels know them well enough. So, context. The maker(s) of this edit are just poking fun.
When is this ever said in the mcu? I can only think of a somewhat similar line when tony notices fr strange seeing the 14 million outcomes in infinity war but its reworded. Maybe in wakamda forever when the americans find vibranium at the bottom of the icean vut again its reworded for drama not comedic like that lime is supposed to be. Coulson tells fury in the first Thor, we found it sir and camera pans to Thor's hammer. But its again played for dramatic effect not comedic
@@georgeoldsterd8994 you kinda missed the point. "Uhh guys?" And All of these lines in the vid are the kind that completely suck out the tension in a serious scene. That's the issue with Marvel, they can never drop the comedy.
Early MCU: Used comedy to provide some levity in otherwise mostly serious films. Current MCU: Jokes every 30 seconds because the writers are afraid that audiences will lose interest. Also because the plot probably isn't strong enough to stand on its own.
@@bikramarora1819 I don't watch a lot of Marvels, that superhero shit is cringe, but the first IronMan was pretty serious. A few lighthearted moments but overall quite dramatic.
Dude that Hoth scene with “Uhh guys? You might wanna see this” is so accurate it hurts. Thank GOD that movie was made before this kind of dialogue became popular
When Marvel used it as a spice it was fine, but now it’s all the dialogue. It’s like the people who made mcu didn’t realize most people like salt on their food but nobody wants to eat a handful of salt
Yeah, that line was set up to... subvert expectations, but hear me out. It's not just subverting the expectation of what tone a Star War movie can possibly have, increasing the spectrum of galactic possibility. Most of the rest of the movie is the neo-rebels being held under an opressive siege by the neo-empire. So setting the not-empire up as a joke subverts that expectation. Until it gets subverted again and the first Empire turns out to actually be the joke all along!1!!!1111!! (I honestly like the movie and think that line was fine btw)
The frustrating that about it is that Disney got the rights to the movies during the time when the MCU was still good, so it was very possible that they could've had good Star Wars sequels too. Instead, they ended up making the prequel trilogy look good by comparison.
"The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural." "You mean, like... butt stuff?" "..." "It's butt stuff, right?"
I know! I'll play the longggg con! Hide 10000 smaller model Star Destroyers each with around 38000 crew, officers, troopers. Then they sit stationary in a hidden position for 25-35yr! Brilliant.
No...just, no. 😠 Leave Monty Python out of this, will you? MCU cringe is like a repellent for actual (and better) comedians. The entire Python troupe would be so unimpressed it'd hurt.
Marvel uses this sort of dialogue because they lack confidence in themselves. They think, What if a moment fails to produce the desired effect for the audience? By inserting these jokes, they can claim they were never trying to make the audience feel sadness, anger, awe, etc. They were just messing around. Makes me respect George Lucas's sincere writing more now.
I absolutely hate this "self conscious/meta" humor. It's an excuse for bad writing and it undercuts any moment of tension making marvel movies feel like a protracted stand up with too much special effects.
Remember that scene at the beginning of TFA when Kylo Ren came to raid and massacre a village and then a minute later when Po is being interrogated by Kylo he says "So WhO tAlKS FiRSt? I tAlk FirSt? YoU tALk FiRSt? iT's VeRY HarD To UndErsTanD YoU WiTH alL ThE...." I mean Star Wars is owned by the same company that owns Marvel anyway.
Eh, yeah the dialogue is a bit silly considering the circumstances but I see it as Poe trying to look tough when he's really scared and doesn't want to show it. I still get why that line rubs people the wrong way though
@@IARESMART8, regardless of that, the line is very clearly not of the style Star Wars typically uses, and that's why it's so noticeable and irritating. People in Star Wars just do not talk like this.
I half expected Kylo Ren to cast Sith lightning on Poe to shut him up, it would have made for a far more intimidating presence and establish that he is a no-nonsense entity and was well-trained in the dark-side of the Force.
@@IARESMART8 I mean, I get that, but it just doesn't make sense to pretend to not be even a little scared in a situation where you might be about to get tortured or killed. It maybe makes sense if you're being interrogated by a minor imperial official who can't do anything much worse than give you a speeding ticket, but if you're talking to a Sith your message should be more about conveying that you're prepared to withstand pain and to die with dignity if need be, rather than acting like you think the whole thing is a joke. He could say something more like "if you expect me to talk, then I expect you to work much harder than this." Still kinda flippant and sassy, but at least it acknowledges the possibility of torture and I think it sounds a little more like something Obi-Wan or at least Han Solo might have said in a similar situation. The problem is that Poe sounds like an actor at the start of a scene in a movie where he knows he's a main character who's not dying anytime soon, instead of sounding like a man who knows his next words might be his last.
Some of the actual Marvel films do it fine like Thor Ragnarok because the actors are so good at delivering it. The problem is that every dumb suit and their mom has decided to copy the writing style and blindly apply it to their IP.
It was ok when that was one or two or three movies, its ok to have "marvel dialogue" nobody complained during the early infinity saga,but when its EVERY MOVIE including movies that absolutely shouldnt have it really is what made it an insult.
I'm convinced this is what Hell's theater movies are like, at first it wouldn't be too bad but then hours later you wish you could blow your brains out.
@@BthIX I believe there's a difference here. Qui Gon was a light side user. He was stabbed and so he died. Maul is a dark side user, so he clings to the world. Besides, Maul is an alien with enhanced physiological abilities. I think Maul, Vader and Palpatine (accomplished Siths) surviving makes sense. But Reva was a youngling when Anakin stabbed her. And Sabine was not even that strong in the force. That's why I disagree. As for Palps? I only hate the fact that Anakin (the chosen one) didn't kill Palps and restore balance to the force. It should have been him. Maybe his force ghost should have killed him or something. That was his entire point.
@@BthIXthey at least added lore and reasons why he did survive disney are just like "yeah don't care they survived just because... Yeah because we want no further explenation needed"
@@BthIXthe fact that saber cooks your organs is enough reason to be dead. And where she was stabbed normally are the lungsand other organs so normally there is no way anyone could survive this but yeah one day is now Enough in star wars to completeley recover from that
In all seriousness, it was funny when Ironman talked like that. Less so when everyone in a 50-movie series talks like that. Remember in the first Avengers movie, when all the leads had distinct personalities and they at least paid a little lip service to people existing outside the main cast? Those were the days ...
Marvel lost me when the snap, which should be the darkest event in history, was treated as something to joke about by the characters. Every person would be utterly traumatized by losing so many loved ones, but sure lets open a Thanos themed ice cream shop
@@RisingSunfishit's funnier watching star wars fans of all things make fun of Marvel as if Star Wars isn't a travesty right now lol. Marvel after Deadpool 3 is starting to get back on track now
@@train123zStar Wars is a movie regarded as the first example of the "New Adventure Cinema", probably called New Wave in american filmography. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg CREATED that genre. Common thing in it is using multiple cultural inspirations to achieve something FUN. So educate yourself. Might also want to look up the definition of "travesty".
@@batmanbud2 Yeah, they are great lines and I like A New Hope a lot. The point is that star wars is already chock full "marvel dialogue" without any edits. It's really not a marvel exclusive thing. It's in Die Hard (1988), it's in The Rock(1996), it's in Nobody (2021), it's everywhere.
Ok, now do Star Wars but with Sony Marvel movies, eg: "Your father was a Jedi. I was with him on Mustafar as he was doing a backflip just before he died" and "Somehow, Palpatine returned"
I so hated it in Thor Ragnarok. Epic and tragic scene that's meant to be impactful - no, take this joke that completely ruins the mood and makes you question why you even tried to care about the characters
Are you referring to the end when they’re watching Asgard be destroyed and Korg tries to make a speech about how it can be rebuilt, but then it just explodes and he’s like “Oh, yeah, well not anymore.” Because yes, I agree that sucked.
@@Hurtle885hu8bu Yes, things like that. From the name Ragnarok it felt like it's gonna be a dark story about the end of Asgard. Every single moment like that was reduced to nothing by a bottom level joke, especially that joke in the end after Asgard explodes
@ilyafilipo Yeah. I really enjoyed Ragnarok at the time, but now that it’s become the standard for every MCU movie (and pretty much any other big franchise) it’s not as fun anymore.
I remember watching the first Thor movie and thinking all the self aware dialogue was really fun. I don’t know if it was always bad or it just got way too overdone, but that was the only movie I liked in that style, and if I watched it again I’d probably cringe the whole way through. I want to say that the style is just bad period. But I wonder… is it a trend thing? Was it popular because it was a break from movies that took themselves seriously like a normal story? And now it feels gross and out of touch because marvel and everyone else keeps hitting the same buttons hoping for the same result without creating anything original? Will movies become unironic again, and will that eventually get old as well, only for the cycle to repeat? I have no idea, maybe I just liked the first Thor movie because I was a kid lol.
@@trevorpacelli8056, it's not the jokes that are the problem. It's the fact that the Sequels rely on Whedon-style dialogue instead of the dialogue style that George Lucas used for the original six films, which makes them sound less like actual Star Wars films, and more like Marvel movies.
@@occam7382 "Whedon-style dialogue?" What do you mean by that? Also, George Lucas hardly had a consistent dialogue style for the original six films, considering the way the prequels were written was entirely different from how the OT was written. The sequel trilogy actually sounds more like the OT than the prequel trilogy does.
I'm gonna ask you this one time : where are the midi-chlorians ? Yeah ? I'll do you one better : who are the midi-chlorians ?! I'll do *you* one better : *why* are the midi-chlorians ?
Even the bad films of yesterday elicit more respect from me than this modern writing. At least those movies were brave enough to present their scenes and dialogue with SOME sincerity.
WARNING: This video reveals an important truth about the dialogue styles in the MCU. They have progressively embraced a more formulaic comedy approach, which is particularly evident in their portrayals of Tony Stark, the post-Waititi Thor, Scott Lang, Peter Quill, Tom Holland, and Rocket Raccoon, as well as in the influence of Joss Whedon and/or James Gunn.
When Buffy came out with this meta irony back in 1997, it was fresh and hilarious and we loved it. But, over time, they just forgot how to do anything else.
"Good Anakin, good! Kill him. Kill him now." - Palpatine "....I Shouldn't." - Anakin "Would it help if you pictured him in his underwear!?!" - Palpatine
I made this video shortly after going to see the new Deadpool movie
I hope you enjoyed the dead pool movie
Nothing will make sense but the CGI is great
Thank you, good sir, for demonstrating exactly why and how George Lucas' style of dialogue worked for Star Wars.
How is it?
I think this kind of dialogue works for Deadpool, since he’s aware that he’s in a movie. That doesn’t mean it works for Thor, Ant-Man, Dr Strange, and everyone else in the MCU.
**Alderan blows up**
Imperial officer: "well... That just happened"
Imagine if they had actually said that. Honestly I’d have just left the theater
@@an000nin 1977 that would have been very original and clever.
@@jayb8934 original idk but clever?? 😭
I mean, it could display the apathy of the Empire towards their atrocities. The banality of evil, anyone?
@@sambridgers9543 Fair enough
Star Wars but with Marvel dialogue.
"I am all the Sith."
"And I... am all the Jedi."
"Wait they actually said that???"
I originally heard "I AM the Jedi", which sounds slightly better
Wait I thought he was the Senate?
"They fly now?"
It’s a crime to hear that when Chirrut did it better in-universe with “I’m one with the force and the force is with me”
“Well… happened, that just did!” - Yoda
"Awkward this is"
"See this, you might want to!"
*Yoda after he sees Anakin kill the younglings*
"Live with your own failure, you could not. And leave you, where did that? To me, you returned."
That's funnier than anything from the recent Marvel movies.
Han to Greedo: So who shoots first? You shoot first? I shoot first?
@@ljavwa3459 they shoot now !? They shoot now !
@@WillieHoule They hit now!?
this one hurts because it's star wars dialogue
clever
Anyways, we both started blasting, only I started blasting sooner and when he was about to start blasting back he was full of blaster fire marks and the neural pathways connecting his brain to his fingers had all but disintegrated, and, long story short, I turned out the only one who actually started blasting.
“We did it gang! We won the star wars”
Was definitely the best
Why is Rey wearing a head cover? Ohhhh to hide her stunt double? Offer a new toy figure? Disney! Always thinking!
You fought in the Star Wars?
It's hilarious how y'all need to make up stuff when star wars dialog stuff has always been just prototype marvel dialog lmao
"He lost the Star War" is the funniest part of an alleged leaked script for Colin Trevorrow's Episode 9
@@VidyagameFacts136 nobody agrees
So, who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?
You've got a boyfriend? A cute boyfriend?
That was the moment in that movie when I knew this wasn't real SW anymore.
@@ZenMonkeyGodIs this a real quote?
@@YoshiCookie Yes, Poe meeting Kylo in Force Awakens.
@@YoshiCookie Yes sadly
And they said George Lucas was bad with dialogue
He was. It's just that his dialogue was a different kind of bad where it was awkward and purple prosy rather than tonedeaf.
Oh he definitely is. The "Marvel Dialogues" kind is just even worst
And "they" are liars, because George isn't bad with dialogue; he just has his own distinct style of dialogue. And in Star Wars, that style works really well. It's when you force in a radically different style of dialgoue that things fall apart, as seen here.
He is not. George's dialogues are more than fine - the amount of memes that grew from them be a testament for that.
@@jlev1028he wasn’t, people are just to biased
The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be…cringe worthy
And that's why you should have used contraceptive.
Oh no, not the power to whip, AND nae nae!
@@crystalqueen9711oh man I haven’t thought about that song in so long
It was brilliant storytelling by George Lucas when he had Anakin say 'No more Mr. Nice Guy', to show the audience that he is now a bad guy 😙🤌
That was the exact moment that Anakin became Heisenberg
@@subtledemisefox Vravo bince
This is fake. The theatrical version of this scene had him say "It's Morbin time" as Annie morbed all over the younglings.
@@KasumiRINA and then when Obi-Wan saw the security footage of it he originally said "well, THAT happened"
"Anakin, you're turning into a bad guy!"
"Duh"
They fly now? They fly now...
Peak Disney humour.
That one was actually funny.
"Wait, they actually said that??"...
They fly now.
@lordly123
Except if you knew your friend's father was a master at ji jiutsu and that your friend tries to copy his father.
All the jokes boil down to "we're in a movie, and we know we're in a movie, laugh now"
I think it's more like "we're in a comic book movie, but we're ashamed of it, because comic books are nerdy. Therefore we must absolutely not take anything seriously. People will think we're cool if we're constantly mocking the source material. Comic books are dumb, right guys?"
@@Angel_Investor_MusicI don't think it's a fair assessment of marvel films? Yeah, they often inject levity in scenes that could be serious, but there's enough drama played completely straight.
And it's not like one-liners, puns and slapstick weren't an integral part of action films for the entirety of the genre's existence.
@@AliceLoverdrive I think early Marvel movies like the first Iron Man were better about it. The humor felt appropriate and not too forced. But the later movies got really obnoxious with the humor to the point where they were referencing TikTok memes, Fortnite and screaming goat videos.
@@AliceLoverdriveI think like someone else said early on Marvel movies were more tongue in cheek about it. They made an effort to have really cool scenes like with the Iron Man series or the first Avengers.
I don't think it's just a fear of being seen as nerdy, it's that stuff that's lighthearted, family friendly and fun is what gets the biggest audiences. They chose to be as mainstream as possible and stupid tiktok humour and overtaking every emotional scene is popular rn. Most people don't go to watch Marvel movies because they're big comic book needs. Most of them like the Marvel movies, like Spiderman or something and just wanna see a movie. Very few fans of Marvel movies actually go read all the comics and stuff too.
After all, Marvel is owned by Disney, who wants every dollar squeezed out of everything as much as possible.
EXAMPLE OF MY POINT: I love Thor Ragnarok (🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿) but that sort of silly, comedic humour is far more popular, and I think especially Ragnarok showed that most people are pretty happy seeing the fairly serious and kickass but at times silly Thor become mostly silly and sometimes kickass.
@@JohnDaker35p I haven't seen anything MCU since Endgame and have no desire to, but I think the more likely explanation is that you view later films through a different lens. The franchise been running for 15 years, fatigue is inevitable, it's hard to care for something for a decade and a half, especially given how everyone who was in high school when Iron Man released is now in their 30s and thus is a fundamentally different person.
And like... Action films are inherently pretty goofy, always have been, unless you are going to argue that "a badass guy badassly kills people while dispensing one-liner puns left and right" is some kind of serious high brow cinema. Hell, the most iconic Indiana Jones scene is a 1-to-1 Marvel-style bathos-powered joke: first, they establish a serious confrontation and then anticlimactically resolve it for laughs.
Alderaan is destroyed.
“Ohh, so THAT’S what that does!”
"uuuuuh, I thought that was the Baby Shark button. MY BAAD"
Star Wars if the writers feared the audience would be embarrassed watching a space opera.
Technically, everyone making A New Hope was afraid the audience would be embarrassed watching a space opera.
@@trevorpacelli8056, well, except for George. George didn't give a damn what people thought of his movie.
@@occam7382and thats why it rocked
Hipsterish irony is a cancer.
This kind of dialogue would actually be what makes a movie more embarassing ironically
Preview hit me, but actual "he's right behind me" just killed
Killed the clone too 🥁
"It's called the death star"
"The deathiwhatti?
LASER MOOOOOON
Oh, this was painfully accurate
"Y-yeah... it sounded better in my head."
Bruh you guys are killing me 🤣
💀💀💀💀
Pretty much all the "jokes" in the sequels fit right in.
They fly now?
@@daniegamin They fly now!
@@subtledemisefox... THEY FLY NOW.
I love TFA and TLJ, but honestly, you're right.
Right in the dumpster, you mean.
Darth Vader: "That is the system. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them. Set your course for the Hoth system. General Veers, prepare your men, and also, hit my tunes... it's time for the Empire... to Strike Back!"
*Back in Black by AC/DC starts playing*
Ok, but Vader with AC/DC in the back would go hard
Oh I love Led Zeppelin
@@IARESMART8 You are free to use this comment for your next video. I would love to see it.
Would be funny, but it would get a copyright claim
@@IARESMART8kazoo cover
"It's over Ani I have the high ground."
"I Can Do This All Day."
"And Now you tire me Captain, I've heard far too much empty boasting already"
One of the few actually good marvel lines
Can we get a Skywalker the musical now lol
Darth Vader: this new black suit cost me a arm & a leg! 🎤
@@stilescd7213: From "Star Wars Episode III: High Ground"
1:42 the MCU gaslit me into thinking "Uhh guys? You might wanna see this" was a perfectly normal line till this video
Ngl I can’t think of any instance in the MCU where this line was said lol
It is a normal line, but only in the right context. The way it's used in the video is not the right context, because anyone with working eyesight probably already saw the walkers out in the open, and everyone knew to expect the imperials in the first place. To the audience the walkers would have been a big deal, because it hasn't seen them in the previous film, but in-universe the rebels know them well enough. So, context. The maker(s) of this edit are just poking fun.
"Come take a look at this cliche." Ding!
When is this ever said in the mcu? I can only think of a somewhat similar line when tony notices fr strange seeing the 14 million outcomes in infinity war but its reworded. Maybe in wakamda forever when the americans find vibranium at the bottom of the icean vut again its reworded for drama not comedic like that lime is supposed to be. Coulson tells fury in the first Thor, we found it sir and camera pans to Thor's hammer. But its again played for dramatic effect not comedic
@@georgeoldsterd8994 you kinda missed the point. "Uhh guys?" And All of these lines in the vid are the kind that completely suck out the tension in a serious scene. That's the issue with Marvel, they can never drop the comedy.
Early MCU: Used comedy to provide some levity in otherwise mostly serious films.
Current MCU: Jokes every 30 seconds because the writers are afraid that audiences will lose interest. Also because the plot probably isn't strong enough to stand on its own.
Which “mostly serious” films are you referring to?
@@bikramarora1819guardian of galaxy maybe.
@@bikramarora1819 I don't watch a lot of Marvels, that superhero shit is cringe, but the first IronMan was pretty serious. A few lighthearted moments but overall quite dramatic.
2:05 "Oh boy, I sure hope the Empire doesn’t strike back!"
"If they do that, we're going to need a return of the Jedi."
It's ok we have a new hope to rely on
@@BombasticLion I dont think hope will quite get us through the Revenge of the Sith
@@nuancedgaming Begun, the Clone Wars have.
This is where we enter, The Phantom Menace.
Mace Windu: “I’m putting together a team. It’s called the Jedi Initiative
Mace to Dooku "Sir, please put down the glowing stick".
Dude that Hoth scene with “Uhh guys? You might wanna see this” is so accurate it hurts. Thank GOD that movie was made before this kind of dialogue became popular
*Pretend popular. Disney wants to believe it's popular, but the consumer consensus tells us opposite.
@@gunslingergirl2579 popular among scriptwriters, I mean
I thought he was going to say "I'm going to need a bigger gun."
Thats the one that got me too 💀
Wdym consumer consensus? Have you seen how much money these movies make? Are you insane?
“As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted, now young Skywalker, you will die.”
Aluminium falcon was just sighted, my lord. What are your orders for proper procedures during the disintegration of this battle station?
@@u.v.s.5583 aluminum*
When Marvel used it as a spice it was fine, but now it’s all the dialogue. It’s like the people who made mcu didn’t realize most people like salt on their food but nobody wants to eat a handful of salt
Apparently a lot of people like a handful of salt since the last movie made a billion dollars
@train123z Customers reward bad behavior. Many such cases. Sad.
@@train123z Movie ? You mean the theme park ride of cameos ?
@@train123zwhat movie was that? Last time I heard they hadn’t had a billion dollar movie since 2019
@@markborishnikoff5485 Deadpool 3 lol. They've had multiple billion dollar or close to billion dollar movies in the past 5 years
Windu: You're under arrest, Chancellor
Palpatine: It's senatin time
And then he threw the senate at them.
THE WHOLE SENATE!
Windu: "you're under arrest, Chancellor"
Palpatine: "Well... This is awkward"
The most famous Marvel line that wasn’t actually in the movie lol
@@ayanithtalreigngo for Papa Palpatine!
And then he started senating all over the place
Poe: Tell General Hux I have a very important message . . . from his mother.
HAHHAHAHHAA
That was a really good line.
Im dying on this hill
@@silas3839agreed lol
That line set the tone perfectly for how awful the movie was going to be
Yeah, that line was set up to... subvert expectations, but hear me out. It's not just subverting the expectation of what tone a Star War movie can possibly have, increasing the spectrum of galactic possibility. Most of the rest of the movie is the neo-rebels being held under an opressive siege by the neo-empire. So setting the not-empire up as a joke subverts that expectation. Until it gets subverted again and the first Empire turns out to actually be the joke all along!1!!!1111!!
(I honestly like the movie and think that line was fine btw)
Star Wars with Marvel dialogue is just the sequels
Or a comedy sitcom
The frustrating that about it is that Disney got the rights to the movies during the time when the MCU was still good, so it was very possible that they could've had good Star Wars sequels too. Instead, they ended up making the prequel trilogy look good by comparison.
@@Logan912 nah the MCU was always like this,
@@Logan912The MCU was never good at any point, and TFA and TLJ were both actually great, despite the rather corny out-of-place jokes.
@@trevorpacelli8056I’m not sure why you think the MCU was never good, but there’s no redeeming TLJ. That movie is awful on every standard
1:42 I hate how accurate this one is.
I feel my soul cringing.
"The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural."
"You mean, like... butt stuff?"
"..."
"It's butt stuff, right?"
I can picture Chris Pratt saying that.
I can picture Anakin thinking that
Vader: * Throws Palpatine down a hole *
Palpatine: YOU HAVEN’T SEEN THE LAST OF ME SKYWALKER!!!
Somehow, he would turn out to be right
"You think you've won, Skywalker, but I'll be back! SOMEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!"
I know! I'll play the longggg con! Hide 10000 smaller model Star Destroyers each with around 38000 crew, officers, troopers. Then they sit stationary in a hidden position for 25-35yr! Brilliant.
That's just a classic cartoon villain line, not to be lumped in with this cringe.
"This ain't over"
"I always come back"
or
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
Obi-Wan cuts of Anakin's arms and legs
Anakin: Allright, we'll call it a draw.
None shall pass the black knights of Ren formerly known as the academy of " I was a jedi apprentice once before I took a bolt to the Nee " .
How dare you shit on Monty Python?!?!
@@Mikewee777
*That one scene from Captain Marvel where the cat reveals its mouth-tentacles to swallow the enemies.*
Fury: “JEEEEESUS CHRIST!!!”
Obi Wan: "It seems like you are half the man yoou were before!"
No...just, no. 😠
Leave Monty Python out of this, will you? MCU cringe is like a repellent for actual (and better) comedians.
The entire Python troupe would be so unimpressed it'd hurt.
Marvel uses this sort of dialogue because they lack confidence in themselves. They think, What if a moment fails to produce the desired effect for the audience? By inserting these jokes, they can claim they were never trying to make the audience feel sadness, anger, awe, etc. They were just messing around.
Makes me respect George Lucas's sincere writing more now.
Yeah, the prequel dialogue was often bad, but it always got the proper tone and point across.
I absolutely hate this "self conscious/meta" humor. It's an excuse for bad writing and it undercuts any moment of tension making marvel movies feel like a protracted stand up with too much special effects.
@@TomFromMarsNowadays, most Disney movies feels like this
I always think of Ant Man and "Is it too late to change the name?"
@@TomFromMarsI think that the one Marvel Movie did this well was the last Deadpool movie because it IS just a Stand Up comedy with Superheroes.
Luke: destroys the Death Star
Luke: “have you guys ever tried Tatooine schwarma?”
😂😂
Remember that scene at the beginning of TFA when Kylo Ren came to raid and massacre a village and then a minute later when Po is being interrogated by Kylo he says "So WhO tAlKS FiRSt? I tAlk FirSt? YoU tALk FiRSt? iT's VeRY HarD To UndErsTanD YoU WiTH alL ThE...." I mean Star Wars is owned by the same company that owns Marvel anyway.
Eh, yeah the dialogue is a bit silly considering the circumstances but I see it as Poe trying to look tough when he's really scared and doesn't want to show it. I still get why that line rubs people the wrong way though
@@IARESMART8 I can see that. I wouldn't want to show my vulnerability if I was getting interrogated by a tyrannical murderous warlord
@@IARESMART8, regardless of that, the line is very clearly not of the style Star Wars typically uses, and that's why it's so noticeable and irritating. People in Star Wars just do not talk like this.
I half expected Kylo Ren to cast Sith lightning on Poe to shut him up, it would have made for a far more intimidating presence and establish that he is a no-nonsense entity and was well-trained in the dark-side of the Force.
@@IARESMART8 I mean, I get that, but it just doesn't make sense to pretend to not be even a little scared in a situation where you might be about to get tortured or killed. It maybe makes sense if you're being interrogated by a minor imperial official who can't do anything much worse than give you a speeding ticket, but if you're talking to a Sith your message should be more about conveying that you're prepared to withstand pain and to die with dignity if need be, rather than acting like you think the whole thing is a joke. He could say something more like "if you expect me to talk, then I expect you to work much harder than this." Still kinda flippant and sassy, but at least it acknowledges the possibility of torture and I think it sounds a little more like something Obi-Wan or at least Han Solo might have said in a similar situation. The problem is that Poe sounds like an actor at the start of a scene in a movie where he knows he's a main character who's not dying anytime soon, instead of sounding like a man who knows his next words might be his last.
Sheev Palpatine: "I am the senate!"
Mace Windu: "And I am... Mace Windu!"
I am ALL the Senate!
And I am ALL of the Mace Windu!
Nah that's too creative for Marvel.
And I... am Steve.
Ok that Iron man line actually fits tho! It fits the unhinged ego of Stark so well!
0:49 I really thought Anakin was gonna hit him with a "Well, I prefer to create life the old-fashioned way."
Now THAT is a Marvel line.
Speaking from experience, Anakin?
The fact that “marvel dialogue” is a phrase that’s used as an insult is depressing
not as depressing as learning how much the movies cost/what even the worst ones make at the box office
@@BronzeAgePepper That's actually a huge margin of difference now.
Some of the actual Marvel films do it fine like Thor Ragnarok because the actors are so good at delivering it. The problem is that every dumb suit and their mom has decided to copy the writing style and blindly apply it to their IP.
@@CrizzyEyes 💯 comedy has become a trendy filter that many other studios have applied to their franchises making them feel hollow and not special
It was ok when that was one or two or three movies, its ok to have "marvel dialogue" nobody complained during the early infinity saga,but when its EVERY MOVIE including movies that absolutely shouldnt have it really is what made it an insult.
2:04 He said the thing
Dora: We did it! 🧑🦱
Hora Mi Dora
Do you see any sith lords?
Meetoo!
That's the name of the thing!
He said it! He said the thing!
Oh, that's why it's called that.
Producer guy: That’s the name of the moovie!
This is basically the state that Star Wars is in lol
That's about right.. 🙁
Better title: "Original Trylogie with Marvel dialog"
tbh, it's disney as a whole lol. Star Wars started to actually sound like this with the sequel trilogy
Yeah
Pixar is probably the only one in Disney that still tries to be sincere in their dialogues
@@ryannathaniel9296 even Pixar is a shadow of their former selves.
And even larger is pandering to millennial snark, a watered down idea of "keeping it real"
Adding quips raises even the most mundane dialogue to Shakespeare levels!
Right???
"Why did you menacingly turn your head to look at me when you said 'life?'"
I'm convinced this is what Hell's theater movies are like, at first it wouldn't be too bad but then hours later you wish you could blow your brains out.
1:38 No more Mr Skyguy
Zam Wessel: It was a bounty hunter named... *Gets shot*
*Jango flies away*
Obi wan: Well, that just happened
I think it would be more accurate if Obi Wan said something like “I was talking to her!”
She was going to say Glup Shitto but got cut off by the dart
"guys you might want to see this" is funny because every star wars movie has a "youre gonna want to take a look at this" line
with the droid I feel like "does anyone ACTUALLY know what he's saying?" would have been good Marvel tier writing.
"Somehow, Marvel dialogue returned."
"I'm Han Solo, Captain of the Millienium Falcon"
Luke: "Oh, so we're using our made up names now?"
Such a satisfying video. You captured the dumbness. My years of frustration are somehow mellowed. I needed this. Thank you.
100%
HAHAHA, nice Mario Paint music at 0:14.
If I wanted to watch Star Wars with Marvel dialogue I would just watch the Last Jedi.
But to be clear, I don't want to do that.
A few of the dialouge is, but it's not a constant. Not a fan of the movie still.
@@Lr.Laecro.Lirus3445Rise of Skywalker, on the other hand...
-something important happens
-unnecesary comic relief character: "wow that was crazy, right guys? Good thing we're the good guys"
to create... sand
Is it possible to learn this power?
@@vladimirfloppa9677Only from a litterbox
@@vladimirfloppa9677 да
Henceforth, he shall be known as DARTH ..sand.
What did you say?
“He’s right behind me isn’t he?”
~some random 212th Pilot
1:58: "Luke, we're gonna have company!"
1:09 is so accurate given that this is all what lightsabers do at this point.
@@BthIX I believe there's a difference here. Qui Gon was a light side user. He was stabbed and so he died.
Maul is a dark side user, so he clings to the world. Besides, Maul is an alien with enhanced physiological abilities.
I think Maul, Vader and Palpatine (accomplished Siths) surviving makes sense. But Reva was a youngling when Anakin stabbed her. And Sabine was not even that strong in the force. That's why I disagree.
As for Palps? I only hate the fact that Anakin (the chosen one) didn't kill Palps and restore balance to the force. It should have been him. Maybe his force ghost should have killed him or something. That was his entire point.
@@BthIXstill sucks that’s why it wasn’t in the original six movies
@@BthIXthey at least added lore and reasons why he did survive disney are just like "yeah don't care they survived just because... Yeah because we want no further explenation needed"
@@BthIXthe fact that saber cooks your organs is enough reason to be dead. And where she was stabbed normally are the lungsand other organs so normally there is no way anyone could survive this but yeah one day is now Enough in star wars to completeley recover from that
@@BthIXlightsabers can melt blast doors, they can cook an organ or 2
Bro did the impossible. He made Prequels' dialogues even worse.
"No more Mr. Nice Guy" Is just so awful it ends up being the funniest one. 🤣🤣🤣
Now in true disney fashion you gotta pump that shit on a weekly basis
That's a really good Harrison Ford impression. I think that should be said
Damn, the voice impressions for each character are spot-on. Love how you made the effort with them despite the satire
_After Palpatine "dies"_
Luke: Have any of you ever tried shawarma?
"What are we? Some kind of Phantom Menace?" 😛
At least the “we got company” line doesn’t sound terrible in the movie
It's not a bad line on its own. It helps that it was delivered by a brilliant actor
@@Alduinhead nah seeing that we’ve gotten to the point where we refer to it as “the” “we got company” line makes it far worse
@@Alduinhead only Oscar Issac could ever deliver without laughing the line "somehow palpatine returned"
It wasn't even meant to be a joke in the movie, nor did it come off as one. 🙄
"Okay, but what's your actual name?" That joke got so old after being used in several movies.
"He's right behind me, isn't he?"
"He's behind everything, INCLUDING the war!"
I just hope he isn’t behind the STAR Wars
"There are too many of them, what are we going to do?"
"Maybe you should split."
In all seriousness, it was funny when Ironman talked like that. Less so when everyone in a 50-movie series talks like that.
Remember in the first Avengers movie, when all the leads had distinct personalities and they at least paid a little lip service to people existing outside the main cast? Those were the days ...
This strengthens my belief that Marvel movies are comedies first and superhero/action movies second.
Don't they have to be funny to be considered comedy tho
@@jarmoliebrand2005 those two pretty much sound the same
Marvel lost me when the snap, which should be the darkest event in history, was treated as something to joke about by the characters. Every person would be utterly traumatized by losing so many loved ones, but sure lets open a Thanos themed ice cream shop
@@thesenate1844I don’t remember that from “Endgame”
@@ninjaked1265 It was referenced in one of the post Endgame MCU films
All that's missing is a big argument about whether they have a plan or not, only for them to improvise anyway
This is basically how the terrible Sequels were written
"They fly now?!"
🙄
Oh, but when Dune Part 2 does it it's fine?
@@ShadowSonic2 nah I didn't really like dune part 2 either. (bracing myself for the stampede of dune enthusiasts rn)
That’s gonna leave a mark
“Uh, we had a slight weapons malfunction, but uh, everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you… how are you?”
To be fair “we’ve got company” really is more of a Star Wars thing originally.
Yeah, people in these comments are really acting like “I’ve got a bad feeling about this” wasn’t a cliché for decades prior to the MCU….
I don't feel so good about this, @@RisingSunfish
Exactly, Han actually says it to Luke in the first film.
@@RisingSunfishit's funnier watching star wars fans of all things make fun of Marvel as if Star Wars isn't a travesty right now lol. Marvel after Deadpool 3 is starting to get back on track now
@@train123zStar Wars is a movie regarded as the first example of the "New Adventure Cinema", probably called New Wave in american filmography. George Lucas and Steven Spielberg CREATED that genre.
Common thing in it is using multiple cultural inspirations to achieve something FUN.
So educate yourself. Might also want to look up the definition of "travesty".
"Somehow, Palpatine returned"
He just... came back???
"E-everything's perfectly alright now. We're fi- We're all fine here now here now, t-thank you. How are you?"
"We're sending a squad up!"
"Boring conversation anyway. LUKE WE'RE GONNA HAVE COMPANY!"
I still liked those lines, though.
@@batmanbud2 Yeah, they are great lines and I like A New Hope a lot. The point is that star wars is already chock full "marvel dialogue" without any edits. It's really not a marvel exclusive thing. It's in Die Hard (1988), it's in The Rock(1996), it's in Nobody (2021), it's everywhere.
@@keldencowan yeah, pretty sure POTC is full of it in every movie, albeit with a pirate accent, but I still enjoy those movies a LOT.
Ok, now do Star Wars but with Sony Marvel movies, eg:
"Your father was a Jedi. I was with him on Mustafar as he was doing a backflip just before he died"
and
"Somehow, Palpatine returned"
We already got star wars with marvel dialog. It was called the sequal trilogy.
Exactly, my bro
That laugh track caught me off guard 😂
Luke : You want me to fight my own father?
Obi wan and Yoda: Alright i know that SOUNDS bad
I so hated it in Thor Ragnarok. Epic and tragic scene that's meant to be impactful - no, take this joke that completely ruins the mood and makes you question why you even tried to care about the characters
Are you referring to the end when they’re watching Asgard be destroyed and Korg tries to make a speech about how it can be rebuilt, but then it just explodes and he’s like “Oh, yeah, well not anymore.” Because yes, I agree that sucked.
@@Hurtle885hu8bu Yes, things like that. From the name Ragnarok it felt like it's gonna be a dark story about the end of Asgard. Every single moment like that was reduced to nothing by a bottom level joke, especially that joke in the end after Asgard explodes
@ilyafilipo Yeah. I really enjoyed Ragnarok at the time, but now that it’s become the standard for every MCU movie (and pretty much any other big franchise) it’s not as fun anymore.
@@Hurtle885hu8buKorg as a whole becomes really annoying as a character eventually. I cant stand him in Dumbass and Thunder.
I remember watching the first Thor movie and thinking all the self aware dialogue was really fun. I don’t know if it was always bad or it just got way too overdone, but that was the only movie I liked in that style, and if I watched it again I’d probably cringe the whole way through.
I want to say that the style is just bad period. But I wonder… is it a trend thing? Was it popular because it was a break from movies that took themselves seriously like a normal story? And now it feels gross and out of touch because marvel and everyone else keeps hitting the same buttons hoping for the same result without creating anything original?
Will movies become unironic again, and will that eventually get old as well, only for the cycle to repeat?
I have no idea, maybe I just liked the first Thor movie because I was a kid lol.
So... basically The Last Jedi
Yes, exactly. And The Force Awakens. And The Rise of Skywalker. And that's part of the problem with these movies.
@@occam7382TFA and TLJ still manage to do enough things right to be good, despite the corny jokes.
@@trevorpacelli8056, it's not the jokes that are the problem. It's the fact that the Sequels rely on Whedon-style dialogue instead of the dialogue style that George Lucas used for the original six films, which makes them sound less like actual Star Wars films, and more like Marvel movies.
@@occam7382 "Whedon-style dialogue?" What do you mean by that?
Also, George Lucas hardly had a consistent dialogue style for the original six films, considering the way the prequels were written was entirely different from how the OT was written. The sequel trilogy actually sounds more like the OT than the prequel trilogy does.
"No, I am your father"
"That's so cliché"
*Luke and Vader dueling*
*Luke cuts off Vaders hand*
"Not again"
"Obi Wan's gonna kill me"
@@IARESMART8bruh
Good dialogue gone, carry on
I'm gonna ask you this one time : where are the midi-chlorians ?
Yeah ? I'll do you one better : who are the midi-chlorians ?!
I'll do *you* one better : *why* are the midi-chlorians ?
2:04: Titular Line Guy
Just what are we? Some kinda Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope?
Even the bad films of yesterday elicit more respect from me than this modern writing. At least those movies were brave enough to present their scenes and dialogue with SOME sincerity.
Star Wars if it had Marvel dialogue: I'll try spinning. That's a good trick
That awkward moment when you realize the Disney animated canon has more collective tension than the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
WARNING: This video reveals an important truth about the dialogue styles in the MCU. They have progressively embraced a more formulaic comedy approach, which is particularly evident in their portrayals of Tony Stark, the post-Waititi Thor, Scott Lang, Peter Quill, Tom Holland, and Rocket Raccoon, as well as in the influence of Joss Whedon and/or James Gunn.
An objective, nonpartisan description. Nice.
I died at the "we won the star wars" 😂
**Sips Prequel juice from chalice**
Just downright uncivilized dial-log is what it is.
When Buffy came out with this meta irony back in 1997, it was fresh and hilarious and we loved it. But, over time, they just forgot how to do anything else.
“He’s right behind me isn’t he?” He says as he is currently being burned by the fire caused by his exploding fighter jet
"Good Anakin, good! Kill him. Kill him now." - Palpatine
"....I Shouldn't." - Anakin
"Would it help if you pictured him in his underwear!?!" - Palpatine
I feel like this wouldnt be nearly so insufferable if there weren't 34 movies with the same exact nonsense.