Wonderful and insightful video guys. Loved the MBN stuff, think you guys hit it on the nose, he's been very underrated in terms of his potential. His shooting ability and effectiveness at interior scoring is going to translate to the NHL much better than some of the perimeter offense guys who put up more eye popping numbers in the CHL. Slightly disagree with Greentree tho. Absolutely a top 10 guy in terms of offensive skill. But I think you'd be hard pressed to name many prospects with the trio of skating. 2-way play, and compete level issues that ended up succeeding in the NHL. Feel like MBN and Chernyshov are just much better bets to become power forwards at the next level. Once again cheers on the video guys. Definitely gotta drop a sub
Incredible videos! Really appreciated the detailed breakdown on certain decision making and physical elements of each prospect's game. Keep up the amazing work gents!
You will be proven very wrong on Catton. Seriously guys. Check his linemates out. Next highest scorer was Roulette at 108 pts. Roulette is an overager who's previous highest reg season pts was 68pts. Nothing changed but him being traded to Spokane and being blessed by lining up as Cattons winger. After that, next highest pt guy is another overager, Berthelot, with 71pts. Then you get a massive drop-off. No play driving D man. Spokane had no business making the playoffs. Berkly Catton often playing 30min/game literally carried that team into the post-season. And considering teams planned their entire defense around trying to stop him (often double-teaming him), he still managed to score 54 goals and get 116 points. Putting him into an elite class over the entire CHL historically. And one of the best WHL prospects in 20 years. And your rank of 6 for hockey sense is the icing on the cake. It's laughable. Really questions how much you actually watched of Catton. And he's barely better than Luchanko? Really? Give your heads a shake. Considering where you guys ranked Geekie over Slafkovsky, Nemec AND Cooley. Or ranking Honzek over Benson...I'm not shocked. High IQ and compete level/character coupled with elite skating and shot (which Catton has all of, despite your laughable 6 rating for hockey sense), go a lot further than "Moar Size". Which it appears you guys lean towards.
Thanks so much for your passionate post, even though you disagree with our assessment. I agree with you that Catton single handedly brought a poor Spokane team to the playoffs and looked fantastic at times doing so. A couple of counterpoints though. You stated we had Geekie over Slafkovsky, Nemec and Cooley. If you check our final rankings, that's not the case at all. We also never ranked Benson over Honzek. We had Benson 12th (due to injury risk only, we loved him), and we had Honzek 15th. So I think you are either mixing up some of our mid-term rankings with our final rankings or mixing us up with someone else. Admittedly, flat ratings are meant to be a very general breakdown of his sense, nothing more. We think his hockey sense is good, and in some areas you could argue exceptional (spatial awareness). Our issue is that when we took his passing rates into consideration it brought down that value a ton, though we do think they can correct over-time as he develops a more structured pro style of play. He's a smart hockey player, but he's not a naturally gifted center and doesn't stay above the puck or anticipate off puck play very well. His off the puck play we would argue, is far below his on puck intelligence when taken as a whole. Don't take it from us though, take it from him. He came out and said that he thinks of himself as a winger. The problem is that his playmaking rates along the walls and below the goal line are actually not very consistent, which again is one of the reasons we think he's over-valued. Obviously, we see this player differently but we do have a ton of viewings of him. We don't think he's an elite skater, we don't think his compete level is very good, especially game to game consistency, even when accounting for minutes played, and although he has a great shot, it's not in the top 3 to us. That said, we do think he will out produce and definitely score a lot more than Luchenko. It comes down to positional need. We think a 2nd-line, two-way center whose one of the smartest players in the draft belongs in the same tier range as a high end goal scoring rush winger. If we actually leaned towards "moar size" as you put it, we wouldn't have a smaller D in Zeev Buium at the top end of this class. Again, thanks for your post, hopefully that clears some of the issues you had with the ranking, even if you disagree with it.
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Great breakdowns. Especially appreciated the breakdowns of the defensemen.
This gets me so excited to see Celebrini in teal! Awesome video fellas.
I got the book on Amazon. Great job guys!
Wonderful and insightful video guys. Loved the MBN stuff, think you guys hit it on the nose, he's been very underrated in terms of his potential. His shooting ability and effectiveness at interior scoring is going to translate to the NHL much better than some of the perimeter offense guys who put up more eye popping numbers in the CHL.
Slightly disagree with Greentree tho. Absolutely a top 10 guy in terms of offensive skill. But I think you'd be hard pressed to name many prospects with the trio of skating. 2-way play, and compete level issues that ended up succeeding in the NHL. Feel like MBN and Chernyshov are just much better bets to become power forwards at the next level.
Once again cheers on the video guys. Definitely gotta drop a sub
WEll Jett went 13 and will be a flyer, good call.
What about Hage?did you foy about him?
We will talk about Hage in our Q&A video, which will be up tomorrow.
Timestamp?
They are up now (see the video description)
Jerome is hard to listen to for an English speaker.
English is his second language and his English blows away my French.
@@ScoutingService Jerome is the best!
@@dmrvegas99 lets not start giving him a big head. 😄
Incredible videos! Really appreciated the detailed breakdown on certain decision making and physical elements of each prospect's game. Keep up the amazing work gents!
Oh so no Connelly at all? Wow!
We will talk about Connelly in our Q&A video, which will be up tomorrow.
@@jerome.berube Thanks, Jerome. I am really enjoying the videos.
You will be proven very wrong on Catton. Seriously guys. Check his linemates out. Next highest scorer was Roulette at 108 pts. Roulette is an overager who's previous highest reg season pts was 68pts. Nothing changed but him being traded to Spokane and being blessed by lining up as Cattons winger. After that, next highest pt guy is another overager, Berthelot, with 71pts. Then you get a massive drop-off. No play driving D man.
Spokane had no business making the playoffs. Berkly Catton often playing 30min/game literally carried that team into the post-season. And considering teams planned their entire defense around trying to stop him (often double-teaming him), he still managed to score 54 goals and get 116 points. Putting him into an elite class over the entire CHL historically. And one of the best WHL prospects in 20 years. And your rank of 6 for hockey sense is the icing on the cake. It's laughable. Really questions how much you actually watched of Catton. And he's barely better than Luchanko? Really?
Give your heads a shake. Considering where you guys ranked Geekie over Slafkovsky, Nemec AND Cooley. Or ranking Honzek over Benson...I'm not shocked. High IQ and compete level/character coupled with elite skating and shot (which Catton has all of, despite your laughable 6 rating for hockey sense), go a lot further than "Moar Size". Which it appears you guys lean towards.
Thanks so much for your passionate post, even though you disagree with our assessment. I agree with you that Catton single handedly brought a poor Spokane team to the playoffs and looked fantastic at times doing so. A couple of counterpoints though.
You stated we had Geekie over Slafkovsky, Nemec and Cooley. If you check our final rankings, that's not the case at all. We also never ranked Benson over Honzek. We had Benson 12th (due to injury risk only, we loved him), and we had Honzek 15th. So I think you are either mixing up some of our mid-term rankings with our final rankings or mixing us up with someone else.
Admittedly, flat ratings are meant to be a very general breakdown of his sense, nothing more. We think his hockey sense is good, and in some areas you could argue exceptional (spatial awareness). Our issue is that when we took his passing rates into consideration it brought down that value a ton, though we do think they can correct over-time as he develops a more structured pro style of play. He's a smart hockey player, but he's not a naturally gifted center and doesn't stay above the puck or anticipate off puck play very well. His off the puck play we would argue, is far below his on puck intelligence when taken as a whole. Don't take it from us though, take it from him. He came out and said that he thinks of himself as a winger. The problem is that his playmaking rates along the walls and below the goal line are actually not very consistent, which again is one of the reasons we think he's over-valued.
Obviously, we see this player differently but we do have a ton of viewings of him. We don't think he's an elite skater, we don't think his compete level is very good, especially game to game consistency, even when accounting for minutes played, and although he has a great shot, it's not in the top 3 to us. That said, we do think he will out produce and definitely score a lot more than Luchenko. It comes down to positional need. We think a 2nd-line, two-way center whose one of the smartest players in the draft belongs in the same tier range as a high end goal scoring rush winger.
If we actually leaned towards "moar size" as you put it, we wouldn't have a smaller D in Zeev Buium at the top end of this class. Again, thanks for your post, hopefully that clears some of the issues you had with the ranking, even if you disagree with it.