Phonak Virto Marvel & Virto Black Hearing Aid Review
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- Phonak Virto Marvel & Virto Black Hearing Aid Review | Hearing Aids Reviews. Dr. Cliff Olson, Audiologist and founder of Applied Hearing Solutions in Phoenix Arizona, reviews the new Phonak Virto M Black hearing aids.
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The Phonak Virto Black hearing aids were announced at the 2020 Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas Nevada. The Virto Black won the Engadget award for Best Accessibility Tech at CES. 
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Thank you for your videos. As an army veteran your videos helped me go through the process of hearing aids with the VA.
Sounds like Phonak is really paying attention to their existing and potential new clientele.
Great new hearing aids and functionality!
Doc - you are fantastic - thanks for all you do.
Thanks for keeping us informed
I've had the Phonak Virto Marvel aids for about a month now, and I love them! Comfy, discrete, and very effective at amplifying and clarifying sound. My only complaint (and it is very minor) is that moisture builds up in my ear and causes itching, so several times a day I have to pop them out and dry both them and my ear canal with a tissue on my finger. I LOVE the phone app. I love streaming music, radio & podcasts. Also love that the app allows you to have remote appointments with your audiologist, who can adjust the aids on the spot. She says if I take care of them, they should last maybe 5 years. Pricey ($4,500) but worth it. Highly recommend them.
Are they iic's?
Are the features and adjustments you can make with these the same any different from Audeo Marvel?
Great video. I feel we're on the edge of a great amount of change in the options for patients. I've been to 1 audiologist, but they didn't spend a lot of time suggesting what product will fit my lifestyle better. They basically offered 2 options and then said "but we can get anything." I didn't feel I was presented with the information I needed to make an informed decision. I have an appointment with a different audiologist next week.
Smart move😁 best to go with an audiologist who knows what they're talking about
I trialed my first ever pair of Phonak with the Virto M Black M50. I loved the connectivity to my Android phone for music, videos and phone calls without needing a connector box. I was having a major issue with wind noise though and a minor issue with the sound that S's make. Everyone suddenly sounded like Sean Connery, "I shhhall play shhome crapshh at the cashhino.", but was glad to hear that the S sound issue was something that could be turned off by sliders at the Audiologist. The wind was still very bad though, so much so that I couldn't hear people talking if there was even a moderate breeze outside.
Upgraded to the M70, which has a program called 'Wind Block' that the M50 does not, and I've noticed a much better hearing experience when outside in moderate wind. I'll probably need to have the wind block maxed out as opposed to the halfway point, but it has made a massive difference. I noticed that the Bluetooth strength seems to be slightly weaker in the M70's, but I'm chalking that up to M50's just use less space internally so they could improve on antenna spacing/strength. I also hear people quite a bit better when they're across the way, mostly in eavesdropping scenarios, which is kind of neat. Not to eavesdrop, but to be able to hear distant chatter much more clearly than ever before.
TL/DR, the Phonak Virto M Black half shell in the M70 seems to be the best bang for your buck. If you aren't outside much or in any sort of windy environment, then go with the M50's that lack the Wind Block program, but will save you $800'ish dollars, depending on your provider's fees. Five stars, the best pair I've ever owned. They even threw in a free TV streamer for me (Phonak new line special, I believe). Take care!
Hi i'll have a question. How do you hear your own voice with those devices? Is it normal? I'm planning to buy a pair. Thanks in advance
Thank you. Now I know what I'm going to get after I return the Resound Quattro aids I have.
Great review Dr Cliff, you are a natural at this. Question: Is Phonak Virto worth >$4500 more than a hearable like IQbuds2 MAX at $399 for people with mild to moderate hearing loss? Looking forward to you trying out the MAX at AAA.
Dr. Cliff,
I've had asymmetrical hearing loss for at least 7 years now and I have tried three different types of hearing aid setups with Siemens/Signia hearing aids. My insurance only covers hearing aids offered through HearUSA. Each time I tried these hearing aids I returned them because I felt the price even with my $2,000 per ear benefit was not worth the minimal to almost unnoticeable hearing improvement. Also HearUSA jacks the price sky high rendering the benefit useless. My last attempt at this was about 8 months ago with a CROS solution however I feel like my bad ear still has some functional hearing left in it. The CROS I felt plugged it up completely rendering that ear useless.
I have heard nothing but great things about Phonak from your reviews as well as others. I also love this new look of the Phonak Virto Marvel Black. Can these Phonak hearing aids be tuned for asymmetrical hearing loss? Again I did not like the way the CROS solution felt on the Signia aids that I was using. I had better success when my bad ear had a hearing aid in it vs. a CROS solution. Thank you for all your amazing videos and information.
Are virto marvel and virto black the same product line or separate ones? For eg, is the Virto M70 ITC the same as Virto black?
Dr. Cliff, any chance you might be interested in a comparison of the pros and cons of both the Audeo Marvel 90 and the Virto Marvel, compared against each other? Who would benefit from one over the other? I'm guessing that this Virto might have every feature the Audeo M90 has, and more, but possibly lack the wireless connectivity over greater distance and the amount of gain (ITC vs BTE). However it's difficult to find and literature that does a thorough comparison, so my assumption feels really ignorant. My wife has a 5-year-old set of Phonak ITEs and is ready for an upgrade, and is about to try the Audeo M90s, but switching to BTE is a small negative for her. Positives would be BT, phone app, and a much better auto-sense experience; ex: that doesn't fast-ocillate between programs, like during applause. She complains that the weird switching her 5-yr-old Phonaks did caused her to to ask her audi to just lock it into a more straight analog-style gain-only experience. Her audiograms are more flat and profound. I want her to have a great experience with the new autosense, and suspect it might take some tweaking. I have the KS9s and do programming at home, so I'm sold on this tech, big time. However we are both about to find the best audi we can, get really good REM, and both get into proper Phonaks; me first--I'm all about doing my research.
Wish I was in Phoenix! Great video!!
Would these be compatible with CROS? I just got phonak CROS with Audeo B 70 last fall. I am already looking forward to my next set (several years from now) which l hope will have bluetooth capability for phone and music. You are my source of information from Bulgaria.
Severe to profound hearing loss - Light weapons infantry and noisy factory early background - Have a trial pair of Oticon Opn S hearing aids - Interested in the Phonak Roger Pen device as it seems to address an area that the Oticons do not - The Aud. seems fine - She does not handle Phonak. Wondering if the Roger Pen might work with my Oticon hearing aids. Otherwise, I am considering a switch to the Phonak hearing aids with a Roger device. Can you advise, please?
How would these compare in size and quality to the Resound Quattro CIC wireless? I currently wear a Phonak Virto Q Nano CIC which is 7 years old so I’m due for an upgrade. I work in the schools and with wearing masks it’s been an adjustment when I’m so used to reading lips.
Great video! I have a question though, do the hearing aids works even if they are not connected to a bluethooth device? lets say that my iphone battery is dead and it's not longer connected to the hearing aids, will they still work just as normal hearing aids?
whats is the hearing aid that gives the best frequency band?
I was telling my husband just the other day that I wished the Marvels came in an ITE option, but I would do a BTE style if I had to.
My last hearing aids were the Starkey Destiny 1200s in 2005, so anything will be an upgrade.
2005! DANG, you're right. Anything would be an upgrade!
I just got fitted for my first hearing aids... I chose the Phonak Virto M70 and I can hardly wait for them to come in! Hearing loss used to be a dreaded milestone... now it's a reason to get a cool tech gadget. That alone is a noteworthy achievement for Phonak.
How did they work out for you? I just got fitted for the phonak virto m50 hearing aids (a step below your m70's).
@@ralph4898 I really like them! Especially the Bluetooth feature. My only complaints, and they are minor, are that (1) my ears begin to itch after a few hours due to moisture buildup. I just pop them out, wipe them dry and pop them back in. (2) As with any hearing aid, I suppose, is that I am suddenly aware and self conscious of my own speech. If not careful, this can make me look track of where I am in a conversation.
How to cancel the noise ? It’s annoying while I am walking and sounds of vehicles hurts me
I’ve got Phonak Marvel 90 rechargeable with T coil. I really like the look of the black titanium Virto. I’ve got large loss of hearing on high end. Would the Virto be comparable to my Marvels? Do all the audiologists that are part of your referral program really going to do everything on your list? I had REM programed but I’ve never seen the graph after that adjustment and think they could be better. West Valley Hearing Center is the closest to me in LA. Hope your new office is going well.
Does this HA work for all types of hearing loss?
Hello Doctor Cliff, is it possible that your videos have Spanish subtitles? Because there is no Spanish-language channel for those of us who have hearing problems. It would be very helpful, thanks
When can I expect to get these from my audiologist?
Also: If I want ITC style, will the m90 top of the line version deliver performance like the Phonak Audeo's?
We're expecting availability in February 2020. Audeo M's will probably still outperform the IIC/ITC styles of the Virtos due to lack of wireless capability.
The virto m 312 in-the-canal has bluetooth technology doesn't it?
Thank you!
How does Virto Black Marvel perform in terms of feedback? My current hearing aids have been giving me a lot of whistling sound and it is annoying. Hence I am looking for a pair of hearing aids that can perform well in terms of feedback.
Thank you for this review. I currently have Oticon opn miniRITE aids and have severe to profound RSHL. I do pretty well in calm, low noise environments but struggle terribly in noisy ( restaurants, groups). I have a very knowledgeable provider but am wondering if you could recommend which newer aids might be an improvement. You are on the cutting edge with technology! Thanks again!
I also have an Oticon connect clip which works well for tv but not at all in a group setting. Frustrating!
Hi Lynn No they will not give you any additional benefit. We often forget that hearing loss is a neurological deficit. Hearing aids are only an aid. It would be like expecting a wheelchair to help a paraplegic walk. Although technology has gotten wonderful, underlying you have nerve damage. I like to compare hearing aids with the new exoskeletons. They are now able to strap people into robots that allow them to walk up stairs and stand but it is still not like walking normally. Your hearing aids would be the same.
Both ear loss 70db which is invisible machine use plz replied
Shut up and take my money! As someone who's suffering from hearing loss and tinnitus, and my current (non-hearing aid) earbuds are dying. I know they'll be expensive, but this is just the ticket. Thanks for the review Dr Cliff!
If you are currently just using earbuds. These will BLOW YOUR MIND! 💣
1 month in and generally happy! The phonecalls is excellent.
I still haven't got to a solution to Bluetooth to my Macbook though, any recommendations / solutions welcome!
Sounds awesome! Actually looks awesome! I like the all black. Thanks Doc
Glad to help!
@@DrCliffAuD I just picked up a pair of the M30 model base on my budget. I'm currently on a 75-day trial.
@@JRock-vf4fw What's your view on M30 model? I am currently upgrading to new hearing aids. It'd be great if you share how well M30 performed.
@@MohitYadav-os1ji Hi:
Happy to share. I have the M30 in black. I am not a person who likes to wear aids and never was. However, after being introduced to this hearing and seeing Dr. Cliff's video, I have decided to give it a try. I must say I was impressed by it. Not only is it a good hearing aid it has excellent features. I like the comfort and love the fact that it looks like a standard Bluetooth! I didn't go with the upgrade because the M30 is fine by me. The only downside is I wish they were rechargeable. Good luck!
what about streaming to android with this device ( and voice calls to android with this device ) ?
Do these work as a CROS as well?
What's your moisture tolerance rating on these?
Hi Doctor Cliff, these look very nice!
I'm currently testdriving the Phonak marvel 90. Since I also wear glasses, I could do without the wire-over-my-ear.
How do these compare, are they the same inside? Should I wait for these Virto's to arrive?
Thanks, and keep up your great work!
The Virto Marvels will have the same capabilities as the Audeo Marvels. It just depends on the configuration of your hearing loss.
You are the go-to source of information even over here in Germany! Incredible helpful. I would opt for Oticons smallest IIC (cause they are so small, whats your opinion on these btw?) and then go for the all new Marvel Black as „gadgets“ for the gym, or the like. Or are the new Phonak Virto IICs even smaller/better then the Oticon? Thanks a ton!
There is the potential that the IICs could be smaller due to the use of Titanium instead of Acrylic. Better, depends on what features you are looking for and how well your hearing care provider programs them.
I realize these are very new, but what is your expectation as to their effectiveness for those of us with reverse slope hearing loss? RICs are usually recommended, but I wear glasses too, and I hate dealing with 2 different devices over my ears.
There is a possibility that they could work for your RSHL, but you are right in that RICs are typically preferred.
I have near normal low-frequency hearing and moderate to severe high-frequency hearing loss. I've worn receiver in the ear aids for seven years (both Phonak and Oticon). Looking to get new aids and am wondering if these Phonak Virto Ms would be suitable for someone with my type of hearing loss. My current Oticon OPN2s keep getting caught in my glasses and mask (thanks COVID). I like the idea of a half-shell ITE device and the black looks really cool. I don't care if people know I have hearing aids in.
However, I've heard you and others speak about the occlusion effect and am wondering if this would be a problem. I have another audiologist appointment later this week. Thanks for any help you can provide.
Depends on your level of low frequency hearing and the size of vent required to prevent occlusion.
If you can get a large enough vent, and still amplify the high frequencies without limiting HF gain or feedback issues, you should be good.
@@DrCliffAuD Thank you. I had my appointment with my local audiologist. We're going to try the Virto M50 312. If I get feedback or occlusion, I'll probably go with the Oticon OPN S 3. Hoping for the best.
@@DrCliffAuD Dr. cliff what is your experience with how well Phonak gets there vent holes with there AVO system? is it possible for a person with normal hearing up to 2k and a loss from there being happy with these hearing aids?
What are these like for gamers? I like to use gaming headphones with surround sound. 1. Can you feel the benefits with headphones when wearing ? 2. Does the Bluetooth connection give you decent audio / surround sound?
good info
Sounds really awesome! Is there an occlusion effect with this type of HA?
Got. You mention it near the very end of your interesting presentation
Dr Cliff, what is the difference between virto b titanium and marvel titanium? Just purchased the virto b because did not know there were virto marvel titanium.
Relatively small changes. However, when it. Comes to the maintenance of the devices you want as new of products as possible to ensure parts are available for as long as possible
What's the price for both? Just curious
Are these available for individuals with severe to profound hearing impairment?
Yes, they come in UP receivers too.
Thanks!
I am from china, i am looking forward to try this new virto black, i want to know more about it, right now i am using titanum phonak hearing aid.
I'd like you to make a video about the TV connector. How do you install it on the TV, can you turn it off and on with your phone. Can it be put behind the TV or does it have to be outside the TV somewhere. ( I really don't want to see wires coming out of my TV because it is mounted on the wall. I have aPhonak Marvel 50 hearing aid. Will it work well with it? Love your videos, they are always informative.
The best way to connect the TV connector is through the Optical Audio port on the back of your TV. Your Marvel devices need to be paired with the Connector by clicking the P button on the back of the TV Connector and rebooting your hearing aids by turning them off and on again. You can leave the TV connector on and just turn on the TV to start the stream. If you want to stop the stream, just go into your MyPhonak App and switch away from TV Connector +Mic and go back to AutoSense OS 3.0 or any other program.
Good evening, Dr. Olson! I'm interested with the phonak vitro black. I wonder how much will it cost me. I have $5,000 on my insurance. I've seen one Doctor here in Los Angeles and she's charging $8000 for this. Hope you can help me navigate on this matter. Thank you!
Hello Doc,
Hope you're doing well.
I'm from India and planning to buy this hearing aids. Currently using Siemens since 10 years. Planning to switch to Phonak. I have a question - How many days will the 312 battery with all wireless functions like listening to music, calls, etc last on this device?
Looking forward to your early response soon.
Thanks
Aniruddha Pathak.
The answer to your question is relatively complex, but most heavy streaming individuals get 4-6 days out of a size 312. You may want to consider a size 13 battery or rechargeable instead. It also depends on the quality of the battery you use.
@@DrCliffAuD Thanks for the response, doc. I believe size 13 is not available for this particular marvel model. Does size 13 extend the days on heavy usage as compared to 312?
Awesome. Sounds like just what I've been waiting for. But you didn't mention price. I assume they're very expensive. Do you foresee other companies coming out with competitive hearing aids in the near future? Any thoughts on waiting on a purchase to see what the competition has been working on?
I heard they cost $6000 for a pair.
This depends on where you go and what tech level you get. I would imagine that some clinics will have a lower tech level for significantly less than $6k.
Cost really depends on where you go and which tech level you pursue. All companies are currently developing tech to one-up the competition, but you can play the waiting game forever. I recommend you find a device that meets most of your needs and treat your hearing loss sooner rather than later.
Doctor Cliff, AuD I am interested in this hearing aid too. Will the UP model work for my hearing range: jmp.sh/DffFoaO ?
@@DrCliffAuD You're amazing.
So I bought that hearing aid and after the trial. I returned it. I found it extremely annoying that every time I got a notification on my telephone it would interfere with the settings I was currently using. Meaning if I was in a certain situation and had selected certain settings as soon as I got a voicemail or a text or any kind of notification on my phone it would revert back to the default setting. Phonak knows about this defect in their phone app and doesn't seem to care much about fixing it. So that set of hearing aids went back. I feel like a lot of these manufacturers rush to get things to Market hoping that the customers will live with the problems and the bugs while they take their time working them out. I had the same kind of experience with the highest and Starkey Edge AI. In that case phone connectivity was just horrible. Absolutely horrible. That set got returned it also. Currently trying out the ReSound Quatro linx true Costco. They call it the Preza. I'm working through some adjustment issues now but it looks like this one will be a keeper. And of course Costco gives you 6 months to decide whether you like it or not and they're willing to remake things in the same style or a different style or a different line. All at no extra charge. I feel like I could be the commercial for them. Full disclosure this is a non compensated review.
Anyone know if this has been fixed?
Thank you for the review. I'm getting these as soon as they release. Question for you, I noticed you said that I need a TV adapter to stream the TV to my hearing aids, but is that also the case if you have a Smart TV with built in Bluetooth? My TV already picks up nearby Bluetooth, so I'm curious if I need this adapter or not. Thank you for your time and thanks again for the review.
I have not yet encountered a Smart TV that the Marvel line of devices have been able to connect directly to. I believe that even if you could, the latency would be too much and you would hear a delay in the stream. I would strongly recommend you get the TV Connector.
@@DrCliffAuD Thank you for the reply, Doctor.
I have used an Apple TV with my marvel hearing aids and it works fine I have an lg tv with Bluetooth on it I’ll test it out and give some feedback
How to order?
So cool!!! Is there really any difference between the Phonak Virto B Titanium vs the Phonak Virto M Titanium ?
Not much from what I can tell.
When can you expect to have the rechargeable?
Rechargeable Virto Marvel?
Yes
@@thomaskersh6371 No idea. Starkey Livio Edge custom comes in rechargeable.
Doctor Cliff, AuD. thanks for the info Doc I wear phonic audio M rechargeable 70 for about a year and I found I don’t like the behind the ear because I wear glasses so I might check out the ones you suggest. Thank you love your videos
I have some Hearing aids I need to program, where I can go?
You may need to find an audiologist who carries them, perhaps they can adjust them.
I bought the Virto black 90 and was extremely disappointed. Main problem with phone connectivity. I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 10 plus which is supposed to be compatible. Every time my phone got any kind of notification it would throw my hearing aid out of the current setting and always revert to autosense 3.0. The only way to be able to use any of the advanced settings and to take advantage of any other program settings was to turn off all notifications on my phone. The whole idea of connectivity is to be able to have notifications. That's why they chimed in your hearing aids when they come in. Anyway apparently phonak knows all about this problem and doesn't have any interest in fixing it. Sounds like a beta tester to me. Was quite annoyed and I sent them back for a full refund. Moving on and planning to try Starkey now.
By the way.. This doctor is soo handsome 😳
Off topic:
Cliff, how long should an audiologist do a hearing test on someone? Twenty - thirty minutes? More?
Depends on what type of hearing test is needed.
@@DrCliffAuD I'm deaf in the left ear with severe lost in the right.
I'm gonna guess that a thorough session should be closer to an hour rather than 30 minutes.
What about for teens ??? IN Arizona
Called your office and was sent to Happy ear..
When will these hearing aids be available?
Looking at a delivery date somewhere in February 2020.
Doctor Cliff, AuD thank you I've been looking to get back into hearing aids after 5+ years and I really want to get them!
Would you say insurance will cover these?
@@elliotteagle25 that really depends on your insurance.
Can it do CROS?
Not yet with the Marvel range. Maybe later in the year.
Andreza is correct. Marvel is not CROS compatible and I do not ever expect it to be.
@@DrCliffAuD, every Marvel (RIC and BTE also) or only IIC/ITE?
As a BiCROS user myself, I sometimes feel like we're the stepchildren of the HOH world. :(
@@xstitched I hear ya. I wish there was more progression there too for SSD.
OMG, that was so complicated!
Sorry Rose. Hopefully you can find an excellent hearing care provider to handle the complex stuff for you. That is why my profession exists!
Great news, but there is an issue about this kind hearing aid in the ear, the sensitivity of the filter housing, the placing of the filter, the housing can get too wide over time, this can cause the filter to remain in the ear, last I when I tried to replace the filter the entire housing has sunk into the hearing aid, and believe me i did that very gently.
I'm talking about the Phonak Virto m90. So I hoop that Phonak did some modification about that.
Do you have a graph showing till which dB levels do this hearing aid cover? I have a profound hearing loss and need to check till what level will it's UP (Ultra Power) mode go to. If it covers my range, then it would be great for me. Here's my hearing audiogram: jmp.sh/HX3gVgH
Yes, they will have a UP receiver. Are you a Cochlear Implant candidate yet?
Doctor Cliff, AuD Hi doc, I decided not to get cochlear implant. I am happy with hearing aids. Cochlear implants are expensive, risky, and hectic to manage. The device also hangs on the sides of my back of the head which I dislike. I prefer discreet hearing aids. Currently wearing Siemens BTE hearing aid and looking forward to replacing them with upcoming Naida M BTE hearing aids or this Virto Marvel hearing aids.
I would be interested to know what percentage of HA users want their aid to look like a consumer product? Who walks around all day with ear buds in? When I see someone with ear buds I feel they are NOT approachable. Give me discreet any day!
Yep, to each their own. I have some patients that refuse to wear traditional looking hearing aids and are okay wearing the Virto Blacks. Not sure about the overall percentage though.
$$$$$$...I'm guessing these wont be budget friendly for the middle and bottom economic tiers...
They are expected to come in several tech tiers so they will likely be reasonably suitable for most affordability levels.
@@DrCliffAuD thanks for the response.
Oh joy fancy earbuds that cost thousands of dollars! These proprietary manufactures need to take notice because the consumer earbud market is going to catch up and it’s on Waze has already passed this aging tech!
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Phonax mobile phone App is terrible, for modern users who need connectivity and a desire some control over their programs and environment profiles, hearing aid companies really have to put more effort into their app development or get left behind, and lose customers like myself. I believe 'hearables' will just destroy the hearing aid market within a couple of years, mainly because of their brilliant use of apps and the stability of them. That said out of all the hearing aids ive tried recently Widex Moments app was really good and the sound texture really natural.
And secondly, finding a brilliant audiologist is key!
Phonak has an App update coming out in May! Hopefully a lot of the bugs will be fixed. 🤞
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the best would be phonak b titanium a little bigger for 13 batteries instead of 10 batteries think man