Phonak Roger ON Review | Best Remote Microphone Accessory EVER?
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2021
- Phonak Roger ON Review | Best Remote Microphone Accessory EVER? Dr. Cliff Olson, Audiologist and founder of Applied Hearing Solutions in Phoenix Arizona, reviews the New Phonak Roger ON & Roger ON iN Assistive Listening Device for the Marvel, Paradise, and other Phonak & Non-Phonak hearing aids.
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Hi Cliff, I f I may add, I am sure that I am not the only hard of hearing person listening to your videos, but as a hard of hearing person I find that you talk too fast for me to keep up, this also happens in my daily life and I often have to stop people and ask them to slow down, therefore, if you could please slow down for the hard of hearing then that would be a great help.
I just bought a Roger ON recently and am very pleased with it. For the first time in 20 years or so I was able to go to a busy funeral reception with lots of people present and carry on a conversation with the person standing next to me. This device works better at this than the Roger pen does and mic seems to be more powerful. So for me having a device like this that works in a noisy crowded room situation is a real advance,
Doctor cliff I just received my phonak waterproof hearing aids and my roger on iN wow this is going to change my life thanks for the help with your videos
Appears many of your subscribers have been waiting for this review. Me Too! Does the Roger On and it's little adapter work with EasyTek neck loop. This could be a life changer for me. Thanks for posting this video. Looking forward to learning even more.
I will try Roger device. Love your video👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💕
I have AB cochlear implant and am able to attach my roger on to my land line. I bought a device from Amazon that is made to record phone conversions to a recorder, is goes in the receiver cord and plug the roger on cord into it, this very good for me!
I have been waiting for this review, thank you.
Same
Me too
Finally he is making a video explaining the difference which is critical since in his older videos He never stress the big difference so i ended buying a roger Pen thinking I will connect to my marvel out of the box. WRONG! only IN version will do that for normal version you need to have receive software install in your marvel. I was lucky to be able to return them
Great video, thank you. Could I ask how well you think this would perform when being worn by a runner? The sound of it bouncing and wind noise are my main concerns. Thanks for your time.
More like this Dr. cliff. way to go
Hi Cliff. Something I don't believe you mentioned in your review which could be the most significant upgrade from its predecessors is the stereo capability. This is not only an advantage for streaming but a significant step forward in assisting with directionality of voices received through the microphones. I am only going by the literature to date. I have not purchased or tried the device as yet.
As much as I dislike the Phonak app, the TV streamer does keep the app settings, so I can believe that might also apply to the Roger ON. As usual a great review.
Great video as usual! I love the suggestion to add the telecoil to the Roger On. I am bimodal, AB Naida CI waiting for my Marvel CI upgrade and receiving a Lumity HA to try next week. How does the Roger On work for bimodal situation? Can it pair with both simultaneously?
Hi Dr Cliff
Very helpful review! Thank you.
I currently use a Roger In Pen with my Marvels and it's great. Other than the app, is it worth the money to upgrade?
Also a review on Phonaks My Call to Trxt app would be great.
Thanks again for your helpful videos.
Love Phonak and its accessories. In the market for new Phonaks and Roger On looks terrific. Want t-coil in a Paradise so wouldn't matter that Roger On doesn't have t-coil. Right? Appreciate your instructive videos. I have an inherited hearing loss that's decreased my hearing to being clinically deaf at age 84 and have used hearing aids since 1982. Phonak has worked best for me the last 20 years. My hometown, Dr. Cliff, is close to Joliet Illinois and Kankakee! Thanks for your dedication to helping the deaf and HOH!
I was born in 1982. What city are you from?
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Dr. Cliff, I understand the Phonak Naida Paradise has had some firmware problems and also the Roger On has been on backorder for some time because of the chip! I definitely want to order this hearing aid with the Roger On, but not have problems. Should I wait to see an audiologist? I'm in TX now and an experienced Phonak user.. Technology is moving so fast, I'm wondering if something else is coming out by Phonak within the next year! Any advice is welcome! Appreciate your input and your videos are great! - Marilyn
Would love to hear video on different roger devices and what best for restaurants
Hi there. I was wondering if you had any suggestion/advice as to which one is better: the Roger ON or Roger Table Mic II? I've got the Widex Moment, can I use the Roger ON? I mostly need it for teaching in a classroom so that I can hear them speaking while they're wearing their masks. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Hi ,I have recently been using the roger on in ,and found it works better with the hearing aid set on very low volume,this allowed the roger to function to its best as the hearing aid on its usual setting was over riding the function of the roger on in.i now get a clear sound and it works ,are you aware of this as it wasn’t mentioned thru your videos and it would be a great help to other users new to the roger
A very helpful review.
love my Roger On iN with Paradise P90 RT. best combination. ver versatile and worth rvry penny. in my view ANYTHING else is a second best ... Bill in UK
I have the Widex version of the microphone. It works pretty well, especially in situations where the speaker is wearing a mask and I can't lip read. It uses Bluetooth and connects directly to the hearing aids. No need for a Comdex or phone.
Hi Wayne what is the name of the Widex version of the mic? I have Widex hearing aids and would like to find the least expensive that is compatible with my Evoke aids. EveF
Dr. Cliff, I have the roger pen and roger x receiver. I now wear oticon exceed 3 hearing aids. What instrument can I connect the roger X to the new hearing aids? My old oticon streamer pro was my instrument for my old oticon hearing aids, the roger X, and the roger pen. Appreciate any suggestions on this issue. I noticed the newer oticon Connect Clip does not have a three prong connection port for the roger X reciever
This video was informative! I really liked how that works! I also like that there’s an app that shows battery life! Now I wish I had something like that for my Roger Select iN!
I have AB Sky M90 CI’s and I found out that the Roger ON iN is compatible with them!
Also for the standard Roger ON (the one without the iN) does the boot work with the first generation ComPilot? I heard you mention ComPilot 2 but what about the first generation?
It would be good to know for those that don’t want to upgrade their equipment.
Yes, the Roger ON is compatible with your AB SKY M90 CIs. The Roger ON is also compatible with the first generation ComPilot with the Roger X receiver.
Can the Rodger On be serviced and the battery replaced, or is it a throw away when the battery dies, like the Partner Mic?
I‘ve been spending my evenings binge watching drCliff videos in preparation for getting what turned out to be Lumity 90s, which came out after this video. They include RogerDirect. Does this mean I can get the Roger On, rather than the Roger On iN?
Thank you for any insight.
Dr Cliff, I hope this message finds you. I have the Phonak Paradise HA and a Thinklab stethoscope. If I purchase the Roger On IN will this be compatible so that I can bluetooth sounds from my stethoscope to my HA? If so do you have any advice or experience with doing this? Thank you 😊
Any chance you can do a side by side comparison of the Roger Select and the Roger On? I have the Marvel P90 that are in good condition but I have a hard time in background noise. I have hearing loss in low tones and gif frequencies. Thinking of getting one of these devices vs upgrading my hearing aids right now.
I am getting a demo of the newest Roger On. So far happiest with the table and presenter modes. What is the intended or ideal distance for pointing mode?
Hi, may I suggest to compare the different Roger acssesorries? For example, I do not really get the difference between the Roger On and Roger Select. Thanks for that.
I've been trying to google this but I can't seem to understand. What would I need if I wanted to connect this to an oticon more?
One thing to note is the Roger ON has a USB C port, which is MUCH easier to plug in and out than the older Roger versions, which used USB Micro B (my mom had a Roger Select and it used that). USB C has a much better lifespan and amount of plugs/unplugs compared to USB Micro B, not to mention potential higher quality audio being transmitted and faster charging.
What is the best solution for a large lecture hall as in a law school and the professor lectures in a Socratic method and students answer back and forth with the professor? Son experiencing difficulty listening to students in class when responding to professor.
I have Signia 7x hearing aids. Is it compatible with Roger ON or Roger On iN? Thanks.
How can I switch between several mics, when having having classes at college?
hi dr. cliff, Which product would you suggest for Phonak M90 users, particularly for improving their experience in meeting rooms with long tables where white noise, including noise from the ceiling AC, presents a significant challenge? I often struggle to understand speech in this environment due to the constant white noise from the AC.
Could you do a review of the lively hearing aids being advertised
I have Widex Evoke 440 hearing aids. Would they be compatible with the Roger On? Thanks, Eve
How MAH power battery roger on have installed inside?
Problem is as soon as you connect a toslink cable the TV speakers stop working.
Hi Dr. Cliff, How much it will cost? and can you program it for me online remotely? I just got fitted with KS10.0.
thank you.
Hi Dr Cliff, I have 2 pairs of Phonak Marvel aids, M30-T and M90-R. Roger On iN is paired with M30 aids. Can I connect the same Roger ON iN to M90 aids as well? I would like it to connect to either pair I choose to wear. is it possible at all? Thanks
My left ear completely deaf and right hear 50% able to hear. Plz advice which brand suit me better, phonak or this one or any other brand.plz. I try signia,but the device so bad.
Hi, could you please show HOW to attach the microphone to the lanyard? I cannot find it anywhere! It looks strange since the lanyard has a plastic device with a sort of alcove, but I do not really understand what is the means and how it is supposed to be attached to the mike PLEASE?
Just test driving the rogers on do you still think it is the best with my marvel hearing aids
Dr. Cliff, My daughter has the Naida M90-SP, her high school has activated the internal receivers and she uses an FM system.
She is going to college and I would like to buy her the Roger ON, but I am confused whether I need to buy the Roger ON iN or the Roger ON???
Hi Dr Cliff
I would like to know if it is compatible with Med-El sonnet2? Do I need to purchase Roger X as well as Roger ON ? Will Roger X fit to Sonnet 2 ?
Does this work with the newer Lumity models?
Are these microphones tied to one HA or Phone only or can 2 people share the same microphone at the same time?
Hi Dr. Chiff. Both my wife and I wear Phonak hearing aids (bilateral). Can we use a single Roger On to link with both of us? Thanks.
Hello Doc. Is that Roger mic is Alexa compatible? Or do you know any proscription hearing aids with Alexa compatible?
I'm aware that this is an old video, but my VA provider only gives us the phonak partner mic is there a comparison between the two of them
I wear some P70R, and autosense is the bane of my everyday use for these. I want full control of the software.
I would love to try some of the Roger accessories but I have always been blown away by the cost of these devices. I think anytime you talk about Roger, the number one drawback should always be the cost.
Cost is not always a negative for everyone. To some people the cost is out of reach, for others, the cost is a non-issue so it is hard to rank it as a negative, otherwise COST would always be the #1 drawback for everything.
Yea. They aren't cheap.
Relatively Roger accessories is the most expensive ALDs, although these are the only compatible with all HAs
Yes the accessories are expensive. I have worn hearing aids for many years after enjoying normal hearing for decades. Roger select was like a bolt of lightening for my hearing and Roger ON has further improved the quality of life and does outweigh the cost factor. Mildly put I never realised what a difference the assisting device makes till I got roger. Better late than never.
Let’s not dismiss any discussion about costs. Not everyone can afford a car but we still consider that as part of the evaluation in which car to buy.
@Doctor Cliff, AuD You bring up an interesting issue I would love to see covered: How to connect to land-line phones. It seems the manufacturers think Bluetooth is the answer to our connectivity problems. It used to be relatively easy to connect to, say a cordless phone, now not so much. I have been trying to find a way to connect my Paradise to the 2 line phones we use at work with no luck. My T coil picks up rf interference from the nearby streetcar tracks and I have yet to find a device I can use with the 3.5 jack that I can use while I walk around. With lord knows how many hearing impaired folks working who need to be able to use cordless phones (esp in retail) it would seem worth addressing.
You can try using Jabra GN2125 telecoil compatible headset
@@elizabethsmith6126 I can't use my t-coil because of the RF interference in our building which causes loud background noise in T-coil mode.
I have a bluetooth hub that can connect hearing equipment to landlines
Question: Can Roger devices be used with BiCROS hearing aids?
does roger x works well on zoom?
Has any one used this. Does the sound of your own voice coming through the roger and your hearing aids at the same time distracting?
Dr. Olson, could you please do a comparison video of the practical differences between the Select IN & the On IN when using with Paradise P90s?
I won't be making a comparison video, however, the Roger ON iN gives you pointing mode and app control which the Select iN does not.
1. Directionality mode itself takes the R ON into a different league. Point and hear a person even through a mask. More so in noisy environments. In social and work situations and reduced significantly the stress of work/socialising . 2. Longer battery life. 3. Visible battery life. 4. Person wearing the R ON can be much further away from hearing aids.
Hello, I am a mother searching for microphone systems for my son with hearing loss in a classroom setting. Your videos are really helpful, so that I quickly decided to subscribe your channel. Have you made any videos comparing EduMic and Roger on? Thanks!
Edumic is probably more appropriate. The school should be paying for it.
How much does it cost to turn a Roger On iN on? Does a generic Bluetooth directional microphone work with a Phonak Life? I understand it would not have a dedicated app and all the cool features of Roger On iN.
Do you know if older Roger devices will get a firmware update soon to be able to control them via the My Roger Mic app? Like particularly controlling Roger select direction selection or the Roger Pen mode using the mobile app.
I doubt it, but nothing is impossible
My son has the phone marvel sky hearing aides and it came with a clip on microphone. How do you think the remote would compare to a Roger as far as clarity goes.
Clarity will be similar, but you can get this clarity in multiple situations that you could have access to with the clip on microphone alone.
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Dr Cliffe the Roger select used to make you look like Iron Man on with all the lights going, clearly Phonak are moving away from the device as a fashion accessory!
Hi Cliff, so I have a challenge in my case, I have a Marvel CI on Left and a Marvel hearing aid on right, I have good low frequency hearing on hearing aid but high frequency on CI side and need both to hear well. so is there a way to set device to mono? its real issue when streaming as well as sometimes the sound is only on left channel because of how it was recorded or edited.
Depending on what device you are streaming from, you can switch your audio to Mono. This would be done from the streaming device, not the CI or hearing aid.
With the Costco KS-10's being a rebranded version of the Phonak Paradise P-90's, can you tell us if the Roger On iN will function seamlessly with the KS-10's? Or will there be an external device required like Oticon or ReSound require?
I was going to ask the same question.
It is compatible with the KS 10.0
@@DrCliffAuD are you able to comment on whether Costco KS 10s have the iN receivers? This will help those of us looking to purchase a Roger On whether we need the Roger On iN or the other one.
@@alanam.bergphr9161 Doctor Cliff - could you please respond to Alana's question
Are either of the Roger On accessories clip-on? I've noticed that my other medical professionals are much more willing to clip on a device (like my Resound Multi Mic) rather than talk into my iPhone.
Yes they are!
Dr. Cliff, can you use the Roger On as a front microphone for being hands free on my phone? Using the hearing aid mic, people say my audio is not as loud and the hearing aid mic pics up all the noise in the room. So thinking my Roger On could work as a better option to being hands free. Not sure how one would set that up to work that way. Would also like to somehow set it up with my Cisco phone at work that would really be helpful to be hands free with my work phone.
I have my Roger On iN connected to my work HP laptop via a RCA audio cable to the an HP docking station. I use it for two way communications via Microsoft Teams all the time and people hear me quite well.
How do I set up a Roger Network to use my Roger Select and Roger On to have them working together with my Phonak Paradise 90 battery hearing aids?
Have your hearing care professional set it up to do so. It can br complicated.
I have Roger Select device and Phonak Paradise. I wonder does Pointing Mode 2.0 make difference and make Roger On complementary to Roger Select. Can I give them (Roger On + Roger Select) to two different person in presenter modes and still hear them simultaneously?
To my knowledge, you can't tether the Roger ON and Roger Select to use simultaneously. Pointing mode is personally my favorite feature of the Roger ON.
@@DrCliffAuD, thanks! I also think that pointing mode is most useful function of its.
Dr Cliff, i already have the Roger select, is it worth upgrading?
If you want the Pointing function and the ability to use App controls.
Hi Dr Cliff,
I have just bought a P90 (13t) and a CROS P. I a roger X type3, a Roger Select and a Roger pen mic 1.1. I was told I would need another Roger X type3 and my provider will need an "installer". Why would I need (2) Roger X type 3's. My CROS shouldn't need a roger license intiated into it because it'll be shut off when I am streaming --won't it?
You don't. You only need one.
How much does it cost?
If I connect this to a laptop PC, does it allow two way communications in the same way phone streaming directly to my HAs does?
No, it does not.
I have my Roger On iN connected to my work HP laptop via a RCA audio cable to the an HP docking station. I use it for two way communications via Microsoft Teams all the time and people hear me quite well. I also connect to my home PC using a USB-C connector to the Roger and listen to videos such as this one. However, it does not look like the microphones work for USB-C connection. My only problem with the Roger is that when you get out of range, it beeps incessantly with the program change beeps.
Would love to
Questions:
Can you use multiple Roger On devices in table mode like a table mic 2 or will it only work in presenter mode like the Roger select?
Is there any improvement in the distance the Roger On can handle in comparison to the Roger Select?
I've personally noticed the Roger select's clip and neck loop setup to be difficult to use and prone to fail during active environments (like if hiking). Could you show all the different attachment mechanisms for the Roger On?
Is it possible to select the direction of the audio in table mode from the device like the Roger select or can you only do that in app?
Judging from its manual, On behaves the same as Select - when there's more than one, all but first one go into presenter mode. Also, I didn't see any option to pick mic/beams on the device.
So, unless they made it absolutely better in terms of mics, I don't see much improvement over Select. Ok you can lock it in some mic mode. App doesn't bring anything THAT useful, and yeah, not having buttons on the device for picking beams isn't appealing to me.
I have pen (regular, 2nd hand from ebay) and select iN (new), and select is much much more superior in sound quality and ability to catch the sound you want. But leaning over and one touch and you have focus on another group around the table VS looking for a phone, opening the app, dying of waiting if it's similar to myphonak app - that sentence you wanted to catch is gone with the wind long time ago... reaching towards the middle of the table and clicking and those lights chaning onto who you want to hear better - actually is very very helpful because then your speaker gets very clear information that you're trying to hear them better. It ends being a nice gesture, and reminds them to speak louder/clearly/come closer - very very helpful :D
I think gadget is superior to old one if it gives you more speed to react - so, autosense vs clicking buttons (and remembering options), autoconnect vs clicking buttons, but needing phone in order to choose beams looks like two steps back compared to what we already have on the market (select).
It would be nice of dr cliff if he does some objective tests / recordings of demonstration of listening capabilities and do the comparison with the select.
@@inesucrvenom I would definitely love to see the objective tests, or even double blind subjective tests.
@@DrCliffAuD are you 100% sure eg did you test? Because user manual says they won't be in table mode, but presenter, like select and pen do (they work so that first one is table, others are in presenter/lapel mode)... Unless I misread something whilst reading the manual.
Sorry, you are correct, you can use multiple Table Mics along with at Roger ON, but not multiple Roger ON devices in Table Mode.
@@DrCliffAuD thanks for double checking... It seems that phonak doesn't want us to make a network of other mics in table mode as long as they have table mic ii on offer. Pity. It is probably different tech solution involved though.
does it use an inductive link (like with tv connector)?
No. It uses a form of Bluetooth.
How about a way to connect to android cell phones that won't pair to hearing aids.
Yeah, might need to get a new phone.
i have this device, woorks well at home, in the car etc. but at parties the backgroundnoise also gets directed to my ears and i have to turn it off again
You know, my hearing aids have telecoil, but I have NEVER been in any public place that has telecoil streaming...guess it's too expensive for them to install.
Great video! I have a Phonic Audio Paradise and still find the need for an assisted device to help me during meetings, so have been considering the Roger On. A few questions.... How would this help with a stage production in a small, community theatre that doesn't have telecoil capabilities? Do I need to have my audiologist install the microphone in my hearing aids, or is it just a software addition? Thanks so much!
Dr. Cliff's usual great video. Problems I have are with Phonak; cost & appearance. The Roger devices are far too conspicuous. You're carrying or wearing an obvious device that says" I'm wearing hearing aids." I've worn Paradise hearing aids for several years and most people are unaware of that fact. Why not make such a device that looks like a real pen, jewelry, or other commonplace wearable?
Lots of people complaining about the cost of Phonak accessories, but very hard to find out what those actually are. I'm sure like the aids themselves, prices can vary greatly by provider, but would really love a ballpark price or range for what this Roger ON should cost? Dr. Cliff, can you let us know approx. how much this device should cost in the U.S.? And/or anyone else able to share how much they paid for theirs? Thanks!
I've found the best way to get prices on items like this is ebay. It's currently listed from a couple of people for $750
@@charliep777 I'm assuming those are for pre-owned ones? Also worth noting...these are not plug-and play, so requires an Audiologist or HA provider to re-program/enable your aids to work with the Roger device.
I just spent 15 minutes commenting on the importance that this device has a very quick start up time but I think my post was deleted. Why? Completely bizarre, I was making a really important point as somebody who has severe loss.
No idea. I only delete posts that have profanity or are offensive.
can you hear sounds in stereo with this device? Thanks in advance.
Good question. I currently use a Signia Easytek neckloop with a tv transmitter and it does send stereo sound to my Signia hearing aids. If the roger can do the same that would be great.
Yes, stereo sound.
Thanks doctor. Now getting money to buy it is the issue.
Cliff, you missed the boat by poo pooing the ability to hook up a "radio". Do you know what happens when your older patients retire? They travel. And when you travel with tours they hand you a little radio and you can hear your guide. Everyone else plugs in their headphones and is happy. Those of us with hearing aids are screwed. Unless you have a device like this. Then you plug in your radio to the Rodger on and you hear directly. My trip to Italy was done via a pair of rexton hearing aids that had a streamer with that little 3.5 mm jack and I almost cried at being able to hear like every one else. Two years later with oticons in Ireland it was a nightmare. I missed so much of that expensive tour bc oticon didn't see fit to add that jack to their streamer. So don't sell that feature short. I'm literally buying it for that and that alone
Have some company build roger cel phone easy to have mike phones placed for different directions wold be very a discreet.
How does this device compare to the PockeTalker assisted listening device from Williamson in one criteria i.e quality and ease of conversation. At less than 200$ the Pocket talker has been my preferred option so far. Thanks for your great videos
The Roger ON is in a different category. I have a detailed review of the PocketTalker on my channel as well. Love the PT myself.
What if I decide to upgrade hearing aids in the future, would it be possible to transfer the roger X receivers already installed on my phonak Marvel over to the paradise or the KS-10 hearing aids?
Yes, easy to transfer.
@@DrCliffAuD great to hear, thanks for your quick response!
1. Does this means, Roger On is combining TV connector, Roger Select, Roger Touchscreen and Roger Pen all together? Buying Roger On is enough for me to do everything?
2. How's the price? Is Roger On more expensive than Roger Select?
#1. Pretty much yes. #2. They are approximately the same price.
For the price paid, the version I received does not include the dock. That's kind of absurd. Also, Phonak has lost the plot with regard to cost in general. Sadly I'm a die hard Phonak person, having switched from Resound ITEs to Phonak BTEs nearly 20 years ago.
Question I have is there a slight delay in the word spoken and the sound entering the hearing aid? I have listened to another receiver and there is a half second delay, hard to hear clearly.
I disagree with you..roger pen is the best really I feel so sorry that I took roger on and I was hasty with my decision 😢
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Oh my god, what a waterfall of information. You are speaking to fast and don't breath in between ;-). Please speak next time on a lower speed, so people can absorb the information in a better way.
@gordonaramsay6648 Re. your comment - you can slow down the speech by going to the RUclips settings icon at the bottom of the video and changing the playback speed. Also, you can activate subtitles/transcript by clicking on the CC at the bottom of the video.