I do agree that some leniency/rewards for higher ranks are necessary. The nature of Masochist is that you'll always be struggling against any coherent strategy... once you get high enough that you'll face even poorly-constructed meta decks with any consistency, you'll hit an insurmountable wall if you don't work in ways to adapt the rules to meet the challenge.
@@RedOgreGameing No way lol. It's called the Masochist series for a reason. Maybe 1 secret pack upon reaching plat or something. But anything more kind of makes a mockery of the masochist concept. Its not that hard to make it past silver.
@@japan100100 see the problem is, at a certain point the challenge just isn't fun anymore, not for the creator or the viewer. The only people who enjoy it past that point are the ones who get off on the misery of others, and those people don't matter
yestest absolutely. I've never seen Cimo's masochist series, but I've always had a feeling that getting to higher ranks would be simply impossible with the current ruleset. We don't just want to watch you suffer. We want to watch an underdog rise to the top under an insane challenge.
Future visions can be a pretty good floodgate, you basically play your turn normally and than slap it down, so when your opponent normal summon it becomes banished for a turn
Joe, you are so darn good at these intro hooks. "Building decks the hard way. Havin fun with HardLeg, its the Deck Build Challenge", "What is a Deck? Nothing but a miserable pile of staples. Have at ye", etc. theyre all so good
To be fair, the Masochist intro is a parody of a famous scene from Castlevania Symphony of the Night. The original line is "What is a man? Nothing buy a miserable pile of secrets" So I can't take full credit for it lol.
@@HardlegGaming I know, I've seen DieMonster.wav, but it still goes insane. I don't know how many other people would have thought to parody it for afriggin yugioh intro
#yestest Honestly this is the only one of these I've found that interesting, and I think it's because the starting scenario was a bit more generous. It's mostly just frustrating to watch somebody stuck with 40 cards and absolutely zero they can do to change their playstyle as they lose over and over until they hit a bot or something. Likewise, they always stall out at higher ranks and are forced to wait for the derank to get any new cards. What if every win after plat is allowed to be a secret pack, but it must be one encountered via other packs that same day (since no crafting)? I assume you already have ideas tho, and I look forward to seeing them! I don't write youtube comments often, I think I'm doing it wrong
#Yestest! Absolutely within the spirit of the challenge imo. Scolding and Double Hooking in one pack is pretty nice. Hooking especially can make some otherwise hard-to-get-to extra deck payoffs much easier to reach.
I’ve always thought Masochist runs should have some level of secret pack use to construct decks - just something like being able to pull from secret packs you’ve unlocked. It’s still 1 pack, half the cards are nothing, and there’s a low chance of getting SR/UR still Especially if streamers do it, as they’re likely to let more than 24 hours for packs to no longer be available I just think it allows more actual decision making and makes the higher ranks less “giant wall you can’t pass” like
I am enjoying this series a fair amount. I commented this on a previous video but you might have not seen it: you pulled a D/D Orthros earlier which I think absolutely deserves a spot in your deck. If you take any damage, you can special summon it from your hand to block stuff. It locks you into fiends that turn but the next turn it is just a generic level 4 to xyz with or a level 4 tuner to synchro with. It would make me so happy if you played D/D Orthros.
I saw the comment. I just don't think I have any good payoffs. Most of my monsters are level 4, and I have no level 8 synchros, just 6s and 7s; so having a level 4 tuner doesn't help much.
@HardlegGaming Fair enough. Maybe it can be tribute fodder or something too but I can see the logic. I am gonna hope you get some rank 4's or synchro 8's soon so maybe you can eventually play it. Best of luck!
I have been stalled out in Plat in my challenge for literal months. I eventually had to adjust my rules to make it tolerable and I still haven't broken into diamond. #yestest It's literally impossible to continue without changes to the rules. It was difficult when the concept of a masochist challenge came into existence, but with the presence of Snake Eye Fire King its so, so much harder.
#Yestest Any new card could potentially extend the series another episode or two. Plus its not like you’ll pull something that’s so strong you’ll overpower everything. They’re just Arby’s giftcards
Im still gonna watch either way so not really gonna vote, but watching Cimo's masochist run, it gets VERY stale banking on bots for packs on the plat to diamond grind. 100% do anything to get more packs imo but still within the spirit of the mode. it's fine to want to be a masochist purist but at the same time the entertainment value needs to be taken into account.
Per rank you go up you can turn cards into gems to make certain cards. Gold for R Plat SR and Diamond UR Makes you risk getting rid of a card you might want later and gives you a small amount to maybe craft 1 or 2 cards
Many events happened in 1950, including the start of the Korean War, the beginning of the Cold War, and the passing of the McCarran Internal Security Act
OTK with Battlin' Boxers is possible by using a Heroic Engine (3 morning star, 1 knuckle sword, 3 envoy, 2 call) as long as you don't use promoter or Switchitter it's possible to either use Utopia double or summon an at least 5k attack Claivesolish if attacking directly
@@MattAnd I mean you use the Battlin' Boxers to swarm the field which turns on Morningstar. Not to mention the Claivesolish can also just boost one of the Battlin' Boxer XYZ's. Also there's only like 3 Utopia cards in the Utopia double OTK. Finally the reason I even use this engine is because of Battlin' Boxers having no easy way to out a Chaos Max of all things. Outside of General Kaiser which requires rank up magics with non searchable searchers it's impossible for them to beat over one or full on Towers in general so Claivesolish and Utopia Double come in.
Hey don't knock on future visions, against decks that depend on their normal sticking, its practically a flood gate. Plus if you ever get a vaguely consistent way to remove it, it becomes removal of sorts. 21:06 - Probably didn't matter, but if you used spell shattering arrow you could deny them their draws at this moment. Promethean princess gy summon and pop only triggers on special summons
You can definitively do the Proficency tests. You will quickly see that the missions arent that easy for a Masochist deck and it ads a unique nice challenge.
Yestest I do a masochist run myself, i have access to the legacy packs from the test and it honestly dont change much but u can get some fun and great card
EASY #yestest, if I ever say no to the proficiency test know that some horrible alien has taken over my mind. Really funny way to get slightly stronger
I say do #yestest but when you reach platinum you are allowed to use the seasonal pass to get as many rewards and cards as you can in order to possibly make the deck masochist thingy a lot both easier but also more of a reason to win duels to continue gaining a lot of possible new cards that may or may not help the deck out, at the bare minimum it makes it a little more fun when you can get into plat love the series though im having fun watching it
#yestest I think you should start focusing on water. You've got a lot of decent water support. It would probably result in a more cohesive deck than the warrior stuff.
i dunno why but when i heard you still take the damage what if they had like one character who just goes: "yeah and what so life is just a disposable resource we should use to further our own goals. it is s´nothing more than a meaningless therm for the time between non existence and the end...." and just like a 5 minute monologue over the meaninglessness of life to instantly snap back to but you still take the damage. someone should make a abridged out of that
#yestest honestly i always wanted you to buy a 10 master pack when you rank up like from silver to gold because the problem with masochist is that past a certain point it becomes impossible
#yestest and once you really start building up a collection, I do suggest looking at making other decks, especially when you just hit a rollover in the season so there's less punish to the climb.
#yestest some helps good, just dont want it to go into full, like, 'oh I can open all packs and build my deck an craft cards' as it loses the masochist angle
#yestest It’s not big enough of a boost to ruin the spirit of the challenge, but it’s still pretty helpful. Hopefully you get some good cards from those packs.
#yestest hell yeah do I approve you getting more options as time goes on. I really want to see you be able to lock in a real strategy, piles of garbage are funny the first 3 duels, but like, unless you pull like a god, you're not going to have any sort of cohesive stragety, which gets boring, as that boils down the gameplan to "Hope I'm against a quadriplegic, or I'm dead"
Yestest to hardleg your way into the ranks of diamond, where few masochists have gone before... the legacy packs are basically garbage anyway, besides the barrier statues
#yestest I am enjoying the series and I don't want to see it stall out and possibly die because you can't get any cards worth their weight in digital cardboard.
14:13 you use double hooking to discard the dragon to summon it back, not saying that's good or anything just saying that you don't need another way of getting to the grave it is indeed only a 2 card combo.
#yestest As someone who has stalled out in Plat on their masochist challenge, getting access to anything new is always a blessing
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I do agree that some leniency/rewards for higher ranks are necessary. The nature of Masochist is that you'll always be struggling against any coherent strategy... once you get high enough that you'll face even poorly-constructed meta decks with any consistency, you'll hit an insurmountable wall if you don't work in ways to adapt the rules to meet the challenge.
Yeah I feel like he should be able to git a set of like 5 secret packs or something to help post silver
exactly
@@RedOgreGameing No way lol. It's called the Masochist series for a reason. Maybe 1 secret pack upon reaching plat or something. But anything more kind of makes a mockery of the masochist concept. Its not that hard to make it past silver.
@@japan100100 see the problem is, at a certain point the challenge just isn't fun anymore, not for the creator or the viewer. The only people who enjoy it past that point are the ones who get off on the misery of others, and those people don't matter
He could open 10 master packs per rank up and it wouldnt even matter honestly lets not get ahead of ourselves @@japan100100
yestest absolutely. I've never seen Cimo's masochist series, but I've always had a feeling that getting to higher ranks would be simply impossible with the current ruleset. We don't just want to watch you suffer. We want to watch an underdog rise to the top under an insane challenge.
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Might be easier too count them like this
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#yestest You’re about to hit the wall of somewhat coherent jank so give yourself as much of an advantage as possible
Future visions can be a pretty good floodgate, you basically play your turn normally and than slap it down, so when your opponent normal summon it becomes banished for a turn
Joe, you are so darn good at these intro hooks. "Building decks the hard way. Havin fun with HardLeg, its the Deck Build Challenge", "What is a Deck? Nothing but a miserable pile of staples. Have at ye", etc. theyre all so good
To be fair, the Masochist intro is a parody of a famous scene from Castlevania Symphony of the Night.
The original line is "What is a man? Nothing buy a miserable pile of secrets"
So I can't take full credit for it lol.
@@HardlegGaming I know, I've seen DieMonster.wav, but it still goes insane. I don't know how many other people would have thought to parody it for afriggin yugioh intro
The sound effect when you put a card in to the spell/trap zone gets me every time ahahahaha
29:04 Oh, but it is YOU who has not read Two Toads this time, dear, foolish Hardleg! With your Banisher on the field, your Toads are POWERLESS!
As someone that has fully embraced and fallen in love with Battlin Boxers, that loss you had to them felt great lol!
As a person with a couple battlin boxers in their masochist deck that have become plan A, i agree
Can't say enough how entertaining you are man #yestest
Tell your friends! :)
Finding out Spell Shattering Arrow only destroys Spells is the equivalent of the floor is made out of floor lol
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Honestly this is the only one of these I've found that interesting, and I think it's because the starting scenario was a bit more generous. It's mostly just frustrating to watch somebody stuck with 40 cards and absolutely zero they can do to change their playstyle as they lose over and over until they hit a bot or something.
Likewise, they always stall out at higher ranks and are forced to wait for the derank to get any new cards. What if every win after plat is allowed to be a secret pack, but it must be one encountered via other packs that same day (since no crafting)? I assume you already have ideas tho, and I look forward to seeing them!
I don't write youtube comments often, I think I'm doing it wrong
Your comment was just fine :)
And yeah, I got plans for when I hit Plat. I'll reveal them when we get there.
Just wanna say this is one of my fav masochist series out there!! Keep it up Mr. Leg 🦵
#Yestest! Absolutely within the spirit of the challenge imo.
Scolding and Double Hooking in one pack is pretty nice. Hooking especially can make some otherwise hard-to-get-to extra deck payoffs much easier to reach.
#yestest more content is always welcome. Plus id like to see you get more of a "strategy" for your deck
Solemn Johnson finally graces the series with an appearance.
I’ve always thought Masochist runs should have some level of secret pack use to construct decks - just something like being able to pull from secret packs you’ve unlocked. It’s still 1 pack, half the cards are nothing, and there’s a low chance of getting SR/UR still
Especially if streamers do it, as they’re likely to let more than 24 hours for packs to no longer be available
I just think it allows more actual decision making and makes the higher ranks less “giant wall you can’t pass” like
Time-tearing Morganite in a runick deck is just racist against humanity
I am enjoying this series a fair amount. I commented this on a previous video but you might have not seen it: you pulled a D/D Orthros earlier which I think absolutely deserves a spot in your deck. If you take any damage, you can special summon it from your hand to block stuff. It locks you into fiends that turn but the next turn it is just a generic level 4 to xyz with or a level 4 tuner to synchro with. It would make me so happy if you played D/D Orthros.
I saw the comment. I just don't think I have any good payoffs. Most of my monsters are level 4, and I have no level 8 synchros, just 6s and 7s; so having a level 4 tuner doesn't help much.
@HardlegGaming Fair enough. Maybe it can be tribute fodder or something too but I can see the logic. I am gonna hope you get some rank 4's or synchro 8's soon so maybe you can eventually play it. Best of luck!
#yestest We have to always encourage studying.
Wtf I can't believe the spell shattering arrow only destroys spell, we love you hardleg, never change
13:00 this is like twin twisters to mst for call of the haunted
That salad deck looks like a deck a guy built because he doesn't believe in "net decking".
Was not expecting to hear patiently Waiting what a throwback
I have been stalled out in Plat in my challenge for literal months. I eventually had to adjust my rules to make it tolerable and I still haven't broken into diamond. #yestest It's literally impossible to continue without changes to the rules. It was difficult when the concept of a masochist challenge came into existence, but with the presence of Snake Eye Fire King its so, so much harder.
Wanted to give probs to Mr Metal, the editing is really well done!
This intro is a great vibe
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Any new card could potentially extend the series another episode or two. Plus its not like you’ll pull something that’s so strong you’ll overpower everything. They’re just Arby’s giftcards
Im still gonna watch either way so not really gonna vote, but watching Cimo's masochist run, it gets VERY stale banking on bots for packs on the plat to diamond grind. 100% do anything to get more packs imo but still within the spirit of the mode. it's fine to want to be a masochist purist but at the same time the entertainment value needs to be taken into account.
aah don't throw me out of your house i like it there
Yestest I say. I like the idea of bonuses when you rank up
Legacy Packs are so completely useless 99% of the time. Open all the packs you want! *YESTEST*
Oh yes i need to know more about these
Per rank you go up you can turn cards into gems to make certain cards. Gold for R Plat SR and Diamond UR
Makes you risk getting rid of a card you might want later and gives you a small amount to maybe craft 1 or 2 cards
If you can jump through the hoops, those legacy packs are earned. Yestest
Future visions is a pretty insane turn 1 interruption
Many events happened in 1950, including the start of the Korean War, the beginning of the Cold War, and the passing of the McCarran Internal Security Act
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Yestest. Totally fine with anything that prevents stalling
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As much as I like the struggle you need something to prevent flatlining too much.
Somehow, I didn't have "Quote 50 Cent" on my Masochist Bingo Card
FUTURE VISIONS, fuck yo Normal Summon!
YESTEST on stream, because I want to see you take the quizzes cause that sounds fun
#yestest more options is more fun and id really like to see this series go the distance
OTK with Battlin' Boxers is possible by using a Heroic Engine (3 morning star, 1 knuckle sword, 3 envoy, 2 call) as long as you don't use promoter or Switchitter it's possible to either use Utopia double or summon an at least 5k attack Claivesolish if attacking directly
I feel using a heroic engine and Utopia cards stops it being a Battlin Boxer OTK, at that point it’s one of those two archetypes doing the OTK
@@MattAnd I mean you use the Battlin' Boxers to swarm the field which turns on Morningstar. Not to mention the Claivesolish can also just boost one of the Battlin' Boxer XYZ's. Also there's only like 3 Utopia cards in the Utopia double OTK. Finally the reason I even use this engine is because of Battlin' Boxers having no easy way to out a Chaos Max of all things. Outside of General Kaiser which requires rank up magics with non searchable searchers it's impossible for them to beat over one or full on Towers in general so Claivesolish and Utopia Double come in.
Yestest; please mister jailer! Won't you let my baby go free!
#yestest let's shake things up
Hey don't knock on future visions, against decks that depend on their normal sticking, its practically a flood gate. Plus if you ever get a vaguely consistent way to remove it, it becomes removal of sorts.
21:06 - Probably didn't matter, but if you used spell shattering arrow you could deny them their draws at this moment.
Promethean princess gy summon and pop only triggers on special summons
You can definitively do the Proficency tests. You will quickly see that the missions arent that easy for a Masochist deck and it ads a unique nice challenge.
#yestest . Sure, maybe you can get a playset of Kuribabylon like some other youtuber doing masochist
Is Battlin Boxer finally gonna get it's redemption arc?!? The hardleg lore runs deep 😂
Yes, but against you 😅
#yestest the boost is simultaneously needed and not enough of a major boost to get you free wins
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I do a masochist run myself, i have access to the legacy packs from the test and it honestly dont change much but u can get some fun and great card
let's see what happens this time around
6:47 oh shit we pulled Lews Therin
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seems like a fair play. Definitely worthy of stream I want to see you at least make diamond.
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Cimo got me to do my first Masochist run, and your take on it is making me want to run it back.
#yestest Even a masochist needs some leeway, plus it's educational
Love this series
EASY #yestest, if I ever say no to the proficiency test know that some horrible alien has taken over my mind. Really funny way to get slightly stronger
I say do #yestest but when you reach platinum you are allowed to use the seasonal pass to get as many rewards and cards as you can in order to possibly make the deck masochist thingy a lot both easier but also more of a reason to win duels to continue gaining a lot of possible new cards that may or may not help the deck out, at the bare minimum it makes it a little more fun when you can get into plat
love the series though im having fun watching it
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Its a nice idea to make use of every resource the game has available
I'd watch twice a week
#yestest I do like the idea of getting a bit of help the more difficult things get
YesTest prep for your exams!
That was like the weirdest salad player ive ever seen
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I think you should start focusing on water. You've got a lot of decent water support. It would probably result in a more cohesive deck than the warrior stuff.
#yestest I dont think more legacy packs is gonna hurt the series haha
i dunno why but when i heard you still take the damage what if they had like one character who just goes: "yeah and what so life is just a disposable resource we should use to further our own goals. it is s´nothing more than a meaningless therm for the time between non existence and the end...." and just like a 5 minute monologue over the meaninglessness of life to instantly snap back to but you still take the damage. someone should make a abridged out of that
#yestest honestly i always wanted you to buy a 10 master pack when you rank up like from silver to gold because the problem with masochist is that past a certain point it becomes impossible
#yestest They are just Arby's giftcards. Also, that last duel still has me scratching my head.
#notest , suffering is part of the challenge
#yestest and once you really start building up a collection, I do suggest looking at making other decks, especially when you just hit a rollover in the season so there's less punish to the climb.
#yestest some helps good, just dont want it to go into full, like, 'oh I can open all packs and build my deck an craft cards' as it loses the masochist angle
#yestest yah i dont think it would do much but hey... it would give you a chance to get something usable...
#yestest it’s unlikely that it has a significant impact
#YESTEST #BANMAXC for good measures
I'm in favor of new rules to keep things interesting. Maybe something regarding the secret packs or even sacrificing cards.
Yestest you’re only getting Arbys gift cards anyway…
yestest. It's more of the same pack you were getting anyway. It's basically another duel or two worth of packs, so go for it
#yestest It’s not big enough of a boost to ruin the spirit of the challenge, but it’s still pretty helpful.
Hopefully you get some good cards from those packs.
#Yestest with a twist? As in, if you fail the test, that's it. That's all the packs you get 😈
#yestest I agree that stalling is boring, plus tests are funny when it's not me doing them
#yestest hell yeah do I approve you getting more options as time goes on. I really want to see you be able to lock in a real strategy, piles of garbage are funny the first 3 duels, but like, unless you pull like a god, you're not going to have any sort of cohesive stragety, which gets boring, as that boils down the gameplan to "Hope I'm against a quadriplegic, or I'm dead"
#yestest Set yourself apart from other masochist series
#YESTEST BUT you need to do the tests live, or record them. If you fail you can't do it again until a new season!
Yestest to hardleg your way into the ranks of diamond, where few masochists have gone before... the legacy packs are basically garbage anyway, besides the barrier statues
1 minute release woo
#yestest Essentially just speeds up the challenge. Still the same chances to get cards as normal, just a few extra here or there.
I like the edits a lot more on this onrr
Mr Metal does good work.
#yestest I am enjoying the series and I don't want to see it stall out and possibly die because you can't get any cards worth their weight in digital cardboard.
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I would also like to see you do the tests, seems fun
14:13 you use double hooking to discard the dragon to summon it back, not saying that's good or anything just saying that you don't need another way of getting to the grave it is indeed only a 2 card combo.
#yestest Take the test on stream, take all the tests you can on stream.
#yestest honestly i dont think thats enough
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Plus, it would be nice to see the bike mate instead of Rescue Rabbit all the time.
#yestest and do it on-camera so we can laugh at you when you get a question wrong 😛
#yestest the Legacy packs can be good but you need a lot of them, also you might have to change your deck to complete the challenges