Yes, I like. I like that he's the opposite of a douchebag about it as well. My grandpa made planes, and he pretends to be no nonsense as a method to better position himself to intimidate people (usually for no good reason).
He's painfully English. Representing us well. No thrills, no fluff. (Edit: this comment has got more traction than anticipated, just relax when you comment, remember, no one cares.)
"...above the wing... Because it's very strong, the structure, however, if there's a fire, you're sitting on top of fuel tanks.". So have fun picking seats on your next flight.
Ben Smith Bro that’s so interesting about planes and where to sit. Even if you think you found a safer seat whether it’s in the front, middle, back, there’s always another type of crash that can make that seat worse to be in
The approach I take when considering any concern about flying is... no matter what I personally do, no matter where I sit, if this plane crashes, i'm dead. So why worry?
@@alastairtrasler-brown8197 The worst case scenario in a plane is a crash. The second worse case scenario is surviving the crash because now you have to deal with probably several serious injuries, pain, maybe fire, maybe water, whiplash if it was a bad crash, and a whole shitload of paperwork if you don't eventually die from environmental factors. I dont want my plane to crash, but if it does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ its been a good run lads
@@Salvador_but_he_plays_gd I believe, he called the crash itself very realistic, indeed the most realistic, but he subtracted for the fairly unrealistic aftermath.
A good friend of mine died in an airplane crash a few months ago. As devastating as it was to watch those scenes, him saying multiple times that these things end quickly or the people go unconscious rapidly was actually weirdly comforting. so thanks ig
I've read this man's book - highly, highly recommend. Kind of like here, he has a very no bullshit way of writing. This man has so much experience and knowledge.
@@spencerbrown3875 I can't remember and I can't find it on Google which makes me massively doubt myself! I guess it's possible that he was just so heavily quoted, or that he co-wrote it, or something. I picked it up for £2 at Farnborough museum about 4-5 years ago and it was brilliant. Passed it onto dad to read. I wish Moss would look at this thread and tell us! In the meantime, let me see if I can find it.
@@KeithApp I don't think he wrote it. The book is about aircraft investigations and it's quite old. He is interviewed in the book A LOT, about every single crash. It's basically just interviews with him. I got it at Farnborough Air Science Trust and have since given it away. It's killing me that I can't remember. I tried searching for "Aircrash investigation" but I'm just getting the ones that the tv shows were on. I need to spend a bug chunk of time and dive deep until I find it.
Ok so the books that I got at Farnborough were: - Christine Negroni: The Crash Detectives: Investigating the World’s Most Mysterious Air Disasters - David Owen: Air Accident Investigation - Nicholas Faith: Black Box: Inside the World's Worst Air Crashes I'll try figuring out which one of these was the one with loads of his input.
The in-flight incident in the movie Flight is supposed to be based on Alaska Airlines Flight 261 which crashed in the Pacific in 2000. In the Alaska incident a failed jackscrew in the empennage jammed the pitch trim mechanism and eventually deflected to full downward trim (before ultimately separating from the airframe). In a last ditch attempt to save the aircraft the crew flew it inverted so the pitch down trim was pitch up. The efforts ultimately failed but they did have the aircraft stable in altitude for a short time.
The CVR tape of that crash is just heartbreaking, because that crew fought the airplane heroically all the way to the end. Sadly, the broken jackscrew, caused by shoddy maintenance habits, was an event no crew could overcome.
@jodycwilliams I seem to recall the Alaskan was in a very steep inverted dive. The inverted scene in the film was much more level and I believe much more stress inducing.
I always find that clip from Knowing very funny. Why the hell is Nicholas Cage shouting at a burning survivor and looked disappointed that he gets ignored?
@@AnonEyeMouse No he's there if I remember correctly. His son has the premonitions and writes down dates and locations and he starts to notice all his son's writings predict the tragedies.
I only watched one of the Final Destination movies and that was enough for me. It's so easy to see how unrealistic the deaths are. If they *are* realistic, the chance is one in million that it would happen to you. Get me a *real* horror movie, please!
9:21 "what happens next is not so realistic" Nah I can totally see Nick Cage just casually shouting hey hey at someone on fire then ignoring them and running off again
And the best bit soon after when he reaches through high flames for someone who is dying, then walks off to do something else without even his sleeves singed let alone his hand flesh.
@@camward9293 Tbh if you look at all these people who drive by an accident, drive slower to make a photo or just watch like an idiot and than drive off without helping/calling for help.... Doesn't seen so unrealistic anymore 😂
A friend of mine was on a flight from Africa to America. Mid flight the plane dropped. He said the fall made his whole face shift and he was about to pass out. So it’s kind of welcoming to know the individuals would pass out before experiencing that kind of horror.
I loved the difference in perspective. When a professional pilot reviewed this scenes from "flight" she said "yes, dropping fuel in this case was right and, yes, going upside down would also help keep the plain stable in this case" but the guy that works with plain crashes thinks this is all wrong. Depending on your specialization you can see the same thing and reach opposed conclusions
It can be a perspective thing. Pilots (at least while they are flying) react to what their instruments tell them. Air crash investigators examines the bigger picture beyond the aircraft itself.
2 passanger planes have been inverted but still everybody died, this man knows what hes talkin about bc he has picked the crap up after the planes crash.
Yosuru Shi The idea of inverting the plane in the movie and how they would have done it actually came from the black box recording of a crash where this happened - I believe they were flying over the Pacific to Canada. Now it is also true that the plane crashed while it was inverted and that the plane is not designed to play that way
It's all to do with the design of the wing that gives you the lift and the angle of attack to aid the lift. Airflow goes slower under the wing and faster over the top for the density of air ratio and that's why they always try to take of in to the wind. If inverted they lose all that design flow quickly and fall out of the sky, just like stalling a wing, by doing too tight a turn in flight.
He's used for a few of Air Disaster episodes from the Smithsonian Channel. The youtube channel Wonder has bunch of the episodes uploaded, plus a channel called mayday air investigation.
Dude I get you. This has been a long rabbit hole I’ve gone down. Just watching these kinds of reaction videos lol. At least they’re interesting and informative!
My father ditched off the coast of Burma in a Wellington Mk2 in 1943. Because it was made basically of wood and canvas , it floated for more than 5 minutes, giving them plenty of time to get out, inflate the dingies and paddle away, five miles to land. Avoiding the Japanese patrols for the next two weeks was the hard part.
Interesting that one of the more realistic ones, is Fight Club, where the entire crash is just a figment of the character's imagination - which would give a plausible excuse for any inaccuracies XD
00:32 Final Destination (2000) 01:51 World War Z (2013) 03:07 Non-Stop (2014) 04:15 Fight Club (1999) 05:11 Die Hard 2 (1990) 06:22 Flight (2012) 09:00 Knowing (2009) 09:57 Sully (2016) 11:49 The Aviator (2004) 13:11 The Dark Knight Rises (2012) 14:01 Alive (1993) 16:18 Unbroken (2014)
Lee C. You have no idea who Trump is fighting against, or else you wouldn’t care if he throws insults at people who deserve it and far far worse. You’ll find out soon enough though.
he would've been trained to be like this as most people when dealing with things this dangerous are taught to stay calm and remain logical and methodical so they can think about how to solve the problem. Then there's also the fact that he must've seen some really horrific things in his career and so is very desensitized and silly hollywood movies wouldn't effect him in the least
Steve, Jim Weatherley and I were talking about you this morning, recalling our time working with you and the investigations we were involved in. Should you ever see this know your are remembered with great fondness and respect. Best wishes, Andy Brierley, RAE Photographic Dept.
I’ve actually met Steve moss before, due to the fact my granddad was an air accident investigator, and I went to the farmbrough branch for the 50 year anniversary
CSI here. It’s how you cope with distressing incidents. If you get sad you’re not being strong for the families. You have a job to do and it’s everyday life for you.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Your talking about the Cargo door incident? The one that ripped out a few rows of seats and a large whole in the fuselage?
7:33 Alaska Airlines Flight 261 flew inverted as they had problems with the elevators being stuck, causing the same problem in the movie. They did not make it to an airport and eventually crashed in the ocean. The fault was the elevator jackscrew was not properly maintained. So while not likely to happen, it had actually happened before.
Not like it did in the film though. They were troubleshooting the issue for more than an hour before they lost the stabilator completely, forcing them to attempt to maintain altitude by going inverted. I suggest listening to the CVR and ATC transcripts of the event. They were so close to figuring it out, but only airplanes with a high wing or a midline wing can glide inverted. They were basically pitching up into the terrain if that makes sense. Terrible accident, and Alaska Airlines only fatal accident. I have an instructor who flies as a first officer for them.
@@lemonator8813 Sadly an accident that resulted from the FAA allowing Alaska to extend the maintenance intervals on their MD fleet which lead to the situation where an improperely checked and lubricated jack screw nut assembly sheared off in flight. Alaska took the blame, but the real culprits were behind a desk in Washington oblivious to their poor decision making.
@@darreng745 And they wonder why there is a massive shortage of pilots following their terrible decision to make becoming an airline pilot almost impossible without going into 6 figures of debt following the Colgan accident. It's like these people have no idea how aviation works.
@@darreng745 Congratulations Clint Eastwood. Blame the government even if it’s not their fault. No, the aircraft manufacturer allowed them to extend the interval. They also we’re not lubricating the jacks grow properly. And in addition. The last time the screw was inspected. It was in poor shape, and was recommended for a replacement. But the airline decided not to replace it. Or to inspect it sooner. So remember while you’re busy, blaming everybody else but the corporations who actually caused the problem nothing gets fixed. What’s your answer get rid of the FAA? Why don’t you ask Boeing how that worked for the 737 Max. They did most of the work without the FAA oversight. While lying to the FAA. How many billions of that cost them? And how many sales did they lose to airbus over it? The problem was Alaska airlines maintenance.
The beginning of this video cracks me up for some reason, I just love how they're showing him an intense plane crash and he's just staring at it like "damn, really hate Thursdays man".
The Dark Knight Rises scene is definitely bombastic for the sake of the film, but Nolan's commitment to doing as much stuff for real and not VFX is what makes it work.
You can tell in the way this man speaks and his affect that he knows tragedy and death and understands it in a way that most people never could. This kind of more depressing than interesting because he’s dealing with the loss of life.
You can assume that from his profession, but he speaks completely normally for a man of his time. It certainly shouldn't be depressing, you may want to see a psychiatrist.
Yeah, as I'm sure he knows, the flying inverted part of that film is loosely based off Alaska 261, which suffered an irrecoverable loss of pitch control caused by a jackscrew failing from improper maintenance. The two highly experience pilots attempted to even fly the plane inverted (and did somewhat successfully) until it pitched down and ploughed into the sea. All 88 souls lost.
They didn’t actually fly inverted intentionally or otherwise until the death dive, otherwise you got it. For those who aren’t familiar with the accident or the DC-9/MD-80 series, the aircraft has rear mounted engines, and which necessitates the wings be mounted further back, this causes the aircraft to not tolerate imbalance well. The DC-9/MD-80 overcame this with a jackscrew in the horizontal stabilizer in order to very slightly adjust the overall angle of the entire stabilizer in response to certain weight conditions. Front heavy? Adjust. Rear heavy? Adjust. The jackscrew on flight 261 received inadequate maintenance, and malfunctioned in flight, the threads on the jackscrew then all broke off and the aircraft was then uncontrollable. Elevate controls did nothing as the stabilizer they were mounted to was just flapping in the wind essentially, it may have been jammed upward but the effect was the same, they had no control of it and they crashed in the pacific from 20 thousand ft.
i saw another video where an ex fighter pilot (currently a line pilot) said that it is possible to do a barrell with a commercial plane but only at high altitude and it would be really slow
Really enjoying this. I did want to note that (very sadly and tragically) the Flight scene was loosely based upon an Alaskan Airline crash. A mechanical screw that controlled the elevators was first jammed then stripped. And in fact the crew did fly that plane inverted shortly before crashing into the ocean. On the cockpit voice recorder the crew mentions being inverted. So in a terrifying sense some of that had traces of reality to it. As much as I hate to credit that movie.
I just figured this guy has decades of investigations, has been interviewed dozens of times for documentaries (he does not sound as worn out and depressed in Air Disasters than he does here) and is just thinking "Is this what my life is like now?"
Flight was based on a combination of Alaska Air 261 and Southern Airways 242. Alaska had the broken Jack screw, and they did end up briefly flying inverted over the Pacific Ocean, but that roll was unrecoverable. Southern 242 is where the hail (extreme water ingestion) and landing in a field in the SE United States. The Flight Airplane was an MD-83. Alaska 261 was an MD-83, and Southern 242 was a DC-9, meaning both aircraft are of the same certificated airframe derivations.
At first I was like "what the hell, this is such a sensitivity issue to just talk about ", but this person was so professional about this and talked only business, respect to this person and job he does
You don't want people "tip-toeing" around the subject when it's about investigating the reasons of a plane-crash. You want people how stay focused on the topic at hand. This man is of the highest level of professionalism.
Finally a realistic assessment regarding Hollywood produced aircraft disaster movies! I learned a lot today, and I loved this man's blunt honesty and acerbic choice of words!
You lose consciousness during decompression... you get it back once the air is back... so below 10K. It means you wake up just as you are about to hit the ground... and chances are the impact wouldn't kill you outright. Most passengers would survive the initial impact (unless they have brain trauma) and die from bleeding out or fire as they have broken legs or spines and can't get out.
Stephen Moss: So this sequence of people getting sucked out of the plane while it disintegrates would actually be much worse and much faster in real life.
I like him ☺ he has such a kind, comforting aura about him. He the kind of grandfather anyone would be lucky to have. ☺. I could seriously sit and listen to his stories all day. He'd certainly not be boring! My paternal grandparents hated us because our mother had us and my maternal grandparents didn't bother with us. He's awesome. I give him a 15/10. 🌟
On the movie flight, he talks about flying inverted is unlikely because he didn't think the airframe would support it. But that's exactly what happened in the real life event that inspired the movie.
10:14 “they actually fire birds at it with a specified weight and speed” Lol all I picture is a dude in a lab coat, throwing everything at the turbine from pheasants to flamingos. 😆
Yes, I watched a whole other video about that, and as the other commenter said they usually use turkeys. They test the windscreens that way, too. They had a bunch of failures on one test; they were putting holes straight through - and they realized that the frozen birds ought to be thawed out prior to testing.
@@jdraven0890 yep I had a colleague years ago who had worked in that industry and one time the bird wasn't fully thawed and went straight through the windshield they were testing.
Fun Fact: Volèe Airlines Flight 180 From: Final Destination (2000 & 2011) is based off the incident on long island of Trans World Airlines Flight 800 but of course the sequences of the break up was different, SouthJetAir Flight 227 From: Flight (2012) is based on the incident of Alaska Airlines Flight 261 and both are pretty similar both nose dive without warning both aircrafts rolled upside down to recover and of course both crashed, And I guess most of the movie crashes are pretty most based on real events or not I'm not sure I haven't watched most of the movies Oh and of course we all know this one, Sully: Miracle on the Hudson (2016) as the name tells you it's basically a movie about The miracle on the Hudson where are US Airways A320 lost both engines after a bird strike and the pilots wasted time polling through checklists and by the time they are right the plane has lost too much speed so they decided to land at the Hudson River and luckily no fatalities The most famous emergency Landing on water in. History
👏🏻 Mr. Stephen Moss 👏🏻 Great video. I enjoyed watching it and learning from the perspective of an actual expert. He was candid 😁 but in a classy way. I've always been a fan of watching the series "air crash investigations". Looking forward to more amazing content like this. 😘
7:50 Alaska air 261. It’s actually so similar with the elevator issues, the flying inverted, and how they try to kick the rudder once the plane is out of the dive, you’d have to think it was modeled after that crash
It was. And flying it inverted - no matter how difficult or unlikely - was actually the only plausible way in the simulator to try to bring the aircraft under some control. The pilots actually did invert the real 261 but just ran out of room.
Yeah that’s the by product of going wings level but it’s just not sustainable. I have a motion rig for my sim racing content but also have a weird fascination with crash investigations. I still don’t see how they did it - needless to say I never once got remotely close to wings level let alone out of the dive. You’d basically have to be already rudder hard over or some type of runaway stab . Then have the utter balls to flip her. Then pray to whoever your god is the structure holds up. Ted Thompson was about as experienced as they come so it isn’t shocking he nearly got it worked out but unfortunately with the Jack screw failure, he wouldn’t have been able to land regardless. Still great airmanship
What a professional, very proper. Wow the knowledge and information this man has is amazing. Just the facts nothing more nothing less. A true investigator. Spot on with his reviews.
Apparently Hughes was flying the XF-11 himself because he didn’t want to endanger any test pilots or something (I did a quick skim through of the incident report) I mistook it for a fighter too, specifically I thought it was the prototype of the P-38. The XF-11 was actually a much larger single pilot reconnaissance aircraft. The controls weren’t quite that simple, but were fairly so, and oddly the plane’s wheels did roll across a roof ripping up tiles and causing internal damage. Weird, but the crash appears to have been reasonably accurate to the story, though I haven’t watched to movie to see the whole incident.
Thats correct. Except that the XF-11 was meant to be a 2 seater later on if it was used in action. The second airman was supposed to take care of navigation, photografy/filming ect. He would be sitting diagonaly behind the pilot, hence the large cockpit and canopy. I never heard that Hughes crashed it, but may be I missed that.
No no! This investigator is either fake or senile. That crash sequence in the aviator was **exactly** how it went. Its a 10/10 as they even depicted how Hughes for whatever reason sent his right engines propellers to reverse pitch, even the landing gear running across the roof entirely happened and you can still find the same damage to the house in actual investigation photos. Id also like to add that he’s depicted pilots as if their by the book when In reality situations can get out of hand easily. At least he understands unbroken.
I think some of the longer crash sequences are to simulate how long it feels to those that are able to survive. Also, there's a lot going on in the moment, so they're trying to give the audience time to recognize & process what they're seeing.
Very interesting! About the Hughes XF-11: it was a reconnaissance plane, quite a bit larger than fighters of that era. In pictures, the cockpit really does look pretty roomy. There are photos of Hughes in the cockpit wearing a shirt and a hat, but that doesn't mean he flew it like that of course.
He made ALOT of assumptions against the aviator when the crash sequence was captured to a T in regards to injury, sequence, and damage For a investigator hes making tons of assumptions
The first scene from Final Destination was based on the TWA 800 crash, which was allegedly caused by an electrical failure which caused a spark to ignite fuel vapour. The plane broke up in the air and was may have been how the Final Destination depicted it (without all the sparks and whatnot). Reports say the plane climbed vertically for a short period as it lost control, before nose diving and breaking up. The force of decompression and extreme de-acceleration actually caused some passengers to be decapitated immediately. Must have been truly terrifying to anyone who was still conscious (likely at the back of the plane) until the plane eventually hit the Atlantic Ocean.
Yes it was VERY weird to me that he was saying he'd never heard of anything like that! It's one of the most well known aviation accidents.
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@@sandpiperrHe only did say, that if electrical failure occure, it would look different (no fireballs inside the cabin but smoke). He never heard of sparks and explosions inside the cabin caused by electrical failure. He said not, that he never heard from a crash caused by electrical failure.
Seem to recall that almost every body they recovered had severe whiplash injuries from the explosion. Those injuries were strong enough to have killed them instantly. As he also said, the rapid decompression (explosion ripping it in half, not just a small bullet hole etc) at altitude knocks everyone out.
@ There was also an explosion in the cockpit of a plane at Cairo airport, due to wiring inside the co-pilot's emergency oxygen getting statically charged & causing a spark in that oxygen rich environment. Fire got super hot & caused a hole in the hull. No-one died, cause the plane was still on the ground & air bridge still attached, so they evacuated quickly, but they have theorised as to what would happen if the same incident occurred while in flight - and it's what happened to MH370, with MH370 being the same make of plane, still waiting to have a service to have that known fault repaired. Fire would have been extinguished really quickly & no more explosions though, as soon as the fire burnt through the hull, the outside air immediately would have put it out (while also sending everyone unconscious from the depressurisation, starting with the cockpit crew who's oxygen supply was compromised)
It was pre prepared with extra wiring that was removed in post production......using cgi but yes the stunt was not cgi.....he gave it a decent score tho
@@BradiKal61 i mean we havent had any zombies irl so let the creators make the zombies however they want, the zombies saw the sick people as zombies already thats why i thinn
@@smileyface4939 The problem is that the movie is called world war z. World war Z was already a novel with its own take on the zombies that the movie completely ignores. Calling it stupid is two fold because one it makes no sense with the “scientific” take the movie was trying to go for in its investigation. It’s also stupid for the fact that the actual grounded take on zombies was tossed out the window so Brad Pitt could play Brad Pitt in a zombie movie.
@@cryamistellimek9184 World War Z is an awful book though, complete with juvenile writing and character development, and neverending instances of shoddy illogical plot devices. The movie isn not good, but I can't blame them for taking many liberties with the production and story. "Grounded take on zombies" is kind of oxymoronic in itself, although I get what you mean. I do enjoy the overall setting Brooks created, but it's really nothing that hasn't been depicted in previous zombie films regarding their physiology and behavior. The human element is probably the weakest part of the entire book. It surpasses the inevitable irrationality of humans in a situation like that and does a bodyslam of contradicting stupidity, especially in how the humans eventually succeed in fighting back.
@@FuttBuckerson Regardless of your thoughts on the book, the movie didn’t “take a few liberties.” As you put it. The movie has nothing in common with the book and only used it to sell tickets by name. My meaning of a “grounded” take is how the situation progressed, even if you don’t agree with it. The movie of world war Z is a complete mess of a plot.
I would have loved the Sully part to be a little longer and more detailed but other than that this is a great video. Edited to say this guy is lovely and very comforting.
Excellent job!!! Thanks!!! What he did, analize the movies airplanes scenes, is something I use to do, but I always recive a " come on, don't talk and just watch". I was an AMT and I am most like Mr Stephen. Again, Excellent!
I am a longtime aviation writer. My most vivid memory of my first major crash scene is of a firefighter walking by carrying a human arm with a watch still on the wrist.
@@TheJmore Well, my other beat at that time was covering homicides, so I have a rich trove of things I'd prefer to unsee in my old age. But, as the cliche goes, nobody put a gun to my head.
My friend James’s granny lived in Lockerbie in 1988 and she had 3 passengers of the Pan-am flight still in their seats in her garden. Two were mangled but one was a young woman who was virtually intact and looked like she was asleep
@@thomasbell7033 oh 100% James said she was haunted for the rest of her life. Somehow it was the ‘sleeping’ woman who was vivid in her memory more than the destroyed bodies.
So, the Fight Club airline scene was one of the most accurate. BUT, that wasn’t a crash that happened - it was how Edward Norton THOUGHT it would happen. So, Edward Norton’s imagination is more accurate than “actual” Hollywood plane crashes. 😁
„The average person living in the United States has a 1 in 102 chance of dying in a car crash, compared to a 1 in 205,552 chance of dying as a passenger on an airplane. This means that you are more than 2,000 times more likely to die in a car than on a plane.“ Enough said.
God, wouldn't that be terrifying. There is hull breach, the cabin depressurized and you fall unconscious, and when you wake up you're free falling, tumbling through the air and you don't know whats going on ._.
The aircraft Howard Hughes was in did have a large cockpit. It was a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft intended for very long duration missions, pilot comfort was an important factor
Actually in regards to what he said about Flight, there was an Alaska Airlines flight that this movie is loosely based off. The Alaska Airlines flight experienced a jammed stabilizer and at one point the aircraft was rolled inverted in a desperate attempt to keep it from crashing. Unfortunately the plane crashed off the coast of California, but technically inverted flight of an airliner could be possible with the smaller jets.
Well yeah thast how you have those Red Bull competitions where they do all kind of maneuvers because they are so nimble. The point he is making, a huge, multi ton aircraft filled with 100 people inside, their cargo and catering, of course it can invert but it cant keep a straight line because of that and because the physics would make the plane go down instead of up. That is why the belly of the plane is flat and when it flys an aircraft is never straight but always the nose is up about 15 degrees. An inverted plane depending on the speed and wind would fly but it would very quickly go into a nose dive after a few seconds.
Yes the Alaskan flight did go upside down but was still plummeting towards the ground so wouldn't have been hardly any wing loading on it. If it flew level upside down the wings probably would have snapped off
There have been a few pilots of these larger planes say that it might be possible to do, but not at that low of an altitude. If you had a lot of altitude you might be able to pull it off but that low you would most certainly lose altitude and crash into the ground. And it would take longer to roll it over since they are designed NOT to do that. So while it was on its side trying to roll it would just knife edge and drop altitude like crazy. It won't just flip over like a fighter jet or acrobatics plane. Most seem pretty confident the structure would hold up to it though.
Paul Mohr it actually also was apparently recorded in a MD-80 during one of the test flights a pilot was successfully able to complete two barrel rolls. Even though AA261 was a complete loss I’m surprised he didn’t mention either. He sounded like the movie was based of complete fantasy and not 1) an actual plane that crashed with a plane that is known to have experienced some level of attempt to fly inverted before crashing. 2) another pilot that successfully flew a plane at SOME level of inversion in 1955. Just my opinion ofc. :)
My dad has been picking apart crashes and other aviation scenes since I was a kid, his expertise is fixed wing. After the time I spent on military helicopters, I find myself doing the same thing with rotor wing scenes. This guy is like the English version of my dad.
Public service announcement for anyone with a fear of flying stupid enough to click this video (like me): I used to fly cross-country pretty regularly and would be on edge pretty much the whole time, especially when we hit turbulence over the Rockies. It wasn't full-blown terror, and I knew my fear was irrational, but it still bothered me. Then I found an online fear of flying course by a pilot named Captain Stacey, and he did such a great job breaking down all the specific reasons flying is so safe, and afterwards I felt much, much better. And no, I'm not being paid by him or anything like that. It was just a really good course and I figure a lot of people watching this video would appreciate it.
Producer: "it's a Nicholas Cage movie." Mr. Moss: "That doesn't always bode well does it." HAHAHA!! Straight out the gate he went directly for the jugular! LOL This guy's legit!
I used to love listening to this gentleman talk on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday along with John Cox. Neither over dramatised things, and spoke a lot of sense.
He was not aware of the fact, that the Uruguay Fairchild that crashed on the Andies in 1972 indeed made a soft landing, sliding down the mountain side for hundreds of meters, before coming to stop. It never broke to pieces. This is why the initial number of survivors was so high, 34 persons out of 45 passengers and crew. They sheltered inside the fuselage for the 72 days, in diminishing numbers, of course.
@@sandpiperrbased on what extend? Same kind of aircraft, similar start of the fire? Exact copy of the fire? Its rather insignificant to mention the fact of scene being based on something, when the scene itself isnt realistic dont you think?
That wasnt his point, he pointed out that the plane sliding down on snow and jump long way wasnt realistic. Keep in mind that in the scene its also already broken apart, meaning that the structural integrity is already compromised and there is no way it survives jump like that without collapsing completely.
@@Kuutti_originalHe mentions that the electrical system causing explosions would be unrealistic. However in the real accident an electrical problem caused a massive explosion which destroyed the plane so that seems pretty relevant to me.
I really like his no nonsense and matter-of-fact attitude.
Yes, I like. I like that he's the opposite of a douchebag about it as well. My grandpa made planes, and he pretends to be no nonsense as a method to better position himself to intimidate people (usually for no good reason).
It fits his job i guess
I initially read that last word as "altitude"
Aircraft safety is written in blood, you need to be matter-of-fact and dispassionate to deal with this kind of job, or you'll go crazy
It's sort of how most British men his age are. Dying breed unfortunately
He's painfully English. Representing us well. No thrills, no fluff. (Edit: this comment has got more traction than anticipated, just relax when you comment, remember, no one cares.)
5:19. That haha cracks me up.
That’s why we love the Brits!
No emotion.
Huh ???
He was working in my town, big up Farnborough.
"...above the wing... Because it's very strong, the structure, however, if there's a fire, you're sitting on top of fuel tanks.". So have fun picking seats on your next flight.
Ben Smith Bro that’s so interesting about planes and where to sit. Even if you think you found a safer seat whether it’s in the front, middle, back, there’s always another type of crash that can make that seat worse to be in
The approach I take when considering any concern about flying is... no matter what I personally do, no matter where I sit, if this plane crashes, i'm dead. So why worry?
Imagine being afraid of flying when your way more likely to die on the drive to the airport....
I always book windows seats near the rear. Best place for taking pictures :D
@@alastairtrasler-brown8197 The worst case scenario in a plane is a crash. The second worse case scenario is surviving the crash because now you have to deal with probably several serious injuries, pain, maybe fire, maybe water, whiplash if it was a bad crash, and a whole shitload of paperwork if you don't eventually die from environmental factors. I dont want my plane to crash, but if it does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ its been a good run lads
Worst crash where everyone dies....”yeah, thats the most realistic.”
Great.
I think it would have crashed quicker, but for the movie it had to clear the road ;)
He gave that a 8/10
The last one was a 9/10
@@Salvador_but_he_plays_gd I believe, he called the crash itself very realistic, indeed the most realistic, but he subtracted for the fairly unrealistic aftermath.
tbf crashes aren't common but when they happen they're usually pretty bad so he's not wrong
@@nunyabusiness4682 That is not true, by far most airliner accidents are luckily survived by everyone.
I love that he doesn’t offer an explanation for his ratings. He’s just like “6. I said what I said.”
Man: *is on fire in agonising pain*
Nick cage: "Hey!"
i just read that like a lego commercial. XD
A PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO BARE LAND, IN LEGO CITY
BUILD THE RESCUE HELICOPTER
AND OFF TO THE RESCUE!
THE NEW EMERGENCY COLLECTION FROM LEGO CITY
Each sets sold separately
Her: "It's a Nicolas cage movie"
Him: "Well that doesn't bode well does it?"
Yeah, I hit like pretty much immediately just for that.
We watched the same video as you
@@kylegregory2876 he's writing it out for all the blind people watching this
/s
That's high praise.
@@kylegregory2876 and your mom too a little bit
A good friend of mine died in an airplane crash a few months ago. As devastating as it was to watch those scenes, him saying multiple times that these things end quickly or the people go unconscious rapidly was actually weirdly comforting. so thanks ig
I’m very sorry for your loss. Condolences.
Which crash?
Which plane crash?
aorry for your loss :(
@@shadymcnasty5920 the May of 15 2020 the 737 incident were the plane crashed on take off I think
I've read this man's book - highly, highly recommend. Kind of like here, he has a very no bullshit way of writing. This man has so much experience and knowledge.
What’s the book called?
@@spencerbrown3875 I can't remember and I can't find it on Google which makes me massively doubt myself! I guess it's possible that he was just so heavily quoted, or that he co-wrote it, or something. I picked it up for £2 at Farnborough museum about 4-5 years ago and it was brilliant. Passed it onto dad to read. I wish Moss would look at this thread and tell us! In the meantime, let me see if I can find it.
@@KeithApp I don't think he wrote it. The book is about aircraft investigations and it's quite old. He is interviewed in the book A LOT, about every single crash. It's basically just interviews with him. I got it at Farnborough Air Science Trust and have since given it away. It's killing me that I can't remember. I tried searching for "Aircrash investigation" but I'm just getting the ones that the tv shows were on. I need to spend a bug chunk of time and dive deep until I find it.
Ok so the books that I got at Farnborough were:
- Christine Negroni: The Crash Detectives: Investigating the World’s Most Mysterious Air Disasters
- David Owen: Air Accident Investigation
- Nicholas Faith: Black Box: Inside the World's Worst Air Crashes
I'll try figuring out which one of these was the one with loads of his input.
@@silverlining7112 thanks for sharing these titles. I’m literally going to pick up all of these from the library :D
The in-flight incident in the movie Flight is supposed to be based on Alaska Airlines Flight 261 which crashed in the Pacific in 2000. In the Alaska incident a failed jackscrew in the empennage jammed the pitch trim mechanism and eventually deflected to full downward trim (before ultimately separating from the airframe). In a last ditch attempt to save the aircraft the crew flew it inverted so the pitch down trim was pitch up. The efforts ultimately failed but they did have the aircraft stable in altitude for a short time.
Thank you, came here for this comment!
And it did not break up by being inverted. It is odd this man seems to have forgotten this fairly well known accident.
The CVR tape of that crash is just heartbreaking, because that crew fought the airplane heroically all the way to the end. Sadly, the broken jackscrew, caused by shoddy maintenance habits, was
an event no crew could overcome.
@jodycwilliams in his defense he's AAIB not NTSB. However, the Alaska Airlines accident would hardly go unnoticed among those in the aviation world.
@jodycwilliams I seem to recall the Alaskan was in a very steep inverted dive. The inverted scene in the film was much more level and I believe much more stress inducing.
I always find that clip from Knowing very funny. Why the hell is Nicholas Cage shouting at a burning survivor and looked disappointed that he gets ignored?
typingbacon not to mention he then puts his invulnerable arm into the fire without any harm to him haha
It's a premonition isn't it? He isn't really there?
@@AnonEyeMouse No he's there if I remember correctly. His son has the premonitions and writes down dates and locations and he starts to notice all his son's writings predict the tragedies.
@@AnonEyeMouse you're thinking about another Nic Cage movie called Next
@@stuv1996 it wasn't his son's writings. They numbers were found in a time capsule at the kids school I believe.
Here solely for reassurance that the Final Destination crash isn't realistic
Its bases on TWA800. Exploded from electrical short circuit in fuel tank
spchalupa but that’s completely different
Agreed. There’s no way you’d see such decompression effects at low altitude.
I only watched one of the Final Destination movies and that was enough for me. It's so easy to see how unrealistic the deaths are. If they *are* realistic, the chance is one in million that it would happen to you. Get me a *real* horror movie, please!
@@DavidHenderson1 Final Destination films were never meant to be serious horror films and were completely self-aware of how ridiculous they were.
9:21 "what happens next is not so realistic"
Nah I can totally see Nick Cage just casually shouting hey hey at someone on fire then ignoring them and running off again
And the best bit soon after when he reaches through high flames for someone who is dying, then walks off to do something else without even his sleeves singed let alone his hand flesh.
I know right, like he doesn't even try to chase them down and put them out. He's just like, "HEY!......he ignored me. Well I did all I can do."
@@camward9293 Tbh if you look at all these people who drive by an accident, drive slower to make a photo or just watch like an idiot and than drive off without helping/calling for help.... Doesn't seen so unrealistic anymore 😂
A friend of mine was on a flight from Africa to America. Mid flight the plane dropped. He said the fall made his whole face shift and he was about to pass out. So it’s kind of welcoming to know the individuals would pass out before experiencing that kind of horror.
You experience negative Gs that can make you pass out, but the G load decreases as a steady heading is achieved, which could wake you back up.
I loved the difference in perspective. When a professional pilot reviewed this scenes from "flight" she said "yes, dropping fuel in this case was right and, yes, going upside down would also help keep the plain stable in this case" but the guy that works with plain crashes thinks this is all wrong. Depending on your specialization you can see the same thing and reach opposed conclusions
It can be a perspective thing. Pilots (at least while they are flying) react to what their instruments tell them. Air crash investigators examines the bigger picture beyond the aircraft itself.
Also, he knows, no1 has ever successfully done it. If the plane flies inverted, ur gonna die.
@@dfuher968 i think several pilots did it. The pilot in the video explains why she thinks this would actually help in that scenario too.
You may think that's a good idea but the guy that picks up what's left of you thinks it's not.
2 passanger planes have been inverted but still everybody died, this man knows what hes talkin about bc he has picked the crap up after the planes crash.
Flying inverted has historically happened - twice actually, however both times the airplane crashed and everyone died
Brian you had us in the first half
Yosuru Shi The idea of inverting the plane in the movie and how they would have done it actually came from the black box recording of a crash where this happened - I believe they were flying over the Pacific to Canada.
Now it is also true that the plane crashed while it was inverted and that the plane is not designed to play that way
@@brian2440 you mean the expert, on this vid, is actually correct then?
It's all to do with the design of the wing that gives you the lift and the angle of attack to aid the lift. Airflow goes slower under the wing and faster over the top for the density of air ratio and that's why they always try to take of in to the wind. If inverted they lose all that design flow quickly and fall out of the sky, just like stalling a wing, by doing too tight a turn in flight.
@@JonBowe wouldn't that also give the aircraft "lift" to the ground as in... accelerate the fall?
I’d love to hear this man talk for hours about aviation safety
Go to Air Force Safety School and bring a pillow
No. You wouldn't.
Me too, one of my favorite subjects. When I retire I want to be an Air Crash Investigator
That's what she said!
He's used for a few of Air Disaster episodes from the Smithsonian Channel. The youtube channel Wonder has bunch of the episodes uploaded, plus a channel called mayday air investigation.
Welcome to another episode of: “Where the quarantine has lead me today”
You're welcome 😂
Dude I get you. This has been a long rabbit hole I’ve gone down. Just watching these kinds of reaction videos lol. At least they’re interesting and informative!
😂🤣☠☠☠☠
Lol I've been watching expert reaction videos for like 2 years now.
ldc
My father ditched off the coast of Burma in a Wellington Mk2 in 1943. Because it was made basically of wood and canvas , it floated for more than 5 minutes, giving them plenty of time to get out, inflate the dingies and paddle away, five miles to land. Avoiding the Japanese patrols for the next two weeks was the hard part.
Omg
The Wellington's geodetic steel fuselage gave it incredible strength. Probably why your dad's bomber didn't break up on impact.
Wow what an incredible story
I need you to make this into a movie
"It's a Nicholas Cage movie." "That doesn't always bode well, does it..?". Sips tea. Dry as a bone - perfect.
Interesting that one of the more realistic ones, is Fight Club, where the entire crash is just a figment of the character's imagination - which would give a plausible excuse for any inaccuracies XD
That's the power of Fincher.
@@RyanrMCMahon The character in question IS a crash investigator.
But not of airplanes. He works for an auto company
Mr. David Fincher for you.
Also,he seemed to more or less agree with The Dark Night Rises scene,and that's Mr. Christopher Nolan.
@@Lazyassindigo ok
00:32 Final Destination (2000)
01:51 World War Z (2013)
03:07 Non-Stop (2014)
04:15 Fight Club (1999)
05:11 Die Hard 2 (1990)
06:22 Flight (2012)
09:00 Knowing (2009)
09:57 Sully (2016)
11:49 The Aviator (2004)
13:11 The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
14:01 Alive (1993)
16:18 Unbroken (2014)
Doing the lords work. I wish he did War of the Worlds from 2003, since the set of that crash was on the LA universal studios tour for years.
@Wolf Elkan not all heroes wear capes
where's Fearless? Great movie.
Ok. Now do real ex president reacts to Cory in the house.
Not gonna lie, now i really want an Obama reacts to Corey
11/10 would nominate again
Crono Necronis Obama ain’t cool anymore. Dudes a straight up criminal
@@_notofthisearth We'll get Trump on it soon enough, he'd like seeing another person turning the WH into a comedy act as well
Lee C. You have no idea who Trump is fighting against, or else you wouldn’t care if he throws insults at people who deserve it and far far worse. You’ll find out soon enough though.
Really glad he talked about Sully and how the film vilified the NTSB (because they thought every film needs a villain).
That scene enraged me when I saw the movie in the theater.
Factual, no frills, good explanation. You need more people like him.
This mans apathy is actually kind of comforting weirdly
I see it more as calm professionalism. His profession requires a by-the-numbers attitude.
Apathy is being uninterested; he is merely being disinterested.
Not apathy. A professional view on various movie scenes stated calmly and clearly. I love his manner.
he would've been trained to be like this as most people when dealing with things this dangerous are taught to stay calm and remain logical and methodical so they can think about how to solve the problem. Then there's also the fact that he must've seen some really horrific things in his career and so is very desensitized and silly hollywood movies wouldn't effect him in the least
It’s like when a parent tells you calmly that monsters aren’t real except he’s telling you monsters are real
Insider: "It's a Nicholas Cage movie."
Him: "That doesn't always bode well does it?"
Me: "I like this one."
Knowing is actually a great movie though
Good one, Thor!
@@thewinner7382 no
Next video: Real step mom breaks down porno scenes.
Yes pleaaseeee
I’d do it if they want a cougars break down 😉
Oof
@@myjeanification you a freak huh?
HAHHA omfg great comment.
Steve, Jim Weatherley and I were talking about you this morning, recalling our time working with you and the investigations we were involved in. Should you ever see this know your are remembered with great fondness and respect. Best wishes, Andy Brierley, RAE Photographic Dept.
I’m British and I’m obsessed with how fed up he is with movie plane scenes. Adore him ❤️❤️
I’ve actually met Steve moss before, due to the fact my granddad was an air accident investigator, and I went to the farmbrough branch for the 50 year anniversary
Hey Josh, what was your grandfather’s name? I knew Steve well and possibly worked with your grandfather too.
@@1967AJB his name is David Miller he retired a while ago but he worked there for a long time
@@joshgilbert5376
Sorry, the name doesn’t ring any bells with me, but I’m sure he had some great stories.
@@joshgilbert5376 was he interviewed for mayday ( national geographic ) series?
@@marjattakolari521 yes he was
The sorrow and compassion in this man is compelling and heartbreaking.
Wdym?
Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes
Ok
It's like an ER nurse or cop... They become desensitized to what most people would consider horrendous due to seeing it regularly.
CSI here. It’s how you cope with distressing incidents. If you get sad you’re not being strong for the families. You have a job to do and it’s everyday life for you.
when the side of the plane errupted and the people got sucked out and he said "well nothing wrong with that, that could happen"
i didnt felt that
HAS happened. Correction.
Well you’re in the air and there’s a hole in your plane... what you gunna do? Fly to safety haha
Well it has happened its the reason why we have inspections after so many flight hours.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Your talking about the Cargo door incident? The one that ripped out a few rows of seats and a large whole in the fuselage?
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 United Airlines 811
7:33
Alaska Airlines Flight 261 flew inverted as they had problems with the elevators being stuck, causing the same problem in the movie. They did not make it to an airport and eventually crashed in the ocean. The fault was the elevator jackscrew was not properly maintained. So while not likely to happen, it had actually happened before.
Not like it did in the film though. They were troubleshooting the issue for more than an hour before they lost the stabilator completely, forcing them to attempt to maintain altitude by going inverted.
I suggest listening to the CVR and ATC transcripts of the event.
They were so close to figuring it out, but only airplanes with a high wing or a midline wing can glide inverted. They were basically pitching up into the terrain if that makes sense.
Terrible accident, and Alaska Airlines only fatal accident.
I have an instructor who flies as a first officer for them.
@@lemonator8813 Sadly an accident that resulted from the FAA allowing Alaska to extend the maintenance intervals on their MD fleet which lead to the situation where an improperely checked and lubricated jack screw nut assembly sheared off in flight.
Alaska took the blame, but the real culprits were behind a desk in Washington oblivious to their poor decision making.
@@darreng745 And they wonder why there is a massive shortage of pilots following their terrible decision to make becoming an airline pilot almost impossible without going into 6 figures of debt following the Colgan accident.
It's like these people have no idea how aviation works.
@@darreng745
Congratulations Clint Eastwood. Blame the government even if it’s not their fault.
No, the aircraft manufacturer allowed them to extend the interval. They also we’re not lubricating the jacks grow properly. And in addition. The last time the screw was inspected. It was in poor shape, and was recommended for a replacement. But the airline decided not to replace it.
Or to inspect it sooner.
So remember while you’re busy, blaming everybody else but the corporations who actually caused the problem nothing gets fixed. What’s your answer get rid of the FAA?
Why don’t you ask Boeing how that worked for the 737 Max.
They did most of the work without the FAA oversight. While lying to the FAA. How many billions of that cost them?
And how many sales did they lose to airbus over it?
The problem was Alaska airlines maintenance.
this investigator is an absolute legend among plane crashes and investigations, love the man, if there was a plane crash, i’d assign him to it anyday
The beginning of this video cracks me up for some reason, I just love how they're showing him an intense plane crash and he's just staring at it like "damn, really hate Thursdays man".
how can you hate Friday eve?
he's so desensitised to it. He has to be, he strikes me as someone with a lot of empathy - he just can't let it cloud his judgement
This poor guy looks like he’s seen some stuff during his years working 🙁
God bless! This dude investigated Lockerbie. How terrible that must’ve been.
I flew on that Pan Am Aircraft in 1983 coming to the US for my Brother's Funeral. I was stationed in England in the USAF/USAFE at RAF Upper Heyford.
James Alexander what happened?
@@robbyg6265 Don't you have Google? I mean, it's not like we don't have internet or a lot of time on our hands...
Candice ecidnaC not like we are in quarantine stuck in our homes
@@robbyg6265 plane went boom thanks to so nice terrorists.
The Dark Knight Rises scene is definitely bombastic for the sake of the film, but Nolan's commitment to doing as much stuff for real and not VFX is what makes it work.
This guy is so cold and has a real "F you that's the facts" attitude.
.......I LOVE IT
You can tell in the way this man speaks and his affect that he knows tragedy and death and understands it in a way that most people never could. This kind of more depressing than interesting because he’s dealing with the loss of life.
He's wise and professional indeed
On another episode of reading into things way too deeply
@@mohamedbenlashher4510 still theres something to it.
Well way to make everyone who found the video interesting seem like an asshole
You can assume that from his profession, but he speaks completely normally for a man of his time. It certainly shouldn't be depressing, you may want to see a psychiatrist.
Yeah, as I'm sure he knows, the flying inverted part of that film is loosely based off Alaska 261, which suffered an irrecoverable loss of pitch control caused by a jackscrew failing from improper maintenance. The two highly experience pilots attempted to even fly the plane inverted (and did somewhat successfully) until it pitched down and ploughed into the sea. All 88 souls lost.
They didn’t actually fly inverted intentionally or otherwise until the death dive, otherwise you got it. For those who aren’t familiar with the accident or the DC-9/MD-80 series, the aircraft has rear mounted engines, and which necessitates the wings be mounted further back, this causes the aircraft to not tolerate imbalance well. The DC-9/MD-80 overcame this with a jackscrew in the horizontal stabilizer in order to very slightly adjust the overall angle of the entire stabilizer in response to certain weight conditions. Front heavy? Adjust. Rear heavy? Adjust. The jackscrew on flight 261 received inadequate maintenance, and malfunctioned in flight, the threads on the jackscrew then all broke off and the aircraft was then uncontrollable. Elevate controls did nothing as the stabilizer they were mounted to was just flapping in the wind essentially, it may have been jammed upward but the effect was the same, they had no control of it and they crashed in the pacific from 20 thousand ft.
@@Wozrop Lord that sounds terrifying...
Exactly the Alaska flight did it
i saw another video where an ex fighter pilot (currently a line pilot) said that it is possible to do a barrell with a commercial plane but only at high altitude and it would be really slow
@@dogsandyoga1743 It's been a nightmare of mine ever since I read about it. Just what an incredibly terrifying final few minutes... (sniffle)
His knowledge is really making this entertaining. To the point breakdown is just icing on the cake.
He is a wealth of knowledge. I loved hearing all of the little details about how areas of different parts of the plane are strengthened.
Really enjoying this. I did want to note that (very sadly and tragically) the Flight scene was loosely based upon an Alaskan Airline crash. A mechanical screw that controlled the elevators was first jammed then stripped. And in fact the crew did fly that plane inverted shortly before crashing into the ocean. On the cockpit voice recorder the crew mentions being inverted.
So in a terrifying sense some of that had traces of reality to it. As much as I hate to credit that movie.
He sounds emotionally drained and I just wanna say if he needs a hug my arms are already open
It’s just an inevitable consequence of living in Britain.
He's English of course hes emotionally drained
Anyone would be emotionally drained after having to watch a Nic Cage film and review it for realism.
@@rockstarJDP LORD OF WAR, good sir!
I just figured this guy has decades of investigations, has been interviewed dozens of times for documentaries (he does not sound as worn out and depressed in Air Disasters than he does here) and is just thinking "Is this what my life is like now?"
*looks at a crash in real life*
This guy: "Yeah I think I'll give this one an 8/10"
Lol
Next video: Time traveller reviews time travel scenes in movies.
🤣🤣🤣
These type comments have jumped the shark
@@SWalker71 jumping sharks review movies jumping the shark?
They will film that video six weeks ago.
@@SWalker71 Shark reviews shark films. "That looks fake as Farq".
This man is a legend!! He’s been on many crashes and he’s still here to teach about them. Legend!
Flight was based on a combination of Alaska Air 261 and Southern Airways 242. Alaska had the broken Jack screw, and they did end up briefly flying inverted over the Pacific Ocean, but that roll was unrecoverable. Southern 242 is where the hail (extreme water ingestion) and landing in a field in the SE United States. The Flight Airplane was an MD-83. Alaska 261 was an MD-83, and Southern 242 was a DC-9, meaning both aircraft are of the same certificated airframe derivations.
At first I was like "what the hell, this is such a sensitivity issue to just talk about ", but this person was so professional about this and talked only business, respect to this person and job he does
You don't want people "tip-toeing" around the subject when it's about investigating the reasons of a plane-crash.
You want people how stay focused on the topic at hand.
This man is of the highest level of professionalism.
Trying to figure out why death and accidents are sensitive issues :/
@@corataylor2205 Using it to get views is sensitive
@@Lecintel I think YOU'RE the sensitive one for being offended about a video topic. Everyone dies, and planes crash. Is what it is.
@@corataylor2205 Ok
Thought he was going to offer the interviewer a Werther's Original at some point!
I would like him to read me the Harry Potter series while I sip on Earl Grey tea
Darjeeling is better in my opinion. 😁
Simple green
PG Tips 🤟🏻
computer, tea earl grey hot
@@gobineko8121 where im from Simple Green is an eco friendly kitchen cleanser and im guessing its the same for you
"This would never happen, it's completely unrealistic... 6/10"
Finally a realistic assessment regarding Hollywood produced aircraft disaster movies! I learned a lot today, and I loved this man's blunt honesty and acerbic choice of words!
at least we will all lose consciousness quickly and not know what’s up even after coming to
Challenger astronauts did not lose consciousness
@@SWalker71 Uhm, that's because Challenger exploded, not decompressed, that's a big difference.
You lose consciousness during decompression... you get it back once the air is back... so below 10K. It means you wake up just as you are about to hit the ground... and chances are the impact wouldn't kill you outright. Most passengers would survive the initial impact (unless they have brain trauma) and die from bleeding out or fire as they have broken legs or spines and can't get out.
AnonEyeMouse yeah but he said that when you wake you’re still a bit out of it and not quite sure what is happening. i’m cool w that
AnonEyeMouse you’ll drown on your own blood rather quickly so it’s a quick death no matter how you look at it.
This doesn't contain a scene from Airplane!
Surely you can’t be serious
@@howiegoesbang900 He is serious, and don't call him Shirley.
Plane didn't crash
10/10
*insert quote from airplane*
Stephen Moss: So this sequence of people getting sucked out of the plane while it disintegrates would actually be much worse and much faster in real life.
You bet. See the Chinese woman who got eaten by an escalator. Only took a few seconds. No gore.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Talking about the case where she was carrying her child and threw her/him safety right before she was sucked down?
@@Kuutti_original probably
@@emily.g.929 yeah, sounds exactly like that one. Sad one too
I like him ☺ he has such a kind, comforting aura about him. He the kind of grandfather anyone would be lucky to have. ☺. I could seriously sit and listen to his stories all day. He'd certainly not be boring!
My paternal grandparents hated us because our mother had us and my maternal grandparents didn't bother with us.
He's awesome. I give him a 15/10. 🌟
It’s so hard to understand what he’s saying. His vocal fry is unbearable
On the movie flight, he talks about flying inverted is unlikely because he didn't think the airframe would support it. But that's exactly what happened in the real life event that inspired the movie.
And the airframe didn't support it. Well, it wouldn't, only it hit the sea seconds later
After watching tons of Air Crash Investigation and seeing Steve Moss, this is a very welcome sight.
Worst aircraft disaster that they missed was Jurassic park 3's ALAN!!
ALAN!!!! :
"Clearly, velociraptors can't talk and aren't allowed on the passenger deck of an aircraft. So I'm giving it a 4/10."
10:14 “they actually fire birds at it with a specified weight and speed”
Lol all I picture is a dude in a lab coat, throwing everything at the turbine from pheasants to flamingos. 😆
Usually it's commercially available chicken or turkey carcass XD
Yes, I watched a whole other video about that, and as the other commenter said they usually use turkeys. They test the windscreens that way, too. They had a bunch of failures on one test; they were putting holes straight through - and they realized that the frozen birds ought to be thawed out prior to testing.
It’s Q from James Bond movies 😜
There's something really funny about the idea of being a company that sells frozen poultry and having airline engineers being one of your big clients.
@@jdraven0890 yep I had a colleague years ago who had worked in that industry and one time the bird wasn't fully thawed and went straight through the windshield they were testing.
Fun Fact: Volèe Airlines Flight 180 From: Final Destination (2000 & 2011) is based off the incident on long island of Trans World Airlines Flight 800 but of course the sequences of the break up was different,
SouthJetAir Flight 227 From: Flight (2012) is based on the incident of Alaska Airlines Flight 261 and both are pretty similar both nose dive without warning both aircrafts rolled upside down to recover and of course both crashed,
And I guess most of the movie crashes are pretty most based on real events or not
I'm not sure I haven't watched most of the movies
Oh and of course we all know this one, Sully: Miracle on the Hudson (2016) as the name tells you it's basically a movie about The miracle on the Hudson where are US Airways A320 lost both engines after a bird strike and the pilots wasted time polling through checklists and by the time they are right the plane has lost too much speed so they decided to land at the Hudson River and luckily no fatalities
The most famous emergency Landing on water in. History
Me: Has Flight Anxiety
RUclips: Wanna watch a video about plane crashes?
Me: Sure
I love this kind of no bullshit person. When you can get them to laugh you know its genuine
Waiting for this type of video I've watched every video like this keep making these type of video's.
Love Comics a please would be nice
@@bungeegumxmugeegnub4815 no
👏🏻 Mr. Stephen Moss 👏🏻
Great video. I enjoyed watching it and learning from the perspective of an actual expert. He was candid 😁 but in a classy way. I've always been a fan of watching the series "air crash investigations".
Looking forward to more amazing content like this. 😘
7:50 Alaska air 261. It’s actually so similar with the elevator issues, the flying inverted, and how they try to kick the rudder once the plane is out of the dive, you’d have to think it was modeled after that crash
It was. And flying it inverted - no matter how difficult or unlikely - was actually the only plausible way in the simulator to try to bring the aircraft under some control. The pilots actually did invert the real 261 but just ran out of room.
Yeah that’s the by product of going wings level but it’s just not sustainable. I have a motion rig for my sim racing content but also have a weird fascination with crash investigations. I still don’t see how they did it - needless to say I never once got remotely close to wings level let alone out of the dive. You’d basically have to be already rudder hard over or some type of runaway stab . Then have the utter balls to flip her. Then pray to whoever your god is the structure holds up. Ted Thompson was about as experienced as they come so it isn’t shocking he nearly got it worked out but unfortunately with the Jack screw failure, he wouldn’t have been able to land regardless. Still great airmanship
What a professional, very proper. Wow the knowledge and information this man has is amazing. Just the facts nothing more nothing less. A true investigator. Spot on with his reviews.
This is awesome, I love the insight he provides into reality! He's very generous with his ratings as well :P
Apparently Hughes was flying the XF-11 himself because he didn’t want to endanger any test pilots or something (I did a quick skim through of the incident report)
I mistook it for a fighter too, specifically I thought it was the prototype of the P-38. The XF-11 was actually a much larger single pilot reconnaissance aircraft.
The controls weren’t quite that simple, but were fairly so, and oddly the plane’s wheels did roll across a roof ripping up tiles and causing internal damage.
Weird, but the crash appears to have been reasonably accurate to the story, though I haven’t watched to movie to see the whole incident.
Thats correct. Except that the XF-11 was meant to be a 2 seater later on if it was used in action. The second airman was supposed to take care of navigation, photografy/filming ect. He would be sitting diagonaly behind the pilot, hence the large cockpit and canopy. I never heard that Hughes crashed it, but may be I missed that.
No no! This investigator is either fake or senile. That crash sequence in the aviator was **exactly** how it went. Its a 10/10 as they even depicted how Hughes for whatever reason sent his right engines propellers to reverse pitch, even the landing gear running across the roof entirely happened and you can still find the same damage to the house in actual investigation photos. Id also like to add that he’s depicted pilots as if their by the book when In reality situations can get out of hand easily.
At least he understands unbroken.
Considering what he said I think he gave the movies rather high scores...
I think some of the longer crash sequences are to simulate how long it feels to those that are able to survive. Also, there's a lot going on in the moment, so they're trying to give the audience time to recognize & process what they're seeing.
0:06 dude is just chill watching plane crush like 👁👄👁.
Very interesting! About the Hughes XF-11: it was a reconnaissance plane, quite a bit larger than fighters of that era. In pictures, the cockpit really does look pretty roomy. There are photos of Hughes in the cockpit wearing a shirt and a hat, but that doesn't mean he flew it like that of course.
He made ALOT of assumptions against the aviator when the crash sequence was captured to a T in regards to injury, sequence, and damage
For a investigator hes making tons of assumptions
The first scene from Final Destination was based on the TWA 800 crash, which was allegedly caused by an electrical failure which caused a spark to ignite fuel vapour. The plane broke up in the air and was may have been how the Final Destination depicted it (without all the sparks and whatnot). Reports say the plane climbed vertically for a short period as it lost control, before nose diving and breaking up. The force of decompression and extreme de-acceleration actually caused some passengers to be decapitated immediately. Must have been truly terrifying to anyone who was still conscious (likely at the back of the plane) until the plane eventually hit the Atlantic Ocean.
I was about to say, FD took some liberties it seems compared to what really happened (suck it missile theorists) on TWA 800.
Yes it was VERY weird to me that he was saying he'd never heard of anything like that! It's one of the most well known aviation accidents.
@@sandpiperrHe only did say, that if electrical failure occure, it would look different (no fireballs inside the cabin but smoke). He never heard of sparks and explosions inside the cabin caused by electrical failure. He said not, that he never heard from a crash caused by electrical failure.
Seem to recall that almost every body they recovered had severe whiplash injuries from the explosion. Those injuries were strong enough to have killed them instantly.
As he also said, the rapid decompression (explosion ripping it in half, not just a small bullet hole etc) at altitude knocks everyone out.
@ There was also an explosion in the cockpit of a plane at Cairo airport, due to wiring inside the co-pilot's emergency oxygen getting statically charged & causing a spark in that oxygen rich environment. Fire got super hot & caused a hole in the hull. No-one died, cause the plane was still on the ground & air bridge still attached, so they evacuated quickly, but they have theorised as to what would happen if the same incident occurred while in flight - and it's what happened to MH370, with MH370 being the same make of plane, still waiting to have a service to have that known fault repaired. Fire would have been extinguished really quickly & no more explosions though, as soon as the fire burnt through the hull, the outside air immediately would have put it out (while also sending everyone unconscious from the depressurisation, starting with the cockpit crew who's oxygen supply was compromised)
I know it says “in movies” but you should’ve asked him about Lost, s1 ep1 and s3 ep1.
I love listening to experts talk about what they know like this. Some my favorite content!
“I’ve never heard of crashes being the byproduct of electrical errors”
*TWA 800: allow me to introduce myself*
I can already tell what the replies will be. Keep your conspiracy theories to yourselves and just please enjoy the joke.
As someone with a severe fear of flying I somehow managed to find this video comforting.
The Dark Knight Rises scene wasn't CGI, that's why it got praised :)
He knows, that's why he gave it a 6 and not a 5
It was pre prepared with extra wiring that was removed in post production......using cgi but yes the stunt was not cgi.....he gave it a decent score tho
He proved once again how visually stunning and accurate World War Z was...
Zombies that can smell your fatal illness from 50 feet way and ignore you to go after a healthy person?
Dumbest movie EVER!
@@BradiKal61 i mean we havent had any zombies irl so let the creators make the zombies however they want, the zombies saw the sick people as zombies already thats why i thinn
@@smileyface4939 The problem is that the movie is called world war z. World war Z was already a novel with its own take on the zombies that the movie completely ignores. Calling it stupid is two fold because one it makes no sense with the “scientific” take the movie was trying to go for in its investigation. It’s also stupid for the fact that the actual grounded take on zombies was tossed out the window so Brad Pitt could play Brad Pitt in a zombie movie.
@@cryamistellimek9184 World War Z is an awful book though, complete with juvenile writing and character development, and neverending instances of shoddy illogical plot devices. The movie isn not good, but I can't blame them for taking many liberties with the production and story. "Grounded take on zombies" is kind of oxymoronic in itself, although I get what you mean. I do enjoy the overall setting Brooks created, but it's really nothing that hasn't been depicted in previous zombie films regarding their physiology and behavior. The human element is probably the weakest part of the entire book. It surpasses the inevitable irrationality of humans in a situation like that and does a bodyslam of contradicting stupidity, especially in how the humans eventually succeed in fighting back.
@@FuttBuckerson Regardless of your thoughts on the book, the movie didn’t “take a few liberties.” As you put it. The movie has nothing in common with the book and only used it to sell tickets by name. My meaning of a “grounded” take is how the situation progressed, even if you don’t agree with it. The movie of world war Z is a complete mess of a plot.
I would have loved the Sully part to be a little longer and more detailed but other than that this is a great video. Edited to say this guy is lovely and very comforting.
Excellent job!!! Thanks!!! What he did, analize the movies airplanes scenes, is something I use to do, but I always recive a " come on, don't talk and just watch". I was an AMT and I am most like Mr Stephen. Again, Excellent!
Man I love how unimpressed he is in the beginning. It's awesome XD
I am a longtime aviation writer. My most vivid memory of my first major crash scene is of a firefighter walking by carrying a human arm with a watch still on the wrist.
Well that’s not an imagine you are likely to ever forget is it.
@@TheJmore Well, my other beat at that time was covering homicides, so I have a rich trove of things I'd prefer to unsee in my old age. But, as the cliche goes, nobody put a gun to my head.
My friend James’s granny lived in Lockerbie in 1988 and she had 3 passengers of the Pan-am flight still in their seats in her garden. Two were mangled but one was a young woman who was virtually intact and looked like she was asleep
@@gerardmackay8909 Now that's an image that will make a home in your psyche.
@@thomasbell7033 oh 100% James said she was haunted for the rest of her life. Somehow it was the ‘sleeping’ woman who was vivid in her memory more than the destroyed bodies.
So, the Fight Club airline scene was one of the most accurate. BUT, that wasn’t a crash that happened - it was how Edward Norton THOUGHT it would happen. So, Edward Norton’s imagination is more accurate than “actual” Hollywood plane crashes. 😁
„The average person living in the United States has a 1 in 102 chance of dying in a car crash, compared to a 1 in 205,552 chance of dying as a passenger on an airplane. This means that you are more than 2,000 times more likely to die in a car than on a plane.“
Enough said.
This man is very Informative
God, wouldn't that be terrifying. There is hull breach, the cabin depressurized and you fall unconscious, and when you wake up you're free falling, tumbling through the air and you don't know whats going on ._.
The aircraft Howard Hughes was in did have a large cockpit.
It was a high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft intended for very long duration missions, pilot comfort was an important factor
Actually in regards to what he said about Flight, there was an Alaska Airlines flight that this movie is loosely based off. The Alaska Airlines flight experienced a jammed stabilizer and at one point the aircraft was rolled inverted in a desperate attempt to keep it from crashing. Unfortunately the plane crashed off the coast of California, but technically inverted flight of an airliner could be possible with the smaller jets.
Well yeah thast how you have those Red Bull competitions where they do all kind of maneuvers because they are so nimble. The point he is making, a huge, multi ton aircraft filled with 100 people inside, their cargo and catering, of course it can invert but it cant keep a straight line because of that and because the physics would make the plane go down instead of up. That is why the belly of the plane is flat and when it flys an aircraft is never straight but always the nose is up about 15 degrees. An inverted plane depending on the speed and wind would fly but it would very quickly go into a nose dive after a few seconds.
WickedlNl also he questioned its structural integrity of that aircraft. Not some Alaskan air liner. I don’t know why
Yes the Alaskan flight did go upside down but was still plummeting towards the ground so wouldn't have been hardly any wing loading on it. If it flew level upside down the wings probably would have snapped off
There have been a few pilots of these larger planes say that it might be possible to do, but not at that low of an altitude. If you had a lot of altitude you might be able to pull it off but that low you would most certainly lose altitude and crash into the ground. And it would take longer to roll it over since they are designed NOT to do that. So while it was on its side trying to roll it would just knife edge and drop altitude like crazy. It won't just flip over like a fighter jet or acrobatics plane. Most seem pretty confident the structure would hold up to it though.
Paul Mohr it actually also was apparently recorded in a MD-80 during one of the test flights a pilot was successfully able to complete two barrel rolls.
Even though AA261 was a complete loss I’m surprised he didn’t mention either. He sounded like the movie was based of complete fantasy and not 1) an actual plane that crashed with a plane that is known to have experienced some level of attempt to fly inverted before crashing. 2) another pilot that successfully flew a plane at SOME level of inversion in 1955.
Just my opinion ofc. :)
My dad has been picking apart crashes and other aviation scenes since I was a kid, his expertise is fixed wing. After the time I spent on military helicopters, I find myself doing the same thing with rotor wing scenes. This guy is like the English version of my dad.
Public service announcement for anyone with a fear of flying stupid enough to click this video (like me): I used to fly cross-country pretty regularly and would be on edge pretty much the whole time, especially when we hit turbulence over the Rockies. It wasn't full-blown terror, and I knew my fear was irrational, but it still bothered me.
Then I found an online fear of flying course by a pilot named Captain Stacey, and he did such a great job breaking down all the specific reasons flying is so safe, and afterwards I felt much, much better.
And no, I'm not being paid by him or anything like that. It was just a really good course and I figure a lot of people watching this video would appreciate it.
Maybe my next flight won't be a haze of gin, tonic and oxycodone!
@@SarafinaSummers ahahaha I'm a rosé and xanax kinda guy
Producer: "it's a Nicholas Cage movie."
Mr. Moss: "That doesn't always bode well does it."
HAHAHA!! Straight out the gate he went directly for the jugular! LOL This guy's legit!
Then he sips tea 😂😂
"Its a Nicholas Cage movie"
"Well that doesn't bode well does it?"
Savage AF🤣🤣🤣🤣
I swear to god, you can pause aviator at any scene and it looks like a painting.
Jerry Bruckheimer may not know anything about physics or aviation engineering, but he certainly knows cinematography.
I used to love listening to this gentleman talk on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday along with John Cox.
Neither over dramatised things, and spoke a lot of sense.
He was not aware of the fact, that the Uruguay Fairchild that crashed on the Andies in 1972 indeed made a soft landing, sliding down the mountain side for hundreds of meters, before coming to stop. It never broke to pieces. This is why the initial number of survivors was so high, 34 persons out of 45 passengers and crew. They sheltered inside the fuselage for the 72 days, in diminishing numbers, of course.
He also, apparently, wasn't aware that the Final Destination flight was based on TWA 800.
Which is odd to me.
@@sandpiperrbased on what extend? Same kind of aircraft, similar start of the fire? Exact copy of the fire? Its rather insignificant to mention the fact of scene being based on something, when the scene itself isnt realistic dont you think?
That wasnt his point, he pointed out that the plane sliding down on snow and jump long way wasnt realistic. Keep in mind that in the scene its also already broken apart, meaning that the structural integrity is already compromised and there is no way it survives jump like that without collapsing completely.
@@Kuutti_originalHe mentions that the electrical system causing explosions would be unrealistic. However in the real accident an electrical problem caused a massive explosion which destroyed the plane so that seems pretty relevant to me.
@@sandpiperr based on several. Mainly AA191.