Consumer vs Professional Grade Ceramic Coatings : Is There A DIFFERENCE?
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- Consumer vs. Professional Grade Ceramic Coatings - Is There A DIFFERENCE? In this video, uncover the truth about ceramic coatings. More specifically consumer-grade ceramic coatings with their professional counterparts. Are they just fancy labels with different price tags, or is there a real difference in their chemistry, performance and durability?
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Pan, what now with the AvalonKing Armor Shield IX Max DIY ceramic coating
do i need access to a garage to apply a ceramic coating? and after i've applied it can it be kept outside during the curing period. If yes does the same apply to ceramic spray coatings from say turtle wax or meguiars?
A clarity on this would be extremely helpful. i'm doing a 2 step paint correction on my 11 year old vehicle and i;ve watched your polishing for beginners video and collected all the information required up until that, all i need is what conditions are needed to apply a sealent.
As a prosumer who is only applying coatings to my own vehicles (or occasionally doing coatings for family/friends/neighbors) and who has no intention of starting a business or buying insurance, I really like the idea of either filling out a form/having a discussion with a brand rep and/or signing a waiver in order to purchase a pro grade coating. I like Armour Detail Supply's approach, and I hope Yvan follows through and makes C6 available to consumers with a waiver. Another coating I've been looking at is CCI Advance, it is a pro-grade coating that is easy to use and they make it available to anyone. It is formulated quite differently than most coatings as it is a sediment suspension design with much less solvent (so they can pack more active ingredients in there). They also use much finer grade particle size so it can "fill" more of the voids in the paint surface.
Just like you, I would like to have access to every coating on the market. I can spend $500 on a polisher that will take the paint off my car if used wrong, why can't I buy any coating I want? I'm an engineer who designs 10-50 foot tall retaining walls all day, every day. I can read and understand instructions and I understand that there are risks to everything. If I make a mistake with a product and leave a high spot...that's on me...not the coating company. If I kill it with a chemical that it isn't compatible with, again that's on me. Give me the guidelines/instructions and I'm good to go.
Stay tuned.
@@diydetailofficial I look forward to it!
You mentioned Yvan's C6 coatings. Why not just use the DIY Detail coatings. Super easy to apply and 1 hr cure time. Who needs a coating that is tricky to apply and needs to be wet sanded to remove?
@@rooboy99 stronger chemical resistance, road salt resistance, better hydrophobics, self cleaning, etc. Install is supposed to be easy, just need to keep a more watchful eye for high spots.
Honestly I wouldn’t get any hopes up. I’m a detailer looking to get into ceramic coatings and previously spoke with c6 and they said that they’re only really targeting detailers with quite a bit of experience and suggested I just use their hydro lite. I’m just going to stick with roar as it seems like their coatings are pretty comparable and their rep seems like a helpful guy which is enough to sell me on it.
Would like to see you do a comparison of half the car pro, the other half consumer to see the real difference
This is what I was hoping for
Yes that would be cool , but a long term one
+2
Fantastic video as always. Thank you for addressing this.
I've used both and do have access to professional grade, training approved coatings. Like most things you apply on a substrate, like paint for instance, you get what you pay for and preparation is literally EVERYTHING. No magic bullet.
Amateur here in SoCal near the beach, I put Adams Advanced (little gold label glass bottle) on my Fiesta 2 years ago and it’s still going very strong in the places I applied it. I also tried the advanced spray on (gold label plastic spray bottle) the spray has since worn off, but the glass bottle is still going strong with super water beading still, and easy car washes. The areas that have worn off I now use different spray on products like the Turtle Wax minute wax.
(I work at a auto shop and we have a little community of car enthusiasts) and a local detail shop brought by a GMC Yukon in black with the CLS they had applied the year before, and the customer did all their own washes. This car was still looking so great, deep deep black with little to no signs of swirls, and still had plenty of resistance to things sticking to it. (PDR glue would not stick at all you could one pinky slide it off)
Thanks Pan for bringing me into the wash and detail world. 🤙
I can completely appreciate having different formulas, at different quality levels. Chevy made the Chevette and the Corvette, completely different vehicles, totally different performance, very different price, the similarity was, I could go and buy whichever I chose. I understand that the results will be totally dependant on what I do to prep and apply the coating. Even if it's hard to apply, it should be me that decides to undertake that if I want to. That being said, I have used coatings that I'm NOT certified to use, with excellent results. You made an excellent point that only very few people even care about detailing, so limiting that even further, to only make a product available to a specific subset that is "certified" seems somewhat silly. Even what Armour Detail Supply is doing, having to fill out some form, and provide a bunch of information, before they will allow me give them $$$ for their product is ridiculous. As a vendor, all you need is my credit card number. The "territories" are just dumb. What about the mobile detailers. If the customer lives outside the territory where the business is registered, they can't take the job? That's insane. Some of the warranty stipulations, just make the warranty itself not worth the paper it's written on. The "support" on the back end some companies offer should be something I can decide if I want to opt into, and pay for. Not get their certification just to be able to buy the product. Let's be honest for a minute, in at least some cases the actual job done by an enthusiast can be better than an actual pro. A detailing professional has to do their work to a price point, and time is very important. A skilled enthusiast doesn't care how much time it takes, or the effort involved, because they were doing what they love in the first place. It's an emotional experience, not a financial one. FWIW I consider myself as a prosumer. I do get paid to detail cars, but it is not my only, or even primary, source of income. BTW I did listen to the end, but don't do the hashtag thing.
Brands that make you go through a vetting process will probably never get me or my clients money simply because there are tons of reputable brands doing the same exact thing. Many of these “Pro Grade” coatings are made by the exact same manufacturer making the exact same formula for a “consumer” brand.
MSDS don’t lie. Check them before getting locked in with one of these brands.
That’s the problem with ceramic coatings. They are not “snake oil” but the companies that are gatekeeping their “pro grade” coatings might as well be “snake oil” salesmen. Genius marketing making the average consumer feel like they didn’t over pay but in reality we both know they did.
Iam the same way will never support another company that sell a “consumer and pro grade” products under the same company name. Speak up with your wallets and don’t support these companies.
Thank u for the demystifying this stuff. I never fell for the “only professional” coatings.
It’s my car after all
Hey Pam, love your video I am certified and I do see the difference on professional coatings and not professional coatings👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I did immediate paint correction on my black Tesla and applied Adam’s Advanced Graphene. It’s been going strong for 4 months. I believe the graphene line is a solid mix of quality and affordability. It’s also on sale on Amazon for $89 😮💨 edit: 2 hours left on the sale
Grabbed the kit on sale for 99. Seemed like a good deal to me!
Thank you for this wonderful discussion!
I want to know your thoughts on Meguiar's MB88 and there Ultimate Ceramic Coating Spray. The MB88 is there Pro level. Ultimate Ceramic Coating is there Spray ceramic. I thought about buying the Ultimate Ceramic Coating Spray. Would like your thoughts on both. Thanks much.
Absolutely agree with Pan that there are differences between the consumer grade and pro grade coatings. However, I do believe manufacturers deliberately create the pro grade and consumer grade for understandable marketing reasons and to be able to extract maximum value from the market . Professional detailers want to be able to offer a product that is called "pro-grade" in order to distinguish their offering from the DIY market. And their customers expect a better offering if they are paying a pro to apply it. So they will pay a premium. Also some DIY consumers will also seek out a pro-grade labelled product on the expectation that they can get a better result with that product and will be prepared to pay a premium for it. If the pro-grade product is indeed better, then the brand does well. if it is the same product, this is eventually discovered ... We see this behavior in many industries - you can buy consumer grade paint brushes or pro-grade. You can buy a DIY table saw or a pro-grade one.
I think people who pays close attention to this, may have also watched Chicago Auto Pros professional ceramic coating test and long term tests. Some performed better than others, even though a lot of them are certified installer-only, others failed just like "consumer" coatings. The key is really maintaining with a regular washing cadence or once in awhile perform a decon/restoration and putting on a topper.
Professional coatings tend to just be more durable, but are harder to apply, and come with warranties. The general consumers need to understand ceramic coatings are not a force field, either with a Pro or Consumer coating.
It's marketing. People who are professional marketing agents are following a formula that gains sales. 'Appealing to Ego' was the class, if I'm remembering correctly. Then follow it up by selling a training session with a nice piece of paper titled 'Certified Installer' ready for framing.
@@timkinley1779 Oh yes absolutely a lot of Marketing is involved too. The other trend I'm seeing is just slapping the word "Pro" on everything. Nature of the beast I guess.
The majority of people, including weekend warriors, do themselves a disservice when they incorrectly clean/decontaminate their vehicles. Their agressive approach does more to push contamination into the substrate than to properly clean and prepare it, which is what any coating needs to bond properly, full stop. The coating is one of many tools that a professional uses to get a quality result, not the point of the service. The point of the service is X to Y years of protection (within reason) and less frequent and agressive cleanings, which leads to years of a quality finish. Net/net, remind your clients they're paying for the technician's knowledge and experience that lead to the years of shine and protection, not the name on a bottle.
About the warranty specifically, I don't know that they all provide one. Or maybe that's just the detailer I went with. He's a certified Carpro installer and I got the professional grade coating on my car, and all he said is it's expected to last years but how many that is comes down to how well I take care of the coating. Basically what you said about washing, decon etc. When I looked up Carpro professional grade coatings I couldn't see any guaranteed time frames on their website, either. (Some people have criticised me for getting Carpro professional installed because in my country it's much more common to have detailers who don't tell you what product they use but will advertise "warranty packages", e.g. "2 year coating", "5 year coating" or "10 year coating". Of course, you pay loads more for the ones lasting longer. Personally I didn't like not knowing what product will be used.
@@thepassionofthegoose5472 Yeah the prep work is absolutely where most of the money is going (and rightfully so.)
I think that's why a lot of gimmick products that claim to do everything, sell in high volume to the average consumer. ie: F11 Top Coat.
#wow. Great video. Im with you on this one. I'm a pro-comsumer coating person. I love consumer grade coatings. Why? I'm having a blast doing it! I get great results from them. I don't worry about overhead and running a business, but really respect the folks that do. Especially the ones that try to help us out with detailing. Great people. Something tells me it would be a very difficult sell using just pro-level coatings. Almost everyone I know doesn't know what a ceramic coating is, and trying to get them to fork over even more money would be a tall order. I could be wrong.
Whatever the case, I'm having alot of fun and meeting some wonderful people along the way. Made some new friends installing coatings on their vehicles. Who would've thought that. Big wins for me Pan. Thank you so much.
I enjoy your videos and I enjoy your information. The more you know the better you are. Thank you Pan.👍
I'm so pissed I can't even detail in peace because I have such nosey neighbors they just don't get it I have my ear phones in want to be left alone but they still want to talk and chat. I just don't wanna be rude and tell them to leave me alone so I've been having to detail in my garage not ideal
Try using head phones. Retail and fast food employees wearing earphones while assisting customers is normalizing talking to people with earphones in.
yeah I might have to try that thanks
Also you can use a gas powered power washer or plug in something else loud like an air compressor 🤣
People like that you have to be rude or they won’t ever get the hint.
I'm certified carpro, love the products, but its hard to justify the 2 yrs to customers when they say others are 5 to 9 yrs only down side.
Just applied diy details 5 year coating, so easy to do
Thank you.
Thank you for recommending the Rag Company. Loving the products I’ve ordered.
Yes they are the best
Excellent review of the different coatings. Agreed pan, staying respectful is what it should be. Has u said this is our passion. And yes my neighbors think im crazy, especially when they see the polisher. 😁🇨🇦
Another great video and hit a lot of what I've felt for a while.. frustration with being denied access to pro coatings. Got a real chuckle in the beginning when Pan pointed out that few people are into this level of detail when it comes to cars..1% if that? "You're probably the only one on your block who cares"!! I love you, Pan! Grounded in reality. But true, it's our thing. That said, now everyone is in the ceramic coating game and things are changing. BTW, we can all forget about "warranty".. it aint happening. So, it's a 5 year coating and water isn't beading at 4 years 3 months? What do you want? Be the mayor of realville. Polish your car and apply a new coating. Yvan, the idea of a phone interview and signing a waiver for access to pro coatings would be fine with most of us. Seriously.. most of us car "nuts" who are going to spend over $100 on a coating are more likely to go through the labor to prep the paint and follow some instructions. High spots?? Awww, gotta break out the polisher or re-apply fresh coating..... not the end of the world. The only time I would have an issue is if a coating actually damaged my paint.. clear coat bubbling and peeling off.. and I've never heard of that happening so.. Come on guys, don't make it that hard for us to spend our hard earned money on your best coatings.
Pan have you heard of a brand called System X? I know a detailer who is a certified installer . Brand has a great reputation amongst detailers
Great insight. I took up detailing 5 years ago after watching your video on turtle wax ice. I do some pro jobs for clients as a side line. I’ve tried many ceramic coatings and am impressed at how easy they are becoming. I was vetted ( TOC supplies) I’m really impressed with armour detail and their approach. I would never go exclusive with a brand( their not paying me)
I usually go with DIY or Blue collar. Both are standing up great for my customers.
Pro detailer here, and I've used Gyeon, UK Quartz, and now a Fireball installer here in Hawaii....the pro coating Firball Silla notice longer lasting. I did 2 layers EVO MOHS, and topcoat....great for 6 months, bit still can't hold up against Firball so far.
Hawaii Oahu hard water, acid rain, and lots of salt in the air. FIRBALL SILLA, holds up 👍 great.
Really great video, Pan. Personally, I think the model of having certified pro-only products had far more utility 6+ years ago when the chemical technology wasn’t quite as advanced as it is now. At this point though, you’re spot on that it’s really not the best format.
Also, Armour has become one of my all-time favorite brands: Awesome products, great people, super supportive. I’m glad you’ve been highlighting them and giving them some extra air time. Appreciate you, my friend!
Thank you for taking the time it takes to try and farit out the truth and benefits of consumer, prosumer vs professional grades. Certification to install is clearly not an automatic knod that a product is better.
Let's not forget the "Industry Disrupting Cerakote Professional Ceramic Paint Coating" fiasco... Very, very unprofessional marketing and release. The follow-ups discussions and interviews, were both interesting and imbarracing.
What a great video Pan. You answered so many questions. I really like the fact that you are brand agnostic, this just adds to your credibility. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Jimbo!
Hey Pan - first of all: GREAT video! Good reasons anyway - but to stress out at first: we have to keep in mind that we're talking about a "luxory problem" for any customer. Especially here in Germany. Automated washes are way cheaper than a full detail anyway and - here you have so many regulations, that just forbid washing your car by hand at your house.
speaking for me - I am a "weekend warrior" but - I do it official as side job to my regular 100% job I am having. I am 10years now in the detailing business, so I'd say I have some experience in applying ceramic coatings. I am also part of the IDA as a certified detailer.
I started with diff. Brands like Geyon, Optimum Tec., CarPro, MaxProtect, GTechniq etc. I am even certified by some brands for their professional coatings. As you said there're pro's n cons in being certified.
My personal opinion on being certified is as follows: for a detailer you have to decide what you want and what you get. Does the certification pay off at the end or do you just want to collect the certificates on your "I love me wall" to impress yor customers? My personal experience here in Germany is, that 90% of the customers just don't give a dime for any kind of certificate when they go to a detailer. They mostly come with horrific and (ad infused) images / expectations on how long coatings last and what they're all good for, but only want to pay 250.-€ for a full detail with the "top notch" coating you offer. 🥱
I personally don't go through certification with brands, where I have to pay a 4 digit number of €uros - just to get into the process of the certification. The costs are just not worth it for my business. I'd have to raise my prices in levels where I will not have customers any more. Often you'll be bound to their line - or you'll be taken out of the "certified detailer map/list". Some even track your results on insta, fb or tictok or even worse - do fake calls ordering a specific treatment, just to see if your price matches the given "minimum" of the brand. If not you even may end up in court due to "breaking the rules of conformity".
I do NOT beleive in any promises made in ads of different brands, as long as I have not personally tested the coating(s) myself. So I only offer coatings to my customers that I know that work well and the brands promises are realizable to a 90% security.
Touching the "warranty" topic - I have made only positive experience with the brand I use, that offers the warranty for the coating. Other than that I always tell the customers, that there's NO warranty on the coating behaviour itself, due to the fact that after handing over the car to the customer I have absolutely NO IDEA HOW they treat their freshly coated vehicle. If they keep to the maintenance cycle and I see the car regulary to be able to tell the health of the coating - everything's fine. If not - I just can't help them due to the lack of knowledge how they treated their car - simple as that.
Thx again for this good and informative video!
My Ceramic Coating Maintenance Wash details are usually around $60 /$70. I am curious for a "pro coating' what the warranty maintenance wash visit cost is or are they free? (due to $1500-2000 price point)
Ours are $600.00. Comes with an application of Xpel Lite coating.
That's where I work part time.
At my house, I charge $125.00, and top with Optimum Hyper Seal.
Hey Pan! I love all your videos. Have you ever used System-x ceramic coatings? If so, what's your experience or recommendations about it? Thanks.
Great video. I am currently in the process of becoming a Carpro ‘Installer’ here in New Zealand. This video has been very informative 😉
Pan thank you for having the difficult conversation about coatings. When I first got back into detailing the coating world felt like a clique and you were either in or out. I was talking to my SEO person and he was telling me how many professional shops use DIY coatings for their consumers because their coatings are better than a lot of the professional only coatings. Phoenix EOD Kronos and Blue Collar 7 are also stout coatings anyone can buy which are better than some professional coatings out there. The Armour Detail coatings look stout and I believe Ethos is going to soon make their professional grade coating available. In my shop I sell warranties from one year, theee year, five year, and a lifetime warranty. C6 ceramics is my lifetime coating and they are amazing. Their product is outstanding along with their customer service. Like a Roar coating they cost more and are worth it.
If your a shop and you depend on the manufacturer to finance warranty claims then your customer service is terrible. I will first polish the car and then repost the car to support the warranty. Then I will contact the manufacturer just as a courtesy there may or may not be a problem.
Thank you for a wonderful video Pan and #coating
Two products I’d love to use are Carpro Professional and Gyeon CanCoat Pro but the companies act like you need decades of experience to use these.
#coating
Ive been using DIY and Blue Collar coatings. So easy to use. Why bother with these others that make you jump over hurdles and pay money for accreditations. Give me break. Ive spoken to detailers accredited with Gtechnic who'd rather use CSL than CSU due to CSU being a PITA to apply. They try and talk customers into going with CSL
Great insight to the difference between a professional and consumer ceramic coating , for me there are so many different ceramic coatings to buy we need videos that you make to show us what we are actually buying and is it worth it . From Carpro c quartz 3 to Gtechnig crystal serum it's a mind field out there and price wise as well matters .
If one bottle costs over £120 and one bottle is £60 i would be inclined to buy cheap knowing i still will get up to 2 years protection .
Still waiting for Cerakote to bring version 2 out and if it cures within 2 hours that will be the a game changer for everyone .
I've always been leery of these captive "certified installer" places. It turns places into captive shops because these agreements often have a non-compete type clause in these contracts. New, improved, cheaper, or better value products come along all the time. Why would a shop lock itself into an agreement like this and exclude the entire universe of better products? At the end of the day, if I'm paying for professional service, I don't care what they used. I only care about outcomes.
These agreements also have exclusionary criteria, and anti-competitive features. Such as you can't be a certified installer if there's another installer within X distance from you. Or you have to have a shop that meets specific criteria. Again, if the work is quality, I don't care if it's in someone's home garage, a rented space, or a full service shop with a fancy coffee maker in it. I just want the work done well.
Well said.
Carpro Uk 3.0 with SIC is all I offer my customers. But I’m not a certified installer. Hoping in a year when I apply they’ll let me become a certified installer. I’ve seen results with finest reserve that you can’t get out of a consumer coating.
Same here. UK 3.0 says 2 yrs but I've easily gotten 3 yrs with it with my clients that I regularly maintain often. I only use Reload 1-2x in a yr within the maintenance. UK 3.0 has been by far the best consumer grade coating I've used.
I put 3 coats of the previous version of Mohs and it lasted around 5 + years. Looking forward to using the current version on my current car as they claim you only need 1 coat.
#coating can you update us on Cerakote ? Thanks
Was there an apology, i may have mssed it
@@rooboy99 you mean about Cerakote ? Pan did a video with the CEO where he said the curing was a issue and they are changing the curing and will give more info on temperature and humidity required for it to work.
If curing does not react the right way the Cerakote will not bond and just wash out.
I was asking to know if they’re was any up to date info on the new curing and results so I could use the product.
I hope it answers your question ? And maybe pan will answer mine.
To my knowledge, they're still in the testing phase of the new version. And we are all hoping they get it right this time, so no rush. They said they'd send an e-mail out to everyone who had ordered the first version, once the new one becomes officially available. That's all I know for now.
@@PanTheOrganizer thanks for the answer ! I always find your videos interesting, hi from Montreal !!! It took a few months when I started to follow you in order to realise you lived in Mtl.
@@sharkiedoo just starting to follow Pan. VSL here! Didn't know he was from Mtl.
There is a difference but in reading many instructions for the pro grade stuff, the application is nearly the same. The one difference I usually see is that working time has a bit more flexibility in consumer grade. Take Gyeon for example. They literally tell you now in their pro coatings that you don't even need cross hatch, that you can apply in any pattern you wish. In my personal opinion, they do pro only so that their commercial clients stay with them and don't scream at them. It also allows them to continue to claim that their a professional brand. Btw yes id love to watch interviews with various certified installers, though i dont think they would be comfortable talking poorly about any aspect of what they use. #coating
Great channel. Definitely subscribed
Awesome, thank you! How did you discover my channel by the way?
Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on RUclips as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 145 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
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Ive spoke to many detailers and we’ve come to the conclusion that g tech v4, csl, v5 is probably one of the worst ones in average we get no more than 1 year
Meanwhile in my experience carpro uk 3.0 alone has lasted more than 3 years on my car
Interesting. As a painter, Gtechniq is the only coating we struggle to strip. Maybe that's just Ultra?
your view points and opinions in this video is a breath of fresh air, not just with detailing, but the business side as well. #coating
Thank you Pan for this. This topic was always on my mind when I started coating. I do understand that brands have to make money. So it is quite difficult to meet both prosumer and brand needs. I do believe that there should be a middle ground that would satisfy both sides and if the consumer wants to be certified it’s up to them at the end. My uncle owns a mk4 Supra and I’ve wanted to give him a strong and durable coating that’ll last him for a while. I ended up just giving him a 3 year coating due to me not having access to any professional grade coatings. I would love to try multiple prograde coatings but being certified in order to use it turns me off. I do respect brand businesses and have nothing against them I understand it’s a business at the end of the day. #coating
Great video, I don't know if you have one yet. But a potential idea do a video on what brands are customer, professional, and prosumer.
With all the jeeps and broncos out there. Can we the you tube watchers .. see a video on a coating for the plastics .. thank you
Big fan of Armour Detail Supply and their business model. Obviously helps that their products are top tier. The waiver idea for other companies is a great idea as well.
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Excellent video Pan! Very well researched and said.
The best business model for me a Weekend warrior is provide a very glossy and extreme hydrophobic coating that lasts one year only. I do not want a coating to last any longer, that’s why I only use Geon cancoat and Carpro lite. Not interested in coatings that are supposed to last years as they do not and bad for business 🤷🏻♂️❗️
#coating. Of course all the way to the end. I like these discussion videos. For me, maximum length doesn't matter as much because I tend to change cars after four years. I want the gloss and slickness more than anything.
The difference between the 2 is usually the pro coatings are much more of a pain to fix if you messed up afterwards.
You mentioned that there are a lot of bad ceramic coatings on the market. Without naming them, what would be a good way to identify them? I am looking at having this done on my car but I've noticed a lot of detailers use different products and I just want to make sure I'm spending my money on reputable products.
Tbh if you need curing lamps i’d say it is a pro coating. But if you can use it in a closed space it can be consumer grade, definitely if you can use it outside
Thanks for a very informative video as usual. I would certainly be interested in seeing a video on Gtechniq CSU. keep up the good work!
Pan…interested in a question….you could have produced your own line of products. Not easily done…but makes sense with your experience and scientific background. What kept you from following that path? Glad you followed the impartial path, though. 👍
I use Adam's graphene coating on my customer's vehicles. They love it. Yet I'm certified with Duraslic as an installer. It's cheaper
Hello Pan.
I have a question. After applying a costing. Many of these take hours to cure or time needed before you can expose the vehicle to rain or washing the vehicle. Would a product like ADS Amplify, used right after applying a newly applied ceramic, graphine,nano diamond coating as its curing. Do like a protectant? OR is therr a better product you would recommend?
I wouldn’t expose a coating to water or rain before the recommended curing time for your specific coating, even if you were applying a topper on top. The topper is more to protect the coating for the first weeks as all coatings continue their curing and hardening process for the first weeks after the application.
There are now coatings that only require 1 hour of curing before exposing to water or rain. See a video where I used one of the more advanced ones here: ruclips.net/video/4Kznrg3Z31o/видео.html
Beyond Armor Coatings, what is your recommendation for a professional retailer who doesn’t want to be certified and locked down but want to offer pro grade coatings?
Hi Pan. Another VERY informative video from you!!! Thanks for posting!! Question...Have you tried the No Hype Ceramic Coating from Black Rhino Car Care? I'd be SUPER interested in your thoughts and whether or not you think it's worth the hype...pun intended.😏 I'm not a pro detailer, just a lady that likes to keep her ride shiny, clean and pristine. Please advise.
Always like your honesty and your efforts for your videos. Thanks for that.
Can you tell if its possible to layer (different) ceramic coatings over another? Like first layer carpro over that Gyon? I know thats not what they ment for but i would like to know if its possible and if there would be a benefit or disadvantage. Because i got the Gyon Mohs right now on my car but still have a cerakote. And since cerakote will send anyways a "new one" i thought i could use the "old one" to top off the Gyon.
I know there was a video from Yvan Lacroix where he said it doesnt help to apply spray sealants over and over again since the new layer will remove the old layer. (Video was 3 years old tho).
Is it the same with true ceramic coatings?
Also im not sure if you know this but the turtlewax scratch remover has a clear coat in it right? Is it an issue if i apply a ceramic coating over it? (Solved Wise)
Would be nice to have a test where everything is tested with wax on spray sealant, spray sealants over ceramic coating, ceramic over ceramic, ceramic over turtlewax clear coat.
And if the turtlewax clear coat has no issues can you apply it over the whole car Like a coating? Thought would be more clear coat would make like an magnifying glass and over that an ceramic. Should make more gloss?
Sorry i ask to much😅
I’m dizzy.
Can we recommend a coating that easy to apply in the garage. Last 2 years in Southern California weather.
Thanks
The one I used in this video is as good as it gets for DIY applications: ruclips.net/video/uV7QWwyuPL4/видео.htmlsi=S2tmsZPg499C7bfs
Thank you Pan for another great informative video
#Coatings!!
Thank you Pan for another phenomenal and interesting video. I agree with you on the Coatings topic.
Another option that I could see working out well is each Coating brand offering Workshops with a brand ambassador of theirs at different Detailing Supply shops just traveling to each state/country to properly train and show proper techniques to apply a Pro Coating. Possibly have a small class setting to ensure that each person who has paid to attend the workshop has the chance to get hands on. Let me know what you think?
#coating started applying ceramic, coating to friends and family and trying to take it to the next level and making it a side hustle possibly more I don’t know but you’re videos been very helpful to me. Thank you Pan I am in the process of remodeling my garage and I’m almost finished. I would love to send you before and after pictures.
Love your videos. I keep coming back for more. I’m also a carpro fan and I’m looking forward to the new carpro dquarts go. When are you coming with a test? Not a lot out there yet :)
Thanks! Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on RUclips as we surpassed 1 million subscribers and we have over 140 million views! I have been detailing for 27 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
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I didn’t get much viewer requests for Dquartz yet. Doesn’t seem like a popular option.
@@PanTheOrganizer Maybe not enoough people know of it yet. I saw it in one of your new for the year videos? At least I think it was here and startet researching. It looks like a good product imo. Seems to be better than Cquarts UK for swirls. But pricier for sure. Im getting my new car in August, and Im going to add Dquarts i think. Thinking 2 layers, and I have an unopened bottle of Gliss that I think Ill add for topping. Sound good?
#coating Great video! I was wondering if you had received anymore information on the Cerakote updated coating? I haven't heard much about it since your video with the CEO.
I like the idea of you essentially interviewing the pro detailers and companies #coating
Definitely need access to the pro ceramic line of all companies
Man I always show some love. When he had that code for a free bottle of ceramic coat I took him up on that and I got it one day I totally had forgot. But I used and liked it also customer liked it
Pan, When a company says nano diamonds, is that a fancy name for graphene oxide ?
No completely different.
#coating. I emailed a brand about becoming a certified installer and it was more of a sales tactic to buy their full product line, even if my interest was their exterior products only. No ask for a portfolio. They didn't request any info on my experience or my equipment. I quickly realized that "certified installer" was simply a marketing angle against uninformed potential customers for my business (for this specific instance at least).
Why is s Carpro "Professional" a 2 year plus coating? Doesn't sound to Pro to me. I enquired about being accredited to use these Carpro pro coatings, but when I found out they were 2 year coatings i didnt bother. I applied can coat evo to wifes car 21 months ago and it's still beading.
I think a waiver proving you own a detailing business, Been in business for 3 plus years, carry insurance and will take all responsibly for any vehicle if damage occurs.
Hello Sir, always look forward to your show's.
Could you kindly recommend any products for general "interior" cleaning.
Thanks
UK
Great video man! Super explanation about this stuff.
Thank you!! :)
#coating… I liked this video and I really like the idea of signing a waiver to access professional coatings. Most of these brands should have some kind of invoice tracking to know if you are truly a one time purchaser or someone that is trying to circumvent the system to gain access to professional coatings.
Pan, why would companies like Turtle wax and Meguiar's not release a product in this category? This has me so curious.
Do you still recommend Armor IX? If not what do you now recommend? Do these products come in plastic or GLASS bottles? I heard if it’s plastic, it’s not a quality ceramic product as the quality one with the right amount of solvent, can not be put in a plastic bottle.
#coating Great discussion there Pan. I always wonder, what a makes a detailer professional in the eyes of a coating brand? I’m assuming they all have different tests they make the detailers do before certifying them? I’ve seen some that have never done a paint correction to any degree but they have a business license and charge to clean cars? Are they professional?
What’s your all time best coating for gloss and hydrophobic I have a Kandy blue freshly painted vehicle I want the best protection
Does anyone know the difference in 303 touchless sealant vs 303 spray and rinse ceramic sealant. Which is better.
Hi Pan, love the video very informative about consumer vs. professional. I often have my car coated by an accredited detailer and then do the maintenance myself. I have had, Gyeon, Titan and Carbon collective over the years and different cars.
A question I get often and one I have myself is what brand would you recommend for someone wanting to have products just from one brand that will help look after their ceramic coating?
I currently use the Gyeon range but I have considered swapping to another brand or even running two brands as we have two cars. It's hard to get a clear brand comparison as most are individual product comparisons. I like to stick with a single brand and have all products in their range. I.e Car pro, Gyeon? P&S? Appreciate it might be hard to answer this as a professional reviewer though.
#coating Great video, Pan! I love the long podcast-esque videos.
Hydrosilex has a new ceramic coating with a warranty. How about doing a review before i buy it.
Why not have a mandatory online training + a liability release AND consumer support through a predefined means?
Thanks Pan, very interesting.
#Coating what needs brought out that I only no of 1 company that actually buys a insurance policy for several thousand dollars to reimburse the pro detailers that might reapply and correct a failed coating from another installer. The majority of the company's give the repairing installer a bottle of coating and say fix it. Great video pulling back the curtain on the wizard.
Thanks for watching!
Hey Pan, just a quick question…with the two size mL volumes of ceramic coatings. Would a 30mL be sufficient for a large SUV? Infiniti QX80.
I'd go for a 50 ml
@@PanTheOrganizer Thanks Pan. Appreciate this. 👍😊
#coating great video thanks for sharing I’m going to do my Porsche this weekend! Great solid information ! Cheers!
I just applied mohs evo and love it, but I am not sure it's right for me. I have black paint that is so easy to swirl and what I want more than any other property is hardness and swirl resistance .. would pure evo or another brand have been better with higher sio2 content or otherwise
No ceramic coating is designed to protect against swirls, scratches or stone chips unfortunately. At best, they provide light marring protection from when you are washing and towel drying your car. PPF is what protects the paint against stone chips and scratches.
So MOHS EVO is an amazing coating, but not for the reasons you stated here. Coatings are meant to provide the following features:
- self-cleaning properties, meaning the car is much easier to clean
- gloss
- slickness
- chemical resistance
- UV protection
- protect the paint from bird droppings, acid rain, fallout, tree sap, etc
So you already have a great coating there. If you use safe washing and drying methods, you shouldn't get swirls or scratches. I had my 911 Turbo S for three years, and it was still pristine after those three years.
Here's a video I made with a Gyeon expert talking about all their paint coatings and the differences between them: ruclips.net/video/w_dpnJH_Mz0/видео.htmlsi=tl4dqP6byXTfW8W4
@@PanTheOrganizer thanks, I think its the towel drying that is adding the fine swirls somehow over time
That's why it's important to use a quick detail spray or a drying aid when using a microfiber towel for drying. A drying aid acts as a lubricant between the towel and paint, helping to reduce marring (also known as "love marks").
Also, having a high quality microfiber drying towel is crucial. See my video on the best microfiber drying towels here: ruclips.net/video/E10SjmOps7E/видео.htmlsi=H5sYzpq5wj6u1GeH
How would you rate duraslic among the professional coatings
Hey brother pan , whats the best water sheeting coating ? I would prefer waster sheeting off the panels then the water beading
Please, make a review of Carpro Dquartz GO
@Pan I have a question about home water softener on average how much do they cost? And how much does it cost to maintain
#coating
I’m a travel nurse living in a motorhome full time. I’m looking for maximum durability in a ceramic coating, and I’d love to ceramic coat both my f150 (tows behind the bus) and the 39’ long motorhome. But I don’t have $10K to drop on this, I’d love to do it myself. I previously put AvalonKing on my last truck, that was great.
For prep work I’m happy to do all the clay baring & such, but I don’t intend to do any paint corrections. Both motorhome & truck are a few years old. I just want them to be easy to clean and for them to last a long time. I’m not looking for a show-room finish.
Any thoughts on brands I should explore?
@PanTheOrganizer I value your professional opinion and love all your informative videos. What do you recommend as the best ceramic for DIY. *** Thank You so much. ***
#coating
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Another great review! What are your thoughts about DIY Detail's 8 year claim on their ceramic coating and their stack method of applying their 5yr ceramic and 3yr graphene merging into 1 ?
#coating
Thanks! I don't have an opinion, as at one point, you have to trust and rely on what the brand tells you. Time will tell how long their stack lasts, but I tend to prefer 1 layer solutions. Their 8 year is so good on its own, I don't see the need for the stack.
I applied the 8 year on a car in this video: ruclips.net/video/L5SQ0ZIJCj0/видео.htmlsi=-U4nhbwYDTrwxl0R
But even better than any DIY Detail coating is the new C6 Ceramics Hydro Lite (sister company of DIY Detail). This coating: bit.ly/3yeW0Wh
I will have a few videos with that soon. ;)
I ceramic coated my face
#Coating Pan, how do you feel about applying a ceramic coating to a car that may still be in need of some paint correction? My old '98 Nissan really needs a completely new paint job, but that is not in the budget just now. The paint on it now is OK, but not great.
Pan, do you have a hookup for CarPro professional coatings? Looking for the pro Dquartz for my Ford Lightning. I reached out to them and they said they wouldn't sell to me. I'm just an enthusiast and have done several coatings in the past. Located in USA.