Hope I didn't come off too mad about Samus but c'est la vie - I just have fun talking about these characters and when I get to ranting it comes out funny. I don't think she's horrible but I'm excited for future Smash games and the potential for the veteran fighters. I seriously recommend playing the Metroid series though. Thankfully, you can get through the original on the Nintendo NES Online. That only took me a few hours going in blind. Super Metroid also is there on the SNES online if you have a membership. Both of those I wish I could replay again blind, it's just one of those immersive experiences that always reminds me why I love gaming. Zero Mission and Fusion, are amazing games in their own right but have been MIA since they haven't had any recent re-releases. Luckily the GBA is easy enough to emulate, so you can get to experience the best of these games pretty easily. I guess there's Metroid 2 - I played that on console and let's say I think you can skip it. So I recommend giving it a shot. I gained a new appreciation for the history of this series, and I hope this video is evidence of that. Next up I have a bigger non KYM video coming next month, but beyond that I have some Kingdom Hearts to play. Wish me luck.
I think you did a good job to represent some of the... frustrations I've seen regarding Samus. I've said this about Ridley before, but it makes sense to mention here. It feels like there's a distinct lack of passion when it comes to representing Metroid, like they know it has a few dedicated fans so they do the bare minimum to check the boxes, but they don't really care about it at all.
You did a good job explaining the problems you have about her representation in Smash... Though I honestly think that's okay for her. Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
The saddest thing about the lack of Ice beam is that there's a Metroid assist trophy in the game and Samus cannot kill it on her own. Ice Climbers can totally kill Metroids though. No problem.
Who fares better against a lethal, brain sucking, viral parasite whose only known vulnerability is sheer cold? A bounty hunter, decked with a pretty wide futuristic arsenal of energy weapons and expertise with martial combat and acrobatics? Nah, a pair of kids in winter coats with mallets will get the job done! In fact, they can conjure small mountains of ice!
Man I would give my kidneys to see a Samus in smash with a beam switching mechanic, aion abilities and melee counter or hell maybe even some moves from Other M
I’m actually surprised you didn’t mention this since I figured you’d be one of the people who would actually notice it. But a small detail that samus has in smash is that the lights on her suit and arm canon and visor change color as she fires missiles, which is a reference to how the same thing would happen in the original Metroid on NES when you switch to “missile mode” help the player keep track of which firing mode they’re in
@@ArynBacklogDragon As a Sonic main and fan I can confirm, not only his latest games haven't been that great, but also his Smash moveset has been really bland since Brawl... At least Metroid Dread is a great game and Metroid Prime 4 is in development so Metroid fans can be happy with that
@@DonutZX386 Honestly, as Sonic fan and former Sonic Main (I can't bring myself to listen to Roger Craig Smith anymore. and YES, that's why I stopped). I was more thinking about the fact that people stay sh*tting on half the franchise for no good reason (Shadow, 06, and the Meta Era are the bad ones, not the other 3D games that came before the 2010s). But yeah, I get what you mean. They could've given Sonic the Light Dash, made his animations better, gave him moves from Battle, etc. I only hope "Sonic Frontiers" finally turns that franchise around. (but if I'm being completely honest, if Pontac and Graff come out and say their writing, I'm not gonna play it, no matter how good the gameplay is).
@@waffleman8053 Only metroid 1 and 2 were truly clunky, in Super she was pretty tanky if you were inexperienced with how movement worked, but the moment you figured out the physics and how the run button and wall jump play into things, you could absolutely speed through rooms as smoothly as butter. And that's the perfect sort of archetype that Smash loves to adapt into gameplay, a character that changes almost completely as you learn how they work to reflect how both they and the player progressed within their own games, that's how Link, Kirby, Sora, Steve, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Shulk, and all the fighting game characters work, how they play when a player is inexperienced vs how they play when the player is experienced look exactly the same between their home series and Smash.
ill admit, they got dark samus' creepy movements perfectly. but the fact that she was an assist trophy in smash 4 with obvious move differences, and how she was just relegated to a costume change was a punch to the guts for me tbh.
Dark Samus was my biggest disappointment in Smash Bros. More than tripping in Brawl. She had a phazon wave attack which would have been a very unique move no other character had. Or they could have included that move where she hovers into the air and charges in the direction that is inputted before it goes off. Also her phazon shrapnel attack, which could have been a variation of Samus's charge shot that had a wider range of attack with the shotgun-like spread the further you are away but each projectile is on the whole weaker meaning unlike Samus, you want to be up close when you unleash that shot to get the full effect... but then having a wider spread is good too if you just want to do some chip damage but I imagine that you'd have to fully charge the shot to get the full distance of the move. There's a lot more than just that which you could do with Dark Samus, maybe have a Dark Samus ECHO fighter... no I don't mean another clone, I mean like how she splits apart in the final showdown in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Echoes was the subtitle of Metroid Prime 2 so... was a bit of a joke reference. Anyway there's a character in a game inspired by Smash Bros, called Rivals of Aether, a character who creates smoke and can create a clone, though it is destroyed in one hit and I don't think hiding in phazon would really work, but anyway the implementation is there and shows that it can work in a platformer fighter, and with some tweaking could be a viable special move. They just... did the bare minimum aside from the fantastic animation, but the moves... oh she holds her arm cannon lower... and... that's it! That's all they did outside of aesthetic stuff! She moves more creepily and her missiles look weird, and there's more blue, and she holds her arm cannon lower to hit characters like pichu and kirby when he's ducking. So much potential as a character... and all she does is hold her arm cannon closer to the ground.
@@BlueAmpharos I've said this verbatum somewhere else, but even if they were to keep her an echo they could have easily swapped out a move or two from other existing characters, like they did with Chrom. This is especially egregious since Dark Samus uses neither Screw attack nor Morph ball Bombs in the games, but she does use moves that are very close to other characters specials. Her Up-B should have been a copy of Incineroars, since she actually uses an attack identical to that, the one charge move where she flies up in a Ball of Phazon armor and crashes it diagonally downward. Now that Mythra is out, her Ray of Punishment also resembles Dark Samus other armored charge move. Her Down-B also could have been made a reflector like Nayrus love, since she uses a move almost completely identical to that as well. When you shoot a Hyper Missiles at her in MP3, Dark Samus uses a curtain of Phazon Tendrils to deflect it. It has a fairly decent hitbox if you stand to close, and it has a set duration, so you can sneak a Hyper Missile in afterwards if you wait it out. This is almost a Textbook example of how reflectors work in Smash, so it could easily be converted one-to-one. Those changes would have been easy to make since the moves already exist, so it's a real pity. Also, yeah, a shotgun-style Charge move needs to happen, it would be a way better Spin on charge shots than "Power Orb"
@@marzipancutter8144 Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
The thing that really annoys me about her is that the devs could either have reworked Samus and made Dark Samus into the echo with the previous moveset, like Link and Young Link, or made Dark Samus into her own character, with more attacks she actually uses as a boss, but they did neither
Even if they were to keep her an echo they could have easily swapped out a move or two from other existing characters, like they did with Chrom. This is especially egregious since Dark Samus uses neither Screw attack nor Morph ball Bombs in the games, but she does use moves that are very close to other characters specials. Her Up-B should have been a copy of Incineroars, since she actually uses an attack identical to that, where she flies up in a Ball of Phazon armor and crashes it diagonally downward.Her Down-B also could have been made a reflector like Nayrus love, since she uses a move almost completely identical to that as well. Dark Samus uses a curtain of Phazon Tendrils to deflect your Hyper Missiles in MP3. It has a fairly decent hitbox if you stand to close, but it has a set duration, and you can sneak a Hyper Missile in afterwards if you wait it out. This is almost a Textbook example of how reflectors work in Smash, so it could easily be converted one-to-one.
The whole conceit of echo fighters was that they were easy to implement by working off the template of an existing fighter, thereby freeing up time and resources for other things. Neither of the things you described here could have happened, because, in both scenarios, they'd have to dedicate resources into making those changes. The end choice in this regard would either be to have Dark Samus as a Samus clone, or not to have Dark Samus as a fighter at all.
@@theherohartmut But I'm suggesting to literally keep her a clone and copypaste moves from other characters, and there were several animations that were already in Smash 4 in the Assist trophy. They did the same with Chrom, and they seem to have no qualms about putting new animations in anyway since they changed so many animations already that don't really matter, so that is fully in the scope of what an echo fighter would be. No, this is a similar case to the Daisy and Peach Turnip. Even when there were meaningful differences by pure accident, they even spent *extra* effort to erase them. This isn't a resource thing, they just want those echoes to be disappointing. Oh. you were talking to him, not me. Oh well. Regarding that, I think he's right in that I'd really rather have her not at all if this is what she's gonna look like, because it will destroy all the potential she has as a Character in the future. Smash is pretty bad at decloning (when you're not Falco). Being initially introduced as one still haunts Ganon to this day, and now the same is the case for Dark Samus.
@@marzipancutter8144 I was responding to OP. Sorry, didn't see your reply. I did have a concept before about shaking Samus' moveset up, involving a charge meter that influenced the power of her Mega Man-style regular attacks, and giving her at least one more jump to reflect the Space Jump ability.
I guess if I wanted to revamp Samus, I'd give these changes: - *Neutral Attack, Side Tilt Attack:* Power Beam: Fire up to three shots forth. Hold to fire a strong Charge Beam. - *Neutral Air Attack:* Power Beam: Fire up to three shots forth, or in tilted directions. - *Forward Air Attack, Back Air Attack:* Wide Beam: Fires three fanned beams in the given direction. - *Side Smash:* Wave Beam: A long piercing beam forth (not a projectile). - *Neutral Special: Plasma Beam:* Chargeable heat beam. High charge can yield strong shield damage. - *Side Special (Smash): Ice Missile:* A variant with a chance of freezing opponents. - *Up Special: Screw Attack:* Continues damaging spin on the way down. Can be canceled by other moves (like Mr. Game & Watch's Fire). - *Down Special: Morph Ball:* Takes on Morph Ball form to move around quickly with a smaller frame. Press attack button or special move button to plant a Morph Ball Bomb, which sticks in midair and explodes after time or on contact with opponents. Press shield button to resume normal form. - *Shield Special: Melee Counter:* If this attack hits an opponent, she'll blast them with a strong shot. Dark Samus could keep the Super Missile in this situation, though her Charge Shot could probably become a Phazon Beam with a poison effect. Also, what do you think of giving every fighter their own shield special?
@@AIETHERRENEGADE Like how the Inklings use the shield+special buttons to refill ink and the Minecraft quartet can bring their crafting box to their location. So more utility type stuff I guess.
Y'know... Her up special could be he shinespark as well... It would perform like Sephrioths octa-slash but rather that doing multiple hits, it does mild damage (like 8%) to anyone on the dash path and heavy damage (15-20%) to anyone than happens to be at the exact end of the shinespark. If performed in air, it makes her vulnerable at the end and if performed on the ground, she just does a medium speed, recovery animation. A kinda risk/reward scenario. Edit: would it be wrong to just make her double-jump do damage on the way up? Like no launch, but like 1.3% every tick.
Here to play devil's advocate: Samus is a very hard character to design to feel balanced merely because of the nature of Metroid gameplay. Metroid is a power fantasy: you start with nothing and end with just about everything. Simply plopping endgame Samus into Smash would be really overpowered, and it's not as easy as it is with Mega Man or the Belmonts. In a way it seems like they had to compromise to make a cohesive and balanced moveset. For example, having free aim and being able to charge a projectile while moving would be pretty overpowered like I mentioned before; having some of her normals fire in different directions works well, and storing Charge Shot having the illusion of charging it constantly is pretty clever. That said, she undoubtably has a lot of problems. She has weak and lack of references as you mentioned (Ice Beam, Morph Ball, Melee Counter, etc.). Her particle effects and sound design just look and feel wrong. Biggest of all has to be how little she uses her Arm Cannon in her normals, with the biggest offenders being her up tilt and up aerial. If they gave her better references and utilized her Arm Cannon more, her design wouldn't be too bad. I have some ideas on how I'd change Samus but I've already typed a nice wall of text so maybe another time.
You call this a wall? You haven't seen me type at least 6 paragraphs on (playable) Chicken in 100% Orange Juice, about how absolutely awful he is even compared to Robo Ball and Seagull. True, there are many impatient people who won't read this, but I will read pages and pages of character design ranting any day.
Im in agreement with my you dude. Samus is ok as she is now but i feel like project m samus was done the best so far. Being able to switch to ice beam is all i would need honestly. A lot of the other commentors want to change to a full on projectile dependent character which in my opinion would hurt her reputation more than it is already among smash fans.
@@deathserpent9747 I feel like Sakurai refuses to change third party characters, but likes to change Nintendo Characters if it's make things easy for him. This is why characters like Dante and Monster Hunter are Mii costumes because Sakurai doesn't believe that he can due them justice without changing who they are.
[There's a Dread Spoiler at the end here] The main thing I'd change would be for her normals to fire beams, as well as giving her a special mechanic, call it a gimmick, that lets the player hold the A button at all times and then release it to use charged version of the move (which would obviously only work on the normals that actually fire the beam). Of course, this would make the Charge Beam Neutral Special obsolete, so what do I suggest as a replacement? _Beam Switching_ à la Monado Arts (but probably without being time limited). We've got 4 Beam Types to use: - Power Beam: The standard one, high damage, yellow in colour - Ice Beam: Can freeze enemy on charged shots, low damage, medium knockback, blue in colour, freezing effect - Wave Beam: Bigger hitbox, so it's more likely to hit an enemy, medium damage, low knokback, purple in colour, electric effect - Plasma Beam: Doesn't disappear when hitting an enemy, medium damage, high knockaback, green in colour, flame effect Clean up the other Specials a bit with how exactly they work and there we go. Also, change the Final Smash to either Power Bombs or the Hyper Beam instead of just being a generic huge laser. It even works like that in Dread, so do that. Complete with the Metroid Suit, that'd be sick.
I've always had the idea of keeping her charge shot as her special, having it be a move you have to hold and release like Sephiroth's while also being able to move, but it gains additional beam upgrades _as_ it charges, gaining the Spazer, Wave Beam, and Plasma Beam in that order, with plasma being what's added at max charge.
If they are ok with spoilers, they could make her grab pummel be her draining energy from the opponents, giving it a lifesteal effect and healing her a little bit proportional to the damage she deals with it. Absolutely no major healing, but it’d be a cool addition.
Fusion came out 2002. I also came out 2002. I played Brawl AND Fusion in 2015. So for the past 6 years I have been eternally screaming that Metroid and Smash Samuses are two completely different entities and started screaming louder since Dread released. Anyway, can't wait to see her one singular change in the next Smash in 10 years.
I don't want to be all "But Project M/+", but seriously the way they adjusted Samus is amazing. Most of what you talked about was addressed, being able to use your morph ball at all times, adding the boost ball move as an attack while crouching, bomb jumping, and even using the side taunt switches from fire mode to ice mode, where her fire based melee attacks get swapped with ice based moves, while also changing how her missile worked. I would love to see a video talking about Project M/+ some day.
I can excuse Samus's design, since it seems to me that, like a lot of the original characters, her design is less about literally translating her gameplay and more about interpreting how she would fight in a fighting game. Like Captain Falcon, Pikachu, and Ness couldn't really go one-to-one, so they went with a loose interpretation of how their abilities would translate to a 2D brawler. She should have been updated in newer games, but I also get wanting to keep the same feel as older versions of the character.
I've been saying Samus should have had morphball as crouchwalk since Brawl, and a common rebuttal I got was "Well this would bring balancing issues to give a zoner the ability to crawl." Bitch have you seen Snake and Duck Hunt ? There are so many characters in smash with stupid OP shit, yet Samus' most iconic mechanic shouldn't be added, because of game balance ..?
@@needlewind9053 Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
Ok. Personally. How I would revamp the moveset would be this: •Neutral Special: Same attack, but you can aim your body around, the charge beam would be less powerful though for balancing purposes. •Side Special: Just make the missiles faster man. Also add some more options •Tap: Missile (Red): Fastest, Normal Damage •Press: Super Missile (Green): Slowest, Creates blast radius •Hold: Ice Missile (Blue): Fast, freeze on impact •Long Hold: Storm Missile (Orange): Normal Speed, Multiple aimable Missiles. •Up special: Screw attack, press B while midair to Screw attack again, maybe needs to be balanced. •Down Special: Use Cross Bomb instead, and more damage, yikes this ability needed a buff. •Dodge: add reference to Flash-Shift. •Dash Attack: Dash Melee, this would probably be orange to reflect the varia suit variant of the dash melee, as Samus is represented by that suit. Edit: •Final Smash: The Ωmega cannon from Metroid Dread: Instead of just a large laser (since other characters already do this) Let's make this something Unique. •Samus will still be stationary, but: Samus will start off with shooting a wide line of super fast bullets, after 2 seconds of being blasted the enemy will be completely stunned and "marked" (like the Emmi's without their face plate). •The second step is that Samus will take a second to charge up her beam before firing a very large bolt, dealing a ton of damage, enemies who were "marked" from the previous step will have 2x dmg dealt to them when this step hits.
I think one word can explain a lot of the choices made in Samus' kit. Balance. If Samus had the mobility, firepower and the ice missiles from the games, the opponent would basically have to play a Tohou game just to get close, and then Samus could just run away and start all over.
I mean... I guess her being so agile in the Zero Suit could be a reference to the manga? In her training she was hopping around like some super soldier
I'm ngl, this video is exactly how I felt after playing Dread. I felt so angry that Samus is so god damn cool and then she's just, in smash. Not only that, she's boring. She arguably one of the least favorite characters you want to fight which is a shame cuz she could literally rush someone down. I pray that in the next smash they give her a Dread overhaul cuz it's a genuine crime
Here's what I'd Change Make Zero suit and Varia into one samus Make the screw attack her nair Make the ice missiles apart of the super missiles. you can stay in the morph ball for about 20 seconds and you press a to morph back, You can go up walls but slowly like the spider ball and if you press down-b again samus drops a power bomb
I always wondered why Samus has never gotten a toggleable beam system in smash. It would be great to switch from something like the ice beam to the wave beam to the plasma beam. Hell, you could give the plasma beam fire properties like in Prime or even add the diffusion beam from Other M as a reliable kill move.
Was genuinely thinking about this after playing Metroid Dread, cool to see you putting it into words. I think Smash 64 wanted a melee fighting emphasis e.g. everyone can punch and kick, which is why they made her arsenal the special moves. They then kept her this way because her Smash moveset seemed "more popular/iconic"(?) than a more accurate moveset, like with Ganondorf. If the next Smash is a more stripped down, back to basics, from the ground up game like I think it will be, they might make every character accurate to their original games.
Funny that you say this because Samus and inkling both have very "smash" like moves with punches and kicks, people gripe about Samuses moveset but ignore inkling because there new.
Honestly, despite the familiarity aspect, I do hope they can rework Samus to better reflect the games, hopefully including things like the counter from Samus Returns and Dread. And if they really want to keep the classic Samus move set? SA-X fighter, babyyyyyy Samus in her games has come a long way since Fusion, so they could have SA-X as a fighter with the classic move set while Samus herself gains things like ice missiles, counter parry, speed booster, and so on, kinda like how Young Link acts as the way to play the classic Link moveset in Ultimate without the new BoTW elements.
Okay, so a bit more as I think about this: For this, I would have both Samus and Dark Samus redesigned moveset wise. Dark Samus would drop the classic moveset for a new set that derives from things the Samuses do in the Prime games specifically, such as beam switching, boost ball, etc. Meanwhile Samus herself would be given items from the 2D games, like ice missiles and speed booster. This way, when SA-X takes over the classic Samus spot for movesets, there is no confusion between SA-X and Dark Samus over who is now supposed to be an echo fighter of who, on top of getting better representation for both Metroid playstyles. Then for SA-X, we just take current Samus and just edit the name plate, problem solved. Then when it comes to costumes, in order to tell players apart, all of Samus' current costumes would go to SA-X, but would be adapted to the bulkier power suit design from Super Metroid and such that we saw used in Brawl, as opposed to the sleeker Other M design we got in Sm4sh and Ultimate, largely because this is cannonically how the SA-X appears. Samus, on the other hand, I imagine having 2 different costumes with 4 colors each: the Fusion Suit and the Dread Suit. Both would have their power, varia, and gravity color schemes, but I imagine the Fusion suit's last one would be the Omega suit, while the Dread suit could either have the 4th be based on Raven beak, or a certain other suit I don't wanna spoil for anyone who hasn't beaten Dread. With these new costumes, it also means that there won't be confusion over whether someone is playing SA-X or Samus in a fight, since the Dread and Fusion suits are visually distinct from the classic power suit design.
@@Metal_Blake Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
I say give her a new way to dodge things like how she can dodge more significantly in other m. It would in the same fashion as mythra's foresight, and give her the counter move she has in dread and let's not forget how she can get multiple enemies in fully charged shot in other m. That can be a better improvement to her Neutral special.
I'm surprised you didn't say anything about zero suit's whip which she doesn't use in games. Also I wish Samus' jab was changed to the melee counter from Samus Returns and Dread
Pretty neat video, though a few comments on things: Samus has received small, though noticeable changes throughout the smash games that do affect her playstyle. In Melee, if you trigger a bomb jump, you can act immediately out of it. If you use a bomb next to an opponent (or their shield), it will immediately explode, triggering bomb jump. I don’t know about 64/Brawl, but what this does mean is Samus actually has a lot of great offensive pressure, especially if you score a knockdown on a platform, because you’ll almost always be plus. Neutral Air was changed from Brawl onwards to a double kick, from a single outstretched kick. Not the biggest fan of this change personally, but it does let Samus’s nair be safer on shield if you land both hits, meaning you could potentially follow up with something safer up close. At least from my personal perspective, getting hit by Samus up-tilt feels like one of the most impactful moves you can get hit with, in terms of sheet aesthetic oomph She’s a zoner, but she can absolutely fight up close and personal
Some Changes that would go a long way to make Samus much more Unique Jab - Replaces her Neutral Special and allows her to roam and shoot freely. Also allows her to use Charge Beam while moving and hold it while moving. The Charge Shot is no longer as big. Jumps - Samus now has Five Midair Jumps but controls similarly to Space Jump making it a bit more awkward. Side Special - Able to Switch Between Standard, Ice, and Super Missiles. Standard Missile fires at a much faster pace, Only a bit slower than her regular shot. They also deal much more damage. Ice Missiles Go at the Same Speed as Standard Missiles but do little damage and just freeze the opponent. Super Missiles go slower than the Standard Missiles but deal heavy damage. Grab Attack - Grabs Enemy by the Neck Area and does Drain Damage, healing herself. Grab - Grappling Beam is now one fast straight shot instead of a flexible slower shot Down Special - Able To Switch Between Bombs and Power Bombs. Bombs now do way more damage and give Samus an iffy way to Bomb Jump. Power Bombs are used by holding Down Special and charging it. Once fully charged lets out a bigger explosion. Easily Counterable. Shield - Instead of Normally Shielding, Samus turns into her Morph Bomb Form making her a much smaller hitbox. She can no longer Shield. In Morph Ball form, she can roll across the stage and still use bombs. Final Smash - Samus' Ship Laser Beam (Cinematic)
Some cool ideas are in here for sure, but others seem like they sacrifice a character being playable or balanced in favor of just accuracy to the character. In my eyes, that's a shitty idea. In my opinion, with Smash Bros, the goal should always be to keep usability and game balance while also representing the character. Too far in either direction, in my eyes, only results in problems. Too far towards representing the character? I feel I don't even need to bring up the Belmonts or Inkling. Too far towards game balancing and usability? Mario. By stabilizing both ends, I feel like the problems become way more reduced both in quantity and power.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 I feel the characters that represent their series the best, are the ones from Fighting games, Arcade like games, or Hero, Steve, and Banjo where the games allow a simple way to use an inventory System. You can check out Duke of Dorks Smash tier list for more detail. He really does not care about Balance.
akshually: Samus does not get her suit destroyed in Zero Mission, she just looses the ability to keep it active. The suit is actually integrated with her and can't be removed nor destroyed that easily The suit is connected to her brain and requires a great deal of concentration and temperance to keep working, so much than a normal person could never be able to pull off (hence why only her can use the suit) even doubt or some fear can cause the suit to come apart and become uncontrollable She was trained since she was a child in an inhospitable enviroment. In zero mission she feels real vulnerability for the first time as her ship is taken down and can't concentrate enough to activate it
This is actually only the case *after* she gets the upgraded suit in Zero Mission from the weird Chozo ritual. The original suit is entirely different and pretty much like those old 70s/80s cartoon space suit designs. Hence why it sounds hollow and plasticky in Zero Mission. In Super Metroid it doesn't sound like that anymore because it just straight up isn't metal anymore, it's all made of biological materials. Hence why the SA-X in Fusion can totally steal and consume what's left of the outer shell of the suit and it's equipment.
@@thomased22legoyodagaming Samus's Plasma whip is base on the energy whip used by the Reptilicus hunters in Prime 3. Her heels is basically an alternative version of the Screw attack.
I also agree that Samus should be able to jump infinitely in two separate ways, have a screenwide dash attack, bombs that permanently destroy terrain, and a screw attack that kills at 0% all while being able to charge her neutral b while moving, crouching and on ledges
20:06 Link in Ultimate isn't at all a close representation of Breath of The Wild. Sure they changed his look, but mechanically and design-wise he's still nearly identical to how he is in the rest of the games
Honestly the remote bomb alone makes him feel so much more like BotW imo. Yeah there’s no references like champions abilities or weapon durability. But the creativity and simplicity of all the crazy stuff you can do with the bomb is exactly the spirit of BotW. It’s one mechanic that can be interacted with in many different ways
So based on this video I can gather that you want Samus to... - Have the majority of her normals as projectiles (and they have to be full projectiles, "projectile-simulating physical fireballs" are off limits) - Have a fully invincible UpB that goes way higher than it does now, also has a horizontal variant, and has extreme kill power - Have an invincible dash attack that covers the entire stage - Have omni-directional aiming on her neutral special which would become a rapid-fire or projectile, possibly with a charge mode on top of that - Have a quick-fire straight line projectile that does, say, 10% damage with a smash variant that does at least 20% damage (because "only 12% is lame"). And it's also aimable. - Shrink her hitbox to Pichu size at will and drop bombs that hit half the screen - Have an instant ranged grab - Have a projectile that freezes enemies for easy combos Absolutely, cut and print, wonderful character that's definitely not completely broken and horribly annoying to fight against in any way. To quote a certain spiffy British fellow, that sounds perfectly balanced with no exploits. Like, could they do more with her moveset? Absolutely. I don't agree with her having *all* projectiles (and I'm fine with the fireball smashes personally as facsimile for close range gun shots), but in the current Smash landscape with characters like Mega Man she could have a couple normals changed to projectiles. But half of the comments in this video basically being "why isn't it as good as it is in Metroid?!" illustrates pretty clearly that she would be broken as hell if she was a 1-to-1 representation of how she plays in her source games. Samus is amazingly strong in Metroid once she gets all her upgrades. Easily one of the strongest characters of anyone in Smash, just going by her in-game abilities and how she plays in her games. Because that's the kind of series Metroid is, it's a series where you come across obstacles you can't pass and you're weak and outclassed then you get upgrades and by the end of the game you're an unstoppable 1-woman killing machine. There's gotta be balance somewhere, because you can't have an unstoppable killing machine in a fighting game. Because Samus feels so strong in her games and a fighting game needs to be balanced, the result is that she can never feel that strong in Smash as she does in Metroid. And that's just kind of the nature of the character I think. You can make her more interesting, more accurate, but she's never going to be perfectly representative because her being an overpowered one woman army is kind of central to the feel of the character.
I will always stand by the opinion that Sakurai was actually just a fan of Monty Oum and just got the idea for Samus' jet boots from his viral Haloid animation back in the day, it's the earliest reference I can find
As far as the Link transition is concerned, they actually _did_ keep his standard setup... with Young Link. That worked because the original moveset was made with Ocarina in mind, and that's Young Link's entire reference point. Samus... didn't have a similar "out" to introduce a new moveset while keeping the old one.
You say that, but she has Dark Samus who has an identical moveset, even though by all means she shouldn't have. At that point, let's face it, they just didn't really care.
@@orangeslash1667 That would be a tuning issue, not a kit one. Samus gets to have a lot of abilities by the end of her games, but you don't need to take them away to balance them, just tone their strength. Making her kit full of the same original moves that were given to Captain Falcon is not a way to "nerf" someone.
@@marzipancutter8144 Brawler characters like Captain Falcon are easy to balance, sadly the same can't be said for zoners. You see Samus is not known for close combat in her games, so Sakurai gave her physical attacks, but it also came with the cost of changing and taking away her projectiles. Another problem is weight, the only thing that is keeping Sephiroth from being over powered is the fact that he is as light as Kirby😅. Since Samus is heavy weight, it's not possible to improve Samus without making her lighter. Not every character in Smash can be exactly as powerful as their games, I'm looking at YOU Bayonetta, Sora, and Olimar.
@@orangeslash1667 Balance is NOT a good argument to explain how badly Samus is represented in her Moveset. There's a huge difference between making her more powerful and making her more faithful, and the two can be done independently. You're just making excuses, and poor ones at that. There's several characters in this game who fill the same Zoner archetype while having both better Normals and also being easily able to out-projectile Samus because of how slow she fires. Hell, there's Rushdown chars whose only projectile can overpower Samus whole arsenal. There's really no reason for Samus to be the way she is other than a lack of care.
I feel it should be mentioned that her Smash Neutral B, could've inspired the Omega Cannon that Samus uses in Dread to destroy the EMMIs after defeating the miniboss of that area. It pre-charges and when fully charged, she shoots a giant ball of energy towards the enemy and she can't move while charging it, similar to Smash (But not 1 to 1, obviously) But that's an unsure, and I get why Alax wouldn't have mentioned it and felt it was not worth pointing out, if he noticed, tbh.
They could totally give Samus her power bombs. It could be just like Sephiroths giant explosion attack where you have to hold down the button for like five seconds.
Ultimate took a lot of focus on fan-servicing meelee fans (since they where the only ones that where still unhappy with the games), that's why they didn't risk to rethink most characters So now that they have ultimate i hope the next game can do something else. If they don't like it they can go back to ultimate like they did with meelee and everything's solved
Removing lots of characters & making big changes to the old ones at the same time just sounds like a good way to kill the series. It would likely end up feeling like nearly every character got cut since even the old ones wouldn't have their old movesets.
@@D_YellowMadness This is because Smash players are way too nostalgic Usually when they re-release a game and fix the stuff people celebrate, Smash players start crying because they can't perform a 3 button combo whos' only purpose is to swag or skip the very much intended start up movement animations and save less frames than they know what to do with
I feel like they should rearrange her whole moveset. Move Samus' grab animation to a tether up b, move the screw attack to be a kill move nair, make her crouch the morph ball and her down tilt the bomb, make side b the dash attack so you can hold it forward as much as you like, make neutral B a omnidireccional regular laser that she can use while moving and change down b to be like min min's, where she switches her neutral B between small lasers, missiles and her charge beam finally her new dash attack could be her Metroid Dread melee counter (and if you want to, give it super armor or something so it actually works like a counter)
Man, Keeps must love rubbing salt in the “You don’t have head hair” wound if they keep sponsoring you. Love your videos Alax! There’s not a lot of channels that are as creative as you!
I've been waiting for this for quite a while, thanks for doing the series justice even if Sakurai won't. I'd love to hear your extended thoughts on dread but that's up to you. Can't wait for the next vid!
@@SonicTheCutehog The Zelda Wiki confirms that Ganon is called the Gerudo King of Thieves. So Maybe Ganon used the Triforce of Power to steal Caption Falcons Move-set??? Think of the Monstars from Space Jam it's kinda like that.
Ice Missiles have only been in the series since Fusion and now Dread when you weren't able to use the Ice Beam because of the Metroid DNA that makes you unable to use the Ice Beam
It’s sad that Smash 4’s Dark Samus’ assist trophy is a better representations the series than all four of the current playable Metroid reps. Prime has been my favorite game series ever since I can remember and I honestly wish Dark Samus stayed as a trophy or wasn’t even included in Smash Ultimate, that’s how bad they’ve screwed up. Little side note: Check out Brawl Minus, it’s similar to Project M but a lot of the moves are changed drastically. Samus can actually change her beam and middle attacks to ice variations with her taunt.
Alright, So i'm gonna throw my hat into the ring on how Samus could be updated, but i'll try to keep this brief. I still feel like her Charge Shot would be a huge part of her game plan, but it would have multiple applications in her move set. To start off, I imagine her having a similar gimmick to Byleth where different directions have a different weapon. Neutral would be the Power Beam, Foreward would be Plasma, Down would be Ice, and Up would be Wave. These would all have slightly different properties like Ice being slower but can freeze, Plasma being the most powerful and can pierce, and Wave has the largest reach. And now for the charge shot. Her charge shot would still charge up like normal, but maybe you can still move but not attack. The big new thing would be that other moves can consume her charge to become more powerful. Her Neutral Special would be about the same. Her Down Smash would work like her down tilt, but with the Ice Beam. When charged, it has a wider area and will always freeze. Her Forward Smash would be this sort range piercing blast (Think sort of like that Shotgun custom move in Smash 4), and charged up it would go further to about a mid range. Her up Smash would be similar to her current one, and charged it would shoot a wide cone-shaped projectile above her. I feel like this could apply to her Missiles and Super Missiles as well. The other big change that could happen would be to replace her Down B with a the Arm Counter in the recent Metroid games. Instead of being a traditional counter, this would cause Samus to dash forward with an uppercut, allowing her to perform a unique follow up if you intercept an attack. Additionally, this would charge you a little bit, allowing you to get your Charge Shot up from being more aggressive. I don't feel like Smaus would a complete rushdown character with how much she shoots thing in Metorid games. I've always felt like Metroid games have this feeling where you need to bob and weave in and out of danger to get as many shots in as possible. I feel like this gameplay style of constantly needing to keep your charge up while playing chicken with danger would fit Samus pretty well.
Moving while Charging used to sound ridiculous to me but then they made Steve. Although, if I had to choose, I'd rather no one can do it and Steve didn't exist than everyone getting a moving charge shot. Also, it's a crime how she couldn't at least get that acrobatic dunking on opponents in her throws.
@@marzipancutter8144 I feel like 3rd party characters have to be faithful to their games. With Nintendo characters, Sakurai is allowed to take some liberties.
@@orangeslash1667 Not really, otherwise Snake would have gun. It's really just that Sakurais design philosophy changed over the years, with him daring to make new additions increasingly non-traditional and more representative. It's not a bad thing, but it makes older characters look increasingly out-of-place.
@@marzipancutter8144 Fun Fact: Metal Gear was originally going to be an over the top action game, the only reason why it was changed to stealth was because on the limitations of the MSX. Snake was also in a fighting game before Smash Bros called Dream Mix TV. The reason you never heard of it is because it was never released outside of Japan.
If you think about it, Samus is actually Metroid now, in Metroid Fusion she has metroid DNA, and after Metroid Dread, she learns to control her metroid powers and becomes the ultimate warrior after defeating Raven Beak (in Chozo language "metroid" means ultimate warrior)
lmao, I know alax knows this, but Samus’ up tilt is just captain falcon’s so that they could save storage on the 64. Even Luigi’s voice in that game is just Mario’s voice clips sped up.
Samus Rework, let's go: New redesign will be her Dread Outfit. Best selling game in the series by a country mile, so her new outfit should reflect this. Jab: same Dash Attack: running Melee counter from Dread. Aerials, Tilts, Grabs and Smashes: Keep (Samus isnt exactly known for her close quarters combat). New Special Moveset: B: Power Beam/Charge Attack. Rapidly press the button to continuously fire her beam. Low damage with little hitstun like Falco Laser. Hold the Button to store a charge shot. Full charge will be weaker than full charge currently in Smash (new full charge will be as strong as current Samus 1/2-2/3 charge). Samus can move at slightly reduced running speed while firing, but can only fire in front of her (Similar to Banjo) Side B: Slide Morph. Samus slides toward her opponent, gaining intangibility for the duration and a weak Dash Attack. If the button is held, Samus rolls up into her morph ball, becoming smaller and faster. While rolling, Samus can plant up to 3 bombs at once with the A button. Press the B button at any time to Unmorph. Side B to make it feel more natural as a movement/evasive ability (which Dread finally allowed up to do with the slide/morph button) Down B: Swap to Missiles. Samus replaces her Beam B to Missiles. Regular missiles have a slower rate of fire than her Beam and no longer home, but travel slightly faster than her current ones. Hold to charge an Ice Missile, which keeps the speed of her current Super Missiles. Getting hit by an Ice Missiles freezes the opponent in place, but has no Knockback (like Ice Climbers). Frozen targets hit by her dash or smash attacks while frozen take 15-20% more knockback to reference the freeze-kill trick and allow kill setups lost by charge beam being weaker. Refire Down B to swap back to beam. Samus has to swap between Missiles and her Beam in cannon, and Min Min showed us that a character can be made to use a special move specifically to modify her other special moves. Up B: Screw Attack. Basically Imagine Rosalina Launch Star, with a Screw Attack Hitbox while traveling. Dark Samus will be kept the same due to her current Moveset being more reflective of the Prime games than the 2D ones, and to keep her as a legacy character like Young Link was for the Link reworked.
Starting to notice a pattern with the Smash 64 cast honestly. It's like all of these were either great or at least ok at the time and just got worse due to retcons and new stuff every time, most of which simply couldn't fit with the playstyles they were originally conceived with back when there were only as many characters as, like, 8 (12 if including lastminute extras). The only thing that's really 100% missing in Samus in Smash 64 is the Ice Beam which was maybe considered a spoiler
Samus should use the shinespark as her down special. It would work like how it works in dread where you have a second to aim it before you shoot off. If you use it on the ground you dash forward with a constant hit box like Wario bike but you can't turn around and a bit faster. Pressing down again will activate the areal down special. Also I'd make the up special work like jokers grapple with the graple beam and make the screw attack the neutral air. Make her neutral special a free aim like dread and her side special a hard hitting super missile with no free aim. Also also her forward tilt is the melee counter. It has super armor and reflects projectiles.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't given her any ice moves at all, despite it being such a big thing in her home series and the fact that we only have like four characters in the entire Smash roster that use ice attacks, and three of them only use ice attacks because they happen to be a spell they can use. The fact that Samus can't actually defeat a Metroid assist trophy without the use of a Mr Freeze or something is just insulting.
I as a big fan of the metroid series I think that smash ultimate could have had a crawl animation for Samus but when she crawls she goes into the morph ball
i think nintendo really missed the opportunity to make samus' victory screens her taking off her helmet or giving a thumbs up or just incorporating that she is zero suit like in the endings of metroid games
While I do agree Samus needs an update like what Mario and Link have gotten in the past, I think Ultimate did a lot to make her feel better. The universal change of charging her beam in midair and canceling it with a jump helps her be a bit more mobile with her charge beam, Screw Attack is a great out of shield option and a respectable kill move, which helps it feel like it's got a semblance of the power it has in the base games... She can't bomb jump but she can stall and change her aerial momentum with them, so they can help her in her recovery. I agree her missiles should pack more of a punch and maybe they could implement an ammo system for her missiles to compensate for the increase in fire power. Maybe a base missile is only slightly weaker than a full-charged Charge Beam shot, and a super missile is stronger but uses up more of her missile count. Maybe she can get more by KOing an opponent, getting KO'd, and a special input where she uses her charge beam charge to instead regain more missiles. It's still not entirely accurate, but it would keep her true to her current playstyle while adding a new element that changes the character's playstyle to better reflect their character.
If they made a revamped Smash Bros 64 that gave all the 64 characters new movesets, reverted the hitstun and made it to be a competitive game I would play it everyday
So I’m just going to come up with a few fixes to the specials for samus (with power suit) Neutral special: I’m going to take from prime 1 for this one. When neutral special is chosen, a small circle of 4 options appear around the player with the following options Power beam: a quick charging shot that deals good damage (like the current one but a bit faster) Wave beam: a little slower charging speed and deals less overall damage, but follows enemies (like current missiles) and can stun them for a little bit Ice beam: the slowest charging beam, dealing damage like power beam, but a fully charged shot can freeze enemies Plasma beam: a moderate charging speed with high damage, but not much range Side special: no reason to give ice missiles since I’m representing ice beam in neutral special, but the only change I would make is likely more damage for super missiles Up special. Screw attack can stay, but I would give it more horizontal mobility. (Also should mention on the topic of jumps, 3 weaker mid air jumps instead of 1 solid mid air jump) Down special: switch to morph ball form which has its own move set of specials Morph ball neutral: normal bombs. 3 on screen at a time but you can bomb jump with them Morph ball side special: boost ball, dealing damage to enemies it runs into Morph ball up special: one big power bomb, big damage but can’t use normal bombs while the power bomb is going off and has a large reload speed This I feel fits samus more (sorry this feels like if samus was a DLC character)
I suppose I'd better design a new moveset for Samus for Super Smash Bros., drawing inspiration from more recent Metroid games, especially Metroid Dread (but also Metroid Prime): Basically, Samus's main gimmick would be that she constantly spams projectiles from a distance, even while moving, and even while in the air, much like Mega Man. Unlike Mega Man, Samus can switch between using her weaker Power Beam (which can charge into a Charge Beam) and her stronger Missiles (which can charge into Cluster Missiles) with Neutral-B, but can only use her Missiles if she still has ammo for them. (If not, she'll automatically switch back to using her Power Beam/Charge Beam.) Samus can gain more missiles as she successfully lands hits on her opponents. To help her keep her distance from opponents, Samus can toggle in and out of her Morph Ball form with Down-B. While in her Morph Ball form, Samus can drop Morph Bombs, Diffusion Bombs, and even a Power Bomb (if she has one available, which recharges slowly). Samus can also use her Speed Boost with Side-B while on the ground for quick getaways (or for quickly closing the distance), which turns into Flash Step if she uses Side-B while in the air, which allows her to quickly put some distance between her and incoming attacks. Finally, at close distances, she can counter with her Smash attacks, or knock enemies away in an instant with her Screw Attack by pressing Up-B, which she can do up to 5 times. - Neutral-A, Side-A, Up-A, Up-Side-A, Neutral-A-Air, Side-A-Air, Up-A-Air, Up-Side-A-Air, Down-A-Air, Down-Side-A-Air: Rapid-fire Power Beam shots (or Missiles if toggled on) in various directions. (Power Beam shots do minor damage that might not even cause flinching in opponents.) Hold A to charge up for a Charge Beam shot (or a Cluster Missile), which, unlike old Samus's Charge Beam, wouldn't be anymore damaging than most other fighters' Side-A attacks (much like how the Charge Beam isn't even close to being Samus's most powerful move in her games. Heck, even her missiles are more powerful than this). - Down-A: Slide kick, like in Metroid Dread (and like Mega Man's slide kick). - Side-A-Smash, Up-A-Smash: Counter, where Samus performs a mediocre-damaging swipe (even for a Smash Attack) that, if it hits an enemy's melee attack (like with other characters' counter moves), negates the damage to Samus, and allows Samus to then blast the enemy with a Charge Shot (like in Metroid Dread and Metroid: Samus Returns). - Down-A-Smash: Sweep kick that can hit enemies in front of and behind Samus, same as old Samus. - Side-A-Dash: Shoulder tackle (same as old Samus). - Neutral-B: Toggle between Power Beam/Charge Beam and Missiles/Cluster Missiles when performing A attacks. While in this mode, Samus emits a laser, which would cause opponents painted by it to be targeted, causing Missiles to home in on them (like in Metroid Dread). Missiles are limited in number (10 max), and if Samus runs out, she'll automatically switch back to using her Power Beam/Charge Beam. However, missiles can be regained as Samus attacks opposing players. Holding down A will charge for a Cluster Missile (a-la Metroid Dread), which would be at least as devastating as any other character's Smash Attack (and probably more deadly than Samus's old Charge Beam), but would cost 5 missiles. - Side-B: Flash Shift/Speed Boost: Allows Samus to perform a quick dash in midair, which would do no damage, or to charge up for a speed boost while on the ground, which would knock enemies away on contact (similar to Palutena's Super Speed skill from Super Smash Bros 4). Press down to enter Shine Spark mode, where if Samus jumps, causes her to charge up for a second before performing a devastatingly-powerful (comparable to when Ness hits himself with PK Thunder, turning himself into a devastatingly-powerful missile) dash attack in any direction (with limited, though still long, range to prevent accidental KOs off-screen, like with Marth's Final Smash). - Up-B: Screw Attack: Allows Samus to jump up to 5 additional times as a spinning ball of harm (similar to the Metroid Prime games), knocking enemies away on contact (instead of trapping them in a damaging combo, like with old Samus). - Down-B: Morph Ball: Change into a Morph Ball. Press B or Shield (regardless of direction) to exit. While in Morph Ball Form, press A to drop Morph Balls, and Jump to jump. Hold down A slightly to charge up for dropping a Diffusion Bomb (like in Metroid Dread), which has a cross-shaped blast area. Hold down even further, while there is a Power Bomb available in the inventory (recharges slowly over time, not available at start, much like the Wario Waft), to drop a Power Bomb, which would explode like a Smart Bomb item after a second. - Shield-B: While on the ground, toggles Samus into 360-degree aiming mode, where (like in Metroid Dread and Metroid: Samus Returns) she's stationary, but can aim in 360 degrees, and fire with her Power Beam/Missiles, and charge up for her Charge Beam/Cluster Missiles. Press B to switch between Power Beam/Charge Shot and Missiles/Cluster Missiles, and press Shield or Jump to exit this mode. - Shield-Side: Samus Flash Shifts to dodge enemy attacks while on the ground (instead of rolling into a Morph Ball). - Shield-Down, Shield-Air: Standard dodge (same as old Samus, plus every other playable character in Super Smash Bros), though she uses her newly-acquired Cloaking ability from Metroid Dread. - Grab, Grab-Air: Grapple Beam (same as old Samus). - Final Smash: Hyper Beam (same as old Samus). - Neutral-B (Kirby Copy Ability): Kirby switches to firing Missiles with the A button, even while in midair (like Samus), can also charge up for firing a Cluster Missile, can jump (like many characters wielding heavy firearms like the Cracker Launcher from Brawl, or the Hammer), and can switch back to his normal moveset by pressing either B or Shield. However, unlike Samus, Kirby would lose his Copy Ability if he runs out of missiles, and he can't replenish his dwindling missile supply by attacking opposing players.
I think sonic in the “Know Your Moves” series would be really funny considering how similar his moves are on the spectrum of what they look like and what they’re based off of.
@@stubish5582 Sonic's down B spin dask is like any other spin desk, but Side B spin dash is a reference to Sonic CD where it only kills robots. In it smash the side B Spin dash lets you be invincible for one second.
With the Morph Ball being as important as it is in the series, I've always wanted for Samus to be able to switch in and out of Morph Ball mode with Down B. It would essentially work like Zelda/Sheik in Melee. Even though it would technically be considered a different fighter according to the game's internal logic, it would be limited in what it could do to separate it from other fighters. It moves kinda slow and can't grab ledges or pick up items (obviously). If you get hit with a strong attack or get caught in a Multi-Jab, it forcefully changes you back to Samus. It can jump, but not very high, and it gets only one jump. The "jab" and "tilts" would be a regular bomb so that you could roll or jump around while planting bombs at the same time. The bombs are moderately strong and you can bomb jump, but you can only plant three at a time like in the Prime games to prevent infinite jumping. Neutral B would charge a Power Bomb, kinda like in Other M. It would be very powerful, but it has a long charge time and won't go off unless it fully charges. Its range would be comparable to the Star Fox bomb item. Side B would be the Boost Ball. It would send you flying in a small arc in either direction and it would deal damage like in Prime 2. If you hit a foe or wall, you'll bounce off. It can be used in the air too. In Metroid Dread, if you hit the counter button while in Morph Ball, Samus will un morph and counter while doing a sick backflip. That would be the Morph Ball's Up B. It wouldn't be an actual counter like Marth's. It would just deal damage and could combo directly into Samus's Up B. Down B switches between forms without doing the backflip counter. You can change forms very quickly like with Pyra and Mythra. The Ball has a lower profile than Samus if she was crouching, meaning you could morph to dodge certain attacks. The weirdest thing the Ball could do is grab opponents. It uses the Spider Ball to latch onto the front of an opponent and you could lay bombs while latched on. You can also charge a Power Bomb while latched on, and if the opponent's damage is high enough, they will be grabbed long enough for a full charge, basically ensuring a kill.
11:06 I used to play a version of PM where samus' up taunt changed from "normal beam" to "Ice beam" and her melee attacks changed instead of the b moves. omg, that version of samus was wicked. you had dashing disjointed hitboxes, shoruken uppercuts, and wicked fast aerials with a lot of good range/damage/coverage. ice samus was a boss b and I miss her so much 😢
11:46 to 12:23 was legit fucking hilarious i will not lie i absolutely love that whole part the way alax's voice just gives up and gets higher as he's in complete shock and the "what's a human special move? FU CKIN G WAL KI NG???" and the fucking sonic music with the old people stock photo just beautiful
Hope I didn't come off too mad about Samus but c'est la vie - I just have fun talking about these characters and when I get to ranting it comes out funny. I don't think she's horrible but I'm excited for future Smash games and the potential for the veteran fighters. I seriously recommend playing the Metroid series though. Thankfully, you can get through the original on the Nintendo NES Online. That only took me a few hours going in blind. Super Metroid also is there on the SNES online if you have a membership. Both of those I wish I could replay again blind, it's just one of those immersive experiences that always reminds me why I love gaming. Zero Mission and Fusion, are amazing games in their own right but have been MIA since they haven't had any recent re-releases. Luckily the GBA is easy enough to emulate, so you can get to experience the best of these games pretty easily. I guess there's Metroid 2 - I played that on console and let's say I think you can skip it. So I recommend giving it a shot. I gained a new appreciation for the history of this series, and I hope this video is evidence of that. Next up I have a bigger non KYM video coming next month, but beyond that I have some Kingdom Hearts to play. Wish me luck.
play AM2R or get a 3ds samus returns (preferably am2r)
I think you did a good job to represent some of the... frustrations I've seen regarding Samus.
I've said this about Ridley before, but it makes sense to mention here. It feels like there's a distinct lack of passion when it comes to representing Metroid, like they know it has a few dedicated fans so they do the bare minimum to check the boxes, but they don't really care about it at all.
You did a good job explaining the problems you have about her representation in Smash... Though I honestly think that's okay for her. Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
What about project m Samus she plays different a little bit if you taunt and project m with Samus you move change from fire to ice
@@conkerkiller21 PM Samus is quite agreeably based af
The saddest thing about the lack of Ice beam is that there's a Metroid assist trophy in the game and Samus cannot kill it on her own.
Ice Climbers can totally kill Metroids though. No problem.
Who fares better against a lethal, brain sucking, viral parasite whose only known vulnerability is sheer cold?
A bounty hunter, decked with a pretty wide futuristic arsenal of energy weapons and expertise with martial combat and acrobatics?
Nah, a pair of kids in winter coats with mallets will get the job done! In fact, they can conjure small mountains of ice!
Does that smile look friendly to you?
Man I would give my kidneys to see a Samus in smash with a beam switching mechanic, aion abilities and melee counter or hell maybe even some moves from Other M
Project M does that.
@@treddox5880 No, that's the Other other M.
my goal is 22 kidney’s
I'd give you my kidneys if you decided to subscribe to pewdiepie
@@itsknighttime9572 Allready did, now hand them over
I’m actually surprised you didn’t mention this since I figured you’d be one of the people who would actually notice it. But a small detail that samus has in smash is that the lights on her suit and arm canon and visor change color as she fires missiles, which is a reference to how the same thing would happen in the original Metroid on NES when you switch to “missile mode” help the player keep track of which firing mode they’re in
The life of a Samus fan is not for the faint of heart.
can't be worse than being a Sonic fan.
@@ArynBacklogDragon As a Sonic main and fan I can confirm, not only his latest games haven't been that great, but also his Smash moveset has been really bland since Brawl...
At least Metroid Dread is a great game and Metroid Prime 4 is in development so Metroid fans can be happy with that
@@DonutZX386 Honestly, as Sonic fan and former Sonic Main (I can't bring myself to listen to Roger Craig Smith anymore. and YES, that's why I stopped). I was more thinking about the fact that people stay sh*tting on half the franchise for no good reason (Shadow, 06, and the Meta Era are the bad ones, not the other 3D games that came before the 2010s).
But yeah, I get what you mean. They could've given Sonic the Light Dash, made his animations better, gave him moves from Battle, etc.
I only hope "Sonic Frontiers" finally turns that franchise around. (but if I'm being completely honest, if Pontac and Graff come out and say their writing, I'm not gonna play it, no matter how good the gameplay is).
Am a Klonoa fan and all we got for years was a canceled movie
count your blessings
I would mention Captain Falcon, but at least his moveset is actually good.
The Man, the Myth, The One who Cannot Crawl-- Metroid
Luckily sora can crawl for him
Luckily, after Dread...it isn't that far fetched to call her Metrois
Problem with Samus is the mobility. Just look at how agile she is in Dread, and then look at her in Smash.
She moved like a tank
They make her move like she did in metroid 1, its so clunky
To be fair, the older Metroid games where a bit clunky at times.
@@waffleman8053 Only metroid 1 and 2 were truly clunky, in Super she was pretty tanky if you were inexperienced with how movement worked, but the moment you figured out the physics and how the run button and wall jump play into things, you could absolutely speed through rooms as smoothly as butter.
And that's the perfect sort of archetype that Smash loves to adapt into gameplay, a character that changes almost completely as you learn how they work to reflect how both they and the player progressed within their own games, that's how Link, Kirby, Sora, Steve, Bayonetta, Mega Man, Shulk, and all the fighting game characters work, how they play when a player is inexperienced vs how they play when the player is experienced look exactly the same between their home series and Smash.
@@Cri_Jackal Great point.
kinda funny how ya didn't talk about the fact that Dark Samus had a more unique moveset in 4 as an assist trophy
OOF- BURN.
you're kinda right, Dark Samus should've stayed as an assist trophy
@@CalzoneStudiozOfficial
So the people that like her design can’t play as her. No. Just ignore her if her being an echo bothers you.
@@tjlnintendo Zoner characters are hard to balance.
FAX
ill admit, they got dark samus' creepy movements perfectly. but the fact that she was an assist trophy in smash 4 with obvious move differences, and how she was just relegated to a costume change was a punch to the guts for me tbh.
Dark Samus was my biggest disappointment in Smash Bros. More than tripping in Brawl. She had a phazon wave attack which would have been a very unique move no other character had. Or they could have included that move where she hovers into the air and charges in the direction that is inputted before it goes off. Also her phazon shrapnel attack, which could have been a variation of Samus's charge shot that had a wider range of attack with the shotgun-like spread the further you are away but each projectile is on the whole weaker meaning unlike Samus, you want to be up close when you unleash that shot to get the full effect... but then having a wider spread is good too if you just want to do some chip damage but I imagine that you'd have to fully charge the shot to get the full distance of the move. There's a lot more than just that which you could do with Dark Samus, maybe have a Dark Samus ECHO fighter... no I don't mean another clone, I mean like how she splits apart in the final showdown in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. Echoes was the subtitle of Metroid Prime 2 so... was a bit of a joke reference. Anyway there's a character in a game inspired by Smash Bros, called Rivals of Aether, a character who creates smoke and can create a clone, though it is destroyed in one hit and I don't think hiding in phazon would really work, but anyway the implementation is there and shows that it can work in a platformer fighter, and with some tweaking could be a viable special move. They just... did the bare minimum aside from the fantastic animation, but the moves... oh she holds her arm cannon lower... and... that's it! That's all they did outside of aesthetic stuff! She moves more creepily and her missiles look weird, and there's more blue, and she holds her arm cannon lower to hit characters like pichu and kirby when he's ducking. So much potential as a character... and all she does is hold her arm cannon closer to the ground.
@@BlueAmpharos I've said this verbatum somewhere else, but even if they were to keep her an echo they could have easily swapped out a move or two from other existing characters, like they did with Chrom.
This is especially egregious since Dark Samus uses neither Screw attack nor Morph ball Bombs in the games, but she does use moves that are very close to other characters specials.
Her Up-B should have been a copy of Incineroars, since she actually uses an attack identical to that, the one charge move where she flies up in a Ball of Phazon armor and crashes it diagonally downward. Now that Mythra is out, her Ray of Punishment also resembles Dark Samus other armored charge move.
Her Down-B also could have been made a reflector like Nayrus love, since she uses a move almost completely identical to that as well.
When you shoot a Hyper Missiles at her in MP3, Dark Samus uses a curtain of Phazon Tendrils to deflect it. It has a fairly decent hitbox if you stand to close, and it has a set duration, so you can sneak a Hyper Missile in afterwards if you wait it out. This is almost a Textbook example of how reflectors work in Smash, so it could easily be converted one-to-one.
Those changes would have been easy to make since the moves already exist, so it's a real pity.
Also, yeah, a shotgun-style Charge move needs to happen, it would be a way better Spin on charge shots than "Power Orb"
@@marzipancutter8144 Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
@@BlueAmpharos Zoners are hard to balance.
@@orangeslash1667 Doesn’t Link fill the exact niche of a zoner that’s good in neutral?
The thing that really annoys me about her is that the devs could either have reworked Samus and made Dark Samus into the echo with the previous moveset, like Link and Young Link, or made Dark Samus into her own character, with more attacks she actually uses as a boss, but they did neither
Even if they were to keep her an echo they could have easily swapped out a move or two from other existing characters, like they did with Chrom.
This is especially egregious since Dark Samus uses neither Screw attack nor Morph ball Bombs in the games, but she does use moves that are very close to other characters specials.
Her Up-B should have been a copy of Incineroars, since she actually uses an attack identical to that, where she flies up in a Ball of Phazon armor and crashes it diagonally downward.Her Down-B also could have been made a reflector like Nayrus love, since she uses a move almost completely identical to that as well.
Dark Samus uses a curtain of Phazon Tendrils to deflect your Hyper Missiles in MP3. It has a fairly decent hitbox if you stand to close, but it has a set duration, and you can sneak a Hyper Missile in afterwards if you wait it out. This is almost a Textbook example of how reflectors work in Smash, so it could easily be converted one-to-one.
The whole conceit of echo fighters was that they were easy to implement by working off the template of an existing fighter, thereby freeing up time and resources for other things. Neither of the things you described here could have happened, because, in both scenarios, they'd have to dedicate resources into making those changes. The end choice in this regard would either be to have Dark Samus as a Samus clone, or not to have Dark Samus as a fighter at all.
@@theherohartmut But I'm suggesting to literally keep her a clone and copypaste moves from other characters, and there were several animations that were already in Smash 4 in the Assist trophy. They did the same with Chrom, and they seem to have no qualms about putting new animations in anyway since they changed so many animations already that don't really matter, so that is fully in the scope of what an echo fighter would be.
No, this is a similar case to the Daisy and Peach Turnip. Even when there were meaningful differences by pure accident, they even spent *extra* effort to erase them.
This isn't a resource thing, they just want those echoes to be disappointing.
Oh. you were talking to him, not me. Oh well. Regarding that, I think he's right in that I'd really rather have her not at all if this is what she's gonna look like, because it will destroy all the potential she has as a Character in the future. Smash is pretty bad at decloning (when you're not Falco). Being initially introduced as one still haunts Ganon to this day, and now the same is the case for Dark Samus.
@@marzipancutter8144 I was responding to OP. Sorry, didn't see your reply.
I did have a concept before about shaking Samus' moveset up, involving a charge meter that influenced the power of her Mega Man-style regular attacks, and giving her at least one more jump to reflect the Space Jump ability.
I would accept this only if they still add the unique moves Dark Samus does and not just copy and paste Samus' old moveset just to keep it.
I guess if I wanted to revamp Samus, I'd give these changes:
- *Neutral Attack, Side Tilt Attack:* Power Beam: Fire up to three shots forth. Hold to fire a strong Charge Beam.
- *Neutral Air Attack:* Power Beam: Fire up to three shots forth, or in tilted directions.
- *Forward Air Attack, Back Air Attack:* Wide Beam: Fires three fanned beams in the given direction.
- *Side Smash:* Wave Beam: A long piercing beam forth (not a projectile).
- *Neutral Special: Plasma Beam:* Chargeable heat beam. High charge can yield strong shield damage.
- *Side Special (Smash): Ice Missile:* A variant with a chance of freezing opponents.
- *Up Special: Screw Attack:* Continues damaging spin on the way down. Can be canceled by other moves (like Mr. Game & Watch's Fire).
- *Down Special: Morph Ball:* Takes on Morph Ball form to move around quickly with a smaller frame. Press attack button or special move button to plant a Morph Ball Bomb, which sticks in midair and explodes after time or on contact with opponents. Press shield button to resume normal form.
- *Shield Special: Melee Counter:* If this attack hits an opponent, she'll blast them with a strong shot.
Dark Samus could keep the Super Missile in this situation, though her Charge Shot could probably become a Phazon Beam with a poison effect.
Also, what do you think of giving every fighter their own shield special?
Explain "shield special".... Like a specific OOS option?
@@AIETHERRENEGADE Like how the Inklings use the shield+special buttons to refill ink and the Minecraft quartet can bring their crafting box to their location.
So more utility type stuff I guess.
@@AIETHERRENEGADE or Terry with his up tilt out of shield as a thing
Oooh OK OK. I see now.
Y'know... Her up special could be he shinespark as well... It would perform like Sephrioths octa-slash but rather that doing multiple hits, it does mild damage (like 8%) to anyone on the dash path and heavy damage (15-20%) to anyone than happens to be at the exact end of the shinespark. If performed in air, it makes her vulnerable at the end and if performed on the ground, she just does a medium speed, recovery animation. A kinda risk/reward scenario.
Edit: would it be wrong to just make her double-jump do damage on the way up? Like no launch, but like 1.3% every tick.
Here to play devil's advocate:
Samus is a very hard character to design to feel balanced merely because of the nature of Metroid gameplay. Metroid is a power fantasy: you start with nothing and end with just about everything. Simply plopping endgame Samus into Smash would be really overpowered, and it's not as easy as it is with Mega Man or the Belmonts. In a way it seems like they had to compromise to make a cohesive and balanced moveset. For example, having free aim and being able to charge a projectile while moving would be pretty overpowered like I mentioned before; having some of her normals fire in different directions works well, and storing Charge Shot having the illusion of charging it constantly is pretty clever.
That said, she undoubtably has a lot of problems. She has weak and lack of references as you mentioned (Ice Beam, Morph Ball, Melee Counter, etc.). Her particle effects and sound design just look and feel wrong. Biggest of all has to be how little she uses her Arm Cannon in her normals, with the biggest offenders being her up tilt and up aerial. If they gave her better references and utilized her Arm Cannon more, her design wouldn't be too bad. I have some ideas on how I'd change Samus but I've already typed a nice wall of text so maybe another time.
You call this a wall? You haven't seen me type at least 6 paragraphs on (playable) Chicken in 100% Orange Juice, about how absolutely awful he is even compared to Robo Ball and Seagull. True, there are many impatient people who won't read this, but I will read pages and pages of character design ranting any day.
Im in agreement with my you dude. Samus is ok as she is now but i feel like project m samus was done the best so far. Being able to switch to ice beam is all i would need honestly. A lot of the other commentors want to change to a full on projectile dependent character which in my opinion would hurt her reputation more than it is already among smash fans.
Yep, he went wayyy overboard with this video
@@deathserpent9747 I feel like Sakurai refuses to change third party characters, but likes to change Nintendo Characters if it's make things easy for him. This is why characters like Dante and Monster Hunter are Mii costumes because Sakurai doesn't believe that he can due them justice without changing who they are.
[There's a Dread Spoiler at the end here]
The main thing I'd change would be for her normals to fire beams, as well as giving her a special mechanic, call it a gimmick, that lets the player hold the A button at all times and then release it to use charged version of the move (which would obviously only work on the normals that actually fire the beam).
Of course, this would make the Charge Beam Neutral Special obsolete, so what do I suggest as a replacement? _Beam Switching_ à la Monado Arts (but probably without being time limited).
We've got 4 Beam Types to use:
- Power Beam: The standard one, high damage, yellow in colour
- Ice Beam: Can freeze enemy on charged shots, low damage, medium knockback, blue in colour, freezing effect
- Wave Beam: Bigger hitbox, so it's more likely to hit an enemy, medium damage, low knokback, purple in colour, electric effect
- Plasma Beam: Doesn't disappear when hitting an enemy, medium damage, high knockaback, green in colour, flame effect
Clean up the other Specials a bit with how exactly they work and there we go. Also, change the Final Smash to either Power Bombs or the Hyper Beam instead of just being a generic huge laser. It even works like that in Dread, so do that. Complete with the Metroid Suit, that'd be sick.
I've always had the idea of keeping her charge shot as her special, having it be a move you have to hold and release like Sephiroth's while also being able to move, but it gains additional beam upgrades _as_ it charges, gaining the Spazer, Wave Beam, and Plasma Beam in that order, with plasma being what's added at max charge.
If they are ok with spoilers, they could make her grab pummel be her draining energy from the opponents, giving it a lifesteal effect and healing her a little bit proportional to the damage she deals with it. Absolutely no major healing, but it’d be a cool addition.
Talking about seeing a licensed doctor while showing Dr. Mario who doesn’t have a doctors license
Fusion came out 2002. I also came out 2002.
I played Brawl AND Fusion in 2015.
So for the past 6 years I have been eternally screaming that Metroid and Smash Samuses are two completely different entities and started screaming louder since Dread released.
Anyway, can't wait to see her one singular change in the next Smash in 10 years.
I'd love to see Samus with a new cool badass moveset, instead of it all just being bombs and blasts.
I don't want to be all "But Project M/+", but seriously the way they adjusted Samus is amazing. Most of what you talked about was addressed, being able to use your morph ball at all times, adding the boost ball move as an attack while crouching, bomb jumping, and even using the side taunt switches from fire mode to ice mode, where her fire based melee attacks get swapped with ice based moves, while also changing how her missile worked. I would love to see a video talking about Project M/+ some day.
I can excuse Samus's design, since it seems to me that, like a lot of the original characters, her design is less about literally translating her gameplay and more about interpreting how she would fight in a fighting game. Like Captain Falcon, Pikachu, and Ness couldn't really go one-to-one, so they went with a loose interpretation of how their abilities would translate to a 2D brawler. She should have been updated in newer games, but I also get wanting to keep the same feel as older versions of the character.
No the real Problem is, if Samus was one-to-one like her games. She would be Broken!!!!!
I've been saying Samus should have had morphball as crouchwalk since Brawl, and a common rebuttal I got was "Well this would bring balancing issues to give a zoner the ability to crawl."
Bitch have you seen Snake and Duck Hunt ? There are so many characters in smash with stupid OP shit, yet Samus' most iconic mechanic shouldn't be added, because of game balance ..?
Kinda a weird question but where you get your profile pic?
@@raiderrayer5195 drew it myself.
@@needlewind9053 Huh, neat.
@@needlewind9053 Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
@@orangeslash1667 Sir, this is a comment about how Samus should be able to crouch walk with morphball. What are you on about?
Ok. Personally.
How I would revamp the moveset would be this:
•Neutral Special: Same attack, but you can aim your body around, the charge beam would be less powerful though for balancing purposes.
•Side Special: Just make the missiles faster man. Also add some more options
•Tap: Missile (Red): Fastest, Normal Damage
•Press: Super Missile (Green): Slowest, Creates blast radius
•Hold: Ice Missile (Blue): Fast, freeze on impact
•Long Hold: Storm Missile (Orange): Normal Speed, Multiple aimable Missiles.
•Up special:
Screw attack, press B while midair to Screw attack again, maybe needs to be balanced.
•Down Special:
Use Cross Bomb instead, and more damage, yikes this ability needed a buff.
•Dodge: add reference to Flash-Shift.
•Dash Attack: Dash Melee, this would probably be orange to reflect the varia suit variant of the dash melee, as Samus is represented by that suit.
Edit:
•Final Smash:
The Ωmega cannon from Metroid Dread:
Instead of just a large laser (since other characters already do this)
Let's make this something Unique.
•Samus will still be stationary, but:
Samus will start off with shooting a wide line of super fast bullets, after 2 seconds of being blasted the enemy will be completely stunned and "marked" (like the Emmi's without their face plate).
•The second step is that Samus will take a second to charge up her beam before firing a very large bolt, dealing a ton of damage, enemies who were "marked" from the previous step will have 2x dmg dealt to them when this step hits.
I think one word can explain a lot of the choices made in Samus' kit. Balance. If Samus had the mobility, firepower and the ice missiles from the games, the opponent would basically have to play a Tohou game just to get close, and then Samus could just run away and start all over.
I mean... I guess her being so agile in the Zero Suit could be a reference to the manga? In her training she was hopping around like some super soldier
I'm ngl, this video is exactly how I felt after playing Dread. I felt so angry that Samus is so god damn cool and then she's just, in smash. Not only that, she's boring. She arguably one of the least favorite characters you want to fight which is a shame cuz she could literally rush someone down. I pray that in the next smash they give her a Dread overhaul cuz it's a genuine crime
Here's what I'd Change
Make Zero suit and Varia into one samus
Make the screw attack her nair
Make the ice missiles apart of the super missiles.
you can stay in the morph ball for about 20 seconds and you press a to morph back,
You can go up walls but slowly like the spider ball and if you press down-b again samus drops a power bomb
I always wondered why Samus has never gotten a toggleable beam system in smash. It would be great to switch from something like the ice beam to the wave beam to the plasma beam. Hell, you could give the plasma beam fire properties like in Prime or even add the diffusion beam from Other M as a reliable kill move.
13:20 absolute masterpiece. especially the BOOOM scream, that one brings me back....
Was genuinely thinking about this after playing Metroid Dread, cool to see you putting it into words.
I think Smash 64 wanted a melee fighting emphasis e.g. everyone can punch and kick, which is why they made her arsenal the special moves. They then kept her this way because her Smash moveset seemed "more popular/iconic"(?) than a more accurate moveset, like with Ganondorf.
If the next Smash is a more stripped down, back to basics, from the ground up game like I think it will be, they might make every character accurate to their original games.
10:37 A "bird" flying over a disproportionately "small" gap
I'd like to see a know your moves for a newer character who is more faithful to their series. Inkling sounds really fun to analyze.
Funny that you say this because Samus and inkling both have very "smash" like moves with punches and kicks, people gripe about Samuses moveset but ignore inkling because there new.
@@waffleman8053 Zoner characters are kinda hard to Balance.
Honestly, despite the familiarity aspect, I do hope they can rework Samus to better reflect the games, hopefully including things like the counter from Samus Returns and Dread.
And if they really want to keep the classic Samus move set?
SA-X fighter, babyyyyyy
Samus in her games has come a long way since Fusion, so they could have SA-X as a fighter with the classic move set while Samus herself gains things like ice missiles, counter parry, speed booster, and so on, kinda like how Young Link acts as the way to play the classic Link moveset in Ultimate without the new BoTW elements.
Okay, so a bit more as I think about this:
For this, I would have both Samus and Dark Samus redesigned moveset wise. Dark Samus would drop the classic moveset for a new set that derives from things the Samuses do in the Prime games specifically, such as beam switching, boost ball, etc. Meanwhile Samus herself would be given items from the 2D games, like ice missiles and speed booster. This way, when SA-X takes over the classic Samus spot for movesets, there is no confusion between SA-X and Dark Samus over who is now supposed to be an echo fighter of who, on top of getting better representation for both Metroid playstyles. Then for SA-X, we just take current Samus and just edit the name plate, problem solved.
Then when it comes to costumes, in order to tell players apart, all of Samus' current costumes would go to SA-X, but would be adapted to the bulkier power suit design from Super Metroid and such that we saw used in Brawl, as opposed to the sleeker Other M design we got in Sm4sh and Ultimate, largely because this is cannonically how the SA-X appears. Samus, on the other hand, I imagine having 2 different costumes with 4 colors each: the Fusion Suit and the Dread Suit. Both would have their power, varia, and gravity color schemes, but I imagine the Fusion suit's last one would be the Omega suit, while the Dread suit could either have the 4th be based on Raven beak, or a certain other suit I don't wanna spoil for anyone who hasn't beaten Dread. With these new costumes, it also means that there won't be confusion over whether someone is playing SA-X or Samus in a fight, since the Dread and Fusion suits are visually distinct from the classic power suit design.
@@Metal_Blake Samus in Smash fills a unique feel than the other zoners, that I think represents her character more than her games. Other zoners are NOT good neutral characters, but Samus has strong options for when characters get on her. She's got a lot of knock back on these moves too, which I would say is a nod to her alien blood, the chozo, increasing her physical abilities. One of her best kill options is STILL her Screw Attack despite the flack you gave her for it, which is true for the games. It's probably a stretch, but that's how I see it at least. She's a character I enjoy a lot, and have for a long time. And the connections are close enough to make her feel like "Samus," imo.
That transition to the “know your moves” is probably one of the coolest ones I’ve seen.
I like how the ending is showing the costume origins now. They don’t take up too much time, but important information isn’t lost
I love how at 11:50 Alax turns Bill Cosby mode on
I say give her a new way to dodge things like how she can dodge more significantly in other m. It would in the same fashion as mythra's foresight, and give her the counter move she has in dread and let's not forget how she can get multiple enemies in fully charged shot in other m. That can be a better improvement to her Neutral special.
"How would I fix Samus?"
Duke of Dorks: *It's Showtime*
I think it’d be cool if she got a third jump where she did a space jump animation
Props for using Brinstar Greens as background music.
“May I introduce the namesake of the series. The Metroids.” (Zooms in on Samus) “Not. Her.”
Metroid Dread “are you sure about that?”
I'm surprised you didn't say anything about zero suit's whip which she doesn't use in games. Also I wish Samus' jab was changed to the melee counter from Samus Returns and Dread
The whip is a reference the Reptilicus Hunters from Prime 3.
Pretty neat video, though a few comments on things:
Samus has received small, though noticeable changes throughout the smash games that do affect her playstyle. In Melee, if you trigger a bomb jump, you can act immediately out of it. If you use a bomb next to an opponent (or their shield), it will immediately explode, triggering bomb jump. I don’t know about 64/Brawl, but what this does mean is Samus actually has a lot of great offensive pressure, especially if you score a knockdown on a platform, because you’ll almost always be plus.
Neutral Air was changed from Brawl onwards to a double kick, from a single outstretched kick. Not the biggest fan of this change personally, but it does let Samus’s nair be safer on shield if you land both hits, meaning you could potentially follow up with something safer up close.
At least from my personal perspective, getting hit by Samus up-tilt feels like one of the most impactful moves you can get hit with, in terms of sheet aesthetic oomph
She’s a zoner, but she can absolutely fight up close and personal
I’d be interested in seeing a series about reimagining early fights as if they were newcomers.
Some character representation just isn’t accurate.
Some Changes that would go a long way to make Samus much more Unique
Jab - Replaces her Neutral Special and allows her to roam and shoot freely. Also allows her to use Charge Beam while moving and hold it while moving. The Charge Shot is no longer as big.
Jumps - Samus now has Five Midair Jumps but controls similarly to Space Jump making it a bit more awkward.
Side Special - Able to Switch Between Standard, Ice, and Super Missiles. Standard Missile fires at a much faster pace, Only a bit slower than her regular shot. They also deal much more damage. Ice Missiles Go at the Same Speed as Standard Missiles but do little damage and just freeze the opponent. Super Missiles go slower than the Standard Missiles but deal heavy damage.
Grab Attack - Grabs Enemy by the Neck Area and does Drain Damage, healing herself.
Grab - Grappling Beam is now one fast straight shot instead of a flexible slower shot
Down Special - Able To Switch Between Bombs and Power Bombs. Bombs now do way more damage and give Samus an iffy way to Bomb Jump. Power Bombs are used by holding Down Special and charging it. Once fully charged lets out a bigger explosion. Easily Counterable.
Shield - Instead of Normally Shielding, Samus turns into her Morph Bomb Form making her a much smaller hitbox. She can no longer Shield. In Morph Ball form, she can roll across the stage and still use bombs.
Final Smash - Samus' Ship Laser Beam (Cinematic)
Some cool ideas are in here for sure, but others seem like they sacrifice a character being playable or balanced in favor of just accuracy to the character. In my eyes, that's a shitty idea. In my opinion, with Smash Bros, the goal should always be to keep usability and game balance while also representing the character. Too far in either direction, in my eyes, only results in problems. Too far towards representing the character? I feel I don't even need to bring up the Belmonts or Inkling. Too far towards game balancing and usability? Mario. By stabilizing both ends, I feel like the problems become way more reduced both in quantity and power.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 I feel the characters that represent their series the best, are the ones from Fighting games, Arcade like games, or Hero, Steve, and Banjo where the games allow a simple way to use an inventory System. You can check out Duke of Dorks Smash tier list for more detail. He really does not care about Balance.
akshually: Samus does not get her suit destroyed in Zero Mission, she just looses the ability to keep it active. The suit is actually integrated with her and can't be removed nor destroyed that easily
The suit is connected to her brain and requires a great deal of concentration and temperance to keep working, so much than a normal person could never be able to pull off (hence why only her can use the suit) even doubt or some fear can cause the suit to come apart and become uncontrollable
She was trained since she was a child in an inhospitable enviroment. In zero mission she feels real vulnerability for the first time as her ship is taken down and can't concentrate enough to activate it
This is actually only the case *after* she gets the upgraded suit in Zero Mission from the weird Chozo ritual. The original suit is entirely different and pretty much like those old 70s/80s cartoon space suit designs. Hence why it sounds hollow and plasticky in Zero Mission. In Super Metroid it doesn't sound like that anymore because it just straight up isn't metal anymore, it's all made of biological materials. Hence why the SA-X in Fusion can totally steal and consume what's left of the outer shell of the suit and it's equipment.
@@thomased22legoyodagaming Samus's Plasma whip is base on the energy whip used by the Reptilicus hunters in Prime 3. Her heels is basically an alternative version of the Screw attack.
Samus' Final Smash should be her leaving the planet and it just explodes on its own.
Ngl, Know your moves has to still be one of my favorite series on youtube.
She should at least be able to jump mid air with the space jump/screw attack a few times before falling. Kind of like Kirby's floaty jump.
"Yoshi had his spine replaced" is now stuck in my head
Wanna know what is the second most goose bumps inducing song? Bird That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap.
"Those bombs that don't do much" he says, those things are the core of my game plan when playing Samus.
I guess you could also argue that if she was more accurate. She’d be broken as hell
That can be said for a lot of characters.
I also agree that Samus should be able to jump infinitely in two separate ways, have a screenwide dash attack, bombs that permanently destroy terrain, and a screw attack that kills at 0% all while being able to charge her neutral b while moving, crouching and on ledges
20:06 Link in Ultimate isn't at all a close representation of Breath of The Wild. Sure they changed his look, but mechanically and design-wise he's still nearly identical to how he is in the rest of the games
Honestly the remote bomb alone makes him feel so much more like BotW imo. Yeah there’s no references like champions abilities or weapon durability. But the creativity and simplicity of all the crazy stuff you can do with the bomb is exactly the spirit of BotW. It’s one mechanic that can be interacted with in many different ways
Metroid Series Samus: Quick AF, Super Powerful, has a personality and is a badass
Smash Series Samus: Literally makes Robot noises
So based on this video I can gather that you want Samus to...
- Have the majority of her normals as projectiles (and they have to be full projectiles, "projectile-simulating physical fireballs" are off limits)
- Have a fully invincible UpB that goes way higher than it does now, also has a horizontal variant, and has extreme kill power
- Have an invincible dash attack that covers the entire stage
- Have omni-directional aiming on her neutral special which would become a rapid-fire or projectile, possibly with a charge mode on top of that
- Have a quick-fire straight line projectile that does, say, 10% damage with a smash variant that does at least 20% damage (because "only 12% is lame"). And it's also aimable.
- Shrink her hitbox to Pichu size at will and drop bombs that hit half the screen
- Have an instant ranged grab
- Have a projectile that freezes enemies for easy combos
Absolutely, cut and print, wonderful character that's definitely not completely broken and horribly annoying to fight against in any way. To quote a certain spiffy British fellow, that sounds perfectly balanced with no exploits.
Like, could they do more with her moveset? Absolutely. I don't agree with her having *all* projectiles (and I'm fine with the fireball smashes personally as facsimile for close range gun shots), but in the current Smash landscape with characters like Mega Man she could have a couple normals changed to projectiles. But half of the comments in this video basically being "why isn't it as good as it is in Metroid?!" illustrates pretty clearly that she would be broken as hell if she was a 1-to-1 representation of how she plays in her source games. Samus is amazingly strong in Metroid once she gets all her upgrades. Easily one of the strongest characters of anyone in Smash, just going by her in-game abilities and how she plays in her games. Because that's the kind of series Metroid is, it's a series where you come across obstacles you can't pass and you're weak and outclassed then you get upgrades and by the end of the game you're an unstoppable 1-woman killing machine.
There's gotta be balance somewhere, because you can't have an unstoppable killing machine in a fighting game. Because Samus feels so strong in her games and a fighting game needs to be balanced, the result is that she can never feel that strong in Smash as she does in Metroid. And that's just kind of the nature of the character I think. You can make her more interesting, more accurate, but she's never going to be perfectly representative because her being an overpowered one woman army is kind of central to the feel of the character.
I will always stand by the opinion that Sakurai was actually just a fan of Monty Oum and just got the idea for Samus' jet boots from his viral Haloid animation back in the day, it's the earliest reference I can find
There she is. The one I've been waiting for ever since this series came into existence.
you'd think samus crouching in the ball would be a good idea, until you realize that it'd be about half the size of pichu
As far as the Link transition is concerned, they actually _did_ keep his standard setup... with Young Link. That worked because the original moveset was made with Ocarina in mind, and that's Young Link's entire reference point. Samus... didn't have a similar "out" to introduce a new moveset while keeping the old one.
You say that, but she has Dark Samus who has an identical moveset, even though by all means she shouldn't have. At that point, let's face it, they just didn't really care.
@@marzipancutter8144 Maybe Samus is so overpowered in her games that she had to be nerfed?????
@@orangeslash1667 That would be a tuning issue, not a kit one. Samus gets to have a lot of abilities by the end of her games, but you don't need to take them away to balance them, just tone their strength. Making her kit full of the same original moves that were given to Captain Falcon is not a way to "nerf" someone.
@@marzipancutter8144 Brawler characters like Captain Falcon are easy to balance, sadly the same can't be said for zoners. You see Samus is not known for close combat in her games, so Sakurai gave her physical attacks, but it also came with the cost of changing and taking away her projectiles. Another problem is weight, the only thing that is keeping Sephiroth from being over powered is the fact that he is as light as Kirby😅. Since Samus is heavy weight, it's not possible to improve Samus without making her lighter. Not every character in Smash can be exactly as powerful as their games, I'm looking at YOU Bayonetta, Sora, and Olimar.
@@orangeslash1667 Balance is NOT a good argument to explain how badly Samus is represented in her Moveset.
There's a huge difference between making her more powerful and making her more faithful, and the two can be done independently.
You're just making excuses, and poor ones at that.
There's several characters in this game who fill the same Zoner archetype while having both better Normals and also being easily able to out-projectile Samus because of how slow she fires. Hell, there's Rushdown chars whose only projectile can overpower Samus whole arsenal.
There's really no reason for Samus to be the way she is other than a lack of care.
I feel it should be mentioned that her Smash Neutral B, could've inspired the Omega Cannon that Samus uses in Dread to destroy the EMMIs after defeating the miniboss of that area. It pre-charges and when fully charged, she shoots a giant ball of energy towards the enemy and she can't move while charging it, similar to Smash (But not 1 to 1, obviously)
But that's an unsure, and I get why Alax wouldn't have mentioned it and felt it was not worth pointing out, if he noticed, tbh.
They could totally give Samus her power bombs. It could be just like Sephiroths giant explosion attack where you have to hold down the button for like five seconds.
In all honesty, if (and when) we get a new Smash game I’d rather see old characters get redesigns if it meant less newcomers.
Ultimate took a lot of focus on fan-servicing meelee fans (since they where the only ones that where still unhappy with the games), that's why they didn't risk to rethink most characters
So now that they have ultimate i hope the next game can do something else. If they don't like it they can go back to ultimate like they did with meelee and everything's solved
Why??
Nah, it's not that seriouS
Removing lots of characters & making big changes to the old ones at the same time just sounds like a good way to kill the series. It would likely end up feeling like nearly every character got cut since even the old ones wouldn't have their old movesets.
@@D_YellowMadness This is because Smash players are way too nostalgic
Usually when they re-release a game and fix the stuff people celebrate, Smash players start crying because they can't perform a 3 button combo whos' only purpose is to swag or skip the very much intended start up movement animations and save less frames than they know what to do with
They change Samus' Up Smash into the Melee Counter, let it reflect projectiles like Min Min's Up Smash
I feel like they should rearrange her whole moveset. Move Samus' grab animation to a tether up b, move the screw attack to be a kill move nair, make her crouch the morph ball and her down tilt the bomb, make side b the dash attack so you can hold it forward as much as you like, make neutral B a omnidireccional regular laser that she can use while moving and change down b to be like min min's, where she switches her neutral B between small lasers, missiles and her charge beam
finally her new dash attack could be her Metroid Dread melee counter (and if you want to, give it super armor or something so it actually works like a counter)
Man, Keeps must love rubbing salt in the “You don’t have head hair” wound if they keep sponsoring you.
Love your videos Alax! There’s not a lot of channels that are as creative as you!
I've been waiting for this for quite a while, thanks for doing the series justice even if Sakurai won't. I'd love to hear your extended thoughts on dread but that's up to you. Can't wait for the next vid!
Eh, Ganondorf is still easily the worst represented character in Smash.
Totally. Though it would probably be hard to implement Dead Man's Volley
@@BJGvideos Not really. It can use a similar homing system to Samus' regular missiles and can be reflected by attacks like King Dedede's Gordos.
It’s not a competition but ok
@@SonicTheCutehog The Zelda Wiki confirms that Ganon is called the Gerudo King of Thieves. So Maybe Ganon used the Triforce of Power to steal Caption Falcons Move-set??? Think of the Monstars from Space Jam it's kinda like that.
Ice Missiles have only been in the series since Fusion and now Dread when you weren't able to use the Ice Beam because of the Metroid DNA that makes you unable to use the Ice Beam
It’s sad that Smash 4’s Dark Samus’ assist trophy is a better representations the series than all four of the current playable Metroid reps. Prime has been my favorite game series ever since I can remember and I honestly wish Dark Samus stayed as a trophy or wasn’t even included in Smash Ultimate, that’s how bad they’ve screwed up.
Little side note: Check out Brawl Minus, it’s similar to Project M but a lot of the moves are changed drastically. Samus can actually change her beam and middle attacks to ice variations with her taunt.
I love this series so much. Every time I see the thumbnail I get so happy
Alright, So i'm gonna throw my hat into the ring on how Samus could be updated, but i'll try to keep this brief. I still feel like her Charge Shot would be a huge part of her game plan, but it would have multiple applications in her move set. To start off, I imagine her having a similar gimmick to Byleth where different directions have a different weapon. Neutral would be the Power Beam, Foreward would be Plasma, Down would be Ice, and Up would be Wave. These would all have slightly different properties like Ice being slower but can freeze, Plasma being the most powerful and can pierce, and Wave has the largest reach.
And now for the charge shot. Her charge shot would still charge up like normal, but maybe you can still move but not attack. The big new thing would be that other moves can consume her charge to become more powerful. Her Neutral Special would be about the same. Her Down Smash would work like her down tilt, but with the Ice Beam. When charged, it has a wider area and will always freeze. Her Forward Smash would be this sort range piercing blast (Think sort of like that Shotgun custom move in Smash 4), and charged up it would go further to about a mid range. Her up Smash would be similar to her current one, and charged it would shoot a wide cone-shaped projectile above her. I feel like this could apply to her Missiles and Super Missiles as well.
The other big change that could happen would be to replace her Down B with a the Arm Counter in the recent Metroid games. Instead of being a traditional counter, this would cause Samus to dash forward with an uppercut, allowing her to perform a unique follow up if you intercept an attack. Additionally, this would charge you a little bit, allowing you to get your Charge Shot up from being more aggressive.
I don't feel like Smaus would a complete rushdown character with how much she shoots thing in Metorid games. I've always felt like Metroid games have this feeling where you need to bob and weave in and out of danger to get as many shots in as possible. I feel like this gameplay style of constantly needing to keep your charge up while playing chicken with danger would fit Samus pretty well.
Moving while Charging used to sound ridiculous to me but then they made Steve. Although, if I had to choose, I'd rather no one can do it and Steve didn't exist than everyone getting a moving charge shot.
Also, it's a crime how she couldn't at least get that acrobatic dunking on opponents in her throws.
@@marzipancutter8144 I feel like 3rd party characters have to be faithful to their games. With Nintendo characters, Sakurai is allowed to take some liberties.
@@orangeslash1667 Not really, otherwise Snake would have gun. It's really just that Sakurais design philosophy changed over the years, with him daring to make new additions increasingly non-traditional and more representative. It's not a bad thing, but it makes older characters look increasingly out-of-place.
@@marzipancutter8144 Fun Fact: Metal Gear was originally going to be an over the top action game, the only reason why it was changed to stealth was because on the limitations of the MSX. Snake was also in a fighting game before Smash Bros called Dream Mix TV. The reason you never heard of it is because it was never released outside of Japan.
If you think about it, Samus is actually Metroid now, in Metroid Fusion she has metroid DNA, and after Metroid Dread, she learns to control her metroid powers and becomes the ultimate warrior after defeating Raven Beak (in Chozo language "metroid" means ultimate warrior)
lmao, I know alax knows this, but Samus’ up tilt is just captain falcon’s so that they could save storage on the 64. Even Luigi’s voice in that game is just Mario’s voice clips sped up.
to be fair, in megaman you can hold charge forever like metroid but his mega buster charge is a smash, requiring him to stand still
man we need more videos revolving around the more interesting characters of the roster
Samus Rework, let's go:
New redesign will be her Dread Outfit. Best selling game in the series by a country mile, so her new outfit should reflect this.
Jab: same
Dash Attack: running Melee counter from Dread.
Aerials, Tilts, Grabs and Smashes: Keep (Samus isnt exactly known for her close quarters combat).
New Special Moveset:
B: Power Beam/Charge Attack. Rapidly press the button to continuously fire her beam. Low damage with little hitstun like Falco Laser. Hold the Button to store a charge shot. Full charge will be weaker than full charge currently in Smash (new full charge will be as strong as current Samus 1/2-2/3 charge). Samus can move at slightly reduced running speed while firing, but can only fire in front of her (Similar to Banjo)
Side B: Slide Morph. Samus slides toward her opponent, gaining intangibility for the duration and a weak Dash Attack. If the button is held, Samus rolls up into her morph ball, becoming smaller and faster. While rolling, Samus can plant up to 3 bombs at once with the A button. Press the B button at any time to Unmorph. Side B to make it feel more natural as a movement/evasive ability (which Dread finally allowed up to do with the slide/morph button)
Down B: Swap to Missiles. Samus replaces her Beam B to Missiles. Regular missiles have a slower rate of fire than her Beam and no longer home, but travel slightly faster than her current ones. Hold to charge an Ice Missile, which keeps the speed of her current Super Missiles. Getting hit by an Ice Missiles freezes the opponent in place, but has no Knockback (like Ice Climbers). Frozen targets hit by her dash or smash attacks while frozen take 15-20% more knockback to reference the freeze-kill trick and allow kill setups lost by charge beam being weaker. Refire Down B to swap back to beam. Samus has to swap between Missiles and her Beam in cannon, and Min Min showed us that a character can be made to use a special move specifically to modify her other special moves.
Up B: Screw Attack. Basically Imagine Rosalina Launch Star, with a Screw Attack Hitbox while traveling.
Dark Samus will be kept the same due to her current Moveset being more reflective of the Prime games than the 2D ones, and to keep her as a legacy character like Young Link was for the Link reworked.
Starting to notice a pattern with the Smash 64 cast honestly.
It's like all of these were either great or at least ok at the time and just got worse due to retcons and new stuff every time, most of which simply couldn't fit with the playstyles they were originally conceived with back when there were only as many characters as, like, 8 (12 if including lastminute extras).
The only thing that's really 100% missing in Samus in Smash 64 is the Ice Beam which was maybe considered a spoiler
Samus should use the shinespark as her down special. It would work like how it works in dread where you have a second to aim it before you shoot off. If you use it on the ground you dash forward with a constant hit box like Wario bike but you can't turn around and a bit faster. Pressing down again will activate the areal down special. Also I'd make the up special work like jokers grapple with the graple beam and make the screw attack the neutral air. Make her neutral special a free aim like dread and her side special a hard hitting super missile with no free aim. Also also her forward tilt is the melee counter. It has super armor and reflects projectiles.
I'm honestly surprised they haven't given her any ice moves at all, despite it being such a big thing in her home series and the fact that we only have like four characters in the entire Smash roster that use ice attacks, and three of them only use ice attacks because they happen to be a spell they can use. The fact that Samus can't actually defeat a Metroid assist trophy without the use of a Mr Freeze or something is just insulting.
21:00 Yellow Magic Orchestra outta no where??!???!?
What if Samus had Kazuya style grabs where the camera zoomed in to show her choking, mauling, draining you with her Metroid hand.
Samus's agility without the suit is first displayed in the canon manga.
I as a big fan of the metroid series I think that smash ultimate could have had a crawl animation for Samus but when she crawls she goes into the morph ball
Up B as a kill move would be very suitable on a zoner.
That's like Flash Kick 101.
Samus should be finishing opponents with the Morph Ball.
i think nintendo really missed the opportunity to make samus' victory screens her taking off her helmet or giving a thumbs up or just incorporating that she is zero suit like in the endings of metroid games
While I do agree Samus needs an update like what Mario and Link have gotten in the past, I think Ultimate did a lot to make her feel better. The universal change of charging her beam in midair and canceling it with a jump helps her be a bit more mobile with her charge beam, Screw Attack is a great out of shield option and a respectable kill move, which helps it feel like it's got a semblance of the power it has in the base games... She can't bomb jump but she can stall and change her aerial momentum with them, so they can help her in her recovery.
I agree her missiles should pack more of a punch and maybe they could implement an ammo system for her missiles to compensate for the increase in fire power. Maybe a base missile is only slightly weaker than a full-charged Charge Beam shot, and a super missile is stronger but uses up more of her missile count. Maybe she can get more by KOing an opponent, getting KO'd, and a special input where she uses her charge beam charge to instead regain more missiles. It's still not entirely accurate, but it would keep her true to her current playstyle while adding a new element that changes the character's playstyle to better reflect their character.
Honestly id change Samus to be more akin to her Dread version, however keep Dark Samus as she is to keep this Samus in.
If they made a revamped Smash Bros 64 that gave all the 64 characters new movesets, reverted the hitstun and made it to be a competitive game I would play it everyday
"The Metroids" (looks at Samus) "Not her"
Little did he know how wrong he was
So I’m just going to come up with a few fixes to the specials for samus (with power suit)
Neutral special: I’m going to take from prime 1 for this one. When neutral special is chosen, a small circle of 4 options appear around the player with the following options
Power beam: a quick charging shot that deals good damage (like the current one but a bit faster)
Wave beam: a little slower charging speed and deals less overall damage, but follows enemies (like current missiles) and can stun them for a little bit
Ice beam: the slowest charging beam, dealing damage like power beam, but a fully charged shot can freeze enemies
Plasma beam: a moderate charging speed with high damage, but not much range
Side special: no reason to give ice missiles since I’m representing ice beam in neutral special, but the only change I would make is likely more damage for super missiles
Up special. Screw attack can stay, but I would give it more horizontal mobility. (Also should mention on the topic of jumps, 3 weaker mid air jumps instead of 1 solid mid air jump)
Down special: switch to morph ball form which has its own move set of specials
Morph ball neutral: normal bombs. 3 on screen at a time but you can bomb jump with them
Morph ball side special: boost ball, dealing damage to enemies it runs into
Morph ball up special: one big power bomb, big damage but can’t use normal bombs while the power bomb is going off and has a large reload speed
This I feel fits samus more (sorry this feels like if samus was a DLC character)
Suggested solution:
Create a new metroid and use the smash moveset to make it canon
I suppose I'd better design a new moveset for Samus for Super Smash Bros., drawing inspiration from more recent Metroid games, especially Metroid Dread (but also Metroid Prime):
Basically, Samus's main gimmick would be that she constantly spams projectiles from a distance, even while moving, and even while in the air, much like Mega Man. Unlike Mega Man, Samus can switch between using her weaker Power Beam (which can charge into a Charge Beam) and her stronger Missiles (which can charge into Cluster Missiles) with Neutral-B, but can only use her Missiles if she still has ammo for them. (If not, she'll automatically switch back to using her Power Beam/Charge Beam.) Samus can gain more missiles as she successfully lands hits on her opponents.
To help her keep her distance from opponents, Samus can toggle in and out of her Morph Ball form with Down-B. While in her Morph Ball form, Samus can drop Morph Bombs, Diffusion Bombs, and even a Power Bomb (if she has one available, which recharges slowly). Samus can also use her Speed Boost with Side-B while on the ground for quick getaways (or for quickly closing the distance), which turns into Flash Step if she uses Side-B while in the air, which allows her to quickly put some distance between her and incoming attacks. Finally, at close distances, she can counter with her Smash attacks, or knock enemies away in an instant with her Screw Attack by pressing Up-B, which she can do up to 5 times.
- Neutral-A, Side-A, Up-A, Up-Side-A, Neutral-A-Air, Side-A-Air, Up-A-Air, Up-Side-A-Air, Down-A-Air, Down-Side-A-Air: Rapid-fire Power Beam shots (or Missiles if toggled on) in various directions. (Power Beam shots do minor damage that might not even cause flinching in opponents.) Hold A to charge up for a Charge Beam shot (or a Cluster Missile), which, unlike old Samus's Charge Beam, wouldn't be anymore damaging than most other fighters' Side-A attacks (much like how the Charge Beam isn't even close to being Samus's most powerful move in her games. Heck, even her missiles are more powerful than this).
- Down-A: Slide kick, like in Metroid Dread (and like Mega Man's slide kick).
- Side-A-Smash, Up-A-Smash: Counter, where Samus performs a mediocre-damaging swipe (even for a Smash Attack) that, if it hits an enemy's melee attack (like with other characters' counter moves), negates the damage to Samus, and allows Samus to then blast the enemy with a Charge Shot (like in Metroid Dread and Metroid: Samus Returns).
- Down-A-Smash: Sweep kick that can hit enemies in front of and behind Samus, same as old Samus.
- Side-A-Dash: Shoulder tackle (same as old Samus).
- Neutral-B: Toggle between Power Beam/Charge Beam and Missiles/Cluster Missiles when performing A attacks. While in this mode, Samus emits a laser, which would cause opponents painted by it to be targeted, causing Missiles to home in on them (like in Metroid Dread). Missiles are limited in number (10 max), and if Samus runs out, she'll automatically switch back to using her Power Beam/Charge Beam. However, missiles can be regained as Samus attacks opposing players. Holding down A will charge for a Cluster Missile (a-la Metroid Dread), which would be at least as devastating as any other character's Smash Attack (and probably more deadly than Samus's old Charge Beam), but would cost 5 missiles.
- Side-B: Flash Shift/Speed Boost: Allows Samus to perform a quick dash in midair, which would do no damage, or to charge up for a speed boost while on the ground, which would knock enemies away on contact (similar to Palutena's Super Speed skill from Super Smash Bros 4). Press down to enter Shine Spark mode, where if Samus jumps, causes her to charge up for a second before performing a devastatingly-powerful (comparable to when Ness hits himself with PK Thunder, turning himself into a devastatingly-powerful missile) dash attack in any direction (with limited, though still long, range to prevent accidental KOs off-screen, like with Marth's Final Smash).
- Up-B: Screw Attack: Allows Samus to jump up to 5 additional times as a spinning ball of harm (similar to the Metroid Prime games), knocking enemies away on contact (instead of trapping them in a damaging combo, like with old Samus).
- Down-B: Morph Ball: Change into a Morph Ball. Press B or Shield (regardless of direction) to exit. While in Morph Ball Form, press A to drop Morph Balls, and Jump to jump. Hold down A slightly to charge up for dropping a Diffusion Bomb (like in Metroid Dread), which has a cross-shaped blast area. Hold down even further, while there is a Power Bomb available in the inventory (recharges slowly over time, not available at start, much like the Wario Waft), to drop a Power Bomb, which would explode like a Smart Bomb item after a second.
- Shield-B: While on the ground, toggles Samus into 360-degree aiming mode, where (like in Metroid Dread and Metroid: Samus Returns) she's stationary, but can aim in 360 degrees, and fire with her Power Beam/Missiles, and charge up for her Charge Beam/Cluster Missiles. Press B to switch between Power Beam/Charge Shot and Missiles/Cluster Missiles, and press Shield or Jump to exit this mode.
- Shield-Side: Samus Flash Shifts to dodge enemy attacks while on the ground (instead of rolling into a Morph Ball).
- Shield-Down, Shield-Air: Standard dodge (same as old Samus, plus every other playable character in Super Smash Bros), though she uses her newly-acquired Cloaking ability from Metroid Dread.
- Grab, Grab-Air: Grapple Beam (same as old Samus).
- Final Smash: Hyper Beam (same as old Samus).
- Neutral-B (Kirby Copy Ability): Kirby switches to firing Missiles with the A button, even while in midair (like Samus), can also charge up for firing a Cluster Missile, can jump (like many characters wielding heavy firearms like the Cracker Launcher from Brawl, or the Hammer), and can switch back to his normal moveset by pressing either B or Shield. However, unlike Samus, Kirby would lose his Copy Ability if he runs out of missiles, and he can't replenish his dwindling missile supply by attacking opposing players.
Imagine not having a canon physical attack for 31 years.
For a second near the end I was like 'You gonna talk about Raven Beak being a potential future Smash character~??' And then I laughed and cried
I think sonic in the “Know Your Moves” series would be really funny considering how similar his moves are on the spectrum of what they look like and what they’re based off of.
@Wah Person oh. I didn’t know that thank you!
@@stubish5582 Sonic's down B spin dask is like any other spin desk, but Side B spin dash is a reference to Sonic CD where it only kills robots. In it smash the side B Spin dash lets you be invincible for one second.
Samus should switch between Regular Beam,Ice Beam and Wave Beam.
Dark Samus's charge beam should charge larger but pierce through enemies.
Samus is like a La'Croix flavored fighter in Smash. She's just a hint of her true self.
With the Morph Ball being as important as it is in the series, I've always wanted for Samus to be able to switch in and out of Morph Ball mode with Down B.
It would essentially work like Zelda/Sheik in Melee. Even though it would technically be considered a different fighter according to the game's internal logic, it would be limited in what it could do to separate it from other fighters. It moves kinda slow and can't grab ledges or pick up items (obviously). If you get hit with a strong attack or get caught in a Multi-Jab, it forcefully changes you back to Samus. It can jump, but not very high, and it gets only one jump. The "jab" and "tilts" would be a regular bomb so that you could roll or jump around while planting bombs at the same time. The bombs are moderately strong and you can bomb jump, but you can only plant three at a time like in the Prime games to prevent infinite jumping.
Neutral B would charge a Power Bomb, kinda like in Other M. It would be very powerful, but it has a long charge time and won't go off unless it fully charges. Its range would be comparable to the Star Fox bomb item.
Side B would be the Boost Ball. It would send you flying in a small arc in either direction and it would deal damage like in Prime 2. If you hit a foe or wall, you'll bounce off. It can be used in the air too.
In Metroid Dread, if you hit the counter button while in Morph Ball, Samus will un morph and counter while doing a sick backflip. That would be the Morph Ball's Up B. It wouldn't be an actual counter like Marth's. It would just deal damage and could combo directly into Samus's Up B.
Down B switches between forms without doing the backflip counter. You can change forms very quickly like with Pyra and Mythra. The Ball has a lower profile than Samus if she was crouching, meaning you could morph to dodge certain attacks.
The weirdest thing the Ball could do is grab opponents. It uses the Spider Ball to latch onto the front of an opponent and you could lay bombs while latched on. You can also charge a Power Bomb while latched on, and if the opponent's damage is high enough, they will be grabbed long enough for a full charge, basically ensuring a kill.
11:06 I used to play a version of PM where samus' up taunt changed from "normal beam" to "Ice beam" and her melee attacks changed instead of the b moves. omg, that version of samus was wicked. you had dashing disjointed hitboxes, shoruken uppercuts, and wicked fast aerials with a lot of good range/damage/coverage. ice samus was a boss b and I miss her so much 😢
11:46 to 12:23 was legit fucking hilarious i will not lie i absolutely love that whole part
the way alax's voice just gives up and gets higher as he's in complete shock and the "what's a human special move? FU CKIN G WAL KI NG???" and the fucking sonic music with the old people stock photo
just
beautiful
23:52 that’s actually supposed to be a reference to botwoon, the water snake mini boss in maridia in super Metroid