Starfleet's Response to Assimilation
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- When the Borg assimilate a person or vessel, they gain the technology and knowledge that officer knew. Starfleet therefore needs to have protocol's in place to deal with a lost vessel or officer so let's speculate on what those might be.
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A few books have the "Borg Protocol" where the ship itself will cause a high energy warp core breach that can cause a subspace tear to hopefully destroy the Borg ship with it.
Another book from the early 2000s had the Federation losing to the Borg, so to save everyone they used the Omega molecule to destroy subspace in the Alpha and Beta quadrants, it sent everyone back to prewarp but without subspace even the borg couldn't get anywhere.
Yeah but now they doomed the entire half of the galaxy because while the borg cant get anywhere fast they have the ability to just cruise forever till they get there
@@Domjot5569Right but they bought the other half time to advance tech beyond Borg capacity. Borh rarely innovate so by the time a Cube gets to a couple of planets which could take decades the galaxy is ready to defend itself.
It still boggles the mind that the crew of voyager didn't even think that when they agreed to send their captian, chief of security and chief engineer on to a cube to get makeovers, that there wasn't a posssibility that the borg would get their access codes eventually. Which they did. As soon as the doctor said there was a problem with Tuvok, the _FIRST THING_ Chakotay should have realised was "Oh shit, he knows our command codes. Wipe them!"
But _no_ his first order to Paris is "Get us into their weapons range."
I adore the show but "Didn't think it through" was always Voyager's M.O.
ironcially I think because of how issolated they were actually played to their advantage, at best their codes would have been outdated by the time the borg could have used it, cause star fleet was advancing past the point they were at.
Voyager has its good point, but strong writing wasn't one of them.
@@mrsamaritan6881 yeah remember when voyager was seen as bad or weak… I miss those days the standard has dropped
@@SuperGamefreak18 I guess the codes where all deleted immediately by SF command....as she was lost without a trace, there's the possibility that she fell into the wrong hands
A nice little overview!
Considering how broken my brain is I'd give a whole cube crippling depression.
If they assimilated me , the entire cube would have an instant cocaine addiction
Believe it or not A romulan did just that with there fear and depression about artifical life in the Picard series.
The most important information a captain has is the number of lights there are.
There are four lights!!
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The Battle of Earth Space Dock in Picard S3 will need lots of therapists. The fleet's older commanders summarily xcuted by surviving younger officers during their temporary assimilation, traumatized officers who need to step into those open command roles. Not to mention un-portrayed atrocities on other Sol system worlds' surfaces and facilities.
But they renamed the Titan, so they can move forward just fine...
There will be big time scars and trauma to sort through. I would imagine Admiral Crusher to update the fleet's medical protocol to accommodate mandatory psychological screening, treatment, and separation from duty (if needed) for the whole fleet. The Borg did not just assimilated the entire fleet without anyone noticing, they seriously tanked ESD and almost assimilated Earth. No enemy, in the history of Starfleet, did so much so quickly.
A giant middle finger to the assimilating threat...
Perfect line
Talking about needing therapy and rehab after being assimilated, I adore what happens in the last episode of Picard, when the junior officers are freed from the collective, the first thing is that Seven immediately hugs Sidney LaForge. The one person there would who understand the trauma and helplessness.
Adding Borg tech to their ships.... I know Picard had a couple of decades of untold tales behind it, but maybe Starfleet should have focused on advancing that Borg one-shot-kill tech Janeway brought back with her instead.
They did. Project "Full Circle" was dedicated to the analysis of the advanced tech given to them by future!Janeway. I don't know how much of it was in widespread use by the time of the Picard series though.
Wouldn’t using the tech Janeway brought be violating the Temporal Prime Directive?
@@jayrabbitgamingproductions7335 Yes. The Department Of Temporal Investigations would have taken all the tech and classified it from the records, then destroyed, and it would have started the very moment Voyager docked at Earth Space Dock.
@@shauntempley9757 In theory DTI would've just classified the tech until the appropriate time. Considering that Voyager didn't take 70 years to get home in the original timeline, by the dawn of the 25th century that information would've been released to Starfleet's development facilities. In the novels Transphasic Torpedoes were held as a last resort stand off weapon since deploying them as regular weapons would've created a possibility that they would've been proliferated to their enemies or worse assimilated by the Borg.
@@3Rayfire I remember hearing that given the Borg Threat & shorter timeframe involved, Starfleet waived the TPI and gave contemporaries, including the Klingons Transphasic Torpedoes. The Tech existed for Transphasic Phasers & Shields, but they were massive energy hogs enough to not really be practical. Starfleet was VERY careful with Transphasic tech, and the Klingons, less so. Eventually the Borg adapted.
I wonder if assimilating Klingons is harder, given that they would likely just start committing kamikaze level suicide by ramming a cube with birds of prey. We see evidence of this with Worf in First Contact. A bunch of ships warping into a cube seem like they would be pretty effective.
Yeah I'm always confused why they always seem to ram at impulse speed. Warp engines would give one hell of an increased impact.
@Firecul probably because warp is in another dimension, and can't hit anything unless it has MASSIVE gravity.
@@valeon7303 I've never seen warp described as being in a different dimension before. Do you have a canon reference I can watch about that?
@@Firecul I honestly thought it was so they could more easily detonate the warp core while lodged inside the enemy ship, thus dealing more damage.
Remember when the Borg got Voyager's access code after assimilating Tuvok and then installed a sunroof in the saucer? I think you just put more thought into this video than the Voyager's writers ever put in to any of their scripts.
Great vid! I would have thought the Chief Medical Officer relieving the assimilated crew members of their duties or command and entering that in their log would be swift way to shut down codes etc. from compromised crew?
I had a similar thought. Listing a crew member as KIA or some other state should deactivate their authorizations? At least for future systems access?
"Admiral, what is the first thing you do if you lose a starship to the Borg?"
"Well, the first thing I do is cancel my credit cards and then change my passwords to my email accounts."
Dude, you’ve got to get your safeguarding report in. Worry about the legal ramifications first.
@@Meritania My Ferengi broker at the Latinum exchange takes care of that and as for legal issues, I have the best Vulcan law-firm on retainer.
"Sponsored by incogni"
And change the code on my luggage!
Had a Star Trek TTRPG game once where the captain was an Andorian who survived the Battle of Wolf 359, served for a long time on a classified joint Federation-Klingon Anti-Borg task force, then when given the Captain's chair told his senior officers that he voluntarily had a device implanted in his head that if it detects the Borg are trying to assimilate him will activate and wipe all potentially dangerous intel from his mind and prevent such a breach of sensitive information to the Borg.
The CMO was the first to figure out that the "device" was basically just a grenade...
"Yes, my description was still correct."
Yes. You delivered!
You would think that abandoning ship would make it easier for the Borg to get the crew from the ship. Just use tractor beams to pull the pods in.
Though when the Auto Destruct is enabled, which the Borg will probably realise, they probably would deem the cost of hanging around to be to great, same with hunting down individual escape pods and shuttles that would in an optimal way, fly in pretty much all the available directions at once. Unless they have a very specific target, they probably won't go around hunting down every single last escape pod and such for what little gain is to be had from scooping up mostly low tier crew members.
Seems like the first course of action by a federation ship after a Borg ship is sited would be for all that ships crew members to remove the pips from their uniforms. No pips, no way the Borg know the ranks😅
Unfortunately, Borg have those scanners so they can detect the pinholes and/or adhesive.
Borg: "New protocol: target first officer for assimilation"
This has quickly become my favourite Trek channel. Great knowledge, but some really interesting, unique subject matter too.
Great video :)
It's interesting considering what Starfleet hasn't done. For example, in The Expanse, the MCRN Donnager illustrates a different approach via Condition Zero. Ships set in this manner would automatically self destruct, with no time delay or override, if any of three critical areas was compromised. Likewise, Starfleet appears to have decided not to widely distribute the various anti-borg nanoviruses they developed, or that weird geometrical paradox thing they decided not to try. Given how the Borg can only grow through assimilation, making every ship or colony assimilated a potential weapon or pathogen unleashed inside the Borg would be quite effective, if likely too dark for the TNG era Noblebright Federation >:)
3:00 that poor lil Oberth tho.....
Honestly, I'd rather be on an Oberth than a Galaxy up against the Borg. The Borg ignore ships that pose no threat, and an Oberth is primarily a threat to *itself.*
That ship had its hull-plating vapourised.
@@MeritaniaI know it looked that way, but if you look closer, the Borg clearly just performed an active scan on the vessel, which, due to a structural flaw, caused the ship's drive to go critical. 😢
/j
In regards to Halo’s Cole Protocol, I believe it was primarily enacted to hide the location of *Earth,* not simply the rest of the UNSC’s colonies, from the Covenant.
Primarily Earth, then colonies with very big importance to Humanity (Reach), then inner colonies and then the rest. Protocol also stated that returning to earth was prohibited if you weren't absolutely certain you weren't followed etc. But the same was also true for Reach for example (I am not including Onyx - I hope I got correct planet, I always confuse it with different one - because basically no-one knew where Onyx was and it was removed from charts long time before Human-Covenant War). It was just more important to protect Earth.
Cole protocol is presented as "Protecting Earth", but some of it's parts (like the example given in this video) protected all planets. It's just that many planets didn't have "no returning" and "no travelling to" in case you're compromised protocols like Earth had. But at least other key world did also have such rules, though they were slightly more relaxed.
Yes, but the Cole Protocol also included ship board A.I as well.
They were considered as critical to secure as Earth was, so it also had in place what happened if the ship was under attack, and about to be boarded, then the ship's A.I was to be dispatched with a crew member and kept out of Covenant hands as long as possible.
My one question about the Cole Protocol is: If it was enacted and then they won, how do they get back home? Are there protected backups to reload that information? I can't see a purpose for that. Probably, they'd have to wait for a friendly ship to come guide them home.
@@spartan078ben It would be hard to "win" honestly in circumstances in which Cole protocol applied. Although it had 2 parts: Part about not going back to Earth - which was always in effect when there was suspicion that enemy might follow them. In this case if they won the battle they would make sure no-one from Covenant survived and then they would return. Though usually not to Earth itself - that was rare.
And the other part was when they were being boarded.
And yes in such case they wouldn't have backups or anything. They would be stranded or forced to make their own calculations. Which wouldn't help them getting back to Earth - at least not soon (those calculations are very complicated).
Better to lose a ship/fleet rather than expose cradle of humanity to the enemy.
@@spartan078ben I do not know.
I know that all critical information on the ship is contained in the ship's A.I.
The Cole Protocol was made because Covenant ships were faster in slipspace, and could track the energy a UNSC ships slipspace drive gave off when in use.
It is how the first Halo game happened the way it did.
The Covenant fleet tracked the Autumn from Reach and basically made a jump further along their course and ambushed the ship when it dropped out of slipspace.
Has the "bullets vs Borg" question ever been officially answered?
Bow and arrow or just a rock
Didn't John luke shot em on the hollow deck
@@Paddyman8869 yeah, with the safety systems turned off.
@@Paddyman8869 or swords
It seems to me that using physical weapons are your best bet for fighting drones (guns/arrows/blades/large rocks). Even if they 'adapt' to physical attacks they've now adapted to stop all physical objects from passing through their personal shields..... So now they can't interact with anything unless they turn off their protections and make themselves vulnerable to physical attacks again.
Carry old style kinetic firearms when engaging the borg. If they beam on board, adapt to hot lead.
Could they adapt to kinetic damage at the drone level? I beleive ships yeah, but the single drone?
@@xxsw4yxxforcefields block physical non-energy matter in Trek literally all the time, so yes. Picard got lucky once. This idea that the key to defeating Borg is ARs is ludicrous and people should stop pushing it. Even if their shields somehow can’t adapt to conventional projectiles (I call bullshit), they can start making drones with thicker armor.
Then develop tau style rail guns can't adapt to that.
Technically every bullet is different. Unlike particle beams.
@@yobogoya4367 I think thousands of assimilated cultures can figure out slight differences in the contouring of hot metal
Terran Empire response: We can weaponize it or terminate with extreme prejudice.
Hahahhaa Marshal Janeways story must be awesome.
The original idea behind the Borg was very interesting. An enemy that can adapt to all attacks and situations. Unfortunately, over time, the only way for your "good guys" to beat them is plot armour and the Botg (more so the queen) making dumb decisions and moves.
It's also fascinating considering what the Borg did not do with assimilation. Can you imagine the havoc that strategically assimilating Romulan or Cardassian vessels would do, if the Borg cared for infilitation, propaganda, or straight up messing with their enemies? Just the contents of a few Tal Shiar, Obsidian Order, or Section 31 brains could do wonders in spreading havoc, if the Borg were capable of thinking in that way. It's a good thing for the Alpha Quadrant the Dominion couldn't assimilate, and the Borg couldn't do subtlety :)
I'd think Starfleet would be tired of being hacked / controlled / assimilated by now, and just have an entire protocol launched with a voice command similar to the Omega Protocol: scan for Borg lifesigns and seal them down, maybe by transporting them into sealed, tech-free cells; seal the ship's systems so they can't be hacked or assimilated; secure communications to point-to-point beam microburst transmissions, so viruses cannot be spread among the ships; collect the intruders, and space them if necessary; sample the virus from an infected system to immediately develop a vaccine, and immediately purge the sample to prevent spread. Something like that.
Starfleet personnel have also been assimilated often enough you'd think they'd be implanted with crippling viruses that would spread once they're assimilated. This would, of course, teach the Borg that assimilating Starfleet is dangerous, so they'd switch to killing, but that would also eliminate the threat of security leaks.
The short version is when boarded, the ship immediately self destructs. And it's a one button self destruct that can be initiated by any crew member or the ship computer.
If ships and crews don't permit themselves to be taken the Borg will eventually loose interest.
Bad plan; one person who develops a cognitive fault should not be able to destroy any ship
@@PatGunn Hence why nukes require two people with their own keys to actually _launch._
I've always wondered whether ship shields, including the Borgs, would be able to protect against a starship engaging warp and kamikazing the opposing vessel. You wouldn't even have to sacrifice a crew, just automate one old starship and watch it go, saving hundreds of other vessels and thousands of lives.
Everyone raise a glass for that poor Oberth!
Funnily enough the Lower Decks Opening where the Cerritos runs away from the Borg is the correct action.
I wonder what the protocols or plans would be in the event of an overwhelming Borg invasion, like what could depicted in the Star Trek: Destiny novels. I mean like the event that thousands of Borg ships have arrived, they've adapted to the Transphasic torpedoes, and are moving on the core worlds of the Federation and the worlds of the surrounding superpowers.
I mean, thanks to Dr. Soran, we know how to blow up stars and thus whole systems..
Trek online gets points for that Epic Maneuver. Well played.
A thing Starfleet should do when encountering the Borg is.
Immediately put everry crewmember and pasengers in sensor lock the moment one of them disapears or has fluctuating lifesigns similar to assimilation inform security teams and automatically revoke all access.
Next all tubes,maintanace shatfs and turbolift tunnel access door should be physically locked and maybe flooded with something like the warplasma (if possible not damaging to the systems)
Yes repairs become harder but that way you prevent stowaway problems like in First Contact
How intriguing! Thanks! Super interesting subject, really annoying to have to be on the team that assesses that! So much information to pour through!
I'd LOVE to see the Universe class Vs. the Mega-class Star Dreadnought head to head!
I would imagine Starfleet has something similar to the "Cole Protocol" used in Halo, where any ship in danger of enemy takeover scrubs their data banks of certain information (in Halo, that would be Earths location). I'd also think any officer level crew member could activate Starfleets version of the protocol. Granted, this won't work on an individuals personal mind.
By the time of Prodigy S2, we know that ships have a way to fast-reset themselves. Hologram Janeway uses it to ensure she, herself, does not corrupt the time stream. (In fact, Temporal Investigations' experience in information sanitation procedures probably had a whole lot of influence in anti-Borg information sanitation.)
This might also be an argument for the ECH, as seen in Voyager and later series. While continuance of awareness is paramount, being able to summon a command officer in seconds who can act in the best interests of the crew and the federation AND who has no knowledge of the current plan that can be exploited or predicted by the Borg, and no secure knowledge that cannot be instantly scrambled or falsified the moment the Borg probes contact the firewalls, was probably a pretty strong argument for bringing back Robert Pica- er, bringing back the ECH project.
Both of these might have been responses to the Borg, though. A TNG S1 or SNW-era complete reset probably would have taken days, even weeks, and might involve time in spacedock just to keep systems running while core systems are being rebuilt.
Starfleet needs better IT. How many episodes did crew get kidnapped or non-crew infiltrated the ship and the computer didn’t think to send an email let alone turn alarms on? We got 300-400 years of technological advancement but we can’t program basic threat analysis? If Borg/Romulans/Dominion whatever, even show up on sensors, why does anyone need to order red alert? Why are “shields up” a separate order? “Everyone go to battle stations but don’t, you know, make it look like your going to battle stations”
Captain: Randomize...
Tactical: They're adapting.
Captain: Randomize the randomization.
Tactical: We Win!
Thank you Rick
Right off the bat, a Borg Cube dwarfing a starfleet Vessel.
Assimilation has to be one of the most horrifying things that can happen to someone that I've ever seen in any sci fi scenario.
I read the thumbnail as “Starfleet’s Anti-Bong Protocol”. 😂 I thought, “Weed is outlawed in Starfleet? What do you think they’re growing in that arboretum?” 😆
This is really good and nice game footage. Thanks!
Gorilla tactics might work best against the Borg to reduce or eliminate the knowledge that they might gain during assimilation. Keep their operations mobile and random so they can anticipate Starfleet's next move🤔
Ah, also known as the Pakled method. But gorilla tactics is much catchier.
thought the first thing was to call Starfleet and run like hell...
Anyone else curious about the future with the "New Borg" from Picard? What does Paramount plan to do with that?
I don’t know that they have any plans yet, but that leaves things open for a new story to be conceived
Hopefully the plan is to forget about it.
@@PACABear it’s a little out there but I think it could be made to work. My bet is eventually we have a canon version of the Cooperative from Star Trek Online, just with Jurati also
NOPE!!!
It would be nice if you linked the videos you reference in the description of your videos.
To be fair I think completely destroying a starship via self destruction is more effective than deleting a library of information that could potentially be recovered and you still wouldn't have to deal with assimilated crew...assuming the self destruct is working
You mention senior officers being high value targets for capture, I do remember hearing rumours that during the Second World War Native American code talkers had the same problem with the Japanese. I remember hearing rumours that officers and senior NCOs on patrol had instructions to shoot their radio operator if there was a chance of either capture or being overrun. It makes you wonder if admiral Hanson's bridge crew had someone instructions.
Pretty sure that was what the Nic Cage movie 'Windtalkers' was about.
I think the contigency plan in case a Starfleet vessel get captured by the Borg should be auto self destruction. As for captains and second officers, there's only one action they can take to avoid assimilation.....
Now that we know what happens when the Borg and Founders join forces, I’m curious about the effects of species like the Pakleds, Tamarians and Binars might have on the Collective. Would the Tamarians’ ability for metaphorical interpretation or the Binars’ problem solving abilities have allowed the Borg to circumvent the plan presented in I, Borg (Season 5, episode 23)? Would the incorporation of the Pakleds’ underdeveloped brains cause a lag in the Collective’s overall cognitive ability, leading to a catastrophic collapse of the entire network?
What's with the "boots and pants" beat in this video LOL
Shelby got what she deserved in Picard Season 3, and no one can argue with that. I made the same noise I made in the theatre in the 90"s, when Kirk Destroyed the bird of prey at Khitomer in 6, YES!!!!!!!!!!
I think you're overlooking the Borg's likely tendency to grab technology as well as people. As well as the Borg's relative lack of interest in things they already fully understand.
Sure they can learn some new information from a captain, but chances are they can learn a lot more by stealing Starfleet's latest set of gadgets, or that one specialist on board that has exclusively focused on a rare field of study.
Similarly, if the Borg had a choice between going for the captain, or (say) the central off switch for the ship's gravity, the latter will incapacitate the crew while only mildly inconveniencing the collective. Taking out weak points in Starfleet's far more centralised ship design (important power conduits for example) is going to be far more effective than grabbing any number of bridge crew.
first response should always be: RAMMING SPEED!
The Borg are connected with one another, how is it that nobody spam mailed their message service with popups extolling the virtues of dubious sites.
Hindsight. Wonderful bastard thing.
Sensitive technologies should automatically self destruct if the ship is about to be captured or destroyed. Crews brains too should self destruct if nano probes are detected in bloid stream.
Send in the Enterprise or Voyager they seem to know how too get rid of the Borg
The Borg probably just don’t care about most of this information.
Develop borg antibodies that upon detecting borg nanoprobes stop the heart.
I'm guessing the "S'Dima'Lus" (species 639) were not listed due to assimilation failed, resulting in the loss of seven cubes, three due to insanity, four were self-destructed to stop the spread of the insanity). ;-D
Bty - This happened 35K (Earth years) after the creation of the BORG (177K Earth years ago, TOS). ;-)
So, the Borg wishes to assimilate me. I have A rather large sword in the next room that says otherwise.
Come at me bro, I'll take you all on!
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Great content, great vid i have done all the things. Do you know what it up with the TNG novels?
If the Borg were smart, they'd assimilate Mot the Barber.
Correction: Cole was an Admiral and commanded with much succes a whole Fleet
Would wiping the computer banks really work? I mean even today when you wipe a computer, all that does is make the information easily accessible. It is still there, and if you have the resources can be recovered.
Depends how it's "wiped". Deleting a file simply frees up the space it's taking up to be overwritten. It can be accessed by consumer grade software. Better software can even rebuild partly overwritten or corrupted files. High level deletion makes sure the files are overwritten, usually multiple times with random 0s and 1s. This makes it much harder to recover the data, to the point where for most purposes it's impossible.
The Transporter DNA takeover is gonna wreak havoc on the mental health of Starfleets under-25year-olds. A complete generation was assimilated, big trauma recovery there
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile"
Starfleet "hold our beer, we'll do it ourselves!!!!"
I still stuck by my manually guide dumb warp missile fleet strategy for eradicating the Borg.
For some reason I really wanted to see Shelby get assimilated.
Does anyone know when "new" part of the story for STO will be available?
Picture Shelby from the Next Generation being captured instead of Picard.
The whole “Borg technology” thing bothers me no end.
The Borg, pretty much by definition, assimilate other species in order to acquire their technology (and more drones). Hence when a Starfleet engineer is drooling over a piece of Borg tech, they’re really drooling over some other species’ tech.
The danger isn’t in the tech per se, it’s in the future equivalent of the microprocessor running it and providing the interface for drones or a Borg automated system to use that piece of technology. Strip that off, and any nanobots that are part of the Norg “self regeneration” capability, and you have just the weapon, shield, comms device or whatever that can be safely adapted for Starfleet use.
But for some reason Starfleet engineers can’t figure this out. Well, Star Trek writers can’t, but you know what I mean.
*yoink* Seven of Mine!
Common-sense in MY star trek?
Its more likely than you think.
7/9 is the best Star fleet answer😅
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Shelby.... Probably one of the worst admirals i ever seen.
Marcus, Lorca, maybe picard sometimes ( you just had to listen guinan)
But what kind of idiot takes assimilated tec inside your fleet?
You can learn things from the borg but take is a risk you should never have in your mind.
Haha nice
The Borg? Sounds Swedish....
I never understood why a "superior entity" would assimilate an "inferior" race to make themseves stronger/ better.
For the same reason you eat a steak. Raw materials and additional manpower have their uses, even if of inferior quality.
The Borg operate on the premise that the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
And just to use another cliche, “quantity has a quality of its own”.
Because the Borg don't do R&D. Any given race can have a technology that is unknown, different, or even superior in some respects to something the Borg possess. That knowledge makes them more adaptable.
...well, Shelby's a blonde, so... :P
Resistance is futile.
RIP Shaw and that Vulcan lady. Everything is Picard's fault. Worst captain ever.
Coming from a Trekkie, Star Trek Online is such a poor game. I really want to love it but the graphics are atrocious and way way out of date. The space stuff is fine but the character and planetary is awful. They need to overhaul this game. Trek games don’t get much love at all.
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