Its horses for courses, with you having the haas has made it so you can make more complex parts which in turn makes more money which in turn makes it so you can invest in a more costly machine, all machines have their place and price point. I own neither of machines but I could finance a haas more comfortably than a dmg but I only make one off parts so I can still dream 👍
Yes the DMG was faster, which it should be due to the price difference, but another thing to remember is the chip control! Just look at how clean the DMG is at the end. I own a small job shop and let me tell you that it sucks when you have a machine with poor chip control. We have a Haas VF-2SS and it does an ok job with chip control on aluminum parts but we do a lot of steel parts for the mining industry with lots of material roughing and sometimes we are shoveling the chips 2-3 times a day. I am looking at a CMX as another potential option for a 3 axis mill just because of the slanted guides to allow for better control.
you will not regret with the CMX series. I worked with a lot of dmg mori machines and they are one of the best. CMX, Sprint 50, NLX and NVX were my favourites
we have a CMX800 with chip conveyor and the only thing that i dont like is the fact it doesnt have a door flush (where coolant constantly gets flooded on the door to keep chips from sticking and scratching the paint off the door when you open the door), left and right above the chip conveyor is a small flat face where chips accumulate (would be nice to have coolant flush there as well) and you can not crane load the whole table if you have the automatic crane door thingy, only about half way then you have to push the part which damages the top "door" guides.
If you have 4000 parts to feed thru the machine in the next week, it is no contest...chip evacuation is another major difference I noticed you could eat off the DMG after it was done...not so much for the HAAS...
haas has also some serious accuracy issues. It depends on luck. Did some measurements on few machines. Here in eu it seems much better option to buy doosan if you're looking for budget machine, you get much more of a machine for less money. for 5ax the hermle and dmg seems to be most common, also service is instantly available.
My only concern with the DMG is that the trunnion is unsupported. One good whack and that baby is going to get expensive. I know. It’s simple just don’t crash. It’s been years since my last crash but I know my next one is just one stupid move away.
Not unsupported on the DMU 65 monoBlock and larger. They also have crash protection. Heck, they can even give you feedback on pressure applied for burnishing operations, their way covers are sealed well enough they can run grinding ops, and the entire system is rigid enough to permit lathe-style turning (fixed tool) with the rotary table. Of course all those options are gonna cost you to enable the software, but that doesn't change the fact the core machine is that well-built.
how much air over hydro issues have you had with the 750? The 750 at my current job has had several service issues with it and is only a couple years old.
Both are using Parlec's shrink fit tool holders, the DMG is using HSK63 and the Haas is using CAT40. Primarily we are using the shortest tool holders we can on both machines. The vices are identical.
It’s about the accuracy. Haas thermal control on the UMC shifts like crazy and there’s no way to control it since they’ve been “working” on the firmware for 3 years with no resolution, and the rotary table shifts .002” on both axis when the table brakes engage. The UMC is the behest piece of junk made in the USA. Haas should be ashamed.
@@michaelgrimes9153 Thx sir. You know what i’am about to buy Used Deckel Maho cmx 70 U from 2010 - 2020. Or maybe used Monoblock? I also looking for Heller HF Series.
25% faster at 2 to 3 times the price. And maybe the previous owner of the UMC didn't maintain it properly or crashed it. Run them both at same speed/feeds and ck the finish.
The HAAS was maintained well. The DMG is well worth the price difference. The HAAS could not be pushed near as much. We actually sold the HAAS and now have two DMGs.
I can buy two HAAS mills to one Mori. Which is a no brainer in terms of a speed comparison. I would only buy a Mori for the accuracy, and at that point I would rather own a Kitamura CNC mill
@@VerusEngineering You got me thinking about buying one. How much was yours, and it the 3rd Gen worth it? I got a quote a long time ago for their mill turn lathe before and it turned out to be pretty expansive.
@@sheepman6291 they are definitely in a different price point than the HAAS, but we liked our 50 so much, we actually bought a 75 earlier this year as well. As far as pricing goes, we had a lot of extras added, but if you were interested in pricing, shoot us an email and we can get you hooked up with our DMG rep. sales@verus-engineering.com
Do you notice any accuracy/surface finish differences? You aren't doing a lot of simultanious motion, but does the Haas eat code the way the DMG does? Is your NX post set up to spit out equal points for both, or does the Haas need some downtuning to process the stream? Interesting video! I wish there were more back-to-back comparisons in the CNC world. The DMG vs a Grob would be fascinating (and probably more relevant given the more similar pricing)
Yes, we do notice a little difference in the surface finish but I believe that is more due to the rigidity of the machines and not so much the ability for the DMG to read code faster. The Haas does struggle when feeding it more code. Yes, we have the post spit out the same amount of points for both currently. When I was quoting out a Grob, the Grob was significantly more expensive than a DMG. DMG, Mazak, and Okuma were all priced similarly.
Why would you be racing a Mori against a Haas they both have their place in the machine world, but one cost three times more, why don't you give the Haas 50 percent head start compare apples to apples.
Well since we only have these two machines in our shop, it's pretty hard to do it with a different machine. We just thought it would be fun and figured others might enjoy it.
@@VerusEngineering well in the UK the DMG is 2 to 3 times the price so you would expect it to be much better, then of course second hand machines can have all sorts of poor history like collision etc so the results you had are what i would expect
@@fryer05maverick31 Even if the HAAS was brand new, it cannot keep up with the DMG. We can push the DMG much harder. We just thought it was fun to do, thus why we made a video of it.
its like comparing japanese wagyu beef with a moldy hotdog
Its horses for courses, with you having the haas has made it so you can make more complex parts which in turn makes more money which in turn makes it so you can invest in a more costly machine, all machines have their place and price point. I own neither of machines but I could finance a haas more comfortably than a dmg but I only make one off parts so I can still dream 👍
Very true.
Awww, how sweet! The nice man brought lunch for his Mori. And he let it machine parts too!
Sure did!
Sure did!
Yes the DMG was faster, which it should be due to the price difference, but another thing to remember is the chip control! Just look at how clean the DMG is at the end. I own a small job shop and let me tell you that it sucks when you have a machine with poor chip control. We have a Haas VF-2SS and it does an ok job with chip control on aluminum parts but we do a lot of steel parts for the mining industry with lots of material roughing and sometimes we are shoveling the chips 2-3 times a day. I am looking at a CMX as another potential option for a 3 axis mill just because of the slanted guides to allow for better control.
Totally agree! Chip management is a must.
you will not regret with the CMX series. I worked with a lot of dmg mori machines and they are one of the best. CMX, Sprint 50, NLX and NVX were my favourites
we have a CMX800 with chip conveyor and the only thing that i dont like is the fact it doesnt have a door flush (where coolant constantly gets flooded on the door to keep chips from sticking and scratching the paint off the door when you open the door), left and right above the chip conveyor is a small flat face where chips accumulate (would be nice to have coolant flush there as well) and you can not crane load the whole table if you have the automatic crane door thingy, only about half way then you have to push the part which damages the top "door" guides.
If you have 4000 parts to feed thru the machine in the next week, it is no contest...chip evacuation is another major difference I noticed you could eat off the DMG after it was done...not so much for the HAAS...
haas has also some serious accuracy issues. It depends on luck. Did some measurements on few machines. Here in eu it seems much better option to buy doosan if you're looking for budget machine, you get much more of a machine for less money. for 5ax the hermle and dmg seems to be most common, also service is instantly available.
We are very happy with out upgrade to DMG. Performance and service wise.
My only concern with the DMG is that the trunnion is unsupported. One good whack and that baby is going to get expensive.
I know. It’s simple just don’t crash. It’s been years since my last crash but I know my next one is just one stupid move away.
they count on it for the aftermarket ;)
Not unsupported on the DMU 65 monoBlock and larger. They also have crash protection. Heck, they can even give you feedback on pressure applied for burnishing operations, their way covers are sealed well enough they can run grinding ops, and the entire system is rigid enough to permit lathe-style turning (fixed tool) with the rotary table. Of course all those options are gonna cost you to enable the software, but that doesn't change the fact the core machine is that well-built.
i never rlly had reliability issues with haas
Yep, it's a shame.
how much air over hydro issues have you had with the 750? The 750 at my current job has had several service issues with it and is only a couple years old.
can someone explain to me why some controllers have dogleg movements (when rapid moving, all axes move at the same speed)? What is the advantage?
Dogleg movements? Please elaborate. We are not really sure what you are asking here.
High tech machine dmg Mori
We love our DMGs. We recently picked up a DMU 75 as well.
@@VerusEngineering he is spamming the exact same on every video that mentions DMG
CAT40 vs HSK63 ?
UMC 750 SS vs DMU 50
does the haas have all longer guage length tools? (looks like a bigger length vice that you needed to clear?)?
Both are using Parlec's shrink fit tool holders, the DMG is using HSK63 and the Haas is using CAT40. Primarily we are using the shortest tool holders we can on both machines. The vices are identical.
Speedio wants to race next.
🤣
It’s about the accuracy. Haas thermal control on the UMC shifts like crazy and there’s no way to control it since they’ve been “working” on the firmware for 3 years with no resolution, and the rotary table shifts .002” on both axis when the table brakes engage. The UMC is the behest piece of junk made in the USA. Haas should be ashamed.
How much Dmg mori cmx series/ dmu series cost?
No idea. It would be best to contact DMG Mori for pricing.
@@VerusEngineering ok thx.
Dmg 50evo base before larger tool changer and other options is 480,000usd the sent me a sales offer this year
Believe it or not the best thing for Dmg mills is ever multiple of 10 is 100k aka 100p duo = about right on 1mill
@@michaelgrimes9153 Thx sir. You know what i’am about to buy Used Deckel Maho cmx 70 U from 2010 - 2020. Or maybe used Monoblock? I also looking for Heller HF Series.
25% faster at 2 to 3 times the price.
And maybe the previous owner of the UMC didn't maintain it properly or crashed it.
Run them both at same speed/feeds and ck the finish.
The HAAS was maintained well. The DMG is well worth the price difference. The HAAS could not be pushed near as much. We actually sold the HAAS and now have two DMGs.
haas is junk. anyone thats ever owned one knows it. Haas doesnt care about quality they care about bulk sales. Your hfo rep will tell you this.
I can buy two HAAS mills to one Mori. Which is a no brainer in terms of a speed comparison. I would only buy a Mori for the accuracy, and at that point I would rather own a Kitamura CNC mill
We are much happier with our DMG. Realiability is far superior in our experience.
@@VerusEngineering You got me thinking about buying one. How much was yours, and it the 3rd Gen worth it? I got a quote a long time ago for their mill turn lathe before and it turned out to be pretty expansive.
@@sheepman6291 they are definitely in a different price point than the HAAS, but we liked our 50 so much, we actually bought a 75 earlier this year as well. As far as pricing goes, we had a lot of extras added, but if you were interested in pricing, shoot us an email and we can get you hooked up with our DMG rep. sales@verus-engineering.com
lmao non machine owners are so easy to spot. they just dont get it.
the difference is horse power
Do you notice any accuracy/surface finish differences? You aren't doing a lot of simultanious motion, but does the Haas eat code the way the DMG does? Is your NX post set up to spit out equal points for both, or does the Haas need some downtuning to process the stream?
Interesting video! I wish there were more back-to-back comparisons in the CNC world. The DMG vs a Grob would be fascinating (and probably more relevant given the more similar pricing)
Yes, we do notice a little difference in the surface finish but I believe that is more due to the rigidity of the machines and not so much the ability for the DMG to read code faster. The Haas does struggle when feeding it more code. Yes, we have the post spit out the same amount of points for both currently. When I was quoting out a Grob, the Grob was significantly more expensive than a DMG. DMG, Mazak, and Okuma were all priced similarly.
Which CAM software use in programming
Siemens NX
Programming a Siemens machine with Siemens software 😅
Is there a huge difference in price?
Yes, it's a fairly large difference in price.
I’m guessing the Mori is about 400k and the hass is about 200k.
Just pulling numbers out of my back side.
It would be cool to see the actual numbers.
@@mattdroneon58 you are pretty close. The DMG is roughly twice as expensive.
Why would you be racing a Mori against a Haas they both have their place in the machine world, but one cost three times more, why don't you give the Haas 50 percent head start compare apples to apples.
Well since we only have these two machines in our shop, it's pretty hard to do it with a different machine. We just thought it would be fun and figured others might enjoy it.
haas should be great for cutting aluminum why cant you push it more/
It just doesn't have the capabilities that the HAAS has.
How much you selling the haas machine
It has already been sold.
@@VerusEngineering how much ?
@@derick3482 We sold the machine last year. Sorry.
@@VerusEngineering how much ?dollar amount
@@derick3482 not something we wish to share via RUclips.
What is the difference in the price
We bought the HASS used and the DMG was brand new. Not really sure what the HASS goes for new.
@@VerusEngineering well in the UK the DMG is 2 to 3 times the price so you would expect it to be much better, then of course second hand machines can have all sorts of poor history like collision etc so the results you had are what i would expect
@@VerusEngineering A used machine compared to a new machine, that's funny. Bald tires to new tires for traction comparison next?
@@fryer05maverick31 Even if the HAAS was brand new, it cannot keep up with the DMG. We can push the DMG much harder. We just thought it was fun to do, thus why we made a video of it.
id say a couple of hundred thousands