“She Wanted Attention Of Guy She Fancied At Hospital” | Details Of Lucy Letby Case Emerge
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, 28 has been convicted of the murder of seven babies in her care at Countess of Chester Hospital bewtween 2015 and 2016.
Peter Cardwell is joined by political commentator Matthew Hulbert to discuss the morning paper reviews dominated by the story.
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The management of this hospital needs to do some time in jail.
Totally
How can the managers think they know better than the consultants and nurses working alongside her?
It's down to their egos, nothing more
Crazy
Yet another example of managers not being fit for purpose. And these are expensive people in terms of the payroll. Don't need em. Get rid. Too many spongers.
Arrogance
Whomever is in charge of the largest pot of money is also in charge of the largest ego. Power corrupts.
When they won’t even listen to the most senior consultants, what hope do the rest of us in the NHS have? 😞
the wards are awful new staff get bullied by old staff
@@kikoexteberria8668 I had an issue at work which began affecting my mental health, over the way another member of staff was treating me. Instead of challenging the rude, disrespectful, bullying behaviour towards me and other members of staff; I got told I had to go to mediation 🙄 I refused. The management not effectively dealing with this behaviour not only makes the working atmosphere difficult for many people, it also puts patient care at risk.
It’s awful, I love my job and I really care about my patients. This poor management and reluctance to challenge behaviour makes decent staff leave.
I’m shocked by those PLEADING for her innocence!
She’s been found Guilty!
Much is pointed to her being present at every incident!
cant believe how many think she is innocent but covid and anti-vaxers taught me there are plenty of nuts about
I'd be keen to ask them, if not Letby, then who is responsible?
Some things don't add up to me. The police/prosecution are trying to claim it is an open and shut case and the levels of insulin were clear evidence of murder. In that case why didn't the consultants report it as a crime the first time it occurred? Am I missing something here? Can somebody clarify this to me?
@@paulrichards6894 I believe she is guilty. I also did *not* take the MRna shite (though I'm not an "anti-vaxxer"). I also think masking kids and keeping them our of school did more harm then good. So I guess I'm still a "nut".
@@dc56789you can guarantee if she was innocent they'd have been saying she was guilty and it was a cover up. Some people just need drama and gossip
The managers who ignored the numerous calls for an investigation should be brought to account for their stupidity, and lose their pensionscand never work again in the health sector. Nobody takes responsibility for their actions. But i suggest they will get off scot free.
It happens in top senior management in ALL jobs . This is a prime example of C.E.Os not taking responsibility . Those consultants are on the frontline and have the medical expertise to make the final decision on who they want on their teams . All top management involved with Letby must face disciplinary and legal action to account for the dreadful way they handled it .
Police allowed hospital to dictate murder investigation. Police should be investigated also all the way to the limp top.
They should serve the sentence alongside her. Its absolutely disgusting.
Police should be investigating managers etc who refused to do anything about it.
Its only ever get worse into today's nampy pampy sad clown world we live in....
Utterly disgusting NHS 'management'. They should be hauled before the courts for their despicable behaviour.
Get rid of all NHS managers and let consultants run the NHS
Cameras in hospitals should be law. It defies common sense that wards are not monitored this way.
Especially because UK is one of the most surveilled countries in the world.
Babies aren't that important seemingly.
Bring back the death penalty please
I hope she never comes out of prison.
People having to write an apology to that scum.
If she was AMERICA She would be in the chair.
And that she deserves.
The death penalty in America isn’t an "across the board" punishment. It depends on which State the crimes were committed... some states have the option of the death penalty as punishment, some don’t. One thing is for sure, if she could do this to a precious newborn baby who’s done absolutely nothing to anyone, NO ONE is safe around her!
Too easy for her. She will never leave prison now after sentencing, which was marvellously conducted this afternoon.
But if she made a sexual complaint against them they'd be suspended
That's a very good point. Yet when someone complains about potential serial murder - it was crickets
Women’s privileges
@@untouchableghost6757
Its the reputation of the Hospital that is being guarded. Same thing has happened in the states.
@@untouchableghost6757 .. like nursing? Who would choose it, all responsibility and stress . Hard life, shift work. Little emotional support so you look for it in the wrong places.
I have a friend who was a whistle blower. It destroyed her career but she still believes she did the right thing.
Who from management had an inappropriate interaction with her, fancy ignoring doctors and making them apologise
Well one of the consultants had a relationship of some sorts with her - he managed to keep his name out of the papers. The consultants could have gone directly to the police - they didn't need their managers permission. In fact they did go directly to the police in 2017.
I wondered as well. Did she have an inappropriate interaction with anyone other than Dr A?
his name:Tony Chairman from Chester hospital, but he did not had an inappropriate interaction with her
I am shocked that a 23-25 yo girl manage to make her way to the top by getting into her superior bed so fast! This profession was already too much for a 23 yo lady..a huge number of woman barely have the chance to study nursing. Surely she has not been raised on moral and Biblical principles.
Evil. Was this a case of "how do I get dr whoever's attention... i know- cause an emergency" or was it vengeful "dr whoever hates me, i'll show him - bet he can't save this one" or was she raised in a strict home, never allowed to admit she makes human mistakes, always had to be "nice" so wanted the attention of grieving parents hanging on her every word for details on their beloved babies? Then garnering the sympathy from colleagues and friends. Having escaped evil, people need to understand there are more like this than you'd imagine.
If you are a power hungry narcissist, the NHS will promote you. I left hospitals because of the culture and danger.
Letby presents as a psycopathic, sadistic killer with access, opportunity, power & influence. She used DARVO to reverse victim/offender.
Why were they nursing alone on scbu? All the arrows point to Letby and none of them point away from her... prayers to those heartbroken bereft parents 😢🙏
This comment is more insightful than the media analysis. What is DARVO?
Ted Bundy in a nurses uniform
Imo the managers and the ceo should also serve a prison sentence because their denial and failure to listen to numerous consultants concerns put more babies at risk. I don’t think public enquires will stop this from happening or that management will put patient safety before the reputation of their hospital unless they know they will face criminal charges and possible prison terms. This management team have cases to answer and not just get a slap on the wrist while keeping their huge salaries and pension payouts of tax payers money.
The disconnect between those with expertise in health care (consultants and nurses) and managers is a problem. A public health organisation should not be led by business led managers with no healthcare experience. Consultants carry a huge level of responsibility and are at the same time very vulnerable in England with a very weak position as this case shows. They can be silenced and threatened with a referral to the GMC while managers yield a lot of power and are not held accountable.
2 managers are nurses.
These senior civil service fat cat managers should be subjected to independent tribunal questioning under oath..like our politicians..they must be made to explain their actions at the time.. and if found wanting..they should be heavily censured..with financial penalties or loss of privilages...and if called for.imprisonment
Weird interview, where the interviewer clearly loves the sound of his own voice and talks much more than the person he's interviewing. I think we probably missed a lot of information from the interviewee because of the ceaseless chatter from the interviewer.
This is Talk TV, I watch it often but it's a more casual viewing
A Shocking and disturbing case
I am shocked that a 23-25 yo girl,recently graduate, manage to make her way to the top by getting into her superior bed so fast! This profession was already too much for a 23 yo lady..she did not start being a carer; a huge number of woman barely have the chance to study nursing in a lifetime.
Seems more like she wasn't getting "intimate" moments at all.
Happens all time. Seen it loads. Staff start relationships with bosses. They tell tales and gossip get believed and become untouchable. Especially if the boss is married/has partner then the low level staff has them under control
true@@harveyquinn5494
She was a senior staff nurse, hardly the top. The fact is a lot is expected of women. Maybe nursing is not such a great career choice.
working in a hospital is hard for a woman; better working as self employed and pick your patients.@@nielszindel1151
whistleblowing in the NHS is appalling. Managers, who are "totally absent" from the workforce, "try" to turn it against the whistleblower to deflect blame for their absence and omissions........I know! This is what they tried to do with the Consultants in this case
Seems to me the consultants could've gone directly to the police at any time. It's not the managers job to do a Miss Marple. In fact the consultants proved they could've gone to the police at any time by ... going to the police, in 2017.
Yes they could have and maybe should have but the managers didn't investigate to "keep" reputation......and they recommended the new chief executive refer the medics to GMC@@PGHEngineer
Allegations of such gravity are supposed to be investigated. End of story.
Agreed
This is so shocking! She really doesn't look like a typical serial killer. Even her backstory doesnt have any red flags. No abuse or anyone coming out of the shadows saying they always knew something was off about her. Its truly bizarre but the evidence is overwhelming. Its scary
Homicidal maniac
What does a serial killer look like? Mostly just like normal people.
@Sylvia-rp1xq what is a serial killer supposed to look like she could have commited crimes before that are being kept out of the media before this came to light
They mentioned people like you in the video….you must of not watched and just came to comment lol
@@dianestevens2659 And appearances can be deceptive.
I don't see what the 'fancying a guy' part, true or not, has got to do with it. This is a pointless discussion between two people who both admit not to have read up on the case they're talking about, and are relying solely on bluster and manufactured outrage.
She obtained attention from him via assaulting the babies, it gave her narcissistic supply
Death Penalty.
We as a society need to griw up and accept that what somone looks like is not necessary who they are. These people are sophisticated operating in plain sight we need to wake up.
A BLACK doctor told on her and they made his apologize to her!
However when did this harming baby start,? Was it before or after she met this dr.
Good point.Something must have set her off on this course of action.
These consultants need to be struck off, or investigated. You don't need to have the permission of your manager to report a murder. This is what troubles me - how is it that they were reporting unnatural levels of insulin in these babies leading to their death but it wasn't until 2017 that they realised a crime had been committed? It was at that point they went directly to the police. Something is up with these consultants and I don't trust them.
The consultants were absolutely RIGHT, plus very brave for reporting L.L. to the police. You've mixed up the consultants with the managers, you dumbcluck.
They were threatened with losing their positions...
Regardless if you follow the timeline of the case it makes sense.
The blame shouldn't be shifted towards the consultants who were adamant on justice.
Complete mockery they had to apologise to her wtf
She was torturing and killing babies before the doctor crush came along
Miss-pronoun someone and you would be sacked on the spot.
I can't understand why Police accepted No co-operation to investigation from hospital for further number of months rather than taking the urgency to Minister of Health. Utilize that govt. office service to assist & veto hospital to co-operate police work. Then Ombudsman. That's how Wesminster system works. But police dropped momentum & allowed hospital to dictate a murder investigation. Why didn't senior police seek a Police Commissioner's influence to ensure investigation quickly proceed on sound evidence arisen?
Lucy was obsessed with the married doctor and would do anything to see him. How many babies would she have killed just to see him and then text with him about it?
I’m guessing her fantasy crush on the married doctor was her entire reason for doing this. She texted him for advice, he was a mentor for her. An ongoing flirtation at work. She got sympathy, attention, caring, loads of positive strokes from staff for being a hero nurse trying to save babies lives, and then the tragedy of losing a baby.
Acting in her own personal tv drama series as if she was enduring an emotional roller coaster under pressure with class and grace.
I’m curious what her favorite tv show and movies are.
The bbc news reporter said the only trace of emotion she showed in court was when she heard the married doctor’s voice in a phone message. She listened intently and tears threatened slightly.
She's no human being
Where were the feminists with their mantra of 'believe all women', in this? Oh, right they were in hospital management, demanding that the Consultant Paediatricians who voiced concerns, write an apology to this monster.
the whistleblowing policy is not there to protect the victims. i work in the care field and have and will always stand up for my patients, i have always been labeled as a trouble maker for trying to do the right thing. managers what people who shut up and do the work and look the other way. Any care field is a toxic and dishonest environment to work in if you have a good heart.
Mr Blobby is a political commentator now??
Lucy-fer
If you thought babies were being murdered would you contact a manager or the police?
Lessons will be learnt,, British Rail accidents in the 1970s
Jungle justice for these managers. People are too docile!!!
The UK is so WOKE…🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
There is a culture of cover up in nhs!
The managers should do time in prison.let alone living a life of luxury.they were treating letby as the victim in this crime.they should suffer like the poor families are.
In my experience whistleblowers suffer a lot of backlash! Usually they are drummed out of the institutiom.
this is Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy
It will be the same old thing lessons will be learnt but they won't someone's job should be on the line or prison
Management seemed to be living in la-la land. Absolutely disgusting
My goodness, I wouldn't apologize to that monster. I think a lot of hospital rules need to change but honestly, any one that is hell bent on harmimg others, will find an opportunity to do it.
The hospital director ceo and who ever the boos at that time has blood on their hands and should be persecuted for man slaughter 😢
Lessons must be learnt they say. But, there were before her in the same country. Was any lesson learnt? Shame on the management. They should be punished anx removex
A conviction on Circumstantial evidence only, no post mortem and no toxicology, misinformation to say how the babies died. The case of Sally Clark, and Lucia de Berk are just two cases we should look at and see how mistakes are made.
It will be to protect the hospital. HR is to protect The Hospital/Company
Out of date
There is no such thing as evil.
She didn't see herself as pretty and blonde if you read the letter. She said she would never marry or have the opportunity to have her own family.....she was driven by jealousy and hate.
So let's ignore the fact that the doctor that she "fancied" started working for the hospital after the second cluster. Where is your journalistic integrity Matthew?
I'm confused. How in this day and age could this happen??
We see and watch MANY documentaries on sociopaths, psychopath etc... yet this happens
No one who is right up in there head does what she does no excuse shes just bonkers in disguise
U cant and should never cover up any mistakes specially ones of babys who are prem i had two granchildren who were and to think a nurse could do this is beyond beleif but managers and red tape.are.the biggest problem of the nhs it needs to be looked at and sorted out
What she really needs is the short hemp rope and the long Drope.
4:11 She wanted to be pitied. That's the motivation behind this mental disorder. Not the first case.
You don’t kill 7 babies for attention of someone you fancy.
How come men can have friends but women cannot have best friends
Muchausen by Proxy ????
Yeah, quite sure that’s the best theory why some, otherwise , professional nurse ( or any woman for that matter) would deliberately kill several patients ( babies) in her care, is because she was spurned by a consultant doctor in her unit…. Yeah cause that’s a typically rational reaction to wanting attention from a bloke, eh? …….big word in this interview ALLEGEDLY!!….. it’s seems that Lucy Letby wasn’t one of your more popular members of staff in the unit, that doesn’t make her a homicidal maniac. There are at least three other Neo Natal units across England which have been put into special measures due to high mortality rates and general poor care. Let’s hope there’s not some young lass with a crush on a consultant there eh? In fact if nurses murdered their patients at the rate in which they get spurned by senior consultants, then god help us if we go into hospital. The bloody wards will empty quick enough though! ……this trial, case, stinks of corruption, cover ups and scapegoating.
Something definitely doesn't add up!!! I feel she's taking the rap for someone else 🤔🤔
It's all about attention and men for women, isn't it?
For some. Some women compete with one another for male attention as if this is a reflection of their worth.
Nice looking, hah you should get out more😂
Many of the NHS managers come from medical background and clinical staff directly report to more senior clinical staff, such as Clinical Directors..etc. The Head/ Chief Nurse would probably also be informed of the concerns, given nurses in general report to another senior nurse. So were these senior staff incompetent as managers or as clinicans/ nurses? From the non-clinical side though HR would be involved to advise on employment law but the decision following a clinical complaint still sits primarily with clinical management. I know it's easy to slip into hating admin workers when one hears the word "management" but in reality many clinicians & nurses move into senior management roles and become part of the reporting line. However, it's true that sadly HR is incredibly risk-averse in the public sector and often influence a decision in favour of not doing anything in case the employee who is under investigation takes the case to tribunal. It still doesn't excuse the decision clinical managers made in this case. Nevertheless, I agree the NHS as a whole and its effectiveness should be reviewed.
Someone else , one of the hundreds of medical and non medical staff who work at the hospital, killed those babies and are using her as a front. She was convicted on highly circumstantial evidence. School friends who have known her for years say she is quiet, kind and decent and the accusations are unbelievable
the evidence is circumstantial
She was a lovely young girl as shown in photo's in a channel four news broardcast so something must have gone terribly wrong in her life. I wonder if that bloke was a love rat?
She is a psychopath. Some people are not like us. Barely human. They enjoy hurting others. She is obviously one of them.
plenty of people meet love rats, they dont go and kill a load of babies.
There can be no excuses!
Your comment is horrendous.
She hated herself and I think she took her self- hatred out on the babies....
@@BuzziRus Quite possibly. My guess is something happened to break up her own relationship of her chosen partner for life & thinking that she would'nt be able to have the family that is at the heart of being a woman she thought why should other people be able to ....or something like that?
And they preach about accountability 😮