Here in Italy, a report is pubblished each year awarding the title of "the worst railway line" as voted by commuters. The "champion" of the title is the Roma-Lido Line, but the Roma-Viterbo isn't too far, and it's often considered a tie-in. The only thing that prevents the Roma-Viterbo line to be the absolute champion it's the incredible ruggedness and reliability of the Firema E84s, wich depsite the same abysmal levels of maintainance (and often even somehow worse) than the Roma-Lido, they miraculously keep running, saving the line from an all-too probable suspension of services, particularily in the outer-urban section towards Viterbo. The Roma-Viterbo is very likely one of the most mistreated railway lines in the whole of italy, having suffered (and continuously suffering) from dreadful managements incapable or unwilling to take advantage of the line's relatively modern infrastructure (in the urban section) or scenic potentially-tourist-attractive interurban section, the last of wich has been of course the dreaded ATAC. Rome's Creepy Underground Railway went several times a tad too close to being abolished and abandoned, each time for different reasons and in different decades - the only thing that saved this railway from a fate common to many similar railways (such as the Alifana bassa in Naples) being indeed it's "Creepy Underground" section, wich had been built underground (with a stroke of genius) in the 1930s to avoid car traffic above ground, and to have the line terminate in the city center instead in an outlying suburban station, often a cause (and an excuse) for poor ridership. No meaningful investment on the line was made since it's opening in 1931 to the early 1980s, when a modernization of the urban section of the line was proposed, with the first new trains (the E84s of 1987) being the second type of train to enter in service on the line, running alongside the five ECD electric railcars (and trailers) of 1930. Baffling, the ECD soldered in service on the Roma-Nord line until 2008 at least (!), assigned on interurban services after the majority of urban services was taken over by E84s. This is partly the reason why Flaminio has a low platform, as a terminus station it had to accomodate both interurban and urban services, altough it's no longer an excuse, since it has been 15 years since the retirement of the ECDs and standardization of the line's rolling stock to high-platform trains. Of course, ATAC is not planning, nor it has ever been planning for a decades-overdue upgrade of the station (not to mention basic maintainance and cleaning, leading to the current sorry state of an otherwise nice station). Like the Roma-Lido, maintainance of the Roma-Viterbo line is below the bare minimium, and the infrastructure is likely in an even worse shape - absurd speed restrictions (in some sections even down to walking pace!) are in place due to the deterioration of the infrastructure, almost like if ATAC is willingly attempting to provoke the national railway saftey authority (ANSFISA) into forcing a cesation of services due to "unsafe condtitions", something that has been a death sentence for countless other regional railways, all victims of the same incompetence and deferred maintainance. All considered, it's almost a miracle that the Roma-Viterbo is still operating (at any capacity and at any level of service), and as mentioned, this miracle has a series designation, being the handiwork of the Firema E84s only, as the newest stock (wich is now nearing 15 years of age!), an odd train built as a kit by Alstom and assembled by a small italian manufacturer, Costamansanga, are suffering from several breakdowns, and most are not in operable conditions. On a related note, the Roma-Viterbo line is also infamous for being one of the railway lines in italy with the worst saftey record at level crossing, as in the interurban sections it's full of automatic level crossings, but without gates - lights, bells and crossbuck only. Fatal crashes with cars are extremely common, and to the detriment of the railway, in these cases it's the car driver that's always at fault (mobile phone usage while at the steering wheel contributes to nearly two thirds of these accidents), but it's the railway that comes out with a shattered reputation, often put under a bad light by the press as a "dangerous" and "unsafe" objects many would very well prefer to get rid of (feelings shared for any other Italian urban railway line, with or without level crossings, with or without meaninful traffic levels). Finally, it's important to remember that the Roma Nord isn't a subway line (altough it's urban section is supposed to work as one) - it's a rural railway that just happens to have an underground terminus in Rome. For the rest of the route, it travels trough very rural, and very scenic lands, meaning that this line has a huge tourist potential, something wich would increase ridership (and thus revenue) several folds. The thing that angers me beyond belief is that tourist services actually were operated on the line (not even too far ago) with the 1930s ECD railcars and trailers, the so called "Treno della Tuscia", but with the transfer of the line's ownership to ATAC, the tourist services were halted (depsite a relatively good ridership!) and historical rolling stock withdrawn and abandoned to rot on sidings. A few years ago, ATAC even awarded a contract for the scrapping of all surviving historical rolling stock still on it's property (including, but not only limited to the ECD electric railcars and trailers, freight wagons, some of wich are more than 75 years old, and even the handful of surviving MR100 and MR200 series cars from 1955, Italy's first subway trains), and depsite the attempts (and begging) of various museums and preservation groups, ATAC is still stubbornly proceeding with the scrapping, even going as far as openly declaring that those trains are worth more as scrap metal than for historical preservation. Unfortunately, it is all too likely that no historical rolling stock will be spared from scrapping...
On the extra-urban route, the disaster began with the transfer from Cotral to Metro, which later merged with Atac. As a first measure, removing the ticket inspector and eliminating trains during the most convenient and crowded afternoon times clearly shows a lack of concern for the service. In fact, over the past 25 years, all the measures seem to have made train usage difficult and discouraged it. It’s no mystery that they want to close the Civita Castellana - Viterbo route after reducing the number of passengers this way. The old trains from the 1930s performed better than the current ones, which are too large and heavy for the way the line is built. Moreover, they were much cleaner. Back in the eighties, there were still first-class carriages with red imitation leather seats, curtains on the windows, and glass in the sliding doors. These carriages were meticulously maintained. Considering the way people use the line today, especially groups of tweens who often camp out in those trains while traveling, the old carriages would have been trashed within days.
From the 1st of July the management of the line has passed from ATAC, the company that manages the urban lines (bus + Metro) of Rome to Cotral + Astral, that is the company that manages the Lazio Extraurban Bus transport + Company that manages the maintenance of the regional roads of Lazio. From the projects presented, both the fleet and a large part of the line should be renewed . The timing for the renewal of the fleet and the line will clearly be the typical Roman ones, years before we see anything new on the line.
Hell of a ride. 2h40' for 102 km. Legend is the path was designed less straight than ever, to get more bends, as at the time 100years ago there were special fundings for rail lines exceeding 100km of lenght🤣🤣🤣
@@fredashay We used to for quite a while too here in Belgium (I'm sure some trains still do even, but those operate in Wallonia so "it's okay") but people still went to the toilet at stations so there was toilet paper scattered on the rails, really disgusting. I'm pretty sure we can't be surprised by this honestly, as I read how much this line in Italy has been neglected. There's probably so much more countries which you'd be surprised off that still use those systems
Oh hell no. You would never see a city train look like that in the US. If it does happen the train is pulled out of service and cleaned. I remember growing up in NY in the 80s when the trains looked like this. I haven’t seen it like that in over 30 years. I will take the NY subway over this trash any day of the week..
In Italy in the eighties the trains were clean. Then after the American films that showed the graffiti subculture masses of idiots started doing the same here too. And since no real measures have ever been taken against them, graffiti has become a cancer both on trains and in cities for a long time now. If a mayor like Giuliani arrived in Rome, which is in a state of disgust, he would immediately be accused of being fascist by the usual Italian left who consider graffiti art even when they are scribbles.
Here in Italy, a report is pubblished each year awarding the title of "the worst railway line" as voted by commuters. The "champion" of the title is the Roma-Lido Line, but the Roma-Viterbo isn't too far, and it's often considered a tie-in. The only thing that prevents the Roma-Viterbo line to be the absolute champion it's the incredible ruggedness and reliability of the Firema E84s, wich depsite the same abysmal levels of maintainance (and often even somehow worse) than the Roma-Lido, they miraculously keep running, saving the line from an all-too probable suspension of services, particularily in the outer-urban section towards Viterbo.
The Roma-Viterbo is very likely one of the most mistreated railway lines in the whole of italy, having suffered (and continuously suffering) from dreadful managements incapable or unwilling to take advantage of the line's relatively modern infrastructure (in the urban section) or scenic potentially-tourist-attractive interurban section, the last of wich has been of course the dreaded ATAC.
Rome's Creepy Underground Railway went several times a tad too close to being abolished and abandoned, each time for different reasons and in different decades - the only thing that saved this railway from a fate common to many similar railways (such as the Alifana bassa in Naples) being indeed it's "Creepy Underground" section, wich had been built underground (with a stroke of genius) in the 1930s to avoid car traffic above ground, and to have the line terminate in the city center instead in an outlying suburban station, often a cause (and an excuse) for poor ridership.
No meaningful investment on the line was made since it's opening in 1931 to the early 1980s, when a modernization of the urban section of the line was proposed, with the first new trains (the E84s of 1987) being the second type of train to enter in service on the line, running alongside the five ECD electric railcars (and trailers) of 1930.
Baffling, the ECD soldered in service on the Roma-Nord line until 2008 at least (!), assigned on interurban services after the majority of urban services was taken over by E84s. This is partly the reason why Flaminio has a low platform, as a terminus station it had to accomodate both interurban and urban services, altough it's no longer an excuse, since it has been 15 years since the retirement of the ECDs and standardization of the line's rolling stock to high-platform trains. Of course, ATAC is not planning, nor it has ever been planning for a decades-overdue upgrade of the station (not to mention basic maintainance and cleaning, leading to the current sorry state of an otherwise nice station).
Like the Roma-Lido, maintainance of the Roma-Viterbo line is below the bare minimium, and the infrastructure is likely in an even worse shape - absurd speed restrictions (in some sections even down to walking pace!) are in place due to the deterioration of the infrastructure, almost like if ATAC is willingly attempting to provoke the national railway saftey authority (ANSFISA) into forcing a cesation of services due to "unsafe condtitions", something that has been a death sentence for countless other regional railways, all victims of the same incompetence and deferred maintainance.
All considered, it's almost a miracle that the Roma-Viterbo is still operating (at any capacity and at any level of service), and as mentioned, this miracle has a series designation, being the handiwork of the Firema E84s only, as the newest stock (wich is now nearing 15 years of age!), an odd train built as a kit by Alstom and assembled by a small italian manufacturer, Costamansanga, are suffering from several breakdowns, and most are not in operable conditions.
On a related note, the Roma-Viterbo line is also infamous for being one of the railway lines in italy with the worst saftey record at level crossing, as in the interurban sections it's full of automatic level crossings, but without gates - lights, bells and crossbuck only. Fatal crashes with cars are extremely common, and to the detriment of the railway, in these cases it's the car driver that's always at fault (mobile phone usage while at the steering wheel contributes to nearly two thirds of these accidents), but it's the railway that comes out with a shattered reputation, often put under a bad light by the press as a "dangerous" and "unsafe" objects many would very well prefer to get rid of (feelings shared for any other Italian urban railway line, with or without level crossings, with or without meaninful traffic levels).
Finally, it's important to remember that the Roma Nord isn't a subway line (altough it's urban section is supposed to work as one) - it's a rural railway that just happens to have an underground terminus in Rome. For the rest of the route, it travels trough very rural, and very scenic lands, meaning that this line has a huge tourist potential, something wich would increase ridership (and thus revenue) several folds. The thing that angers me beyond belief is that tourist services
actually were operated on the line (not even too far ago) with the 1930s ECD railcars and trailers, the so called "Treno della Tuscia", but with the transfer of the line's ownership to ATAC, the tourist services were halted (depsite a relatively good ridership!) and historical rolling stock withdrawn and abandoned to rot on sidings.
A few years ago, ATAC even awarded a contract for the scrapping of all surviving historical rolling stock still on it's property (including, but not only limited to the ECD electric railcars and trailers, freight wagons, some of wich are more than 75 years old, and even the handful of surviving MR100 and MR200 series cars from 1955, Italy's first subway trains), and depsite the attempts (and begging) of various museums and preservation groups, ATAC is still stubbornly proceeding with the scrapping, even going as far as openly declaring that those trains are worth more as scrap metal than for historical preservation. Unfortunately, it is all too likely that no historical rolling stock will be spared from scrapping...
Very interesting, thank you
Hasn't ever the circumvesubiana won the contest?
@@e.d.gproductions7989 One year, yes. But the Roma-Lido has won it several times in a row.
On the extra-urban route, the disaster began with the transfer from Cotral to Metro, which later merged with Atac. As a first measure, removing the ticket inspector and eliminating trains during the most convenient and crowded afternoon times clearly shows a lack of concern for the service. In fact, over the past 25 years, all the measures seem to have made train usage difficult and discouraged it. It’s no mystery that they want to close the Civita Castellana - Viterbo route after reducing the number of passengers this way.
The old trains from the 1930s performed better than the current ones, which are too large and heavy for the way the line is built. Moreover, they were much cleaner. Back in the eighties, there were still first-class carriages with red imitation leather seats, curtains on the windows, and glass in the sliding doors. These carriages were meticulously maintained. Considering the way people use the line today, especially groups of tweens who often camp out in those trains while traveling, the old carriages would have been trashed within days.
Wow the fact that modern trains like these have Graffiti it feels just like the Mid-80's.
yeah its sad bec they look rly cool
It’s modern but old
In the 1980s in Italy, there were no graffiti on trains
Awesome observation of Train 👍♐️
From the 1st of July the management of the line has passed from ATAC, the company that manages the urban lines (bus + Metro) of Rome to Cotral + Astral, that is the company that manages the Lazio Extraurban Bus transport + Company that manages the maintenance of the regional roads of Lazio. From the projects presented, both the fleet and a large part of the line should be renewed .
The timing for the renewal of the fleet and the line will clearly be the typical Roman ones, years before we see anything new on the line.
This looks very pretty I would spend a day there in that sun
I like the sliding doors
Is this the last video on this? Since i really enjoyed the last one.
Creepy just like the city portion. Pity that the system languishes.
Thanks DJHTrains
Did you see the nostalgia stock at Coney Island a few weeks ago?
Beautiful adorei
@Barry Andersen ~ Via Della Stazione Laurentina ciao sono andato in giro con nuovo video
C'è cimitero flaminio li di Roma Tpl
@@vittorio9598 siii
Hell of a ride. 2h40' for 102 km. Legend is the path was designed less straight than ever, to get more bends, as at the time 100years ago there were special fundings for rail lines exceeding 100km of lenght🤣🤣🤣
not a legend.
There are some interesting lines to the south of the city. Perhaps you can do them too?
I thought RUclips was doing something about spambots, but the Соня spambot managed to post something here.
She wants the Polish Dog 😉 🌭
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Nice
Do you know or have an idea why the rails are painted white?
to prevent dilatation due to summer heat. Pretty common in italy on all railways sts, both national and private owned like this
What a mess this train! Better ignore!
ah yes 6 minutes of rome's railway.
Way in Italie the rails are white ?
I like the graffiti. Reminds me of 80s NYC
Metro in Italy looks like train from slums. 😅😅😅
Why would it be forbidden to use the toilet when the train is stopped???
Does the spinning of the wheels power the flush pumps or something?
The toilet empties directly onto the track.
@@isaaccheung8827 Ewwwww!!!! I would expect that in some place like China or North Korea or Africa or South America. But Italy does that?!?!
@@fredashay We used to for quite a while too here in Belgium (I'm sure some trains still do even, but those operate in Wallonia so "it's okay") but people still went to the toilet at stations so there was toilet paper scattered on the rails, really disgusting. I'm pretty sure we can't be surprised by this honestly, as I read how much this line in Italy has been neglected. There's probably so much more countries which you'd be surprised off that still use those systems
@@fredashay That’s actually true of the toilets on Chinese trains. And if you look down the hole (these are squat toilets) you can see the tracks.
Oh hell no. You would never see a city train look like that in the US. If it does happen the train is pulled out of service and cleaned. I remember growing up in NY in the 80s when the trains looked like this. I haven’t seen it like that in over 30 years. I will take the NY subway over this trash any day of the week..
In Italy in the eighties the trains were clean. Then after the American films that showed the graffiti subculture masses of idiots started doing the same here too. And since no real measures have ever been taken against them, graffiti has become a cancer both on trains and in cities for a long time now. If a mayor like Giuliani arrived in Rome, which is in a state of disgust, he would immediately be accused of being fascist by the usual Italian left who consider graffiti art even when they are scribbles.
Maybe you should make a second channel for non-English-speaking audiences
Then they'd be making a million channels to cater to every single language 😅
R u drunk?
There are graffiti on this train
Alright Try american If you ok with REAL CREEPY CREEPY
Second
Naw