It's always tricky doing a final glide, and being a bit lower than you should be. The goal is to decide early if you can make it, and if not do a proper circuit over a field and outland. Use a glide computer to help with the decision making. Make sure it includes a safety altitude or safety McCready. Then if it is under glide then you know you shouldn't risk it. With experience you can eye ball it. If you're not sure, err on the side of landing it safely in a field. In your video I would have been putting it into a field at 18:42 Ideally: - You should always be landing into wind. Identifying the *ground* wind direction is very important. - Decide on a field with enough altitude to do a circuit. - Do enough of a circuit so you can inspect the field, check for fences, stock etc. - Your approach onto finals should be at least 500 feet / 150m above ground. - Do your checks, in NZ we are trained to check our brakes when we start our circuit. Gliding until you hit the ground is not a good strategy, and I realise when there are lots of flat plowed fields it is very easy to do, and you'll likely get away with it. But it's all good until something un-expected happens e.g. you use the wrong leaver for the brakes, or hit un-expected sink. This time you got away with it, but next time you might run into a fence at the end of the field... and I have to say I've done such glides a few times too, squeaking into fields or the landing site. But I'm trying to not let myself do that any more, because it's not worth the risk.
Thank you very much for your comment. To be honest, I was waiting for your opinion and advice. I only can say that I totally agree with you. I would like to highlight that in normal conditions I should reach the airfield (I landed closer than 1000m to the runway), but I had -4m/s descent air mass from the last 15Km. In addition, I saw about 3-4 nice clouds on my track to the field, but it was late and none of them gave me a lift. Those situations killed my estimation of safely arriving at the airfield and the glide computer prediction. I was confident because I know very well the surroundings of my Airfield and I knew about this great area to land, but As you said, I could have found any type of surprise in my landing. After analysing all my decisions on the flight, maybe this was the worst one, and I will change this type of decisions for my future flights. I have learnt a lot from this flight and I hope that with the help of this type of comments and advice from experienced pilots, all the gliding community can improve the decision making process and flight safety actions. Once again...thank you very much for your opinion. These type of discussions are the reason for publishing this type of video. I think it can help the community to fly safer.
@@plazaba yeah it can be pretty tricky to find thermals once you’re down low especially if there is a bit of wind! Great video BTW, excellent production and great for learning. Cheers from NZ
What safety altitude or mccready do you consider to be suitable? Currently I use 200m additional to the 200m pattern altitude, but sometimes I arrived at the airport lower due to unexpected sink (however still enough altitude for a normal pattern).
@@GregorHarih There was a great webinar on the www.ssa.org website on Safety McCready, but it's no longer there since they changed their website. I'll try and track it down! It explains why a safety McCready is better than just a safety altitude, as it takes into account wind and other things.
It is important and good that such videos are on youtube. This allows you to learn from mistakes and avoid them in the future. It also takes a lot of courage to upload such videos, which I definitely respect. However, I find it strange how most of the comments for this video are positive about the landing. The pilot made many extremely dangerous mistakes. First of all, he did not look at possible outlanding options early enough. Instead, the pilot just flew straight. For a good outlanding, you should look for fields early enough and decide if the field is suitable for a landing. Then begin an approach at about 200 meters AGL. Thereby you fly downwind, base and final approach. You don't see any of that in this video. So what could have happened? On the one hand there could be obstacles like power lines in the approach, on the other hand there could be a fence, ditches or other obstacles on the field. With a normal outlanding you can recognize this early and avoid to another field. Thus, this landing was extremely dangerous and unprofessional. I would like to repeat that it is good that such videos exist on youtube. However, beginners should not take these videos as an example, but learn from the mistakes made there.
Totally agree with you. I have to say that I know very well the surroundings of my airfield, so I knew about this area before landing...But you are right, I would have to choose the field earlier. Thanks for your comment!!
Love the Info Overlays of the G-Force, Speed, Altitude, Direction etc. Adds a great perspective as to how the Glider is performing in it's current surroundings. Keep up the great work, and continue to learn as you go along.
Great video, good editing and comments. You were very lucky to have had zero damage in the outlanding, flying straight in, (seemingly) not determining wind direction and not flying a circuit. Closeby airfields are like magnets causing us to loose focus on how much reserve we really have. In the Swiss alps we were taught to use a 20:1 glide ratio to calculate reserve altitude to make it back to the airfield... Thanks for sharing - great education material.
Nice mash-up video and I like how you organized with timestamps. I have an exam soon related about outlanding with a glider. Thank you for sharing your experience!
A really well produced video, both the way you explain what you were thinking and the mix of film with data is excellent. I am a UK instructor with about 3,000 hours. I agree with everyone else that at the end you should have committed to land earlier - but well done for landing safely. On the final glide, you flew fairly direct, avoiding some clouds to the left of track. If the lift is under clouds and you don't fly under the clouds then you will fly mainly through sink so I generally fly under clouds on the final glide even if I have to fly further. Earlier in the flight, though it is difficult to be sure from the video and also I don't know the conditions where you fly, I thought that often you do not bank steeply enough in thermals, and also it seemed you often change the direction of circling. If so, that is not normally the best approach. The early decision to fly downwind to the clouds, or upwind of track where it was blue, was a difficult decision. With thermals under small thin clouds, it is quite possible that there were 'blue' thermals upwind of track towards the east. The forecast might have indicated whether this was likely. If you get a long way downwind of track your task time will be very slow, so you are less likely to get round the task. Your big decisions were correct, to go back towards the airfield the first time, to set off again once there were good clouds in view even though on what was actually your third try you were not likely to complete the task, and then to abandon the task and fly back towards the airfield. All those decisions were good - and you very nearly made it. Best wishes from the UK.
Thank you very much for your comment. The opinion of an instructor is always welcome and much appreciated. I agree with you, but when you are that low and it is your first time...it is not easy to take the best decitions...and this is exactly the purpose of the video, to help people not making the same mistakes I made.
Felicitaciones y gracias por subirlo. Estoy comenzando a volar, no es que sea un experto en la materia pero me animo a decir que el haber despegado un poco tarde, sumado a ese momento de indecisión que tuviste en el primer tramo fueron los factores fundamentales para no terminar la prueba. Por otro lado durante el tramo inicial personalmente hubiese dado prioridad a las elecciones hacia la izquierda porque se notaba un fuerte viento lateral que te hubiera derivado hacia el primer checkpoint y no fuera del curso y por otro lado hubiese aumentado las probabilidades de encontrar térmicas. No se qué opinas. Saludos desde Argentina!
Hola juan. Muchas gracias por tu comentario! Creo que el salir tarde fue muy decisivo y como dices, esa medio vuelta tampoco ayudó en nada. Sin embargo creo que elegir el camino de las nubes no fué mala elección. El techo era bajo y sin nubes vas a ciegas...creo que no hubiese encontrado una térmica y me hubiese quedado al principio de la ruta sin poder avanzar. El viento efectivamente fué un handicap...pero bueno, otra vez será!!!! 😀
Excelente video y me alegro de que al final encontraste la manilla de los frenos. Soy piloto y instructor de vuelo ubicado las Montañas Rocosas de Colorado Si alguna vez vienes a EEUU te invito a volar conmigo en nuestro biplaza aqui en Steamboat Springs. Puedes encontrar nuestro club y vuelos en OLC. Saludos, Roberto
Hola Roberto. WAUU!!!! Muchisimas gracias por la invitación!! me la apunto para cuando vaya a EEUU. Si pasas por España y te apetece volar, no dudes en avisarme, tu también estás invitado a un vuelo en mi club. Puedes encontrarlo aquí: www.aeroclubdetoledo.com/contentts/
Hello! What an amazing video! I have a question, what device recorded those datas like slip, roll, pitch? I have a gopro hero 8, but that can't record these datas, only the alt, speed, heading, g forces.
Soo close. It seems like you were leaving the thermals a bit early. If you would have gained just another 100m in that last thermal I think you would have made it
Es correcto, además aún cuando el ascenso no era importante el viento te acercaba a tu aeródromo, buena suerte la próxima vez, todo es experiencia !!!!
Actually not if you want to make good task time.. this is the first rookie thing you do when flying cross country, take every thermal to the top. It just takes much more time and your average speed drops like hell. Seasoned cross country flyers take less thermals, choose the better ones , fly energy lines better and neglect the weak ones, and fly longer and lower before taking the next one. But as said before these are all normal behaviours you get better at. I remember my first overland, i would only start the task if i had 2000m agl minimum. Now i start at 650 sometimes 😂
@@zendesigner Agreed if you're trying to make good time, and maybe I wasn't clear, but I only meant to refer to the part where he was just trying to get home and lift was getting harder to find.
@@emotodude yeah true , sorry didn't read your comment correctly. Now this is is of course a much better learning experience then just landing back home ;-).. Just keep it safe and fun.. you can learn for the next 30 years to come anyway... :-) it's a great sport
La verdad es que fue una pasada compartir la tarde con él. Me alegro mucho de que a través de su canal se haya dado difusión al vuelo sin motor, un vuelo ecológico y silencioso donde las únicas fuerzas que gobiernan su dinámica son de origen 100% natural. Todos aquellos que queráis probarlo y sentir como vuela un pájaro, no dudéis en escribirme a enrique.plaza.baez@gmail.com
As glider instructor and overland pilot i see nothing much extremely wrong.. you just underestimated the effect of the high cirrus clouds. And of course check that camera,s etc are not getting in the way..i would have landed out more quickly. At 200 meters you commit to landing. Dont keep focussing on final glide target if you cant reach it. The rest track choice, thermal time, nr of thermals, weather estimation are all normal for a beginning overland pilot. You will get better every flight, you just need to train that by flying.. nice compilation video? Have fun
Thank you very much for your comment. Having the opinion of experienced glider instructors is very interesting and didactical. I really appreciate your advice and I will take it into account the next time!!
@@plazaba thanks it's a great sport you can keep improving for the rest of your life.. just another tip. The ridge lift you sought at around 12.22m probably gave you the opposite result in deep sink , cause you probably went to much to the left with the wind coming from the right. so you were actually flying on the lee side where the rolling wave drops down again. Then choosing the city to find a thermal was a good decision. Cities always give thermals especially at the end of the day when the sun is going down. they have been heating up for all day. also you did good to keep fighting low to survive. in an intermittent low thermal keep hanging on a +0.1 for example , cause the thermal will release 5-10 minutes later. so if low it's a better choice to survive there then to find another one. of course pick out your landing field already before. in case it doesn't come through :-). And make sure you flightcomputer has the right plane profile and test your final glide (higher) to make sure it's correct. final glide to airport to arrive on 300m's for example. then you know it will be good if your final glide is low. always keep a reserve of 100m at least though. :-)
I don't understand. You landed pretty much where you took off from . Why is your altimeter reading ~700m? Even if you completed your task as planned you again would have finished where you started from.
Hello and thanks for your comment!!. You have to consider that the altitude is above the main sea level. If you look at the beginning of the video, the initial altitude was 678 and the altitude after landing is 678, Almost the same.😊
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It's always tricky doing a final glide, and being a bit lower than you should be. The goal is to decide early if you can make it, and if not do a proper circuit over a field and outland. Use a glide computer to help with the decision making. Make sure it includes a safety altitude or safety McCready. Then if it is under glide then you know you shouldn't risk it. With experience you can eye ball it. If you're not sure, err on the side of landing it safely in a field. In your video I would have been putting it into a field at 18:42
Ideally:
- You should always be landing into wind. Identifying the *ground* wind direction is very important.
- Decide on a field with enough altitude to do a circuit.
- Do enough of a circuit so you can inspect the field, check for fences, stock etc.
- Your approach onto finals should be at least 500 feet / 150m above ground.
- Do your checks, in NZ we are trained to check our brakes when we start our circuit.
Gliding until you hit the ground is not a good strategy, and I realise when there are lots of flat plowed fields it is very easy to do, and you'll likely get away with it. But it's all good until something un-expected happens e.g. you use the wrong leaver for the brakes, or hit un-expected sink. This time you got away with it, but next time you might run into a fence at the end of the field... and I have to say I've done such glides a few times too, squeaking into fields or the landing site. But I'm trying to not let myself do that any more, because it's not worth the risk.
Thank you very much for your comment. To be honest, I was waiting for your opinion and advice.
I only can say that I totally agree with you. I would like to highlight that in normal conditions I should reach the airfield (I landed closer than 1000m to the runway), but I had -4m/s descent air mass from the last 15Km. In addition, I saw about 3-4 nice clouds on my track to the field, but it was late and none of them gave me a lift. Those situations killed my estimation of safely arriving at the airfield and the glide computer prediction. I was confident because I know very well the surroundings of my Airfield and I knew about this great area to land, but As you said, I could have found any type of surprise in my landing. After analysing all my decisions on the flight, maybe this was the worst one, and I will change this type of decisions for my future flights. I have learnt a lot from this flight and I hope that with the help of this type of comments and advice from experienced pilots, all the gliding community can improve the decision making process and flight safety actions.
Once again...thank you very much for your opinion. These type of discussions are the reason for publishing this type of video. I think it can help the community to fly safer.
@@plazaba yeah it can be pretty tricky to find thermals once you’re down low especially if there is a bit of wind! Great video BTW, excellent production and great for learning. Cheers from NZ
What safety altitude or mccready do you consider to be suitable? Currently I use 200m additional to the 200m pattern altitude, but sometimes I arrived at the airport lower due to unexpected sink (however still enough altitude for a normal pattern).
@@GregorHarih There was a great webinar on the www.ssa.org website on Safety McCready, but it's no longer there since they changed their website. I'll try and track it down! It explains why a safety McCready is better than just a safety altitude, as it takes into account wind and other things.
@@plazaba You'll enjoy Tim's Pure Glide channel: he's a very thoughtful and experienced pilot (as well as being a nice guy).
It is important and good that such videos are on youtube. This allows you to learn from mistakes and avoid them in the future. It also takes a lot of courage to upload such videos, which I definitely respect.
However, I find it strange how most of the comments for this video are positive about the landing. The pilot made many extremely dangerous mistakes.
First of all, he did not look at possible outlanding options early enough. Instead, the pilot just flew straight. For a good outlanding, you should look for fields early enough and decide if the field is suitable for a landing. Then begin an approach at about 200 meters AGL. Thereby you fly downwind, base and final approach. You don't see any of that in this video. So what could have happened? On the one hand there could be obstacles like power lines in the approach, on the other hand there could be a fence, ditches or other obstacles on the field. With a normal outlanding you can recognize this early and avoid to another field. Thus, this landing was extremely dangerous and unprofessional. I would like to repeat that it is good that such videos exist on youtube. However, beginners should not take these videos as an example, but learn from the mistakes made there.
Totally agree with you. I have to say that I know very well the surroundings of my airfield, so I knew about this area before landing...But you are right, I would have to choose the field earlier. Thanks for your comment!!
Love the Info Overlays of the G-Force, Speed, Altitude, Direction etc. Adds a great perspective as to how the Glider is performing in it's current surroundings. Keep up the great work, and continue to learn as you go along.
Thank you very much for your words. They are much appreciated!!!
Huge compliment though on the way you handle this feedback! 👏🏻
Great video, good editing and comments. You were very lucky to have had zero damage in the outlanding, flying straight in, (seemingly) not determining wind direction and not flying a circuit. Closeby airfields are like magnets causing us to loose focus on how much reserve we really have. In the Swiss alps we were taught to use a 20:1 glide ratio to calculate reserve altitude to make it back to the airfield... Thanks for sharing - great education material.
Thanks for your comment!!!
Nice mash-up video and I like how you organized with timestamps.
I have an exam soon related about outlanding with a glider. Thank you for sharing your experience!
Thanks for your comment!!
A really well produced video, both the way you explain what you were thinking and the mix of film with data is excellent. I am a UK instructor with about 3,000 hours. I agree with everyone else that at the end you should have committed to land earlier - but well done for landing safely. On the final glide, you flew fairly direct, avoiding some clouds to the left of track. If the lift is under clouds and you don't fly under the clouds then you will fly mainly through sink so I generally fly under clouds on the final glide even if I have to fly further. Earlier in the flight, though it is difficult to be sure from the video and also I don't know the conditions where you fly, I thought that often you do not bank steeply enough in thermals, and also it seemed you often change the direction of circling. If so, that is not normally the best approach. The early decision to fly downwind to the clouds, or upwind of track where it was blue, was a difficult decision. With thermals under small thin clouds, it is quite possible that there were 'blue' thermals upwind of track towards the east. The forecast might have indicated whether this was likely. If you get a long way downwind of track your task time will be very slow, so you are less likely to get round the task. Your big decisions were correct, to go back towards the airfield the first time, to set off again once there were good clouds in view even though on what was actually your third try you were not likely to complete the task, and then to abandon the task and fly back towards the airfield. All those decisions were good - and you very nearly made it. Best wishes from the UK.
Thank you very much for your comment. The opinion of an instructor is always welcome and much appreciated. I agree with you, but when you are that low and it is your first time...it is not easy to take the best decitions...and this is exactly the purpose of the video, to help people not making the same mistakes I made.
excellent video ! thanks for sharing.. I was getting nervous together with you ! happy landing...
Thank you very much for your comment!!
Amazing content, perfect for me as a newcomer into cross country soaring!
Subscribed and looking for future videos and analysis!💯
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Bonito vídeo y análisis del vuelo de tu primera toma fuera
Gracias Pablo Luis!!!
amazing content! i subbed, keep it up! cheers from italy
Thankss!!
Thank you!
Good landing. Congrats. You are the most optimistic pilot in the universe. WARNING!!: We are not going to push this whale again
😂😂😂😂😂. Thanks for helping with my little Janus mate!!!
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Thanks!!
Well, looks like you almost made it! Great job getting it down safely.
Felicitaciones y gracias por subirlo. Estoy comenzando a volar, no es que sea un experto en la materia pero me animo a decir que el haber despegado un poco tarde, sumado a ese momento de indecisión que tuviste en el primer tramo fueron los factores fundamentales para no terminar la prueba. Por otro lado durante el tramo inicial personalmente hubiese dado prioridad a las elecciones hacia la izquierda porque se notaba un fuerte viento lateral que te hubiera derivado hacia el primer checkpoint y no fuera del curso y por otro lado hubiese aumentado las probabilidades de encontrar térmicas. No se qué opinas. Saludos desde Argentina!
Hola juan. Muchas gracias por tu comentario! Creo que el salir tarde fue muy decisivo y como dices, esa medio vuelta tampoco ayudó en nada. Sin embargo creo que elegir el camino de las nubes no fué mala elección. El techo era bajo y sin nubes vas a ciegas...creo que no hubiese encontrado una térmica y me hubiese quedado al principio de la ruta sin poder avanzar. El viento efectivamente fué un handicap...pero bueno, otra vez será!!!! 😀
Excelente video y me alegro de que al final encontraste la manilla de los frenos. Soy piloto y instructor de vuelo ubicado las Montañas Rocosas de Colorado Si alguna vez vienes a EEUU te invito a volar conmigo en nuestro biplaza aqui en Steamboat Springs. Puedes encontrar nuestro club y vuelos en OLC. Saludos, Roberto
Hola Roberto. WAUU!!!! Muchisimas gracias por la invitación!! me la apunto para cuando vaya a EEUU. Si pasas por España y te apetece volar, no dudes en avisarme, tu también estás invitado a un vuelo en mi club. Puedes encontrarlo aquí: www.aeroclubdetoledo.com/contentts/
Hello!
What an amazing video! I have a question, what device recorded those datas like slip, roll, pitch? I have a gopro hero 8, but that can't record these datas, only the alt, speed, heading, g forces.
Hello, thanks for tour comment!!. I use Garmin virb V30 for recording video and data.
Soo close. It seems like you were leaving the thermals a bit early. If you would have gained just another 100m in that last thermal I think you would have made it
Thanks for tour comment. Maybe yes, I was so clóset tomthe airfield
Es correcto, además aún cuando el ascenso no era importante el viento te acercaba a tu aeródromo, buena suerte la próxima vez, todo es experiencia !!!!
Actually not if you want to make good task time.. this is the first rookie thing you do when flying cross country, take every thermal to the top. It just takes much more time and your average speed drops like hell. Seasoned cross country flyers take less thermals, choose the better ones , fly energy lines better and neglect the weak ones, and fly longer and lower before taking the next one. But as said before these are all normal behaviours you get better at. I remember my first overland, i would only start the task if i had 2000m agl minimum. Now i start at 650 sometimes 😂
@@zendesigner Agreed if you're trying to make good time, and maybe I wasn't clear, but I only meant to refer to the part where he was just trying to get home and lift was getting harder to find.
@@emotodude yeah true , sorry didn't read your comment correctly. Now this is is of course a much better learning experience then just landing back home ;-).. Just keep it safe and fun.. you can learn for the next 30 years to come anyway... :-) it's a great sport
Very interesting video. Well done.
Thank you very much
This year will do my gliders certification, very good videos and text, will follow on U. Cheers from Poland, place they produce Jantars. ;)
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La verdad es que fue una pasada compartir la tarde con él. Me alegro mucho de que a través de su canal se haya dado difusión al vuelo sin motor, un vuelo ecológico y silencioso donde las únicas fuerzas que gobiernan su dinámica son de origen 100% natural. Todos aquellos que queráis probarlo y sentir como vuela un pájaro, no dudéis en escribirme a enrique.plaza.baez@gmail.com
As glider instructor and overland pilot i see nothing much extremely wrong.. you just underestimated the effect of the high cirrus clouds. And of course check that camera,s etc are not getting in the way..i would have landed out more quickly. At 200 meters you commit to landing. Dont keep focussing on final glide target if you cant reach it. The rest track choice, thermal time, nr of thermals, weather estimation are all normal for a beginning overland pilot. You will get better every flight, you just need to train that by flying.. nice compilation video? Have fun
Thank you very much for your comment. Having the opinion of experienced glider instructors is very interesting and didactical. I really appreciate your advice and I will take it into account the next time!!
@@plazaba thanks it's a great sport you can keep improving for the rest of your life.. just another tip. The ridge lift you sought at around 12.22m probably gave you the opposite result in deep sink , cause you probably went to much to the left with the wind coming from the right. so you were actually flying on the lee side where the rolling wave drops down again. Then choosing the city to find a thermal was a good decision. Cities always give thermals especially at the end of the day when the sun is going down. they have been heating up for all day. also you did good to keep fighting low to survive. in an intermittent low thermal keep hanging on a +0.1 for example , cause the thermal will release 5-10 minutes later. so if low it's a better choice to survive there then to find another one. of course pick out your landing field already before. in case it doesn't come through :-). And make sure you flightcomputer has the right plane profile and test your final glide (higher) to make sure it's correct. final glide to airport to arrive on 300m's for example. then you know it will be good if your final glide is low. always keep a reserve of 100m at least though. :-)
What did you use for telemetry data?
Hello. I use Garmin virb V30 camera
I don't understand. You landed pretty much where you took off from . Why is your altimeter reading ~700m? Even if you completed your task as planned you again would have finished where you started from.
Hello and thanks for your comment!!. You have to consider that the altitude is above the main sea level. If you look at the beginning of the video, the initial altitude was 678 and the altitude after landing is 678, Almost the same.😊