I studied this video because I thought it posed an interesting thought problem. I noticed a few things: Between your first and second starts, your net gain was about 300m, in roughly 15 minutes to return to start point. This is because you had to retrace due to wind drift. This is a net climb of only 0.3 m/s, very weak. Likewise, when you circle near Turleque, then work your way back to where you started circling, your net gain to the same point was about 800m, out of a 1400m climb. Unsure of timing there, but still very weak on a net basis. Along the way, I notice that your GR Cruise is decaying down to 13:1, and MC auto down to 1.0 from 1.3 around the start. On a net basis, these are very weak conditions, and apparently decaying. Just because your friend got back without an outlanding doesn't mean it was a good decision to continue, it may have just been luck finding a thermal on a blue day. My opinion is that the warning signs were clearly there. Not sure why that particular task route was chosen, it may have been desirable to put your home airport 10-15k out on the leg so that it was closer if you needed to abort the task. Given the heavy wind drift, your effective climb rates were much smaller than indicated. In conjunction with a poor MC and blue conditions making finding thermals a crapshoot, a turnaround earlier was probably well indicated. BTW, admire your videos overall. Great camera setup. It takes courage to put your flights up for review. We all can learn from these.
WOWWW What a detailed analysis!!! It is much appreciated. Thank you very much for your time. This type of comments push me to continue editing this type of video. Thank you very much.
After landing, during ground handling, I recommend the canopy always be closed and locked. You do not know when a strong gust will slam the canopy closed and damage it. And if you only close the canopy, but do not lock it...strong wind can open it suddenly and cause damage.
Thank you very much. Very interesting issue!! I will close it in future outlandings. In normal operation I always close the canopy, but in this unusual situations it is easy to forget some important details....thanks for your comment
Luque!!! Cuando llevas razón, hay que dártela. ¡¡¡¡Que haría yo sin mis salvadores!!!! Mil gracias a Teresa, Ramón, Luque y Alejandro por sacarme de los sembrados!!!! La próxima que no se nos olvide la foto!!!!😅
Buen aterrizaje,no se si es efecto de la cámara pero parece que en la toma tienes el plano derecho un poco bajo, si ese plano se engancha con el suelo puede darte un susto. Otras 3 sugerencias; En vuelos de distancia cala el altímetro a nivel del mar, no todos los campos tienen la misma elevación que tu aerodromo y los calculos de sobrevuelo de collados y montañas son mas faciles. La segunda sugerencia es que si vas por un sitio por el que no encuentras nada, no vuelvas atrás por el mismo recorrido, seguro no encontraras nada. La tercera es que en los días de viento las térmicas se localizan preferentemente en las laderas orientadas, cuando traces tu tarea, localiza laderas orientadas al viento a lo largo de la ruta, como posibles lugares donde subir. Buenos vuelos.
Hola Iñaqui. En primer lugar, me gustaría agradecer tu comentario. Tener feedback de un instructor de vuelo con tu reputación es una autentica maravilla. Efectivamente, no es por la cámara, el plano derecho se me quedó bajo en la fase final del aterrizaje. Afortunadamente no había ningún obstáculo ni se engancho con nada, pero me lo apunto para la próxima. Respecto a calar el altímetro a nivel del mar para hacer distancia, la verdad es que en Lillo siempre lo calaba a 0, pero ahora mismo me encuentro haciendo un curso de vuelo en montaña en Saint Auban y le estoy viendo las ventajas....me lo apunto para futuros vuelos de distancia aunque sea en plano. Lo de no volver por el mismo camino tiene todo el sentido del mundo, de hecho, analizando el vuelo con otros compañeros, me han dicho exactamente lo mismo. otra lección aprendida para los siguientes vuelos. En cuanto al tema de la ladera, la verdad es que estábamos lejos de ninguna ladera, en este vuelo era complicado, pero para futuros vuelos seguro que lo puedo aplicar. Muchísimas gracias por tus consejos, todos ellos super interesantes, espero que no solo para mi, sino para todo aquel que vea el video y pueda aprender un poquito, que al final es el propósito del canal...
Thanks for sharing your adventures, and thanks for “allow me” be part of your recoveries 😉 Next winter we´ll practise how not to abandon a weak thermal
Thanks my friend, for your comments and for helping me to recover my little toy...!! For sure, I have much to learn about optimal gliding techniques!!! ;)
I re-designed the panel with the required spaces in CATIA and then cut it by CNC in carbon fiber. Then I designed the mount for the tablet and made it by 3d printer in resin. One interesting feature is the removal system for the tablet. After the flight I can remove the tablet and take it to home to analyse the log and along the week prepare and load the task for the next weekend in the device that will use for the flight. This is very useful for me :)
Nicely done video! The terrain you fly over looks similar to the western US. Blue days and strong wind are a bad combination for XC-flights. Did your friends make it home again? Did I see/hear that correctly that you landed with a tail-wind? Anyways - you and the glider were ok! Keep trying and post more. 😊
Thanks for your Comment Uli. I have to say that my friend did not finish the task, but he arrived at our home airfield. I landed with front wind, and I have to say that the wind helped for a softer landing. Having 30Km/h front wind, makes you have much smaller ground speed, so the landing manoeuvre is much slower than without wind (relative to ground, the Air speed is the same).
Thanks for sharing the video! I'm a glider pilot in Belgium, but I spent quite some time in Spain. Entonces, hablo un poco de Castillano. Ola amigo, tengo una pregunta ... qual es el club de pleneadores mas cerca de Murcia?
Thanks for sharing the video, just wondering are you not worried at all about the stick holding the camera to be a huge risk factor for just a tiny gain ? I’d be worried as hell that it could break and damage the glider .. anyway the video is great 👍
This Stick has been tested on ground with very heavy forces. It can support up to 100Kg. I tested it until it broke on ground. These test let me know it will not break in flight or in hard landing conditions. Thanks for your comment!!
Muy buenos tus vídeos, pero en inglés y sin subtítulos en español, poco se promocionará esta gran afición entre los curiosos que quieran conocer más y no conozcan el idioma sajón.
Gracias por tus comentarios. Desafortunadamente, los videos que hice en español apenas tenían visitas. De hecho tienen mas visitas con origen España los videos que hago en Ingles que los que hice en Español. El algoritmo de youtube es misterioso... Hoy en día la mayor parte de la juventud entiende Inglés. Este canal busca difundir y aumentar la comunidad volovelista, sobre todo entre los más jóvenes, y estos, afortunadamente cada vez hablan más inglés. Hacer videos en ingles supone un esfuerzo extra a la hora de producir los videos, pero creo que merece la pena. Al final, lo que este canal busca es dar a conocer y promocionar el vuelo sin motor, sin importar el origen de los espectadores. El inglés es el idioma mas extendido, más aún entre la comunidad volovelista.
That's the problem with blue days, it's just a bit of luck if you miss that critical one, and worse fly around in the sink between the thermals you missed :) A couple of comments on your landing if you would allow me: - It looked like the wing was nearly touching the ground on landing? It's critical to keep the wings level when outlanding, otherwise you risk a ground loop if the wing gets caught on some grass. You really can break the tail off with a ground loop. - It looked like you turned base and then final approach at around 200 feet, then 100 feet AGL? (thanks for the graphics BTW!) That's too low, ideally you should be on finals 500 feet (150m) AGL, maybe 300 or 400 minimum. Especially when it is windy. Especially if you are new to outlanding. That gives you more time to line everything up, and get the wings level. I realise not many trees or buildings around here so you can get away with it. Travelling down wind that low to the ground can easily produce the 'feeling' of going to fast, and you can let the speed drop too far, and stall it. Anyway I hope you wanted feedback! Nice video, I know how much work they are to produce. Keep it up.
Thank you very much, your comments are always much appreciated!!. 😀😀 --The wing almost touches the ground, but after looking for any scratch in the wing, I can say that the wing did not touch the ground, at least not with enough force to make any damage. --Regarding the altitudes, I have to say that all the measurements are in meters in the video. If you look at the minute 14.00, you can see that I do the base at 100m.After this, I jump to the final part of the landing for media purposes,, maybe this jump can show that i was lower at the final part of the landing. Any case, I agree with you, a little bit more altitude would be nice. I decided to use the altitude I had for 2 low turns around the field looking for any stone or obstacles. I felt like I had enough altitude and time to do a safe landing this time, but I write down your comment. For the next time, I will try to do the tail wind with some more altitude. Thank you very much for your comments, this is the best way to continue learning!!!
@@plazaba the concern with not keeping the wings levelled is that it could have caught a bush or something and ground looped. Fortunately nothing happened, but something to work on :)
I seems, that you didnt do a Real base flight at the end. You went directly in the final. The base allows you the prelong your final if you are to high or shorten it if you are to low. And then you can shift a little bit better right and left if its a narrow and or more difficult landing field.
Thanks for your comment!! You can see the base fron 13:55 to 13:58. The video is accelerated x7 , It means that I did 21 seconds base. I was flying around 20m/s. That means that I did 420m base. Maybe It is a little bit short, but muy feeling in flight was nice.
I studied this video because I thought it posed an interesting thought problem. I noticed a few things: Between your first and second starts, your net gain was about 300m, in roughly 15 minutes to return to start point. This is because you had to retrace due to wind drift. This is a net climb of only 0.3 m/s, very weak. Likewise, when you circle near Turleque, then work your way back to where you started circling, your net gain to the same point was about 800m, out of a 1400m climb. Unsure of timing there, but still very weak on a net basis. Along the way, I notice that your GR Cruise is decaying down to 13:1, and MC auto down to 1.0 from 1.3 around the start. On a net basis, these are very weak conditions, and apparently decaying. Just because your friend got back without an outlanding doesn't mean it was a good decision to continue, it may have just been luck finding a thermal on a blue day. My opinion is that the warning signs were clearly there. Not sure why that particular task route was chosen, it may have been desirable to put your home airport 10-15k out on the leg so that it was closer if you needed to abort the task. Given the heavy wind drift, your effective climb rates were much smaller than indicated. In conjunction with a poor MC and blue conditions making finding thermals a crapshoot, a turnaround earlier was probably well indicated. BTW, admire your videos overall. Great camera setup. It takes courage to put your flights up for review. We all can learn from these.
WOWWW What a detailed analysis!!! It is much appreciated. Thank you very much for your time. This type of comments push me to continue editing this type of video. Thank you very much.
muy buen video Enrique!!
Eiiii. Gracias Pablo!!! ;)
Great ! Thank you for sharing your flight !
Thanks for your comment!! Much appreciated :)
After landing, during ground handling, I recommend the canopy always be closed and locked. You do not know when a strong gust will slam the canopy closed and damage it. And if you only close the canopy, but do not lock it...strong wind can open it suddenly and cause damage.
Thank you very much. Very interesting issue!! I will close it in future outlandings. In normal operation I always close the canopy, but in this unusual situations it is easy to forget some important details....thanks for your comment
Ya se nos está empezando a olvidar dar las gracias al equipo de recogida ... Muy buena edición.
Luque!!! Cuando llevas razón, hay que dártela. ¡¡¡¡Que haría yo sin mis salvadores!!!! Mil gracias a Teresa, Ramón, Luque y Alejandro por sacarme de los sembrados!!!! La próxima que no se nos olvide la foto!!!!😅
Buen aterrizaje,no se si es efecto de la cámara pero parece que en la toma tienes el plano derecho un poco bajo, si ese plano se engancha con el suelo puede darte un susto. Otras 3 sugerencias; En vuelos de distancia cala el altímetro a nivel del mar, no todos los campos tienen la misma elevación que tu aerodromo y los calculos de sobrevuelo de collados y montañas son mas faciles. La segunda sugerencia es que si vas por un sitio por el que no encuentras nada, no vuelvas atrás por el mismo recorrido, seguro no encontraras nada. La tercera es que en los días de viento las térmicas se localizan preferentemente en las laderas orientadas, cuando traces tu tarea, localiza laderas orientadas al viento a lo largo de la ruta, como posibles lugares donde subir.
Buenos vuelos.
Hola Iñaqui. En primer lugar, me gustaría agradecer tu comentario. Tener feedback de un instructor de vuelo con tu reputación es una autentica maravilla. Efectivamente, no es por la cámara, el plano derecho se me quedó bajo en la fase final del aterrizaje. Afortunadamente no había ningún obstáculo ni se engancho con nada, pero me lo apunto para la próxima. Respecto a calar el altímetro a nivel del mar para hacer distancia, la verdad es que en Lillo siempre lo calaba a 0, pero ahora mismo me encuentro haciendo un curso de vuelo en montaña en Saint Auban y le estoy viendo las ventajas....me lo apunto para futuros vuelos de distancia aunque sea en plano. Lo de no volver por el mismo camino tiene todo el sentido del mundo, de hecho, analizando el vuelo con otros compañeros, me han dicho exactamente lo mismo. otra lección aprendida para los siguientes vuelos. En cuanto al tema de la ladera, la verdad es que estábamos lejos de ninguna ladera, en este vuelo era complicado, pero para futuros vuelos seguro que lo puedo aplicar. Muchísimas gracias por tus consejos, todos ellos super interesantes, espero que no solo para mi, sino para todo aquel que vea el video y pueda aprender un poquito, que al final es el propósito del canal...
Magistral!!!! Gracias.
Thanks for sharing your adventures, and thanks for “allow me” be part of your recoveries 😉
Next winter we´ll practise how not to abandon a weak thermal
Thanks my friend, for your comments and for helping me to recover my little toy...!! For sure, I have much to learn about optimal gliding techniques!!! ;)
you are making some amazing videos! subded.
Thank you very much for your comment!!! I am very happy to hear that people find them interesting. 😀😀
Buenos videos! Gracias por compartir.
Gracias a ti por comentar!
How did you mount the tablet into the panel? Nice video anyway keep it up!
I re-designed the panel with the required spaces in CATIA and then cut it by CNC in carbon fiber. Then I designed the mount for the tablet and made it by 3d printer in resin. One interesting feature is the removal system for the tablet. After the flight I can remove the tablet and take it to home to analyse the log and along the week prepare and load the task for the next weekend in the device that will use for the flight.
This is very useful for me :)
@@plazaba Gracias :)
Gracias
Gracias a tí Pablo!!!
Great video and editing. How do you get telemetry in the video?
Thanks for your comment. With the Garmin virb ultra 30 and the software Virb edit. I Made my own custom graphics ;)
@@plazaba very nice!
Nicely done video! The terrain you fly over looks similar to the western US. Blue days and strong wind are a bad combination for XC-flights. Did your friends make it home again? Did I see/hear that correctly that you landed with a tail-wind?
Anyways - you and the glider were ok! Keep trying and post more. 😊
Thanks for your Comment Uli. I have to say that my friend did not finish the task, but he arrived at our home airfield. I landed with front wind, and I have to say that the wind helped for a softer landing. Having 30Km/h front wind, makes you have much smaller ground speed, so the landing manoeuvre is much slower than without wind (relative to ground, the Air speed is the same).
Thanks for sharing the video! I'm a glider pilot in Belgium, but I spent quite some time in Spain. Entonces, hablo un poco de Castillano. Ola amigo, tengo una pregunta ... qual es el club de pleneadores mas cerca de Murcia?
Actually I think the closest one is Real Aeroclub de Toledo (RACT). IT is place in Lillo, in Castilla la Mancha.
Thanks for your comment!!
Thanks for sharing the video, just wondering are you not worried at all about the stick holding the camera to be a huge risk factor for just a tiny gain ? I’d be worried as hell that it could break and damage the glider .. anyway the video is great 👍
This Stick has been tested on ground with very heavy forces. It can support up to 100Kg. I tested it until it broke on ground. These test let me know it will not break in flight or in hard landing conditions. Thanks for your comment!!
Muy buenos tus vídeos, pero en inglés y sin subtítulos en español, poco se promocionará esta gran afición entre los curiosos que quieran conocer más y no conozcan el idioma sajón.
Gracias por tus comentarios. Desafortunadamente, los videos que hice en español apenas tenían visitas. De hecho tienen mas visitas con origen España los videos que hago en Ingles que los que hice en Español. El algoritmo de youtube es misterioso... Hoy en día la mayor parte de la juventud entiende Inglés. Este canal busca difundir y aumentar la comunidad volovelista, sobre todo entre los más jóvenes, y estos, afortunadamente cada vez hablan más inglés. Hacer videos en ingles supone un esfuerzo extra a la hora de producir los videos, pero creo que merece la pena. Al final, lo que este canal busca es dar a conocer y promocionar el vuelo sin motor, sin importar el origen de los espectadores. El inglés es el idioma mas extendido, más aún entre la comunidad volovelista.
That's the problem with blue days, it's just a bit of luck if you miss that critical one, and worse fly around in the sink between the thermals you missed :)
A couple of comments on your landing if you would allow me:
- It looked like the wing was nearly touching the ground on landing? It's critical to keep the wings level when outlanding, otherwise you risk a ground loop if the wing gets caught on some grass. You really can break the tail off with a ground loop.
- It looked like you turned base and then final approach at around 200 feet, then 100 feet AGL? (thanks for the graphics BTW!) That's too low, ideally you should be on finals 500 feet (150m) AGL, maybe 300 or 400 minimum. Especially when it is windy. Especially if you are new to outlanding. That gives you more time to line everything up, and get the wings level. I realise not many trees or buildings around here so you can get away with it. Travelling down wind that low to the ground can easily produce the 'feeling' of going to fast, and you can let the speed drop too far, and stall it.
Anyway I hope you wanted feedback!
Nice video, I know how much work they are to produce. Keep it up.
Thank you very much, your comments are always much appreciated!!. 😀😀
--The wing almost touches the ground, but after looking for any scratch in the wing, I can say that the wing did not touch the ground, at least not with enough force to make any damage.
--Regarding the altitudes, I have to say that all the measurements are in meters in the video. If you look at the minute 14.00, you can see that I do the base at 100m.After this, I jump to the final part of the landing for media purposes,, maybe this jump can show that i was lower at the final part of the landing. Any case, I agree with you, a little bit more altitude would be nice. I decided to use the altitude I had for 2 low turns around the field looking for any stone or obstacles. I felt like I had enough altitude and time to do a safe landing this time, but I write down your comment. For the next time, I will try to do the tail wind with some more altitude.
Thank you very much for your comments, this is the best way to continue learning!!!
@@plazaba the concern with not keeping the wings levelled is that it could have caught a bush or something and ground looped. Fortunately nothing happened, but something to work on :)
@@rafabeton609 Thanks for the comment Rafa. I will keep this in mind in the next Outlanding.
I seems, that you didnt do a Real base flight at the end. You went directly in the final. The base allows you the prelong your final if you are to high or shorten it if you are to low. And then you can shift a little bit better right and left if its a narrow and or more difficult landing field.
Thanks for your comment!! You can see the base fron 13:55 to 13:58. The video is accelerated x7 , It means that I did 21 seconds base. I was flying around 20m/s. That means that I did 420m base. Maybe It is a little bit short, but muy feeling in flight was nice.
@@plazaba Oh, I didnt notice that and overlooked that the video was accelerated. That time seems really good for the base :)
Como puedo contactarte para volar en españa? Yo vuelo en Francia. Gracias
Gracias por el comentario! Puedes escribirme al mail: enrique.plaza.baez@gmail.com
If you took off some of the selfie sticks you may not have had to land out
I do not think so. I landed far from my airfield, it was not about 1000m....