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  • Опубликовано: 4 апр 2024
  • This is the story of Paul Guadalupe Gonzales, the Dine and Dash Dater of Pasadena California
    #dineandditch #dineanddashattempt #pasadena #truecrime #raywilliamjohnson
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  • @chemical_35
    @chemical_35 Месяц назад +868

    That guy didn't even want to get in their pants , he just wanted food.

    • @haitianboi6269
      @haitianboi6269 Месяц назад +41

      Fax, he’s smart 😂

    • @JoE-ij1ts
      @JoE-ij1ts Месяц назад +79

      The man's a food digger😂

    • @mikefabbi5127
      @mikefabbi5127 Месяц назад

      I don't see the big lots of girls go on dates to get a free meal and I'm sure they've done it more than once.

    • @narlascripts
      @narlascripts Месяц назад +1

      how is that even possible

    • @scottgresham6759
      @scottgresham6759 29 дней назад

      All those dates, could have been laid with a handle of different flavored ladies...but no

  • @JA6XN
    @JA6XN Месяц назад +2207

    RWJ: Do *NOT* date this guy
    *well there goes my weekend plans*

  • @budwilliams7908
    @budwilliams7908 Месяц назад +39

    I know 7 women who go on dates for free food...
    Why is it a scam when dudes do it?

    • @ElleDeas
      @ElleDeas 12 дней назад

      Did they ask out the guy or did the guy ask them?

    • @Girlhead
      @Girlhead 6 дней назад +6

      Well, there's a huge difference between understanding that a person will pay and ditching you with the entire bill when there's no such understanding. I split all my bills (I'm a woman) with the guy. I have covered meals as well.

    • @Aequitas887
      @Aequitas887 5 дней назад +1

      @@Girlhead respect to you but a fair amount of other women may not split the bill or expect to be paid for. Lucky for me most I encountered are decent and offer to pay their share.

    • @zarbilzerian
      @zarbilzerian 3 дня назад

      A real gentleman always pay the bills. ​@@Aequitas887

  • @Blue2x2x
    @Blue2x2x Месяц назад +94

    Ray: "Don't date this guy"
    With all his targets being women... I'm sure that he's not going to go near Grindr. So, my wallet is safe.

  • @Spread_The_Gospel_Pls
    @Spread_The_Gospel_Pls Месяц назад +432

    “UNTIL…” has to be one of the most inspirational quotes ever. Gives me goosebumps.

    • @nernguan1210
      @nernguan1210 Месяц назад +6

      Inspirational? Quotes? What are you smoking?

    • @KarlyAbernathy
      @KarlyAbernathy Месяц назад

      shut up like farmer

    • @sandygZ0035
      @sandygZ0035 Месяц назад +4

      I love the "UNTIL"...... Cos you know the 💩 is about to hit the fan!!

    • @brittanymiller4671
      @brittanymiller4671 Месяц назад

      I know! I love the twist​@@sandygZ0035

    • @TheChrisP-rq2yl
      @TheChrisP-rq2yl Месяц назад

      ​@@nernguan1210nice one

  • @Yourhandleneedstobeatleast
    @Yourhandleneedstobeatleast Месяц назад +260

    Only if police were this involved in ACTUAL important cases.

    • @darksideofevil13
      @darksideofevil13 Месяц назад +19

      Ummm Rays covered a bunch of these were they were.

    • @Boltz_art
      @Boltz_art 20 дней назад

      @@darksideofevil13fr

    • @108bobman
      @108bobman 14 дней назад +3

      It’s not like they put all their resources into the case. It was just assigned to one officer who likely had multiple cases besides that one.

  • @ericksonokerio8108
    @ericksonokerio8108 Месяц назад +85

    Ray, don't give up, your doing an amazing job. You have no Idea how your videos help👊🏾

  • @entrepreneur-michael
    @entrepreneur-michael Месяц назад +94

    thank you for saving me ray. I was about to go on a date with that man

  • @leightonknutson
    @leightonknutson Месяц назад +91

    She thinks he's FIWNE!!! 😂😆

  • @Melisa.slayz123
    @Melisa.slayz123 Месяц назад +201

    FIONE!
    got me!😂😂

    • @Hispanic.ald0
      @Hispanic.ald0 Месяц назад +1

      @Ronniemcfloyd.your content: ass

    • @MaryRain9
      @MaryRain9 Месяц назад

      @Ronniemcfloyd. Bro shut your goofy ahh up

    • @ThatOneSussyBakaFr
      @ThatOneSussyBakaFr Месяц назад +8

      ​@Ronniemcfloyd. Your not him your not cold bro

    • @AirParticlez
      @AirParticlez Месяц назад

      Me to 😂😂

    • @jerryfootball21
      @jerryfootball21 26 дней назад

      @RonnieMcFloyd.u only got two vids bro

  • @UnknownNameUnknownNumber
    @UnknownNameUnknownNumber 29 дней назад +78

    So when a girl sticks the man with a bill it's a date, but when a woman pays for a bill, the man committed a crime🤨

    • @niccooper7007
      @niccooper7007 19 дней назад

      You really don't know the difference between agreed upon dating situations and scams? No wonder no one wants to date you. 😂😂

    • @thomsonhomson
      @thomsonhomson 15 дней назад +8

      welcome to the red pill

    • @ElleDeas
      @ElleDeas 12 дней назад +11

      Organizer pays. It’s that simple. You’re not sticking someone with the bill if they’re the one that invited you out for a date.

    • @RishitSrivastava007
      @RishitSrivastava007 12 дней назад +2

      @@ElleDeas it isnt mentioned that that paul himself organized those dates tho.

    • @ElleDeas
      @ElleDeas 12 дней назад +2

      @@RishitSrivastava007 It’s a safe assumption to make, and the women said that they were invited out.

  • @SolariumV
    @SolariumV Месяц назад +403

    That “until” gives me chills 💀

    • @LeolxYt
      @LeolxYt Месяц назад +5

      I love William i almost dated that guy he saved me😅

    • @Big_fodrat
      @Big_fodrat Месяц назад +6

      @Ronniemcfloyd. aint no way

    • @hanin70
      @hanin70 Месяц назад +7

      ​@Ronniemcfloyd. Not really

    • @TR3NT0Nyt
      @TR3NT0Nyt Месяц назад +5

      @Ronniemcfloyd.shut up

    • @LovelyDove825
      @LovelyDove825 Месяц назад +1

      Yas

  • @RoyBlox
    @RoyBlox Месяц назад +83

    everyone gangsta til ray says 'UNTILLLLLLLLLLLL'

  • @IronKidOfficial
    @IronKidOfficial Месяц назад +72

    I love these kind of stories

  • @michelleb7399
    @michelleb7399 Месяц назад +27

    I’m impressed that someone in law enforcement took this serious enough to spend that much time on the case and that Paul was actually prosecuted and given real consequences. And dang, he really was an all-around scammer… being caught selling knock-offs even.

  • @Eilishno.4
    @Eilishno.4 Месяц назад +4

    I love these videos looking forward to watching them everyday!! 🫶

  • @Jamiet136
    @Jamiet136 Месяц назад +9

    The, GOTCHA B!?# got me on the floor 😂😂

  • @DelroySmith-fn6ii
    @DelroySmith-fn6ii Месяц назад +5

    Please continue Making videos I love Your videos ❤ It's amazing ❤

  • @ptolemyhenson6838
    @ptolemyhenson6838 Месяц назад +105

    I thought this was another one of those live action things.

    • @Lxzyfor0
      @Lxzyfor0 Месяц назад

      @Ronniemcfloyd.omg.shut up pls

    • @BabybatMiranda
      @BabybatMiranda Месяц назад

      @Ronniemcfloyd.slit

    • @Xh0Q
      @Xh0Q Месяц назад +8

      @Ronniemcfloyd.ur parents are siblings

    • @64thTrucks
      @64thTrucks Месяц назад +3

      ​@@Xh0Q 😂😂😂 you are the best

    • @LyricThat1Kid
      @LyricThat1Kid Месяц назад +1

      Ikr?

  • @midnight3682
    @midnight3682 Месяц назад +67

    But why jail time …..a fine should have been enough …. that wasn’t a crime

    • @JohnDoe-vw4zf
      @JohnDoe-vw4zf Месяц назад +7

      It was a crime

    • @BazzaroPlays
      @BazzaroPlays Месяц назад +4

      This is what jail is for, prison is for felonies.

    • @midnight3682
      @midnight3682 29 дней назад +17

      @@JohnDoe-vw4zf how so ???
      Please enlighten me where is that written or is it just an assumed crime ??

    • @RandomEdits217
      @RandomEdits217 28 дней назад +6

      @@midnight3682 idk maybe cause the repetitive times not paying or it could be scaming in a sense

    • @theveryworstluck1894
      @theveryworstluck1894 25 дней назад +19

      @@JohnDoe-vw4zf So, every time I've gone out with a girl and she neglected to bring her wallet, I could've had them arrested?

  • @Fallenfromgrace1990
    @Fallenfromgrace1990 Месяц назад +10

    And this is why I always do coffee shop first dates. 😂

  • @kevingodfrey3091
    @kevingodfrey3091 Месяц назад +37

    Three misdemeanor counts of defrauding an innkeeper by nonpayment and one misdemeanor count of petty theft.

    • @Ivar97
      @Ivar97 8 дней назад

      That's such a stretch. Women do this and that's fine, a man does this and it's a crime. It's not a scam. It's just complaints

  • @mainelady2020
    @mainelady2020 Месяц назад

    Love ur videos🎉🎉🎉

  • @Arun999
    @Arun999 Месяц назад

    Thank you for putting in the cities. :)

  • @anonymoussss77
    @anonymoussss77 Месяц назад +9

    Ray you will always be the GOAT 🐐

  • @rafaellavratti
    @rafaellavratti Месяц назад +268

    What actually is the crime committed?

    • @desmond3092
      @desmond3092 Месяц назад +20

      I have no idea 😂😂

    • @WillHurtUrFeelingz
      @WillHurtUrFeelingz Месяц назад +100

      He was male.

    • @TheBaggydog
      @TheBaggydog Месяц назад +15

      Probably fraud

    • @WillHurtUrFeelingz
      @WillHurtUrFeelingz Месяц назад +61

      @@TheBaggydog not fraud. They went out on a date at a restaurant to eat. No promises were made.

    • @TheBaggydog
      @TheBaggydog Месяц назад +18

      @WillHurtUrFeelingz She went on a date his intention was going to get a free meal.

  • @DJ24817
    @DJ24817 Месяц назад

    Nah the way you said fine got me 😂😂

  • @ankurseth007
    @ankurseth007 Месяц назад +1

    Ray can u do some wholesome videos too also please some do reaction videos too

  • @izayus11
    @izayus11 29 дней назад +6

    Women r just mad he got into their game and had moderate success.

  • @Mystic_Shiki
    @Mystic_Shiki Месяц назад +3

    Its a scummy thing to do but if a woman did it she won't be in jail 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @HorrorandScience
    @HorrorandScience Месяц назад +20

    If I ever had a great day and heard Ray say until in real life, I'd be terrified.

  • @colelamphier9124
    @colelamphier9124 29 дней назад

    The way he went "foooiiineee"got me rolling 😂😂

  • @sages101
    @sages101 Месяц назад +5

    Lmao, this guy is a legend 😂

  • @screwflywife
    @screwflywife Месяц назад +9

    That's how you get screwed on the first date without risk of STD. Also, always go Dutch.

  • @daxterthefox
    @daxterthefox Месяц назад

    hey ray, thanks to your t shirt, i found a new band i can listen to :D

  • @Leito_o-
    @Leito_o- 20 дней назад

    The “FOINE” got me laughing so hard I spit my milk 😂😂😂😂

  • @MarcellJjr
    @MarcellJjr Месяц назад +8

    On the other hand, they do this to us, and get praised for it! Telling all of the girlfriends of how they walked out because the date was at such and such restaurant

  • @AS-el6jb
    @AS-el6jb Месяц назад +24

    If that happens, can you just pay for your own food, then tell the waiters that the dude who ordered all the steaks and lobsters just dipped? Then you would only need to pay for your own food while the dine and dasher gets in trouble for dine and dashing

    • @vincentlucario5450
      @vincentlucario5450 Месяц назад +14

      You can, but people usually “feel bad” about bringing someone like that, so they just pay for it and eat the loss.

    • @laartwork
      @laartwork Месяц назад +6

      Because that's embarrassing

  • @gregmcqueen4540
    @gregmcqueen4540 25 дней назад

    I like the way you present your stories, excellent drawing ✍️!! It should be told a little slower though

  • @MiaGomez-vu3ho
    @MiaGomez-vu3ho 19 дней назад

    0:20 the way ray says fineee is so hilarious i chocked on my own spit

  • @jerrythediarrheaseel3199
    @jerrythediarrheaseel3199 Месяц назад +3

    Women do this all the time to guys. They'll go out with a guy just to get a free meal and ghost them afterwards, using them the way he did. He just took it up a notch and left her with the bill 😂

  • @axcentric
    @axcentric Месяц назад +5

    thats the storyline of half the wonen of dating apps

    • @hamlet557
      @hamlet557 Месяц назад +1

      Do they disappear?
      Probably it's something you said that made them afraid of you.

    • @Mustafa_08_
      @Mustafa_08_ Месяц назад +1

      ​@@hamlet557 why are you so pressed? Insecure much

  • @Porter_Howard333
    @Porter_Howard333 Месяц назад +2

    I think saw this case on dateline 😂

  • @blackqueenconnylove9345
    @blackqueenconnylove9345 Месяц назад

    😅. Is that UUNTILL for me😂. And the muckshot is the icing on the cake 😂😂😂

  • @mateuszdziewierz2938
    @mateuszdziewierz2938 Месяц назад +32

    if this was really a crime half the women on tinder would be in jail. his only crime was being a man.

    • @casualweekday-ytshadowbang2469
      @casualweekday-ytshadowbang2469 Месяц назад +2

      Yup. Zero days for them.

    • @izayus11
      @izayus11 29 дней назад +2

      Half? All bars nowadays don't allow tuning tabs and make you pay upfront (or leave your cc on hold) because all women will drink and dash

  • @rafa1z1
    @rafa1z1 Месяц назад +3

    I thought that with equality, women wouldn't mind paying for dinner.

  • @DavidRamirez-vc8dr
    @DavidRamirez-vc8dr Месяц назад +2

    Evening the playing field. My man

  • @47adeeb40
    @47adeeb40 Месяц назад +2

    It's all fun and games until Ray says "UNTIL" 😂😂

  • @Daki-147
    @Daki-147 Месяц назад +16

    What would he even be charged for? Being an a-hole?

  • @Skincare660
    @Skincare660 Месяц назад

    This is the daily news I need

  • @MrTheZios
    @MrTheZios Месяц назад +1

    0:50 i love the "Le Merde" on the 250$ tab 😂

  • @JoshuaWashington-wn2io
    @JoshuaWashington-wn2io Месяц назад +9

    Yea how is this illegal

    • @larsbrresen8495
      @larsbrresen8495 23 дня назад

      They are supposed to ask or share the bill

    • @bambuco2
      @bambuco2 18 дней назад

      @@larsbrresen8495 😂😂😂

    • @larsbrresen8495
      @larsbrresen8495 15 дней назад +1

      Like it sint illegal but its not that Nice

    • @MrTLsnow
      @MrTLsnow 8 дней назад

      @@larsbrresen8495 4 months in jail though?

  • @dz-zf8vv
    @dz-zf8vv Месяц назад +3

    If a Girl doing something like this, all girls like:"he is a creep, u did well, power to the woman". If a guy du shady stuff, he goes for 120days in jail...

  • @regdogg
    @regdogg Месяц назад

    That “until” made me giggle lmao

  • @Purple_Girl1009
    @Purple_Girl1009 Месяц назад +2

    "And Moon thinks Paul is FONE😂😂"

  • @williamc1711
    @williamc1711 27 дней назад +3

    Hold up. When women date guys judt for free meals, no one bats an eye. But when the tables are flipped, he gets the cops on him? The math ain't math'n...

  • @ya00007
    @ya00007 Месяц назад +9

    what crime did he commit?

    • @BazzaroPlays
      @BazzaroPlays Месяц назад

      Dine and ditched essentially he conned the women. Because when he sat down its under the assumption there will be payment for the services of the establishment. He snuck out to dodge responsibility.

    • @Legendarycraw
      @Legendarycraw 21 день назад +1

      @@BazzaroPlaysexpectations? We never stayed we were y’all just assume that us men will always pay

    • @ElleDeas
      @ElleDeas 12 дней назад

      @@Legendarycrawif you organize the date then you’re the responsible party.

    • @Legendarycraw
      @Legendarycraw 12 дней назад +1

      @@ElleDeas who said I did?

  • @aerelyamirart
    @aerelyamirart Месяц назад

    😂 When Ray says "IS FWINE~" 😂

  • @Hopeswiftie
    @Hopeswiftie Месяц назад +8

    Why would anybody do that?! Psychotic

    • @bumblebee7547
      @bumblebee7547 Месяц назад +11

      Women do that all the time

    • @Hopeswiftie
      @Hopeswiftie Месяц назад +3

      @@bumblebee7547 I said anybody

  • @roxyosway8376
    @roxyosway8376 Месяц назад +9

    FOINE.....😂😂😂

  • @AaliyahRoa
    @AaliyahRoa 10 дней назад

    Thank you Ray, I was about to go on a date with this man, but you stopped me just in time.

  • @HyenaPaint
    @HyenaPaint Месяц назад +10

    How was THAT man convincing that many women to talk to him let alone go out with him?

    • @jinmori918
      @jinmori918 29 дней назад +2

      Because a lot of y’all are gullible

    • @bambuco2
      @bambuco2 18 дней назад

      People are desperate and lonely

  • @CeedeeSolosu
    @CeedeeSolosu Месяц назад +3

    We wating all day for the
    *Until*

  • @susetearaujo7461
    @susetearaujo7461 Месяц назад

    I Love your vids

  • @LeeAnn19697
    @LeeAnn19697 Месяц назад +1

    Insync?is this subliminal 😂I'm scared lol

  • @user-mi4qv1ku2v
    @user-mi4qv1ku2v Месяц назад +5

    THE REAL FANS ARE HERE

    • @user-mi4qv1ku2v
      @user-mi4qv1ku2v Месяц назад

      @Ronniemcfloyd. does it look like we care

    • @RoyBlox
      @RoyBlox Месяц назад

      @Ronniemcfloyd. aint no way the UTTP are attacking rwj

  • @Keith_Courage
    @Keith_Courage Месяц назад +4

    Mans really orders 2 meals😂😂😂 and skadaddled

  • @Drinkprime347
    @Drinkprime347 Месяц назад +1

    This gives me the chills😊

  • @dr.thaliaw9881
    @dr.thaliaw9881 16 дней назад

    “Moon thinks Paul is Foynnne!”😂😂😂😂😂

  • @SuSZ1ll4
    @SuSZ1ll4 Месяц назад +19

    wtf that Isn't even a crime

    • @kandyky2056
      @kandyky2056 12 дней назад +2

      Actually scamming is a crime

    • @Swishy8
      @Swishy8 12 дней назад

      56 sec ago​@@kandyky2056

    • @SuSZ1ll4
      @SuSZ1ll4 12 дней назад +4

      @@kandyky2056 that Isn't scamming

    • @rileyspence1403
      @rileyspence1403 8 дней назад

      Welcome to being white!!

    • @Unknownshorts271
      @Unknownshorts271 14 часов назад

      Cuz society cares for women

  • @pradeepmalar327
    @pradeepmalar327 Месяц назад +17

    First dates only for dine and dash? Lol, that's the pettiest thing to do

  • @akibhasan5434
    @akibhasan5434 Месяц назад

    I just love it when he says UNTIL!!

  • @Dayserking
    @Dayserking Месяц назад

    The “Le Merde” restaurant receipt tho!! 😭😂

  • @trippyson8902
    @trippyson8902 Месяц назад +14

    Bros a legend

  • @thebruceisloose7595
    @thebruceisloose7595 Месяц назад +79

    What did they charged him with? How is that even a crime.

    • @coreyoleary7089
      @coreyoleary7089 Месяц назад +49

      It's fraud or theft by swindle fits for both.

    • @SkibidiLeakz
      @SkibidiLeakz Месяц назад

      ​@@coreyoleary7089 Lots of women are committing fraud then.

    • @basicbacon5951
      @basicbacon5951 Месяц назад

      Charged for being a dickhead

    • @vincentlucario5450
      @vincentlucario5450 Месяц назад +25

      He did it enough times and in high enough amounts to warrant a crime, potentially even felony charges.

    • @DoomFinger511
      @DoomFinger511 Месяц назад +63

      @@coreyoleary7089 That's a weak charge. If this was a women doing this, no one would care.

  • @Forwardaphid80
    @Forwardaphid80 Месяц назад +1

    Can you cover the Dyatlov Pass incident

  • @steven_solos
    @steven_solos Месяц назад +1

    Can you cover the 44 days in hell case?

  • @briantumbledown4259
    @briantumbledown4259 Месяц назад +6

    What goes around comes around ladies!

  • @shaunashwood
    @shaunashwood 23 дня назад +2

    I wonder, if a girl/woman left the date or "serial dated" for dinners, would the police organize a tack force to track her down? Uhhh, I don't think so.

  • @user-xs3fb3cf6c
    @user-xs3fb3cf6c Месяц назад +1

    Dude like your shirt😉

  • @cxireen2193
    @cxireen2193 Месяц назад +7

    Looks like the tables had turned.

  • @emilybosserman2042
    @emilybosserman2042 Месяц назад +3

    I love his style.I love how he tells the storif.He doesn't care if anybodyeah tell him not to do him❤❤

  • @Mccallfam-jm7bb
    @Mccallfam-jm7bb Месяц назад +1

    “And moon thinks Paul is FWINE!”😭

  • @Dominic-bo7fs
    @Dominic-bo7fs Месяц назад +1

    Love the shirt

  • @Mr.Hooter702
    @Mr.Hooter702 Месяц назад +4

    Paul is a legend.

  • @Speedy2Chizzy3
    @Speedy2Chizzy3 Месяц назад +4

    Hearing “Until” is a death wish for the people in the videos 💀

  • @darkside4779
    @darkside4779 Месяц назад +1

    I am always waiting for the UNTILLL

  • @DPJonze
    @DPJonze Месяц назад +1

    Your thumbnail caricature looks like Jon Hamm...the real dude looks like Bert from Sesame Street

  • @lilash6041
    @lilash6041 Месяц назад +5

    Never trust a stranger to leave the table lol

  • @soorajsingh4382
    @soorajsingh4382 Месяц назад +15

    This guy is a hero. Not the one we deserve but the one we need.

  • @sharnierelf7287
    @sharnierelf7287 Месяц назад +2

    The why you say fine😂😂😂😂 I’m CRYING 😂

  • @JackGrandComedy
    @JackGrandComedy Месяц назад

    I can always tell when Ray is about to say “until”

  • @adzensway7560
    @adzensway7560 Месяц назад +118

    When a woman does it it’s ok but when a guy does it it’s not ok, what a hypocrisy!!!

    • @stella.111
      @stella.111 Месяц назад

      it’s not okay when a woman does it

    • @ricaivory6571
      @ricaivory6571 Месяц назад +16

      The women aren't leaving the restaurant, that's the difference. If he stayed too, then there could be no complaints.

    • @adzensway7560
      @adzensway7560 Месяц назад +39

      @@ricaivory6571 tf are you talking about? women leave too, have seen so many videos about women bragging about how they got free meal

    • @Gnexz.
      @Gnexz. Месяц назад

      @@adzensway7560then they’re equally guilty of scamming

    • @Cabezadepollanegro
      @Cabezadepollanegro 28 дней назад

      @@ricaivory6571but there are still cases where women ditched in the middle and weren’t charged

  • @tahmidalaviishmam9847
    @tahmidalaviishmam9847 Месяц назад +5

    🎉I love this guy.🎉🎉

  • @CanadiansInCarsGettingCocky
    @CanadiansInCarsGettingCocky Месяц назад +6

    Paul's a friggin LEGEND! 😂

  • @JennieBanks
    @JennieBanks Месяц назад

    Are you wearing a N’Sync tshirt??? I love it! You are amazing.

  • @Beasties4ever._22
    @Beasties4ever._22 Месяц назад +4

    * cough cough * until 😭😭😭😭 the cough 💀😭😭

  • @jath2540
    @jath2540 Месяц назад +18

    Women do this all the time to men and yet they don’t get arrested?

  • @paulmillbank3617
    @paulmillbank3617 Месяц назад +1

    This was done on an episode of, The Rookie. Season 1 episode 12. I wonder if he got the idea first or if he got the idea from this episode

  • @GMFN_CR
    @GMFN_CR Месяц назад +5

    Stopping the kids by saying first