Remember him? This TV show made him kill his gay friend

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  • Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
  • This is the story of Jonathan Schmitz and Scott Amedure, who had an encounter after Scott confessed his love for Jonathan on the Jenny Jones show
    #truestory #truecrime #michigan #jennyjones #raywilliamjohnson

Комментарии • 764

  • @theofficialfatplatypous
    @theofficialfatplatypous 3 месяца назад +2624

    me realizing slowly as im getting brutally mutilated that ray william johnson is going to say i was unalived with a pew pew

    • @Veewyfaithfilled
      @Veewyfaithfilled 3 месяца назад +33

      What 😰

    • @Cookieboy70
      @Cookieboy70 3 месяца назад +81

      Id die with a smile on my face with that as my last memory.

    • @Detective_L
      @Detective_L 3 месяца назад +18

      You mean killed with a gun? Not this pew pew nonsense

    • @harryhanz1690
      @harryhanz1690 3 месяца назад +32

      You never heard of the Pew Pew Firearms Company?

    • @lnylth
      @lnylth 3 месяца назад +2

      ​@@harryhanz1690 Nope

  • @ZandiA_Arts
    @ZandiA_Arts 3 месяца назад +951

    "He flirted with me so i killed him" is crazy- the last time some dude flirted with me i just said thanks and moved on-

    • @Dominade
      @Dominade 3 месяца назад +25

      Bruh 💀

    • @ZandiA_Arts
      @ZandiA_Arts 3 месяца назад +18

      @@Dominade ?

    • @stejer211
      @stejer211 3 месяца назад +39

      Yeah, but you don't question or suppress your sexuality, like Scott did.
      Hope he found his answer in prison, lol.

    • @Bigsauce7593
      @Bigsauce7593 3 месяца назад

      ​@@stejer211scott was the victim of the shooting

    • @Cabledeluz1977
      @Cabledeluz1977 3 месяца назад +45

      This was the 1990’s. A completely different era

  • @Crooftop
    @Crooftop 3 месяца назад +2687

    Jenny Jones and similar shows shouldn't exist.

    • @Itsurecanglitchsomemore
      @Itsurecanglitchsomemore 3 месяца назад

      Tell that to the u.s!
      😂😂😂
      The u.s should not exist!

    • @hardcorenativextreme
      @hardcorenativextreme 3 месяца назад +65

      Tell that to the audience that watches them

    • @Itsurecanglitchsomemore
      @Itsurecanglitchsomemore 3 месяца назад +32

      So does the u.s!
      Now cry me a river

    • @Moon_bowYT
      @Moon_bowYT 3 месяца назад +36

      Yeah it’s not their business to interfere with people’s personal lives.

    • @markkostka6897
      @markkostka6897 3 месяца назад +31

      Jenny Jones hasn't had a show for decades.

  • @lachicafun
    @lachicafun 3 месяца назад +617

    Once I saw Jenny Jones I knew exactly what this was about. So sad.

  • @MrJigglenaut
    @MrJigglenaut 3 месяца назад +2546

    Jenny Jones should definitely have been held accountable.

  • @BlazerZX
    @BlazerZX 3 месяца назад +868

    News: 👎
    Ray: 👍

  • @Claudia_Crimson_585
    @Claudia_Crimson_585 3 месяца назад +476

    Jenny made him feel very uncomfortable and I don't understand why any of them thought this would be okay.

    • @violinda.
      @violinda. 3 месяца назад +19

      Because tElEvIsIon

    • @Tricethelibra
      @Tricethelibra 3 месяца назад +31

      He did make the decision to go onto the show blindly 🤷🏽‍♀️ He couldn’t have been THAT uncomfortable 🫣 I do think it was more embarrassment, but he didn’t have to unalive his friend, smh 😢

    • @daishawn2884
      @daishawn2884 3 месяца назад +8

      ​@@Tricethelibraexactly, he didn't have to do that

    • @IzzyBonBon88
      @IzzyBonBon88 3 месяца назад

      He killed a man. Pretty sure that thought isn’t okay. Who cares how he felt. You just don’t kill people.

    • @Jefe-qh8kd
      @Jefe-qh8kd 26 дней назад +1

      Jenny didn't think it was ok. That's why she did it.

  • @informationyes
    @informationyes 3 месяца назад +121

    He cared so much about the idea of a friend's crush but not about how everyone thinks he's a murderer?

    • @Deleted-User12535
      @Deleted-User12535 5 дней назад +2

      Idk man but I would be frustrated too

    • @informationyes
      @informationyes 5 дней назад

      @@Deleted-User12535 Lots of things will make us frustrated in life thats something we have to learn how to deal with and manage

  • @mancave10369
    @mancave10369 3 месяца назад +825

    Would anyone else here just take a moment to cool off rather than killing someone in a rage unless you were that mentally unstable?

    • @LeonShuriken
      @LeonShuriken 3 месяца назад

      yes being in an enraged state of being is totally the moment when people start to think straight and compose themselves... shut up you dork

    • @sunte91
      @sunte91 3 месяца назад +34

      It does seem like the much better alternative 😂

    • @lurkzie
      @lurkzie 3 месяца назад +45

      Easier said when its not happening to you.. maybe the guy went through a psychotic episode, who knows?

    • @Grumpydragons
      @Grumpydragons 3 месяца назад +10

      I would go to a rage room if I was that mad

    • @zuzumontague
      @zuzumontague 3 месяца назад +7

      @@Grumpydragons rage rooms didn’t exist in 1995.

  • @hardieharrharr
    @hardieharrharr 3 месяца назад +176

    Anybody that says the Jenny Jones show was liable for this death has NO clue about accountability. The show had NO idea that death would have been the outcome for any of its guests. The dude agreed to be on the show and HE later pulled the trigger. That's like saying a gun shop is responsible for somebody shooting another person.

    • @DwightStJohn-w1l
      @DwightStJohn-w1l 3 месяца назад +1

      Gun shops don't pull your unseen triggers.

    • @Orca4135
      @Orca4135 3 месяца назад +20

      Yeah the Jenny Jones show just sounds like a bad idea to me, and I wouldn’t want to be on it, but he agreed to it, none of this is their fault.

    • @Diorsvmz
      @Diorsvmz 2 месяца назад

      EXACTLY

    • @ch87-z3w
      @ch87-z3w Месяц назад +1

      it may bring some effect but MURDER?? hell no.

  • @imranayaanhashim2430
    @imranayaanhashim2430 3 месяца назад +554

    I don't think the show is liable. I mean he still shouldn't have killed his friend

    • @pbsuite
      @pbsuite 3 месяца назад +19

      But they pushed him

    • @werewookiee
      @werewookiee 3 месяца назад +105

      Saying someone has a crush on you is NOT pushing someone to murder ​@@pbsuite

    • @Bigsauce7593
      @Bigsauce7593 3 месяца назад +42

      ​@@pbsuitenobody pushed dude to unalive his friend. He snapped and did it

    • @worf792
      @worf792 3 месяца назад +5

      ​@@werewookieeit could be a traumatising experience for him. He had diffrent expectations of what hé agreed to. I would be humiliated af.

    • @kristenkidd3982
      @kristenkidd3982 3 месяца назад +36

      ​@@pbsuitethey did not, they told him someone had a crush, he went to the show knowing someone had a crush that would be revealed on tv, and then snapped when he didn't like the crush. That's all on him.

  • @hardcorenativextreme
    @hardcorenativextreme 3 месяца назад +140

    The first 10 seconds, for those that know the beforehand knew where this was going.

  • @paigeagainstthemachine7550
    @paigeagainstthemachine7550 3 месяца назад +26

    The art in these seriously just keeps getting better. 🎨🖌️

  • @intriguingfacts1483
    @intriguingfacts1483 3 месяца назад +259

    Imagine if that note was just to notify Johnathan abouts 'offers' and not suggestive at all...

    • @Claudia_Crimson_585
      @Claudia_Crimson_585 3 месяца назад +6

      What kind of offers?

    • @kristenkidd3982
      @kristenkidd3982 3 месяца назад +21

      Like, offers for an extended car warranty?

    • @Aquanians
      @Aquanians 3 месяца назад +6

      @@kristenkidd3982 Well played, well played

    • @OGGAMINGL1VE
      @OGGAMINGL1VE 3 месяца назад

      what are you saying 😂

  • @christianslaughter8724
    @christianslaughter8724 3 месяца назад +28

    What to do when you're confused about your sexuality
    Google: Give it time, talk to someone you trust
    Bing:

  • @peachydragbun8633
    @peachydragbun8633 3 месяца назад +10

    That pew pew is definitely more of a boom boom 💥

  • @paraynikisku
    @paraynikisku 3 месяца назад +17

    My opinion might not be liked by people but, here goes anyway, His friend should have confessed his feelings to him privately. There was no need of telling that on a reality TV show. These shows literally run on TRP and peppy issues like this, can't blame them wholly but they do run because audiences like drama, exactly like this one! Regardless, he shouldn't have killed his friend, should have talked it out, ghosted or boycotted him but this was beyond repair!

  • @Ritapita73
    @Ritapita73 3 месяца назад +129

    What's with all the stuff from the 80s and 90s? This GenXer is here for it.

  • @Mkesa-u8z
    @Mkesa-u8z 3 месяца назад +37

    Bro is like the drama news reporter 😂😂

  • @ffy-sama1519
    @ffy-sama1519 3 месяца назад +15

    he was his friend he should have told him that he has a crush on him without bringing him to the tv show in front of everyone that's his mistake not the show but he didn't deserve to die for it

  • @TracyEdwards-ms6cw
    @TracyEdwards-ms6cw 3 месяца назад +371

    Bro is now the news 💀

    • @LukeChillinInDaBox
      @LukeChillinInDaBox 3 месяца назад +4

      Frrrr

    • @Gooberjammy
      @Gooberjammy 3 месяца назад +11

      Ray is better than the news.

    • @kevinsplushproduction
      @kevinsplushproduction 3 месяца назад +4

      when is he gonna become a news reporter, this thing is so entertaining

    • @Darth_B
      @Darth_B 3 месяца назад +4

      He’s been the news

    • @kevinsplushproduction
      @kevinsplushproduction 3 месяца назад +5

      @@Gooberjammy He can even be better than the mews, some day

  • @PeterMasalski93
    @PeterMasalski93 3 месяца назад +13

    Jonathan was probably bicurious or something. Ive been around guys drunk for decades, it never even crossed my mind to slow dance with one.

  • @ProJcool
    @ProJcool 3 месяца назад +6

    Massive props to you continuously reinventing yourself! You are a role model to so many!

  • @bellacruz6763
    @bellacruz6763 3 месяца назад +11

    I've heard this case from elsewhere that says Jonathan informed the representative from the show that he wouldn't participate if its a guy that has a crush on him. But of course that doesn't excuse what he did.

  • @saulgoodmangaming3460
    @saulgoodmangaming3460 3 месяца назад +5

    And all he could’ve done was say “No thanks, I’m straight” on the show

    • @changecomesfromwithin7377
      @changecomesfromwithin7377 2 месяца назад +2

      Actually he literally said that - "I'm definitely a heterosexual" - but the guy kept harassing him.

  • @Timeless5891
    @Timeless5891 3 месяца назад +139

    Bro is a Batman villain

  • @FinalBand222
    @FinalBand222 3 месяца назад +5

    that scream was wild lmfao💀3:01

  • @FrankieIymon
    @FrankieIymon 3 месяца назад +48

    Hope everyone had a great weekend!! 😊

    • @someGuyx-x5o
      @someGuyx-x5o 3 месяца назад +6

      Bro tomorrow Is Monday the weekend is over 😭

    • @IHeartTecca
      @IHeartTecca 3 месяца назад +9

      @@someGuyx-x5o People when they realize that there are other timezones:

    • @LivActuallySlays
      @LivActuallySlays 3 месяца назад +2

      @@IHeartTeccaFRRR

    • @Beandaddy2013
      @Beandaddy2013 3 месяца назад +1

      Not really

    • @AndrewH1220
      @AndrewH1220 3 месяца назад +3

      @@someGuyx-x5o do you not know how to read he literally said "HAD" WHICH IS PAST TENSE

  • @the.mystery.flies.of.me.
    @the.mystery.flies.of.me. 3 месяца назад +20

    I WAIT FOR THESE VIDS EVERYDAY

  • @evanwang79
    @evanwang79 3 месяца назад +46

    Waking up at 5 am to watch Ray

    • @Therealraegann
      @Therealraegann 3 месяца назад +1

      I wake up at 5am anyways……

    • @smilesky6504
      @smilesky6504 3 месяца назад +1

      Waw
      It's a beautiful world we live in
      It's 8pm hear in Nigeria 🇳🇬

    • @angelgabriellaatim4806
      @angelgabriellaatim4806 3 месяца назад

      10pm for me

    • @Moheadie_Edits
      @Moheadie_Edits 3 месяца назад

      Where do you live? Australia?

    • @Mayank-560
      @Mayank-560 3 месяца назад +2

      Watching him at 12:44 am 😂

  • @NIKOEDITZ-x1x
    @NIKOEDITZ-x1x 3 месяца назад +31

    I mean being embarrassed is a bad thing for u but killing? It’s a big no no

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 3 месяца назад +5

      Totally. Though who knows what state of mind he was in and the flack he caught for his friend humiliating him like that. And the show facilitated Scott in making his humiliation wholly public.

    • @NIKOEDITZ-x1x
      @NIKOEDITZ-x1x 3 месяца назад

      @@skylined5534 fr

  • @ashleygibson6573
    @ashleygibson6573 3 месяца назад +45

    Dang bro over a tv show is crazy

  • @I_make_better_edits
    @I_make_better_edits 3 месяца назад +10

    Bro really screamed like “aughhh😣”💀

  • @tushygalore
    @tushygalore 3 месяца назад +9

    Hey Ray.. I enjoy the heck out of your content and just wanted to send some love, from Arkansas! 💜

  • @helpyourcattodrive
    @helpyourcattodrive 3 месяца назад +27

    I would have been infuriated, too. What a trick to play. What a game to play with someone’s heart. Bad Jenny.

    • @YoojinKim-gt5fj
      @YoojinKim-gt5fj 3 месяца назад +4

      It's not Jenny's fault it's the shows producers!!!

    • @Lizdoglove07
      @Lizdoglove07 2 месяца назад +1

      He knew what he was getting into. The show never said it was his finance nor a woman, it just said one of his friends had a crush on him. It was his choice to attend and he did.

  • @kingawsom
    @kingawsom 3 месяца назад +8

    Well now I feel insecure about telling my friend.

  • @ObsessedMelanie
    @ObsessedMelanie 3 месяца назад +45

    Anyone else think Ray should be a news reporter?

    • @danlin339
      @danlin339 3 месяца назад

      Idk how that’ll go but I’ll be interesting

  • @ImposterAnimates
    @ImposterAnimates 3 месяца назад +11

    Ray teaches me more than school

  • @briansullivan5908
    @briansullivan5908 3 месяца назад +25

    Everyone knew what talk shows were about, even if you didn’t watch them. Jonathan is the only reason Scott was killed. Personal responsibility. Not to mention premeditated

  • @ghostrights9314
    @ghostrights9314 Месяц назад +1

    You can’t just mess with people’s sexuality. This kind of thing needs to be approached carefully.

  • @chefspidey9504
    @chefspidey9504 3 месяца назад +5

    i did not expect you to say shout out to Michigan

  • @rickyjkuron5275
    @rickyjkuron5275 3 месяца назад +16

    The Cartoon of Jenny Jones looks amazing in the drawings @Ray William Johnson

  • @Goldfishi_ez
    @Goldfishi_ez 3 месяца назад +22

    Well, that was a killer show.

  • @V-vr8ux
    @V-vr8ux 3 месяца назад +9

    Love ur videos !!

  • @cylinderistic
    @cylinderistic 2 месяца назад +1

    who needs a news channel when you have Ray

  • @equonixcookies
    @equonixcookies 3 месяца назад +7

    Huge fan Ray, I think you should do an elaboration on the Scott Invader Zim case

    • @Alisha120058
      @Alisha120058 3 месяца назад +1

      I'm going to have to look up that because a cartoon causing someone to.... Snap?

    • @equonixcookies
      @equonixcookies 3 месяца назад +1

      @@Alisha120058 Yeah it’s basically a guy who watched the episode “The Dark Harvest” and a disgusting murder case was made out of it.

    • @Alisha120058
      @Alisha120058 3 месяца назад +1

      @@equonixcookies Just got through googling that.... It was very messed up. I hope that killer never gets out of prison.

  • @user-xx3dv7yw1x
    @user-xx3dv7yw1x 3 месяца назад +10

    They both were ambushed

  • @Mia-single
    @Mia-single 3 месяца назад +87

    Bro is now the news 💀.

  • @butameremortal9424
    @butameremortal9424 3 месяца назад +8

    Generation X remembers this well

  • @byfdfhuhfuhsu
    @byfdfhuhfuhsu 2 месяца назад +1

    Jonathan looks like theodd1sout just daying lol

  • @mordechai-
    @mordechai- 3 месяца назад +6

    I don't think the show is to blame. They were just bringing two people together. Having said that, I don't think such shows should exist either, but the public, being as dumb as they are, likes shows like the Jerry Springer Show and others like that. So there's probably no way to get rid of them. But I don't know. I haven't watched broadcast TV in decades.

  • @tanyaball1220
    @tanyaball1220 3 месяца назад +2

    Although your artwork is always fantastic, that is an amazing caricature of Jenny Jones! Well-done!
    I’m having memory issues, but didn’t the JJ show do more than just have them on the show-they encouraged drama on the show/a relationship after?

  • @Beandaddy2013
    @Beandaddy2013 3 месяца назад +2

    Love this channel 💚

  • @user-wu7xx2ky2b
    @user-wu7xx2ky2b 3 месяца назад +46

    W rizz❌
    Surprise rizz ✅

  • @EliceoMontoya
    @EliceoMontoya 3 месяца назад +8

    So did he just get the gun with? They did not do a background check on him he just got the gun.

    • @stejer211
      @stejer211 3 месяца назад +1

      The eighties were wild.

    • @dyawr
      @dyawr 3 месяца назад +2

      Background check for what? He didn't have a record. Isn't this how easily you can get guns in the US, even today?

  • @Mxal123
    @Mxal123 3 месяца назад +3

    Jenna Jones definitely knew what they were doing ,they were the ones that turned on the gas the two friends just had to ignite it.

  • @explosivecat1
    @explosivecat1 3 месяца назад +2

    “The worst they can say is no”

  • @ya00007
    @ya00007 3 месяца назад +8

    Imagine how much jerry springer would've have to pay if jenny had to pay.

    • @skylined5534
      @skylined5534 3 месяца назад +1

      *JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!*

    • @sarabanda7480
      @sarabanda7480 2 дня назад

      😂😂😂😂😂​@@skylined5534

  • @Hxp4rxpreppy
    @Hxp4rxpreppy 3 месяца назад +1

    Am I the only one who luvs theses kind of videos the ray posts-🤚🏼

  • @rooney6521
    @rooney6521 3 месяца назад +3

    The show is not responsible.

  • @michellegomez5118
    @michellegomez5118 3 месяца назад +2

    the drama in this is insane like i would watch this if this was a TV show

  • @Pheebaroony
    @Pheebaroony 3 месяца назад +3

    WE LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!!!!!! ❤❤❤

  • @jenniebeann
    @jenniebeann 3 месяца назад +2

    Reminds me of the poor man who ended his own life after a lie detector test on Jeremy Kyle here in the UK. These shows are all garbage and I'm glad The Jeremy Kyle show is no longer on the air.

  • @Flincois
    @Flincois 3 месяца назад +5

    What a crazy world 🌎

  • @vihtas_art
    @vihtas_art 3 месяца назад +16

    Get me pregnant Ray, so I can deliver too 😢

  • @user-nx6rt6xj3e
    @user-nx6rt6xj3e 3 месяца назад +4

    Hiiiiiii I love your videos

  • @Pookiebear36
    @Pookiebear36 3 месяца назад +3

    Why all y’all mad at the Jenny jones show. He agreed to come here and see who had a crush on him. It isn’t like they forced him to go. He agreed to the mystery so idk why it would be the shows fault but ok…

  • @sawyermccall2370
    @sawyermccall2370 3 месяца назад +2

    Streak of RWJ not talking about murder ended

    • @stejer211
      @stejer211 3 месяца назад

      Ask him first how he feels about guns.

  • @L3monseed
    @L3monseed 3 месяца назад +3

    GTA Trevor ahhh storyline

  • @smartypantlegs
    @smartypantlegs 3 месяца назад +1

    When he said “shoutout to Michigan” that made it so much worse. That’s my home state 😭

  • @LS-zq3td
    @LS-zq3td 2 дня назад

    A guy flirted w me in jail. Didn't even try grooming me first...😢

  • @Kirmetsmeat-qh3ru
    @Kirmetsmeat-qh3ru 19 часов назад

    Why does bro look like wolverine from the comics dawg

  • @yali1408
    @yali1408 3 месяца назад +6

    The show is liable. He wouldn’t have killed him if it wasn’t for the show

    • @KaitDiaz47
      @KaitDiaz47 3 месяца назад +3

      I don't think the show is liable he shouldn't have killed his friend

  • @BlackOpsGulfWar
    @BlackOpsGulfWar Месяц назад +2

    2:27 What is Walter White doing there?

  • @redfive5856
    @redfive5856 3 месяца назад +1

    Ray, “I’m looking behind us now…”

  • @KimMcIntyre-ou1ew
    @KimMcIntyre-ou1ew 3 месяца назад +2

    Morning Ray🌹🍃they mighta taken some dgs & when he came down he regretted it ✌️💚😎☀️🌴🌊🌈🌺

  • @marycarrillo7675
    @marycarrillo7675 3 месяца назад +7

    He goes to a store a buys a pew pew
    -some American

  • @okaydude2863
    @okaydude2863 22 дня назад

    Considering the year, this was super reckless. Jones should’ve been held accountable.

  • @dapperdan9573
    @dapperdan9573 3 месяца назад +1

    That quickly escalated quickly I'm like how do you go from one not being buddies tonight you're kissing your body wine makes you do wild things not that I know from experience actually mean that

  • @knighy64
    @knighy64 Месяц назад +1

    Please tell me im not the only one thinking the guy looks like Butch Hartman
    (In the drawings ofc)

  • @Prettykittychimi
    @Prettykittychimi 3 месяца назад +1

    Nothing’s more dangerous than a man’s ego.

  • @Kasao.gaming
    @Kasao.gaming 2 месяца назад +1

    Sweet home Alabama 💀💀

  • @paulroberts3639
    @paulroberts3639 3 месяца назад +1

    Looks like Morrissey was unhappy being someone’s fantasy

  • @Osa698
    @Osa698 3 месяца назад

    The animation of Donna is diabolical 😂.

  • @idontstandachance
    @idontstandachance 3 месяца назад +4

    Cool countdown

  • @TheFurreid
    @TheFurreid 3 месяца назад +4

    the Jenny Jones show is definitely CULPABLE.. but it was his craziness that drove him over the edge..

  • @Nonameforyou-h6n
    @Nonameforyou-h6n Месяц назад +1

    How is getting informed someone has a crush on you embarrassing

  • @kathatinets
    @kathatinets 3 часа назад

    Michigan?! I had no idea lol

  • @FoxTalesPlayz
    @FoxTalesPlayz 3 месяца назад +5

    I love rays videos

  • @daniellekolesar4056
    @daniellekolesar4056 2 месяца назад +2

    Am I the only person confused of why he killed him and told on himself?

  • @Anacr2024
    @Anacr2024 3 месяца назад +1

    Scott didn’t have to get killed for liking Jonathan….but this was the 90’s 😬

  • @thevoid11223
    @thevoid11223 3 месяца назад +4

    RAY william Johnson: UNNNTIL
    Audience 👏👏👏👏👏

  • @MoonFall8030
    @MoonFall8030 3 месяца назад +1

    Poor Jonathan who thought someone who would have loved him

  • @TGKXIXO
    @TGKXIXO Месяц назад +1

    Who else is binging his vids?

  • @yolandadamoyi1017
    @yolandadamoyi1017 3 месяца назад +1

    I feel like John never pulled the trigger on purpose for some reason.

  • @daygoo_7382
    @daygoo_7382 3 месяца назад +1

    Blaming the show is crazy. Not their fault he ended up killing someone

  • @ashlynseymour8030
    @ashlynseymour8030 2 месяца назад +1

    Jonathan should have gotten life in prison

  • @Jairogliphx
    @Jairogliphx Месяц назад

    Ngl Schmitz looks like George Michael’s younger brother no pun intended

  • @Lehoanggia-ry9lw
    @Lehoanggia-ry9lw 3 месяца назад +1

    10 top show betrayal

  • @waalex11
    @waalex11 18 дней назад

    Allegedly? Shouldn't we have proof of everything after so long.