Glad you like it, I've got a few other good tactics videos on my channel that have been getting a lot of views recently. I'm planning on making another one this weekend!
Super glad you liked it. Hopefully you like the other videos on my channel as well. Definitely appreciate the comment and view. If you have any other ideas, send them my way and I'll try to make a video on it
That's very nice of you! I actually got something like 600 subs in 2 days since posting this video. I figure if I keep posting content when I can, the channel will end up growing to whatever it will grow to.
Hands down the best 40k tutorial videos out there. I like the simplified graphics. Reminds me of OG football play strategy chalkboard sessions 😆 Keep up the great work!!
Been enjoying the analytical break down and explanations. Even if I already knew the bulk of a topic, hearing it again either brought up points I hadn't considered, or left me thinking in new directions.
Glad you liked it. My videos are certainly more targeted at the beginner audience, so it's good to hear that veteran players are still finding nuggets of info.
This content is head and shoulders above most wh40k 'tactical' discussion on RUclips. Clear thoughts on what you need to evaluate and how that can affect your decisions in game, clear diagrams and examples, just much better than a huge amount of low effort 'this unit has these stats, this unit has thiese stats' content. Liked and subscribed!
I have been looking for something like this. I am a noob who has about 2 dozen models but have yet to roll a die. I always have questions about positioning and the goal of deployment. This is awesome. Got a sub here. Please keep em coming. Do all phases!
I paint about 150 models before playing my first game! Glad you found the content useful. I would like to keep making videos as I can. Definitely send any other suggestions my way!
Thank you very much! I'm trying to make faction agnostic tactics videos, so I'm glad you think I'm achieving that goal. There's a dozen content creators with much better equipment, teams, and personalities than me, so I have to focus on stuff people aren't doing!
This one video has taught me so much. Great insight and the addition of relatable scenarios (not to mention how expertly they are illustrated) really helps get the information across. Thank you good sir. You have a new subscriber!
This is one I'm going to rewatch multiple times and take notes. I usually spread my Black Templars too thin trying to cover objectives, lose my Eradicators on turn 1 because I forgot about using reserves, and immediately regret my unit choices when I realise I haven't thought about secondaries and don't know what I need to take out my opponent's units. Thinking about all these things during list building should help me improve. Thank you.
Dang. That's incredibly kind for you to say. I'm glad you found the content useful. Do you have any specific things your looking forward to in the new Black Templar codex?
Excellent video, the deployment walk through and deployment stratagems to look out for would make for a great series looking at how to play with and against various factions.
I'm very happy I found your channel I've been collecting for year's and just recently started learning to play the game and every video has been so helpful
Painted nearly 4k points of wh40k and nearly 100 Star Wars legion models before I played my first game. It's fun, and tournaments with friends are even more fun. Glad you enjoyed the channel, hopefully you keep finding my stuff worthwhile
iif you continue in this way, you are going to have the best W40K chanel in youtube, I've been playing for 20 year 40k and I've never seen something like that. congratulations! Of course the drawing are more than improvabl... but even them have their "flavour" jeje
Haha, thanks Fabian. I'm just trying to make the type of WH40k content that I wish I had when I first started playing the game. The drawings are a little bit of a gimmick, but I'm not allowed to use pictures of GW Models due to their new IP infringement! So instead I'll just draw crappy things in MS paint, haha.
While I dont play tournament games/competition, (im not a good playerin these games) i really enjoy learning the ins& outs & how there is more than one game going on at the same time- plans within plans within plans. Thanks for excellent explanation
Really liked the way you presented this! I'm still new to 40k and playing necrons. My last two games against drukhari and harlequins i felt like i lost in deployment because i hadn't considered what their transports could do
Yeah both of those armies are SUPER fast. 1-2 inches is the difference between being charged in your deployment zone or not. Do you run a vehicle heavy army? I imagine warrior spam and a nightbringer would be decent against them
I agree! People handwave deployments as being not that important. Sadly, I've started turn 1 before, and realized I had totally ruined myself in deployment.
@@danielbrewster8642 i made sure to sub. Gonna check out more videos later. As a fellow close combat space marine player, the examples really hit close at home. But instead of angels i play templars.
@@rendurai Good luck on your templars codex, friend. Blood Angels are not doing so hot right now. If I didnt have all these BA characters and unique units covered in BA iconography, I would switch to Black Templars!
Thanks for the great video. You are a gifted teacher and it shows that you’ve done the work of learning how to communicate these things with clarity! Looking forward to seeing the next vid
I do not play 40k, I play Age of Sigmar myself but I love these videos and the advice you give in your video certainly overlaps with both systems. I do totally agree with deploying with chaff units first to try and glean some information on your opponents deployment of important units. The only issue I find I have is I sometimes deploy my chaff in a way that my big important are blocked by them and so they cannot get to go where they want. Maybe I should be more proactive, having a pre-game plan in my head where I want my powerful hitters to go before placing down chaff. Pre-game moves are really powerful but in AoS, pre-game moves are done after finding out who goes first, the player who finishes deploying first gets to chose (no rolling). I am still figuring out how to maximise this as I cannot simply reactively move knowing afterwards. Great video!
Thank you so much for the comment! Sorry -- I haven't played AOS since the dark days with no points about 8 years ago, so I can't speak much about it. Move blocking yourself sucks and I can see why its so important to avoid doing that to yourself. Glad you liked the video!
To partake in that thought excercise, I play stygies ad mech so I have some fancy forward deployment as well as a pre game move for my rangers and raiders. My personal 2k list includes some very non meta units like a unit of 2 arminger knights and a unit of 2 dragoons (melee ironstriders). The main focus of my list is the two ranger blobs of 20 each as well as the single blob of vanguards. My goal tends to be to push up as close as possible to my opponent and usually sacrifice either a ranger, vanguard, electro priest or dragoon to tie the opponent down. People tend to be caught off guard with ad mech closing the gap. Then once I tie down the units I want to I proceed to pick off any high risk units the opponent has and more or less wait for them to either chew through my sacrificial unit or fall back. If I've dealt with their dangerous units then I typically fall back with the sacrifice unit and gun down the now exposed enemy unit with the rangers and/or armingers. The main issue with this army is that it's very glass cannon-y in that I have to constantly trade above my points value to stay on top. I tend to focus more on denying my opponents objectives rather than focusing on my own (unless I have some very easy ons ofc). Now keep in mind that this list has been developed against a local meta of: Tyranids, death watch, death guard and necrons with all armies side from death guard being very infantry focused. If I fought the army in your example then I'd likely try to focus down their vehicles while trying to pressure their infantry into wasting turns against my rush units but it's hard to tell without knowing how they deploy.
Love the way you set up these Videos an explain the rules. But "obscuring" does not work like your example in 8:15. Blue could see and shoot red in the ruin, if they have LOS. Which they have because there are windows as you mentioned Obscuring If this terrain feature is at least 5" in height, then models cannot see through or over this terrain feature. This means that one model is not visible to another if you cannot draw a straight line, 1mm in thickness, between them without it passing through or over any part of this terrain feature... Models that are on or within terrain feature can see, and can be seen and targeted normally"
I thibk I might be misunderstanding you. There was no footprint/base of the ruin, so red wasn't within the terrain feature. And since it's obscuring, models cannot see through the terrain. I think that part is confusing because it's unclear what it considered "inside" the ruin. GW makes ruins with 12x12 bases. Every tournament I've been to uses ruins with MUCH smaller bases, or none at all.
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks for the fast response. Well that the rules point out: "Each time an Area Terrain feature is set up on the battlefield, both players must agree upon the footprint of that terrain feature - that is, the boundary of the terrain feature at ground level. This is essential to define so that players know when a model is wholly on or within that terrain feature, and when it is not. " So if you do the video you should agree with the viewer upon the footprint so that we do not get confused :)) Actually a ruin area terrain that is only a wall is kind of a thing I would not have on my battlefield ;)
@@WH40KTurnierplausch good argument. I'll define the boundary better in another video. Probably worth doing a whole episode on terrain. If I ever get a camera, I think showing pictures of real terrain would greatly reduce the headache. Currently only have a potato phone
@@danielbrewster8642 Yeah, I just saw your video on the Tournament report. The Hive Guard were hiding in a similar ruin :) But since we always played with a footprint that completes the rectangle, I was jumping to conclusions :)
@@danielbrewster8642 The explanation on obscuring terrain was very confusing to me as well. IF that piece of terrain was defined as Area Terrain with obscuring and the borders of the terrain was defined as the outsides of the wall, the explanation is totally correct. But defining something as Area Terrain and then making it have no actual accessible *area* seems counter-intuitive. The explanation could definitely have benefited from clarifying the board state better :) Otherwise, I enjoyed the video!
Thanks for making these tactical/strategy videos! It helps out a lot. Something that could be really helpful would maybe be a video going over all the types of terrain/cover and common rules mistakes etc?
Man I know I say this every video I watch of yours but this really is amazing content! You have got me thinking in ways I never even considered every video. I haven't been able to get my first game in of 40k or AOS because I am trying my best to memorize as much of the rules as possible so as not to completely look like a total ass but it's great to dip my toes into the thought process of competitive Warhammer and hopefully when I get the basics down I can start to use these more competitive strategies! The old saying " It's easier to learn fresh then to break old habits" has always been completely true so I try my best to be a clean slate and sponge for this knowledge you graciously give us! Thanks for these awesome videos, you deserve to have a lot more subs bud!
Glad you like the content. I've gotten something like 2.5 subs in 10 days so the channel is growing pretty fast. Send me any suggestions you have or things you wish you had resources for as a new player. Sometimes it's hard for me to truly put myself in the shoes of newer people
@@danielbrewster8642 I'm going through all your old content as I'm painting my dominion box. It's awesome you ask for suggestions from a new players perspective but honestly until I go through your backlog it wouldn't be useful for me to suggest anything. I do think new players get over intimidated by all the rules and then on top of that learning strategies. I really do like how you ask so many people their ideas as it's one of the only ways many of us can learn and grow. Many people would avoid continuing making the same mistakes if they just either swallowed their pride or grew the gumption to ask others " what did I do wrong?" or " How could I have done this or that differently?" " Did I get a rule wrong or forget something?". Anyhow thanks again, I am trying to suggest your channel in various discord servers I belong to to get your channel out, I'm glad the algorithm suggested your videos to me, your knowledge is appreciated!
@@danielbrewster8642 thanks for taking time to interact with your viewers, that's something a lot of content creators sadly forget or never utilize and it's crucial for any channel to do well I feel
@@josephskiles Yeah of course! it's getting to the point where I probably can't realistically answer 50+ comments a day. But its only been a week, so I think I can keep it up a bit longer! obviously, its a lot easier with Patrons since their is less and we can can talk on discord so its easier
In that deployment there is a fire lane of death in the middle. -1 to hit from the forest will not keep an army alive against the massive amount of firepower that Ultramarine list has. Anything put in the middle is in serious risk of being blown away if the Ultramarine player goes first.
I've had a lot of success by bring a small number of units. When I'm done deploying my unit, I start deploying my opponents. I usually works pretty well since most people tend to save their best units for later.
@@danielbrewster8642 maybe tips and tricks, you mentioned there are too many types or armies and deployments, so maybe do some other missions or what to do if going first and second? Just love the content and think deployment is the most important phase
As a T'au player, active participation: Well I guess what I would do is fire 30 STR 5 flashlights (ours are way cooler than the Imperium's) at a basic infantry squad, and if I'm really lucky one Space Marine will go down. His Apothecary will pick him back up after he's done breaking my new model Gundams :c And then I die. For the Greater Good. (Great videos! Very helpful, Subscribed!)
Thank you for the great content, it really helps as a newer player to understand the game more in depth. One question, why did you deploy most of your army behind the forest, do you feel that the dense cover is enough protection from a turn one alpha strike? Also a small comment it is kind of difficult to read the labels on the red squares for the blood angels units ( watching on my phone). Maybe more contrast would help there.
Can do, i'll look into how to make the labels bigger. Maybe just snipits from actual models. I bet its even harder for mobile watchers! I agree that I would much prefer a ruin, and might have been better off going elsewhere.
So glad you liked it! Maybe someone nearby will let you borrow an army! I purposely have two armies so I can let people try the game. Its a decent investment, and I would never ask someone to invest 500$ and 50 hours painting just to try a game!
Very nice video. However, I (and GW) would disagree with your statement @ 8:15 red cannot be shot if a window was present in the wall of the terrain. GW is using 12" x 12" square for area terrain at GW events to mark "being in that terrain" or footprint and every player I know would at minimum count a line connecting the two walls as the footprint of that terrain. Once in terrain, true LoS applies.
Yeah i meant that there would be LOS since red was touching the ruins. You're right that GW uses square area terrain for ruins, but a similar thing would apply if red was on the other side of a ruin and in B2B. Also, the tournaments I have been to, do not have the same area bases
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks for the response. I do appreciate it. However, I was referring to when red was not directly touching the ruin. Obscuring only applies if you not within the terrain feature. The red models in the second instance would count as "within" the terrain feature (with GW squares or by a common sense understanding of the footprint of that terrain feature). Once within an Obscuring terrain piece "Models that are on or within this terrain feature can be seen and targeted normally." If there was a window/crack for Blue1 to see red in the first instance (directly touching), then even if not touching the ruin (second instance), red would still be targetable if it can be seen through those windows. If it is a solid wall, red is not targetable is either instance. If nothing else my stubbornness is pumping the comment stats on the video. :)
Hey, no worries my friend. I'm always interested in feedback and how I can make my videos more digestible and easier to understand. I didn't define the footprint of the terrain, and I certainly should have. If I make a future video about terrain, I will 100% take your advice and thoughts into account. Glad to have the conversation. I'm starting to get more comments than I'm able to thoroughly respond too, but I believe you made a completely valid arguement
I messed up my deployment pretty badly in my last game against Death Guard. I still won 59-56, but that was by the skin of my teeth and I only had 5 models left at the end of the game (2 Heavy Intercessors, 3 Incursors). What especially kills me is that I also forgot to take advantage of Rapid Redeployment.
great vid as always. I learn alot from these. One thing, though, the green area is a forrest piece, right? So why put all your important pieces behind that. Woods are dense not obscuring, so if he went first, wouldn't he just tear through all your best units in spite of that -1 to hit modifier?
Yeah that is totally true. I think that' a partial brain fart on me, and in a comp game I would have more likely deployed in the right ruin. Forests are not obscuring as you said. The green pieces of terrain GW had in their layout example had obscuring, but they were actually just ruins. I confused myself while making the video!
@@danielbrewster8642 yeah, i figured. this was no critique. your breakdown of the various implications was top class nonetheless. something Id love to learn more about is strategies for secondaries. I tend to play mobile armies and mostly end up with data, engage and a third. Strangle hold too. Id love to understand the ones that are about killing better. Grind them down for example. how do you build around those to best effect.. stuff like that. thanks again for truly great content.
@@TobiasBukkehave thanks, I appreciate the advice. Need to do a Better job of scrubbing videos. Always have to restrain myself from immediately pulling the video down down I realize all the stuff I did wrong. I like the secondary idea for sure. I talked a little about planning lists around secondaries in my quadrant theory video, but you're right that It probably deserves a video of its own!
If only I had been subscribed! Then I would have gotten the notification on release and not ruined my deployment in a big game this last weekend. Learn from my mistakes! Ring the bell!
I understand the idea of terrain domination by deployment. My son held up a Wave Serpent full of Wraith Guard with a cheap and nasty traitor unit by sitting out of sight in a building which made it impossible for the serpent to cloudstrike. This was because, although the troop bubble was only 9", the space left outside of that was not deep enough for the serpent to deploy without being partially off the table and would thus have been lost had I tried. So positioning can extend that bubble. By the way, on the right flank are the red invictors and the blue incursors actually > 9" apart? They are in from the centre, laterally aligned and at 4 abreast are likely to have breached that distance.
Could you do a video on how to trade correctly? Its easy to say trade low for high points but its harder to do in games. I'm curious your take on this especially that 9th is a big trade war.
I'll look into it. I had an example in NY most recent batrep video about how my ultramarine opponent traded better than me. But ill give your idea some further thought! Thanks for the tip
Did you recommend 8 obscuring pieces and only have 6 on the board, or did I mishear perhaps. Great content overall, keep up the good work, and enjoy your passion project.
Yup! Brain fart on the woods. Pretend their obscuring or ruins instead. Maybe I should pin a comment like this, since I get asked that once a day : P my bad
My deployment strategy is flanking with fast units. Hammer and Anvil. Wave Serpent on weak flank with Wraith Guard & Spiritseer. Supported by another unit. While the remainder include Guardians, Farseer, Wraithlords and what else I can squeeze in.
The first ruin example is something i think is wrong. So youll have to correct me here if i am missundetstanding something. But if you är within the terrain Piece and there is Windows it openings you can in fact be shot at as Long as the opponent can se you. Since true LOS is what counts as soon as you are in the building. But if the ruin does not have a footprint, you are counted as being within the terrain if you are within 3" from it.
Example at 9'mins something is all well and good but 2 out of the 3 points described actually don't work. I assume it might be a US vs EU approach to the rules... 1/ If the ruin has windows and you deploy your red models as they are in the second example, blue would still see you. Because the ruin zone is always determined by connecting the edges of the zone, meaning for us (any tournament I've gone to so far) the ruin zone is actually a triangle and being anywhere in there makes you visible. This is further validated by the WTC ruleset explaining touching the base of a terrain does not count as being in the terrain. In your example if you consider only the walls to be the terrain (and not the zone as a triangle) then you would not be able to get cover at all, touching a wall not granting cover.... 2/ If you don't leave enough space for a charging model to get into the ruin, as per WTC ruleset you could still charge provided you had enough movement to do so, obviously avoiding any intentional cheese to prevent charging. Models would be placed at the correct space after the combat as ended or as soon as it is possible.
Interesting, those descriptions of rules are not what I've seen in my tournament, terrain or rule packs I the US. I'm doing a whole video on terrain next week to go over terrain and different ways of defining terrain. Some of this stuff I got from vanguard tactics videos and I think he's UK based. However, I don't think either of us are wrong. People have different assumptions of what a terrains base is and what tags are on different pieces of terrain. And I think that comes with local meta and generational knowledge that goes beyond editions I've never never played WTC rules
Can you give tips on optimizing the use of Neurothropes, Zoanthropes and Biovores in a feature tactics video? I personally take at least 2 Neurothropes, 2 units of 6 Zoanthropes 1 to 2 three man units of Biovores.
I would love to do more tactics videos on specific factions. I don't currently know enough about tyranids to feel like I could make a really good video on it right now. I've got some great friends though, I'll ask around for tips!
New player still painting my first army, would you ever do a vid like this as an actual bat. rep? Would love to hear you talk through your strata during an actual game
I'm actually considering doing this style of abstract format to "play out" a couple turns with some really good players to show how we think as we're going along. But I do have some tournament reports that are summaries of my games with a picture each turn. I spend about 5-6 minutes per game talking about strategy. They're on my channel!
If we agreed that ruins have defense line at the start. Normally ruins don't have that keyword per the rules. Do you play all your ruins with defense line?
It would be cool with an analysis series of the armies, to understand a match up against them. I have seen plenty of army deep dives on how to play the armies to their fullest, but much less takes on how to understand a matchup against different armies. "How to play against xxx"
Do they not use the elastic band rule for obscuring terrain in tournaments? In your example at 7:55 you say things are obscured yet they are in the ruins. Everyone I know plays with an elastic band rule or a base on their terrain so you know if you are in the terrain feature, but maybe I should start saying the basement floor of a terrain piece is obscured since they are outside the terrain.
Yes defining the base is incredibly important. A ruined wall is a obstacle and not area terrain. People also have different assumptions on what a base should be for terrain when nothing is there. I've never heard of the elastic band rule. But I'm making a whole video on terrain next week and I'll do a much better job defining terrain and different rules etc
@@danielbrewster8642 Ok, your videos are incredibly informative, I tend to play close to really meta and end up doing well in most tournaments, but I don't play perfect by any stretch of the imagination. I someone question the value of obscuring vs being in cover for certain models and units, especially if you can't hide everything you want to hide in the deployment phase. Obviously not giving your opponent much they want to shoot at is ideal but usually you have to sacrifice a model or 2. I really don't know how to deal with someone like the Drukari dark lance spam meta as they can usually always get to line of sight and shoot anything off the table, or just kite and keep you off objectives with troop loaded transports.
@@TheDoomGuy333 Yeah, Doom. Those raiders and dark Lances are huge. So fast, with good range. You really have to blow those up early to greatly reduce the drukhari damage and movement. I know ultramarines have a really good matchup with their redemptors, invictors, contemptors and redeploy. What army do you play?
@@danielbrewster8642 Mainly deathguard, I tend to have a blob with deathsroud start on the table then two other squads of desthroud in reserve. I play 2 or 3 PBCs and 2 bloat drones with mowers. If I go second its really a hard match up with drukari, I can usually hide my fleshmowers but can't really hide the PBC with the raider/ravager threat ranges. I usually loose one PBC if I go second.
I played this exact deployment the other week. I was my UM list vs my personal nemesis and his DG. I’ve played his army before and always lost. No change this time tho. I think we have just enough terrain. We don’t use craters cus the hobby store doesn’t have them and same goes for trees and such. We play a ruined city most of the time or rocky canyons. No random containers either. Some smaller portions of ruins in the open areas tho. I’ve found that deployment is the game winning or losing moment. If you do it poorly you will almost always lose unless your opponent just fails all his rolls lol also we play with ruins that have full bases. So once your in it or touching it then that’s it. We don’t have nice little right angle ruins. How would you handle that kinda set up. I understand blocking your opponent but how can you do that in a case like mine ?
First I would make sure you have enough terrain. Do you have ~10 pieces of ruins? I would try to leverage the fact that they're still obscuring by standing behind the ruins and not inside of them to start. DG has some good indirect fire that can kind of counter it though. What lost are you running? Plasma redemptors with your redeploy strat should punish him super hard when you go first. Curious what your list looks like
@@danielbrewster8642 I’m not running a meta list. I have a chapter master. A master of sanctity. And tiggy. 2 5men infiltrators. A 5 men intercessor for troops. 3 man aggressors. Redemtor dread with Gatling. And a Big ten man terminator squad for my elites. 3 men surpressor and a 3 man intercessor squad with assaults bolters for fast attack. And finally a 5 man hellblasters and 3 man eradicator for my heavy support. I know it’s not a meta list but I’m more of a balanced list kinda guy. I’m not too serious about the game. I mean I wana win and I play the rules the best of my ability but mistakes happen and I’m not gona throw a fit if we forget to do something at the end of this phase or something like that. Litanies as an example. I always forget until in moving my guys and I’m like damnit. I have to do that first lol.
Haha yeah. Might be an issue if your opponent is running a hard meta list with lots of deathshroud termies. I never like telling people "buy more models" since I think that's a thinking trap where people blame lack of models instead of strategy. But ita not like you're running 80 intercessors. Those eradicators are probably your best unit against him, some go positioning with them will probably really help vs death guard. Remembering rules is hard. I'm actually working on a video on that exact topic right now!
@@danielbrewster8642 thanks! Yeah he’s a nice guy tho and I always ask him after the games what his thoughts on what I should have done. And the last game it came down to target priority/focusing on what I can kill. And he does have a lot of terminators lol. Even the regular DG marines are insanely tough to kill when in cover.
Question, at 8:18 it is described that because the ruins are obscuring blue 1 can't see red. I don't see how this is the case as models within the terrain can be seen as normal subject to LoS. Obscuring terrain only blocks LoS if you are outside of it and the terrain is between attacker and target. Red would get the light cover save however. Have I misunderstood something? Thanks. Great video in general!
Yes -- I think the misunderstanding comes from me not explaining what it means to be "inside" the terrain. I will make a whole video on terrain and do a better job of explaining it, Some people assume that a piece of terrain has an implied base that is dictated by its shape (ex, that ruin is a triangle that connects to two ends of the L). I did not draw a base on that ruin, because many ruins I play with have a very small base or none at all. GW sponsored events have 12x12 inch bases on their ruins whereas other events like NOVA and LVO actually don't. So you are right that if the red models are on the base of the ruin, they could be seen. However, this specific ruin did not have a base, thus you'd have to be in B2B contact to be "in" the ruin. You brought up a good point and reinforced the need to define terrain in games upfront to prevent feels bads.
Depends on the list and secondaries. Deploying your basilisks In the super far back corners is pretty popular. Deployment matters a lot less if you have 300 guardsmen and can barely hide anything. Some armies get more out of the deployment phase. Guard make their money back on precise movment, move blocking etc. People shouldn't be able to chain through Guard industry squads with consolidate etc.
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks! I get that. Against Blood Angels I pulled a win in a local tournament by denying my opponent opportunity to charge valueable targets via precise positioning. (correct amount of space between layers of screen is crutial) I play for octarius data, engage on all fronts and chose assassinate because blood angles tend to use characters aggressively. My play for secondarys is consistently strong with guard - getting and denying primary points as well as the amount of leaked secondary points (due to still overlapping secondary kill oriented objectives) is what makes it hard. Scions and scout sentinels as well as cheap infiltration via 'dagger of tusak' allow for relatively cheap and reliable octarius and engage. If not dealt with asap, tank commander will trade in my favour. they are however expensive, limited in range and very soft targets. Scions (with special gear) complement them well. Can screen, are obsec, deepstrike inbuilt,and can do double duty for octarius if needed. Guardsmen are very good to block movement. they are sacrificial. Do you have an idea on how to improve a guard's primary play? (300 conscripts I guess)
@@hinti24 I think the biggest thing you could do against a BA player like me is screen your tanks with guardsmen and deny a deepstrike that would allow me to charge into your back line. Sometimes I think people try too hard to score 15 primary a turn. The max caps out at 45, so scoring a safe 10 points a turn can be better a lot of the time. I also love a small unit of plasma scions deep striking in. If i have to move a melee unit to deal with them, im not advancing up the board
Hot take: Its super necessary if we want to allow fortifications to be taken. Also I've played on boards where I almost automatically lost (3-4 pieces of terrain vs a gunline and going second) based on the terrain. It greatly reduces the 'auto lose' terrains But its almost a minigame I don't want to play. There is such a huge difference between a good player and a average player already and terrain deployment would further increase the divide and feels bads in tournaments. it adds a whole other game that you have to truly study -- probably more than any other phase of the game. pre-measuring distances of terrain based on your unit movements and sizes, denying opponents terrain by placing yours near the edge etc. All that to say that Its currently a mini-game that Im not interested in playing and don't want to design lists around it. I'd rather the TOs just set up good and balanced terrain that is different on each table.
Because I have to add elites to buff my plague Marines I have a variety of bases for these characters and when I deploy a 10 man squad and plague Marines I will stick one of these bases in with the Marines at a point where I would put one of these characters that way I don’t have to drop them behind all put them someplace and I know where I can put them once everybody is set up. I decide not to set them up simply take the Bass away and put them someplace else in the deployment all
if you're in the ruin (as in, within the base of the ruin) and the enemy's model has TRUE LOS (people cant see though walls) then they can shoot you. In my video, the ruin did not have a base that extended past the walls. GW tournaments seem to put 12x12 inch bases on their tiny ruins, but most ITC ruins do NOT have bases like that. WITHIN Ruin + LOS = can shoot Not in ruin + LOS = can't shoot Within ruin but NO LOS = can't shoot
Yes that is true. Brain fart on my part. I was thinking they were obscuring for deployment. Working on a terrain video for next week to clear up the issue.
Hey Daniel! I was wondering how necrons can best fend off blood angels? I am being heavy charged very quickly, and run a list with the silent king, 50 necron warrior w/reapers and a deathball with chronomancers etc. are scarabs best for screening against blood angel charges? Any further tips on deathball deployment?
Biggest thing I can suggest is creating a screen of models in the front that are more than 3 inches away from the next row. That way if BA charges in, they can't consolidate into the next combat. a unit of necrons or scarabs are generally going to be cheaper than the Vanguard Vets or Sanguinary guard they're running, so its a good trade for you Also, its okay if you are getting beaten up by BA. in the games i've played against necrons, I might be tabling my opponent on turn 4/5 but i'll lose on points. You have so much more obsec, that you should be maxing out primary, and trying to keep the BA player to 30 or lower for primary. A unit of warriors that come out of strategic reserve and try to jump on my backfield objectives turn 3-5 is super punishing to me. Scarabs are great, and i recommend running as many as you can!
Hmm, since ruins are Area Terrain, arent they suppose to have a suggested footbrint or boundary? For my understanding is that as soon as a unit is inside the ruins it can be seen by the ennemy. Or am i missing something crucial here?
Definitely a subscribe from me, this was great. I've just taken a quick screencap of your board layout and run through it with some of my lists and secondaries in mind (against lennon's ultramarines). Really helpful. I'd like to try the same on the portrait deployment layout, any chance you can flash that version on screen at some point?
@@danielbrewster8642 Sorry, it wasn't something you had on screen (I'd have nicked it already) - I was just thinking of if you had a version of the board in the widthwise deployment, as in the other mission types that require more board movement to get within shooting range and you have to cluster more at the poles when deploying.
@@Henevas Ah sounds good. I didnt make any other graphics, but that does give me a video idea. I think "playing out" deployments with a friend using these graphics might be a nice way to learn and show people how i practice!
Great video man. Such great content, and how to set up to play the game rather than do "go first hammer" with no terrain. Shitty deployments = get alpha'd :D
Hmmm. My shop has always played ruins like, if you're in it, you can shoot in and out whether it's modeled with windows or not. Does actually having windows and being visible dictate whether you can shoot in or out of an occupied ruin?
Yes, massively. Models need to have true line if sight to shoot. Whether or not ruins have windows on the first floor drastically changes how they are played, and it super important to check at the start of the game
do you have a discord? I like your kill team "how to play" video. Now it's my understanding that Custodes get 4 activations so if Custodes did not move he would get to shoot his bolter 4x whatever his weapon says?
I do have a discord through my patreon. I haven't made any other Kill Team Content, but I'm planning on it down the line if enough people are interested
Sorry -- I should have explained that better. They are both rules that allow you to start the game without certain models on the battlefield. They're able to drop down anywhere on the board starting turn 2 (and at least 9 inches away from an enemy). Deep strike is free to do and many "special forces" units or "flying" units have it. Strategic reserve is something ANY unit can do, and costs Command Points based on the unit's Power Level. Hopefully that makes sense. Please let me know if you have any other questions
I play Raven Guard which have access to Master of Ambush, which is essentially a pregame deep strike of an infantry unit, and Infiltrators, which are pregame moves of infantry units. Your Blood Angels may play similarly. Do you struggle with deploying overly aggressively when going second like I do?
Really dependent on terrain, but I do find that I 'lean' towards being aggressive and getting punished if I go second. Death company pre-game move helps reduce it though
Only if there is true LOS. Cant see through walls just because someone is in a ruin. GW terrain at their tournament has no windows or walls on the first floors. I didn't define the terrain well enough and I'll do a better job of that in my terrain video coming out soon!
Best 40k content on the web!
Thanks so much!
I was just thinking the same thing
Dunno, did you see the Auspec Tactics video on the new Primaris Gamebreaker?
This is exactly the type of content I’ve been wishing other “tactics” channels would create. Fantastic. Subbed.
Glad you like it, I've got a few other good tactics videos on my channel that have been getting a lot of views recently. I'm planning on making another one this weekend!
Right! So much better than the usual 30 minutes of “well this unit is broken so bring this one”
that plug in the middle of the specifics part was textbook "gotcha" moment. Nobody expected that
Just a meager youtuber trying to feed my cat his gourmet, sensitive tummy, food.
Never stop your very clear with your lessons
Thank you very much for the kind words
Nice video man teaching the new players about the important details like not touching walls and still being close enough.
All about helping the community
New 40k player here, subbed & liked. This video absolutely blew me away, can't wait to use these tactics in my next game. Thanks!!!
Super glad you liked it. Hopefully you like the other videos on my channel as well. Definitely appreciate the comment and view.
If you have any other ideas, send them my way and I'll try to make a video on it
This channel is criminally under sub'd. You're a fantastic teacher, and the visuals are great!
That's very nice of you! I actually got something like 600 subs in 2 days since posting this video. I figure if I keep posting content when I can, the channel will end up growing to whatever it will grow to.
Hands down the best 40k tutorial videos out there.
I like the simplified graphics. Reminds me of OG football play strategy chalkboard sessions 😆
Keep up the great work!!
Thanks! Tye secret is not having a good camera or good looking terrain....
And that I use power point too much
Been enjoying the analytical break down and explanations. Even if I already knew the bulk of a topic, hearing it again either brought up points I hadn't considered, or left me thinking in new directions.
Glad you liked it. My videos are certainly more targeted at the beginner audience, so it's good to hear that veteran players are still finding nuggets of info.
I like the way you break it down by phases. Lots of cool stuff I haven't thought of before!
Thank you! I'm sure ill break down other phases in the future too!
This content is head and shoulders above most wh40k 'tactical' discussion on RUclips.
Clear thoughts on what you need to evaluate and how that can affect your decisions in game, clear diagrams and examples, just much better than a huge amount of low effort 'this unit has these stats, this unit has thiese stats' content.
Liked and subscribed!
I have been looking for something like this. I am a noob who has about 2 dozen models but have yet to roll a die. I always have questions about positioning and the goal of deployment. This is awesome. Got a sub here. Please keep em coming. Do all phases!
I paint about 150 models before playing my first game! Glad you found the content useful. I would like to keep making videos as I can. Definitely send any other suggestions my way!
Great video. I'm liking the broad focus on tactics instead of being overly focused on units or probabilities.
Thank you very much! I'm trying to make faction agnostic tactics videos, so I'm glad you think I'm achieving that goal. There's a dozen content creators with much better equipment, teams, and personalities than me, so I have to focus on stuff people aren't doing!
@@danielbrewster8642 that is actually a smart move 😉
Absolutely incredible content my guy. Got halfway through the video and immediately subbed. Thank you for this incredible video!
Thanks my dude. Glad you found it useful
I am LOVING all this maths nerd content! It's really making me consider all parts of the game and evaluate how I play. Thank you!
Really nicely put together video 👌🏻 As a relatively new player to 40K you did a great job breaking down and explaining your thought process. 👍🏼
Thanks I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
This video is gold, I am watching it for the 3rd time.
Thank you so much for the content!
This one video has taught me so much. Great insight and the addition of relatable scenarios (not to mention how expertly they are illustrated) really helps get the information across. Thank you good sir. You have a new subscriber!
Glad you liked the video!
Loved the graphics!
Thank you. They are a lot of work!
This is one I'm going to rewatch multiple times and take notes.
I usually spread my Black Templars too thin trying to cover objectives, lose my Eradicators on turn 1 because I forgot about using reserves, and immediately regret my unit choices when I realise I haven't thought about secondaries and don't know what I need to take out my opponent's units.
Thinking about all these things during list building should help me improve. Thank you.
Dang. That's incredibly kind for you to say. I'm glad you found the content useful. Do you have any specific things your looking forward to in the new Black Templar codex?
11:00 is a gem! Laughed and subscribed
Lol glad you liked it!
Excellent video, the deployment walk through and deployment stratagems to look out for would make for a great series looking at how to play with and against various factions.
Terrible video next week!
Congrats on 1k subs
Thanks. Big victory for me today!
I'm very happy I found your channel I've been collecting for year's and just recently started learning to play the game and every video has been so helpful
Painted nearly 4k points of wh40k and nearly 100 Star Wars legion models before I played my first game. It's fun, and tournaments with friends are even more fun. Glad you enjoyed the channel, hopefully you keep finding my stuff worthwhile
Great content, unfortunate about lack of commissions, was ready to hire. Cheers, keep it up - learned a lot!
Hopefully you keep liking the content I create!
@@danielbrewster8642 I'm sure I will, the format, the style, the humor, A+ sir.
Great video! It is so hard doing all this in a live game, this helps compartmentalize (is this a word?) things :)
Certainly! I always find it so hard to pull tips out of 4+ hour long, static view, battle reps. Just trying to make videos that I would want to watch.
iif you continue in this way, you are going to have the best W40K chanel in youtube, I've been playing for 20 year 40k and I've never seen something like that. congratulations! Of course the drawing are more than improvabl... but even them have their "flavour" jeje
Haha, thanks Fabian. I'm just trying to make the type of WH40k content that I wish I had when I first started playing the game.
The drawings are a little bit of a gimmick, but I'm not allowed to use pictures of GW Models due to their new IP infringement! So instead I'll just draw crappy things in MS paint, haha.
You came up in my recommended and this is amazing! Thank you so much for the content!
Glad you found my videos useful!
While I dont play tournament games/competition, (im not a good playerin these games) i really enjoy learning the ins& outs & how there is more than one game going on at the same time- plans within plans within plans. Thanks for excellent explanation
Glad you liked it. It's hard to get consistent games, so hopefully the tactical videos fill that desire!
Excellent video, well explained and laid out. Many thanks
Glad you found it useful
Really liked the way you presented this! I'm still new to 40k and playing necrons. My last two games against drukhari and harlequins i felt like i lost in deployment because i hadn't considered what their transports could do
Yeah both of those armies are SUPER fast. 1-2 inches is the difference between being charged in your deployment zone or not. Do you run a vehicle heavy army? I imagine warrior spam and a nightbringer would be decent against them
Deployment is very important, thanks for your breakdown. I love the 3 questions you should ask before the game as well.
I agree! People handwave deployments as being not that important. Sadly, I've started turn 1 before, and realized I had totally ruined myself in deployment.
Just started playing 40k about a month ago. These tutorials are amazing! Keep ‘em coming!
Super glad you like them and think they're useful!
Pretty good advice about using terrain and preventing people from engaging
So glad you liked it!
@@danielbrewster8642 i made sure to sub. Gonna check out more videos later.
As a fellow close combat space marine player, the examples really hit close at home. But instead of angels i play templars.
@@rendurai Good luck on your templars codex, friend. Blood Angels are not doing so hot right now. If I didnt have all these BA characters and unique units covered in BA iconography, I would switch to Black Templars!
@@danielbrewster8642 Hopefully the codex gives us some secondaries while mantaining crusader squads. But im pretty sure crusaders will be squated.
Thanks for the great video. You are a gifted teacher and it shows that you’ve done the work of learning how to communicate these things with clarity! Looking forward to seeing the next vid
If only my students felt the same way!
I do not play 40k, I play Age of Sigmar myself but I love these videos and the advice you give in your video certainly overlaps with both systems.
I do totally agree with deploying with chaff units first to try and glean some information on your opponents deployment of important units. The only issue I find I have is I sometimes deploy my chaff in a way that my big important are blocked by them and so they cannot get to go where they want. Maybe I should be more proactive, having a pre-game plan in my head where I want my powerful hitters to go before placing down chaff.
Pre-game moves are really powerful but in AoS, pre-game moves are done after finding out who goes first, the player who finishes deploying first gets to chose (no rolling). I am still figuring out how to maximise this as I cannot simply reactively move knowing afterwards.
Great video!
Thank you so much for the comment! Sorry -- I haven't played AOS since the dark days with no points about 8 years ago, so I can't speak much about it. Move blocking yourself sucks and I can see why its so important to avoid doing that to yourself.
Glad you liked the video!
I love your help learning
Lol, so many comments
Great video. Well thought out. I have only played 2 games. Hope to use some of this tomorrow night with my orks
Orks are a lot harder to hide! Congrats on the new codex -- hope its everything you wanted it to be
Just discovered your channel. This and the combat phase video are great! Really helpful breakdowns
Thanks, I'm glad you found my content useful!
To partake in that thought excercise, I play stygies ad mech so I have some fancy forward deployment as well as a pre game move for my rangers and raiders.
My personal 2k list includes some very non meta units like a unit of 2 arminger knights and a unit of 2 dragoons (melee ironstriders).
The main focus of my list is the two ranger blobs of 20 each as well as the single blob of vanguards.
My goal tends to be to push up as close as possible to my opponent and usually sacrifice either a ranger, vanguard, electro priest or dragoon to tie the opponent down. People tend to be caught off guard with ad mech closing the gap. Then once I tie down the units I want to I proceed to pick off any high risk units the opponent has and more or less wait for them to either chew through my sacrificial unit or fall back. If I've dealt with their dangerous units then I typically fall back with the sacrifice unit and gun down the now exposed enemy unit with the rangers and/or armingers.
The main issue with this army is that it's very glass cannon-y in that I have to constantly trade above my points value to stay on top. I tend to focus more on denying my opponents objectives rather than focusing on my own (unless I have some very easy ons ofc).
Now keep in mind that this list has been developed against a local meta of: Tyranids, death watch, death guard and necrons with all armies side from death guard being very infantry focused. If I fought the army in your example then I'd likely try to focus down their vehicles while trying to pressure their infantry into wasting turns against my rush units but it's hard to tell without knowing how they deploy.
Surprised you don't have more subs
Thanks! I have a full time job that makes me travel a lot, so I'm not nearly as consistent as i'd like
Love the way you set up these Videos an explain the rules. But "obscuring" does not work like your example in 8:15. Blue could see and shoot red in the ruin, if they have LOS. Which they have because there are windows as you mentioned
Obscuring
If this terrain feature is at least 5" in height, then models cannot see through or over this terrain feature. This means that one model is not visible to another if you cannot draw a straight line, 1mm in thickness, between them without it passing through or over any part of this terrain feature...
Models that are on or within terrain feature can see, and can be seen and targeted normally"
I thibk I might be misunderstanding you. There was no footprint/base of the ruin, so red wasn't within the terrain feature. And since it's obscuring, models cannot see through the terrain. I think that part is confusing because it's unclear what it considered "inside" the ruin. GW makes ruins with 12x12 bases. Every tournament I've been to uses ruins with MUCH smaller bases, or none at all.
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks for the fast response. Well that the rules point out: "Each time an Area Terrain feature is set up on the battlefield, both players must agree upon the footprint of that terrain feature - that is, the boundary of the terrain feature at ground level. This is essential to define so that players know when a model is wholly on or within that terrain feature, and when it is not. "
So if you do the video you should agree with the viewer upon the footprint so that we do not get confused :)) Actually a ruin area terrain that is only a wall is kind of a thing I would not have on my battlefield ;)
@@WH40KTurnierplausch good argument. I'll define the boundary better in another video. Probably worth doing a whole episode on terrain. If I ever get a camera, I think showing pictures of real terrain would greatly reduce the headache. Currently only have a potato phone
@@danielbrewster8642 Yeah, I just saw your video on the Tournament report. The Hive Guard were hiding in a similar ruin :) But since we always played with a footprint that completes the rectangle, I was jumping to conclusions :)
@@danielbrewster8642 The explanation on obscuring terrain was very confusing to me as well. IF that piece of terrain was defined as Area Terrain with obscuring and the borders of the terrain was defined as the outsides of the wall, the explanation is totally correct. But defining something as Area Terrain and then making it have no actual accessible *area* seems counter-intuitive. The explanation could definitely have benefited from clarifying the board state better :) Otherwise, I enjoyed the video!
Thanks for making these tactical/strategy videos! It helps out a lot. Something that could be really helpful would maybe be a video going over all the types of terrain/cover and common rules mistakes etc?
I've gotten a lot of advice to do a terrain video. I think that's a great idea! Not sure when I'll get to it, but I like the idea!
Man I know I say this every video I watch of yours but this really is amazing content! You have got me thinking in ways I never even considered every video. I haven't been able to get my first game in of 40k or AOS because I am trying my best to memorize as much of the rules as possible so as not to completely look like a total ass but it's great to dip my toes into the thought process of competitive Warhammer and hopefully when I get the basics down I can start to use these more competitive strategies! The old saying " It's easier to learn fresh then to break old habits" has always been completely true so I try my best to be a clean slate and sponge for this knowledge you graciously give us! Thanks for these awesome videos, you deserve to have a lot more subs bud!
Glad you like the content. I've gotten something like 2.5 subs in 10 days so the channel is growing pretty fast.
Send me any suggestions you have or things you wish you had resources for as a new player. Sometimes it's hard for me to truly put myself in the shoes of newer people
@@danielbrewster8642 I'm going through all your old content as I'm painting my dominion box. It's awesome you ask for suggestions from a new players perspective but honestly until I go through your backlog it wouldn't be useful for me to suggest anything. I do think new players get over intimidated by all the rules and then on top of that learning strategies. I really do like how you ask so many people their ideas as it's one of the only ways many of us can learn and grow. Many people would avoid continuing making the same mistakes if they just either swallowed their pride or grew the gumption to ask others " what did I do wrong?" or " How could I have done this or that differently?" " Did I get a rule wrong or forget something?".
Anyhow thanks again, I am trying to suggest your channel in various discord servers I belong to to get your channel out, I'm glad the algorithm suggested your videos to me, your knowledge is appreciated!
@@josephskiles Thank you very much for your support/ I appreciate all your comments and I'm truly glad that you've been finding my stuff useful
@@danielbrewster8642 thanks for taking time to interact with your viewers, that's something a lot of content creators sadly forget or never utilize and it's crucial for any channel to do well I feel
@@josephskiles Yeah of course! it's getting to the point where I probably can't realistically answer 50+ comments a day. But its only been a week, so I think I can keep it up a bit longer! obviously, its a lot easier with Patrons since their is less and we can can talk on discord so its easier
In that deployment there is a fire lane of death in the middle. -1 to hit from the forest will not keep an army alive against the massive amount of firepower that Ultramarine list has.
Anything put in the middle is in serious risk of being blown away if the Ultramarine player goes first.
Agreed! :) I had a brain fart with the terrain tags on that one.
I've had a lot of success by bring a small number of units. When I'm done deploying my unit, I start deploying my opponents. I usually works pretty well since most people tend to save their best units for later.
You play blood angels? You sir, have a new subscriber. May Sanguinius bless your dice brother!
Got some tournament batreps on my channel if you're interested in seeing how NOT to play BA!
Very good stuff :) -Would love to see a part 2!
Ooh! Specific ideas ?
@@danielbrewster8642 maybe tips and tricks, you mentioned there are too many types or armies and deployments, so maybe do some other missions or what to do if going first and second? Just love the content and think deployment is the most important phase
Totally agree
11:07 was hilarious got my sub
As a T'au player, active participation: Well I guess what I would do is fire 30 STR 5 flashlights (ours are way cooler than the Imperium's) at a basic infantry squad, and if I'm really lucky one Space Marine will go down. His Apothecary will pick him back up after he's done breaking my new model Gundams :c
And then I die. For the Greater Good.
(Great videos! Very helpful, Subscribed!)
Haha, glad you liked it!
Thank you for the great content, it really helps as a newer player to understand the game more in depth.
One question, why did you deploy most of your army behind the forest, do you feel that the dense cover is enough protection from a turn one alpha strike?
Also a small comment it is kind of difficult to read the labels on the red squares for the blood angels units ( watching on my phone). Maybe more contrast would help there.
Can do, i'll look into how to make the labels bigger. Maybe just snipits from actual models. I bet its even harder for mobile watchers!
I agree that I would much prefer a ruin, and might have been better off going elsewhere.
40k is too expensive for me to play but I know the rules. I love the all the theory on this channel
So glad you liked it! Maybe someone nearby will let you borrow an army! I purposely have two armies so I can let people try the game. Its a decent investment, and I would never ask someone to invest 500$ and 50 hours painting just to try a game!
Very nice video. However, I (and GW) would disagree with your statement @ 8:15 red cannot be shot if a window was present in the wall of the terrain. GW is using 12" x 12" square for area terrain at GW events to mark "being in that terrain" or footprint and every player I know would at minimum count a line connecting the two walls as the footprint of that terrain. Once in terrain, true LoS applies.
Yeah i meant that there would be LOS since red was touching the ruins. You're right that GW uses square area terrain for ruins, but a similar thing would apply if red was on the other side of a ruin and in B2B. Also, the tournaments I have been to, do not have the same area bases
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks for the response. I do appreciate it. However, I was referring to when red was not directly touching the ruin. Obscuring only applies if you not within the terrain feature. The red models in the second instance would count as "within" the terrain feature (with GW squares or by a common sense understanding of the footprint of that terrain feature). Once within an Obscuring terrain piece "Models that are on or within this terrain feature can be seen and targeted normally." If there was a window/crack for Blue1 to see red in the first instance (directly touching), then even if not touching the ruin (second instance), red would still be targetable if it can be seen through those windows. If it is a solid wall, red is not targetable is either instance. If nothing else my stubbornness is pumping the comment stats on the video. :)
Hey, no worries my friend. I'm always interested in feedback and how I can make my videos more digestible and easier to understand. I didn't define the footprint of the terrain, and I certainly should have. If I make a future video about terrain, I will 100% take your advice and thoughts into account. Glad to have the conversation. I'm starting to get more comments than I'm able to thoroughly respond too, but I believe you made a completely valid arguement
@@needphd1 Agree
Great video, really helpful insights!
Thanks for the comment!
What a great video!
Thanks!
I messed up my deployment pretty badly in my last game against Death Guard. I still won 59-56, but that was by the skin of my teeth and I only had 5 models left at the end of the game (2 Heavy Intercessors, 3 Incursors). What especially kills me is that I also forgot to take advantage of Rapid Redeployment.
Great video.
Thank you! It took a lot of effort
Cheers dude!
Appreciate the comment!~
great vid as always. I learn alot from these. One thing, though, the green area is a forrest piece, right? So why put all your important pieces behind that. Woods are dense not obscuring, so if he went first, wouldn't he just tear through all your best units in spite of that -1 to hit modifier?
Yeah that is totally true. I think that' a partial brain fart on me, and in a comp game I would have more likely deployed in the right ruin. Forests are not obscuring as you said. The green pieces of terrain GW had in their layout example had obscuring, but they were actually just ruins. I confused myself while making the video!
@@danielbrewster8642 yeah, i figured. this was no critique. your breakdown of the various implications was top class nonetheless. something Id love to learn more about is strategies for secondaries. I tend to play mobile armies and mostly end up with data, engage and a third. Strangle hold too. Id love to understand the ones that are about killing better. Grind them down for example. how do you build around those to best effect.. stuff like that. thanks again for truly great content.
@@TobiasBukkehave thanks, I appreciate the advice. Need to do a Better job of scrubbing videos. Always have to restrain myself from immediately pulling the video down down I realize all the stuff I did wrong.
I like the secondary idea for sure. I talked a little about planning lists around secondaries in my quadrant theory video, but you're right that It probably deserves a video of its own!
If only I had been subscribed! Then I would have gotten the notification on release and not ruined my deployment in a big game this last weekend.
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Very informative! Thank you
I understand the idea of terrain domination by deployment. My son held up a Wave Serpent full of Wraith Guard with a cheap and nasty traitor unit by sitting out of sight in a building which made it impossible for the serpent to cloudstrike. This was because, although the troop bubble was only 9", the space left outside of that was not deep enough for the serpent to deploy without being partially off the table and would thus have been lost had I tried. So positioning can extend that bubble. By the way, on the right flank are the red invictors and the blue incursors actually > 9" apart? They are in from the centre, laterally aligned and at 4 abreast are likely to have breached that distance.
Sorry I made it in ppt. It's not exactly to scale, so any mistake is due to my art skills. Just supposed to be a representation
Could you do a video on how to trade correctly? Its easy to say trade low for high points but its harder to do in games. I'm curious your take on this especially that 9th is a big trade war.
I'll look into it. I had an example in NY most recent batrep video about how my ultramarine opponent traded better than me. But ill give your idea some further thought!
Thanks for the tip
Did you recommend 8 obscuring pieces and only have 6 on the board, or did I mishear perhaps.
Great content overall, keep up the good work, and enjoy your passion project.
Yup! Brain fart on the woods. Pretend their obscuring or ruins instead. Maybe I should pin a comment like this, since I get asked that once a day : P my bad
My deployment strategy is flanking with fast units. Hammer and Anvil. Wave Serpent on weak flank with Wraith Guard & Spiritseer. Supported by another unit. While the remainder include Guardians, Farseer, Wraithlords and what else I can squeeze in.
Hopefully I get to play you down the line! Not many Eldar players where I play
Good stuff!
Really appreciate the view and comment. I hope to keep making stuff worth your time
The first ruin example is something i think is wrong. So youll have to correct me here if i am missundetstanding something. But if you är within the terrain Piece and there is Windows it openings you can in fact be shot at as Long as the opponent can se you. Since true LOS is what counts as soon as you are in the building.
But if the ruin does not have a footprint, you are counted as being within the terrain if you are within 3" from it.
The terrain does not have a footprint. I don't know about that 3 inch rule. I think that's related to titanic models. I should have defined the base
@@danielbrewster8642 allright. 😊 Think the 3" Rule has to do with obstacles when i Read trough the rules. So i got en mixed up
Example at 9'mins something is all well and good but 2 out of the 3 points described actually don't work. I assume it might be a US vs EU approach to the rules...
1/ If the ruin has windows and you deploy your red models as they are in the second example, blue would still see you. Because the ruin zone is always determined by connecting the edges of the zone, meaning for us (any tournament I've gone to so far) the ruin zone is actually a triangle and being anywhere in there makes you visible. This is further validated by the WTC ruleset explaining touching the base of a terrain does not count as being in the terrain. In your example if you consider only the walls to be the terrain (and not the zone as a triangle) then you would not be able to get cover at all, touching a wall not granting cover....
2/ If you don't leave enough space for a charging model to get into the ruin, as per WTC ruleset you could still charge provided you had enough movement to do so, obviously avoiding any intentional cheese to prevent charging. Models would be placed at the correct space after the combat as ended or as soon as it is possible.
Interesting, those descriptions of rules are not what I've seen in my tournament, terrain or rule packs I the US. I'm doing a whole video on terrain next week to go over terrain and different ways of defining terrain.
Some of this stuff I got from vanguard tactics videos and I think he's UK based. However, I don't think either of us are wrong. People have different assumptions of what a terrains base is and what tags are on different pieces of terrain. And I think that comes with local meta and generational knowledge that goes beyond editions
I've never never played WTC rules
Can you give tips on optimizing the use of Neurothropes, Zoanthropes and Biovores in a feature tactics video? I personally take at least 2 Neurothropes, 2 units of 6 Zoanthropes 1 to 2 three man units of Biovores.
I would love to do more tactics videos on specific factions. I don't currently know enough about tyranids to feel like I could make a really good video on it right now. I've got some great friends though, I'll ask around for tips!
New player still painting my first army, would you ever do a vid like this as an actual bat. rep? Would love to hear you talk through your strata during an actual game
I'm actually considering doing this style of abstract format to "play out" a couple turns with some really good players to show how we think as we're going along.
But I do have some tournament reports that are summaries of my games with a picture each turn. I spend about 5-6 minutes per game talking about strategy. They're on my channel!
8:40, blue 2can attack because his melee becomes 2 inches while touching terrain you are within an inch of.
If we agreed that ruins have defense line at the start. Normally ruins don't have that keyword per the rules. Do you play all your ruins with defense line?
@@danielbrewster8642 i guess we do, we kinda of looked at it as a rule fix for people staying and inch away from walls and obstacles.
It would be cool with an analysis series of the armies, to understand a match up against them. I have seen plenty of army deep dives on how to play the armies to their fullest, but much less takes on how to understand a matchup against different armies. "How to play against xxx"
Good idea. I'm certainly not an expert on every army, but I think I could make quality content about a few different armies!
Do they not use the elastic band rule for obscuring terrain in tournaments? In your example at 7:55 you say things are obscured yet they are in the ruins. Everyone I know plays with an elastic band rule or a base on their terrain so you know if you are in the terrain feature, but maybe I should start saying the basement floor of a terrain piece is obscured since they are outside the terrain.
Yes defining the base is incredibly important. A ruined wall is a obstacle and not area terrain. People also have different assumptions on what a base should be for terrain when nothing is there.
I've never heard of the elastic band rule. But I'm making a whole video on terrain next week and I'll do a much better job defining terrain and different rules etc
@@danielbrewster8642 Ok, your videos are incredibly informative, I tend to play close to really meta and end up doing well in most tournaments, but I don't play perfect by any stretch of the imagination. I someone question the value of obscuring vs being in cover for certain models and units, especially if you can't hide everything you want to hide in the deployment phase. Obviously not giving your opponent much they want to shoot at is ideal but usually you have to sacrifice a model or 2. I really don't know how to deal with someone like the Drukari dark lance spam meta as they can usually always get to line of sight and shoot anything off the table, or just kite and keep you off objectives with troop loaded transports.
@@TheDoomGuy333 Yeah, Doom. Those raiders and dark Lances are huge. So fast, with good range. You really have to blow those up early to greatly reduce the drukhari damage and movement. I know ultramarines have a really good matchup with their redemptors, invictors, contemptors and redeploy. What army do you play?
@@danielbrewster8642 Mainly deathguard, I tend to have a blob with deathsroud start on the table then two other squads of desthroud in reserve. I play 2 or 3 PBCs and 2 bloat drones with mowers. If I go second its really a hard match up with drukari, I can usually hide my fleshmowers but can't really hide the PBC with the raider/ravager threat ranges. I usually loose one PBC if I go second.
Isn't the 'Aggro' the player who has to engage the opponent to win? As the passive player just wins via existing?
yes
I played this exact deployment the other week. I was my UM list vs my personal nemesis and his DG. I’ve played his army before and always lost. No change this time tho. I think we have just enough terrain. We don’t use craters cus the hobby store doesn’t have them and same goes for trees and such. We play a ruined city most of the time or rocky canyons. No random containers either. Some smaller portions of ruins in the open areas tho. I’ve found that deployment is the game winning or losing moment. If you do it poorly you will almost always lose unless your opponent just fails all his rolls lol also we play with ruins that have full bases. So once your in it or touching it then that’s it. We don’t have nice little right angle ruins. How would you handle that kinda set up. I understand blocking your opponent but how can you do that in a case like mine ?
First I would make sure you have enough terrain. Do you have ~10 pieces of ruins? I would try to leverage the fact that they're still obscuring by standing behind the ruins and not inside of them to start.
DG has some good indirect fire that can kind of counter it though. What lost are you running? Plasma redemptors with your redeploy strat should punish him super hard when you go first. Curious what your list looks like
@@danielbrewster8642 I’m not running a meta list. I have a chapter master. A master of sanctity. And tiggy. 2 5men infiltrators. A 5 men intercessor for troops. 3 man aggressors. Redemtor dread with Gatling. And a Big ten man terminator squad for my elites. 3 men surpressor and a 3 man intercessor squad with assaults bolters for fast attack. And finally a 5 man hellblasters and 3 man eradicator for my heavy support.
I know it’s not a meta list but I’m more of a balanced list kinda guy. I’m not too serious about the game. I mean I wana win and I play the rules the best of my ability but mistakes happen and I’m not gona throw a fit if we forget to do something at the end of this phase or something like that. Litanies as an example. I always forget until in moving my guys and I’m like damnit. I have to do that first lol.
Haha yeah. Might be an issue if your opponent is running a hard meta list with lots of deathshroud termies. I never like telling people "buy more models" since I think that's a thinking trap where people blame lack of models instead of strategy. But ita not like you're running 80 intercessors.
Those eradicators are probably your best unit against him, some go positioning with them will probably really help vs death guard.
Remembering rules is hard. I'm actually working on a video on that exact topic right now!
@@danielbrewster8642 thanks! Yeah he’s a nice guy tho and I always ask him after the games what his thoughts on what I should have done. And the last game it came down to target priority/focusing on what I can kill. And he does have a lot of terminators lol. Even the regular DG marines are insanely tough to kill when in cover.
@@davidring681 Yeah thats a sign of a great sparring partner. Hope to see you at a tournament one day!
This was an easy sub!
Glad you liked it!
Question, at 8:18 it is described that because the ruins are obscuring blue 1 can't see red. I don't see how this is the case as models within the terrain can be seen as normal subject to LoS. Obscuring terrain only blocks LoS if you are outside of it and the terrain is between attacker and target. Red would get the light cover save however.
Have I misunderstood something? Thanks. Great video in general!
Yes -- I think the misunderstanding comes from me not explaining what it means to be "inside" the terrain. I will make a whole video on terrain and do a better job of explaining it,
Some people assume that a piece of terrain has an implied base that is dictated by its shape (ex, that ruin is a triangle that connects to two ends of the L). I did not draw a base on that ruin, because many ruins I play with have a very small base or none at all. GW sponsored events have 12x12 inch bases on their ruins whereas other events like NOVA and LVO actually don't.
So you are right that if the red models are on the base of the ruin, they could be seen. However, this specific ruin did not have a base, thus you'd have to be in B2B contact to be "in" the ruin. You brought up a good point and reinforced the need to define terrain in games upfront to prevent feels bads.
Great stuff - but how to actively take advantage of that with Imperial Guard, so that I have a 'real' chance is a bit of a mystery to me.
Depends on the list and secondaries. Deploying your basilisks In the super far back corners is pretty popular. Deployment matters a lot less if you have 300 guardsmen and can barely hide anything.
Some armies get more out of the deployment phase.
Guard make their money back on precise movment, move blocking etc. People shouldn't be able to chain through Guard industry squads with consolidate etc.
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks!
I get that. Against Blood Angels I pulled a win in a local tournament by denying my opponent opportunity to charge valueable targets via precise positioning. (correct amount of space between layers of screen is crutial)
I play for octarius data, engage on all fronts and chose assassinate because blood angles tend to use characters aggressively.
My play for secondarys is consistently strong with guard - getting and denying primary points as well as the amount of leaked secondary points (due to still overlapping secondary kill oriented objectives) is what makes it hard.
Scions and scout sentinels as well as cheap infiltration via 'dagger of tusak' allow for relatively cheap and reliable octarius and engage.
If not dealt with asap, tank commander will trade in my favour. they are however expensive, limited in range and very soft targets.
Scions (with special gear) complement them well. Can screen, are obsec, deepstrike inbuilt,and can do double duty for octarius if needed.
Guardsmen are very good to block movement. they are sacrificial.
Do you have an idea on how to improve a guard's primary play?
(300 conscripts I guess)
@@hinti24 I think the biggest thing you could do against a BA player like me is screen your tanks with guardsmen and deny a deepstrike that would allow me to charge into your back line.
Sometimes I think people try too hard to score 15 primary a turn. The max caps out at 45, so scoring a safe 10 points a turn can be better a lot of the time.
I also love a small unit of plasma scions deep striking in. If i have to move a melee unit to deal with them, im not advancing up the board
What's your take on the FLG deployment mini-game?
Hot take: Its super necessary if we want to allow fortifications to be taken. Also I've played on boards where I almost automatically lost (3-4 pieces of terrain vs a gunline and going second) based on the terrain. It greatly reduces the 'auto lose' terrains
But its almost a minigame I don't want to play. There is such a huge difference between a good player and a average player already and terrain deployment would further increase the divide and feels bads in tournaments.
it adds a whole other game that you have to truly study -- probably more than any other phase of the game. pre-measuring distances of terrain based on your unit movements and sizes, denying opponents terrain by placing yours near the edge etc.
All that to say that Its currently a mini-game that Im not interested in playing and don't want to design lists around it. I'd rather the TOs just set up good and balanced terrain that is different on each table.
Thanks for your video. One question. I don't understand why at 8:12 blue can't see red. If I'm inside a ruin, can't the enemy see me?
Because I have to add elites to buff my plague Marines I have a variety of bases for these characters and when I deploy a 10 man squad and plague Marines I will stick one of these bases in with the Marines at a point where I would put one of these characters that way I don’t have to drop them behind all put them someplace and I know where I can put them once everybody is set up. I decide not to set them up simply take the Bass away and put them someplace else in the deployment all
that's a good strategy!
Hey Dan, what program are you using to set up terrain examples, units etc? I’m looking for something to do practice deployments, etc
PowerPoint. More specifically, Google's knock off version.
Hey so if I'm in a ruin with obscuring but 1 inch away from the wall can they see me?
if you're in the ruin (as in, within the base of the ruin) and the enemy's model has TRUE LOS (people cant see though walls) then they can shoot you. In my video, the ruin did not have a base that extended past the walls. GW tournaments seem to put 12x12 inch bases on their tiny ruins, but most ITC ruins do NOT have bases like that.
WITHIN Ruin + LOS = can shoot
Not in ruin + LOS = can't shoot
Within ruin but NO LOS = can't shoot
Super Video
Isnt forest are only give dense and dosent block los? You should be snow ball on the center if your opponent go first.
Yes that is true. Brain fart on my part. I was thinking they were obscuring for deployment. Working on a terrain video for next week to clear up the issue.
@@danielbrewster8642 Anyway this is classic im just playing 40k and rarely find anything good at this, already sub.. keep going.
Hey Daniel! I was wondering how necrons can best fend off blood angels? I am being heavy charged very quickly, and run a list with the silent king, 50 necron warrior w/reapers and a deathball with chronomancers etc. are scarabs best for screening against blood angel charges? Any further tips on deathball deployment?
Biggest thing I can suggest is creating a screen of models in the front that are more than 3 inches away from the next row. That way if BA charges in, they can't consolidate into the next combat. a unit of necrons or scarabs are generally going to be cheaper than the Vanguard Vets or Sanguinary guard they're running, so its a good trade for you
Also, its okay if you are getting beaten up by BA. in the games i've played against necrons, I might be tabling my opponent on turn 4/5 but i'll lose on points. You have so much more obsec, that you should be maxing out primary, and trying to keep the BA player to 30 or lower for primary. A unit of warriors that come out of strategic reserve and try to jump on my backfield objectives turn 3-5 is super punishing to me.
Scarabs are great, and i recommend running as many as you can!
@@danielbrewster8642 thank you so much for the advice!
Hmm, since ruins are Area Terrain, arent they suppose to have a suggested footbrint or boundary? For my understanding is that as soon as a unit is inside the ruins it can be seen by the ennemy. Or am i missing something crucial here?
many tournaments did not have based terrain at the start of 9th -- since the early days of the edition, I have not had any of these issues.
Definitely a subscribe from me, this was great.
I've just taken a quick screencap of your board layout and run through it with some of my lists and secondaries in mind (against lennon's ultramarines). Really helpful.
I'd like to try the same on the portrait deployment layout, any chance you can flash that version on screen at some point?
Which one are you talking about? I can post a read only copy of the slides if you'd like. Then you could save your own copy and do whatever with it!
@@danielbrewster8642 Sorry, it wasn't something you had on screen (I'd have nicked it already) - I was just thinking of if you had a version of the board in the widthwise deployment, as in the other mission types that require more board movement to get within shooting range and you have to cluster more at the poles when deploying.
@@Henevas Ah sounds good. I didnt make any other graphics, but that does give me a video idea. I think "playing out" deployments with a friend using these graphics might be a nice way to learn and show people how i practice!
Great video man. Such great content, and how to set up to play the game rather than do "go first hammer" with no terrain. Shitty deployments = get alpha'd :D
Thanks for enjoying the content. I've been the victim of an alpha strike far too many times! Hopefully you have a LGS with plenty of nice terrain
Hmmm. My shop has always played ruins like, if you're in it, you can shoot in and out whether it's modeled with windows or not.
Does actually having windows and being visible dictate whether you can shoot in or out of an occupied ruin?
Yes, massively. Models need to have true line if sight to shoot. Whether or not ruins have windows on the first floor drastically changes how they are played, and it super important to check at the start of the game
do you have a discord? I like your kill team "how to play" video. Now it's my understanding that Custodes get 4 activations so if Custodes did not move he would get to shoot his bolter 4x whatever his weapon says?
I do have a discord through my patreon. I haven't made any other Kill Team Content, but I'm planning on it down the line if enough people are interested
@@danielbrewster8642 Thank you. I will look in to it.
nice video
Thanks!
What I asked myself as a newbie: Can I attack through obscurring terrain, if I get in engagement range without seeing the enemy?
yes
Interesting! thanks :D
Glad you found it interesting
What does deep strike and reserve mean?
Sorry -- I should have explained that better. They are both rules that allow you to start the game without certain models on the battlefield. They're able to drop down anywhere on the board starting turn 2 (and at least 9 inches away from an enemy). Deep strike is free to do and many "special forces" units or "flying" units have it. Strategic reserve is something ANY unit can do, and costs Command Points based on the unit's Power Level.
Hopefully that makes sense. Please let me know if you have any other questions
I play Raven Guard which have access to Master of Ambush, which is essentially a pregame deep strike of an infantry unit, and Infiltrators, which are pregame moves of infantry units. Your Blood Angels may play similarly. Do you struggle with deploying overly aggressively when going second like I do?
Really dependent on terrain, but I do find that I 'lean' towards being aggressive and getting punished if I go second. Death company pre-game move helps reduce it though
Is this the guy from Forge the Narrative?
Nope -- Just some rando
What I like about 40K is that it's very much like real warfare since the battle is mostly decided before the first shots are fired.
you can still shoot models inside a ruin, not needing to stick their head outside a window
Only if there is true LOS. Cant see through walls just because someone is in a ruin. GW terrain at their tournament has no windows or walls on the first floors.
I didn't define the terrain well enough and I'll do a better job of that in my terrain video coming out soon!
Great vid
Thanks!