Why 'Years of Experience' is a Lie (from former CEO)
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- THE TRUTH ABOUT EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS IN HIRING. YOU HAVE MORE JOB EXPERIENCE THAN YOU THINK!
The Hiring Myth: It’s Not About Years of Experience. When recruiters select candidates to hire for a job, the 'years of experience' metric and experience requirement is flawed. Candidates often have much more experience than they think they do. Also, there are many other factors that affect a candidate's suitability for a job other than simply years of experience.
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My favorite is when a hiring manager demands a minimum of 10 years of experience on 2 year old technology.
ten years of experience developing ChatGPT wrappers
Yep. Even if the tech is 10 years old though, if they're asking for someone with 10 years of experience, they're looking for someone who was literally working on it from the moment it started to exist, before it was ever popular or even known, and who never stopped or pivoted into a different technology. Impossible standards. And definitely not even necessary most of the time.
Oh, that's what happened when I applied for a role in cyber security for public key infrastructure and they wanted someone basically with experience in hashicorp vault since inception lmaoo. The manager didn't even use it himself -_- i.e. they wanted someone to do their job
That actually happened. They wanted ten years’ experience on a software that was only eighteen months old, and the guy they were interviewing had written the software himself. In other words, not only did he have more experience than any other living person on Earth, but he completely understood the code on the backend and could troubleshoot it in his sleep.
But the company needed him to have ten years’ experience, so he was not hired.
A lot of hiring managers are just being told what to do by their bosses who know nothing about anything, and get $15 million a year salaries to do... nothing!
I have years of experience and now they say I’m “too old”.
Candidate: "I have all the job requirements you are looking for. I have a two PHD's, three Nobel prizes, and two centuries of Unix experience. All thanks to the time machine and immortality drug I invented."
HR: That's a lot of words for "too old".
Isn't that illegal?
@@BodilessVoiceit’s illegal if they are explicit about your age being a factor (except in certain industries, where youth is a selling point), but they can just claim that you don’t fit with their company culture, and they end up hiring someone (or often no one) else.
I don’t think so
@@BodilessVoicenot if they say you're over qualified
Thank you ! Just graduated and all entry level jobs require 5 years of experience. It’s pissing me off.
I been seeking jobs for four years, sending resumes and walk-in for so long and I had to go back to my uncle farm.
I'm stuck with similar, 90% of the jobs I find are Senior X postions wanting years of experience. Everyone wants someone else to hire and train the new people but no-one is willing to. Wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being an issue in a decade or two.
Either that or the entry level jobs I do find require you to be in the second to last semester of a Bachelors degree, even last semester is to late, they specifically want you for the summer right before your last semester and you're just out of luck if you started your degree in the spring.
I don't go where am not wanted.
@kacperpiotrowski7239 lucky you, people like me don't have a choice
Your advice over the last few weeks has helped me land a software job in a highly competitive market.... As a 53 year old.! Thank you so much for everything. You are the best!
Congratulations, Rob! You did a fantastic job!!
Congratulations!
Congratulations! Still on the on search myself haha. Tryna land me a good job in supply chain
Experience means nothing when someone is unwilling to do what needs to be done. I am so prepared to do more and learn everything I need to so that the job gets done. I take pride in what I do because that's a reflection of my work ethic. Not getting a well paying job that can keep up with the cost of living while being a hard worker is so disheartening.
Some managers are also extremely awkward and difficult to connect with, especially the ones who read off a paper. My best interviews were with people who had normal conversations with me and still got the information they needed from me. When someone talks to me like a robot reading off a list of questions, I cannot show my personality.
That's part of the skill of being able to connect with people as a communicator. Not everyone is going to be someone that you as an interviewee click with immediately, but if you can find those avenues of connection, you can make that manager feel comfortable enough to connect with you.
It's been easy for me, my area of expertise is corporate communications. But I want to let you know that it is possible.
I would love to see you adress the other side of this when companies post a job listing saying no experience necessary but then tell the candidate they dont have enough relevant experience. Ive had this happen multiple times.
They probably had no set minimum, but found a candidate that had more relevant experience suited to the role, so why would they no take such a candidate?
Everybody knows years of experience is BS, but nobody wants to face it because of convenience.
To speak to your accounting example, this carries over into ERP integration. I'm in Defense Finance, and our Oracle NetSuite implementation manager gave us a retail C.P.A. She's absolutely clueless about DCAA or F.A.R.
Both recruiters and people selling a 6 figure product need to understand the needs of their individual clients.
“We all know this is false…” as your response to the comparison between length of experience is spot on. Absolutely it’s ridiculous as a singular unit of measurement which could be used to make a comprehensive evaluation/projection of a set of applicants. And the extent to which recruiters cling to hollowed out criteria and and apply it inappropriately is likely too disturbing for me to ever want to know. So…this begs an obvious question. If “we all know___” is true or untrue about this sinkhole of failed sensemaking, then how is it that the only cross-section of the population which remains oblivious to what’s painfully obvious to the rest of us happens TO BE THE ONE that’s installed with the exclusive authority to adjudicate influential and severely consequential sets of circumstances, and dictate outcomes pursuant to concepts for which they’re inability to do so competently or credibility is inversely proportional to that challenge. It’d be like saying, “From now on, only the blind shall be eligible to become airline pilots and licensed medical professionals are now required to have demonstrated a robust history of psychopathy in order to practice medicine.” It makes no sense, and yet…we not only tolerate it on way too large a scale with undue ignorance and generosity, but for the more insolent among us, a sadistic social reprisal is deployed upon the heads of anyone who dare raise their hand and ask the necessary and long-overdue question, “What the f--?” as you are doing in a far more commendable and constructive way than I can at present? Either way, terrific video. Keep ‘em coming.
Yeah. I have less experience than my coworker, yet I know things that she has never seen or used. I am the more experienced developer but with significantly less years in the job... And getting paid significantly less. Makes you not want to work that hard when you get paid for years not experience.
The dreaded ATS is what’s messing me up as of late…getting a rejection letter at 2 am in the morning, when you apply for something at 7 pm the day before…
Same here. Applied Friday 11pm and got rejected at Monday 3am or Sunday 9pm. And the decided for someone "more fit with the position".
You guys are getting responses? Most of us just get ghosted and wonder if we’ll ever hear from them again
We need recruiters with at least 10 years worth of experience of successful recruiting.
Never could understand why in US you need HR or a recruiter even for the janitor role.
Corporate stupidity.
Blame the lefties; Obama pushed and pushed for Administrative and HR oversight in the workplace and his supporters loved it. This stuff was on steroids between 2011 and 2016.
Loving these videos as I start an application cycle.
Would love a video on 'certifications.' Some jobs require them (e.g., for using some kind of tech like an MRI), but for 'soft skills' like Project Management, I find the idea of getting or needing a PMP abhorrent, especially if you already have experience. (I'd gladly take recommendations for previous videos, if you have any on this topic!)
Well, as a former project leader who never got a PMP, I'd agree with that! I looked into the curriculum of the PMP and I got the impression it was a glorified version of how to write a report - very bureaucratic - not many real skills there. Just my impression.
Why are the recruiters setting the minimums for the job? That should be the employer after consulting the supervisor of the position.
Great overview of how to beat the typical BS of recruitment processes. Thanks for your great videos, and keep them coming!
Few years ago i was looking for an internship and saw a posting, they were asking for 8 years of experience. For an intern. Lol
Years of experience can make somebody very good at 'carrying it off' so to speak. It's usually more important than doing the job right. They can rely on you to tell the appropriate lies when everything inevitably falls in a heap.
Ten years holding a title doesn't equate to experience...
Yep. I have had jobs where I am a developer doing very complex coding and other jobs where I change one line of code a day. Both are developer positions with the same title.
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What should we do when there is a job with 3 years of experience requirement and we only have basic knowledge. Should we apply?
Just apply. Theres very little downside.
Yes. You may get the job anyway.
I just got a job that asked for more experience than I have. And I was honest about it, but displayed confidence in my ability to learn what was necessary quickly. This isn't to say you'll get the job, but you DEFINITELY won't get the job if you never try
I prefer not to use experience and with "Evidence of mastery". One job told me I would be interviewed to test my level of mastery of core tools and concepts.
It's arbitrary anyways. I'd take someone with 2 yrs that can learn quickly than someone with 10 yrs that clearly sucks.
Thank you, spot on.
I prefer hiring inexperienced folks so I can train them without having to untrain them first.
As a 20 year, ground up cook (busser/dish through KM) and a bipolar/schizo (I've had ups and downs) I can say experience does not mean you're doing your best. And the people who do show their experience are never the ones reaping the reward for that experience. These people also generally are happy to teach you, they don't use your supposed lack of experience as a gatekeeper for just reward. Capitalism is just as much about effort as it is skill. A lethargic, apathetic, entitled, or otherwise selfish veteran is worthless, speaking from experience.
What if you have like 10 years of experience but doing the same job? Then you have like 1 year of experience 10 times.
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Thank You!
Doctors, surgeons, that defo requires experience
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Brilliant 😂 thank you
Amen.
100% agree
I know a colleague who knows a lot about JAVA, it's just he is considered junior developer, so his salary is quite low.
He is so skilled that even experienced guys ask him for advice and the tech lead can depend on him for troubleshootings.
Long story short he is moved to another better paying job and will keep job-hoping for a while
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