True, and I find it very weird how he forgets so much about his own continuity seeing as how his characters are some of the most famous and iconic characters in history..
So forgetful, like he said himself in an interview about Launch from dragon ball he simply forgot about her and that’s why we never saw her in Z. How do you forget about main characters though lol?
Just because 16 isn't seen and Cell has no knowledge of 16, it cannot be concluded one way or the other that 16 existed in the other timelines since it is completely possible that 16 was created, but never activated. Since 16 is not a requirement for Cell's evolution and 16 was considered a failure, there would be no reason for the knowledge of 16 to be incorporated into Cell. We also have to consider that 16's prime directive is to destroy Goku. Since the vital difference between those timeslines and the one where 16 appears is that Goku is still alive, we can conclude that Gero had no intention of furthering development or activation of 16 since Goku was no longer alive by the time the other Androids were activated. It seems to be that the determining factor of 16's appearance is that Goku is still alive when the Androids activate.
You're forgetting one key thing, Qaaman. We know for a FACT that everything in the original timeline and everything in Trunks' timeline happened EXACTLY the same before he showed up. That's how Trunks was able to know exactly when and where Freiza would appear. It was only AFTER he left that things began to change. So up until 3 years before the androids arrived, both timelines played out the same way, which means if 16 was completed BEFORE Trunks arrived, (and there's no reason to believe otherwise, since Gero said he was working on 16 for a LOOOOOONG time), then 16 would certainly exist in both timelines, since he would have already been completed BEFORE Trunks got there. Of course, AFTERWARDS, there would likely be some key differences. Maybe his pod was moved from the location that we know, which explains why we didn't see him. And maybe Gero never programed Cell to know about 16, because what would be the point? 16 was Gero's failure, so there would be no reason to let Cell, or anyone else know about it. So because of all of that, I say 16 does (did) exist in Trunks' timeline.
+Qaaman's Land If I had to guess? Still locked away in a secret compartment in Dr. Gero's lab. Either that, or he was destroyed during 17 and 18's rampage without them even knowing of his existence. It makes more sense than Gero simply not building him at all, and skipping to 17 and 18. And besides, even if Akira was planning on 19 and 20 being the main villains, then that still doesn't mean 16 would not have existed. He probably would have been called "18" then, but he still would have been there if the story called for it.
Qaaman's Land Yeah, I get what Akira and the other writers originally *wanted* to do, but that's a completely separate thing from what makes sense in the story once they decided what there *were* going to do, and there's really no good reason why 16 would only exist in one timeline.
There's actually 4 timelines. In the timeline that Cell came from, Trunks deactivated the androids with the remote control and didn't get the power boost from training in the Room of Spirit and Time.
+Qaaman's Land Hey Qaaman I've got a question for you. do you think we might see android 16 in dragon super. because they did bring back future mai and they also finally explained what happened to dabura and babidi in trunks future timeline.
In my own mind... 3:32 16-“I am ANDROID 16.” Cell-“OH....errors have been made.” TFS abridged is forever in my mind anytime I watch dragon ball z now 😂😂
i love android 16s theme, its soo calm and really represents him, also ive never even thought about android 16 being built in the future #AndroidArnold
That's how I see it. I used to see it as Gero doing a count down to his pinnacle work since the androids are introduced to us in reverse numerical order and 16 was not complete yet. Then I watched DB and saw Eighter.
Brian Cabbit I hadn't watched the original show that far until well after I thought it was a countdown. The fact that Eighter existed then sort of blew that idea away.
Brian Cabbit No. It means that some designs took longer to develop. Gero could have come up with the ideas of 16, 17, 18, and 19 within a short period if time, but found 17 & 18 to be difficult to completely finish, and 16 more so for Gero's own personal reasons. Their number names could be short for "Android Plan 16" for example.
The divergent timelines originate when Trunks arrives and kills Frieza. All androids from 16 to 19 as well as Cell were already created/being created at this time, and as further proof, we know that Trunks' presence gives Gero more data to work with allowing him to increase 17 and 18's power while completing 19 and himself at a competitive power level. tl;dr yep, android 16 existed in the future because he had already been built by the time Trunks changes the timeline
I literally can point to an event in the timeline that occurs far earlier than Cell's arrival. I can literally say that Future Trunks and the regular timeline split the second Trunks arrives in the past. The very first time in either timeline that anything happens differently is literally Trunks arriving in the past. Cell happens AFTER this in the timeline, meaning, the timeline IS ALREADY CHANGED BY TRUNKS ARRIVING. Cell was not the change in the timeline, never was, never will be, it is 100% Future Trunks that changes the timeline, try actually watching the show next time
You... You do know that you can pinpoint the exact event from which timelines diverge, right? Like I've said, we know the timelines split based on whether or not Trunks kills Frieza. Go find another post to be stupid on
Cell only exists because Trunks changed the timeline first; Cell's presence changes nothing because he comes from a third timeline and goes straight to the first. It's the same reason Trunks' future wasn't changed at all. Again, simple concepts, that you're too stupid to understand. And I didn't stop thinking when I turned to insults, I'm still thinking about just how stupid you are
I got something I just started thinking about. What if the reason SSJ3 is so unstable and toxic to the user is because Goku achieved the form "too soon." Goku is the only one (as far as I can remember) who actually had a problem using the form (i.e. eating away his day on Earth and stamina issues in the final fight). Gotenks didn't have issues. His timer for fusion ran out, but that was just him not paying attention to how much time he had and using time inefficiently.
Yeah I honestly believe in that. If he were to use the ssj3 form in super then i believe he could probably maintain it indefinitely, considering how powerful he's gotten from training and the absorption of super saiyan god's power.
Dylan Gerig honestly i wish goku invested into mastering ssj3 (like he did with ssj1 in the cell saga). It's such a cool transformation but has such a drawback because goku learned it prematurely, so it's been neglected. My dream right now is ssjb3k but i know that probably wont happen :(
Because it wouldn't have made a difference. Goku died of a natural cause, so he couldn't be brought back. No one was strong enough to fight the androids, and Bulma and Trunks knew that. That's why they went to the past where Goku was still alive
+Gohuken Azutaku Couldn't they just wish away the Androids, or become immortal, or get stronger? Hell all 3 whishes could be granted. Or is it too much?
Qaaman, ace vid dude , i would absolutelly love to have a discussion with you on some Dragon Ball theories especially the Timeline theories. I done some research into your previous timeline theory and everything surrounding the content... i think on that you were slightly off and at that point there were only 2 or 3 timelines although now in Super ewe may have an extra one although they are blurring the lines as to whether multiverse theory does actually work consistently as at some points they have displayed that there are multiple timelines deffinitevley although at other times they have (now) shown that timelines are linear and can be effected by people traveling in time. I am a massive Doctor Who fan so thinking about these sorts of issues / paradoxes is something i love and can do for hours haha. Also ... We have to now add in paradoxes, as they can exist in the Dragon Ball universe... we just do not know how long they exist for though. Have a nice day dude :) Catch me on twitter @steviesboom
I have a theory about SS4. This theory may or may not been discussed but I would love to hear your opinion on this. I believe that SS4 is not actually an Super Sayian mutation but a Merely a Sayian Transformation closer to Freiza. I also believe that is the most powerful form a Sayian can reach but not because of the obvious power increase but because that form allows you to unleash your full potential. I also believe that because of this fact the 2 FULL Blooded Sayians in the show have been achieving they're Super Sayian forms the wrong way. What they should have been doing from the beginning was First mastering "SS4" (or what I'm simply calling The 4th Sayian Transformation) and then going SS from that form. It's my belief that the 4th "ST" would somewhat have the same effect as the Mistic Blue form of Gohan which allows you to use the full potential of whatever form you're in. Also with this the SS3 form wouldn't be as useless as it has been. One difference in the 4th ST form is the growth in body size which I feel relieves the strain on the body that the SS3 form puts on your body. All in all I feel that a combination of the 4th ST plus SS3 mutation could complete or even surpass the SS Blue form in Dragon Ball Super
great video! But knowing Toriyama's memory loss, we may still see a scene where 16 fails miserably against Black. that or his scraps in future timeline
@ 5:00 but why should cell know about 16, if 16 was based on gero's son its possible he didn't want cell to encounter 16. another possibility is that 16 could have been a failsafe to stop the other androids in case things didn't go as planned, but didn't have the chance to give him those orders before he died
Some side thing to note. 16 might have not originally been Gero's Son in the Future timeline. He might have gotten some Visual data from Trunks, and possibly figured out Trunks was Vegeta's Son, triggering his own emotions and remembering his own son, which may have become the inspiration for 16. Its because 16 then became his son that Gero went so far with him, determined to see his son like Android through to the end, and only once completely done, did the personality flaw make him deem it a failure. So Present Cell, who trunks and Krillin Killed, may have known about 16, but Future Cell had no way of knowing since Trunks never showed up to inspire 16 in his timeline. Definitly can not say its impossible.
I think he was created to sort of counter Cell. Gero probably thought Cell was a dangerous project he made in a fit of passion for science, and the whole "gone horribly right but gone wrong" thing. He never probably intended to destroy the earth but rule it. And saw that Cell could become a destroyer more than a conqueror.
Very good video. You earned a subscriber out of me. Android 16 was always my favorite DBZ character. Loving life, gentle, yet strong to protect what he believes in. He also overcame his programming. Saying that I would like to take your argument one step further. Do you believe he is alive in the present time line? After the dragonballs wished everyone back after the cell saga? And furthermore would you like to see him in DB Super? I have theorized he could of been a great addition to super. In the tournament, due to his super computer in his head, he could of detected hits time step.. Or given info on other aspects of events that take place. Since the coputer and senses are there. After all so many DBZ fans want Gohon to use his brains for a fight, but 16 would be much better in my opinion. Possible he was created in different reality like 7? To where he is still evil?
4:15 Android #17 and #18 aren't necessarily newer than #19 and #20. Toriyama changed his mind about which android were going to be the 'main' antagonists, thats the only relevant fact here. Just because Toriyama wrote them into the story later, doesn't mean they are infact newer creations by Gero... The most logical explenation storywise is: Dr. Gero wasn't happy with #17 and #18 because they wouldn't listen, so he created #19 and #20. Yellow letters don't make an assumption true.
#16 was a "failure" according to Dr Gero. He hadn't made him perfect. However, he made him in the likeness of his son for the sole purpose of killing Goku. In Future Trunks' timeline, Goku died of a heart attack so Gero probably stopped work on him. He decided to start work on models that were not wholly synthetic instead, hence #17 and #18. They were severely over powered and he couldn't get their programming quite right either so he decided to make a fully subservient android (#19) and transform himself into a cyborg as well. In the future he may have decided not to build #19 or transform himself into an android due to the death of Goku. #16 still would have been built and the numbers system entirely makes sense. He just decided to let his son go when Goku was killed as he could never really get his true vengeance so he was never completed. It would therefore make more sense that #16 and all the other androids existed, they were just scrapped or never activated. When Gero activated #17 and #18 in the future they easily disposed of him as a human and destroyed the main lab, destroying most of his work and the deactivated and vulnerable #16 in the process.
Maybe Gero didn't want Cell to know about 16 because, as mentioned in your video, he didn't want 16 to be killed (hence the noncombative personality). If that's the case, then Cell's lack of knowledge of 16 means absolutely nothing, in any timeline.
Dear, Quamen Not necessarily, Cell could not have any knowledge about #16 because Dr. Gero wanted it that, because he build in image of his son, therefore he did not wanted 16 to be used for battle.
Its actually simple. 16 was in future. Never got activated. But with the Z fighters at the geros lab, hes forced to rush into releasing 17 and 18. 17 and 18, enjoying seeing Gero panic, just started walking around to keep disobeying gero and they found 16, and released him due to curiousity Head cannon op
Perhaps Gero deliberately kept knowledge of 16 from Cell? Being based on his son, he wouldn't want him destroyed, and programmed Cell to shunt out knowledge of anything except direct exposure to 16. Gero In Hell : "Beware, Goku! Androids 12, 11, and 10 will be stereotypes of late 70's Saturday Morning Western Animation---Archie, Scooby-Doo and Animated Spin-Off Of Live Action Show!" Goku : "Wow, that really is evil--then again, Saturday morning cartoons..."
I think Gero saw 16 as his Son incarnate and was never meant be awaken but for recreational/memory purposes. He wanted the pain of losing his son to go away hence why he wasn't really involved in future timelines cause Gero wasn't spotted working on him, Gero had many pods and numbers hanging around different places, I don't think any android or Cell really were inventive or took to creating androids as it isn't in their design so I can understand 16 just being thrown in the office with other models without much care or attention. The other thing I would say made this timeline different is where the 16 pod was placed, it was almost as if he forgot to put him away when he released 17 and 18 in a panic knowing the Z warriors were outside. Dr Gero story is kind of sad but warranted due to him chasing Goku all his life, if he had left Goku alone, he would of had a much fuller life.
Pretty sure 16 was in both timelines as nothing was changed until after Cell arrived 4 years prior. He was just never activated/ Afterall, in the main universe timeline 17 and 18 had no knowledge of 16 but he still existed in it
Hey man, could you make an episode about the huge paradox that is the Goku Black arc? I mean, it's being implied by the anime that Zamasu's hatred against Goku started when he met him on his universe, which is impossible since Future Zamasu never met Goku in the first place. People seem to forget that the future of Future Trunks is NOT the future of the timeline we watch, so Trunks coming back to "our" timeline did change it making Goku and Zamasu meet, but this event never happened on Trunks' own timeline. The anime is implying that the event that originated the hatred in the "Future Zamasu" is the one that unfolded in "our" timeline, which is totally contradictory to everything that happened before in DBZ. Why? Because if events that happen in "our" timeline had any influence on Future Trunks' timeline, then after the events with cell, his future should've been completely fine, which it wasn't. We are even getting more evidence that this is the route they're taking with the storytelling, because on the next episode it'll be shown that Future Zamasu got his imortal body from the super dragon balls, which again, is an event that only took place because of Trunks' time travel. Yet another evidence that they're choosing to let the events of "our" timeline influence Future Trunks' timeline. What's you opinion about this?
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If gero never made any android up to 17 and 18 then yes because unless those two are his fav numbers, why would he pick such random numbers to call his androids?
+Skriva Kanga Exactly, also Qaaman is forgetting one key thing. We know for a FACT that everything in the original timeline and everything in Trunks' timeline happened EXACTLY the same before he showed up. That's how Trunks was able to know exactly when and where Freiza would appear. It was only AFTER he arrived that things began to change. So up until 3 years before the androids arrived, both timelines played out the same way, which means if 16 was completed BEFORE Trunks arrived, (and there's no reason to believe otherwise, since Gero said he was working on 16 for a LONG time), then 16 would certainly exist in both timelines, since he would have already been completed before Trunks got there. Of course, there would be differences afterwards, so maybe his pod was moved from the location that we know, and maybe Gero never programed Cell to know about 16, because what would be the point? 16 was Gero's failure, so there would be no reason to let Cell, or anyone else know about it. So because of all of that, I say 16 does exist in Trunks' timeline.
Kool Keith Productions when Gero said he was going to rework Android 16 when the other two asked him why he kept him around i had a feeling that Gero might of kept him just in case Cell was a failure as since 16 was as strong as first form cell and quickly overpowered him and not only that but as you said 16 was not known to Cell so yea i beleave 16 would have become a assassin Android but only to destroy Cell if he was a failure.
Honestly I feel the Cell part can't really be used as evidence. Mainly because Cell only needed to know about 17 and 18 because they were contained the biology he needed to become Perfect. Also knowing Dr.Gero based 16 off his dead son and made him gentle to stop his possible destruction. It makes since Cell wouldn't know about him, knowing Cell's personality he'd just destroy 16 if he knew 16 was ANYWHERE near his power
the reason cell doesn't know about him is because he wasn't suppose to know, he was a failed project and got scrapped. and he had no use for him. saying that he should know about him is like saying that he knows about android 8 from the dragon ball saga. the cell we saw came from the 3rd timeline, so he saw the lab destroyed in that timeline, which the container with him could've been destroyed. the cell from trunk's timeline was killed pretty fast so he could've obsorbed him but it ain't do nothing but nothing says that that cell didn't know about 16 in that future, since trunks didn't know about Gero's lab.
Is this really a question? lol Qaaman is better than this. 16 was made in the past. Cell not knowing is a pretty weak argument and 16 is simply Gero's secret, as obviously shown.
I think 16 probably remained as an unfinished skeleton originally, after gero had abandoned pure robotics to make the cyborg types of 17 and 18. I think it was only after 17 and 18 gave him problems and after he created 19 which he viewed as his perfect servant would gero return to the unfinished 16 and in his free time work on him in the image of his son.
If you think about, it could have been that no other androids have been programmed with the knowledge of 16s existence, 17 and 18 also didn't know about 16.
I guess that Gero never gave Cell any knowledge about No.16 because he didn't wanted Cell to kill him and never thought he was going to get awakened in the first place.
What if 17 and 18 destroyed Doctor Gero's lab and 16 (who would be offline in his pod) along with it when the rebelled against Gero? Cell would be down in the basement protected from being destroyed from their outburst and 16 being destroyed in this hypothetical scenario would explain why Cell doesn't know about 16.
The real question is why is 16 so strong compared to the others when he is an earlier model? Why didn't Gero just use 16 to kill Goku rather than 17, 18 or 19? I know he is quite passive but he still would kill Goku just not the other Z fighters.
The divergence in timelines could also be from cell himself, since the time machine he came in was there a year before Trunks first traveled back to defeat Frieza and warn Goku of the androids.
Well, Cell didnt have knowledge of android 16 for the most part. He somehow was under the impression his "neural link" was in his neck, but was wrong. It had been changed, but was revealed to have been there before. Cell did not know who android 18 and 17 were though. He stated "its weird, its almost like i have seen them before..." Meaning he was given some data, at least as far as to recognize them upon seeing them, but not enough to actually know what they look like. And "completely clueless" is a far off statement, because he saw the RR symbol and said "that must be one of Geros older, less efficient models"
Cell's lack of knowledge could be explained off as DR Gero decided that he was pained by the fact that he had failed in recreating him, so he wanted that android wiped from existence including memory.
I say he was created in case 16 and 17 got out of control, but still, Gero quoted that if they released him, we all will be doomed. So the next thought un mind is what purpose was he suppose to serve other than destroying Goku, seeing that he was clearly stronger than 17 and 18, but weaker than Cell after his acquisitions?
Android 16 persisted only in the main timeline, because the Z fighters pushed Gero's hand, before Goku died of the heart-virus. Gero always showed a lack of control over his androids and 16 was no different, but in the future Trunks timeline, Gero destroyed all his androids except himself and 17/18. Gero's plan after killing Goku, was to replace humans with duplicate androids that were under his control. 17/18's artificial cells, were a means to that end. This is why they are referred to as Androids and not Cyborgs, because the intent was for the artificial cells to duplicate the regular cells, so the biology could be removed, leaving a perfect android duplicate.
fact is the future is nothing but an illusion of whats gonna happen and whats not gonna happen. the present can always change the future. in other words, the future always lie
cell in the present time line came from a different timeline, maybe android 16 wasnt killed in the trunks time line, or even born. its possible 16 is from this time line is the only one that exsists. Also it could explain trunks getting the present timeline androids the wrong number
Gero created 16 specifically to kill Goku. In the future, Goku had already died from the heart virus, making 16's purpose irrelevant. It's very likely that once Gero heard about Goku's death, he put 16 in storage, and he didn't feel the need to include anything about 16 in Cell's memory.
I have always thought that androids 16's gentle personality was enough of a force to effect androids 17 and 18 so they weren't completely evil like in trunks time line... You might ask how? Even saying that 16 wasnt with 17 and 18 enough to actually have a big influence, however, I would argue him just being there was enough, think bioshock or butterfly theory(yes i understand those comparisons are not the best but you get the point)
trunks didn't cause 16 being in the show. cell did. he was there a year before trunks, and Kami sensed it. Kamis feeling caused a butterfly effect that caused 26. 16 was most likely made before 17 and 18, but was scrapped in the future for some reason. If it was Dr. Geros son, he probably kept him out of cells records for sentimental reasons. Kamis sensing cell most likely caused a butterfly effect that caused Gero not to destroy 16, and continue tweaking his personality
I think 16 was just never intended to be released, if you are saying 16 is his son, then could it be possible that his affection for him caused him to never complete him, because he wanted his son to be perfect? But because of Trunks altering the Main Timeline, it led to the activation of 16? I think that may also be why Cell never knew about him, 16 was personal, why let anything know, even another one of your creations?
Other then saying no because we have no real idea if he was built, I think it's possible that Android 16 was built but 17 and 18 just didn't release him. The Androids are a lot more arrogant as well as powerful in the future, and they would be too cocky and not bother releasing him because they didn't need him.
Alright, an explanation for why Android 16 may only exist in the "main" timeline; the bugs that collect Cell's data would've seen Frieza's death. Thus, Doctor Gero would see a mysterious golden-haired fighter. He's not sure who this is, all he knows is "OK, there's someone strong along with Goku and his friends. I may need to work more on my androids to deal with this." It'd explain both why Android 16 exists in the main timeline(his schedule wouldn't have been altered in Trunks' timeline) and why 17 and 18 are stronger in the main timeline.
I think that Android 16 was in the future because if he was made because his son died in the red ribbon army then he must've been made regardless because its still the same timeline and it happened way before trunks even came back in the first place and cell didn't have to know the plans of who 16 even was because it wasn't really important to him
Can you make a theory video on the 4th time line made by the Future Trunk/ Android saga? the 4th being the one created when the Future Trunks we know in the series killed his timeline's Cell stopping him from going back in time.
Hay qaaman can you do a Theory / predictions on what if Goten was one year older in the future Trunks timeline and how would his impact help Gohan and trunks
omg a non q&a i love you so much right now qaaman i love when you tackle a single subject with a video this is great i wish it happened more please fuck me
I did watched Dragon Ball Multiverse where Gohan meet Future Trunk by his side was Android 16 so why are they together if he was not built in the future? In the present time line, 16 already completely destroyed by Perfect Cell.
16 was probably scraped once Goku dies in the future timeline. Gero only continued to work on 16 in the current time line because Goku was still alive. 16 was considerably stronger then 17 and 18 and was probably insurance to kill Goku if they were unable to.
I thought that it was more of 16 was a frailer so he was scraped in both futers BUT when trunks showed up he showed goku and the squad cyborg 20 and android 19 so he was not able to scrap 16 this is why he calls him a frailer and why he's not in the futures and it also explains why cell doesn't know him
I think we're missing an important piece of information to tell for sure. That information is, when did Gero's son die? If he died before Cell went back in time then 16 would also very likely have been created in the future. If his son died after Cell went back in time then it's possible that there's only one 16 as where Cell arrived is where the once identical timelines went in two different outcomes from then onward. So until we find one whether or not Gero's son died before or after the very first contact from the future where there's one or two android 16's is still up for debate. Cell's word just isn't enough for me.
I discussed that but what your saying is based on possibility. The point of the video was to say there really is a lack of evidence to support the fan theory whereas there is more evidence to contradict it
Could Dr Gero possibly have removed Android 16 from Cell's memory because he didn't want Cell to attack 16?
Yeah bcoz clues were there in abridged that 16 was gero's son
No argument needed. Toriyama is one of the worse writers when it comes to continuity.
Because he forgot FORGOT
True, and I find it very weird how he forgets so much about his own continuity seeing as how his characters are some of the most famous and iconic characters in history..
I know right
So forgetful, like he said himself in an interview about Launch from dragon ball he simply forgot about her and that’s why we never saw her in Z. How do you forget about main characters though lol?
@@uejsilulja1280 he's right tho.
Just because 16 isn't seen and Cell has no knowledge of 16, it cannot be concluded one way or the other that 16 existed in the other timelines since it is completely possible that 16 was created, but never activated. Since 16 is not a requirement for Cell's evolution and 16 was considered a failure, there would be no reason for the knowledge of 16 to be incorporated into Cell. We also have to consider that 16's prime directive is to destroy Goku. Since the vital difference between those timeslines and the one where 16 appears is that Goku is still alive, we can conclude that Gero had no intention of furthering development or activation of 16 since Goku was no longer alive by the time the other Androids were activated. It seems to be that the determining factor of 16's appearance is that Goku is still alive when the Androids activate.
This makes the most sense.
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Thank you bro, that is so well explained Why people make videos like that just to confuse people and gain views.
Real og of dragon ball know best x
It’s cuz 17 and 18 activated him in the main timeline
You're forgetting one key thing, Qaaman. We know for a FACT that everything in the original timeline and everything in Trunks' timeline happened EXACTLY the same before he showed up. That's how Trunks was able to know exactly when and where Freiza would appear. It was only AFTER he left that things began to change. So up until 3 years before the androids arrived, both timelines played out the same way, which means if 16 was completed BEFORE Trunks arrived, (and there's no reason to believe otherwise, since Gero said he was working on 16 for a LOOOOOONG time), then 16 would certainly exist in both timelines, since he would have already been completed BEFORE Trunks got there. Of course, AFTERWARDS, there would likely be some key differences. Maybe his pod was moved from the location that we know, which explains why we didn't see him. And maybe Gero never programed Cell to know about 16, because what would be the point? 16 was Gero's failure, so there would be no reason to let Cell, or anyone else know about it. So because of all of that, I say 16 does (did) exist in Trunks' timeline.
So where was he then?
+Qaaman's Land
If I had to guess? Still locked away in a secret compartment in Dr. Gero's lab. Either that, or he was destroyed during 17 and 18's rampage without them even knowing of his existence. It makes more sense than Gero simply not building him at all, and skipping to 17 and 18. And besides, even if Akira was planning on 19 and 20 being the main villains, then that still doesn't mean 16 would not have existed. He probably would have been called "18" then, but he still would have been there if the story called for it.
The part for Toriyama meant that he as the writer viewed 16 as a new android
Qaaman's Land
Yeah, I get what Akira and the other writers originally *wanted* to do, but that's a completely separate thing from what makes sense in the story once they decided what there *were* going to do, and there's really no good reason why 16 would only exist in one timeline.
or mabye dr geros son didn't die in trunks timeline
There's actually 4 timelines. In the timeline that Cell came from, Trunks deactivated the androids with the remote control and didn't get the power boost from training in the Room of Spirit and Time.
This video makes it all so clear: Android 16 is...Goku Black. ~_~
What's your theory behind it?
+Qaaman's Land its obvious zamasu rebuilt 16 when he went to future trunks timeline and gave him gokus dead body
+Big Green 47 ............. I'll accept that theory
+Big Green 47 That's stupid. Then how did he get Super Saiyan Rose? If he's an android ffs.
+Qaaman's Land Hey Qaaman I've got a question for you. do you think we might see android 16 in dragon super. because they did bring back future mai and they also finally explained what happened to dabura and babidi in trunks future timeline.
Android 16 looks like recoome
Gabriel Guzman lol in the commercial introducing I thought that was him.
BECAUSE THE NAMES RECOOME,IT RHYMES, WITH DOOM AND YOUR GONNA BE HURTING,ALL.TO.SOOOON
@@howtomakeagood1721 "Ready Jeice?" " 'Course mate!" "Three, two, one!" "SEIZURE PROCEDURE!"
I said the same thing when I was a kid
In my own mind...
3:32
16-“I am ANDROID 16.”
Cell-“OH....errors have been made.”
TFS abridged is forever in my mind anytime I watch dragon ball z now 😂😂
i love android 16s theme, its soo calm and really represents him, also ive never even thought about android 16 being built in the future #AndroidArnold
It fits his style
He is my favorite, but he's so underused. The balls should have brought him back.
@@robinthrush9672 most matured character of dbz
After seeing TFS Episode 56, I think you'd have another good theory to talk about with Android 16.
Toriyama actually confirmed that one
Android 16 has always been my favorite Android..
What about when trunks said in the anime in my future that android doesn't exist
Could the numbers be based on the design order? Android 16 could have just been in longer development despite being a lower number.
Ikr
That's how I see it. I used to see it as Gero doing a count down to his pinnacle work since the androids are introduced to us in reverse numerical order and 16 was not complete yet. Then I watched DB and saw Eighter.
Wouldn't that mean that Android 8 should've been far stronger than the ones introduced in Z?
Brian Cabbit
I hadn't watched the original show that far until well after I thought it was a countdown. The fact that Eighter existed then sort of blew that idea away.
Brian Cabbit No. It means that some designs took longer to develop. Gero could have come up with the ideas of 16, 17, 18, and 19 within a short period if time, but found 17 & 18 to be difficult to completely finish, and 16 more so for Gero's own personal reasons. Their number names could be short for "Android Plan 16" for example.
The divergent timelines originate when Trunks arrives and kills Frieza. All androids from 16 to 19 as well as Cell were already created/being created at this time, and as further proof, we know that Trunks' presence gives Gero more data to work with allowing him to increase 17 and 18's power while completing 19 and himself at a competitive power level.
tl;dr yep, android 16 existed in the future because he had already been built by the time Trunks changes the timeline
No, the timeline diverges when Trunks arrives, as in the original timeline Trunks doesn't arrive and Goku kills Frieza and King Cold
I literally can point to an event in the timeline that occurs far earlier than Cell's arrival. I can literally say that Future Trunks and the regular timeline split the second Trunks arrives in the past. The very first time in either timeline that anything happens differently is literally Trunks arriving in the past. Cell happens AFTER this in the timeline, meaning, the timeline IS ALREADY CHANGED BY TRUNKS ARRIVING. Cell was not the change in the timeline, never was, never will be, it is 100% Future Trunks that changes the timeline, try actually watching the show next time
You... You do know that you can pinpoint the exact event from which timelines diverge, right? Like I've said, we know the timelines split based on whether or not Trunks kills Frieza. Go find another post to be stupid on
Cell only exists because Trunks changed the timeline first; Cell's presence changes nothing because he comes from a third timeline and goes straight to the first. It's the same reason Trunks' future wasn't changed at all. Again, simple concepts, that you're too stupid to understand. And I didn't stop thinking when I turned to insults, I'm still thinking about just how stupid you are
Request/Question: What If Nappa Killed Gohan? I haven't seen anything on that anywhere.
What if Gero never considered 16 a finished work. Instead he left that info out because he never finished it.
Yup, if 16 would have been around in the other timelines the twins probably would have turned him on then too.
I like your theory videos +qaaman. That's the reason I subscribed to your channel and began watching other dragon ball RUclipsrs in the first place.
Dr. Gero wanted No. 16 to be gentle
builds an gentle android
calls him a failure because he's too pacifist
wat
Bigger question...HOW DID GERO MAKE HIMSELF INTO AN ANDROID...Wait, how did I do that?😂
Maybe he had 19 do it for him
I think that was confirmed. He created an android body for himself, then had 19 remove his brain and put it in the new body.
never thought of this one! Gotta say that Cell point makes it clear he wasn't in the future.
Another solid video. Nice stuff!
#AndroidArnold Great video Qaaman! Although we're getting less videos, the quality definitely makes up for it!
True but I have uploaded a lot recently haha
+Qaaman's Land you don't have that 6 month upload schedule at least :)
Yes but he was scraped because dr. Gero found out goku was dead and he scraped him because his only purpose was to kill goku.
Android 16 would have been perfect for the goku black arc
Hey mate, wondering what's the name of the Bruce Faulconer theme used from the beginning of the video?
Android 16's theme lol
Hahaha, this is embarrassing. BTW Thanks m8 keep up the good vids flowing!
I got something I just started thinking about. What if the reason SSJ3 is so unstable and toxic to the user is because Goku achieved the form "too soon." Goku is the only one (as far as I can remember) who actually had a problem using the form (i.e. eating away his day on Earth and stamina issues in the final fight).
Gotenks didn't have issues. His timer for fusion ran out, but that was just him not paying attention to how much time he had and using time inefficiently.
Good Question
Yeah I honestly believe in that. If he were to use the ssj3 form in super then i believe he could probably maintain it indefinitely, considering how powerful he's gotten from training and the absorption of super saiyan god's power.
+Captain Chickenz that also makes sense. he didn't seem too bent out of shape when he sparred with Future Trunks
Dylan Gerig honestly i wish goku invested into mastering ssj3 (like he did with ssj1 in the cell saga). It's such a cool transformation but has such a drawback because goku learned it prematurely, so it's been neglected. My dream right now is ssjb3k but i know that probably wont happen :(
+Captain Chickenz IKR.. the closest we've had to something cool like that was SSB kaioken.
Wow it's great to see this video and the effort that was put into making it is very apparent. Nice!
Why didn't Trunks and Bulma go to Namek to revive earth and everyone who was killed in the future by the androids? That's a theory!!!
They lost the ship maybe?
She could have built another. Building a ship is child's play compared to building a time machine.
Because it wouldn't have made a difference. Goku died of a natural cause, so he couldn't be brought back. No one was strong enough to fight the androids, and Bulma and Trunks knew that. That's why they went to the past where Goku was still alive
+Gohuken Azutaku Couldn't they just wish away the Androids, or become immortal, or get stronger? Hell all 3 whishes could be granted. Or is it too much?
Bulma didn't have the coordinates of New Namek. Kaio knew them, but he ignored the Cyborg threat like he did in the main timeline.
love these kind of videos. MOAR
Qaaman, ace vid dude , i would absolutelly love to have a discussion with you on some Dragon Ball theories especially the Timeline theories.
I done some research into your previous timeline theory and everything surrounding the content... i think on that you were slightly off and at that point there were only 2 or 3 timelines although now in Super ewe may have an extra one although they are blurring the lines as to whether multiverse theory does actually work consistently as at some points they have displayed that there are multiple timelines deffinitevley although at other times they have (now) shown that timelines are linear and can be effected by people traveling in time.
I am a massive Doctor Who fan so thinking about these sorts of issues / paradoxes is something i love and can do for hours haha.
Also ... We have to now add in paradoxes, as they can exist in the Dragon Ball universe... we just do not know how long they exist for though.
Have a nice day dude :) Catch me on twitter @steviesboom
I have a theory about SS4. This theory may or may not been discussed but I would love to hear your opinion on this. I believe that SS4 is not actually an Super Sayian mutation but a Merely a Sayian Transformation closer to Freiza. I also believe that is the most powerful form a Sayian can reach but not because of the obvious power increase but because that form allows you to unleash your full potential. I also believe that because of this fact the 2 FULL Blooded Sayians in the show have been achieving they're Super Sayian forms the wrong way. What they should have been doing from the beginning was First mastering "SS4" (or what I'm simply calling The 4th Sayian Transformation) and then going SS from that form. It's my belief that the 4th "ST" would somewhat have the same effect as the Mistic Blue form of Gohan which allows you to use the full potential of whatever form you're in. Also with this the SS3 form wouldn't be as useless as it has been. One difference in the 4th ST form is the growth in body size which I feel relieves the strain on the body that the SS3 form puts on your body. All in all I feel that a combination of the 4th ST plus SS3 mutation could complete or even surpass the SS Blue form in Dragon Ball Super
great video! But knowing Toriyama's memory loss, we may still see a scene where 16 fails miserably against Black. that or his scraps in future timeline
Great discussion Qaaman.
Thanks Bro!
Yes,he's was built in the future but wasn't activated at the same time as android 17 & 18 though
@ 5:00 but why should cell know about 16, if 16 was based on gero's son its possible he didn't want cell to encounter 16. another possibility is that 16 could have been a failsafe to stop the other androids in case things didn't go as planned, but didn't have the chance to give him those orders before he died
Some side thing to note. 16 might have not originally been Gero's Son in the Future timeline. He might have gotten some Visual data from Trunks, and possibly figured out Trunks was Vegeta's Son, triggering his own emotions and remembering his own son, which may have become the inspiration for 16. Its because 16 then became his son that Gero went so far with him, determined to see his son like Android through to the end, and only once completely done, did the personality flaw make him deem it a failure. So Present Cell, who trunks and Krillin Killed, may have known about 16, but Future Cell had no way of knowing since Trunks never showed up to inspire 16 in his timeline. Definitly can not say its impossible.
I think he was created to sort of counter Cell. Gero probably thought Cell was a dangerous project he made in a fit of passion for science, and the whole "gone horribly right but gone wrong" thing.
He never probably intended to destroy the earth but rule it. And saw that Cell could become a destroyer more than a conqueror.
Nice!!! Awesome video!!!
Very good video. You earned a subscriber out of me. Android 16 was always my favorite DBZ character. Loving life, gentle, yet strong to protect what he believes in. He also overcame his programming. Saying that I would like to take your argument one step further. Do you believe he is alive in the present time line? After the dragonballs wished everyone back after the cell saga? And furthermore would you like to see him in DB Super?
I have theorized he could of been a great addition to super. In the tournament, due to his super computer in his head, he could of detected hits time step.. Or given info on other aspects of events that take place. Since the coputer and senses are there. After all so many DBZ fans want Gohon to use his brains for a fight, but 16 would be much better in my opinion.
Possible he was created in different reality like 7? To where he is still evil?
4:15 Android #17 and #18 aren't necessarily newer than #19 and #20. Toriyama changed his mind about which android were going to be the 'main' antagonists, thats the only relevant fact here. Just because Toriyama wrote them into the story later, doesn't mean they are infact newer creations by Gero... The most logical explenation storywise is: Dr. Gero wasn't happy with #17 and #18 because they wouldn't listen, so he created #19 and #20.
Yellow letters don't make an assumption true.
#16 was a "failure" according to Dr Gero. He hadn't made him perfect. However, he made him in the likeness of his son for the sole purpose of killing Goku. In Future Trunks' timeline, Goku died of a heart attack so Gero probably stopped work on him. He decided to start work on models that were not wholly synthetic instead, hence #17 and #18. They were severely over powered and he couldn't get their programming quite right either so he decided to make a fully subservient android (#19) and transform himself into a cyborg as well.
In the future he may have decided not to build #19 or transform himself into an android due to the death of Goku. #16 still would have been built and the numbers system entirely makes sense. He just decided to let his son go when Goku was killed as he could never really get his true vengeance so he was never completed.
It would therefore make more sense that #16 and all the other androids existed, they were just scrapped or never activated. When Gero activated #17 and #18 in the future they easily disposed of him as a human and destroyed the main lab, destroying most of his work and the deactivated and vulnerable #16 in the process.
This is better than crappy content in a short time.Need more of these videos
Maybe Gero didn't want Cell to know about 16 because, as mentioned in your video, he didn't want 16 to be killed (hence the noncombative personality). If that's the case, then Cell's lack of knowledge of 16 means absolutely nothing, in any timeline.
Dear, Quamen
Not necessarily, Cell could not have any knowledge about #16 because Dr. Gero wanted it that, because he build in image of his son, therefore he did not wanted 16 to be used for battle.
Its actually simple.
16 was in future. Never got activated.
But with the Z fighters at the geros lab, hes forced to rush into releasing 17 and 18.
17 and 18, enjoying seeing Gero panic, just started walking around to keep disobeying gero and they found 16, and released him due to curiousity
Head cannon op
Perhaps Gero deliberately kept knowledge of 16 from Cell? Being based on his son, he wouldn't want him destroyed, and programmed Cell to shunt out knowledge of anything except direct exposure to 16.
Gero In Hell : "Beware, Goku! Androids 12, 11, and 10 will be stereotypes of late 70's Saturday Morning Western Animation---Archie, Scooby-Doo and Animated Spin-Off Of Live Action Show!"
Goku : "Wow, that really is evil--then again, Saturday morning cartoons..."
I think Gero saw 16 as his Son incarnate and was never meant be awaken but for recreational/memory purposes. He wanted the pain of losing his son to go away hence why he wasn't really involved in future timelines cause Gero wasn't spotted working on him, Gero had many pods and numbers hanging around different places, I don't think any android or Cell really were inventive or took to creating androids as it isn't in their design so I can understand 16 just being thrown in the office with other models without much care or attention. The other thing I would say made this timeline different is where the 16 pod was placed, it was almost as if he forgot to put him away when he released 17 and 18 in a panic knowing the Z warriors were outside. Dr Gero story is kind of sad but warranted due to him chasing Goku all his life, if he had left Goku alone, he would of had a much fuller life.
Pretty sure 16 was in both timelines as nothing was changed until after Cell arrived 4 years prior. He was just never activated/
Afterall, in the main universe timeline 17 and 18 had no knowledge of 16 but he still existed in it
I'm early, gotta make a joke.
Cat Balls.
It will never die huh?
+Qaaman's Land No, never, not until your entire fanbase knows.
I think that's impossible haha
+Qaaman's Land I won't stop trying.
Poke the balls
What's the song playing at 9:20?
Hey man, could you make an episode about the huge paradox that is the Goku Black arc? I mean, it's being implied by the anime that Zamasu's hatred against Goku started when he met him on his universe, which is impossible since Future Zamasu never met Goku in the first place.
People seem to forget that the future of Future Trunks is NOT the future of the timeline we watch, so Trunks coming back to "our" timeline did change it making Goku and Zamasu meet, but this event never happened on Trunks' own timeline. The anime is implying that the event that originated the hatred in the "Future Zamasu" is the one that unfolded in "our" timeline, which is totally contradictory to everything that happened before in DBZ. Why? Because if events that happen in "our" timeline had any influence on Future Trunks' timeline, then after the events with cell, his future should've been completely fine, which it wasn't.
We are even getting more evidence that this is the route they're taking with the storytelling, because on the next episode it'll be shown that Future Zamasu got his imortal body from the super dragon balls, which again, is an event that only took place because of Trunks' time travel. Yet another evidence that they're choosing to let the events of "our" timeline influence Future Trunks' timeline.
What's you opinion about this?
you know 16 could still be alive.....i future trunks timeline
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what if everybody know that was gohan and the z fighters that defeated cell not satan?
Qaaman really loves transitions.
why would Gero number his androids 17 and 18 if he never made 16? why not just call android 17 16 and android 18 17 then?
If gero never made any android up to 17 and 18 then yes because unless those two are his fav numbers, why would he pick such random numbers to call his androids?
Why did he name Android 16, well 16, if he never made an Android 15, 14 and so on ?
+Skriva Kanga Exactly, also Qaaman is forgetting one key thing. We know for a FACT that everything in the original timeline and everything in Trunks' timeline happened EXACTLY the same before he showed up. That's how Trunks was able to know exactly when and where Freiza would appear. It was only AFTER he arrived that things began to change. So up until 3 years before the androids arrived, both timelines played out the same way, which means if 16 was completed BEFORE Trunks arrived, (and there's no reason to believe otherwise, since Gero said he was working on 16 for a LONG time), then 16 would certainly exist in both timelines, since he would have already been completed before Trunks got there. Of course, there would be differences afterwards, so maybe his pod was moved from the location that we know, and maybe Gero never programed Cell to know about 16, because what would be the point? 16 was Gero's failure, so there would be no reason to let Cell, or anyone else know about it. So because of all of that, I say 16 does exist in Trunks' timeline.
Kool Keith Productions when Gero said he was going to rework Android 16 when the other two asked him why he kept him around i had a feeling that Gero might of kept him just in case Cell was a failure as since 16 was as strong as first form cell and quickly overpowered him and not only that but as you said 16 was not known to Cell so yea i beleave 16 would have become a assassin Android but only to destroy Cell if he was a failure.
+MasterAnime97 +Abdul Quddys Abraar
There were androids 1-15, they were just never shown in the anime.
Honestly I feel the Cell part can't really be used as evidence. Mainly because Cell only needed to know about 17 and 18 because they were contained the biology he needed to become Perfect. Also knowing Dr.Gero based 16 off his dead son and made him gentle to stop his possible destruction. It makes since Cell wouldn't know about him, knowing Cell's personality he'd just destroy 16 if he knew 16 was ANYWHERE near his power
Wouldnt it be awesome if #16 and future trunks were crime partners?
16s number does indicate the order in which he was created by gero, but not by toriyama
the reason cell doesn't know about him is because he wasn't suppose to know, he was a failed project and got scrapped. and he had no use for him. saying that he should know about him is like saying that he knows about android 8 from the dragon ball saga. the cell we saw came from the 3rd timeline, so he saw the lab destroyed in that timeline, which the container with him could've been destroyed. the cell from trunk's timeline was killed pretty fast so he could've obsorbed him but it ain't do nothing but nothing says that that cell didn't know about 16 in that future, since trunks didn't know about Gero's lab.
Is this really a question? lol Qaaman is better than this. 16 was made in the past. Cell not knowing is a pretty weak argument and 16 is simply Gero's secret, as obviously shown.
I'm disproving the fan theory bro. Why are you putting this on me? LOL
The fact that this video exists right now is weird imo, probably should've passed on this theory. Just my two cents
I think 16 probably remained as an unfinished skeleton originally, after gero had abandoned pure robotics to make the cyborg types of 17 and 18. I think it was only after 17 and 18 gave him problems and after he created 19 which he viewed as his perfect servant would gero return to the unfinished 16 and in his free time work on him in the image of his son.
Nice video!
If you think about, it could have been that no other androids have been programmed with the knowledge of 16s existence, 17 and 18 also didn't know about 16.
in the manga and anime 17 and 18 are suprised to see gero as an androind. so 17 and 18 did get made first
I guess that Gero never gave Cell any knowledge about No.16 because he didn't wanted Cell to kill him and never thought he was going to get awakened in the first place.
What if 17 and 18 destroyed Doctor Gero's lab and 16 (who would be offline in his pod) along with it when the rebelled against Gero?
Cell would be down in the basement protected from being destroyed from their outburst and 16 being destroyed in this hypothetical scenario would explain why Cell doesn't know about 16.
The real question is why is 16 so strong compared to the others when he is an earlier model? Why didn't Gero just use 16 to kill Goku rather than 17, 18 or 19? I know he is quite passive but he still would kill Goku just not the other Z fighters.
The divergence in timelines could also be from cell himself, since the time machine he came in was there a year before Trunks first traveled back to defeat Frieza and warn Goku of the androids.
About fucking time Quale man!
is it possible to consider that gero only programmed cell to know of 17 and 18 because they were needed for his perfection?
Well, Cell didnt have knowledge of android 16 for the most part. He somehow was under the impression his "neural link" was in his neck, but was wrong. It had been changed, but was revealed to have been there before. Cell did not know who android 18 and 17 were though. He stated "its weird, its almost like i have seen them before..." Meaning he was given some data, at least as far as to recognize them upon seeing them, but not enough to actually know what they look like. And "completely clueless" is a far off statement, because he saw the RR symbol and said "that must be one of Geros older, less efficient models"
Cell's lack of knowledge could be explained off as DR Gero decided that he was pained by the fact that he had failed in recreating him, so he wanted that android wiped from existence including memory.
I say he was created in case 16 and 17 got out of control, but still, Gero quoted that if they released him, we all will be doomed. So the next thought un mind is what purpose was he suppose to serve other than destroying Goku, seeing that he was clearly stronger than 17 and 18, but weaker than Cell after his acquisitions?
This didn't show up in my box I'm really happy I checked your channel
Yes FINALLY
Android 16 was created due to Trunks traveling back in time
Imma check out that Trunks / Android 16 manga
Android 16 persisted only in the main timeline, because the Z fighters pushed Gero's hand, before Goku died of the heart-virus. Gero always showed a lack of control over his androids and 16 was no different, but in the future Trunks timeline, Gero destroyed all his androids except himself and 17/18. Gero's plan after killing Goku, was to replace humans with duplicate androids that were under his control. 17/18's artificial cells, were a means to that end. This is why they are referred to as Androids and not Cyborgs, because the intent was for the artificial cells to duplicate the regular cells, so the biology could be removed, leaving a perfect android duplicate.
fact is the future is nothing but an illusion of whats gonna happen and whats not gonna happen. the present can always change the future. in other words, the future always lie
cell in the present time line came from a different timeline, maybe android 16 wasnt killed in the trunks time line, or even born. its possible 16 is from this time line is the only one that exsists. Also it could explain trunks getting the present timeline androids the wrong number
Great video...:)
Gero created 16 specifically to kill Goku. In the future, Goku had already died from the heart virus, making 16's purpose irrelevant. It's very likely that once Gero heard about Goku's death, he put 16 in storage, and he didn't feel the need to include anything about 16 in Cell's memory.
I have always thought that androids 16's gentle personality was enough of a force to effect androids 17 and 18 so they weren't completely evil like in trunks time line... You might ask how? Even saying that 16 wasnt with 17 and 18 enough to actually have a big influence, however, I would argue him just being there was enough, think bioshock or butterfly theory(yes i understand those comparisons are not the best but you get the point)
trunks didn't cause 16 being in the show. cell did. he was there a year before trunks, and Kami sensed it. Kamis feeling caused a butterfly effect that caused 26. 16 was most likely made before 17 and 18, but was scrapped in the future for some reason. If it was Dr. Geros son, he probably kept him out of cells records for sentimental reasons. Kamis sensing cell most likely caused a butterfly effect that caused Gero not to destroy 16, and continue tweaking his personality
I think 16 was just never intended to be released, if you are saying 16 is his son, then could it be possible that his affection for him caused him to never complete him, because he wanted his son to be perfect? But because of Trunks altering the Main Timeline, it led to the activation of 16? I think that may also be why Cell never knew about him, 16 was personal, why let anything know, even another one of your creations?
you didnt answer anything?
Other then saying no because we have no real idea if he was built, I think it's possible that Android 16 was built but 17 and 18 just didn't release him. The Androids are a lot more arrogant as well as powerful in the future, and they would be too cocky and not bother releasing him because they didn't need him.
great video
Alright, an explanation for why Android 16 may only exist in the "main" timeline; the bugs that collect Cell's data would've seen Frieza's death. Thus, Doctor Gero would see a mysterious golden-haired fighter. He's not sure who this is, all he knows is "OK, there's someone strong along with Goku and his friends. I may need to work more on my androids to deal with this." It'd explain both why Android 16 exists in the main timeline(his schedule wouldn't have been altered in Trunks' timeline) and why 17 and 18 are stronger in the main timeline.
I think that Android 16 was in the future because if he was made because his son died in the red ribbon army then he must've been made regardless because its still the same timeline and it happened way before trunks even came back in the first place and cell didn't have to know the plans of who 16 even was because it wasn't really important to him
16 may of been scrapped and wasn't bothered knowing about and in present something got Gero working on him more
may have*
Can you make a theory video on the 4th time line made by the Future Trunk/ Android saga? the 4th being the one created when the Future Trunks we know in the series killed his timeline's Cell stopping him from going back in time.
Hey Qaaman long time no see how are you doing have you finally started Game of Thrones
Episode 5
that's great keep watching because you will be amazed
Hay qaaman can you do a Theory / predictions on what if Goten was one year older in the future Trunks timeline and how would his impact help Gohan and trunks
What about the butte fly effect explained in dragon Ball super? Could this potentially change the entire argument?
Interesting theory!
omg a non q&a i love you so much right now qaaman i love when you tackle a single subject with a video this is great i wish it happened more please fuck me
I did watched Dragon Ball Multiverse where Gohan meet Future Trunk by his side was Android 16 so why are they together if he was not built in the future? In the present time line, 16 already completely destroyed by Perfect Cell.
16 was probably scraped once Goku dies in the future timeline. Gero only continued to work on 16 in the current time line because Goku was still alive. 16 was considerably stronger then 17 and 18 and was probably insurance to kill Goku if they were unable to.
I thought that it was more of 16 was a frailer so he was scraped in both futers BUT when trunks showed up he showed goku and the squad cyborg 20 and android 19 so he was not able to scrap 16 this is why he calls him a frailer and why he's not in the futures and it also explains why cell doesn't know him
I think we're missing an important piece of information to tell for sure. That information is, when did Gero's son die? If he died before Cell went back in time then 16 would also very likely have been created in the future. If his son died after Cell went back in time then it's possible that there's only one 16 as where Cell arrived is where the once identical timelines went in two different outcomes from then onward. So until we find one whether or not Gero's son died before or after the very first contact from the future where there's one or two android 16's is still up for debate. Cell's word just isn't enough for me.
I discussed that but what your saying is based on possibility. The point of the video was to say there really is a lack of evidence to support the fan theory whereas there is more evidence to contradict it
What if 16 helped Trunks kill 18 & 17 because they were destroying what he loved? And Trunks isn't apart of Goku so 16 wouldn't have a problem.