Archaeologist SHREDS "Consensus" on Torah
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Yonatan Adler, Ph.D (Book):
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The Origins of Judaism: An Archaeological-Historical Reappraisal (The Anchor Yale Bible Reference Library)
Yonatan Adler, Ph.D (Academia):
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Prof. Yonatan Adler is an Associate Professor in Archaeology at Ariel University in Israel, where he also heads the Institute of Archaeology. In 2019-2020, he held the appointment of Horace W. Goldsmith Visiting Associate Professor in Judaic Studies at Yale University.
Adler specializes in the origins of Judaism as a system of ritual practices, and in the evolution these practices over the long-term. His research in recent years has focused on ritual purity observance evidenced in the archaeological remains of chalk vessels and immersion pools. He has also researched and published extensively on ancient tefillin (phylacteries) from Qumran and elsewhere in the Judean Desert.
He has directed excavations at several sites throughout Israel, most recently at ‘Einot Amitai and at Reina, two sites in Galilee where Roman-era chalk vessel workshops have been unearthed.
Adler was appointed in 2018 by the Minister of Culture to serve as a member of the Israeli Council for Archaeology.
Adler's book, entitled: 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐎𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐉𝐮𝐝𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐦: 𝐀𝐧 𝐀𝐫𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐞𝐨𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥-𝐇𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐚𝐥, published with Yale University Press in November, 2022.
Throughout much of history, the Jewish way of life has been characterized by strict adherence to the practices and prohibitions legislated by the Torah: dietary laws, ritual purity, circumcision, Sabbath regulations, holidays, and more. But precisely when did this unique way of life first emerge, and why specifically at that time?
In this revolutionary new study, Yonatan Adler methodically engages ancient texts and archaeological discoveries to reveal the earliest evidence of Torah observance among ordinary Judeans. He examines the species of animal bones in ancient rubbish heaps, the prevalence of purification pools and chalk vessels in Judean settlements, the dating of figural representations in decorative and functional arts, evidence of such practices as tefillin and mezuzot, and much more to reconstruct when ancient Judean society first adopted the Torah as authoritative law.
Focusing on the lived experience of the earliest Torah observers, this investigative study transforms much of what we thought we knew about the genesis and early development of Judaism.
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Yonatan Adler, Ph.D (Book):
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The Origins of Judaism: An Archaeological-Historical Reappraisal (The Anchor Yale Bible Reference Library)
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You can't say that. They haven't even finished their 'Third Temple' shtick, yet? This'll fuck everything up. You tryna destroy Christianity and Judaism in one fell swoop? Are elite unknown occultic antiquititists and classists, behind this move, then? Boy! I thought 'flat earth' was the 'Red pill', now I gotta deal with this shit?
A plethora of profound Time Stamps in this video, I'm having difficultly picking just one.
Yonatan Adler makes an obvious distinction of practicing Judaism, versus how old are the Jewish people who believed in Yahweh("When did the first Jewish people appear"). The latter question goes back to the Iron Age as he has said in other videos, and hints at here.
It's a great book, highly recommended!
@@pauladee6937I can make this easier lol mud flood is crazy
When I hear a claim of that sort ... About when a biblical text is written... the first thing I'm going to ask is, "how do you know that? And the answer has to be compelling. It can't be, 'Well, scholarly consensus is..."
From these words hath there been a joyous waking and quaking in mine pantaloon.
Hey He Laughs, I loved when he said it and you repeated it! And then "The Proof of Elephantina. = fact is the Jewish people were Not mentioned when it was written.
He stole that from Dr. Bowen.
When you find a truth it shouldn't matter whom discovered it originally. Truth is truth fact is fact...
Russell Gmirkin goes into detail of how we know the Pentateuch was written around 270 BCE. It is all based on earlier myths and is not as old as we were traditionally taught. The very language used in the Pent. indicates when it was written. Just as we use different everyday than our grandparents did this has always been true. Language is dynamic and changes from one generation to another. My grandsons use lingo I have never used. Ever try reading Old English? It might as well be Danish! That is a very reliable way for linguists to date when things were written.
Lol the culture never existed. It was manufactured as A mcguffin of control.
Dr Adler is brilliant. I love what he says about looking at the lives and concerns of ordinary people. Solid.
I believe we had a 1000 years added to the time line mud flood. E every thing got covered after the wicked one got out of his chains
Check out mud flood makes sense.
I do have an answer to why people haven't cared about ordinary people. Because both scholars and the scribes, for over a thousand years, were either aristocratic or elitist, and saw the world through those lenses. The deuteronomistic history clearly associates the fate of the entire kingdom with the behavior of the king, not of the population. The exceptions (say, Isaiah) were actually pretty upfront about how much "idolatry" was happening.
with roughly 90% of the world still claiming a faith, i cant help but state that this content is largely lost upon people. The fact that it even needs to exist, means that this content is lost upon people. I was 8 years old listening to adults talk about the bible, and i realized even then how laughable it was to think that you would be handed a book by a power broker who claims to have the answers to the universe. If you're an adult that is still clinging to an organized religion (and actually believing it), I have hope for you but little faith that you will ever actually understand what it means to drop your idols. Theres types of people in this world; if you're the type that can be fooled so insanely easy, you need to accept that detective is not your role in this life... and thats 9 out of 10 people. 9 out of 10 of you will only ever understand what is handed to you on a platter, a platter that is labeled "science/religion"
@@JackDawf only bodies/remains exumed in isreal were of african lineage....zero relation to khazars who didnt convert till 5-600 a.d....but they kept paganistic khazar myth n blended the 2
Consensus is no indicator of correctness, yes 200 million people can be wrong.
@@skippy180864 Consensus is a red flag that illuminates our ignorance.
And one person can be wrong. What is your point.
A better observation would be that you cannot find two Christians who agree on anything. It's literally a Mystery Cult of Make believe
And we murder people over it ..
For hundreds of years, the British minted coins featuring the British monarchs for use in Ireland. The guys with the most guns or swords usually get to write history and print the money.
he who has the gold calls the tunes
Israel was independent for a very long time. Solomon was the richest king on earth at one point. This small kingdom was famous all around the Meditteranean and accepted pilgrims from at least as far as Yemen and Ethiopia.
Jews didnt have most money or guns, and minted coins in their rebellion against Rome.
In the holocaust Jews printed their own money. I used to have some.
@@mattnewhouse1781 Conquest/domination is about POWER over others.
It can be done with resources like water or food supply. It can be done with fists, swords and guns.
But for LOGISTICS and COST (of implementation over tens or THOUSANDS of years),
>>>> IDEOLOGY
Dr. Yonatan Adler's work is truly fascinating! His research on how common folks practiced Judaism, intertwined with the dating of Biblical traditions, is bound to provoke some serious skepticism. The prevailing view among critical scholars seems to be that these traditions, practices, laws, and characters were primarily the domain of a minority of elite priests and scribes most likely oral, unknown to the majority of common folks. Interestingly, there's no current epigraphic or archaeological evidence that verifies these writings existed before the Hellenistic period.
Neal and I often find ourselves in hot water with other scholars due to our radical perspective. We propose that many of these characters, practices, and laws-such as those concerning Moses and Abraham-might have been written down or even invented around the 4th century BCE. In contrast, other academics argue that the prophetic writings suggest these characters and traditions date back to the 8th through 5th centuries BCE.
While we may never uncover the absolute truth of this matter, it’s a thrilling exploration to consider: what if Moses was completely invented sometime in the 4th century BCE? The implications are both fun and profound!
It is inevitable that the entire discussion is going back to the 20 days and 36 deccans which are global and obviously used as the template for the entire thing mixed with the mythology as filler. It is just a matter of time. People simply do not know this basic stuff, because the church was diligent and thorough in their destruction. Genesis and Exodus are not only examples of the 20 days and 36 deccans, they absolutely contain verbatim entries from the I-Ching descriptors. Hexagram 5 vs Gen 18. It goes all through the NT also. The precision is such that, the thematic content of any chapter can be predicted.
Stop your chiIdish youtuber gibberish and focus on the facts, from a serious point of view, just like Neal does it. You've "canceIIed" me from your channel over a year ago from proposing exactly the same thing that Yonatan Adler is saying. You lack of all coherence and are here for the youtube likes and views.
@@pedrosaborido9648 If you want to know more about Yale and what knowledge they NEVER release, check out "Three Identical Strangers". The events in that are facts verified over and over. That is Yale. Then you can ask, why they did it, and why they seta date 60 years into the future as the release date for that information. I am not alone, but may be the only vocal person on the topic. I have loyalties or affiliations.
Your perspectives are only "radical" because intellectual dishonesty is the norm and Truth is seen as an offense to people's cherished delusions!
eveyrhitng you just said is opinons based off emotion. We know know moses was written around the year 1500 BC!
Immersion baths in ancient Greece date to early 5th century BCE. This practice may have been adapted from Hellenistic culture, then placed into the Torah to bestow rabbinic approval.
That is not the point in question. The torah has anally specific instructions on how to ritually cleanse oneself with full-body immersion. This resulted in a unique architecture for ritual pools that only Jews built. Greeks, Hindus, and a heck of a lot of other neighboring cultures did have similar ritual immersion traditions, but none of them ended up with the specific architectural design of the Jewish purification pool. No archaeological dig has ever found a mikveh structure in a purely Greek city anywhere.
@@andrewsuryali8540 Point: ritual baths were used elsewhere. No one people cornered the market on such ideas.
Israelites was Cretans imo, not ar-iranians. Ham is Saturn. The star of David is originally the star of Saturn.
Thermal pools and Serpent Temples are one and the same
The earliest form of Medicine, as attested by John the Baptist when he was bitten
It's Serpents all the way down
Didn’t the Hindu culture, the Egyptian culture and the Greek and Roman cultures also have baths and rituals!
lol sure did…. Much older too… don’t tell that to the Jews though! 😆
@@firstlast2762but but but I’m a atheist liberal jew. Trust me.
@@Abbale 🤯😆
@@Abbale
Isn't that a pseudonym for extreme conservative zionist?🤔
"Baths" are a terrible differentiator. The location of pig bones in relation to the elites' areas, and where their food animals were raised, and their middens, is a better metric. If you focus on baths, you're being distracted by a "red herring". Speaking of which... shellfish is another indicator, for settlements close to the coast. You even can see settlements where the people on the outskirts continued to consume these non-kosher foods, but those disappear from the central areas of town. So, perhaps these Torah laws were reserved for the "important" families, or maybe the Jews they employed (or had slaves) from non-Jewish culture, or "ordinary people".
This is absolute gold, Neal. You are a really wonderful interviewer. How exciting to be watching a real turning point in 'history'. And it was SO fun to see Ammon's delight and enthusiasm shared with you later. Dr Adler's book is on my shopping list, now. He's got such a great attitude about all this potentially extremely contentious material, and we need the intrepid courage of all of you guys so much, right now. It's an absolute delight to share all this with others!
Nothing today comes close to Homer even today. Soldiers experienced PTSD in war , is Homer's accounts of soldiers experiences has only been discovered in the 1980s, which is what Homer was describing
You are rapidly becoming one of my favorite RUclipsrs
@@test-ol9iy Who? Our grandparents?
@@test-ol9iy My grandparents were victims of WW2, as well as many of my other relatives that didn't survive. They fled Russia specifically because of the German invasion in 1941. Their information about the war came from their personal experiences with it.
All the middle eastern myths are descended from older myths, which in turn, are descended from yet older myths, and so on - back from long before the Sumerians invented writing. Unfortunately, the ability to tell poetry from prose is lost for a lot of us.
No, it's simply the intellectual abuse of children and the weak minded by accepted and prevailing cultural norms.
Mostly true, except you fail to recognize the glaring obvious...these stories were NOT originally based on myths. The myths are what the historical knowledge decayed into.
Anyone who can look at the Great Pyramid and believe the ancients were just making shit up is suffering the worst kind of cognitive dissonance...which leads to denial (and, denial is not a river in Egypt).
@@-WiseGuy- How'd ya know, were ya thah?
@@imwelshjesus were you?
@@-WiseGuy-myth or not? true or not? they lived that myth/truth it was real to them, many incredible thinkers still studied today came from them not to mention the amazing structures they built, the world we live in now has been inherited from them...I believe those who rule world 😂wide no matter where or who they are, still represent those, they may live in different parts of the world now but they still practice in secret or not those old myths/truths.
Imagine being so intimidated, you say on camera that historical facts are less important.
Imagine claiming to have historical facts when the Academic Consensus is your Narrative is a complete Bust
Stories can have negative value, especially when people believe them to be absolute truth. This is why one can watch horror movies, action movies, etc, and not be negatively affected by them. On the other hand, stories, particularly when believed to be true, can reinforce negative behavior and philosophy as they become part of your identity.
Product placement and ads work even if you don't believe in them... so, I'd assume cultural information gets transmitted thru stories that you believe to be fiction, as well as thru nonfiction stories.
@GizzyDillespee
Ads work through various mechanisms. An important one is branding and trust in a brand, the brand's quality, the social status the brand carries, etc. So yes, ads are very much tied to "belief." The more a person believes, or trusts, in a brand, the more it can affect, or tie into, their internal identity. This is why negative press about a company or product can be so damaging, even to the point of sparking protest. People's identities are shaken, and they feel violated in some way.
An ad may use fiction to say something about the product, but it very much is intended to affect your belief in the product or brand.
There are also class action lawsuits for false advertising. When advertisers exaggerate or lie about their product, people are fooled into making a purchase because they believe the advertisers.
An interesting case is of the fictional work "Slender Man," and the stabbing took place in 2014 by two teenage girls due to their belief in the fictional character and that the act would please him.
Fictional narratives can affect culture to a degree, but I don't think it's to the same extent as when when people believe it to be true. Examples might be Star Wars, card games, etc. People gather and participate in large conventions where they sometimes dress up and may even form rivalries with fans of other fictional works, Marvel vs. DC comics, for example. I can't think of too many cases where people became openly violent over something they understood to be fictional, or at the very least had doubts about the reality of a story.
Absolutely agree. Especially when it comes to topics such as the "Divine's Chosen" that can give such people a complex of superiority over all other peoples.
Absolutely agree 💯 Percent, especially when the stories angelize one group of people and demonize another group of people thus condoning whatever hatred, bad behavior, and crimes and atrocities the first group may choose to inflict on the second.
exactly
Not a topic I thought I might be intersted in. Now, I ordered the book. Yonatan Adler is a great erudite and experienced guest. I'm equally impressed with you, the host. You're well prepared and extremely knowledgeable. Far beyond your own claim of merely being an amateur.... Subscribed!
*You run a great channel, Neal. It is a great inspiration for my own!*
yes, he is better and better with his guests and his knowledge, questions. I like he is not aiming to recall some senzation, scandal but professionally lead the discussion with his guest-specialist.
Who wants to be the scholar to say the Torah was just a big retcon to invent a historical backstory.
Spoiler alert. All religious stories, beliefs today etc are summaries of the Sumerian, Babylonian, Syrian and Akkadian stories.
Why is Egyptian conspicuously absent from your list?
Semitic ones, anyway.
@@tracyeaves4847 buddhists would disagree
Unfortunately no one knows the truth. All ancient writings are copied and added to. Everything is a belief!! Probably the outer planet persons know what everyone is talking about??
So, what myth/srories came first?
African, Aryan, Hindu, or Sumerian?
Enjoyable right through! I do love that this man has an interest in the lives of ordinary people and in his investigation keeps what material exists and stays with that focus rather than entering the world of conjecture. Completely appreciate his integrity to clarify what is not able to be known for not having related material.
Absolutely brilliant. I too absolutely love the biblical texts more through the eyes of archaeology and historical fact. Theology is stifling the beauty of the words written & all they have to offer, which breaks my heart.
Absolutely correct. There is a huge distinction between stories and history.
Time stamps please my man!
Mind blown.
Seriously.
How on earth is all this only being dragged out into the light now?!
Let me get that book right quick!
Thanks guys ∆
Do! It's great!
@@longshotkdb go for it!
If one even takes a cursory glance at earlier religious practices, one cannot help but come to the conclusion that Judaism was shaped by Caananite/Phoenician culture, secondly by Sumerian legends, third by Egyptian religous theology and lastly by Greeks who moved into the region during the 4th century. That said, none of this really matters to anyone other than Evangelical "solo scriptura" Protestants.
All mythologies are that way. It's not just Judaism.
@VIIStar If anything, a living God has a living theology which provides a mythos appropriate for the times. At some point, the Orthodox simply became frustrated with bishops who were constantly arguing over the "authenticity" of their world views.
Well, & Orthodox Jews LOL
@@Jumpoable True, good point.
Except the Torah makes it clear that the Israelites distinguished themselves from the people around, even as far as circumcision. They had distinct and strict laws that differed from everyone. They couldnt have interfaith marriage or even international marriage. The most they would do is trade and accept pilgrims. When the people disobeyed, God would punish them. So for an isolationist, theocratic society you would expect originality and distinctness.
🤗This was such an educational discussion. Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us.💯
Big props due Dr. Adler's book. He makes clear the difference between 'intellectual history' and 'social history'. Folks have ideas, but at what point are those ideas imbibed on a wide scale (29:27-31;13)? Praise @DrKippDavis for recommending the book on one of his livestreams. It was a very worthy read!
Absolutely fascinating. Truly paradigm shifting. The evidence here (as well as the lack of evidence for certain claims people make) is astonishing. Look forward to the next one! Keep up the great work!
the regular people didn't know anything about the texts because they weren't available at the bookstore, because bookstores didn't exist, and only the controlling class had them -- so of course it makes NO sense to have any expectations that 'regular folk' would even know about these things potentially
Knowing about them and observing them vs reading them aren’t the same things. The point of the question was: were everyday people living their lives as though the Torah was law
"because bookstores didnt exist" very academic observation
@@etyrnal kudos friend exactly what I was thinking 💭
The regular people were highly literate and had access to the law in temples. They would be read the law every sabbath, every holiday, and the kings wouod inform them of their oblogations. People recited stories and would know the exploits of their forefathers better than tribal people. You would think this would be reflected archaeologically.
@@zztopz7090 why do we not see literature from these HIGHLY literate regular everyday people? if they are so "highly literate"
Neal, this is fantastic! I absolutely love it. That Athena coin!!!
Kicckin Asss' Takin Names, Dates and Then the Athena Coin!!! Thanks Neal for your guest!
He has some very good points and his information is accurate. The slight issue at play is that most modern scholars don't think the Torah as we know it was completed by or before 700bce; they actually say that it was completed between 450-165bce, according on which group is asked. However, there is clear, hard evidence that the Torah as a work began way before it was completed. So what's being discussed is not when was the Torah written; it's when was the Torah completed and widely followed. Of course there's less evidence the further back one goes because the work wasn't complete, the tribe was smaller, and the practices either weren't carried out the same way or not widespread enough to get noticed and documented by other nations. That doesn't really mean that there wasn't a Torah and nobody was following those laws.
No but it doesn't mean that it existed and anyone was following it either. That's why you have to look at other hard evidence. Which tends to point toward the absence.
@@MrBottlecapBillwhat hard evidence? He's saying there's no evidence beyond 2nd-3rd century... How did the Greeks translate it in the middle of the 3rd century if it didn't exist until then? By that time the area had been conquered at least 6 times; each time the culture was essentially eradicated and replaced. The presence of coins and practices of a conquering empire don't mean that something else didn't exist there before or during that time. The people claiming it existed 7000bc or 1500bc or anything like that are wrong. People saying it didn't exist until 200-300bc are also wrong.
@@MrBottlecapBill the hard evidence is that the Hebrew texts were translated to Greek in the middle of the 3rd century. They must have existed and been observed before that time, otherwise they wouldn't exist or be well known enough to be translated in the first place. Finding Greek or Roman coins and memorabilia isn't proof of anything other than the fact that the area was conquered.
Clever obfuscation
The fact is the Archeological evidence does not support this claim. Nothing does; because you're interpreting astrological allegory as a literal truth, having no concept of what is actually being said
Ergo the initial presupposition is proven false by the absence of evidence, not a legitimate academic case
@@vitogriffin8902 presuppositions
You forget what was happening in the ME at that time
Have you heard of Alexander the Great?
Keep up the good work Neal; love every video, and you're a huge inspiration!
Thank you so much for not interrupting your guest! Awesome video love the channel!
I'm a huge fan of Neil. I don't understand why you tread softly on these folks with their rabbinic cultural programming. Why didn't you ask him about the Hellenistic influences from the 4th century BC to the first century AD? Clearly religion is a tool of rulers to develop empire cohesion. Look at Ashoka around the same time. The edicts of Ashoka are an example. He didn't want anybody to forget them that's why he carved them in stone. There's no mention of drugs. What was the evidence for drugs in the archeology?
So this is true but there was a counter to hellenism wich in turn was countered back early and continued then continued again by hilter, Stalin, Franco ext. We are about to see if a full counter will come to effect ...real real I'm talking real soon.
Barnea and Adler crush the competition. Thanks for another great interview.
Great interview! I learned a lot! Thank you both.
Great guest! Thank you 🙏
With Kipp Davis's claim archaeologists and classicist historians should stay out of Old and New Testament scholarship, he will lose his nut over this.
Great video.
37:12 - On the temple in Elephantine and the strict law of only one temple: It appears to me that this rule most likely meant that any other temple had to operate like a franchise of the main temple in Jerusalem, not that other temples weren't allowed at all. After all, since the temple basically had the function of a slaughterhouse and financed itself that way, there must have been a strong pressure to have local branches. If the main temple had not had any branches, it would have been in a far worse position to enforce its monopoly.
The prohibition of pigs also makes a lot of sense if you think about the temple in economic terms. Pork was lower-class food that the priests didn't want to eat. They were not interested in getting their share of slaughtered pigs, so they didn't want to slaughter pigs. The prohibition of eating pork was likely originally targeted to those who could afford other meat, and not meant to be absolute for the poor as well.
52:10 - What does it mean for the Torah to exist? Who needs to know about it? - While the position that what most people know is what matters is certainly valid, extremely important, and underrepresented in scholarship, I think the other position definitely has some value as well. Just think of the Mandaeans. In many ways, Mandaeanism is an independent branch of Judaism tracing itself back to John the Baptist, which we may tentatively call the Nasoreans. (And Christianity likely either developed out of the Nasoreans, or at least took over Nasorean communities. Christians are still essentially called Nasoreans in various semitic languages (e.g. Nozrim in Hebrew), and the birth story linking Jesus to Nazareth was likely an attempt to obscure this.) Now among the Mandaeans, most details of the religion have always been known only to the priests. Which is why they were mostly lost when in the 19th century all Mandaean priests died in a cholera epidemic. When studying the Mandaeans, it is obviously extremely important to know this and take it into account. But on the other hand, the secret teachings known only to the priests are still of enormous importance for understanding certain aspects of the religion. - One can wonder whether there was a similar stage in the past of mainstream Judaism, and if so, whether it involved the Torah.
Agricultural and pastoral have nothing to do with the ban on mixed fabrics. Only the priest class were permitted to wear that combination.
Ammon was right. LMAO
Awesome! Dr. Adler's book is a great read, very interesting!
37:32 objection: Jerusalem is not specified in Chumash at all. Its is only refered to as „the place that i will chose“. Under David it was developed only.
Adler's book is one of the best to date - very helpful for anyone investigating the Bible at all. It's useful for all. I would also highly recommend The Bible Unearthed, by Finkelstein and Silverman, as well as "The Valediction of Moses" by Dershowitz. Thanks so much for having this guest on your show! Onediscipletoanother
Neil, I’m always impressed with the quality of your guests and the content you bring us on a regular basis. Good shit sir
Harrapa has ritual bathing too.
It is not uniquely jewish.
Ritual cleanlisness comes from laws of Manu.
He's not making the claim that the Hebrews invented ritual bathing. He's making the Hebrews practiced ritual bathing as a Torah based practice. So he uses it as evidence for when Torah adherence begins.
@@baarbacoa My point is that the laws of purification of the Shemites actually stem from the laws of Manu.
@@baarbacoathat isn’t how that works. Torah must of existed because look at these immersion baths.
@@IXXILordFibonacciIXXIhow woud a tribe of semites know about the rules of a civilization thousands of kilometers away from them??
@@diansc7322 Semites are Shemites and Shem is Sharma of India.
Exploring belief origins and flow thru community/ avg person seems common sense. Curious why so few have done this.
Bro at this point just have Robert Sepehr on the show
I can hear the ukulele playing already
He is a Disinformation agent
A Nazi shill
To a population with a 1% literacy rate, reading and writing would be seen as God like
Thanks Gnostic, I go to your channel when I want to hear well argued viewpoints based on reason that aren't afraid to challenge the stale academic consensus
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Strawman arguments are fun
But you're the one claiming it is all true, and proven
When the empirical data doesn't even come close to supporting your claims
Which begs the question
How do you claim to believe a story you can't explain or validate
It's like worshipping Donald Duck based on a Toy you dug up
Josephus is cause for suspicion. I recommend reading Anatoly Fomenko's "History; Fiction or Science?".
Most Jews I know are totally fine with moses being a myth. Most of them are surprised when I mention it, but when I note why most people think Moses didn't exist, they generally accept it just fine. But then again, I'm an ethnically Jewish atheist and most of the Jews I speak to are not all that religious.
Its very abnormal to teach these things as fact. Theres people committed to literal interpretation, but thats an extremely small group of people. You're instructed to question it and and never blindly accept anything. Is Moses one man, is ot one family line, is it a group of people, is it entirely fiction? Who cares, whats the the information they wanted us to get out of it. This is oversimplified, but the point is youre correct and its more then a common view.
True. All that matters is the midrashic doctrine of supremacy and genocide of all non-jews
Definitely won't be a common response amongst orthodox
@@tbishop4961 it is. Literal interpretation isnt a jewish way of think outside tiny, shrinking, groups. People project the strictness of some forms of catholicism on it. "Our thing works like this, so everyone elese must work the same." Nope.
How do you feel about Benjamins cabinet and how much control they have over America? Especially with the Maga Armageddon believers.
Imagine applying Dr. Yadler's criteria of applying Material culture for the average person to Christianity instead of the pretend game of 7 authentic Pauline letters in their 'unity' and 'scholarly' dating of the gospels and doing 'history' in place of the text's stories.
Brilliant insight and careful language from Dr. Yadler.
It sounds like this scholar has a scientific approach which is so needed over arguments like “we know it is true because they include details they wouldn’t lie about” (I am speaking of the esteemed Dr. Bart Ehrman who is way smarter than I).
The elephantine Jews were communicating with high priests in Jerusalem meaning the customs in elephantine were that of Jerusalem
More top notch stuff as usual!
I’m intrigued by the idea that Judaism may be a product of the Hasmonean period.. I can’t help but thinking there is a connection between the Hasmonean kings and the Parthian rulers of Persia… Hyrcanus are named for Hyrcania… the Parthian homeland. The Parthians are also thought of as having played a role in the spread of Roman Mithraism. They were experts in using religion for psycho-social warfare
Videos Always anticipated !!!
Benjamin Meleikowsky
I’ve heard Every single Israeli PM has changed their last name to sound middle eastern
Your work is always engaging and terrific. This episode is among your best. Wow. Thank you!
Yonatan Adler attained Smicha (equivalent of ordination ) as a rabbi from the Israel Rabbinate, in 2001. To me that adds a new dimension to the discussion.
Just make up words and demand everyone take you seriously 😂
So the Temple in Elaphantine was modeled and looked like the Temple in Jerusalem and they brought burnt offerings, frakincense, etc...Doesnt that clearly demonstrate that they had the intricate knowledge of Torah?
No….This is where the dating that scholars love to do with saying Dead Sea scroll fragments was way before the Greek. The Hebrew texts were found along side Greek manuscripts. Scholars claim look we finally found Hebrew manuscripts now we can backdate ever further lol sorry personally I don’t buy it. There is massive money to gain by claiming it came first. Christianity would collapse. Seminary is ran by the same people who sell the lie.
It demonstrates that things happened
It doesn't prove that your version did
This is key to understanding history, and if you understand what Dr. Adler is saying, you will have the toolset to approach biblical scholarship with a clear head.
Finkelstein presents good arguments for when parts of the Bible were written (or at least which traditions went back to reasonable historical memories, which as studies of oral tradition demonstrates, cannot be far removed from the time of putting it into writing to remain historically verifiable) e.g. the early David cycle makes sense when Gat of the Philistines was powerful between a small period of time until the 900s or whatever it was, and never afterwads. Plus it does not contain late monarchic anachronisms like in other parts, putting locations that only existed from the 700's or 600's onwards back into the time of Joshua or before. And all of these can be demonstrated archaeologically.
Abraham: ab=father (Saturn), Ra= Sun, ham= hommunculus (E-din). L. A. Waddell, self.❤
I can’t wait for people to find a Dr Seuss book in 2000 years and start worshipping a Cat in a hat 😂 it’s pretty much where we are today with the Bible.
At one time they was an attempt tried to ban the text's relating to the cat in the hat cult.
@@BLG80 The Cat is quite prophetic! ✌️😆
didnt egyptians worship cats lol
I've had the exact same thought, cat in the hat! we're headed to be crazy cat worshippers in 2000yrs 😅😂 great minds think alike! Why has no one sat down and actually worked this shit out 100% as best we can, not the trollop of information and misinformation out there. Love Dr Hillman 2 , ground breaking.
That’s a dumb joke
Kicckin Asss and Takin Names, Dates and Athena Coins!!! Thanks Neal for your guest!
You gotta post about Dionysus in the opening ceremony of the Olympics.S’il vous plait ❤😊
Yeah what a fantastic satanic tribute with Baal included right on the stage and even a man with one of his testicles hanging out of his pants!!!
What I can’t understand is how are stories more important than History? So if my great great grandfather told a war story and we passed it down and it was a later proven a lie.. i would be embarrassed for passing down a lie rather than the truth. Stories are why we are on this journey of looking for the historical facts because to many stories have been told and passed down while erasing history.
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About 3 months ago I came to the conclusion that keeping an open mind to listen and process information on history, including the bible which does have Universal laws and way to live good and considerate of life, that I will only follow by learning, rather than blindly following any cult/religion, moving around stating I am a believer woe! mind gone? that is not the way the most high intends.
Here is a learning experience if we allow ourselve to learn. Why stop at any revolving religion or doctrine? its like walking in circles.
re value your values - at their foundation.
deference to "good" and universal is done in folly.
I am baffled at Dr. Adler's point about the common people not knowing about what was supposed to be the Mosaic tradition. Any reading of the Old Testament shows that at no point do the common people have any sort of understanding, which is why they are continuously not following what the writers of the books are saying they should be following. It's right there in the text that the common people are following anything else.
Appreciate the scholarship.
2:35 The Cohanitic blessing was found on a silver scroll in a tomb, dated from the 1. Temple time !
Only 6 mins in and I’m hooked . Thank you .. and I will buy the book 👍.
Fascinating conversation ❤✌🏼
Torah Law = Micromanagement
Micromanagement breeds anxiety
An independent state, especially one involved in regional conflict, needs a creation narrative, social cohesion mechanics and laws. Gather up some material from various places and whola. Its a familiar story by now.
It's Nobel Lies all the way down
@@JackPower-ez8eq Unvarnished truth is too harsh. Does this make me look fat? We all default into stories to encourage good conduct.
Historical facts= orange. Biblical events= apple.
I would say Biblical events = orange marmalade because the Bible is largely historical fiction, "prophetic" rants, and other writings.
Curious, what do you mean by this
The story is used to control the mind of children and people. So the historical accuracy the standard for trust.
Seems like if you were part of a ruling class that used divide and control tactics on your population; having a Law restricting wool and linen mixing, would be a great way to create discord between the classes where the lower class wool wearers would be easily identified as less than the rich linen only people. Possibly the earliest enforcement of the materialist, have and have not, class based culture we still have today.
36:41 it's interesting that this name of the jewish god sounds like the bacchic shout of Ἰάζω or Ίά... I love it! Gorgeous!
Oh my gawd!
@@-WiseGuy- On the screen you can see the Jewish script of the word, and the English script of the word but you hear just a Greek shout. You gotta luv the Greek script missing from there. Hail Bromius! Hail Iacchus! Hail Bacchus! Ίάάάάά! (=yeahhh!) and ίάωωωωω!
Helel Yahu Ah
@@Uncanny_Mountain
Funny...when you select "Translate to English", all it changes is Helel to Hellel.
what's the point of using ephemeral slang , like "bet", when discussing and trying to pin down understanding of epochs of historical interwoven evidence? a year from now, when "bet", and "cap", fade out of existence, are you hoping future generations will find the videos incomprehensible?
No cap frfr he finna say that in da video? Straight skibbidi
@@Neoprototype word. tl;rd brb iykyk iblt
Neal, kindly dial back your personality in the interviews, stop interrupting the scholars and misdirecting the convo with unenlightened insights, stop overestimating the relevance of your input , it’s painful to watch
@@AnkomaDjed you honestly believe that ephemeral slang that comes and goes is honestly part of a person's personality? so are you saying everybody's personality is a different personality from year to year? as different slang comes and goes, you have a different personality? since when is slang personality?
@@etyrnal Have you considered the person to whom you're responding was being polite?
this space is getting wild
Awsome interview good job bro man
I want this guy as my lawyer! damn!!!
The flaw in this argument is that before Judaism we had Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, so there were pagans before Judaism. Pagans also copied and adopted practices from our Fathers. Now y'all saying it's the other way around. Do what you must to get your likes, but don't be dishonest.
Lettering is Aramaic in style representing the runic letters of Yod, He, and Dalet. It translates in Akkadian as "Yahu Manifests." Hebrew is not found on any institutional archaeological texts before the destruction of Jerusalem. The Dead Sea scrolls are the first attestation of Hebrew in any quantity.
Noice
Cos they were Canaanites/Assyrians/ Phoenicians/Hyksos/Scythians
All different names for the same people... Ibero Celtic Tribes
🤘🔥🤘 awesome stuff
Homer copied what was being done, not the other way around. They didn't know shit about Homer.
I just ordered the book. Thanks.
I love that Dr. Adler asks better questions. What did the average joe know and do? Those are important!
One of the very first pharaohs used a catfish as his symbol.
I would definitely say that history is more important than stories.
If you don't know history, you run the risk of repeating the mistakes of this whole came before.
If one of the stories in your culture happens to be that god gave your people a specific plot of land 10,000 years ago, when that isn't actually the case in history, then your culture could run afoul of a lot of geopolitical problems throughout the centuries trying to lay claim to your specific "god given" plot of land.
If in the stories, god gave you the right to slaughter entire people's who were there first in order to lay claim to that land, it becomes very easy to try and repeat that process in reality.
So what about before the 5th century bce ? What was going on? Any evidence?
Great podcast just found it. Great guest!
Neal, thank you for following your inquisitive nature!
The title “Christ” in names like Christopher must not necessarily refer to Jesus. There were other Christs.. Cyrus, for example.