Luna now switches between Native and DSP if you have the plugins. Committing to printing on the way in is a doubled edged sword which has benefits and negatives.
Yeah, that feature rocks I think it’s super handy, as far as committing plug-ins goes… I think it’s important to always commit your preamp Sound, this is just the way it is in real life. If you were working in a pro studio, gentle EQ moves are OK, but huge carving moves is not advised nor is committing compression… Unless it’s part of the creative sound, it’s super common for guitar players to use compression as part of their tone so in that case it’s cool.
Ha ha Kat... you took the words right outta my mouth. That would make my head spin, trying to figure it all out. Thank God, for technical guru’s like Stephen, who can figure this stuff, and make it all work! Great job Stephen!!!
I just use the unison preamp (avalon) + Autotune advanced + LA2a with the apollo solo after that I just use my protools inserts to take care of the rest.
Haha Kat... you took the words right outta my mouth! That would make my head spin, trying to figure it all out! Thank God for technical guru’s like Stephen, who can figure this stuff and make it all work! Great job Stephen!
Thanks mate! Had to watch this back myself. Totally forgot about it! I think I’d like to get back to making super creative ones like this. Fo show. Cheers mate!
SO, I am TOTALLy new to home recording but so far have found that every video of yours I watch I gain so much information. That being said I am using and I have sooo many questions about vocal chains, busses, printing, how to use plugins on the front end so I can get my sound and save DSP. Are you open for teaching newbies like myself? I know you have the 1 on 1 sessions but would they benefit someone like myself who's pretty much teaching myself as I go? I appreciate all your info brotha.
Hey mate! Yeah - I’m happy to help anyone who’s open to my rants haha 😆 Everyone who’s ever done anything in music had to have started somewhere - so there are no dumb questions. Happy to help! My availability is in calendly.
@@TheSteveKinney AWESOME!!! I will get on your books soon. your rants are a million times better than what I got on my own! :-) c ya soon! Thank you again!
@@TheSteveKinney Of course! I just upgraded to an apollo twin x (first time using Universal Audio) and setup my vocal chain on the UAD console. I'm getting the signals sent to my headphones perfectly and a signal logic but when I listen back to the logic recording the vocals are dry with zero of the effects loaded on my channel strips on the console board. Did i miss something with the setup to link this? Is this a common error among setup for beginners?
@@zanechristophermusic glad to hear! Congrats! You will always wonder why you never jumped to UAD sooner. Lol To answer your question. Yup, Common simple fix. Inside of console - near the monitoring meter - click UAD Rec. this allows you to capture all the processed signal from the inserts. You can also capture the Aux channels as well - if you have a reverb, delay, etc on that. Add a stereo track in logic - choose the corresponding channel for the aux. if your not sure - go to console settings and review the I/o matrix. It’s specific to each class of devices, so it’s different than my x8, than the twin or the Solo. Hope that makes sense! Cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney My UAD record options are clicked and I BELIEVE that my Inserts directly on the Analog 1 channel are sending and recording to my (DAW) but definitely not my Delay and Reverb under Input channel 11/12... I think my input and output selections must be wrong on my corresponding Logic DAW channel strip
A number of people have been asking me this. If you watch my video on creating a song Luna - I go through the bus printing process towards the end. It’s very similar in other daws.
Here's a cool tip...get the quad core or better and don't try to cut corners because you'll live to regret it...ESPECIALLY if you're recording at anything over 24-48. I get the printing with effects to save resources but...man....It's a joke to get into this with a duo unless you just want a pre emulation and that's it from UAD. I'm SOOOO glad I had a bunch of other folks give me a stern warning on how they learned this the hard way before I finally just decided to pop on the quad..and even still...I'm having to work around some stuff....looking at an octo satillite set up. It's really not worth the couple hundred bucks...just accept it..eat it...besides..most people have been using cracked plugs for years anyway...consider if your dues. LOL. OR...get a GREAT interface for cheap and do Plugin Alliance that runs on your computers CPU. Having said that...GREAT video...and well informed. Congrats.
Solid opinion. And thanks for the comment and kind words! 🙏🏻 I personally have a twin x, and an x8, plenty of DSP. I use the solo specifically when I travel to satellite locations for tracking. Gives me the pres and high quality AD/DA without having to unplug my twin and travel with a power supply. So as a professional - it kind of opened up my eyes to what you really can do with it. I’m actually in the process of building a song expressly with the solo from start to finish on Luna! Pretty cool challenge. You’re right in many ways for sure and I agree that if you’re a pro running big sessions or plan on doing this long term to bite the bullet somehow. Cheers brotha!
This is so amazing thank you so much for these amazing tips and amazing video! We appreciate you taking the time and providing us with this amazing content! Thanks Again!
@stevekinney When you bounce down your effect do you group it into the bus of the instrument you having the effect on!? For example, if we have a snare and then put a plate on it and bounce down the plate effect would we put that in the snare bus with the snare or would you have the effect outside of the bus of the instruments? or should we have a bus for all the effects and then print them and put them in their own bus? hard to explain but hopefully, the questions make sense! lol Thank you!
@@musicmediaproductions Great question! And good on you for thinking about this. What most engineers would say - is unless you’re absolutely sure (I.e. it’s the final mix) err on the side of having flexibility. So In the case of your snare - the processes eq, compression would be bounced down as a track - then the plate would be bounced down as a 100% wet only track. This way, you could change the amount of the reverb on the snare after the fact if you’d like during mixing. Gives you that extra bit of freedom to change, after the fact. This is how engineers worked on tape aaaallll the time back in the day. So same goes for vocals. If you have a lead singer and you have some nice compression and eq - you can stamp that into a bounce, but the effects like reverb and delay- you’d want to make sure they are recorded to wav as a 100% wet track. Again, so you can blend as you go. If you bounced it all together - you’d not be able to have the flexibility after the fact. If I remember right, You can see this in action in either part 2 or part 3 of my solo Luna series. Cheers!
Ahh dude. Thanks so much haha I get really insecure about my footage cause I love things looking cinematic but I never think it does. So thanks so much! 🙏🏻 Short answer, I got tired of luts and color grading. I shoot my Sony a7iii. The whole s-log workflow killed me. So I developed my own picture profile. So all I do really is set my white balance and it comes out like what you see. There may be a slight white balance adjustment in post, or a shadow color adjustment in post from time to time. But largely everything is in camera. Cheers!
On another of your videos, I mentioned I was getting the Apollo Solo. The bad thing is the standalone Apollo Solo is discontinued (here), and now I can only get the Solo Heritage Edition ($200 more expensive). Since shipping from the US is out of the question (would end up paying almost the price x2). My feeling was that if I'm going to spring up $200, I might as well spring up a little more and get the Twin DUO, but there is an issue: The Twin needs to be plugged in at all times when recording. In my (third world) town, power is very unstable and the house connections have all sorts of issues. Whenever I record on my laptop, I have to unplug the fridge AND the laptop, so there is no noise on the signal 😂. This means I would probably have to invest in a surge protector/regulator if I want to get the TWIN and that would mean I'm spending about $1300 instead of $900 for Solo Heritage Edition (taking import taxes into account, ALL electronics are more expensive outside the US). So, in that regard specifically, I see the TB3-powered SOLO as a winner. The DSP limitations stress me out, but ultimately, I think I can make it work, even if it means committing to stuff early on. I just feel like buying the Heritage edition is giving me a bunch of plugins I can't even use freely given the DSP limitations... Do you think it's still worth it? Or for that price, should I just spring up for the Twin? (sorry for the long post)
Thank you for the great question! Firstly, it’s important to note that - having the solo myself - I do commit a lot on the way in. Especially when I’m working with guitar sounds and bass sounds. I still practice this with my x8 as well too. So even with a lot of DSP capability - I commit early. That said - I get your plight. Either way - I’d try to pick up some sort of power condition for sure. Something like the Furman SS-6b is a cheap example. Of course - I’m sure you’d have to find something like this for your areas connectors. Now on to the bigger point - for the solo - you always can look to the used market for Arrows or solo’s. Sometimes you can find a good deal. This avoids the extra cost for the heritage edition and you still can get the standard plugins that come with it. Alternatively - the heritage plugins are great. I use the 1176, La2a, oxide, pure plate, V76 pre - almost daily lol and those you’d likely have to buy in different bundle packs anyways. Tough choice though. That said - specifically because of the power issues - I feel you’d be making a smart choice in the solo for the clean power. Just make sure your computer has TB3. Cheers Mercedes! Hope all is well.
Could u please make a video on how to record in console?? My dsp is maxed out on my apollo and I can’t use any of my plug ins or even finish my mix cuz no more dsp, I’m using Logic Pro and you go back n forth between them but u never actually show how to record with console and Logic a video on that would be appreciated for the beginners ❤
Console itself doesn’t record anything. Logic is what will capture your signal. To capture your signal from you Apollo EXACTLY as you hear it, put it into “UAD REC” mode. Which is identified in the bottom right side underneath the big signal meter. Cheers mate!
@@TheSteveKinney thank you so much man! Quick question do I still put the plug ins on Logic or do I put the plug ins on console? I record through Logic but I have all my plug ins on console?
@@DANEOSEVEN541 sure - so. 1. Think of console as a real world physical controller of what’s happening inside of your Apollo. 2. Therefore - once you put your plugins in a chain on a channel - if you put console into “Rec” mode. Then once you record into your logic - those plugins that are in your chain - would then be recorded. You wouldn’t have to add them into logic at that point. You’re “committing to tape” you’re sound.
Awesome. A problem we all share. On a side note, could you do a video with the Solo + Adobe Audition? Some get clicks/sparks when recording/playback, and it could be due to wrong settings. Though, I'm far from an expert. Great video quality btw.
Hey, thanks so much for the comment & support! That's a great question! I don't have adobe Audition, I could maybe look into getting it or running a trial. However, that being said, it seems like your buffer might be set too low. Which would likely be a setting within the program itself. You may also try increasing the PlugIn Delay Compensation inside of your UAD console software. That's likely what's going on there. Play around with it, and comment back if you don't get it figured out. In the mean time, I'll see what I can do about picking up Adobe Audition. Cheers!
Hey Steve, i wanna buy Auotutune Realtime advanced for monitoring while recording and for my main vocals, but since i only have the apollo twin usb version: is there a way i can run various different vocals like ad libs, backings... over my CPU without using DSP?
Use more channel strip plugins. Probably most of the lead vocals can be processed through a Channel EQ and a Manley Voxbox. Than you can skip the LA-2A, the de-esser and probably a PulTec from the chain, you can even warm it up if you drive it hard.
@@TheSteveKinney I dunno man, I've used the real thing at UNI now got the UAD plugin with the Twin X, sounds really close, maybe the eq section sounds a bit different on the plugin and the unison gain staging can't really replicate the hardware preamp with the harmonics, but overall it sounds pretty much the same.
@@skk6811 That's awesome man, I'm in and out of studio's quite often - and I gotta say - so much of the Unison stuff really is damn great. Was just filming and recording in a studio the other day - and the 1073 pre is bang on. Of course there will always be that little extra bit the hardware does that just can't be explained - but truthfully - it's amazing to not have to worry about spending all that extra money or fork up for maintenance when a piece goes lol. I totally feel ya where you're coming from.
Could you do a much more in depth video on setting up busses and bouncing to wav etc to use the Apollo interfaces dsp/uad plugins to mix already recorded tracks in logic? I believe you basically covered it in this video but so much of it went over my head. For instance I get what the concept of a bus is, I just don't know the ins and outs of using them or even how to set them up. As another example, I don't even know what bouncing is. If you did an in depth video describing such things geared toward newbs like me I think it would go over pretty well on your channel
Hey Max, Absolutely, this is a great idea, and one I've been thinking about doing for a long time. I actually get a lot of questions in my comments sections about busses all the time - so I believe it is time. Stay tuned, I'll most definitely be doing this video next. Top priority. Best, Steve
Okay thanks, I’m looking forward to it! I hope the video especially touches on how to route everything so you can mix dry tracks in logic using uad plugins in particular. That’s the area where I can’t seem to find any info on anywhere. Also a thorough explanation of bouncing would be greatly appreciated. I’m sure it’ll be excellent either way though, you’ve been doing some great work!
@@TheSteveKinney The DSP percentages on the plugins are rated at 44.1 kHz. I did not know this. Pulling in some of my 96khz files it is lucky if I can add the SVT classic and an EQ. The Fender Tweed alone takes 69 of one core percent at 44.1 . I watched probably a week worth of promo trying to decide and not once was DSP relative to file resolution mentioned. Not their fault, it is mine.
@@spocktheripper touché. Probably worth reading more into how UAD handles aliasing in general.. Many of the most popular plugins have hard brick wall high passes at around 30k
@@TheSteveKinney I have no issue recording from this point on at 44 or 48. The problem is that all of my current projects are in 96 and bit-depth conversion makes my teeth itch :)
@@spocktheripper totally mate! It’s a great point and perspective. The industry standard is still kinda stuck at 48k. So I totally get where you’re coming from with the DSP limitation, makes a ton of sense. Rightly so, I wish they would clarify that for many as well. I work at 48k almost exclusively these days. A lot of people send me projects at 44k. So it’s solid for my needs. And I only ever really track simple signals with it when I’m traveling for work. Great points and much appreciated mate! Cheers!
I'm having a hard time deciding between an Apollo Twin X or going cheaper getting an Solo/Arrow. . I'm perfectly fine with the Audient id14 I already have but I just want the best conversion so I can be be done with buying gear. Spent too much money this year on Audio equipment
From technical standpoint, the twin X is gonna have the lead between the two. But only by a small margin. Both the solo and the twin are freaking amazing sounding. The x16 has the best ad/da conversion out of the line Up. Cheers!! Thanks for the comment. And totally freakin feel you on the whole spending money bit ha. My bank hates me right now.
@@timfrieden4639 yeah. There is a bit more dynamic range in the Twin. And you get some more DSP, and additional outputs for outboard gear routing. But if you’re just straight up trying to get badass sounds, and amazing sounding pre’s, the unison mic pre tech is really what sets all Apollo’s over the edge.
Nice !! When i use Friedman amp it s ok , if i add the korg delay it s ok. But if i had the 224 reverb (in aux ) it s not possible....do you have an advice to be able to record with these 3 plugins on my apollo twin please ? (For example i don t know if it s possible to add the dsp that is affected to Channel 2 to Channel 1 ...Thx
@@MELOPSMUSIC in this case, I'd recommend using the 224 in the Native license on a bus in your daw. You do not need time based effects to be perfectly in time with your live signal, it's a washed out reflection (reverb) - plus you usually have pre delay too.
I personally & legitimately use it for when I have an extended stay at a nice cabin or somewhere where it’s quiet and can write songs on vacation. Or generally traveling. Since it’s bus powered - works off my laptop so if I go to another country - it still works. I’ll admittedly get a lot less use out of it than I used to but I’m still fond of the little bugger.
This is the case, but quality is probably not a great term. So. They are the earlier modeling codes. Basically, most of the time, they modeled the devices functional characteristics, but not really the nonlinearities of their distortions etc. So to clarify more simply. The 1176 legacy - they model the way the 1176 compresses, its attack & release characteristics etc - but they don’t model the input/output transformers or distortion characteristics. Many of the “legacy” plugins were UAD-1 ... now we are at UAD-2. I believe at the time, the technology just wasn’t there to implement those extra modeling points. Now it is. 😎 Additionally, some of those also don’t have anti-aliasing filters too. There is a big article on that on sound on sound. Very interesting read. My take: I use the legacy plugs a lot on sounds that are in the background like - BGV’s etc. saves a lot on DSP and those extra characteristics, while it’s awesome to have, isn’t always needed for something that isn’t really front and center focus. I’ll also use them for monitoring during tracking, while I have a big session, again. Saves on DSP and gives the singer or musician some vibe without taking resources from the project. Etc. That said, there is a night and day difference between the newer modeled versions a lot of times, once you do start to try and get those nuances out of the plugins. Hope this helps. Cheers!
@@borscast ha ha for real! Hey keep in mind - the extra DSP in the satellites is only for mixing - so if you try to track more plugs, - it’s not really going to help on that front, but post production will crush!
Hey man! I appreciate your content! Just bought my Apollo Solo and this really helped me a lot. Not a lot of engineers do it here since they have a lot of processing power to begin with. Keep it up! By the way, is it worth to buy neve 1073 plugin for versatility? I like how 610 sound on my vocals though.
Thank you!! Thank you!! That means a lot,. and I'm glad that you dig the content. I'm gonna continue to push out stuff about the Solo. Man, I gotta be honest, I love the 1073, I don't typically use it on voice. I will use it on acoustic guitar a lot. It sounds great on bass too. I do find myself reaching for the 1084 on voice. I also love the v76 pre. I think that one sounds really smooth and nice. A really good pre to get is the API Vision. It's kind of a Swiss army knife. Sounds great on damn near anything. and the added built in EQ, Comp, Noise gate can really come in handy for things. Thanks for the support!
Great videos by the way!!! ...can I use an Octo USB to help the Apollo solo maintain DSP power? I now it’s a dumb question, but I am very curious. Ty 😎
If your Apollo solo is a TB3 - and the satellite is a USB, then no. If your satellite is a TB3 satellite and your Apollo solo is also a TB3 - then yes. Cheers brotha!
Thanks for the great video! Wondering if it's possible to just go: track>efx send(or bus)>print track(directly from send or original bus), rather than go: track>efx send(or bus)>new bus>print track, like in your example? Also, check out UAD LUNA, if you haven't already, it's pretty awesome!!! Thanks!
Absolutely, The setup that I created was simply to retain the ability to monitor the FX on the fly, and print at the same time. Either way, you'd need the primary source track, a bus/fx track, then a new audio track that receives the input from the bus/fx track. To do that, you need to create another bus oddly enough.
Also worth noting, that not all DAW's work that way. Luna is much simpler to print FX tracks. The second bus track seems to be specific to logic.. but you have the right idea. Cheers.
Great video.. Hi! From Spain🍾. I a new apollo user. How can I bounce in place, lime you do in the video, but a Mono track? And what is the difference between a legacy and a no legacy plugin? Thanks
Hey Richie, thanks for the support and the question. Great question! So it should be the same process. In logic - right click on the track you want to bounce in place and choose the bounce in place option. If it’s a mono track it will preserve the mono characteristics. In a different video I touch on your second question. From what I have come to understand - legacy versions don’t include the modeling of the input and output transformers in the signal path. Hope this helps! Cheers, Steve
Great video! Thanks! The one thing that was different when I did it was that I had to actually remove the plug-ins from the busses to get the DSP back rather than just turning them off. I'm also using apollo solo and logic X. Am I missing something?
Hey Luke, thanks for your question, can you clarify when you say busses -... are you referring to busses inside of logic? or the aux busses inside of console? There is also a setting inside of UAD Control panel where you can have "UAD DSP Resources" released on plugin bypass. This may help you to simplify, rather than having to remove completely. Cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney Thanks for your speedy reply Steve. I did mean the busses in Logic, but your tip about ticking off "release all UAD DSP resources on AU bypass" took care of the problem I was having. Thanks again!
The message "UAD DSP LIMIT EXCEEDED" refers only to the processes with plugins that are happening inside the UAD interface. So, no matter what someone would do inside the DAW (bouncing, process tracks on buses etc), that message would appear anyway, because it's a limitation of the interface. Bottom line, if you do any "trick" inside the DAW, still, you won't be able to load more UAD plugins inside the interface. Right?....:)
@@TheSteveKinney yep...but again, the video title and the content of the video aren't related to "how to manage UAD DSP resources", it's just about managing DAW resources:)
@@OrangeMicMusic you may be conflating something here .. because the practices apply to UAD console. It’s all one thing. When you’re done with takes - you power off your plugins in UAD Console. In your DAW you print tracks and turn off plugins. Etc. 😎 same thing.
@@TheSteveKinney I'm maybe new to Apollo interfaces, not to recording/mixing process :) Now I got it, you're referring to mixing using UAD DSP plugins, where all you said makes sense. I was thinking about just tracking/monitoring through UAD DSP plugins :)
Very hard to explain the difference. VERY. I’ll put it this way - the difference in dynamic range is what is different. The “clarity” is not any different. Sounds great. But if you were able to a/b swap between the two - you’d hear the “punch” of the mix slightly different. Which is obviously not really practical in any normal situation. Whenever I used both device, I was stoked and didn’t really affect me - but when I did tests between the two back to back - that’s what I noticed. If I had to have my pick - obviously I’d be going after the twin because of the I/o and extra DSP but if I just needed something to output sound at a pro level - I could take either.
@@Majordanthemajorproducer ya - I just don’t really know how I’d be able to accurately do the depiction. It’s not like I could really just record the outputs into a daw because then you’re adding an interfaces preamps into the equation. Not really a way of showing it unless your in the room kind of a thing.
In a nutshell... 1. Commit to your “preamp” plugins by recording the sound to wav. 2. “Print” or “record” your reverbs to wav once you’ve dialed in the source material. Then you can turn the reverb plugin off. 3. Look into “freezing” tracks in your daw. Most daws have this. Hope this helps mate! -Steve
@@TheSteveKinney thanks Steve this helps a lot I just got the Apollo solo (not the shitty usb version) lol so I’ve been just binge watching ur videos haha u got a new subscriber in me bro! ✊🏾💯
@@sced927 Awesome man! Stoked to hear you've joined the dark side ha welcome! You can really do some damage with the Solo. It's a great device! Cheers dude!
can you do another video about printing the effects was a bit confusing im used to pro tools, send the output from the effect bus to a bus, than create a track with the input of the same bus then click record?
You have the right idea - logic is the only confusing bit because of the way it I/o’s You have the right idea - take the output of the effect bus and route it as an input to the new audio track and hit record! The way logic does it - In very specific scenarios is to create two busses which is dumb lol Luna is way easier - as I assume pro tools is. And if you are using plugins on an aux channel in console - you can use that to record into your daw in real-time as well - by adding a stereo audio track and choosing the corresponding input from console. You can find this in the I/o matrix in UAD console. Cheers! Hope this helps!
I am trying to record Just guitar and vocal. I am a singer songwriter. Would Two Nuemann 103s(one mic guitar other vocals) thru apollo twin to logic pro using a Avalon 737 Plugin for both Provide an easy to use High end final product?
Generally speaking - definitely. The TLM is an amazing mic. Take some time and learn how to mic the specific guitar or guitars that you’re using. The avalon pre is awesome sounding, so you’d be great with both vocals and guitar there. Cheers brotha!
100% of course. I’d say pick up a used one and you’d save some cashola. Still get the legacy plugins though. Worth noting their pre’s really do sound amazing though. Neve sounds like Neve. Ssl etc. worth it if you want those sounds without spending thousands on rack gear. Cheers dude!
@@poeticgeenetikstv4672 depends on how you do your monitoring. Latency will always eventually become an issue IF and a big if - you are monitoring through plugins within the Daw. This is because as your session grows and kore plugins are added, the signals have to be sent to your computers daw - processed (along with all the other tracks) - then sent back out to your headphones or monitors. No interface can solve this problem, WITHOUT hardware processing. This is actually where the Apollo’s Excell the most. And one of the biggest advantages. They offer hardware monitoring. So your signal is sent to your daw to be recorded and simultaneously sent out to your headphones for monitoring while also being able to handle any processing, like compression and EQ in real-time - of course this would be via the modeled UAD plugins. And the best part for you - is that - can apply the UAD processing without recording the processing. So you can get the vibe you want in your monitor mix, but still be free to keep the unaltered clean signal once you hit record for processing later. the UA interfaces really are some next level stuff. Most that return - either need something so specific or they didn’t understand how to use it for what they needed. And I’ll admit, it’s a bit overwhelming at first. Once you really harness it though - you’d never wanna go back. Hope that helps. Cheers brotha!
The solution is simple, but it is up to UAD, and they won't do it because they want to sell more hardware: UAD plugins only used inside the DAW, should not be linked to the hardware DSP. My CPU is more than capable to deal with them with ease. UAD needs to decouple them from the interface once they are used in the DAW.
Hey there my dude, thanks so much for your he comment! Totally see where you’re coming from. And for the most part, I think you’re actually thinking like UA right now, see I think what your point about decoupling them in the DAW - I think that’s the point of Luna and will eventually be implemented. That being said - I’d be careful to think that the computer CPU could handle a ton of plugins. The thing is - the architecture is totally different than normal CPU instructions. And on top of that - you’re computer is rendering the interface, reading/writing to the system drives, etc. and because of this, this is where the latency comes in. And for this reason, this is 1000% percent why they have their own DSP on the device. So that you can monitor, record with no latency. Pretty damn cool. And even pro tools has now jumped on board with what UAD has done. They ripped off the Apollo designs with their new product ProTools Carbon. Hopefully that gives some more insight! Keep on rock mate. 💪🏻 cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney That is really weird answer. I own an Apollo, I know how it works, and I know UAD isn't releasing Luna on PC, but are selling plugins and hardware for PC. The way the code is written, is to make a closed system, like Apple does. There is not 1 reason that it wouldn't be possible to decouple the plugins from the DSP hardware. It is a deliberate choice from UAD, so they can push you to buy more hardware (like their overpriced Satellites). SharC DSP's are used in many effect pedals and effect units for example. My Strymon pedals aren't more powerfull than the CPU in my PC lol. Ofcourse the CPU matters for running plugins. I never said they didn't. But Intel and AMD have extremely powerfull high-end CPU's, which are more powerfull than any SharC DSP. It's the code in the case of UAD that blocks plugins being used by Intel and AMD cpu's. It is deliberate, so that they can create a closed system, like Apple. That is also the reason they won't release Luna on PC. It's a business model. That's it. Just like Garage Band is exclusive to Mac. It's a business model. Other plugin designers create more complex plugins than UAD and are coded for PC and Mac. Just to be clear: UAD makes great hardware and plugins. Just don't be fooled by the business model.
@@colaboytje I totally feel ya, and it’s a valid perspective for sure. Things are definitely changing, with respect to processing power. Especially from when they created the original Apollo’s w/DSP to now even. You’re right though. There’s most certainly a business model aspect to it. That’s for sure. Seems like all companies are working towards this route. Cheers man!
Ehhh. Truthfully - I’m cool with keeping my computer running cooler and quieter - just me personally - but I agree - it would be epic if they gave you the choice in the software. I also think that REALLLY impacts latency. Which I don’t want any lol But I feel you. 🤜🏻 Cheers brotha
Ohh, man I hate, absolutely *hate* that annoying “lEArN aBOuT maNAGinG dSP reSOuRCEs?” dialog box!! 🤬😂 I even sent in a feature request inside Luna, to let the user tick “Don’t show me this again”. And I suggest y’all do the same… You can clearly see the plug-ins go red, if you’re not looking at your DSP-meter, Jesusfknchrist! 😄
…and great video!! 🤘 I bought a used Quad, which turned out to be a Solo (still really good deal!) b/c the old man either didn’t know, or tricked me!! 😫 I’ve had a few frustrating moments over the years, but for the most part it’s fine, since I’m mainly tracking guitar/bass or vocals. I can’t mix anyway so, hah.. I’m slowly getting into Luna from Logic and it seems to be handling the DSP much better. But you can’t use Luna without the device, it’s almost a dealbreaker! Keep up the good work!
I love your videos, But PLEASE turn off the background music! So distracting from all the goodies you're saying. Hard to watch with that annoying bg. Especially since the damned bg music is the same level as any audio samples you play. And sometimes you leave the annoying bg on when you're playing audio samples. What did I ever do to you? Please stop that.
Thank you so much for watching! Check out my presets here: thestevekinney.com/collections/frontpage
Dude.... I'm speechless, I couldn't have described it any better myself,.....I wish! Another great instructional video, keep them coming.
Thanks Dad! Legend!
Luna now switches between Native and DSP if you have the plugins. Committing to printing on the way in is a doubled edged sword which has benefits and negatives.
Yeah, that feature rocks I think it’s super handy, as far as committing plug-ins goes… I think it’s important to always commit your preamp Sound, this is just the way it is in real life. If you were working in a pro studio, gentle EQ moves are OK, but huge carving moves is not advised nor is committing compression… Unless it’s part of the creative sound, it’s super common for guitar players to use compression as part of their tone so in that case it’s cool.
Ha ha Kat... you took the words right outta my mouth. That would make my head spin, trying to figure it all out. Thank God, for technical guru’s like Stephen, who can figure this stuff, and make it all work!
Great job Stephen!!!
Leave it to me Mom! I got you! ;) Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. It really helps! x
I just use the unison preamp (avalon) + Autotune advanced + LA2a with the apollo solo after that I just use my protools inserts to take care of the rest.
Right on mate! Cheers!
Could you please do a separate in depth video on how to print effects, mixes and masters within logic ❤️
Great job Steve! All this is a little over my head!
Thanks babe!
Haha Kat... you took the words right outta my mouth! That would make my head spin, trying to figure it all out! Thank God for technical guru’s like Stephen, who can figure this stuff and make it all work!
Great job Stephen!
The intro was super creative!
Thanks mate!
Had to watch this back myself. Totally forgot about it!
I think I’d like to get back to making super creative ones like this. Fo show.
Cheers mate!
I bet your channel will have thousand of subs in a few month. Great material!! Cheers
Dude - thanks so much! 🙏🏻
One can only hope lol
SO, I am TOTALLy new to home recording but so far have found that every video of yours I watch I gain so much information. That being said I am using and I have sooo many questions about vocal chains, busses, printing, how to use plugins on the front end so I can get my sound and save DSP. Are you open for teaching newbies like myself? I know you have the 1 on 1 sessions but would they benefit someone like myself who's pretty much teaching myself as I go? I appreciate all your info brotha.
Hey mate!
Yeah - I’m happy to help anyone who’s open to my rants haha 😆
Everyone who’s ever done anything in music had to have started somewhere - so there are no dumb questions. Happy to help!
My availability is in calendly.
@@TheSteveKinney AWESOME!!! I will get on your books soon. your rants are a million times better than what I got on my own! :-) c ya soon! Thank you again!
You're a beauty.. not many people covering what you are
Zane! Thanks so much for the kind words, plenty more coming. Good to see you in the comments again, thanks for watching!
@@TheSteveKinney Of course! I just upgraded to an apollo twin x (first time using Universal Audio) and setup my vocal chain on the UAD console. I'm getting the signals sent to my headphones perfectly and a signal logic but when I listen back to the logic recording the vocals are dry with zero of the effects loaded on my channel strips on the console board. Did i miss something with the setup to link this? Is this a common error among setup for beginners?
@@zanechristophermusic glad to hear! Congrats! You will always wonder why you never jumped to UAD sooner. Lol
To answer your question. Yup, Common simple fix.
Inside of console - near the monitoring meter - click UAD Rec. this allows you to capture all the processed signal from the inserts.
You can also capture the Aux channels as well - if you have a reverb, delay, etc on that.
Add a stereo track in logic - choose the corresponding channel for the aux. if your not sure - go to console settings and review the I/o matrix. It’s specific to each class of devices, so it’s different than my x8, than the twin or the Solo.
Hope that makes sense! Cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney My UAD record options are clicked and I BELIEVE that my Inserts directly on the Analog 1 channel are sending and recording to my (DAW) but definitely not my Delay and Reverb under Input channel 11/12... I think my input and output selections must be wrong on my corresponding Logic DAW channel strip
I wish I could screenshare with you becuase I'm definitely confused haha
That tip #3 was suppper cool! it would even cooler if you made a whole video on that in more details!
A number of people have been asking me this.
If you watch my video on creating a song Luna - I go through the bus printing process towards the end.
It’s very similar in other daws.
@@TheSteveKinney yea forsure I will check it out!
Here's a cool tip...get the quad core or better and don't try to cut corners because you'll live to regret it...ESPECIALLY if you're recording at anything over 24-48. I get the printing with effects to save resources but...man....It's a joke to get into this with a duo unless you just want a pre emulation and that's it from UAD.
I'm SOOOO glad I had a bunch of other folks give me a stern warning on how they learned this the hard way before I finally just decided to pop on the quad..and even still...I'm having to work around some stuff....looking at an octo satillite set up. It's really not worth the couple hundred bucks...just accept it..eat it...besides..most people have been using cracked plugs for years anyway...consider if your dues. LOL. OR...get a GREAT interface for cheap and do Plugin Alliance that runs on your computers CPU.
Having said that...GREAT video...and well informed. Congrats.
Solid opinion. And thanks for the comment and kind words! 🙏🏻
I personally have a twin x, and an x8, plenty of DSP.
I use the solo specifically when I travel to satellite locations for tracking. Gives me the pres and high quality AD/DA without having to unplug my twin and travel with a power supply.
So as a professional - it kind of opened up my eyes to what you really can do with it.
I’m actually in the process of building a song expressly with the solo from start to finish on Luna! Pretty cool challenge.
You’re right in many ways for sure and I agree that if you’re a pro running big sessions or plan on doing this long term to bite the bullet somehow.
Cheers brotha!
This is so amazing thank you so much for these amazing tips and amazing video!
We appreciate you taking the time and providing us with this amazing content!
Thanks Again!
@stevekinney When you bounce down your effect do you group it into the bus of the instrument you having the effect on!?
For example, if we have a snare and then put a plate on it and bounce down the plate effect would we put that in the snare bus with the snare or would you have the effect outside of the bus of the instruments? or should we have a bus for all the effects and then print them and put them in their own bus? hard to explain but hopefully, the questions make sense! lol
Thank you!
@@musicmediaproductions Great question! And good on you for thinking about this.
What most engineers would say - is unless you’re absolutely sure (I.e. it’s the final mix) err on the side of having flexibility.
So In the case of your snare - the processes eq, compression would be bounced down as a track - then the plate would be bounced down as a 100% wet only track. This way, you could change the amount of the reverb on the snare after the fact if you’d like during mixing. Gives you that extra bit of freedom to change, after the fact.
This is how engineers worked on tape aaaallll the time back in the day.
So same goes for vocals. If you have a lead singer and you have some nice compression and eq - you can stamp that into a bounce, but the effects like reverb and delay- you’d want to make sure they are recorded to wav as a 100% wet track. Again, so you can blend as you go.
If you bounced it all together - you’d not be able to have the flexibility after the fact.
If I remember right, You can see this in action in either part 2 or part 3 of my solo Luna series.
Cheers!
Awesome man ! Well explained !
EXCELLENT and very helpful, thank you! 🤟
Thanks so much for watching and supporting, cheers!
I just want to say you’re doing great
Thanks so much! 🙏🏻 I always love to see comments like this - more to come, lots on Luna.
Be sure to subscribe for more!
Great vid man especially your video quality. Are you using a LUT or color grading?
Ahh dude. Thanks so much haha I get really insecure about my footage cause I love things looking cinematic but I never think it does. So thanks so much! 🙏🏻
Short answer, I got tired of luts and color grading.
I shoot my Sony a7iii. The whole s-log workflow killed me.
So I developed my own picture profile. So all I do really is set my white balance and it comes out like what you see.
There may be a slight white balance adjustment in post, or a shadow color adjustment in post from time to time.
But largely everything is in camera.
Cheers!
Dude the wah wah wah waaaaaaah got you a like and a sub!! Comedy works every time!
It’s hard being this funny.
Cheers mate!
On another of your videos, I mentioned I was getting the Apollo Solo. The bad thing is the standalone Apollo Solo is discontinued (here), and now I can only get the Solo Heritage Edition ($200 more expensive). Since shipping from the US is out of the question (would end up paying almost the price x2). My feeling was that if I'm going to spring up $200, I might as well spring up a little more and get the Twin DUO, but there is an issue: The Twin needs to be plugged in at all times when recording. In my (third world) town, power is very unstable and the house connections have all sorts of issues. Whenever I record on my laptop, I have to unplug the fridge AND the laptop, so there is no noise on the signal 😂. This means I would probably have to invest in a surge protector/regulator if I want to get the TWIN and that would mean I'm spending about $1300 instead of $900 for Solo Heritage Edition (taking import taxes into account, ALL electronics are more expensive outside the US). So, in that regard specifically, I see the TB3-powered SOLO as a winner. The DSP limitations stress me out, but ultimately, I think I can make it work, even if it means committing to stuff early on. I just feel like buying the Heritage edition is giving me a bunch of plugins I can't even use freely given the DSP limitations... Do you think it's still worth it? Or for that price, should I just spring up for the Twin? (sorry for the long post)
Thank you for the great question!
Firstly, it’s important to note that - having the solo myself - I do commit a lot on the way in. Especially when I’m working with guitar sounds and bass sounds.
I still practice this with my x8 as well too. So even with a lot of DSP capability - I commit early.
That said - I get your plight. Either way - I’d try to pick up some sort of power condition for sure. Something like the Furman SS-6b is a cheap example. Of course - I’m sure you’d have to find something like this for your areas connectors.
Now on to the bigger point - for the solo - you always can look to the used market for Arrows or solo’s. Sometimes you can find a good deal. This avoids the extra cost for the heritage edition and you still can get the standard plugins that come with it.
Alternatively - the heritage plugins are great. I use the 1176, La2a, oxide, pure plate, V76 pre - almost daily lol and those you’d likely have to buy in different bundle packs anyways.
Tough choice though. That said - specifically because of the power issues - I feel you’d be making a smart choice in the solo for the clean power.
Just make sure your computer has TB3.
Cheers Mercedes! Hope all is well.
@@TheSteveKinney Thank you so much!
Hey man great work ! How do these Tips transfer to a Ableton User that's Novice ?
Pretty much all of them are DAW agnostic.
So they should work fine. Cheers!
Could u please make a video on how to record in console?? My dsp is maxed out on my apollo and I can’t use any of my plug ins or even finish my mix cuz no more dsp, I’m using Logic Pro and you go back n forth between them but u never actually show how to record with console and Logic a video on that would be appreciated for the beginners ❤
Console itself doesn’t record anything. Logic is what will capture your signal.
To capture your signal from you Apollo EXACTLY as you hear it, put it into “UAD REC” mode.
Which is identified in the bottom right side underneath the big signal meter.
Cheers mate!
@@TheSteveKinney thank you so much man! Quick question do I still put the plug ins on Logic or do I put the plug ins on console? I record through Logic but I have all my plug ins on console?
@@DANEOSEVEN541 sure - so.
1. Think of console as a real world physical controller of what’s happening inside of your Apollo.
2. Therefore - once you put your plugins in a chain on a channel - if you put console into “Rec” mode.
Then once you record into your logic - those plugins that are in your chain - would then be recorded.
You wouldn’t have to add them into logic at that point. You’re “committing to tape” you’re sound.
@@TheSteveKinney great response that finally made some sense to me lol thank you so much man 🙏
Ha!! The intro is my life!!!
Lolol I wanted the Microsoft error sound - but my editor couldn’t find it.
Awesome. A problem we all share. On a side note, could you do a video with the Solo + Adobe Audition? Some get clicks/sparks when recording/playback, and it could be due to wrong settings. Though, I'm far from an expert. Great video quality btw.
Hey, thanks so much for the comment & support! That's a great question! I don't have adobe Audition, I could maybe look into getting it or running a trial.
However, that being said, it seems like your buffer might be set too low. Which would likely be a setting within the program itself.
You may also try increasing the PlugIn Delay Compensation inside of your UAD console software.
That's likely what's going on there.
Play around with it, and comment back if you don't get it figured out. In the mean time, I'll see what I can do about picking up Adobe Audition.
Cheers!
Hey Steve,
i wanna buy Auotutune Realtime advanced for monitoring while recording and for my main vocals,
but since i only have the apollo twin usb version: is there a way i can run various different vocals like ad libs, backings... over my CPU without using DSP?
Use more channel strip plugins. Probably most of the lead vocals can be processed through a Channel EQ and a Manley Voxbox. Than you can skip the LA-2A, the de-esser and probably a PulTec from the chain, you can even warm it up if you drive it hard.
This is a great idea and I’ve been using them more often - I’ve found that literally everyone tells me to get the VoxBox. So. I must haha
@@TheSteveKinney I dunno man, I've used the real thing at UNI now got the UAD plugin with the Twin X, sounds really close, maybe the eq section sounds a bit different on the plugin and the unison gain staging can't really replicate the hardware preamp with the harmonics, but overall it sounds pretty much the same.
@@skk6811 That's awesome man, I'm in and out of studio's quite often - and I gotta say - so much of the Unison stuff really is damn great.
Was just filming and recording in a studio the other day - and the 1073 pre is bang on. Of course there will always be that little extra bit the hardware does that just can't be explained - but truthfully - it's amazing to not have to worry about spending all that extra money or fork up for maintenance when a piece goes lol.
I totally feel ya where you're coming from.
one q, isnt freezing the track a better and easier option to free up dsp
Yes, these tips were specific to the Apollo, not the DAW.
But yes, that will certainly be a fast efficient way if it’s post production etc.
Great intro!
Lol 😂 I wanted the MS Windows sound but I couldn’t find it.
Hopefully I can get some time to have some more fun making bits like this.
Cheers.
Super helpful!
Cheers ponchy!!
Could you do a much more in depth video on setting up busses and bouncing to wav etc to use the Apollo interfaces dsp/uad plugins to mix already recorded tracks in logic? I believe you basically covered it in this video but so much of it went over my head. For instance I get what the concept of a bus is, I just don't know the ins and outs of using them or even how to set them up. As another example, I don't even know what bouncing is. If you did an in depth video describing such things geared toward newbs like me I think it would go over pretty well on your channel
Hey Max,
Absolutely, this is a great idea, and one I've been thinking about doing for a long time. I actually get a lot of questions in my comments sections about busses all the time - so I believe it is time.
Stay tuned, I'll most definitely be doing this video next. Top priority.
Best,
Steve
Okay thanks, I’m looking forward to it! I hope the video especially touches on how to route everything so you can mix dry tracks in logic using uad plugins in particular. That’s the area where I can’t seem to find any info on anywhere. Also a thorough explanation of bouncing would be greatly appreciated. I’m sure it’ll be excellent either way though, you’ve been doing some great work!
@@MrDrSirGuyManJr thanks max! I’ll definitely be doing a deep dive.
@@TheSteveKinney Was this ever made? There should a part 2 of this video where you go into more detail.
@@OfficialDSFN technically - I think I do it in one of my Luna basics videos.
Since the mixer in Luna is the same thing as console.
Good tips!
Thanks mate cheer!
Picked it up yesterday from Sweetwater and it is already going back. What a ridiculous setup.
Would love your point of view.
@@TheSteveKinney The DSP percentages on the plugins are rated at 44.1 kHz. I did not know this. Pulling in some of my 96khz files it is lucky if I can add the SVT classic and an EQ. The Fender Tweed alone takes 69 of one core percent at 44.1 . I watched probably a week worth of promo trying to decide and not once was DSP relative to file resolution mentioned. Not their fault, it is mine.
@@spocktheripper touché.
Probably worth reading more into how UAD handles aliasing in general..
Many of the most popular plugins have hard brick wall high passes at around 30k
@@TheSteveKinney I have no issue recording from this point on at 44 or 48. The problem is that all of my current projects are in 96 and bit-depth conversion makes my teeth itch :)
@@spocktheripper totally mate!
It’s a great point and perspective. The industry standard is still kinda stuck at 48k.
So I totally get where you’re coming from with the DSP limitation, makes a ton of sense.
Rightly so, I wish they would clarify that for many as well. I work at 48k almost exclusively these days.
A lot of people send me projects at 44k.
So it’s solid for my needs. And I only ever really track simple signals with it when I’m traveling for work.
Great points and much appreciated mate! Cheers!
I'm having a hard time deciding between an Apollo Twin X or going cheaper getting an Solo/Arrow. . I'm perfectly fine with the Audient id14 I already have but I just want the best conversion so I can be be done with buying gear. Spent too much money this year on Audio equipment
From technical standpoint, the twin X is gonna have the lead between the two. But only by a small margin.
Both the solo and the twin are freaking amazing sounding.
The x16 has the best ad/da conversion out of the line Up.
Cheers!! Thanks for the comment. And totally freakin feel you on the whole spending money bit ha. My bank hates me right now.
so the apollo solo is basically just as good as the twin x? I would rather spend the $500 than the $800
@@timfrieden4639 yeah.
There is a bit more dynamic range in the Twin.
And you get some more DSP, and additional outputs for outboard gear routing.
But if you’re just straight up trying to get badass sounds, and amazing sounding pre’s, the unison mic pre tech is really what sets all Apollo’s over the edge.
Nice !! When i use Friedman amp it s ok , if i add the korg delay it s ok. But if i had the 224 reverb (in aux ) it s not possible....do you have an advice to be able to record with these 3 plugins on my apollo twin please ? (For example i don t know if it s possible to add the dsp that is affected to Channel 2 to Channel 1 ...Thx
@@MELOPSMUSIC are you recording into a daw or just practice and jamming?
If you are going into a daw, which daw?
@@TheSteveKinney oh, i record into cubase 10 pro
@@MELOPSMUSIC in this case, I'd recommend using the 224 in the Native license on a bus in your daw.
You do not need time based effects to be perfectly in time with your live signal, it's a washed out reflection (reverb) - plus you usually have pre delay too.
@@TheSteveKinney thx for the advice !
Thank you!
I have a twin x quad and x6 on the way which will retire my little solo. What can I use it for or shall I just sell it?
I personally & legitimately use it for when I have an extended stay at a nice cabin or somewhere where it’s quiet and can write songs on vacation.
Or generally traveling. Since it’s bus powered - works off my laptop so if I go to another country - it still works.
I’ll admittedly get a lot less use out of it than I used to but I’m still fond of the little bugger.
Hey Steve, just a question about "legacy". Some of peoples saying, in quality the legacy is not the same, like the "normal" plugin...
This is the case, but quality is probably not a great term.
So. They are the earlier modeling codes.
Basically, most of the time, they modeled the devices functional characteristics, but not really the nonlinearities of their distortions etc.
So to clarify more simply. The 1176 legacy - they model the way the 1176 compresses, its attack & release characteristics etc - but they don’t model the input/output transformers or distortion characteristics.
Many of the “legacy” plugins were UAD-1 ... now we are at UAD-2. I believe at the time, the technology just wasn’t there to implement those extra modeling points. Now it is. 😎
Additionally, some of those also don’t have anti-aliasing filters too. There is a big article on that on sound on sound.
Very interesting read.
My take: I use the legacy plugs a lot on sounds that are in the background like - BGV’s etc. saves a lot on DSP and those extra characteristics, while it’s awesome to have, isn’t always needed for something that isn’t really front and center focus.
I’ll also use them for monitoring during tracking, while I have a big session, again. Saves on DSP and gives the singer or musician some vibe without taking resources from the project. Etc.
That said, there is a night and day difference between the newer modeled versions a lot of times, once you do start to try and get those nuances out of the plugins.
Hope this helps. Cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney wow, thanks for the clean explaning :) the other option is purchase an octo-core dsp... :D :D :D
@@borscast ha ha for real!
Hey keep in mind - the extra DSP in the satellites is only for mixing - so if you try to track more plugs, - it’s not really going to help on that front, but post production will crush!
@@TheSteveKinney yeah, i know this, because i'm watching your tutorials :) and all of your videos too. Are awesome :)
@@borscast thanks mate!! Cheers!
Hey man! I appreciate your content! Just bought my Apollo Solo and this really helped me a lot. Not a lot of engineers do it here since they have a lot of processing power to begin with. Keep it up!
By the way, is it worth to buy neve 1073 plugin for versatility? I like how 610 sound on my vocals though.
Thank you!! Thank you!! That means a lot,. and I'm glad that you dig the content. I'm gonna continue to push out stuff about the Solo.
Man, I gotta be honest, I love the 1073, I don't typically use it on voice. I will use it on acoustic guitar a lot. It sounds great on bass too.
I do find myself reaching for the 1084 on voice.
I also love the v76 pre. I think that one sounds really smooth and nice.
A really good pre to get is the API Vision. It's kind of a Swiss army knife. Sounds great on damn near anything. and the added built in EQ, Comp, Noise gate can really come in handy for things.
Thanks for the support!
@@TheSteveKinney Thanks man! Just in time for the Black Friday sale! :D
Ha ha dude. Those sales have made my bank hate me. 😂 love it
Great videos by the way!!! ...can I use an Octo USB to help the Apollo solo maintain DSP power? I now it’s a dumb question, but I am very curious. Ty 😎
If your Apollo solo is a TB3 - and the satellite is a USB, then no.
If your satellite is a TB3 satellite and your Apollo solo is also a TB3 - then yes.
Cheers brotha!
Can a uad 2 satellite thunderbolt 3 be connected to apollo solo ?
Yes. But it’s technically reversed. You’d connect the Apollo solo to the TB3 satellite.
Thank you
Thanks for the great video! Wondering if it's possible to just go: track>efx send(or bus)>print track(directly from send or original bus), rather than go: track>efx send(or bus)>new bus>print track, like in your example? Also, check out UAD LUNA, if you haven't already, it's pretty awesome!!! Thanks!
Absolutely, The setup that I created was simply to retain the ability to monitor the FX on the fly, and print at the same time. Either way, you'd need the primary source track, a bus/fx track, then a new audio track that receives the input from the bus/fx track. To do that, you need to create another bus oddly enough.
Also worth noting, that not all DAW's work that way. Luna is much simpler to print FX tracks.
The second bus track seems to be specific to logic..
but you have the right idea. Cheers.
Ok, thanks again!!!
Great video.. Hi! From Spain🍾.
I a new apollo user. How can I bounce in place, lime you do in the video, but a Mono track?
And what is the difference between a legacy and a no legacy plugin?
Thanks
Hey Richie, thanks for the support and the question. Great question!
So it should be the same process. In logic - right click on the track you want to bounce in place and choose the bounce in place option. If it’s a mono track it will preserve the mono characteristics.
In a different video I touch on your second question. From what I have come to understand - legacy versions don’t include the modeling of the input and output transformers in the signal path.
Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Steve
Does printing tracks to save DSP effect sound quality in anyway?
Nope.
Great video! Thanks! The one thing that was different when I did it was that I had to actually remove the plug-ins from the busses to get the DSP back rather than just turning them off. I'm also using apollo solo and logic X. Am I missing something?
Hey Luke, thanks for your question, can you clarify when you say busses -... are you referring to busses inside of logic? or the aux busses inside of console?
There is also a setting inside of UAD Control panel where you can have "UAD DSP Resources" released on plugin bypass. This may help you to simplify, rather than having to remove completely.
Cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney Thanks for your speedy reply Steve. I did mean the busses in Logic, but your tip about ticking off "release all UAD DSP resources on AU bypass" took care of the problem I was having. Thanks again!
@@lukeleeburton3072 Great to hear it! Cheers Luke!
The message "UAD DSP LIMIT EXCEEDED" refers only to the processes with plugins that are happening inside the UAD interface. So, no matter what someone would do inside the DAW (bouncing, process tracks on buses etc), that message would appear anyway, because it's a limitation of the interface. Bottom line, if you do any "trick" inside the DAW, still, you won't be able to load more UAD plugins inside the interface. Right?....:)
Right. Theres not a way to load “more” plugins than the Units DSP can allow for.
But you can certainly do a lot to manage the DSP available.
@@TheSteveKinney yep...but again, the video title and the content of the video aren't related to "how to manage UAD DSP resources", it's just about managing DAW resources:)
@@OrangeMicMusic you may be conflating something here .. because the practices apply to UAD console.
It’s all one thing. When you’re done with takes - you power off your plugins in UAD Console. In your DAW you print tracks and turn off plugins.
Etc. 😎 same thing.
@@TheSteveKinney I'm maybe new to Apollo interfaces, not to recording/mixing process :)
Now I got it, you're referring to mixing using UAD DSP plugins, where all you said makes sense. I was thinking about just tracking/monitoring through UAD DSP plugins :)
@@OrangeMicMusic all good! cheers mate 😎
How is the clarity of the monitor output of this audio interface compared to the Apolo twin
Very hard to explain the difference. VERY.
I’ll put it this way - the difference in dynamic range is what is different.
The “clarity” is not any different. Sounds great.
But if you were able to a/b swap between the two - you’d hear the “punch” of the mix slightly different.
Which is obviously not really practical in any normal situation.
Whenever I used both device, I was stoked and didn’t really affect me - but when I did tests between the two back to back - that’s what I noticed.
If I had to have my pick - obviously I’d be going after the twin because of the I/o and extra DSP but if I just needed something to output sound at a pro level - I could take either.
@@TheSteveKinney thanks am going for the Solo
@@TheSteveKinney I really wish you could do a video on this for other people who might be curious like me
@@Majordanthemajorproducer ya - I just don’t really know how I’d be able to accurately do the depiction.
It’s not like I could really just record the outputs into a daw because then you’re adding an interfaces preamps into the equation.
Not really a way of showing it unless your in the room kind of a thing.
So basically u can put a plugin a bus?? And don’t more than 1 legacy plug in will run that shit up? This is a lot can someone clarify for me??
In a nutshell...
1. Commit to your “preamp” plugins by recording the sound to wav.
2. “Print” or “record” your reverbs to wav once you’ve dialed in the source material. Then you can turn the reverb plugin off.
3. Look into “freezing” tracks in your daw. Most daws have this.
Hope this helps mate!
-Steve
@@TheSteveKinney thanks Steve this helps a lot I just got the Apollo solo (not the shitty usb version) lol so I’ve been just binge watching ur videos haha u got a new subscriber in me bro! ✊🏾💯
@@sced927 Awesome man! Stoked to hear you've joined the dark side ha welcome!
You can really do some damage with the Solo. It's a great device! Cheers dude!
@@TheSteveKinney thank you for havin me haha cheers brother 🍻🔥🤜🏾🤛🏼
can you do another video about printing the effects was a bit confusing im used to pro tools, send the output from the effect bus to a bus, than create a track with the input of the same bus then click record?
You have the right idea - logic is the only confusing bit because of the way it I/o’s
You have the right idea - take the output of the effect bus and route it as an input to the new audio track and hit record!
The way logic does it - In very specific scenarios is to create two busses which is dumb lol
Luna is way easier - as I assume pro tools is.
And if you are using plugins on an aux channel in console - you can use that to record into your daw in real-time as well - by adding a stereo audio track and choosing the corresponding input from console. You can find this in the I/o matrix in UAD console.
Cheers! Hope this helps!
@@TheSteveKinney yea thats right thanks man! i never done that seems like a good option.
@@refugioflores2226 it’s a fantastic way to do things - I do it in my Luna song video.
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How many dsp chip do you need to run autotune, without worry about running out off space?
Go to UADforum website and at the top they have the DSP chart that gives percentages of how much Dsp an instance takes.
Hope this helps. Cheers!
I am trying to record Just guitar and vocal. I am a singer songwriter. Would Two Nuemann 103s(one mic guitar other vocals) thru apollo twin to logic pro using a Avalon 737 Plugin for both Provide an easy to use High end final product?
Generally speaking - definitely. The TLM is an amazing mic.
Take some time and learn how to mic the specific guitar or guitars that you’re using.
The avalon pre is awesome sounding, so you’d be great with both vocals and guitar there.
Cheers brotha!
@@TheSteveKinney Thanks much for responding and for the great videos!!!!
@@Tainpa you got it brotha!
Can I just use the APPLLO as a regular interface without using UAD plug ins?
100% of course.
I’d say pick up a used one and you’d save some cashola. Still get the legacy plugins though.
Worth noting their pre’s really do sound amazing though. Neve sounds like Neve. Ssl etc. worth it if you want those sounds without spending thousands on rack gear.
Cheers dude!
Will I have any latency issues? I see lots of other people taking theirs back, or reselling.
@@poeticgeenetikstv4672 depends on how you do your monitoring.
Latency will always eventually become an issue IF and a big if - you are monitoring through plugins within the Daw.
This is because as your session grows and kore plugins are added, the signals have to be sent to your computers daw - processed (along with all the other tracks) - then sent back out to your headphones or monitors.
No interface can solve this problem, WITHOUT hardware processing. This is actually where the Apollo’s Excell the most. And one of the biggest advantages.
They offer hardware monitoring. So your signal is sent to your daw to be recorded and simultaneously sent out to your headphones for monitoring while also being able to handle any processing, like compression and EQ in real-time - of course this would be via the modeled UAD plugins. And the best part for you - is that - can apply the UAD processing without recording the processing.
So you can get the vibe you want in your monitor mix, but still be free to keep the unaltered clean signal once you hit record for processing later.
the UA interfaces really are some next level stuff. Most that return - either need something so specific or they didn’t understand how to use it for what they needed. And I’ll admit, it’s a bit overwhelming at first.
Once you really harness it though - you’d never wanna go back.
Hope that helps. Cheers brotha!
The solution is simple, but it is up to UAD, and they won't do it because they want to sell more hardware:
UAD plugins only used inside the DAW, should not be linked to the hardware DSP. My CPU is more than capable to deal with them with ease. UAD needs to decouple them from the interface once they are used in the DAW.
Hey there my dude, thanks so much for your he comment! Totally see where you’re coming from.
And for the most part, I think you’re actually thinking like UA right now, see I think what your point about decoupling them in the DAW - I think that’s the point of Luna and will eventually be implemented.
That being said - I’d be careful to think that the computer CPU could handle a ton of plugins. The thing is - the architecture is totally different than normal CPU instructions. And on top of that - you’re computer is rendering the interface, reading/writing to the system drives, etc. and because of this, this is where the latency comes in.
And for this reason, this is 1000% percent why they have their own DSP on the device. So that you can monitor, record with no latency. Pretty damn cool.
And even pro tools has now jumped on board with what UAD has done. They ripped off the Apollo designs with their new product ProTools Carbon.
Hopefully that gives some more insight! Keep on rock mate. 💪🏻 cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney That is really weird answer.
I own an Apollo, I know how it works, and I know UAD isn't releasing Luna on PC, but are selling plugins and hardware for PC.
The way the code is written, is to make a closed system, like Apple does. There is not 1 reason that it wouldn't be possible to decouple the plugins from the DSP hardware. It is a deliberate choice from UAD, so they can push you to buy more hardware (like their overpriced Satellites). SharC DSP's are used in many effect pedals and effect units for example. My Strymon pedals aren't more powerfull than the CPU in my PC lol.
Ofcourse the CPU matters for running plugins. I never said they didn't. But Intel and AMD have extremely powerfull high-end CPU's, which are more powerfull than any SharC DSP. It's the code in the case of UAD that blocks plugins being used by Intel and AMD cpu's. It is deliberate, so that they can create a closed system, like Apple. That is also the reason they won't release Luna on PC.
It's a business model. That's it. Just like Garage Band is exclusive to Mac. It's a business model.
Other plugin designers create more complex plugins than UAD and are coded for PC and Mac.
Just to be clear: UAD makes great hardware and plugins. Just don't be fooled by the business model.
@@colaboytje I totally feel ya, and it’s a valid perspective for sure.
Things are definitely changing, with respect to processing power. Especially from when they created the original Apollo’s w/DSP to now even.
You’re right though. There’s most certainly a business model aspect to it. That’s for sure. Seems like all companies are working towards this route.
Cheers man!
@@TheSteveKinney Cheers to you.
It's almost like......uad should give you the choice to use your computer's dsp......nah that's crazy
Ehhh. Truthfully - I’m cool with keeping my computer running cooler and quieter - just me personally - but I agree - it would be epic if they gave you the choice in the software.
I also think that REALLLY impacts latency. Which I don’t want any lol
But I feel you. 🤜🏻
Cheers brotha
Ohh, man I hate, absolutely *hate* that annoying “lEArN aBOuT maNAGinG dSP reSOuRCEs?” dialog box!! 🤬😂 I even sent in a feature request inside Luna, to let the user tick “Don’t show me this again”. And I suggest y’all do the same… You can clearly see the plug-ins go red, if you’re not looking at your DSP-meter, Jesusfknchrist! 😄
…and great video!! 🤘 I bought a used Quad, which turned out to be a Solo (still really good deal!) b/c the old man either didn’t know, or tricked me!! 😫 I’ve had a few frustrating moments over the years, but for the most part it’s fine, since I’m mainly tracking guitar/bass or vocals. I can’t mix anyway so, hah..
I’m slowly getting into Luna from Logic and it seems to be handling the DSP much better. But you can’t use Luna without the device, it’s almost a dealbreaker!
Keep up the good work!
@@davidsgardell ha ha great points mate!
Cheers brotha!
I love your videos, But PLEASE turn off the background music! So distracting from all the goodies you're saying. Hard to watch with that annoying bg. Especially since the damned bg music is the same level as any audio samples you play. And sometimes you leave the annoying bg on when you're playing audio samples. What did I ever do to you? Please stop that.
Hey brotha! Great tip - certainly have done this on my newer videos.
Cheers mate!
Bugged UAD mechanics
Thanks for the comment!
I’m not sure. If you mean the software or me. 😂
Can you give me a little more detail?
Cheers!
@@TheSteveKinney darksydephil = DSP.
Cringe intro, keep it up
Video is two years old LOL
@@TheSteveKinney 😂😂😂
I CANT TAKE ADVICE FROM A DUDE THAT USES ROKITS SM,H
😂 smh.