Why YOU SUCK At Writing: Power Scaling
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- The original thumbnail pits my OC Kaara Tibur against Sukuna and his dad. Kaara Tibur is currently 12 years old in the story, but with her big brain and some prep time she could definitely no-diff both of them at once without even trying.
By my calculations based on a cherrypicked example from my book, Kaara Tibur can move at five times the speed of light, which is way faster than anything in the JJK verse, including Sukuna. On top of that, she has water powers which can turn to ice. Meaning Mahoraga is gonna be taking a ton of different damage types which he cannot adapt to. Kaara Tibur, known for punching ugly bums in the kidneys, would have no issue shattering Sukuna's kidneys.
Finally, even if Sukuna were to use a binding vow and sacrifice Megumi's balls to create a world-ending slash, Kaara would just need to say 'nuh uh' and then the slash- seeing that she's a better character- would turn around and cut Sukuna in half.
"I will forget you by tomorrow, Ryoumen Sukuna. This really was a Jujutsu Kaisen. You are my special." - Kaara Tibur (Definitely)
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Kaara might be as powerful, just like Peppino
Please tell me that thumbnail is bait...
EDIT: Your editor is selling. Litwick isn't even fully evolved, of course its gonna have bad stats!
Won't lie, I'm scared to finish writing my series and it have horrible power scaling for me to..well..rewrite.
I could just draw a stick figure and say it’s the most powerfull character in all of anime
@@speedyspeed8178 And it would be.
The Elusive Samurai has a good example for your tactics point. MC is a child with effectively no strength, but is capable of evading practically anyone. Presented with a stronger foe, MC slits his wrists and outruns him until he collapses. The author didn't give MC a super-duper all-new power to defeat his enemy, but instead wrote the MC into a situation that plays to his strengths.
Ranking of Kings did the same thing too.
I read that as the main character slitting his own wrists and just running crop circles around the villain as some sort of flex
Which, tbf, would give him the default win
@@ScritRighter I didn't really like how Ranking of Kings gave Bohji his power up. It was cool that they accounted for his deafness and weak body, but towards the end of the first season, he gets way too powerful for my liking. Like, he kinda no diffs most people after a little bit of training
Funny how you brought up JJBA in your tactics point when most of the fights actually use a lot of tactics and skill and not purely punching people
I was about to post that shit to the group chat about that example pissing me the fuck off cause it's literally the exact fucking opposite spectrum of that in it's example except for maybe part 3.
Right, every single Jojo fight is a battle of wits and never a contest of strength
Me when my editor makes me take a stance I don't know I'm taking cuz I never watched Jojo's
@@ScritRighterlol, its fine
@@ScritRighter that's unfortunate
As a powerscaler, armature novelist, and longtime channel lurker. I'm so glad this isn't just another powerscaling-bad video. Great stuff!
18:56 Mahoraga and the Prison Realm were teased since the very beginning of the story... World Cutting Slash is about as much of an asspull as me learning to do a complicated math equation through watching someone else do it. Sukuna's ENTIRE plan was to use Mahoraga's Nth adaptation to infinity as a blueprint to attack Gojo. It's why he took Megumi's body in the first place... He experienced Mahoraga hard countering his technique first hand.
Finally, someone who actually read and watched jujutsu kaisen😭🙏
The jjk critiques seemed a bit exaggerated to me too. From what I know it feels pretty consistent throughout nor does it seem that convoluted. Admittedly I do tend to like the concepts Gege uses for things like Gojo's infinity, black flash, rct and domains
@@Santiago.V7only peaple braindead and gojolovers say that is an asspull when in the very manga sukuna reveals his true strategy against gojo
Skill over raw strength and broaden your interpretation of the abilities you introduce. That's about what I understand
It is sometimes difficult to introduce strategic thinking when there's the temptation of "it's magic, ain't gotta explain it!"
But J think a writer with a passion (or patience) for chemistry would probably be able to turn even something as basic as "fire go pew" into a terrifying swiss army knife.
Otherwise, it seems some writers play with "hyper specific abilities that auto-win after a series of very bizarre conditions are met," something which Jojo stands are infamous for.
While this leads to some incredibly engaging scenes (Joetaro intimidating a soul gambler into folding with nothing but a mean look and the fact that he moves fast enough to catch bullets at point blank range), a lot of it can just come off as unnecessarily convoluted and arbitrary and kinda divorced from anything the reader could latch onto.
For example, De'Arby (the soul gambler man) basically takes your soul if you ever "admit defeat," even if you merely think it for a moment. In order to set up this ability without just getting pasted by a blue/purple cave man who can punch bullets mid flight, he tricks one of the main characters into a game and takes his soul as hostage.
I personally find this to be VASTLY more satisfying than if it were just a domain expansion where violence is just not a possibility.
@@bluggerPrefiero un poco de todo.
@@blugger and that's a fair opinion to have, though I do think those "hyper specific conditions" have a place to be enjoyable since it's simply a tool for the writer to flex their creative muscles a bit
Exp, having a Fire user in an oxygen low environment while fighting a non-organic opponent or something similar, it facilitates an interesting problem and weakens one side that otherwise would win in a landslide.
I think jjk does well in its power scaling tactics vs raw power because (outside of outliers like Gojo and Sukuna) we get fights like with Mahito which turns each fights into a simple game of tag and outside of Yuji,for very good reason that Sukuna and his souls are intertwined,anybody that gets touched directly is GG'S and it makes him a threat without making him too overpowered because his weakness is the same thing, somebody touching his soul.
All of that is to simply say that I think power scaling entirely depends on what rules you put in place and how closely you stick or bend those rules without breaking suspension of disbelief.
Putting an image of JoJo's Bizzare Adventure over a talking point about how series are just about people punching harder proves you've never seen JoJo.
Exactly, that's quite literally the opposite point of stand battles, at BEST, he could be referring to part 1.
Edit: I just read another comment, he hasn't seen it, he just put it there to make people mad.
@@stevenmcclutchey4744 The only fight I can think of being solved by punching harder is Tarkus, thats it.
@@Harvestinberrys Exactly
In Dragon Ball's defense its powerscale throughout Z saga was impecable. Superman though goes from outspeeding the galazy to becoming the punching bag of the bat family.
Superman suffers from having diffrent writers having different ideas about Superman. Not just on his power but also on his intelligence and skill because Superman isn't stupid or a basic fighter but sometimes those aspects aren't that obvious
The power scaling in Dragon Ball was very good. It's a mess in Dragon Ball Z after the Namek saga. Goku goes from 5k to over 1 million power level who can easily destroy planets. In the Broly movie he should've destroyed earth on numerous occasions.
I think my one complaint is especially with Naruto, the ninja of the story are based around the ninja of the story Jiraiya the Gallant (who Jiraiya is literally inspired from). Outside the ambush attacks throughout the series, ninja are rarely if ever shown to be super sneaky and all about espionage. I don't disagree the power scaling is wack, but I would also say in the case of Naruto and DBZ its because of the cultural inspirations for the series vs general western perception. For example people often equate hardwork vs talent being the theme of Naruto but it never was, it was always about understanding and rising above one's circumstances. Still a fantastic video, and brought up plenty of good points.
Fair critique tbh
I think the some of the best power systems are ones where you can do other stuff besides combat. Full Metal Alchemist is a great example, cause alchemy is not just a great combat system. You can use it to heal, do construction, do scientific experiments. It actually feels like something a world would have, besides something like ki, which is just to fight.
Using jojo as an example of just punching things or trying tongrow stronger is straight up wrong, kind of makes me wonder if you even watched it
I didn't lmao.
Bahahah
@@ScritRighter You put that there to piss people off 😭😭
@@ScritRighter lol, btw forgot to put It in the comment but love your videos, keep It up
Surprise attack neg-diffs fiction
Off screen attacks neg-diffs fiction
I mean it would be a surprise if he one shot goku so yeah
@@chaseorr3948Blud does NOT know the context
I agree with tactics. No point in having so much power if you don't have the skill to land it. I especially love watching shows where the weak overcome the powerful when the tactics are just right or that the power level is just low enough.
To this day, when I think about a seamless world where the abilities you are born with have little association with your combat prowess, it's easily Avatar for me. They did a great job in portraying competent non-benders; from Jet, to the Kyoshi Warriors, and of course Sokka. "Airship slice!" is up there as a major moment in the show for me. Like...Sokka had the idea to seamlessly take out a whole fucking capital fleet dude. If that isn't the best showcase how the "weakest" can still go toe-to-toe with the most oppressive and powerful factions...then, I dunno.
How I interpret my power scaling is that; at no point is any character (in the same weight class) is incapable of beating another character. Almost every character will be killable within the resources provided by the story. Even still, weaker characters will have the means to seek those resources at their own comfort if they have good enough motivation.
I just lock what methods do, or don't work on certain characters based on the target's abilities. For example, one of my characters is effectively unkillable due to unfathomable regeneration, stamina, speed and defenses but in return; possesses little to no means to actually harm opponents she is usually required to support against. Forcing her to fight against much more well-rounded opponents relying on much more fragile teammates because she has less offensive power than the rest of hee team 90% of the time.
A lot of her fights are team-based tactics where she is required to position her team in the perfect way while she trades hits or alters the state of the board to her favour but without supporting pieces can't do much. She usually has the option to flee any lethal encounter without support so she is usually challenged in situations where the objective isn't just to survive but actually obtain something or protect something.
In defense of the HxH situation, Nanika has been perfectly set in stone she's painfully costly to use by anyone, it was used as a perfect moment to reveal the truth that was already suspected of... Killua can ignore the rules, because Nanika loves Killua, simple and perfectly believable. What's more, the consequences, despite being an outcome Togashi was forced to do (He intended Gon to stay dead) he recovered very well by leaving Gon without nen. A very real consequence that can be acknowledged by the lack of... Gon. It was also presented they would go on their own separate ways from now on. So if Gon came back as a protagonist, he couldn't play that card either way again. If Killua entered the picture or he was the protagonist, then yeah, i couldn't argue that the event broke the stakes quite a bit. But i could see him playing around that, being Nanika has been in danger herself and still wouldn't attack
The fact still remains that her only restriction actually do not exist tho.
She isn't costly to use, and there is no actual repercussions to using her powers.
Her powers don't have any limits nor rules, she can do whatever and if this wasn't the case then Killua having free wishes would simply not be possible.
This turns Killua into a plot device, but it does create an interesting conflict with his family (no way he's getting to roam around free now, Illumi and possibly Silva will have him turned into a free wish puppet or might not eve have to compromising their goals with Killua if say he's manipulated to permanently add other family members in the free wish white-list).
I disagree with naruto critique
Kakashi in the first arc said that there are ninja younger than naruto stronger than him out there.
Ninja being stealthy is a thing but isn’t a focus because our protagonist isn’t that type of ninja. Ninja is just an aesthetic in naruto just like pirates in one piece.
In the second arc in naruto we have a kaiju battle while the 3rd hokage fight orchimaru in the background.
Naruto has many type of battles depending on the people fighting
ok but i’m a newgen
Please understand that the definition of ninja in naruto does not mean stealthy or is close to how we understood it to be. Ninja in Naruto means a tool, ur jus a tool for your village.
Also the first chapter was about A NINE TAIL DEMON FOX destroying a village, so Naruto was all about wizards from the beginning.
Also also also, the story of naruto is about dealing with your inner demon and overcoming darkness which they kept consistent throughout
This is a really good video
it's nice to see someone cover the topic of powerscaling and realize its importance narratively. Very often do I just see people who aren't even part of it add themselves to discussions of scaling and act so smart like "This is dumb bugs bunny beats thanos! author decides who wins 🤓☝!!!!"
Ignoring the fact that:
1. It's just harmless fun to do (why do you care so much)
2. I know damn well y'all are lying when you say that because if the author decided that someone trash like idk Miwa could go toe2toe with Sukuna for no real reason y'all would call it an asspull and bad writing rightfully so 💀💀 💀💀
Authors might not be calculating how many tons of TNT that guy's punch is, but they DO know how to convey the idea of power or feats by establishing internal consistency
that is basic writing 101, and I'm tired of people pretending it's not because some guy said Goku can flex his right buttcheek and destroy a solar system
powerscaling matters
also unrelated but
6:34 your editor needs a smack on the head for sliding in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure during the part about tactics
Like what is Jojos Bizarre Adventure if not Tactics and mindgames:The powersystem??
Hello??????
6:30 why did you have JJBA there? Most of the parts are heavily dependent on tactics and matchups. Lets go with Lovers im part three for instance, the stand was weak and slow. It almost killed someone regardless by deception, and was beaten because kakyoin probed the illusions. That was the real end of the fight, past that was just Jotaro meming. The entirety of part 6 happens because Pucci outsmarted Jotaro at the start, most fights with Kira are based around strats, like why did you overlay that with punchies stuff when it’s a prime example of tactics?
Solo leveling is not fun because the main character can defeat almost anyone. It's not fun to read a person just being the best and always winning.
Sung is not just the best at fighting, he's also the best in social situations, problem solving, tactics, etc. No other character really contributes to anything aside from glazing the shit out of Sung. That's why it's boring to me, tbh.
Usually the portion of the story that is fun to read is the journey towards that power
Solo Leveling was awesome
I mean I kinda understand not liking solo leveling. I enjoy it, but not liking it just because he can defeat almost anyone. People still like one punch man and overlord when it's the exact same.
@@ClassyYellowpeople have commonly disliked one punch man and overlord for the same reasons 💀
I’m not sure if you were insinuating that jojo doesn’t have tactics. But I hope that isn’t what you were trying to insinuate because jojo has never been about punching harder. It’s always been about trickery and outsmarting, outwitting, or out preparing your opponent. And honestly in many cases it comes down to fate /plot that is heavily tied to the themes of the part that it is apart of. It’s maybe 2-3 fights that are just a test of strength. And one is jotaro vs dio and even that has a level of trickery because jotaro tricks dio into thinking he can’t stop time in order to get the upper hand. They have to figure out what dios ability even is in the first place and that costs them 2-3 crusaders. That is not about who is punching harder that’s deduction, deception, and outsmarting.
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I think now that we’re starting to get to the point where new mangaka will have grown up with power scaling, it’s likely that we’ll get a series in the next decade or so that really just NAILS it. That learns from the successes of its predecessors while avoiding their pitfalls and fumbles, and where it’s clear the author just enjoys power scaling for its own sake
Kagurabachi is, to me, powerscaling done extremely well. 7 enchanted swords, the swordsmen who have mastered them, the government full of powerful sorcerers trying to control the swordsmen, and a shadowy group of sorcerers wanting to steal and take the power of the swords for thsmsleves.
The swords ended the war, and their power is known and controlled so when those swords are let loose, their power has been built up and the carnage feels earned. The swords have three powers that can be used in new ways based on the skill and creativity of the user. There are no asspulls because the swords have set logic, but can be constantly reinvented upon.
It's pretty much perfect and there's none kf these artifical walls such as dbz having ss1, ss2, ss god which left behind major characters that got powerscaled out of conflicts.
@@MistaZULE Kagurabachi actually came to mind as I was writing this based on the buzz I’ve been hearing, I haven’t read it yet but will soon
My one complaint with the video
Is the repeated casual dropping of super spoilers
ngl the pokemon exemples are horrendous
How so?
Ignoring the point about the games (following turn based rules and all, and competitive literally working on regulations or fan banlists and restrictions), the Pandora Box point does not work at all with the manga and anime.
Both the anime and manga imply and talk about fatal wounds in battle but never commit to it either.
The exemple of Psyduck in context is basically a lifeless doll that only exists to take the damages, but the damages themselves never matter (it's a zombi puppet that decomposes either way, and the paneling will just lie to you about what was actually hit). Pokemon will be pierced, cut in half or heavily damaged only if they can regenerated (Deoxys getting half of its body blown off, or manga related, Arbok getting cut in half only for it to just regenerate) or it not mattering (hitting an image, a clone, or an element of the environment and in the most aggregeous exemples in both the manga and the anime, consequences being completely ignored and reversed like Celebi completely skipping over character death in the RS arc immediately after said characters deaths or Ash getting resurrected in the first movie and any movie with death in there after it).
@@charnalk5572 I'm not sure how this conflicts with the points I made about power scaling. Pokemon Adventures does good power scaling, and it opens a pandora's box the franchise typically tries to avoid (ie, Pokemon death). Showing us a zombie psyduck's face melting shows the audience what can happen if they get hit with the attack. Just as a guy ducking out of the way of a brick-shattering punch shows us how dangerous the punch was without ending the fight.
The Pandora's box is that Pokemon can die, and Pokemon Adventures doesn't need to slaughter a bunch of Pokemon in front of us to convey that or use it. They just need to address it as apart of the stakes for their battles and tell us how they work around it.
@@ScritRighter Pokemon in fact nevers avoided Pokemon death lmao,what it avoids is following through with it.
Doesn't matter that said wall breaks after a punch, if when it connects to a character with a durability lower than said wall there's suddenly no damage.
Hydro pump doing massive damage to Staryu, despite the type effectiveness indicating the opposite. And yet Bulbasaur will take no dammage from said attack because... of type affinity, in the exact same chapter?
The Pokemon manga has really poor scaling and is on par with the anime in that regard (oh look, the affinity to which this Pokemon is immune to does not matter anymore now that we need the protagonist to win. This is actually worse in the manga because the anime at least justified Onix as being soaked, the manga on the other hand has it work because Red gave friendship speech), it mostly goes off of vibe (some have decent explanations, other just work until they don't until they suddenly work again).
P.S: I forgot to specify this, but no it did not melt Psyduck's face (and this really makes me you didn't really read poke spe and just went off of the cheap shock value memes).
Again, the Psyduck you're talking about (and showed in the video) is a different one, it's corpse of a psyduck that was already decomposed (the one hit with the acid was not shown melted, just acid on its head).
@@charnalk5572 I also think about the scene in Pokemon The Origin where Squirtle bites Charmander on the neck, trashing him about and the fire on his tail starts to dim out (Literally showing he's dying). Pokemon battles are just supposed to be like Boxing where you end the fight before it becomes life threatening but clearly they can go too far.
I am writing a story where the character are big stronk and this is a video I did not know I needed.
I was gonna comment about Gojo but your description with Kaara was too hilarious 💀
Atleast you put the King of Frauds in his place.
"I absolve you of your sins. You have been forgiven..."
The thing about this for manga is that writers can't just take time to reflect. The workload and time constraints make this hard. That's why HxH is doing well in its endeavors, because Togashi who is already respected because of Yu Yu Hakasho has the ability to take hiatuses more frequently. That's why Berserk had consistently amazing art, and never went downhill like we see many manga do, the hiatuses help. Most mangaka, especially big shonen mangaka, don't have the ability to do this that often, they can't take too many breaks. Look at Gege, who's taking some breaks a lot recently. If Jujutsu Kaisen wasn't in huge demand and coming to a close to the end (at least the end of part one) it may have been cancelled.
I tend to try and not think too much about powers, how strong they are, and how they work. Mainly because ultimately, the power that characters have is a completely arbitrary value assigned to them so that those characters can have their stories told. They're exactly as strong as they need to be for the story to happen. You can make any ass pull you want, even something as cliche as the power of friendship, so long as it makes for a good story and doesn't directly contradict established rules. The powers exist to serve the story, not the other way around.
2:38 That's actually something Stan "The Man" Lee cited. As long as you are a writer, you decide who wins. Especially with OC's
For your example of x beating, y doesn't mean x can beat z even though y beat z. This is true in real-life combat sports. You'll see it time and time again because of styles. Champ of a division facing a contender, contender has lost to guys the champ has already beaten. Then the contender pulls an upset cause he could have a good style match up, executed a perfect game plan, set up a perfect counter shot, etc. Wish it was more often like that in anime than power gap big so i win.
It's only applicable when x ≈ y or y ≈ z, if they're capable of the same things then they could use the same method to defeat the third person.
For the ice power, one thing you could also do is make them utilize ice in a different way. For example, covering the fire in a blanket of snow will render it unable to get oxygen and thus fizzle out, or even just a regular blanket. Or fire off fast moving, bullets of ice that pierce through the fire as they are solids going through a gas at rapid speeds, which would let the ice hit the target before it melts. Or just making a gigantic rock of ice that when melted into water will cover the person with said water, and their fires as well, thus making said person defeat themselves even if you can't control that water.
This is of course, assuming that the fire is strong enough to fight back against the ice, I don't actually get why in a lot of stories for some reason ice is weaker at dealing with fire than water is?? It is an incredibly cold chunk of water-rock. You can just hit somebody covered in the head with it and nothing will change, the ice won't immediately be reduced to nothing, it will still remain fine, just hit them over the head with the ice. Chuck it at them. Can't do nothing, unless the fire is strong enough to immediately turn the ice into normal water, which as said, I'll be assuming that is the case.
(I haven't watched the video as of the submission of this comment) This issue, in addition to characters' skills and intuition, is a reason why I'm unconfident in writing stories focusing on combat, including some combat, or at least including some actions of conflict.
Your Naruto point is misleading. Even up to the war arc tactics were very much used it just when you reach the the pinnacle of world you can destroy whole city. I.e guy and kakashi against white mask obito, sasuke vs dedara,
and so on do we forget that Naruto summoned a kaiju in the second arc of the show or how the 3rd made a contract with death or how orchimaru brought the dead back to life. People need to stop acting like Naruto was ever these ground non-fictional ninja when the first major battle we see in kakashi vs zabuza in which they meet in an open field and cause a mini tsunami. Yall act like they supposed to be real ninja in black jumpsuit, like they’re clearly a fictional version of what we know as ninja😂
A lot of his points are misleading or completely disingenuous if not contradictory depending on what he wants to say in the moment.
It's honestly not a good video, it's completely inconsistent.
"Why won't ninja just destroy X or Y village" is like asking why we don't nuke X or Y state...
Most obvious answer is fear of escalation, and that's forgetting that those powers are exceedingly rare and/or impractical to use.
Naruto has a lot of flaws, but people pretending that the power ceiling was broken in Shippuden like the story didn't start with the manga telling us that the nine tails was so strong it was casually leveling moutains is disingenuous af.
@@charnalk5572 I mean tbf there's a huge difference between like every ninja in the village jumping one giant beast and one human being having that sort of power. Like yeah it talks about the Nine tails destroying mountains but a literal line later it talks about the all shinobi clans being gathered. We didn't even see how they managed to entrap his soul into Naruto till mid way through shippuden where the powerscaling was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger than early series.
@@lmao2302 And yet the manga also establishes that one single man sacrificed himself to seal said beast.
And it was not in Shippuden either.
Later addition actually even added more nuance to the situation, the Kyuubi attack would've been qualmed instantly had the village allowed genjutsu users to control it.
They did not want the Uchiha nowhere near it because they suspected it to be controlled to begin with.
Introducing "Nen getting stronger after death" has did a lot of damage to the nen powers system.
I write to pain the possibility of the power so much that i can't just put a wall of text into story as it would be too long, so i keep a second page for each characters powers as a backup knowledge to not forget anything.
Hunter C Hunter literally introduces the way that it breaks its power structure. Nen contracts which let Kurapika get a BS win over Uvogin.
7:01 The Fate series of all things does this very well. Most notably in Stay Night the only reason why Shirou, a below average mage, was able to defeat the King of Heroes Gilgamesh is not because he's stronger, but because 1) Gil is an idiot and never goes all out against people that he doesn't consider worthy (so basically anyone that isn't Enkidu) and 2) Shirou's magecraft Unlimited Blade Works was specifically designed by a certain red archer to be the perfect counter to Gate of Babylon.
in terms of martial arts fights, dont forget that one of the most popular martial arts styles is Hóu Quán (monkey kung fu) and the goal of most forms of it is not actually to win fights, but to annoy your opponent until they forfeit or drain their energy so they cant hit you while you take fast jabs and keep distance, and techniques from the art are applied in styles like northern praying mantis
Earlier than I thought I could be.
Good morning
Man, I really needed this video!
I'm writing a web novel with superpowers and all that, and keeping the power system stable is being one of my major worries. Oftentimes, I find myself thinking of all those epic fights between the characters I created (and that I'm planning to make happen), only to stop myself all of a sudden once I notice it's getting too flashy for the premise of the power system.
A character of mine will hardly be capable of exploding a building to dust, even less with a single attack, and if they manage to, they're Peak-of-The-Scale, in-universe... SO WHY CAN'T I STOP IMAGINING JUJUTSU KAISEN-STYLE FIGHTS?! AAAAAGH!
You can still have fights be flashy or cool while while keeping things within the limits of what you want. Someone like spiderman can have flashy fight scenes due to his mobility while not being able to nuke a city with a punch. They can be as dynamic as other action you like while keeping the power level lower.
@@kaisac. I know, but that's not really the issue.
I'm struggling on how to properly conceptualize gains of power and how to make the characters stronger (kinda tempted to fall into the "ascend to godhood" trap he mentioned).
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Just to tell you something.
The rankings such as Genin and Chunin, they don’t just measure on how strong you are, but rather on how experienced you are.
Let’s bring Iruka into this, He was much stronger than characters like Sasuke and Naruto (without the chakra mark and Nine tails chakra) throughout Part 1, but was heavily outpaced due to the powerscaling in Naruto (in Part 2) having a higher ceiling due to other antagonists (Akatsuki and others later down the rode) for Team 7 to strive into becoming stronger in the show. Iruka is experienced, but he wasn’t strong enough to be a Jonin.
You can also take Kakashi into this, he himself stated in the beginning of the chunin exams that he became a jonin at the age of 7, due to his experience with others in his missions along with him being a prodigy, which shows that characters such as Itachi and Shisui were more than likely to reach this level in Konoha (which they did).
The rankings in Naruto DO matter, as they do show how strong and experienced you can be, which everyone in the show (in shippuden) was chunin or Jonin (such as Temari and Kankuro).
I'm still salty about what happened to Gojo
I feel like sukuna vs gojo is more of cunningness and intelligence of jujutsu vs someone just blessed with god abilities. Sukuna spent the entire series analyzing gojo’s techniques trying to learn how to bypass infinity. Wold cutting slash felt very earned and not like an asspull powerup
It's Last Jedi that did the hyperspace ramming, not Rise of Skywalker.
Those last two movies are blurred together in my mind for some reason.
Also hyperspace ramming isn't viable, or at least it shouldn't have been, because you enter hyperspace. You won't actually hit the other ship by doing that, you *used to just enter a different space and come out somewhere else.
@@internetlurker1850 Yeah Hyperspace is basically a Nether portal if that makes sense
@@CrazyWeridoRH That's a good way of explaining it yeah
In a series like Dragonball where breaking your limits is one of the core themes of the story, there would have to inevitably be something beyond Super Saiyan.
Plus, for the sake of marketing and merchandise they have to look different. Gotta sell those action figures.
Dragon ball is all abt the fight scene at this point. Fuck power levels, fuck logic, fuck story.
Kaara and Peppino are going to be good friends
You mention Re:Zero yet you won't elaborate, I need elaboration!
not to be a massive super nerd about things, but im gonna be a massive super nerd about things for a second.
in theory another avenue for countering hyperspace projectiles is the use of gravity wells, both natural and artificial to cause anything traveling in hyperspace to veer unpredictably away and or get atomically pulverized into pieces small enough to cause only minor damage or even get blocked by ray shields, assuming the safety on the hyperspace drive is turned off which if it weren't would just cause the projectile to harmlessly slow down to a stop in front of the target.
that is to say that the discovery and development of hyperspace weapons would be a game changer, but more in the sense that it forces ships to focus into either maneuverability as a defense or gravity well generators as defense, with both hyperspace drives and gravity well generators likely seeing a process of gradual miniaturization to the likely end point of disposable drives mounted in missiles and corvettes with gravity wells which has its own knock on effects to make classic rebel hit and run tactics non-viable.
just some initial thoughts on the idea.
Naruto isn't just a story about ninjas turned wizards or db characters without no end goal , you completely miss the point of both animes and the fights they portray. Especially Naruto , you're acting as if hokage or even people with kekeigenkei aren't above average jonin . It's more due to your reading and perception of the animes. No wonder you love jjk when they scaling is more grounded and people could get killed with bullets.
Thumbnail dissing my goat midkuna. Unacceptable.
6:25 Honest question: have you actually watched Jojo's Bizarre Adventure because its the opposite of what you described here
I haven't. My editor put that there lmao.
@@ScritRighter Make your next power scaling video you vs your editor
@@ScritRighter The editor set up is crazy
@@KaliTakumi My editors no diff me. They're carrying this channel.
Correction on the star wars point. The ships enter hyperspace where they are not in the same universe as the other ships.
No but it makes sense why can't Kuzan use water or steam powers if he ate the ice ice fruit? Good point
DS in thumbnail and doesn't even bother talking about its masterclass power scaling 😭
I think you should read worm by wildbow its about superhero and supervillans how they use powers in the series is kind of insane. Its all strategy and they build on it with the help of other powers. A good read
I've been wondering, would you be interested in making videos about specific anime? Like reviewing it, saying what the writers did right and what they did wrong, etc. I'd be very interested in hearing your opinion on My Hero Academia, Demon Slayer, or other heavily flawed shows that had a lot of potential
You should tell your editor to dial it back on the spoilers, but otherwise I thought the video was interesting
Bro you made some good points like the naruto one and interesting points to add on to the abilities to an element. But I disagree mostly on the jjk one, the prison realm was teased in episode 1 to stop gojo’soverpowered nature. Sukuna was just recently spawned so we didn’t know who was stronger in till that final battle where sukuna had set up a plan to bypass infinity to kill gojo it was still a close fight. The take on different abilities being too much for the audience I just generally disagree on. The power system in jjk is explained good “but the techniques weren’t fleshed out”
but wouldn’t it be boring for more people to have the same basic moves also I’m pretty sure every ability was atleast shown most of their capabilities. Also I don’t think you should critique a power system if you didn’t even watch or read the anime/manga to get a full grasp on it
Says you that naruto point was terrible and is way better then jjk
Naruto was never about stealth and hiding. The protagonist is a loud in-your-face idiot. They wield mystical techniques as early as part 1, and had silly kaiju battles with giant snakes and turtles, and tanuki. Sasuke is not a genin at the end of Shippuden, he's a criminal on parole. Naruto remained a genin throughout Shippuden as he missed his chance to become a chūnin twice. Lastly, he lacked the academic skills needed to formally take the rank of jonin. That's why he's shown studying to become a jonin and inevitably hokage post-war.
There are valid critiques of Naruto's power system. But yours is merely a misunderstanding of the manga. It was never about stealthy ninja sneaking around. Tactics have and always will exist in Naruto. That's why the most popular jutsu are mechanically interesting and balanced.
I respect the video for it's advice. But, if you must speak on Naruto's power system, tell readers about the mechanical inconsistencies. The retcons, the poorly explained mechanics. Or hell, just bring up the concept of "moulding chakra," and the fact that it vanished throughout most of Shippuden and doesn't return until part way through the war arc.
Hey scrit, am interested if your take on mha since ive seen you mention it a few times on your channel
Why you put JJBA as example that there no tactics, if you didn't watch Anime by yourself?
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Naruto and jojo was uncalled for
Jojo is one of the top in terms of power system [stands not hamon]
If two ninja can destroy the whole village why don't they
Is like if USA can nuke whole of Russia why don't they
There are consequences and possibility of loss on both side that is why we still have armies and combat at personal level today
Crap, just put FTL engines on unmaned torpedos and you do away with the morally complex kamikaze issue. Holdo should have revived an arms race and forced the third movie to go back to the glory of theprequels. No palpatine, no reylo, just long winded discussions on the intergalactic politics of war and the moral ramifications of winning at that cost.
I really enjoyed a lot of the points in this video but your statements about Naruto/Dragon Ball are so misinformed...
Honestly, those sections of this video are just hard to watch because of all the lies.
"After the frieza saga Toriyama struggled to involve the other characters beyond being commentators"
Krillin, Tien, Bulma and Piccolo played a critical role in the story and helped out the main characters.
Bulma created the time machine that allowed Trunks to save the world.
Tien saved everyone's lives when they were about to get crushed by Cell.
Piccolo held back the androids by himself when they were about to destroy Kame house.
Krillin goes through a character arc about learning the Androids are not just crazy monsters but tortured humans who just want to be free.
"Naruto goes from a story about ninjas and child soldiers to a story about Kung fu wizards fighting with their inner demons"
DID YOU EVEN WATCH EPISODE 1?!
In the very first scene we observe the fourth hokage fighting the Nine Tailed Fox atop a giant frog that can destroy mountains.
The episode ends with Naruto filling an entire forest with 1000s of shadow clones just to fight 1 guy, not very stealthy right?
Naruto was ALWAYS about Kung Fu wizards fighting with their inner demons.
"The most powerful and gifted Ninja in the world turn out to be a bunch of teenagers"
Blatantly untrue.
Besides Naruto and Sasuke, which of the most powerful Ninja are teenagers?
Hashirama, Madara, Obito, Hagoromo, Kaguya, Pain, Itachi, Minato, Guy, the Sannin, Akatsuki and most of the kage are adults.
Most of the strongest shinobi are ADULTS.
I would say I definitely disagree with your point about Naruto.
The ninja would use espionage as to not start issues with other villages.
And they've been shooting giant fireballs and summoning kaiju since the beginning of the series
Naruto made a forest full of shadow clones in the first arc they've always had these insane powers. And while as the comment about them being a lot closer to Battle wizards or Martial Art mages is definitely true it's always been like that
And even up to the last fight in the series with all the incredibly powerful world shattering ninja they were still using strategy and tactics to defeat their opponents. The Juubito fight is them exhausting as many strategies as they can think of to defeat him and many more examples of this exist. The powers themselves are just on a larger scale than Then the beginning of the series and people mistake that for a lack of strategy but the strategy is very much still there.
Other than learning to write better, I’m only here for hxh or jojos.
You completely lost me at Naruto.
Like you just flat out say you don’t have a clue how Naruto started.
The series literally starts out saying the Nine Tails could turn the world to ash and was stopped by Minato.
Let alone that Minato was the master of assassination.
Might as well add him not killua aren't just kids that are skilled , they are predetermined prodigy's lol why do you think zigg and don freecs relationship goes way back. zoyldcs and freecs have members who've done out of the world things c'mon now 😂
Gotta disagree with the Naruto one, we’ve seen stuff like the byakugan day 1 we’ve seen them cause natural disasters in Naruto, like when Naruto fought the 1st tailed beast or when orochimaru levels konoha, they were able to do this because they summoned legendary beasts and powers not many ever have that’s why majority of the verse he’s stealth tactics, and no teenager besides Naruto sasuke and Sakura touch the top tiers the rest are adults or actual gods
Hunter X Hunter is the goat series.
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The biggest complaint i had with naruto is that naruto himself seems to fully stop growing as a character at the pain arc. Naruto is confronted with the same questions pain gave him in the war....and had no answer. Nothing. At all. For the love of god...even code geass gave a very simple answer. Dont believe me. Whats his response to charles when he offs him? Ill let not having an answer to pain slide. Although cough...just see lelouchs response to schneizel if you want that one. Naruto didnt just suffer from power scaling madness in shippuden. It got hard carried by the villains and the protagonist was sidelined in order for this to be the case. Think about it. Whos got the better speches, madara and obito...or the mc naruto? Exactly.
Your argument is disproven bcz talk no jutsu
You just want the villain to be right atp
@OctupleEntedre no. Can you read? Lelouch gave compelling but basic answers to the exact same scenarios naruto faced. Lelouch vs schneizel is naruto vs pain. Lelouch confronting charles is madara and obito vs naruto. Naruto experienced so much over the series and in the war arc he can't even give a valid answer to madara and obito. Hinata literally just slaps him and we move on
@@LuciferArc1 explain to me why obito is right Naruto entire ideology is no matter the depth of pain and suffering is to pull through anyone and anybody out of that same situation through light and hope the entire themes of hope over hypocrisy,talent comes a long waywith hardwork,and ending the cycle of hatred how was Obito with madaara right about putting everyone to sleep peacefully and having them dream forever until they die then why throughout the entire series did obito get proven wrong with persistence and Madaara is just as good as example bcz he ends up getting betrayed anyways with black zetsu so nothing really matter bcz zetsu just wanted madaara’s peaks and was using him all this time to take over the ninja world
@OctupleEntedre bruh. You've never watched code geass. The villains were not correct. Go watch lelouch confronts Charles on youtube, then go watch lelouch confronts schneizel. I'm saying naruto should have had a valid ideological response and he didn't. That was my issue. Despite his growth he had nothing to say to counter his oppositions ideology. Lelouch had counters to the same questions naruto was faced with. They weren't complicated either. Naruto should have been able to respond to madara and obito on an equal footing after all of his experiences. Yet we get hinata slapping him instead
Powerscaling of narutard is garbage. Stupid eyes beat everything until reincarnated gods show up out of nowhere
Lol guess you didn't watch naruto then
@@redninja3056 Got nothing to say lil narutard? Don't even know what kind of garbage u watched?
Baring the last arc of jjk where binding vows were spammed and all understanding of equivalent exchange the underlying principle behind binding vows was thrown out the window jjk does a phenomenal job of having a bunch of techniques and magic abilities that counter each other and work in unison. There are 3 core principles. An ability that basically has the potential to defy the laws of physics, the ability to reverse something, so rct and other abilities like gojos red and kenjaku being able to reverse his technique in his fight, and barriers. Barriers are much more widely used and that’s a good thing because cursed energy and barriers are what most sorcerers have access to. Rct is even more coveted because it allows you to heal, only the strong of the strong have that. Something that usually is given to everyone including mc is saved for the very very end of the series and is not only costly but is sparingly used. Reversing your technique toe essentially give yourself double the reality bending abilities and versatility is only shown by TWO characters, maybe 3 if yuki used it to do a black hole, I’m not sure. But that’s very few people and these are very clearly people who are skilled and very mature in the scope of the story. The strongest of the strong. Barriers are seemingly usable by many people but only a few can truly master them and cast a domaine expansion or set conditions for their barriers that allow them to achieve certain feats like what gojo did in his fight with sukuna. Even then, some of his control is only possible because he saw a previous demonstration of it. There is very clearly a level of talent written into the story. Yuji is brimming with talent. Megumi very clearly is not. He struggles a lot and stays stagnant. But Megumi is also very calculated. He embodies a lot of the strategic side of battle. This is evident in his battle in shibuya with yuji, his battle against Toji, and in the culling games his tactical abilities are on full display where as yuji has some battle iq but it’s nothing like megumis. He needs mechamaru to coach him in order to stand a chance against Choso but is ultimately cornered and loses. Bonding vows are a very good addition to the series and up until shinjiku were used very well. Sparingly used by all walks of characters. From the greatest like sukuna and kenjaku also by yuta to someone who is skilled but not the most powerful like nanami.
We also see binding vows that give people like Toji and maki their power but were involuntary. There are multiple phenomenon that aren’t explain b ur we expect to be fleshed out down the line. The world has mystery but also seems structured and logical. Another thing. jjk is very engaging because the disaster curses, geto and later kenjaku and even sukuna in yuji. Are all lurking around the world and could cause serious destruction at any time and there is one character that is stopping that. Gojo satoru. He could go and combat them at any time but he doesn’t. We are given heavy insight into his character so even though we don’t know why we can clearly see it’s not as simple as going and beating someone’s ass. It’s about playing your cards right. It’s political. Gojo also wants to change the jujutsu world but he doesn’t outright kill the higher ups until later. But then when we see maki kill her clan, it’s a changing point. All the plot points weave together with the pacing and progression of the story world and characters and their respective arcs. The power system reflects that. We don’t see many domain expansions until later in the series. they are used sparingly. We don’t see a lot of rct until later in the series. They are used sparingly. Bending vows aren’t used until the end of the series, even if the use of them toward the end is dogshit and cheap. 80% of the powers and systems used in jjk were there after the first few arcs “first season of anime” and most of the plot points were set in motion and not sprung on us. Even plot points like kenjaku and his plans were set in motion, we saw he had stitches that detail was very clearly noticeable on kenjaku face. And in the jjk zero movie we get to see a time before geto was killed. And with the flashback we see how hero’s arc played out. How the gens influence in th e jujutsu world lead to a major change in both gojo, the pinnacle of the power system and geto who is now closely tied to the major villain of the series.
Jjk is an example of a good power system that uses spacing of characters, spacing of ideas and the progression and pacing of the story to allow normally unbalanced and dangerous things to all exist at the same time. Why doesn’t gojo just kill jogo, he is a playful person and he doesn’t know what’s coming, he is characteristically childish so it makes sense he is very lax when there aren’t civilians around. But when he is in shibuya he is very clearly stressed and straight to business’s while still having fun he is easily killing hanami. And he gets captured just the same with a prison realm. Which also signifies that they cannot kill gojo, they only deal him. Gojo is the key to everything. After gojo is sealed kenjaku gets to moving. He’s a villain but doesn’t necessarily want to kill people. He wants to create something and he gets right to work. As soon as Gojo is sealed the disaster curses are wiped out in the fall out of shibuya. These end game level threats are no longer present but new threats less primal, human threats are running around. But they don’t want to kill people’s they want to distort the world and cause a catastrophic event. And they succeed in basically sending the world into chaos. And their momentum is again only stopped when Gojo returns. To say the way the power system and the “Pandora’s box” of what can’t this happen, or why don’t they just do this isn’t handled extremely well in jjk up until the final arc is really unbelievable because it’s executed really well. Every tool has its place and is used at the right time and place in the story. Again barring the final arc which is a real let down.
Watch JoJo, then you can critique it for the right reasons at least
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I think the main problem lies in authors creating ridiculous power systems to out-ridiculous other fictional power systems because fandoms tend to fan the flames of the whole competeverse aspect of fiction in general. Everything has to eventually get to a “Vs. Dragonball” or “Vs. Superman” level of incomprehensible stupidity because competition.
Characters lessen meaningful engagement within their own universe and just use them more as a stepping stone to measure up to/surpass characters in a completely unrelated one to see who has the biggest dick.
At least, that’s what it feels like a lot of the time, imo.
I think Attack on Titan's power system has some inconsistencies, but it's still far better than most stories.
How odd. Everyone’s a writer here. I mean, talentless writers, but writers nonetheless.
14:10 guys... i dont think he likes the cell saga.... or the buu saga... or all of super.... damn
11:49 hyperdrive was always entering a dimension and exiting on the other side of the galaxy but disney is rtard