Double sided tape under the rails helps with a lot of the problems. And definitely buy better wood screws from the hardware store like you said. I tend to seat mine just a touch farther in then you do, never have wheel bite problems that way.
Back in the day there were screws in two parts: the screw and a nut that was a cilinder and flat on the top. Those tend to get less loose. But you do need a drill to install them. Otherwise i would use a drill screw probably not bothering making the hole prior. Making a hole makes eaiser got the screw to get loose. That depends on the width of the screws, too thick could break the wood, but in laminated i don't think is a worry. To make the rails don't move when installing them you could use a hold or press. Some people add strong glue so the rails will not move. I think you forgot to mention a detail which is when the rails are thicker or higher you can install them more to the edge. If they are thinner you would need to install them more to the inside, where you find the spot the graphic or the deck are free with a ruler.
Im just trying em out because i got a pair cheap and i think they look nice. Video and comments made me realize i need some better screws and a bit of tape/glue
Experienced all of these first hand. Imo rails are for if you can A. do boardslides (I cannot) or B. do grab tricks (I can kinda). The installation process was HELLISH so I'm going to hold off on rails until I achieve either A or B.
@@notgavin7039 nobody does at first. i couldnt weld worth a damn even after 9 months of school. it took a few years in the field. these are the things men have to learn . just basic use of tools not welding lol
I strongly recommend rails. They're really good for boardsliding on concrete, curbs, or unwaxed rails. The only problem I have them with is that they don't boardslide on wood, infact they dig into wood. But that could come down to the rails being flat. So maybe filing them to a more rounded shape might help. But yeah, they're great for boardies, and make transitions into feebles, hurricanes, etc, a lot easier. Plus I believe they give the board more strength
@@slowrider916 i bought some rib bones from socal skate shop they came with wood screws. but you could easily get sex bolts at hardware stores etc. i use them for leather projects i do. that would be pretty cool actually , i might do it lol
@@YaNeK92 uh im not sure. the only reason i said that is because so many things have been tried and failed. maybe thats a new idea. would they be durable enough? what about splintering? make some if you can and we can test them out or let me know how they worked . i would try them. im not willing to pay more than 15 bucks for rails
i like rails. i don't have them on all of my setups though. not all rails are made equal, but i've heard good things about Pig, Welcome, and Lil Jawns rails. i usually DIY my own rails from old uhmwpe cutting boards. posted a video making some. i prefer to use drywall screws to attach them, and break/grind off the excess that sticks through. they slide more predictably and faster with less effort, which is a good way to get smoked if you don't ease into it. rails distribute the force of impact on the board. i'm 6'3, 225 and without rails i'm rolling the dice every time i board/lipslide whether or not i'm going to break my board without rails.
@@chrhadden i tried to make some thinner ones, but the heat from the friction of the saw warped them. they'd be fine at full thickness, but it's like 7/16"
@@diplenski ok when i cut the risers i used a 4 inch grinder with a saw blade and it didnt warp but they are wider 7/16 is almost a half inch. i guess that is a little thick. sanding them would take forever and probably warp them too. i have an old set of rib bones you can have screw it
it didnt used to be a question asked. when it became one, the last thing i like about rails is they protect the graphic. people that dont know they are good for airs need to quit blocking the ramps and start skating them!
Powell's rib bones and bolts are the best plus double sided tape under them. It's also a good idea to counter sink the board or the back of the rails which allows the rails to sit flat on the deck. There's always debris the first time you screw them in.
Use double sided tape it works the best to keep the deck rails in place. Well, you screw a man. I’ve never had any stripping from using the double sided tape either.
He does they just don't count. They're ppl online who can hold a boardslide with rails literally for as long as they want. They're like training wheels.
It forms the same functions, you approach the trick the exact same way and depart the trick the same way. Unless youre up there with lotion and and a time magazine making margaritas ..its the same fucking thing. What it comes down to is friction reduction and that doesnt make hold up to whether a trick counts or not.
Double sided tape under the rails helps with a lot of the problems. And definitely buy better wood screws from the hardware store like you said. I tend to seat mine just a touch farther in then you do, never have wheel bite problems that way.
Yes double side tape and cyanocrylate glue to stick screws and no more problems ;)
They used to make lil sticky grip pads you could strategically place on your board for grabs. They pretty much make that spot un-slideable tho.
Ripgrip and Alva-grip
Rip-Grip!
I used a couple command strips in-between the rails and board and it helped tremendously! ive also got some sweet pull tabs now lol
Good idea 👍
Back in the day there were screws in two parts: the screw and a nut that was a cilinder and flat on the top. Those tend to get less loose. But you do need a drill to install them. Otherwise i would use a drill screw probably not bothering making the hole prior. Making a hole makes eaiser got the screw to get loose. That depends on the width of the screws, too thick could break the wood, but in laminated i don't think is a worry.
To make the rails don't move when installing them you could use a hold or press. Some people add strong glue so the rails will not move.
I think you forgot to mention a detail which is when the rails are thicker or higher you can install them more to the edge. If they are thinner you would need to install them more to the inside, where you find the spot the graphic or the deck are free with a ruler.
Im just trying em out because i got a pair cheap and i think they look nice. Video and comments made me realize i need some better screws and a bit of tape/glue
I have had several issues with the Santa Cruz screws. But the screws that come with Pig rails are pretty good.
Facts. Although i feel like Pig's wear out faster.
this channel is gas keep making content please and thank you
Experienced all of these first hand. Imo rails are for if you can A. do boardslides (I cannot) or B. do grab tricks (I can kinda). The installation process was HELLISH so I'm going to hold off on rails until I achieve either A or B.
its not hellish for a real boy
@@chrhadden cool good for u 👍
@@notgavin7039 i mean cmon hellish?
@@chrhadden I haven't spec'd that much into the handy man class so :/
@@notgavin7039 nobody does at first. i couldnt weld worth a damn even after 9 months of school. it took a few years in the field. these are the things men have to learn . just basic use of tools not welding lol
I believe they had like a "grip pads" for grabs. Probably on eBay or something.
I strongly recommend rails. They're really good for boardsliding on concrete, curbs, or unwaxed rails. The only problem I have them with is that they don't boardslide on wood, infact they dig into wood. But that could come down to the rails being flat. So maybe filing them to a more rounded shape might help. But yeah, they're great for boardies, and make transitions into feebles, hurricanes, etc, a lot easier. Plus I believe they give the board more strength
Liam can you make an Invert Tutorial???
it will happen
Meanwhile me having no issues with rails (grey stanta Cruz Slim the same ones ) did you try to predrill the holes ?
Ya i did. They Still came loose tho
Which deck ist this?
I used to run rat nuts when I used rails way back when. Drills through the deck, doesn't loosen like a screw
you mean sex bolts? lol powell brand rails called them rat nuts i remember that. one side is the girl the other is the boy
@@chrhadden yup, that's them, apparently they don't make 'em anymore
@@slowrider916 i bought some rib bones from socal skate shop they came with wood screws. but you could easily get sex bolts at hardware stores etc. i use them for leather projects i do. that would be pretty cool actually , i might do it lol
@@chrhadden oh ***t, it never occurred to me that I could pick them up somewhere else, I thought "sex bolts" was a brand name, thanks!
@@slowrider916 anything for a member bro
what heels have you got?
wheels? they're slimeballs, he's got a video on them. something like "the best wheels ever"
Just the two on the backs of my feet. Why?
I clamp them down, which gets rid of the gap, then put the screws in
same, working from the middle out with the screws irons them out too
Sounds like carbon fiber rails would be a sweet addition 😎👌🏽
probably to expensive
@@chrhadden Hypothetically, if you were to buy some, what's the least and most you'd expect to pay for a set?
@@YaNeK92 uh im not sure. the only reason i said that is because so many things have been tried and failed. maybe thats a new idea. would they be durable enough? what about splintering? make some if you can and we can test them out or let me know how they worked . i would try them. im not willing to pay more than 15 bucks for rails
@@chrhadden I appreciate your feedback bro, cheers! :)
What wheels are you riding?
Slime ball
Ben degros uses a drill to install rails. I trust him and Ive done it to several of my boards and never had an issue with them coming loose
i like rails. i don't have them on all of my setups though. not all rails are made equal, but i've heard good things about Pig, Welcome, and Lil Jawns rails. i usually DIY my own rails from old uhmwpe cutting boards. posted a video making some. i prefer to use drywall screws to attach them, and break/grind off the excess that sticks through. they slide more predictably and faster with less effort, which is a good way to get smoked if you don't ease into it. rails distribute the force of impact on the board. i'm 6'3, 225 and without rails i'm rolling the dice every time i board/lipslide whether or not i'm going to break my board without rails.
thats funny you said that i made a set of risers from a cutting board recently
@@chrhadden i tried to make some thinner ones, but the heat from the friction of the saw warped them. they'd be fine at full thickness, but it's like 7/16"
@@chrhadden what do you mean double them up?
@@diplenski never mind i comprehended that completely backwards.
@@diplenski ok when i cut the risers i used a 4 inch grinder with a saw blade and it didnt warp but they are wider 7/16 is almost a half inch. i guess that is a little thick. sanding them would take forever and probably warp them too. i have an old set of rib bones you can have screw it
Damn, I love Moose decks. Best value out there!
No it's not lol. That doesn't even make sense
it didnt used to be a question asked. when it became one, the last thing i like about rails is they protect the graphic. people that dont know they are good for airs need to quit blocking the ramps and start skating them!
Powell's rib bones and bolts are the best plus double sided tape under them. It's also a good idea to counter sink the board or the back of the rails which allows the rails to sit flat on the deck. There's always debris the first time you screw them in.
If you predrill the holes for the screws it helps eliminate the rip out problems.
Double sided tape for the win.
w vid
I like em.
Use double sided tape it works the best to keep the deck rails in place. Well, you screw a man. I’ve never had any stripping from using the double sided tape either.
The truth about rails is they make your board slides not count
Yep and cups make your drink not count 🙄
I guess Andy Anderson doesn't do board slides then, lol.
He does they just don't count. They're ppl online who can hold a boardslide with rails literally for as long as they want. They're like training wheels.
@@scramblesbuyday evebtually they stop...like it wood with would. Your arguement doesnt hold up.
It forms the same functions, you approach the trick the exact same way and depart the trick the same way. Unless youre up there with lotion and and a time magazine making margaritas ..its the same fucking thing. What it comes down to is friction reduction and that doesnt make hold up to whether a trick counts or not.
I think they are STUPID! NOT COOL AT ALL! Real tech skaters don’t need that crap.
ok and