Im about to go from 8.75 to 8.5 with Ace 66....I don't flip my board and I love the wheels poking out a little so i can see them when getting into grinds etc. All about the low, wide setup !
Bro...thank you so much for what you do. Not only are your videos informative, but the fact you break stuff down in actual applicable ways without being imposing or over the top is what sets you aside feom the others. I skate a lot of freestyle and truck size is absolutely crucial and under-rated in street skating. I still skate my slappy curb from your how to video. You are doing a great service to the skate community.
I was watching this video on another device. When I read your comment, I immediately grabbed my phone and signed into YT just say how much I agree with you! That was my default ideal setup. Oddly enough, Thunder says 148s fit 8.25" boards
@@StreetWarrior24What size do you suggest is good with 148's? I recently bought a full setup downsizing from an 8.5 with 149 indy's to 148 thunder hollows and an 8.25 14.25 wheelbase, 52 mm wheels and i't feels really off, putting bigger wheels on sorted out the ghost pop but it's still not the perfect setup i thought it would be. Thanks
I used to try to “rail match” the axel to the deck, but Ishod and Ben Degros both skate trucks that are slightly narrower than their boards. When I tried it, I found it helped me with landing kickflips. It all depends on your goals and preferences.
Sure, but it helps to have a standard/average to go for when you’re rather new. Especially when someone is getting their first ever replacement for trucks or a board which I think this video is really helpful for. When you’re a bit more experienced you’ll be able to cater to personal reasoning and preferences a lot more.
Me too. I put Indy 169's under everything. Have tried all the others & different sizes but always go back to 169. Riding the last while under an 8.75 deck. Seems to be the sweet spot for me
I tried Louie and Mason’s setup with having a quarter size larger trucks than the deck. I learned that popping treflips are much easier for height opposed to those who are used to scooping them and saying that it helps to size a quarter down if you choose to scoop your treflips. BUT this can only work with trucks that bring in your wheelbase like Indy’s, ACE, and Slappy trucks
Wheelbase actually makes the most difference in turning and everything! In the last year i rode 8.0, 8.25, and 8.7 and makes very little difference but i borrowed a 8.5 longer deck longer wheelbase and it made it so hard to skate for me
i mean 86a bottom bushing and 91a top bushing will definitely change the characteristic of any truck...even the indy stage 4...and i DOUBT many ppl that bought the stage 4...that didnt like the soft stock bushings...considered going to something like 86a bottom 90-92a top. Its what i feel like a lot of skaters dont really realize...even when comparing the characteristics of a thunder vs a cylinder bottom venture...im sure a full conical/thunder kit on ventures would totally change how they feel or some of ppls opinions about them for the better
I've been skating for 5 months at the age of 32. I originally had an 8.5 deck with 8 trucks, but I didn't consider the size difference when I used trucks from an 8 deck. After watching this video yesterday, I switched to a size 8 deck with 8.25 trucks, and I felt more stable after making adjustments. I was even able to drop in from a 5-foot ramp yesterday. That's the tallest I've done so far. I'm not sure if the bigger trucks helped with the drop-in, but they definitely made me feel more stable and confident on the board. I appreciate the advice, and when I start making my own videos, I'll be sure to give you a shout-out.
You and Al are big reasons why I got AF1s in the first place. Best looking and best turning truck and I love both of you guy's skating. I've been experimenting with Thunders, Ventures and Tensors over the past year though too and ended the year having last skated Ventures. But now I'm back and feeling like I'm done experimenting and have settled on 55 AF1s on a 8.625" deck although they are currently sat on an 8.5 and it definitely feels like there's just a tiny bit of axle missing for it to sit just flush with the deck. I mean that could of course also be the deck, they aren't always the exact width they claim to be either. Personally I've been riding the Hard replacement bushings because I'm Big Al sized and I just feel like I just need that extra stability but still have the weight to get a good turn out of them.
Great info Zack. I see skateshops sell the wrong size trucks to kids when they get completes ALL the time, so it's great that you're putting this info out here. I just recently saw a kid at the park who had just had a shop set a complete for him. They put indy 139's on like at least an 8.5 board(might have been bigger even). It was ridiculous. I asked the kid to ride his board. It turned so wrong and when you were riding it , it felt like a hoverboard the wheels were so far in. It felt so unstable. That's not gonna help that kid learn to skate at all. That's just an example, but I see it a lot. I like to just see the edge of my wheels. Fantastic video man!
it's personal preference, and you can get used to anything. wider trucks are more stable, narrower trucks are lighter and easier to flip/scoop. i used to ride 7.5"-7.6" boards with 7.5"-7.65" trucks in the '90s. as i started skating wider boards but still had narrower trucks, as trucks generally last several decks, i just got used to it. wheel width makes a big difference too, i have a 10" board with 149(8.5") trucks and really wide old school wheels. it's still narrower than board but comfortable and works with the shape. i also have 8" boards with 8.25" trucks, and 8.25" boards with 139(8") trucks.
Oh yeah that reminds me my friend had a board that was original 9.0 with a 144 and a 129 Indy on it then he went down to 8.5 but I gave him the hangers from my old 159 so it’s all good now
Shops just want to sell product! Most could give a shit what they sell kids (zumiez)and I’ve seen it so much in my life. We are the old skaters that need to help the young with these decisions as I had a few in the 80’s help me as a teen. Luckily, the guy that owned our local shop in Pascagoula, Ms. “ Steve’s SouthCoast”; He was a surfer/skater from Cali that was genuine trying to help us and would loan you product even till he could order what you really needed if it was out of stock.#DirtySouth#Thanks,SteveByars#Steve’sSouthCoastSurf&Skate#🛹❤️🤘🏻
Stupid.. Just a commercial fad of having to take 8.25 trucks for an 8.25 or 8.5 board. When we look, before 2017 (I think), many skaters either had to choose between 139 or 149. Many street skaters have long ridden small trucks with an 8.25 and 8.5 (Andrew Reynolds for example) And it worked very well. I don't understand the fact of wanting to make trucks between the two sizes, when it's a few millimeters.. And on the contrary, for the kids, it will be easier for them to have small trucks on a board wide, much easier for flip tricks! I see tons of kids starting skating and taking an 8.25 with wide trucks, and having a lot of trouble doing their flip tricks.. After all, OBVIOUSLY it's a personal preference ! But I'll always laugh when some people say that small trucks don't go with a wider board ahah
I like your videos, but I think your video would be better if it were something along the lines of “Why I prefer to size up my trucks.” I don’t like that you suggest that sizing your axle size to your board size is incorrect just because it’s your own personal preference. For someone who skates more flip trick oriented skating, having your axles stick out wider than your board isn’t ideal. Axles sticking out can kind of get in the way of slappies and wall rides as well. You’re definitely onto something when you say that having bigger trucks than your board make it feel more stable. It reduces the amount of leverage you get by leaning and gives you more precise control over your weight distribution. The extra precision comes at the cost of responsiveness. The opposite example of your skateboard is a polarizer. Those boards are 6 inches and have 4.5 inch trucks. The reason they are so squirrelly is because the extra leverage of the board over the wheels makes the turning extra sensitive. In this case, its extra responsiveness comes at the cost of precision. Just think of a diving board. If you only take a step or two out past the ladder and jump, the diving board isn’t going to spring up and down as much. But if you step out all the way to the end, the board becomes much more springy with even the slightest press of your feet. When it comes to skateboards turning (grinding is a whole other story), having your board smaller than your trucks is essentially chopping down your diving board so that you have more smooth and precise movements. That’s cool if it’s what you like, but I want my board to be more balanced. I think axle size should generally match up to board size when it comes to popsicle boards. But skateboarding is all personal preference. If you want your board more stable and precise, go with wider trucks. If you want quicker and more responsive turns, go smaller. But wouldn’t ever recommend anything over .25 inches wider or smaller. Tippy boards are weird. But then again, that’s just my personal preference. And since my comment is already too long, you kind of have incorrect information about wheelbases too. Ace trucks don’t actually make your wheelbase shorter. The axles would have to come down and sit past the baseplate and more towards the center of the board to do that. They only make your wheelbase shorter WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER TRUCKS LIKE THUNDERS (I’m not yelling, I just don’t know how to make words bold).
trucks narrower than board is easier to flip/scoop. it's personal preference, both setups (wide or narrow trucks) have their place and pros/cons. it's worth mentioning that wheel width matters too, as far as deck width vs wheel contact patch width(outer edge-outer edge)vs width of trucks. i have several setups and they're all over the place.
Dan Corrigan turned me on to wider trucks. 159 Indys or 151 Thunders on a 8.5 makes complete sens to me. Stability, real estate and overall skating looks better.
What about different trucks like the Venture Skateboard Trucks Kader Bloodshot V-Cast Hollow 5.8 (for 8.5" deck) with 54MM spitfire wheels? also dumb but are the independent and venture trucks I mentioned above “mid” or “high”? Which one is better?
I have been a lifelong Indy rider & I mean I’m. 50 years old and I tried ace trucks just on a win because I needed 166 and I didn’t like the Indy version so I tried them and I have to say I really really like them. I think I’m going to stay with them I have another board or the exact same board with Indies on them and I am trying out the comparison so we’ll see, but the one thing I keep going back to is the comfortability of Ace and it’s turnability. I know that’s not a word but I really like Ace and I like the way they turn. It’s hard, because independent has been all I ever knew I have tried other trucks, but nothing felt like Indies . I was out of the game from knee surgery and I quit skating for 15 years so I missed a lot of different things coming out. I’m a year back now so I’m trying everything. Love your channel man keep it up
So I’m finishing up the rest of the video and I noticed a couple things, first, you said, “I can’t really turn really good yet, but it’s because my bushings aren’t broken in”. And second, you said, “don’t tighten your trucks”, then you tightened yours two turns and suggested tightening them two more turns. This is where your theories about what’s what are proving themselves to be contradictory, and false, when actual physics are applied. Your board doesn’t turn well not because of your bushing not being broken in, otherwise you wouldn’t tighten them two turns and maybe even two more. You can clearly see when you are riding that the wider truck is more stable and thus doesn’t want to respond when you want to turn quickly. I can clearly see it’s the issue that hangs you up in several tricks you don’t ride away from because the truck lacks immediate responsiveness to your weight distribution and by the time it’s responding you’re already off balance because you were forced to over lean to try to get your truck to turn. I think at the end of the day, it’s more about your personal preference about how your board is supposed to look in your mind. And I agree, flushed up it looks nicer. I don’t think they skate as well for skaters who like their boards to be responsive, or for skaters who are flip trick or flat bar dominant skaters.
Dude wider trucks are better for any kind of rail skating or grinding in general. So what are you trying to say? I do flip tricks just fine with my trucks being flush.
Mikegrove agree with everything but the rail comment. More axle means larger area to land on, grind with, and to lock on and stay on. I found Nano Cubics helpful for this too, gives you more axle exposure and wheels cover axle nuts too if you need that flush effect. I have 8.5" Tensors on a 9" and flush
I skate a 8.125 boards for flipping in and out of tricks and 8.0 inde trucks with the "old cross logo that is a higher quality metal on ebay" with a slightly looser front truck so primo becomes impossible when skating sets. Indie trucks bushings are the best for the first few months, but if you want to pop flip out of ledges bones bushings are kings for that with the bounce they have. Also for breaking in bushings set it up super loose and sit at your computer desk and just rock the bushings back and fourth for a day while sitting to get them 100% broken in properly. Been skating for 24 years now take from this and the skate footage on my channel to judge for yourself.
Interesting... how does having a looser front truck make landing primo unlikely?.. I ride looser front as well, but I would call it tighter back/looser front as my reasons for doing so are completely different (greater power transfer when popping, easier to pop centered, prefer not to have to push hard on the wheel during krooks, and depending on much I weight the front truck I can adjust how quick a turn is). 20+ year gang as well✌
I absolutely don’t like seeing my wheels when I’m skating. It looks strange to me. I like my trucks to be the width of my board. I remember seeing an interview where Andrew Reynolds talked about his setup. The guy was still riding 139’s on an 8.5”, which that seems wild to me too. I’m back on Independents after skating the AF1’s for a while. I was having such an incredibly hard time with my flip tricks on the ACE’s. It could have also been that I was still on 14” WB boards. I may get a larger wheelbase at some point and add them on to that board.
my first real setup was a 7.4 "mini" fiberlight with 145 thunders so it was something that was a DAY 1 thing for me. I rode 139s and 147 thunders for a long time at 8-8.13 boards prior to riding my longest standing setup...159 indys and 6.1 ventures on 8.38 pops....and 8.75"+ shaped boards. At one time or another i had the 159s lying around from a shaped board...and just threw them onto the normal 8.38 id ride..and idk it just stuck once i paired them with the 99a SFW spitfires when those wheels first hit the scene. Since then ive tried 144 IKP mid indys and the 146 stage 4s as far as newer options...and even tried 149 titanium hollow thunders a while back just to see the hype/ceiling of something aimed towards BIG pop and something you could pop/get tech with on a steep/bank wall/cutty type situation where being able to balance/setup and pop came much easier. Whats ironic is the "hype" that had me considering the wider truck was a combination of nyjah saying he ran 149s on 8" saying the extra clearance was better for locking in and it inspired confidence in his "STYLE" which at the time/his comeback era...was pretty substantial while boasting running it exclusively with bones hards XD. To riley hawk talking about his setup at the time being 169 indys with 8.5" boards...and his ditch/pop to rail/ledge SKILLSET in the DITCH was pretty top NOTCH when he was really bursting into the scene. So i was definitely willing to explore this option. Aces IMO will have their drawbacks to most ppl used to other trucks/setups bc their bottom bushign is 86a and top is 91a...which completely chages how the board rebounds/reflects boardfeel to you as a skater. Not my cup of tea but to those able to adapt to it...theyre like a training tool forcing you to ride a certain way/land a certain way....and for me its not riding style/characteristics of what i look for
8.25" trucks (144 Independent) didn't exist at the time of this video ruclips.net/video/-4fMAmNlSfo/видео.html I skated 8" trucks with 8.25" boards for several years, it was good. And then I tried a 8.375" deck with those trucks, it was less stable when landings. I think it was within the size chart at the time I build the setup. Now I skate 8.5" trucks with a 8.375" board and 8.75" trucks with a 9" shaped board. I wonder if i will try 9.125" trucks. I prefer not to have too much play when locking grinds.
lots of comments about street setups already so I'll just add as a (sometimes) freestyler that when you set up a freestyle deck you want to get undersized trucks and offset wheels, ones where there is no wheel sticking out past the inside bearing and the outside bearing is seated deep into the wheel. And even then, ideally you should still have the width from wheel edge to wheel edge across the truck be a bit undersized so you can then use washers to push the wheels out until your board is perfectly balanced in rail. When I first got my board setup this way, I tried a kickflip and it landed primo and I perfectly stuck the landing. Currently skating a 7.3" freestyle deck with a set of Paris 108's, Powell Nano Cubic wheels, and about 7 washers on every axle. Honestly the trucks are right on the very brink of being too small, but I have just enough space left on the axle, and with the offset wheel, the nuts never touch the ground anyway, so I'm not too worried about them coming off even with them hanging on by about a thread and a half.
i'm more of the mindset of a slightly narrower truck than board for quicker turning. more leverage on edges of board to getting sharper turns. also less wheelbite, as angle from wheel edge to board has increased with shorter axle. big trucks are nice if you ride really loose trucks or big tranny skateparks(nice for the speed). my theory anyhoo. also i like compensating narrower trucks with larger wheels. i find even the biggest 60mm, even at 40mm wide, will still put you pretty close to true axle width (with wheel on), maybe a mm or two over.
I've always cranked down brand new trucks. I've always just dealt with blown bushings. Recently I tried bones extra hards on slappy inverted kingpins. And I don't think I'll go back. One thing ppl forget is bushings can and will lower or raise your truck height and wheelbase. Like bones on slappys lowers them just a bit and makes them feel like mindys. I've always gone even on my truck/board width. 8.5 on 8.5
Personally, hate the bones hardcore, and have a love/hate relationship with hard bushings. I'm tall, so I end up needing hard bushings, but hate how they feel once you start getting into the mid 90s. Venom was my fix for that, specifically their oversized bushings. The venom freeride, a stepped cone bushing, is my go-to board side for every setup I run. The extra material allows me to get a much softer bushing than a regular cone, have a nice soft/twitchy center that stiffens up enough to drop your full weight into a turn and not worry about wheelbite. Currently running the 87a HPF freeride on my tensors, and 88a SHR on my paris TKP, among others on my rkp boards.
for some reason the youtubes keeps recommending this dudes video's to me and ive watched a couple.. Guy has zero idea what he's talking about the majority of the time.
I tried 8.25 trucks to match my board when I was experimenting with board sizes. It was the weirdest thing, I felt really uncomfortable on a lot of tricks, particularly grinds. I felt a lot better when I switched 8.0 trucks on the 8.25 deck, and I think it has something to do with how I’m used to where the trucks lock into the edge of the wheels relative to the center line of the board. When I tried to lock in through muscle memory on the wider trucks, I would slip off, and when it was properly locked in against the inside of the wheel, it felt like I was too far into the ledge.
Yeah I've seen setup videos with Andrew Reynolds and Chris Cole, and they both ride decks with narrower trucks. If I remember correctly, Chris Cole even cited reasons similar to yours.
@@joshhenry2446 I got Aces on my park setup, I like them too. Gonna try Slappys next, I got a vert deck and a street deck that need trucks. Definitely getting them for the street setup anyway.
I’ve had the same pair of truck for 4 years, I’ve replaced my wheel nuts and axle nut’s several time and there loose now, any idea on what to do I want to keep my truck cause they already have my lock-in points ground into it
You’re absolutely right. My daughter has an 8.75 popsicle, and I put Indy 169’s on it. I also put my board on its side. If it doesn’t sit vertically perpendicular to the ground, the trucks are either too wide, or narrow
When does my stash of trucks get too crazy? Ace af1 44s, 55s. Ace Classic 55s. Thunder 149s and 161s. Independent stage 4 151s, tensor atg 5.75, mini logo 8.38. When will it end?
I ride a Santa Cruz/Santa Monica Airlines Natas Kaupus board with Thunder 151's which is exactly what Natas rode for his entire skateboarding career. Good enough for Natas, good enough for Bob.
When I started skating in the 90's I was riding 7.75" decks. For a while I ended up at 8.125" but now I'm at 8.5" and it feels absolutely perfect. I got a Zero deck that was ridden by one of the team riders. Right now I'm using my standard AF1 55's on it with Ace's hollow hardware, Bones Super Reds bearings, and some Bones wheels. For me it's the perfect setup. Ace makes the best truck (and Ive ridden so many different brands over the decades). Just looking at my board right now makes me want to skate again.
Have you tried the krux k5 dlk trucks at all? I'm looking to get back into the sport and i was recommended those. Kinda over thinking it right now i think lol.
Love this episode, truck talk I can listen to anytime. The part when the bushings were brought up. Im on the page of it's not the bushings getting use to you and your skating (after 5-10 seshes ) _ instead it's you in the process of or have become use to how the bushings feel and/or operate.....
There's no right or wrong when it comes to wide vs. narrow trucks on a skateboard. Both have their pros & cons and it's really personal preference. Wide trucks are: + More stable + Larger grinding surface area + Easier to get into grinds +- Some people like the "hooverboard effect" - Heavier - Less center of gravity so more difficult to scoop and flip tricks - Grinds aren't as centered vs. on narrow trucks, so lock ins theoretically feel better on a narrow truck There's a lot of pros who actually ride narrow trucks on their setup. Off the top of my head I know Andrew Reynolds and Nijah Huston do
I’ve been riding thunder 147s with 8.0 boards since 2011. I like for my trucks to feel flush with the board. I’m also more on the techy side of skating so I like a skinny board with low trucks
Hot tip for your drill Zack. Get a 1/4" socket driver for the drill and use a socket to turn the nuts instead of turning the screws. This will keep your screws from stripping and keep your griptape in good shape 👍
The wheels matter a bunch too, some have the bearings closer together when seated, some further apart. Not by much but prob a mm or so variation. Having your wheels be closer in than the edge pf your deck makes flips easier. Wider trucks make getting into grinds easier. There's tradeoffs to both. What do you like?
I actually like the hovering effect.. I feel as if the turn is a bit whippy! Stage IV 151s on 9" board.. I do have the double washers against hanger as well!
thats interesting. I usually like having my front truck a little looser than the back. It always works well for me. I may try your way just to see how I like it
I saw a person who in 2000's had curser board trucks on a 10 inch wide modern 1990's and newer board and his wheels were fully over the edge of board. What his setup allowed was also switch out on downhill and for bowls/similar his regular 55--56 mm wheels for 60 mm+ downhill wheels and have no wheel bite at all. On his board he used a piece of skinny copper/brass pipe on bord as a spacer when using regular trick wheels. The guy did his becuse SUV/filming trucks and boards were not really a thing invented or could get parts for yet like in 2010's so he used his board in such a way he could have one board for both downhill and tricks only needing downhill wheels when doing downhill.
I agree wider is generally better. I moved up to Indy 169s on my 9.0 and its super comfortable. I actually tried the extreme opposite direction. Have you seen the Blockhead Stripmall Surfers? I saw the concept and put Ace 00s on a 10.0 and honestly its crazy fun. I think its a different style though. I dont do all my tricks on it but the fun factor is there.
This depends greatly on your style. If you do freestyle you want the outside of the wheel s inside the edge of the board (as you mentioned) but you also might want that if you are a Mullen or Anderson copycat. There are probably some other details I don’t know either. This video has me thinking I might need multiple setups for the style I am trying to cultivate.
what i do is i put three speed rings or washers between my hanger and my bearings. i used to ride the next truck size up so like an 8.75 truck on an 8.5 deck but with a larger truck, the weight is spread out and it doesnt flip as easily anymore. by putting those washers there it pushes out my wheels so theyre more flush with the board. i also dont strip my axle nuts as much because of it
I have 8.75 Slappys on an 8.5 board. I've heard people talk about skating flat bars and rails being easier on narrower trucks because it keeps your balance point more towards the center of the board. but I'm not a flat bar or rail skater so I like an eighth to a quarter inch wider trucks than the board I'm on.
my trucks are always weird, i’ve destroyed 3 bushings already, bones, thunder, and venture, i’m now using indy bushings, but they feel weird, it’s the blue ones
man I'm really jealous of that weather you got there, it's like 30F here in Germany. Also my feet are too big for my deck and my deck is too big for my trucks
I'm just getting back into skateboarding and got an 8.25 board but i only have 8 inch wide trucks, I normally like trucks to be the same size as the board, will the trucks be a problem?
I really appreciate your content. Getting back into skating again, I'm getting a reissue Powell Ripper Flight deck the specs say it's 9.7" I was going to put my indy 169's (9") thats just the widest I have. Do you think its worth just get some 10" ?
i skate mostly bowls and ramps. i got some indy 169 titaniums and they are all that. noticably lighter and so much more stability and control. ace was my second choice or 215s
Just spent the last two hrs settling up a deck bought a 8.75 my trucks were to small but I had another old set which was wider so I've done exactly what u have done on your other board lol cool
I grew up skating boards bigger than my trucks. I believe that use to be a lot more common than it is today. Andrew Reynolds’s (the boss) also does this. I ride a 8.5 with 8.25 trucks. At the end of the day though it’s all preference and depends on the type of skating you want to do
Really interesting. Noob question: So for an 8.5 deck I don’t get the AF1 55 (8.5)’s? I need to get the 60 (8.75)? I would like to practice slappies and grinds. Thanks!
Yuuup I size up my trucks like you. 👍 Always have, always will. Don't know why those recommendations are off by a size, but I refuse to participate 🤔😅 Great video, homie! 🤟
I grew up in the 2000s when you had to have 8 inch lows or nothing looked good and like right around like 2010 something happened and nobody carried them anymore you could only import them at 7.5. Nothing fit anybody. And a lot of people who didnt want to quit skateboarding went all the way up to 8.5 highs. I remember trying to relearn ollies and kickflips felt like rocket air for like 5 years. I still havnt tried the 8.25 but I think next year I'll try them out. There's gotta be a center of gravity in there somewhere.
I ordered a complete 8" from a place and it came with trucks for a 7.75". I kinda thought maybe they had a surplus of smaller trucks and they were pushing them off to people that wouldn't know any better as most skaters i know skate 8.5/.75". Went to the park one time and some guys were asking me why they were small. I like to do some freestyle primo junk and getting my board to sit flat vs slightly angled is so much better but my body's memory had to readjust.
I agree that your wheels are meant to sit evenly at the same edge as your deck. that's how I try to always set my boards up. but sometimes u use what you got. but that's the correct way and best set up at least to me. but I would argue it's also the correct fit. also how's you hand or thumb doing, I think it was your thumb?
I just got a Amazon Skateboard Its very Thin And The wheels arent so Good And i notice when i try and ollie It barely pops i dont know if its because of me 😂 The Board seems to close to the ground and also very wobbly any advice On what size board i should get to help me 😢
I also ride slightly wider trucks than the board. It because I want the wheels being flush with the board. 151 indys 8.75 on a 8.6 or ace classics 8.3ish on an 8.01. The wheelbase is my main focus as I prefer bigger ones than the "standard". The reason is I am a tall guy over six feet and 14 is too short. I used to buy wider boards and cut them to fit the wheels. I probably will have to do it again as it's not easy finding high 15 or 16 wheelbase boards.
I think it depends also on wheel size, not only trucks and board 🛹 But if your wheel will hang of the board ot can be a problem when you push as you might touch and fall. How many people, so many setups. Fly safe
A great way to fix squeaking noise in your bushings is to put bar soap shavings in the cups that hold them. Often times, it's your pivot cup so you should put a couple shavings in there too
Does anyone know what is the difference between classic and AF1? I really wanted to get AF1s but I like sizing threshold on classics better, going from 8.25 all the way to 8.75 which is the size difference which I am sometimes going all the way through up to 8.5, but I wouldn't mind trying bigger decks in future. In case I would go for AF1, do you guys think I should do 44 or 55?
Water doesnt blow out urethane bushings. Sun would destroy them over great lengths of time but water is fine. Its a non moisture absorbing compound. Same thing gets put on car parts as an upgrade from traditional rubber bushings. They are blown out, just has nothing to do with water bro. Itll definitely destroy a deck thats for sure😂 i hate a deck aftwr water exposure. 😵😵
Oh, and the way my shits set up, mf’s would get wheelbite on the simplest stuff lol, regular shuv off the curb and just eat everything on the ground 😂🤣 #LooseyGooseyBaby #RightFootForward 🤘🏽
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Im about to go from 8.75 to 8.5 with Ace 66....I don't flip my board and I love the wheels poking out a little so i can see them when getting into grinds etc. All about the low, wide setup !
Bro...thank you so much for what you do. Not only are your videos informative, but the fact you break stuff down in actual applicable ways without being imposing or over the top is what sets you aside feom the others. I skate a lot of freestyle and truck size is absolutely crucial and under-rated in street skating. I still skate my slappy curb from your how to video. You are doing a great service to the skate community.
I love thunder 149's on 8.25 boards with 52mm wheels, just feels so perfect
I was watching this video on another device. When I read your comment, I immediately grabbed my phone and signed into YT just say how much I agree with you! That was my default ideal setup. Oddly enough, Thunder says 148s fit 8.25" boards
@@StreetWarrior24What size do you suggest is good with 148's?
I recently bought a full setup downsizing from an 8.5 with 149 indy's to 148 thunder hollows and an 8.25 14.25 wheelbase, 52 mm wheels and i't feels really off, putting bigger wheels on sorted out the ghost pop but it's still not the perfect setup i thought it would be. Thanks
@@Artoflucabonimaybe the concave, steep tail/nose is your issue?
thats exactly what I ride.
Hollow lights?
I used to try to “rail match” the axel to the deck, but Ishod and Ben Degros both skate trucks that are slightly narrower than their boards. When I tried it, I found it helped me with landing kickflips. It all depends on your goals and preferences.
It’s all preference. I skate Indy 169 (9.125 axle width) on 8.5/8.6 decks. I definitely prefer to have my trucks wider than my deck.
Sure, but it helps to have a standard/average to go for when you’re rather new. Especially when someone is getting their first ever replacement for trucks or a board which I think this video is really helpful for. When you’re a bit more experienced you’ll be able to cater to personal reasoning and preferences a lot more.
Same! I got 159 standards on a 8.5 blank with 56 mm Snot pink swirls right now, and it's my favorite setup ever.
Me too. I put Indy 169's under everything. Have tried all the others & different sizes but always go back to 169. Riding the last while under an 8.75 deck. Seems to be the sweet spot for me
@@keithreynolds6359 I think the 8.75 might be my next pick to throw them on
I have Indy's hollow on my 8.5 with 58 spitfires. And thunder trucks and 56 slime balls 8.0
I tried Louie and Mason’s setup with having a quarter size larger trucks than the deck. I learned that popping treflips are much easier for height opposed to those who are used to scooping them and saying that it helps to size a quarter down if you choose to scoop your treflips. BUT this can only work with trucks that bring in your wheelbase like Indy’s, ACE, and Slappy trucks
Wheelbase actually makes the most difference in turning and everything! In the last year i rode 8.0, 8.25, and 8.7 and makes very little difference but i borrowed a 8.5 longer deck longer wheelbase and it made it so hard to skate for me
Agree!
Even more if they are venture trucks.
@@matts.8356 i was talking about deck width and lenght, never rode ventures only ACE
i mean 86a bottom bushing and 91a top bushing will definitely change the characteristic of any truck...even the indy stage 4...and i DOUBT many ppl that bought the stage 4...that didnt like the soft stock bushings...considered going to something like 86a bottom 90-92a top. Its what i feel like a lot of skaters dont really realize...even when comparing the characteristics of a thunder vs a cylinder bottom venture...im sure a full conical/thunder kit on ventures would totally change how they feel or some of ppls opinions about them for the better
I've been skating for 5 months at the age of 32. I originally had an 8.5 deck with 8 trucks, but I didn't consider the size difference when I used trucks from an 8 deck. After watching this video yesterday, I switched to a size 8 deck with 8.25 trucks, and I felt more stable after making adjustments. I was even able to drop in from a 5-foot ramp yesterday. That's the tallest I've done so far. I'm not sure if the bigger trucks helped with the drop-in, but they definitely made me feel more stable and confident on the board. I appreciate the advice, and when I start making my own videos, I'll be sure to give you a shout-out.
Always wax or speed cream your pivot cups for ultra quiet riding no matter the truck!
So true!! Forgot about this.
Also makes turning feel alot smoother
You and Al are big reasons why I got AF1s in the first place. Best looking and best turning truck and I love both of you guy's skating. I've been experimenting with Thunders, Ventures and Tensors over the past year though too and ended the year having last skated Ventures. But now I'm back and feeling like I'm done experimenting and have settled on 55 AF1s on a 8.625" deck although they are currently sat on an 8.5 and it definitely feels like there's just a tiny bit of axle missing for it to sit just flush with the deck. I mean that could of course also be the deck, they aren't always the exact width they claim to be either. Personally I've been riding the Hard replacement bushings because I'm Big Al sized and I just feel like I just need that extra stability but still have the weight to get a good turn out of them.
Stoked they worked out after some tinkering! I imagine the hard bushings make a lot of sense to counterbalance the weight.
Slappy Truck Co 🤫
Great info Zack. I see skateshops sell the wrong size trucks to kids when they get completes ALL the time, so it's great that you're putting this info out here. I just recently saw a kid at the park who had just had a shop set a complete for him. They put indy 139's on like at least an 8.5 board(might have been bigger even). It was ridiculous. I asked the kid to ride his board. It turned so wrong and when you were riding it , it felt like a hoverboard the wheels were so far in. It felt so unstable. That's not gonna help that kid learn to skate at all. That's just an example, but I see it a lot. I like to just see the edge of my wheels.
Fantastic video man!
it's personal preference, and you can get used to anything. wider trucks are more stable, narrower trucks are lighter and easier to flip/scoop. i used to ride 7.5"-7.6" boards with 7.5"-7.65" trucks in the '90s. as i started skating wider boards but still had narrower trucks, as trucks generally last several decks, i just got used to it. wheel width makes a big difference too, i have a 10" board with 149(8.5") trucks and really wide old school wheels. it's still narrower than board but comfortable and works with the shape. i also have 8" boards with 8.25" trucks, and 8.25" boards with 139(8") trucks.
Oh yeah that reminds me my friend had a board that was original 9.0 with a 144 and a 129 Indy on it then he went down to 8.5 but I gave him the hangers from my old 159 so it’s all good now
Shops just want to sell product! Most could give a shit what they sell kids (zumiez)and I’ve seen it so much in my life. We are the old skaters that need to help the young with these decisions as I had a few in the 80’s help me as a teen. Luckily, the guy that owned our local shop in Pascagoula, Ms. “ Steve’s SouthCoast”; He was a surfer/skater from Cali that was genuine trying to help us and would loan you product even till he could order what you really needed if it was out of stock.#DirtySouth#Thanks,SteveByars#Steve’sSouthCoastSurf&Skate#🛹❤️🤘🏻
Stupid.. Just a commercial fad of having to take 8.25 trucks for an 8.25 or 8.5 board. When we look, before 2017 (I think), many skaters either had to choose between 139 or 149. Many street skaters have long ridden small trucks with an 8.25 and 8.5 (Andrew Reynolds for example)
And it worked very well. I don't understand the fact of wanting to make trucks between the two sizes, when it's a few millimeters.. And on the contrary, for the kids, it will be easier for them to have small trucks on a board wide, much easier for flip tricks! I see tons of kids starting skating and taking an 8.25 with wide trucks, and having a lot of trouble doing their flip tricks.. After all, OBVIOUSLY it's a personal preference ! But I'll always laugh when some people say that small trucks don't go with a wider board ahah
I like your videos, but I think your video would be better if it were something along the lines of “Why I prefer to size up my trucks.” I don’t like that you suggest that sizing your axle size to your board size is incorrect just because it’s your own personal preference. For someone who skates more flip trick oriented skating, having your axles stick out wider than your board isn’t ideal. Axles sticking out can kind of get in the way of slappies and wall rides as well.
You’re definitely onto something when you say that having bigger trucks than your board make it feel more stable. It reduces the amount of leverage you get by leaning and gives you more precise control over your weight distribution. The extra precision comes at the cost of responsiveness. The opposite example of your skateboard is a polarizer. Those boards are 6 inches and have 4.5 inch trucks. The reason they are so squirrelly is because the extra leverage of the board over the wheels makes the turning extra sensitive. In this case, its extra responsiveness comes at the cost of precision.
Just think of a diving board. If you only take a step or two out past the ladder and jump, the diving board isn’t going to spring up and down as much. But if you step out all the way to the end, the board becomes much more springy with even the slightest press of your feet. When it comes to skateboards turning (grinding is a whole other story), having your board smaller than your trucks is essentially chopping down your diving board so that you have more smooth and precise movements. That’s cool if it’s what you like, but I want my board to be more balanced.
I think axle size should generally match up to board size when it comes to popsicle boards. But skateboarding is all personal preference. If you want your board more stable and precise, go with wider trucks. If you want quicker and more responsive turns, go smaller. But wouldn’t ever recommend anything over .25 inches wider or smaller. Tippy boards are weird. But then again, that’s just my personal preference.
And since my comment is already too long, you kind of have incorrect information about wheelbases too. Ace trucks don’t actually make your wheelbase shorter. The axles would have to come down and sit past the baseplate and more towards the center of the board to do that. They only make your wheelbase shorter WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER TRUCKS LIKE THUNDERS (I’m not yelling, I just don’t know how to make words bold).
Thank you for typing this out. If Reynolds and Ishod are "wrong" I don't want to be right.
trucks narrower than board is easier to flip/scoop. it's personal preference, both setups (wide or narrow trucks) have their place and pros/cons. it's worth mentioning that wheel width matters too, as far as deck width vs wheel contact patch width(outer edge-outer edge)vs width of trucks. i have several setups and they're all over the place.
I think that decks being 0.125" wider than axles is really nice.
Dan Corrigan turned me on to wider trucks.
159 Indys or 151 Thunders on a 8.5 makes complete sens to me.
Stability, real estate and overall skating looks better.
What about different trucks like the Venture Skateboard Trucks Kader Bloodshot V-Cast Hollow 5.8 (for 8.5" deck) with 54MM spitfire wheels?
also dumb but are the independent and venture trucks I mentioned above “mid” or “high”? Which one is better?
What are you meaning by real estate
Not good for flip tricks
@@encyclopediabrown1334 The grind surface is wider giving solide feel.
@@encyclopediabrown1334 Surface area. More wood/width, more surface area, hence the slang term "real estate".
I have been a lifelong Indy rider & I mean I’m. 50 years old and I tried ace trucks just on a win because I needed 166 and I didn’t like the Indy version so I tried them and I have to say I really really like them. I think I’m going to stay with them I have another board or the exact same board with Indies on them and I am trying out the comparison so we’ll see, but the one thing I keep going back to is the comfortability of Ace and it’s turnability. I know that’s not a word but I really like Ace and I like the way they turn.
It’s hard, because independent has been all I ever knew I have tried other trucks, but nothing felt like Indies .
I was out of the game from knee surgery and I quit skating for 15 years so I missed a lot of different things coming out. I’m a year back now so I’m trying everything.
Love your channel man keep it up
Keep it up brotha! 🤘
I hate when I can see my trucks and wheels when standing on my board like a damn monster truck 🛻
I love it I’m obsessed
So I’m finishing up the rest of the video and I noticed a couple things, first, you said, “I can’t really turn really good yet, but it’s because my bushings aren’t broken in”. And second, you said, “don’t tighten your trucks”, then you tightened yours two turns and suggested tightening them two more turns. This is where your theories about what’s what are proving themselves to be contradictory, and false, when actual physics are applied. Your board doesn’t turn well not because of your bushing not being broken in, otherwise you wouldn’t tighten them two turns and maybe even two more. You can clearly see when you are riding that the wider truck is more stable and thus doesn’t want to respond when you want to turn quickly. I can clearly see it’s the issue that hangs you up in several tricks you don’t ride away from because the truck lacks immediate responsiveness to your weight distribution and by the time it’s responding you’re already off balance because you were forced to over lean to try to get your truck to turn. I think at the end of the day, it’s more about your personal preference about how your board is supposed to look in your mind. And I agree, flushed up it looks nicer. I don’t think they skate as well for skaters who like their boards to be responsive, or for skaters who are flip trick or flat bar dominant skaters.
Dude wider trucks are better for any kind of rail skating or grinding in general. So what are you trying to say? I do flip tricks just fine with my trucks being flush.
If you feel it’s about personal preference, then why are you even interested in this video?
Mikegrove agree with everything but the rail comment. More axle means larger area to land on, grind with, and to lock on and stay on. I found Nano Cubics helpful for this too, gives you more axle exposure and wheels cover axle nuts too if you need that flush effect. I have 8.5" Tensors on a 9" and flush
Size down 1/4" and no primos.
I skate a 8.125 boards for flipping in and out of tricks and 8.0 inde trucks with the "old cross logo that is a higher quality metal on ebay" with a slightly looser front truck so primo becomes impossible when skating sets. Indie trucks bushings are the best for the first few months, but if you want to pop flip out of ledges bones bushings are kings for that with the bounce they have. Also for breaking in bushings set it up super loose and sit at your computer desk and just rock the bushings back and fourth for a day while sitting to get them 100% broken in properly. Been skating for 24 years now take from this and the skate footage on my channel to judge for yourself.
Interesting... how does having a looser front truck make landing primo unlikely?..
I ride looser front as well, but I would call it tighter back/looser front as my reasons for doing so are completely different (greater power transfer when popping, easier to pop centered, prefer not to have to push hard on the wheel during krooks, and depending on much I weight the front truck I can adjust how quick a turn is).
20+ year gang as well✌
I meant having the trucks slightly more narrow than the board prevents primo. @@TheRealWarez
I absolutely don’t like seeing my wheels when I’m skating. It looks strange to me. I like my trucks to be the width of my board. I remember seeing an interview where Andrew Reynolds talked about his setup. The guy was still riding 139’s on an 8.5”, which that seems wild to me too.
I’m back on Independents after skating the AF1’s for a while. I was having such an incredibly hard time with my flip tricks on the ACE’s. It could have also been that I was still on 14” WB boards. I may get a larger wheelbase at some point and add them on to that board.
my first real setup was a 7.4 "mini" fiberlight with 145 thunders so it was something that was a DAY 1 thing for me. I rode 139s and 147 thunders for a long time at 8-8.13 boards prior to riding my longest standing setup...159 indys and 6.1 ventures on 8.38 pops....and 8.75"+ shaped boards. At one time or another i had the 159s lying around from a shaped board...and just threw them onto the normal 8.38 id ride..and idk it just stuck once i paired them with the 99a SFW spitfires when those wheels first hit the scene. Since then ive tried 144 IKP mid indys and the 146 stage 4s as far as newer options...and even tried 149 titanium hollow thunders a while back just to see the hype/ceiling of something aimed towards BIG pop and something you could pop/get tech with on a steep/bank wall/cutty type situation where being able to balance/setup and pop came much easier. Whats ironic is the "hype" that had me considering the wider truck was a combination of nyjah saying he ran 149s on 8" saying the extra clearance was better for locking in and it inspired confidence in his "STYLE" which at the time/his comeback era...was pretty substantial while boasting running it exclusively with bones hards XD. To riley hawk talking about his setup at the time being 169 indys with 8.5" boards...and his ditch/pop to rail/ledge SKILLSET in the DITCH was pretty top NOTCH when he was really bursting into the scene. So i was definitely willing to explore this option. Aces IMO will have their drawbacks to most ppl used to other trucks/setups bc their bottom bushign is 86a and top is 91a...which completely chages how the board rebounds/reflects boardfeel to you as a skater. Not my cup of tea but to those able to adapt to it...theyre like a training tool forcing you to ride a certain way/land a certain way....and for me its not riding style/characteristics of what i look for
8.25" trucks (144 Independent) didn't exist at the time of this video ruclips.net/video/-4fMAmNlSfo/видео.html
I skated 8" trucks with 8.25" boards for several years, it was good. And then I tried a 8.375" deck with those trucks, it was less stable when landings. I think it was within the size chart at the time I build the setup.
Now I skate 8.5" trucks with a 8.375" board and 8.75" trucks with a 9" shaped board. I wonder if i will try 9.125" trucks. I prefer not to have too much play when locking grinds.
lots of comments about street setups already so I'll just add as a (sometimes) freestyler that when you set up a freestyle deck you want to get undersized trucks and offset wheels, ones where there is no wheel sticking out past the inside bearing and the outside bearing is seated deep into the wheel. And even then, ideally you should still have the width from wheel edge to wheel edge across the truck be a bit undersized so you can then use washers to push the wheels out until your board is perfectly balanced in rail.
When I first got my board setup this way, I tried a kickflip and it landed primo and I perfectly stuck the landing. Currently skating a 7.3" freestyle deck with a set of Paris 108's, Powell Nano Cubic wheels, and about 7 washers on every axle. Honestly the trucks are right on the very brink of being too small, but I have just enough space left on the axle, and with the offset wheel, the nuts never touch the ground anyway, so I'm not too worried about them coming off even with them hanging on by about a thread and a half.
i'm more of the mindset of a slightly narrower truck than board for quicker turning. more leverage on edges of board to getting sharper turns. also less wheelbite, as angle from wheel edge to board has increased with shorter axle. big trucks are nice if you ride really loose trucks or big tranny skateparks(nice for the speed). my theory anyhoo. also i like compensating narrower trucks with larger wheels. i find even the biggest 60mm, even at 40mm wide, will still put you pretty close to true axle width (with wheel on), maybe a mm or two over.
43mm bones stf ftw!
this topic was really interesting but i also really liked watching you put the board together.
I've always cranked down brand new trucks. I've always just dealt with blown bushings. Recently I tried bones extra hards on slappy inverted kingpins. And I don't think I'll go back. One thing ppl forget is bushings can and will lower or raise your truck height and wheelbase. Like bones on slappys lowers them just a bit and makes them feel like mindys. I've always gone even on my truck/board width. 8.5 on 8.5
Personally, hate the bones hardcore, and have a love/hate relationship with hard bushings. I'm tall, so I end up needing hard bushings, but hate how they feel once you start getting into the mid 90s.
Venom was my fix for that, specifically their oversized bushings. The venom freeride, a stepped cone bushing, is my go-to board side for every setup I run. The extra material allows me to get a much softer bushing than a regular cone, have a nice soft/twitchy center that stiffens up enough to drop your full weight into a turn and not worry about wheelbite.
Currently running the 87a HPF freeride on my tensors, and 88a SHR on my paris TKP, among others on my rkp boards.
Venom bushings? I'll have to check them out. I ride hards bc at 220lbs they're the only ones that won't blow.
15:50 so satisfying to see you land that...love me some crazy loose trucks too
for the nuts with little space, you can invert the nut and the wheels will be more secure
He says I never change how tight they are for 5-10 sessions...then proceeds to tighten them right away. What a kook.
for some reason the youtubes keeps recommending this dudes video's to me and ive watched a couple.. Guy has zero idea what he's talking about the majority of the time.
I tried 8.25 trucks to match my board when I was experimenting with board sizes. It was the weirdest thing, I felt really uncomfortable on a lot of tricks, particularly grinds. I felt a lot better when I switched 8.0 trucks on the 8.25 deck, and I think it has something to do with how I’m used to where the trucks lock into the edge of the wheels relative to the center line of the board. When I tried to lock in through muscle memory on the wider trucks, I would slip off, and when it was properly locked in against the inside of the wheel, it felt like I was too far into the ledge.
This is the way.
Yeah I've seen setup videos with Andrew Reynolds and Chris Cole, and they both ride decks with narrower trucks. If I remember correctly, Chris Cole even cited reasons similar to yours.
I'm not sold on your theories on bushings I'm a huge fan of bones bushings but I do agree that ace has good bushings
I like 8.5 ace or slappy trucks and 8.38 inch board
Sounds perfect
How you liking the Slappys?
Slappys treated me well. They turn great. I’m skating ace now. Which are also good.
@@joshhenry2446 I got Aces on my park setup, I like them too. Gonna try Slappys next, I got a vert deck and a street deck that need trucks. Definitely getting them for the street setup anyway.
I’ve had the same pair of truck for 4 years, I’ve replaced my wheel nuts and axle nut’s several time and there loose now, any idea on what to do I want to keep my truck cause they already have my lock-in points ground into it
159s on an 8.5" deck with 60mm wheels, what do you think?
I like to skate a truck slightly smaller than my bird. Makes tre flips easier
You’re absolutely right. My daughter has an 8.75 popsicle, and I put Indy 169’s on it. I also put my board on its side. If it doesn’t sit vertically perpendicular to the ground, the trucks are either too wide, or narrow
Perfect timing! I was just looking at what size trucks I want for my 8.25 and I think I found the answer
Hope it helps!
When does my stash of trucks get too crazy? Ace af1 44s, 55s. Ace Classic 55s. Thunder 149s and 161s. Independent stage 4 151s, tensor atg 5.75, mini logo 8.38. When will it end?
I ride a Santa Cruz/Santa Monica Airlines Natas Kaupus board with Thunder 151's which is exactly what Natas rode for his entire skateboarding career. Good enough for Natas, good enough for Bob.
When I started skating in the 90's I was riding 7.75" decks. For a while I ended up at 8.125" but now I'm at 8.5" and it feels absolutely perfect. I got a Zero deck that was ridden by one of the team riders. Right now I'm using my standard AF1 55's on it with Ace's hollow hardware, Bones Super Reds bearings, and some Bones wheels. For me it's the perfect setup. Ace makes the best truck (and Ive ridden so many different brands over the decades). Just looking at my board right now makes me want to skate again.
Have you tried the krux k5 dlk trucks at all? I'm looking to get back into the sport and i was recommended those. Kinda over thinking it right now i think lol.
Love this episode, truck talk I can listen to anytime. The part when the bushings were brought up. Im on the page of it's not the bushings getting use to you and your skating (after 5-10 seshes ) _ instead it's you in the process of or have become use to how the bushings feel and/or operate.....
There's no right or wrong when it comes to wide vs. narrow trucks on a skateboard. Both have their pros & cons and it's really personal preference.
Wide trucks are:
+ More stable
+ Larger grinding surface area
+ Easier to get into grinds
+- Some people like the "hooverboard effect"
- Heavier
- Less center of gravity so more difficult to scoop and flip tricks
- Grinds aren't as centered vs. on narrow trucks, so lock ins theoretically feel better on a narrow truck
There's a lot of pros who actually ride narrow trucks on their setup. Off the top of my head I know Andrew Reynolds and Nijah Huston do
Agree
I ride 9’s with 54 full conical on a 10.5 welcome.
I carve a ton and too wide blows for that
I’ve been riding thunder 147s with 8.0 boards since 2011. I like for my trucks to feel flush with the board. I’m also more on the techy side of skating so I like a skinny board with low trucks
Hot tip for your drill Zack. Get a 1/4" socket driver for the drill and use a socket to turn the nuts instead of turning the screws. This will keep your screws from stripping and keep your griptape in good shape 👍
The wheels matter a bunch too, some have the bearings closer together when seated, some further apart. Not by much but prob a mm or so variation. Having your wheels be closer in than the edge pf your deck makes flips easier. Wider trucks make getting into grinds easier. There's tradeoffs to both. What do you like?
I actually like the hovering effect.. I feel as if the turn is a bit whippy! Stage IV 151s on 9" board.. I do have the double washers against hanger as well!
thats interesting. I usually like having my front truck a little looser than the back. It always works well for me. I may try your way just to see how I like it
When are you gonna set up the Manak deck?!
I saw a person who in 2000's had curser board trucks on a 10 inch wide modern 1990's and newer board and his wheels were fully over the edge of board. What his setup allowed was also switch out on downhill and for bowls/similar his regular 55--56 mm wheels for 60 mm+ downhill wheels and have no wheel bite at all. On his board he used a piece of skinny copper/brass pipe on bord as a spacer when using regular trick wheels. The guy did his becuse SUV/filming trucks and boards were not really a thing invented or could get parts for yet like in 2010's so he used his board in such a way he could have one board for both downhill and tricks only needing downhill wheels when doing downhill.
I use 7.75 deck with 169 trucks. It works fine but I might need to change the batteries soon.
I agree wider is generally better. I moved up to Indy 169s on my 9.0 and its super comfortable.
I actually tried the extreme opposite direction. Have you seen the Blockhead Stripmall Surfers? I saw the concept and put Ace 00s on a 10.0 and honestly its crazy fun. I think its a different style though. I dont do all my tricks on it but the fun factor is there.
I ride my front truck tighter to help learn switch tricks quicker. it takes some of the balancing away when you pop.
You would think getting the same size trucks as your deck it would be flush but I feel like you have to go an extra .25 for it to be even
I always set up the same. I can see the axle nut but my wheel edge is level with the edge of my board.
Best wishes for 2024 🙏♥️
My setup is shape 8.5 and truck 159mm wheels 58
This depends greatly on your style. If you do freestyle you want the outside of the wheel s inside the edge of the board (as you mentioned) but you also might want that if you are a Mullen or Anderson copycat. There are probably some other details I don’t know either. This video has me thinking I might need multiple setups for the style I am trying to cultivate.
what i do is i put three speed rings or washers between my hanger and my bearings. i used to ride the next truck size up so like an 8.75 truck on an 8.5 deck but with a larger truck, the weight is spread out and it doesnt flip as easily anymore. by putting those washers there it pushes out my wheels so theyre more flush with the board. i also dont strip my axle nuts as much because of it
Try the 'two top bushings' trick. It's like having shaved down or low bushings without the extra work.
1:36 its true. I landed my first primoslide on someone else’s board who had trucks smaller than his deck like that
What deck are you setting up there. Like thord colors and graphics
I have 8.75 Slappys on an 8.5 board. I've heard people talk about skating flat bars and rails being easier on narrower trucks because it keeps your balance point more towards the center of the board. but I'm not a flat bar or rail skater so I like an eighth to a quarter inch wider trucks than the board I'm on.
That makes sense, with flat rails. I’m with you though, not my expertise 😅
my trucks are always weird, i’ve destroyed 3 bushings already, bones, thunder, and venture, i’m now using indy bushings, but they feel weird, it’s the blue ones
man I'm really jealous of that weather you got there, it's like 30F here in Germany. Also my feet are too big for my deck and my deck is too big for my trucks
I like to crank my bushings down till they squirt out like play doh. Bam Margera style
I bought Thunder trucks Fall 86, the year they came out and' and mounted them on that black/paisley JFA -mini I bought that same day.
I'm just getting back into skateboarding and got an 8.25 board but i only have 8 inch wide trucks, I normally like trucks to be the same size as the board, will the trucks be a problem?
I used to ride smaller trucks than my board and it was actually really good for flip tricks.
Zack, I enjoy your videos man, thank you.
I really appreciate your content. Getting back into skating again, I'm getting a reissue Powell Ripper Flight deck the specs say it's 9.7" I was going to put my indy 169's (9") thats just the widest I have. Do you think its worth just get some 10" ?
You would be fine cause that board tappers to a 9"
It's just optics. When it comes down to the nitty gritty...wheels slightly outside or slightly inside the deck edge doesn't really matter imo.
Aces trucks are the best brand to dropped down on landing and more leverage in the air of control the defense and wider skateboard size
8’75 deck + 9’ trucks works perfect! Fitment is awesome, thanks 🫶
i skate mostly bowls and ramps. i got some indy 169 titaniums and they are all that. noticably lighter and so much more stability and control. ace was my second choice or 215s
Just spent the last two hrs settling up a deck bought a 8.75 my trucks were to small but I had another old set which was wider so I've done exactly what u have done on your other board lol cool
I grew up skating boards bigger than my trucks. I believe that use to be a lot more common than it is today. Andrew Reynolds’s (the boss) also does this. I ride a 8.5 with 8.25 trucks. At the end of the day though it’s all preference and depends on the type of skating you want to do
Really interesting. Noob question: So for an 8.5 deck I don’t get the AF1 55 (8.5)’s? I need to get the 60 (8.75)? I would like to practice slappies and grinds. Thanks!
Yuuup I size up my trucks like you. 👍 Always have, always will. Don't know why those recommendations are off by a size, but I refuse to participate 🤔😅 Great video, homie! 🤟
I grew up in the 2000s when you had to have 8 inch lows or nothing looked good and like right around like 2010 something happened and nobody carried them anymore you could only import them at 7.5. Nothing fit anybody. And a lot of people who didnt want to quit skateboarding went all the way up to 8.5 highs. I remember trying to relearn ollies and kickflips felt like rocket air for like 5 years. I still havnt tried the 8.25 but I think next year I'll try them out. There's gotta be a center of gravity in there somewhere.
I like the shape of the new deck,is that flip?
I ordered a complete 8" from a place and it came with trucks for a 7.75". I kinda thought maybe they had a surplus of smaller trucks and they were pushing them off to people that wouldn't know any better as most skaters i know skate 8.5/.75". Went to the park one time and some guys were asking me why they were small. I like to do some freestyle primo junk and getting my board to sit flat vs slightly angled is so much better but my body's memory had to readjust.
I have wider trucks i got 159 on a 8.5 and if you take out the top washers and make the kingpin flush its perfect
I saw that Jaime Foy also likes skating slightly wider trucks
I agree that your wheels are meant to sit evenly at the same edge as your deck. that's how I try to always set my boards up. but sometimes u use what you got. but that's the correct way and best set up at least to me. but I would argue it's also the correct fit. also how's you hand or thumb doing, I think it was your thumb?
in my experience, the skinnier the truck, the stiffer it feels. It only makes sense that the longer the axle, the more leverage it'll have.
I just got a Amazon Skateboard Its very Thin And The wheels arent so Good And i notice when i try and ollie It barely pops i dont know if its because of me 😂 The Board seems to close to the ground and also very wobbly any advice On what size board i should get to help me 😢
Recently picked up some 8.5 AF1's, I have them on an 8.25 and they fit flush. They look big, but they do fit.
Sounds like a good setup!
I also ride slightly wider trucks than the board. It because I want the wheels being flush with the board. 151 indys 8.75 on a 8.6 or ace classics 8.3ish on an 8.01.
The wheelbase is my main focus as I prefer bigger ones than the "standard". The reason is I am a tall guy over six feet and 14 is too short. I used to buy wider boards and cut them to fit the wheels. I probably will have to do it again as it's not easy finding high 15 or 16 wheelbase boards.
I think it depends also on wheel size, not only trucks and board 🛹
But if your wheel will hang of the board ot can be a problem when you push as you might touch and fall.
How many people, so many setups.
Fly safe
I was literally ordering bushings while I was watching this video and I decided to just not get the bushings. saved me $10 thanks bro.
Ace, peppper, next thing you know you will be riding Uma land sled decks! How many inches do you put your rails from the edge of your deck!
moisture shouldnt effect your bushings.. they blow out from over tightening or removing washers
Indy 149s on 8.25" decks work best for me. Tried Krux k5 8.25s but they felt to wonkey.
Soooo, no one's going to bring up that grip job.. cool cool cool.
A great way to fix squeaking noise in your bushings is to put bar soap shavings in the cups that hold them. Often times, it's your pivot cup so you should put a couple shavings in there too
Check out rip-tide pivot cups from decomposed skateboards. World of difference
I slammed some all purpose grease in mine
Gulf wax (paraffin wax for curbs, ledges, etc) also works
you guys don't just hock a loogey into them?? 😅
My street and all around set up is and 8.3-8.6 with Indy 149’s and 56 spitfire conical’s
I can’t stand too skinny of a truck on my deck. The axels *gotta line up with the edge of the board.
Does anyone know what is the difference between classic and AF1? I really wanted to get AF1s but I like sizing threshold on classics better, going from 8.25 all the way to 8.75 which is the size difference which I am sometimes going all the way through up to 8.5, but I wouldn't mind trying bigger decks in future. In case I would go for AF1, do you guys think I should do 44 or 55?
I actually want to change my bushings to bones hard cuz I’m a heavy guy… is this not correct ? I should just leave my Indy’s in there ?
Homie is lucky he isn’t heavy. As a chubby skater I have to get harder duro bushings. Thank God Khiro cushions worked well with my Aces.
I like WIDER Trucks too, with wheels sticking out from under the board a little........
Water doesnt blow out urethane bushings. Sun would destroy them over great lengths of time but water is fine. Its a non moisture absorbing compound. Same thing gets put on car parts as an upgrade from traditional rubber bushings. They are blown out, just has nothing to do with water bro. Itll definitely destroy a deck thats for sure😂 i hate a deck aftwr water exposure. 😵😵
I always ride 8.25 or 8.5 with Indy’s as wide as the deck. Yes, I do flip my board often.
Oh, and the way my shits set up, mf’s would get wheelbite on the simplest stuff lol, regular shuv off the curb and just eat everything on the ground 😂🤣 #LooseyGooseyBaby #RightFootForward 🤘🏽