Sadly, the biggest question wasn’t answered here, I get that it’s a difficult one, but for me it’s the most important one; longevity! I have a meater block and one probe is dead and another one detached the prob from the stick(it still work, but for how long) Used them maybe 30-40 times over the last 2.5 years They work good but at that price, I wouldn’t recommend them I’m hoping to find a tank of a probe more than a Ferrari. Btw I always hand washed my probes Thx for your work James
FYI, Combustion Inc probe has 8 sensors, not 4. The hardware also supports "mesh" networking with an extra thermometer(s) or the portable charger cases that can function as bluetooth relays to get you all the way to your front driveway. The app is much improved, with all 8 sensors reporting, carryover cooking estimations, etc...
Yes i added text to fix the error when i said 4.... i was told wifi is coming as well which will be a nice enhancement. glad to see it continues to get updates for even more performance
I have two combustion probes, one in FL and one in CO. My second one in CO was a pain because it didn’t have a very good range. I gave a bad review when requested from Combustion. I immediately received a please reach out to us email. After some back and forth I now understand that because my rotisserie was closed the range was limited. They suggested to place the reader closer to the grill and then it would connect to my iPhone with a better range. I was impressed that they were so quick to reply and I believe that the suggested fix will work. Looking forward to another summer cook of my best rotisserie chicken! A follow up. I’ve now done another cook using the base unit close to my grill as I did a rotisserie chicken. It works great with no problems sending and receiving all info.
I have had the MEATER block for a year or so now, it’s great on wifi, like James I use it with my watch, I work in emergency response and had to work last Christmas Eve/Day. I was able to monitor the cook I set up and call/message my dad who had no experience operating my offset and kamado and tell him what he needed to do so that the Christmas food was perfectly cooked. When I finished work and got home for lunch time all I had to do was … nothing but serve, Dad, my wife and the guests had it all sorted for me. Excellent product.
Just got my first Kamado Joe last weekend and last night, used the Meater+ the for the first time on a roast. Admittedly, I didn't read the directions thoroughly first but I found the app was so user friendly that I was able to get it to work and it produced a perfect cook on the roast. Didn't realize the range issue until it disconnected, but got back in range quickly and the results were fantastic. Been binge watching a lot of your videos as of late and tonight, first crack at pork baby back ribs (low and slow!). Appreciate all of your help and motivation, James!
Thrilled with your results because I just got a Meater Block for an early birthday present. I'm loving it so far. Glad to see that it's still your favorite as well! Thanks for the cool video.
I have had a Meater (not +), Meatstick X and now have a Tempspike. I really like the no whistles approach to the app on the Tempspike. The Meatstick X failed me completely with really bad reception and the Meater died after a year of use. The Tempspike just works flawlessly and there are no issues getting things set up initially or for each bbq session (the Meatstick X is extremely iffy getting to work)
I really do not understand the need for anything other than the temperature. Is it done or is it not done? That is all I need to know. I specifically picked the TempSpike so that I don't have to fuss with an app much.
Tried the Meatstick mini....then went with 2-probe Chef IQ (even smaller, good for chicken breats, salmon, and steaks under 2inches thick). You guys try the Chef IQ? I had better connectivity with it as compared with the Meatstick app. FYI. If you go with Chef IQ do keep in mind the 1-probe Hub version can expand to 3 probes total, but the 2 other probes are stored in a non charging slot and will drain and die every few days (the probes do not have an auto off/stand mode). I recommend just buying the 2-probe Hub from the start.
Would love to see a re-do with the current probes as of November 2023. My primary use would be Joetisserie use, sticking with Fireboard for non-rotiserrie cooks. Looking at the Meater 2 plus, but curious if other updates would change your mind as to who is King of the Wireless probes. Great video!
Maybe look into the ChefIQ Smart Thermometer. Seems cheaper than the Meater 2 plus, has WiFi without the need of 3rd party device or their separate block. I currently have the Meater 2 Plus, but the specs on the ChefIQ seem a lot better. 4 Sensors in the probe vs the 2 in Meater. The max tempurature is a lot more than the Meater (700+ F vs Meaters 550 F) Range is better (200+ feet vs Meaters 30 ft bluetooth, with WiFi it's unlimited)... Not sure how the App is vs the Meaters, however, I do like the Meaters app
I just got a Meter+. Had sooo much difficulty with it. No problems with distance to my phone, but the probe to case was having issues. Constantly disconnecting! The only way it would stay connected was having the case literally inches from the Weber kettle lid and having the probe also inches away from the lid. If I put my food in the middle of the grate…disconnected. If I turned the probe away from the case…disconnected. Returned!!
Something I think you might have overlooked is multi stick integration. One of the reasons I switched from my meater to the meatstick was the fact that 1 extender can be used with up to 4 sticks (currently I'm up to 2+1 mini stick). Also as far as the connection issue I think there is some location or Bluetooth setting that you have to change if you're on an iPhone. I'm an Android user, but when my friend comes over and tries to connect he has some issues.
I have 2 Meater+ ‘s. When they work it’s awesome. When they lose connection during a cook for no reason it’s frustrating as hell! Definitely a love, hate relationship.
Have a Meter + and have cooked over 100 cooks on it with not a single connection issue. The block sits near the Offset about 2m away. Make sure batteries are not low.
@@sean_mac Maybe the block internals are better than stand alone Meaters? With the trouble I’ve had and the bad reviews now on the internet, it’s really hard to believe you’ve had 0 connection issues! Batteries are always fine.
I’ve tried a few of these and so far the combustion inc is my favourite for fast high temp cooking, but the chef iq is the best for low and slow. The wifi integration, the built in speaker and the app just make it by far my favourite for long cooks.
@@ryanleal1764 The combustion inc is very good at predicting times for high temperature cooks but has mediocre range and no wifi. For low slow cooks being able to monitor remotely while out and about makes a big difference which isn’t of high concern for high temperature relatively quick cooks where you generally won’t be far from the food.
I think that the next iteration of the Combustion Inc probe (if they get to that) is the one to watch. Seems like if they add wi-fi it could be the real standout. I've got a Chefstemp ProTemp plus on order as a Kickstarter backer which should ship in September if they hold to their published schedule. It looks to compete strongly with the Meater Block on paper and at a lower cost, but the proof will be in what they deliver. I generally don't back many Kickstarter campaigns, but your review of the Chefstemp instant read convinced me the company has the goods to deliver something that is well-made so I hope that translates into this new product category.
They did a good job matching the industry leading hardware for less money. The wireless stuff will be interesting as the app becomes so important along with the tech
I will say, this has been a very thorough and informative review. I have been thinking about getting a wireless probe and this review has been a huge help. Great video as always.
The combustion probe doesn't have wifi because it is so light and thin. If you added wifi you would have less battery life and the probe would be heavier. There are some sacrifices you would have to be willing to make if you trade one benefit over the other and working with just bluetooth allows ease of connectivity and doesn't require the probe to be near a router. I say that makes a lot more sense in my opinion.
The wifi wouldn't be a function of the probe. It isn't with any of them. The wifi would be part of the receiver, which on the Meater or Meatstick, is in the storage block. The probe transmits to the block, which in turn transmits through wifi. Combustion would just have to incorporate wifi into their extender unit or probe holder. The probe size is not a factor.
The wifi obsession here is weird to me. Plus if you use combustion correctly, and have the base as a smart relay point, you will absolutely get more range than you need regarding proximity to a meal you're cooking. Roast isn't going to just surprise cook itself 50% faster.
Wireless probes are great for rotisserie cooking. When I'm using my offset smoker, I use a MEATER in conjunction with a wired probe. Never hurts to have more data just in case one of the probes is misbehaving. Plus I like to have ambient from multiple locations. I also use an instant read when I get close to final temps. Belt and suspenders. LOL
I have a couple MEATER Blocks and they are good but over time, I feel their accuracy diminishes. I usually blame it on the dishwasher or high heat exposure in my egg. I’ll give the Combustion a try and I hope they watch this video and take your App advice. The ease of predictive cooking changes the game!! Great review!
Some probes need to be "dried out" periodically to restore accuracy. For example thermopro suggests placing the probe in a casserole dish covered in the oven at 250 for 35-40 mins. Might be worth looking into!
The distance one is a curious one - I really like the ideas of the ones which have blocks that connect to WiFi, as we've blanketed the outside in WiFi, so hopefully avoids any issues at all there.
I had the ThermoPro Tempspike. It died after about 6 months. Worked alright while I had it. Range and connectivity wasn't an issue since the grill was just on the other side of the wall from me. But now it will connect for 5 seconds and then drop and then reconnect for a few seconds and then drop. Also, the ambient temp end of the probe got covered in a veneer of baked on smoke and grease which interfered with it's ability to charge on the base station correctly. The battery connections need bare metal in order to conduct electricity but once things get gummed up you can't get a good electrical connection. Constantly have to clean off the end of the probe with an abrasive cleaner like Barkeeps friend.
James as a Meatr plus owner 2x, it would be nice if they added Wi-Fi to these probes and not have to buy the block. An added test would of been good to test range through different materials from grills such as Kamado, offset, Weber Kamado. That range would of been interesting to know and potential interference.
I've been using a m + Inside by Electric stainless steel grill which is double wall stainless steel on all sides top and bottom and I do have to keep the Block near the grill but other than that I can walk all over the place so it does a very good job.
Great review. All the work you put into your reviews is greatly appreciated. Just used the Combustion probe on a cook and it worked great. They say on their web site that it will have Wifi capability in the summer of 2023. Let’s see then if they can pull it off in the next 30 days as they say.
"It will have", meaning what - that the probe's software will be updated to include the feature or a new version will release that will enable that functionality?
@@BrewReview "WiFi Capability" is really a feature of the app, not the probe. None of these devices are actually doing WiFi themselves (if they did the probes battery would unlikely to last 30 minutes), the app is connected via Bluetooth and supplying the to other devices (via WiFi)
I had a bad experience with the meater which made me avoid all those wireless probes. First of all, I had a preorder on the block, they kept delaying shipping dates and the refund was denied for few months till I started to contact BBQ youtubers and send the emails. Then all of the sudden they found my order in their system and refunded me. Then I bought 2 Meater+ which had poor connection, short battery life ( less than 12h) and stopped recharging all together. After that thermoworks introduced their Signals with a great app and that what I use since then. I don't use rotisserie and don't intend to. The tiny probes that come with thermoworks are way better in accuracy and profile. If you don't obsoletely need wireless probe, go with the thermoworks.
I would love to see an analysis of connection stability. I have two friends who quit using their Meater probes because the disconnects are so frequent that it renders the probe basically useless.
That is my experience, it drops all the time. It is annoying, not enough for me to look for a new device, but I probably would not buy a meater again if they do not improve it.
Never had any stability issue with my meater block. The base needs to stay close to the probes so that creates a limitation, I would not be able to use 2 probes in the kitchen oven and the 2 others in the outside grill, but as long as the base is within BT range of the probes and has access to wifi the readings on the app are flawless.
I returned my meter as well because of the connection stability and if it happens to disconnect and you're 4 hours into a cook it resets it and you need to start a new cook it sucks and you're forced to put it take it out of the meat and put it back into the block and then reinsert
I have the Yummly. I found the app a bit clumsy on my first couple cooks, but once I got used to it it's not bad. Figuring out how to bypass the recipe portion of the app made all the difference. At first I was apprehensive about the wireless range of the unit, but quickly discovered it works anywhere in my yard and well into the neighbors yard, so range isn't an issue for me. Overall, I like it alot. Thanks for sharing!
Great work James, it is pretty extensive review and comparison. One thing about Combustion Inc, its raison d'être is that it is a predictive thermometer. Though your comparison was fair comparing to others, it is like comparing apple and oranges when looking at combustion inc as a predictive thermometer, rather than just a wireless thermometer.
I owned a Meter and was incredibly unhappy with the products performance, and eventually just gave it away. The problem with it (and I'm sure it's an issue with the other wireless probes) is the range us very dependent on the type of cooker it's being used on. With my 1/4" offset I lost connection about 2' from the cooker, and with my Kamado Joe, forget about it, basically close the lid and my phone started screaming at me. I don't really care if the probe has Wi-Fi as I can't affect the cook from a far off location anyway, but damn, I do expect these things to have the blue tooth range in the real world that they claim. For now I will continue to use my Thermo Pro blue tooth 4 wired probe system which works exactly as advertised.
For sure some cookers don’t work as well. I noticed the summit is more challenging so I used that because I could move it and it’s more likely to spot an issue
Great video! I appreciate your effort to do such a practical test. I went cheap and ended up having to return it. Darn thing stopped connecting to the app. Just ordered the Meater+ so I think I'll be in good shape now.
This was an interesting video for me… I got the Temp Spike a few months ago and it’s been great so far, especially how long the battery lasts. I had to return a similar product because of connections issues, and the app wasn’t great. I am actually pretty content with this app, and found it pretty easy to setup a pre installed cook for a specific meat, or even create a new one. I can go anywhere in my house without losing a connection and don’t really care about how thick it is, becasue I can imagine that adds to the battery life. I use a small thermo pen for steak and smaller pieces of meat because I am tending to the meat as I cook it. I mailnly use this for longer cooks, or a quick smoke before a sear. All in all I am very happpy with it, but now I am intrigued. Thanks fro the comprehensive test.
I too bought the TempSpike after seeing Tom Horseman use and recommend one. I enjoy mine for the same low-and-slow technique. It’s very close compared to my separate ThermoPro transmitter probes I’ve used for years. My only slight complaint is that its ambient readings are very slow to catch up to actual. Now, having just said I use it for long cooks, it does make me wonder if there’s been a sudden temp change, or has the probe just not caught up yet?
I have two now and thr battery seems to never run out, there is a tiny variance between them but both work great. Got lucky and second one was around 40 bucks. SCORE.
Nice rundown. I have a meater block and was an early adopter of the combustion probes. IMHO, the fit and finish on the combustion is miles ahead. I also think you sold it pretty short with regards to its 8 sensors. It’s a much superior device precisely because it’s going to algorithmically figure out the actual core temp of what you’re cooking rather than just showing you wherever you happened to stick it in. That’s a really big deal, especially on something like chicken or a steak. I agree that the lack of wi-fi is really disappointing. Last point of comparison is that my experience with meater customer service hasn’t been terrific. With combustion, you can literally email the head of the company and he’ll email you back. That’s huge!
Totally agree - I picked up my Combustion probe + display combo on sale for $159 and it’s been so much fun to use. I totally get Wi-Fi is power hog, but they should let the display continue to be a bluetooth range extender while battery powered but add a Wi-Fi bridge function if plugged in. That would be a great update for Ver 2.
I completely agree. I have owned and used a number of thermometers over the years, mostly wired, but I also own a Meater and a Meater+. I bought the Combustion product late last year (display and two probes) and just bought two Boosters. The quality is amazing and the 8 sensors really help. I always insert the probe as far as I can and having the app automatically detect the core temperature is great. I don't always get the probe in exactly the right spot by myself. I also find the prediction function to be more accurate than Meater's. I agree that the Meater app is better. I think you are correct that the app needs more time and it will get there. One final point is that having an optional display if you don't want to have to use a smartphone is a nice option. I also agree that Wifi would be a great addition.
People really sleep on the Fireboard thermometer. I completely stopped using my Thermapen when I got it. Syncs with the app to track temperature and I can just stick it to my grill with a magnet. Has as a port for a temperature gauge so I can put it in the thickest part and when I check it use the instant read on it for the other parts. Also the battery life is insane. I used it for about a month before I ever got a battery warning with multiple long cooks.
Excellent and informative review. I'm an electrical engineer, and I've always been concerned about the longevity of the electronics in high heat conditions. Most of your examples showed a 572°F (300°C) max temperature. The max temp for silicon semiconductors is 120°C and gallium arsenide is 150°C for good reliability. It's conceivable to push those limits, but 300°C seems like it would result in a short life.
I think that's why only the ambient sensors tend to be rated for 300. The internal ones tend to have limits between 100 and 120C. I assume the electronics are within the internal part of the probe, and use extra insulation to also protect themselves.
The trick is, that nothing you´ll ever cook will get over 100°C internally or it will be totally destroyed. All food contains water. The outer sensor is the only part that´s rated for 300°C. And before you ask: No it doesn´t use a battery. It uses a supercap.
Combustion has 8 sensors, you keep saying 4. It also interoplates the true core temp as well as surface and ambient temp. Not sure how a better app and WiFi can put something in first place. You can't eat the app or WiFi. I'm way more concerned with accurate temps and the food that comes out at the end of a cook.
I put text to correct my voice over. No disagreement on the HW, its hands down the leader on the best HW. I saw no where near the advertised range and the app / wifi (which I am told are being updated) were years behind..... the day those catch up an upgrade from 2nd place is in order
I would think that the Combustion Inc app is comparatively lacking because it has a stand alone, dedicated display unit so the app is less necessary than the other probes that can't function without the app. Personally, I'd prefer the freedom-from-app experience of the Combustion. I tried the Meater a couple of years ago on our TDay turkey and had a miserable experience. According to the Meater, our turkey was done about 2hrs before it was actually done. Probably user inexperience/error but it still left me feeling very uncomfortable with the thermometer so it was returned the next day. I'm looking forward to trying the Combustion thermometer
Have had several MEATER probes. Very inconsistent functionality…not connecting to Wifi, not synching with app/probe, losing wifi connection midway through cook, probe working fine on one cook but fail to function syncing…lastly, inability to speak with a LIVE customer service rep --just being redirected to trouble shooting on websites
I’m a sysadmin who smokes a lot of meat. I’ve had the meater block for 3 years and I don’t think I’ve ever disliked a product more. It takes hours to charge , isn’t usb c, I’ve never had a cook , not a single cook, where probes weren’t disconnecting over and over requiring me to move stuff around to get it to go back on. To me it’s just an unusable product. Anytime I try to use it it becomes more inconvenient than just using timers and thermoprobe. I was hoping I’d be able to use them to set it in and be able to leave and monitor stuff but they have never enabled that function for me
I completely agree, it’s been a horrible product for me as well. I went to cook a pork butt the other week and the whole block was completely dead yet again, even though I had just changed the batteries from 1 cook prior. Just don’t like the product, I just purchased a Typhur Sync and hoping it’s better - haven’t tried it yet.
Great video and information. This is why I have no desire to switch to any of the wireless probes options. My fireboard does WiFi, has a great app and has much thinner probes than even the smallest option here and has short and long probe options
I am comfortable using my Fireboard for the same reasons that you've stated. However I jumped on getting Combustion Inc because it predicts cook time. It is a cool feature, a cool toy. It is great when cooking in pan.
@@etherealshade Indeed you can, but it is less accurate, cause it bases on a single point of temperature reading. It also will not work well cooking steaks of beef or fish hot and fast. Combustion inc has 8 sensors, it finds the center of the meat, being the coolest. Then by measuring the temperature at every other point, and one on the surface, it calculates the cooking progression. I don't find it as much necessary, but it is an enjoyable cool gadget. For instance, I am in the restaurant trade, I feel it could probably be a distraction on a busy cook line. Our cooks do fine cooking steaks without one.
@@CoolJay77 I have never tried to do it on something fast, but I do usually have multiple sensors in my briskets, pork shoulder, ribs, etc and i can see how long each is predicted to take too get to ‘Y’ temp
Great review, I have the MEATER and just ordered the Tempspike, I’m not sure if I’ll still unpack and try. However, one thing is really don’t like is fiddling with my phone while entertaining and cooking, I saw the monitor of the other device, but it was not discussed, at least you have an idea what’s going on without using your phone, of course the MEATER app solves this to some extend if you have an Apple Watch and also display the data on the Lock Screen. Finally… the connect reconnect and charging via USB is also to me important, so.. I might give the TempSpike a try anyway. Thanks for being awesome ❤
You missed the most important things about the Combustion. I own one and it's not about the app, it's about the results. It's about 8 sensors. 8! I know you added the corrections in your edit, but you never talked about why this matters so much. First you push the probe deeper into your meat. Use ALL the sensors. It tells you the lowest reading, the surface temp (which is NOT the ambient temp) and finally, the ambient. If you're doing a reverse sear and are looking for a roast to be a perfect medium rare, you will watch the surface temp and how it is relating to the lowest internal and pull it to rest using that guideline. And the next gen of the app promises to use calculated resting time - which will be calculated using data from all of the sensors to determine the density of the meat for extremely precise calculation. I'm really surprised that you never mentioned any of this, particularly since the information is not only on their website but also on RUclips from the creator of the product. Yes the app is wanting a bit right now, but being an "app snob" shouldn't detract from the fact that the app gives you data to make you a better cook. Being able to see the numbers from all of the sensors is a really powerful tool. You will never wonder any more if you have pushed the probe in far enough or too far. It just doesn't matter. In my opinion that alone makes this tool the obvious choice. If the app were better it wouldn't change the capabilities of the instrument.
I purchased a Meater probe for $99 about six years ago. The app on my iPad was really cool. Tried it over and over inside the grill. Constantly lost its signal with the BBQ lid shut. Constantly gave me alerts on the app that the meat was way over heated, it was not!!! I finally threw it away. Ohh, when I called Meater they never called my back, when I emailed Meater, they never returned my email.
Great video, I wish I would have seen this before I got the meat probe off Amazon that I used today. It was the "Probe Plus" FM212 and I was not happy with the connectivity of it while trying to do other things in the house. It wanted WIFI to run, which is fine but my smoker is out on the back deck and the Wi-Fi modem is down in the basement. I found I was resetting the probe dock to the app every time I went out of range. The app did not notify me when I hit 130 deg F and the setting was set for that. I also found the app not user friendly, wanted to do a custom cook and change the name to "venison" but there was no where to change it. The record history of my first time using it did not record either. I really like the stats you did and the "Meater" have the smart watch interface or being able to go anywhere is key, like if you need to run to the beer or liquor store during a smoke, you are still in connection. The only question I have for you, with the MEATER, if the Wi-Fi signal is weak will it still connect and feed the info to your phone watch, and does the water interface work with any smart watch or does it have to be an Android or Apple? Thanks from the great white north!
Thanks for the review! I was going to get the combustion one because I really like what they did with the thermometer itself but they don't ship to my address! I ended up ordering the Meater 2. The app definitely looks awesome
I also have the MeatStick you didn’t look below the graph of your cook that is where you can put your notes at and they have mini MeatStick for smaller cuts of meat I choose this one to because you can also deep fried with them deep fried turkey and you can connect up to eight different color sticks
Another brilliant video James…. I’ve been watching/subscribed to your channel for a few years now, and bought the Meater + over a year ago based upon your opinion of it then…. I am very much a “low-tech” guy (as I said when you reviewed the wired KJ…. I can’t get far enough away from “technology” when I’m grilling…. I just love managing fire/temp/time on my own….)…. So, I am one of the ones you just mentioned that needs apps to be simple…. and the Meater app is a thing of beauty….. so intuitive, easy to work with, incredibly useful….for a low-tech guy like me. Great video James…. 👍🏼👍🏼
I really wanted this to be more informative that it was for me to compare with devices I don't own. I have the temp spike myself and have no problems with the app, but since you didn't actually get into what you didn't like or what problems you thought it had, there's no way to know what's supposedly "better" about the others.
Excellent review! Clear concise and easy to follow your criteria and assessment. I definitely agree with you about the importance of the app because a poorly designed app will drag down a technologically superior product.
Agreed, who in their right mind would want well-done pieces? :) Great job on the review it was quite helpful. I was considering upgrading my original Meater and now I'm equipped to make the best decision.
I had to return my meater 4 probe kit. Honestly, it was probably the worst purchase I have ever made as far as thermometers go. I would definitely look for alternative now.
I have the TempSpike, actually 3 TempSpikes - which is the max the app can monitor. I wish you had added information about that - number of probes the app can monitor. I like to have lots of data and often run a Fireboard (6 probes) along with another unit running 4 probes as well for a combination of ambient and internal meat temps. Then I'll have my 3 TempSpikes in some of the meat I'm cooking. Personally, I'd love to be able to get rid of ALL the wires - but obviously, with the low temps limitations of these probes (210-212ºF for the tips) they can't be used for ambient cooker temp monitoring. I've found the ambient external probes on at least the TempSpike to be fairly useless, as the cooler air bubble around one's brisket or other large hunk of meat to throw off the monitoring enough that you can't really keep an eye on your smoker temps reliably. I agree the TempSpike app is lacking - though it is simple, I felt. Just I like more functionality - I want graphs, etc., and I'd like to be able to display multiple graphed probes at once, and I'd really like to be able to monitor more than three probes. My other HUGE gripe about the TempSpike is the difficulty in keeping each probe paired with its respective base unit/booster. These do NOT interchange, they can NOT be reprogrammed to mate up with whichever probe you put in it, etc. I've come to the conclusion I need to put a dab of high temp paint on the external end of each probe and a matching color on the base/booster units. These are a real pain to try to keep straight which probe goes with which booster. Just another complication, and will be worsened if/when they upgrade the app to handle more probes - although their support tells me that as of now, this is not in the works or planned. So I will likely move to another platform over time. Just my personal preference. Their support is great, though, and responsive - I've talked with them over email, facebook AND texting and have been very pleased with ThermoPro's support.
Features, specifications, and experiments aside, Combustion Inc's Predictive Thermometer beats the rest for ACTUALLY COOKING FOOD PERFECTLY. The first two times I used mine it was a Beef Wellington and then some very thick ribeye steaks. I just could not believe how perfect both turned out. The 8 sensors in the Combustion Inc thermometer, paired with the mathematically superior algorithms they use to calculate cooking time based on how those sensors read over time, nails it beautifully.
That is a very in depth test and comparison you did for these probes. I think I might want more sensors in my Meater probe but would have to try it to see if it worth it. As an electrical engineer and Ham radio operator, you distance testing was fair because you did the same thing for each probe and it is very real life in backyards. High frequency radio waves are attenuated when passing thru objects vs line of sight. I would like to see a distance test using your pizza oven or house oven since it has the most enclosed metal box. I tried my Meater probe in my house oven and it had a very short transmission distance like in feet. I noticed that you use your probes for short cooks like the New York Strip were I use my Thermapen. Adding notes to cooks is a good idea and therefore I start using the Meater probe for my short cooks too.
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i've got a m+. it's fine for grilling, but for doing real, actual, serious cooks. the thermoworks smoke is far superior. no, it's not wireless from the probes to the transmitter, but the range is huge to the remote (way past wifi range, for those of us who have larger properties and are out on the tractor. you can replace the probes cheaply, and the smoke will control the temperature in a wood or charcoal smoker via a billows blower.
I do a lot of spit-roasting on my BBQ and MEATER looks like it would work for me. I don't need excessive amounts of range and I appreciate accurate temperatures. Until I watched this video, my understanding was that most wireless probe thermometers weren't exactly accurate. I also like the idea of not messing with connecting wires. Thanks for your review.
I compared the Tempspike with the Meater Plus probe but found the M+ kept disconnecting from Bluetooth even when the base is next to the probe. Whereas the Tempspike kept a stable connection throughout the house. Although i didn't do an actual cook i mock tested it by placing it in a cup of hot water upto the marker point alongside the ThermoPro Tempspike then compared both readings with an instant read thermometer. Both were within a degree of each other & accurate to the instant read. Another difference is that the Tempspike would read the ambient temperature at room temperature when the Meater+ would not as too low. This might suggest the Tempspike has a better sensor. One minor drawback to the app, unlike with the Tempspike, is that it does not allow you to set a pre-alert by a lower temperature before it reaches the target temperature. With the Tempspike at half the price of the Meater Plus its hard to justify buying it.
Great well detailed exploration on wireless meat thermometers.I received my Meater for Christmas 2 years ago and at first I thought why do I need a remote thermometer? I love this device it saves you time and no more overdone meat. I would fully recommend the Meater to anyone that cooks any kind of meat,from fish to poultry and especially red meat. Cheers
I'd love to know the environment and surroundings that these companies test the range. Not just the wireless ones, but all of the temp probe companies. Every one I own is full of it. Very good comparison video though. Really detailed and thorough. I'm going to keep my eye on that Combustion model as it looks like they are trying to address my biggest issue with wireless probes...the enormous width.
Same here, mine is the Probe Plus FM 212 and with my house being blocks and thick walls, and with the WIFI modem in the basement and the smoker is on the deck. The instructions did say that some walls or fixtures would interfere with the signal etc.
I use the meter block also as an extender. I put the meter block as far away from the cooki as I can in the direction that I am going and extend the Bluetooth direction that way. I have been able to monitor my cook from inside my house with Bluetooth only.
Here's where we have to agree to disagree. I've had the Meater+ and couldn't stand it. Walk 10 feet away and boom, it disconnects. I personally don't care about an app. I care if it reads the correct temp. And if it stays connected with good range. I bought the TempSpike recently and absolutely love it. The temp has been spot on. The range is awesome. And I personally don't care if the app isn't as fancy as others. So like I said. Agree to disagree. Keep up the great work.
Since I got my MEATER plus 3 years ago I’ve seen the consistency of my cooks improve dramatically. I always tell people that this will improve their cooks way more than upgrading their grill or smokers.
Lucky! Since I got my meater block, it’s done a great job holding papers down on my desk. Because it won’t connect to anything properly and doesn’t work.
I guess connection with types of grills and longevity is the key for these high priced items. Also what you intend to do with it. Idk about everyone else but most use these indoors on their stove as well. So as a jump to this and jump to that perspective might need to be considered. Chefs are usually cooking a lot of foods. Might be something to consider when buying one.
Good review.. but was wondering if being fully charged would make a difference. I have an older inkbird that would drop connection if not fully charged.. then again it uses 4.2 bluetooth. I also have the temp spike and found that placing the base just a bit farther away from the probe in the cook seems to widen the overall range.. I do like it and the app is basic like me.. I guess it's dependent on the user.. tomatoe.. tomaawww-tow. Hehe. Anywhaaay good review. Keep em coming
Bought two TempSpikes 4 months ago. First one worked twice, then refused to reconnect to my phone regardless of all troubleshooting, including removing and readding and using the manufacturer's instructions to reset. Returned. Second one was working up until last week, now it won't connect to the phone either. Haven't had time to troubleshoot it, but if it has also failed, I'm moving on to the Meater.
So, I wound up with the MEATER block and the combustion predictive probe. Can’t have too many toys. Anyway, I’ve used the MEATER multiple times but when the predictive probe showed up I really like the theory of the multiple sensors and the small diameter so I gave it a whirl. I would say it has lots of great attributes but the MEATER ease of use and range make it the hands down winner. I think MEATER needs to buy combustion inc and give us the best of both worlds. Meat was great though.
The Combustion unit is made by a highly technical cooking nerd. Better technically but may lack a feature of wifi ... buy only if you want the best information during your cook.
Wish you would have tested or shown ambient temperatures during a cook. Tempspike works well except for ambient temperature reading. Usually off between 20-50 degrees. Insert the probe up to the notch and temperature external (ambient) temperature just does not track accurately. Ambient temp seems to climb when internal temp does. Becomes more accurate toward the end of the cook, like internal meat temperature resonates through the probe and skews the ambient. Customer service is great. They sent me a new probe (only the probe) and again the temperature for the ambient sensor is just not dependable.
I think that MeatStick really missed the mark with their 4X line. Having a sensor near the base of the probe then telling you that it can’t go past 212F? When I’m smoking I usually trip the alarm near the end of the cook. (The tip approaches 205ish while the more proximal sensors are higher than 205) So I wind up shoving the ceramic portion of the probe into the meat to cool down that base sensor so that the alarm will leave me alone.
Good video James. If you do a follow up, would be good to test the accuracy of the cook time prediction. Also the accuracy of the ambient temperature reading.
Meter works great when it works. I have random connecting issues even though the app is updated and my phone is updated. I can never get a full charge and I’ve cleaned the contact points and I’ve changed the battery. It stays at around half charge. It will randomly disconnect, then my phone will have a hard time finding it. Which sucks because for short cooks I’m choosing a handheld thermometer. I pretty much only use a meter for when I’m smoking something for a long time. And I only have one in the battery doesn’t last the entirety of the cook. Honestly, it was nice for my first cooks. It gave me that piece of mind of not going to high, not going to low. But honestly guys. Buy a thermo pro. The foldable ones like $15 the non fold is like 10. It’s used by 90% of restaurants you get reading in less than two seconds. And doesn’t leave gaping holes in your steak. Plus, you can probe on different parts of a big piece of meat.
The working distance on wireless products is based on "line of sight." The moment that you walk around a corner as you did during your testing will result in a very large signal loss. I wish that there would have been a bit more emphasis on the advantage of having multiple sensors in the probe. Thanks for a great job!
Thanks, yes the line of sight I have no doubt works as advertised in a large open space... my intent there was to show more common household scenarios where people send notes saying they are losing signal. Good advice on the multi sensor part, i will add more to future videos
Should have the name of the product you're talking about on the screen when speaking about it. Would be really nice!
Thanks for the feedback
Sadly, the biggest question wasn’t answered here, I get that it’s a difficult one, but for me it’s the most important one; longevity!
I have a meater block and one probe is dead and another one detached the prob from the stick(it still work, but for how long)
Used them maybe 30-40 times over the last 2.5 years
They work good but at that price, I wouldn’t recommend them
I’m hoping to find a tank of a probe more than a Ferrari. Btw I always hand washed my probes
Thx for your work James
This happened to me as well. I was able to resolve it by ensuring that the probes were properly charged & after doing a factory reset. Hope this helps
FYI, Combustion Inc probe has 8 sensors, not 4. The hardware also supports "mesh" networking with an extra thermometer(s) or the portable charger cases that can function as bluetooth relays to get you all the way to your front driveway. The app is much improved, with all 8 sensors reporting, carryover cooking estimations, etc...
Yes i added text to fix the error when i said 4.... i was told wifi is coming as well which will be a nice enhancement. glad to see it continues to get updates for even more performance
I have two combustion probes, one in FL and one in CO. My second one in CO was a pain because it didn’t have a very good range. I gave a bad review when requested from Combustion. I immediately received a please reach out to us email. After some back and forth I now understand that because my rotisserie was closed the range was limited. They suggested to place the reader closer to the grill and then it would connect to my iPhone with a better range. I was impressed that they were so quick to reply and I believe that the suggested fix will work. Looking forward to another summer cook of my best rotisserie chicken! A follow up. I’ve now done another cook using the base unit close to my grill as I did a rotisserie chicken. It works great with no problems sending and receiving all info.
I've gotta say, that this is one of the most objective, thorough and balanced reviews I've seen on an array of products.
Check out project farm for tool reviews and other stuff. You’ll probably appreciate his channels and objective/scientific review process
I have had the MEATER block for a year or so now, it’s great on wifi, like James I use it with my watch, I work in emergency response and had to work last Christmas Eve/Day. I was able to monitor the cook I set up and call/message my dad who had no experience operating my offset and kamado and tell him what he needed to do so that the Christmas food was perfectly cooked.
When I finished work and got home for lunch time all I had to do was … nothing but serve, Dad, my wife and the guests had it all sorted for me.
Excellent product.
Just got my first Kamado Joe last weekend and last night, used the Meater+ the for the first time on a roast. Admittedly, I didn't read the directions thoroughly first but I found the app was so user friendly that I was able to get it to work and it produced a perfect cook on the roast. Didn't realize the range issue until it disconnected, but got back in range quickly and the results were fantastic. Been binge watching a lot of your videos as of late and tonight, first crack at pork baby back ribs (low and slow!). Appreciate all of your help and motivation, James!
Thrilled with your results because I just got a Meater Block for an early birthday present. I'm loving it so far. Glad to see that it's still your favorite as well! Thanks for the cool video.
Thanks
I have had a Meater (not +), Meatstick X and now have a Tempspike. I really like the no whistles approach to the app on the Tempspike. The Meatstick X failed me completely with really bad reception and the Meater died after a year of use. The Tempspike just works flawlessly and there are no issues getting things set up initially or for each bbq session (the Meatstick X is extremely iffy getting to work)
I really do not understand the need for anything other than the temperature. Is it done or is it not done? That is all I need to know. I specifically picked the TempSpike so that I don't have to fuss with an app much.
Tried the Meatstick mini....then went with 2-probe Chef IQ (even smaller, good for chicken breats, salmon, and steaks under 2inches thick).
You guys try the Chef IQ?
I had better connectivity with it as compared with the Meatstick app.
FYI. If you go with Chef IQ do keep in mind the 1-probe Hub version can expand to 3 probes total, but the 2 other probes are stored in a non charging slot and will drain and die every few days (the probes do not have an auto off/stand mode). I recommend just buying the 2-probe Hub from the start.
Would love to see a re-do with the current probes as of November 2023. My primary use would be Joetisserie use, sticking with Fireboard for non-rotiserrie cooks. Looking at the Meater 2 plus, but curious if other updates would change your mind as to who is King of the Wireless probes. Great video!
Maybe look into the ChefIQ Smart Thermometer. Seems cheaper than the Meater 2 plus, has WiFi without the need of 3rd party device or their separate block. I currently have the Meater 2 Plus, but the specs on the ChefIQ seem a lot better. 4 Sensors in the probe vs the 2 in Meater. The max tempurature is a lot more than the Meater (700+ F vs Meaters 550 F) Range is better (200+ feet vs Meaters 30 ft bluetooth, with WiFi it's unlimited)... Not sure how the App is vs the Meaters, however, I do like the Meaters app
I just got a Meter+. Had sooo much difficulty with it. No problems with distance to my phone, but the probe to case was having issues. Constantly disconnecting! The only way it would stay connected was having the case literally inches from the Weber kettle lid and having the probe also inches away from the lid. If I put my food in the middle of the grate…disconnected. If I turned the probe away from the case…disconnected. Returned!!
Just place the wooden base on the legs or frame of barbecue, somewhere close that doesn’t get hot. Then you will have the 30 ft range
Something I think you might have overlooked is multi stick integration. One of the reasons I switched from my meater to the meatstick was the fact that 1 extender can be used with up to 4 sticks (currently I'm up to 2+1 mini stick). Also as far as the connection issue I think there is some location or Bluetooth setting that you have to change if you're on an iPhone. I'm an Android user, but when my friend comes over and tries to connect he has some issues.
I have 2 Meater+ ‘s. When they work it’s awesome. When they lose connection during a cook for no reason it’s frustrating as hell! Definitely a love, hate relationship.
I quit using my Meater, it was just too frustrating connecting or keeping connected
@@rmagalasame here. Got a thermoworks smoke x to replace it.
I sent my MEATER back. Way too inconsistent. I went back to my wired thermometer.
Have a Meter + and have cooked over 100 cooks on it with not a single connection issue. The block sits near the Offset about 2m away. Make sure batteries are not low.
@@sean_mac Maybe the block internals are better than stand alone Meaters? With the trouble I’ve had and the bad reviews now on the internet, it’s really hard to believe you’ve had 0 connection issues! Batteries are always fine.
I’ve tried a few of these and so far the combustion inc is my favourite for fast high temp cooking, but the chef iq is the best for low and slow. The wifi integration, the built in speaker and the app just make it by far my favourite for long cooks.
I'm Surprised he didn't look at Chef iQ...
Curious to why your favorite for fast high temp is combustion but not for low and slow
@@ryanleal1764 The combustion inc is very good at predicting times for high temperature cooks but has mediocre range and no wifi. For low slow cooks being able to monitor remotely while out and about makes a big difference which isn’t of high concern for high temperature relatively quick cooks where you generally won’t be far from the food.
@@ronmcc100 me too.
It’s for a chef in all situations besides leaving. I’m not sure how many chefs leave their food. Quick on the readings.
I can't thank you enough! This is exactly the comparision I was looking for. Everything was covered. Now I can take a step up and go wireless...
I think that the next iteration of the Combustion Inc probe (if they get to that) is the one to watch. Seems like if they add wi-fi it could be the real standout. I've got a Chefstemp ProTemp plus on order as a Kickstarter backer which should ship in September if they hold to their published schedule. It looks to compete strongly with the Meater Block on paper and at a lower cost, but the proof will be in what they deliver. I generally don't back many Kickstarter campaigns, but your review of the Chefstemp instant read convinced me the company has the goods to deliver something that is well-made so I hope that translates into this new product category.
They did a good job matching the industry leading hardware for less money.
The wireless stuff will be interesting as the app becomes so important along with the tech
I will say, this has been a very thorough and informative review. I have been thinking about getting a wireless probe and this review has been a huge help. Great video as always.
I got the TempSpike and used it for a few cooks now. For me it’s a vary good value $/results. No complaints for now tbh.
The combustion probe doesn't have wifi because it is so light and thin. If you added wifi you would have less battery life and the probe would be heavier. There are some sacrifices you would have to be willing to make if you trade one benefit over the other and working with just bluetooth allows ease of connectivity and doesn't require the probe to be near a router. I say that makes a lot more sense in my opinion.
The wifi wouldn't be a function of the probe. It isn't with any of them. The wifi would be part of the receiver, which on the Meater or Meatstick, is in the storage block. The probe transmits to the block, which in turn transmits through wifi. Combustion would just have to incorporate wifi into their extender unit or probe holder. The probe size is not a factor.
The wifi obsession here is weird to me. Plus if you use combustion correctly, and have the base as a smart relay point, you will absolutely get more range than you need regarding proximity to a meal you're cooking. Roast isn't going to just surprise cook itself 50% faster.
I always appreciate all of your information. Amazing job as always keep up the good work. I have learned volumes from you. Thank you.
Wireless probes are great for rotisserie cooking. When I'm using my offset smoker, I use a MEATER in conjunction with a wired probe. Never hurts to have more data just in case one of the probes is misbehaving. Plus I like to have ambient from multiple locations. I also use an instant read when I get close to final temps. Belt and suspenders. LOL
Yes except for rotisserie cooking, the wireless probes are a waste of money.
I have a couple MEATER Blocks and they are good but over time, I feel their accuracy diminishes. I usually blame it on the dishwasher or high heat exposure in my egg. I’ll give the Combustion a try and I hope they watch this video and take your App advice. The ease of predictive cooking changes the game!! Great review!
Some probes need to be "dried out" periodically to restore accuracy. For example thermopro suggests placing the probe in a casserole dish covered in the oven at 250 for 35-40 mins. Might be worth looking into!
I'd check the accuracy with a water bath against a reference thermometer
Hi James, just got a big joe 3 after watching months of your videos :) now i know what probe to buy! Thanks dude appreciate the work
Wow. This may have been the best organize and presented review video U have seen. Thank you very much for posting this.
No more apps. The probe that doesn't force me to use an app is my winner.
The distance one is a curious one - I really like the ideas of the ones which have blocks that connect to WiFi, as we've blanketed the outside in WiFi, so hopefully avoids any issues at all there.
Meater wins.. saves you 38minutes :-) good video though James
Thanks but I'd like to know WHY.
@@YounggApex thanks for your contribution.
@YounggApex what I'm gathering so far, is the wifi
@@rudeout8306he didn’t include chefiq which is better for wifi.
MEATER stinks. I’ve had it for 4 years and it’s inaccurate as heck. Just purchased chef in today
I had the ThermoPro Tempspike. It died after about 6 months. Worked alright while I had it. Range and connectivity wasn't an issue since the grill was just on the other side of the wall from me. But now it will connect for 5 seconds and then drop and then reconnect for a few seconds and then drop. Also, the ambient temp end of the probe got covered in a veneer of baked on smoke and grease which interfered with it's ability to charge on the base station correctly. The battery connections need bare metal in order to conduct electricity but once things get gummed up you can't get a good electrical connection. Constantly have to clean off the end of the probe with an abrasive cleaner like Barkeeps friend.
James as a Meatr plus owner 2x, it would be nice if they added Wi-Fi to these probes and not have to buy the block. An added test would of been good to test range through different materials from grills such as Kamado, offset, Weber Kamado. That range would of been interesting to know and potential interference.
You can kind of add wifi if you use another phone or a tablet. Instructions on the meater site. I haven't tried it yet.
I've been using a m + Inside by Electric stainless steel grill which is double wall stainless steel on all sides top and bottom and I do have to keep the Block near the grill but other than that I can walk all over the place so it does a very good job.
Great review. All the work you put into your reviews is greatly appreciated. Just used the Combustion probe on a cook and it worked great. They say on their web site that it will have
Wifi capability in the summer of 2023. Let’s see then if they can pull it off in the next 30 days
as they say.
"It will have", meaning what - that the probe's software will be updated to include the feature or a new version will release that will enable that functionality?
@@BrewReview "WiFi Capability" is really a feature of the app, not the probe. None of these devices are actually doing WiFi themselves (if they did the probes battery would unlikely to last 30 minutes), the app is connected via Bluetooth and supplying the to other devices (via WiFi)
Wish the Chef IQ was in this test. It’s on the top of my list to replace my Meater+ that has stopped working.
Me too. I think that's what Guga uses. 🤔
I first heard about Chef IQ on Guga’s channel. I ended up buying a new Meater+ this weekend because of the Labor Day sale they had going on.
I had a bad experience with the meater which made me avoid all those wireless probes.
First of all, I had a preorder on the block, they kept delaying shipping dates and the refund was denied for few months till I started to contact BBQ youtubers and send the emails. Then all of the sudden they found my order in their system and refunded me.
Then I bought 2 Meater+ which had poor connection, short battery life ( less than 12h) and stopped recharging all together.
After that thermoworks introduced their Signals with a great app and that what I use since then. I don't use rotisserie and don't intend to. The tiny probes that come with thermoworks are way better in accuracy and profile.
If you don't obsoletely need wireless probe, go with the thermoworks.
I would love to see an analysis of connection stability. I have two friends who quit using their Meater probes because the disconnects are so frequent that it renders the probe basically useless.
That is my experience, it drops all the time. It is annoying, not enough for me to look for a new device, but I probably would not buy a meater again if they do not improve it.
Never had any stability issue with my meater block. The base needs to stay close to the probes so that creates a limitation, I would not be able to use 2 probes in the kitchen oven and the 2 others in the outside grill, but as long as the base is within BT range of the probes and has access to wifi the readings on the app are flawless.
I returned my meter as well because of the connection stability and if it happens to disconnect and you're 4 hours into a cook it resets it and you need to start a new cook it sucks and you're forced to put it take it out of the meat and put it back into the block and then reinsert
thank you for the thorough review and the summary at the end
Meater is absolutely amazing. Totally recommended for anyone who wants to star learning about meat preparation
Cheers
Instant subscribe to this channel!
Anyone who gets/buys the products, and actually does a scientific test, i'm all in!
much appreciated
I have the Yummly. I found the app a bit clumsy on my first couple cooks, but once I got used to it it's not bad. Figuring out how to bypass the recipe portion of the app made all the difference. At first I was apprehensive about the wireless range of the unit, but quickly discovered it works anywhere in my yard and well into the neighbors yard, so range isn't an issue for me. Overall, I like it alot. Thanks for sharing!
Great work James, it is pretty extensive review and comparison. One thing about Combustion Inc, its raison d'être is that it is a predictive thermometer. Though your comparison was fair comparing to others, it is like comparing apple and oranges when
looking at combustion inc as a predictive thermometer, rather than just a wireless thermometer.
100%. It’s some nice hardware… I think that the potential is there to do more with software if they choose
I owned a Meter and was incredibly unhappy with the products performance, and eventually just gave it away.
The problem with it (and I'm sure it's an issue with the other wireless probes) is the range us very dependent on the type of cooker it's being used on.
With my 1/4" offset I lost connection about 2' from the cooker, and with my Kamado Joe, forget about it, basically close the lid and my phone started screaming at me.
I don't really care if the probe has Wi-Fi as I can't affect the cook from a far off location anyway, but damn, I do expect these things to have the blue tooth range in the real world that they claim.
For now I will continue to use my Thermo Pro blue tooth 4 wired probe system which works exactly as advertised.
For sure some cookers don’t work as well. I noticed the summit is more challenging so I used that because I could move it and it’s more likely to spot an issue
They could easily build a repeater to bolt in offset smokers, with a range extender. I suppose they don't see a market for it.
Great video! I appreciate your effort to do such a practical test. I went cheap and ended up having to return it. Darn thing stopped connecting to the app. Just ordered the Meater+ so I think I'll be in good shape now.
This was an interesting video for me… I got the Temp Spike a few months ago and it’s been great so far, especially how long the battery lasts. I had to return a similar product because of connections issues, and the app wasn’t great. I am actually pretty content with this app, and found it pretty easy to setup a pre installed cook for a specific meat, or even create a new one. I can go anywhere in my house without losing a connection and don’t really care about how thick it is, becasue I can imagine that adds to the battery life. I use a small thermo pen for steak and smaller pieces of meat because I am tending to the meat as I cook it. I mailnly use this for longer cooks, or a quick smoke before a sear. All in all I am very happpy with it, but now I am intrigued. Thanks fro the comprehensive test.
I too bought the TempSpike after seeing Tom Horseman use and recommend one. I enjoy mine for the same low-and-slow technique. It’s very close compared to my separate ThermoPro transmitter probes I’ve used for years. My only slight complaint is that its ambient readings are very slow to catch up to actual. Now, having just said I use it for long cooks, it does make me wonder if there’s been a sudden temp change, or has the probe just not caught up yet?
I have two now and thr battery seems to never run out, there is a tiny variance between them but both work great. Got lucky and second one was around 40 bucks. SCORE.
Nice rundown. I have a meater block and was an early adopter of the combustion probes. IMHO, the fit and finish on the combustion is miles ahead. I also think you sold it pretty short with regards to its 8 sensors. It’s a much superior device precisely because it’s going to algorithmically figure out the actual core temp of what you’re cooking rather than just showing you wherever you happened to stick it in. That’s a really big deal, especially on something like chicken or a steak. I agree that the lack of wi-fi is really disappointing. Last point of comparison is that my experience with meater customer service hasn’t been terrific. With combustion, you can literally email the head of the company and he’ll email you back. That’s huge!
Totally agree - I picked up my Combustion probe + display combo on sale for $159 and it’s been so much fun to use. I totally get Wi-Fi is power hog, but they should let the display continue to be a bluetooth range extender while battery powered but add a Wi-Fi bridge function if plugged in. That would be a great update for Ver 2.
I completely agree. I have owned and used a number of thermometers over the years, mostly wired, but I also own a Meater and a Meater+. I bought the Combustion product late last year (display and two probes) and just bought two Boosters. The quality is amazing and the 8 sensors really help. I always insert the probe as far as I can and having the app automatically detect the core temperature is great. I don't always get the probe in exactly the right spot by myself. I also find the prediction function to be more accurate than Meater's. I agree that the Meater app is better. I think you are correct that the app needs more time and it will get there. One final point is that having an optional display if you don't want to have to use a smartphone is a nice option. I also agree that Wifi would be a great addition.
on year #2 with my Meater block, once I learned where to place the block, I can monitor my pad at my desk.
People really sleep on the Fireboard thermometer. I completely stopped using my Thermapen when I got it. Syncs with the app to track temperature and I can just stick it to my grill with a magnet. Has as a port for a temperature gauge so I can put it in the thickest part and when I check it use the instant read on it for the other parts. Also the battery life is insane. I used it for about a month before I ever got a battery warning with multiple long cooks.
Excellent and informative review. I'm an electrical engineer, and I've always been concerned about the longevity of the electronics in high heat conditions. Most of your examples showed a 572°F (300°C) max temperature. The max temp for silicon semiconductors is 120°C and gallium arsenide is 150°C for good reliability. It's conceivable to push those limits, but 300°C seems like it would result in a short life.
I think that's why only the ambient sensors tend to be rated for 300. The internal ones tend to have limits between 100 and 120C. I assume the electronics are within the internal part of the probe, and use extra insulation to also protect themselves.
The trick is, that nothing you´ll ever cook will get over 100°C internally or it will be totally destroyed. All food contains water. The outer sensor is the only part that´s rated for 300°C. And before you ask: No it doesn´t use a battery. It uses a supercap.
Combustion has 8 sensors, you keep saying 4. It also interoplates the true core temp as well as surface and ambient temp. Not sure how a better app and WiFi can put something in first place. You can't eat the app or WiFi. I'm way more concerned with accurate temps and the food that comes out at the end of a cook.
I put text to correct my voice over. No disagreement on the HW, its hands down the leader on the best HW. I saw no where near the advertised range and the app / wifi (which I am told are being updated) were years behind..... the day those catch up an upgrade from 2nd place is in order
I would think that the Combustion Inc app is comparatively lacking because it has a stand alone, dedicated display unit so the app is less necessary than the other probes that can't function without the app. Personally, I'd prefer the freedom-from-app experience of the Combustion. I tried the Meater a couple of years ago on our TDay turkey and had a miserable experience. According to the Meater, our turkey was done about 2hrs before it was actually done. Probably user inexperience/error but it still left me feeling very uncomfortable with the thermometer so it was returned the next day. I'm looking forward to trying the Combustion thermometer
Have had several MEATER probes. Very inconsistent functionality…not connecting to Wifi, not synching with app/probe, losing wifi connection midway through cook, probe working fine on one cook but fail to function syncing…lastly, inability to speak with a LIVE customer service rep --just being redirected to trouble shooting on websites
I’m a sysadmin who smokes a lot of meat. I’ve had the meater block for 3 years and I don’t think I’ve ever disliked a product more. It takes hours to charge , isn’t usb c, I’ve never had a cook , not a single cook, where probes weren’t disconnecting over and over requiring me to move stuff around to get it to go back on. To me it’s just an unusable product. Anytime I try to use it it becomes more inconvenient than just using timers and thermoprobe. I was hoping I’d be able to use them to set it in and be able to leave and monitor stuff but they have never enabled that function for me
I completely agree, it’s been a horrible product for me as well. I went to cook a pork butt the other week and the whole block was completely dead yet again, even though I had just changed the batteries from 1 cook prior. Just don’t like the product, I just purchased a Typhur Sync and hoping it’s better - haven’t tried it yet.
Just bought a Meater Block after your review.
Just wish your tests would jave included Chef IQ Guga changed to.
Great video and information. This is why I have no desire to switch to any of the wireless probes options. My fireboard does WiFi, has a great app and has much thinner probes than even the smallest option here and has short and long probe options
I am comfortable using my Fireboard for the same reasons that you've stated. However I jumped on getting Combustion Inc because it predicts cook time. It is a cool feature, a cool toy. It is great when cooking in pan.
@@CoolJay77 you can do predictive temp on your fireboard too . I’ve used it quite a few times
@@etherealshade Indeed you can, but it is less accurate, cause it bases on a single point of temperature reading. It also will not work well cooking steaks of beef or fish hot and fast. Combustion inc has 8 sensors, it finds the center of the meat, being the coolest. Then by measuring the temperature at every other point, and one on the surface, it calculates the cooking progression. I don't find it as much necessary, but it is an enjoyable cool gadget. For instance, I am in the restaurant trade, I feel it could probably be a distraction on a busy cook line. Our cooks do fine cooking steaks without one.
@@CoolJay77 I have never tried to do it on something fast, but I do usually have multiple sensors in my briskets, pork shoulder, ribs, etc and i can see how long each is predicted to take too get to ‘Y’ temp
Great review, I have the MEATER and just ordered the Tempspike, I’m not sure if I’ll still unpack and try. However, one thing is really don’t like is fiddling with my phone while entertaining and cooking, I saw the monitor of the other device, but it was not discussed, at least you have an idea what’s going on without using your phone, of course the MEATER app solves this to some extend if you have an Apple Watch and also display the data on the Lock Screen. Finally… the connect reconnect and charging via USB is also to me important, so.. I might give the TempSpike a try anyway. Thanks for being awesome ❤
You missed the most important things about the Combustion. I own one and it's not about the app, it's about the results. It's about 8 sensors. 8! I know you added the corrections in your edit, but you never talked about why this matters so much.
First you push the probe deeper into your meat. Use ALL the sensors. It tells you the lowest reading, the surface temp (which is NOT the ambient temp) and finally, the ambient. If you're doing a reverse sear and are looking for a roast to be a perfect medium rare, you will watch the surface temp and how it is relating to the lowest internal and pull it to rest using that guideline. And the next gen of the app promises to use calculated resting time - which will be calculated using data from all of the sensors to determine the density of the meat for extremely precise calculation. I'm really surprised that you never mentioned any of this, particularly since the information is not only on their website but also on RUclips from the creator of the product. Yes the app is wanting a bit right now, but being an "app snob" shouldn't detract from the fact that the app gives you data to make you a better cook. Being able to see the numbers from all of the sensors is a really powerful tool. You will never wonder any more if you have pushed the probe in far enough or too far. It just doesn't matter. In my opinion that alone makes this tool the obvious choice. If the app were better it wouldn't change the capabilities of the instrument.
Thanks for the comment. I do agree it’s the best hardware. I understand wifi capabilities and app improvements are coming which would have helped
Great video and thank you so much for this information as well as all the other helpful research you’ve done (and likely will do)!
James, I love your impartiality and honesty. Keep the good vids coming!
Were you a scientist in a previous incarnation? ;)
I purchased a Meater probe for $99 about six years ago. The app on my iPad was really cool. Tried it over and over inside the grill. Constantly lost its signal with the BBQ lid shut. Constantly gave me alerts on the app that the meat was way over heated, it was not!!! I finally threw it away. Ohh, when I called Meater they never called my back, when I emailed Meater, they never returned my email.
Great video, I wish I would have seen this before I got the meat probe off Amazon that I used today. It was the "Probe Plus" FM212 and I was not happy with the connectivity of it while trying to do other things in the house. It wanted WIFI to run, which is fine but my smoker is out on the back deck and the Wi-Fi modem is down in the basement. I found I was resetting the probe dock to the app every time I went out of range. The app did not notify me when I hit 130 deg F and the setting was set for that. I also found the app not user friendly, wanted to do a custom cook and change the name to "venison" but there was no where to change it. The record history of my first time using it did not record either. I really like the stats you did and the "Meater" have the smart watch interface or being able to go anywhere is key, like if you need to run to the beer or liquor store during a smoke, you are still in connection. The only question I have for you, with the MEATER, if the Wi-Fi signal is weak will it still connect and feed the info to your phone watch, and does the water interface work with any smart watch or does it have to be an Android or Apple? Thanks from the great white north!
Thanks for the review! I was going to get the combustion one because I really like what they did with the thermometer itself but they don't ship to my address! I ended up ordering the Meater 2. The app definitely looks awesome
Awesome comparison!!! Thanks. I’m using the 4-probe wired Inkbird. How about a wired probe comparison? Thanks again 😊👍👍
I also have the MeatStick you didn’t look below the graph of your cook that is where you can put your notes at and they have mini MeatStick for smaller cuts of meat I choose this one to because you can also deep fried with them deep fried turkey and you can connect up to eight different color sticks
Thanks
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Another brilliant video James…. I’ve been watching/subscribed to your channel for a few years now, and bought the Meater + over a year ago based upon your opinion of it then….
I am very much a “low-tech” guy (as I said when you reviewed the wired KJ…. I can’t get far enough away from “technology” when I’m grilling…. I just love managing fire/temp/time on my own….)…. So, I am one of the ones you just mentioned that needs apps to be simple…. and the Meater app is a thing of beauty….. so intuitive, easy to work with, incredibly useful….for a low-tech guy like me.
Great video James…. 👍🏼👍🏼
Great comparison video! My MEATER is old enough that I am wondering when it might fail. So knowing about all the options is very helpful. Thanks!
I really wanted this to be more informative that it was for me to compare with devices I don't own. I have the temp spike myself and have no problems with the app, but since you didn't actually get into what you didn't like or what problems you thought it had, there's no way to know what's supposedly "better" about the others.
Excellent review! Clear concise and easy to follow your criteria and assessment. I definitely agree with you about the importance of the app because a poorly designed app will drag down a technologically superior product.
Agreed, who in their right mind would want well-done pieces? :) Great job on the review it was quite helpful. I was considering upgrading my original Meater and now I'm equipped to make the best decision.
U needed to include the BFOUR BF-40! I bought it and had connectivity issues! I just ordered the Meat Stick!
I had to return my meater 4 probe kit. Honestly, it was probably the worst purchase I have ever made as far as thermometers go. I would definitely look for alternative now.
I have the TempSpike, actually 3 TempSpikes - which is the max the app can monitor. I wish you had added information about that - number of probes the app can monitor. I like to have lots of data and often run a Fireboard (6 probes) along with another unit running 4 probes as well for a combination of ambient and internal meat temps. Then I'll have my 3 TempSpikes in some of the meat I'm cooking. Personally, I'd love to be able to get rid of ALL the wires - but obviously, with the low temps limitations of these probes (210-212ºF for the tips) they can't be used for ambient cooker temp monitoring. I've found the ambient external probes on at least the TempSpike to be fairly useless, as the cooler air bubble around one's brisket or other large hunk of meat to throw off the monitoring enough that you can't really keep an eye on your smoker temps reliably. I agree the TempSpike app is lacking - though it is simple, I felt. Just I like more functionality - I want graphs, etc., and I'd like to be able to display multiple graphed probes at once, and I'd really like to be able to monitor more than three probes.
My other HUGE gripe about the TempSpike is the difficulty in keeping each probe paired with its respective base unit/booster. These do NOT interchange, they can NOT be reprogrammed to mate up with whichever probe you put in it, etc. I've come to the conclusion I need to put a dab of high temp paint on the external end of each probe and a matching color on the base/booster units. These are a real pain to try to keep straight which probe goes with which booster. Just another complication, and will be worsened if/when they upgrade the app to handle more probes - although their support tells me that as of now, this is not in the works or planned. So I will likely move to another platform over time. Just my personal preference. Their support is great, though, and responsive - I've talked with them over email, facebook AND texting and have been very pleased with ThermoPro's support.
Features, specifications, and experiments aside, Combustion Inc's Predictive Thermometer beats the rest for ACTUALLY COOKING FOOD PERFECTLY. The first two times I used mine it was a Beef Wellington and then some very thick ribeye steaks. I just could not believe how perfect both turned out. The 8 sensors in the Combustion Inc thermometer, paired with the mathematically superior algorithms they use to calculate cooking time based on how those sensors read over time, nails it beautifully.
That is a very in depth test and comparison you did for these probes. I think I might want more sensors in my Meater probe but would have to try it to see if it worth it. As an electrical engineer and Ham radio operator, you distance testing was fair because you did the same thing for each probe and it is very real life in backyards. High frequency radio waves are attenuated when passing thru objects vs line of sight. I would like to see a distance test using your pizza oven or house oven since it has the most enclosed metal box. I tried my Meater probe in my house oven and it had a very short transmission distance like in feet. I noticed that you use your probes for short cooks like the New York Strip were I use my Thermapen. Adding notes to cooks is a good idea and therefore I start using the Meater probe for my short cooks too.
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i've got a m+. it's fine for grilling, but for doing real, actual, serious cooks. the thermoworks smoke is far superior. no, it's not wireless from the probes to the transmitter, but the range is huge to the remote (way past wifi range, for those of us who have larger properties and are out on the tractor. you can replace the probes cheaply, and the smoke will control the temperature in a wood or charcoal smoker via a billows blower.
I do a lot of spit-roasting on my BBQ and MEATER looks like it would work for me. I don't need excessive amounts of range and I appreciate accurate temperatures. Until I watched this video, my understanding was that most wireless probe thermometers weren't exactly accurate.
I also like the idea of not messing with connecting wires.
Thanks for your review.
I compared the Tempspike with the Meater Plus probe but found the M+ kept disconnecting from Bluetooth even when the base is next to the probe. Whereas the Tempspike kept a stable connection throughout the house.
Although i didn't do an actual cook i mock tested it by placing it in a cup of hot water upto the marker point alongside the ThermoPro Tempspike then compared both readings with an instant read thermometer. Both were within a degree of each other & accurate to the instant read.
Another difference is that the Tempspike would read the ambient temperature at room temperature when the Meater+ would not as too low. This might suggest the Tempspike has a better sensor.
One minor drawback to the app, unlike with the Tempspike, is that it does not allow you to set a pre-alert by a lower temperature before it reaches the target temperature.
With the Tempspike at half the price of the Meater Plus its hard to justify buying it.
Great well detailed exploration on wireless meat thermometers.I received my Meater for Christmas 2 years ago and at first I thought why do I need a remote thermometer? I love this device it saves you time and no more overdone meat. I would fully recommend the Meater to anyone that cooks any kind of meat,from fish to poultry and especially red meat. Cheers
I'd love to know the environment and surroundings that these companies test the range. Not just the wireless ones, but all of the temp probe companies. Every one I own is full of it.
Very good comparison video though. Really detailed and thorough. I'm going to keep my eye on that Combustion model as it looks like they are trying to address my biggest issue with wireless probes...the enormous width.
Same here, mine is the Probe Plus FM 212 and with my house being blocks and thick walls, and with the WIFI modem in the basement and the smoker is on the deck. The instructions did say that some walls or fixtures would interfere with the signal etc.
Just used mine (meater)for the first time yesterday. The awesome feature is that I could see the temperature on my Iwatch.
100%
I use the meter block also as an extender. I put the meter block as far away from the cooki as I can in the direction that I am going and extend the Bluetooth direction that way. I have been able to monitor my cook from inside my house with Bluetooth only.
Here's where we have to agree to disagree. I've had the Meater+ and couldn't stand it. Walk 10 feet away and boom, it disconnects. I personally don't care about an app. I care if it reads the correct temp. And if it stays connected with good range. I bought the TempSpike recently and absolutely love it. The temp has been spot on. The range is awesome. And I personally don't care if the app isn't as fancy as others. So like I said. Agree to disagree. Keep up the great work.
Since I got my MEATER plus 3 years ago I’ve seen the consistency of my cooks improve dramatically. I always tell people that this will improve their cooks way more than upgrading their grill or smokers.
right on!
Lucky! Since I got my meater block, it’s done a great job holding papers down on my desk. Because it won’t connect to anything properly and doesn’t work.
FireBoard! The app, connection and fan control it’s just so much better!
I have a MEATER BLOCK, no issues at all, ever. Original and the best, also, unlike the poster, I paid for mine and use it a lot.
I paid for my original Meater plus and block. This test unit years later along with one from each brand was provided
I guess connection with types of grills and longevity is the key for these high priced items. Also what you intend to do with it. Idk about everyone else but most use these indoors on their stove as well. So as a jump to this and jump to that perspective might need to be considered. Chefs are usually cooking a lot of foods. Might be something to consider when buying one.
Good review.. but was wondering if being fully charged would make a difference. I have an older inkbird that would drop connection if not fully charged.. then again it uses 4.2 bluetooth. I also have the temp spike and found that placing the base just a bit farther away from the probe in the cook seems to widen the overall range.. I do like it and the app is basic like me.. I guess it's dependent on the user.. tomatoe.. tomaawww-tow. Hehe. Anywhaaay good review. Keep em coming
Hi. Thanks for the info. Been asked to buy a BBQ thermometer thing as a gift.
Bought two TempSpikes 4 months ago. First one worked twice, then refused to reconnect to my phone regardless of all troubleshooting, including removing and readding and using the manufacturer's instructions to reset. Returned. Second one was working up until last week, now it won't connect to the phone either. Haven't had time to troubleshoot it, but if it has also failed, I'm moving on to the Meater.
So, I wound up with the MEATER block and the combustion predictive probe. Can’t have too many toys. Anyway, I’ve used the MEATER multiple times but when the predictive probe showed up I really like the theory of the multiple sensors and the small diameter so I gave it a whirl. I would say it has lots of great attributes but the MEATER ease of use and range make it the hands down winner. I think MEATER needs to buy combustion inc and give us the best of both worlds. Meat was great though.
Agree. That hw and software combination would be hands down miles ahead of the pack
@@SmokingDadBBQ How about that compared to ChefIQ?
Combustion probe is hands down best in class.
They do a good job but until the nearly year now delayed app features make it out to consumers it’s still second place in my book
Typhur Sync best of all? Has WiFi built in to the base unit and has 2 probes
Was hoping to see Chef iQ in this battle.
I prefer my TempSpike to both my Meater and Meater+. Nice job though.
Great video. Probably the best review I've seen on RUclips. I will keep my Meater. Looking forward to more.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The Combustion unit is made by a highly technical cooking nerd. Better technically but may lack a feature of wifi ... buy only if you want the best information during your cook.
Wish you would have tested or shown ambient temperatures during a cook. Tempspike works well except for ambient temperature reading. Usually off between 20-50 degrees. Insert the probe up to the notch and temperature external (ambient) temperature just does not track accurately. Ambient temp seems to climb when internal temp does. Becomes more accurate toward the end of the cook, like internal meat temperature resonates through the probe and skews the ambient. Customer service is great. They sent me a new probe (only the probe) and again the temperature for the ambient sensor is just not dependable.
Meatstick does make a short probe
I think that MeatStick really missed the mark with their 4X line. Having a sensor near the base of the probe then telling you that it can’t go past 212F? When I’m smoking I usually trip the alarm near the end of the cook. (The tip approaches 205ish while the more proximal sensors are higher than 205) So I wind up shoving the ceramic portion of the probe into the meat to cool down that base sensor so that the alarm will leave me alone.
Good video James. If you do a follow up, would be good to test the accuracy of the cook time prediction. Also the accuracy of the ambient temperature reading.
Meter works great when it works. I have random connecting issues even though the app is updated and my phone is updated. I can never get a full charge and I’ve cleaned the contact points and I’ve changed the battery. It stays at around half charge. It will randomly disconnect, then my phone will have a hard time finding it. Which sucks because for short cooks I’m choosing a handheld thermometer. I pretty much only use a meter for when I’m smoking something for a long time. And I only have one in the battery doesn’t last the entirety of the cook.
Honestly, it was nice for my first cooks. It gave me that piece of mind of not going to high, not going to low. But honestly guys. Buy a thermo pro. The foldable ones like $15 the non fold is like 10. It’s used by 90% of restaurants you get reading in less than two seconds. And doesn’t leave gaping holes in your steak. Plus, you can probe on different parts of a big piece of meat.
The working distance on wireless products is based on "line of sight." The moment that you walk around a corner as you did during your testing will result in a very large signal loss. I wish that there would have been a bit more emphasis on the advantage of having multiple sensors in the probe. Thanks for a great job!
Thanks, yes the line of sight I have no doubt works as advertised in a large open space... my intent there was to show more common household scenarios where people send notes saying they are losing signal.
Good advice on the multi sensor part, i will add more to future videos