You are correct about naming confusion. At some point I’m guessing it will be simplified when beta becomes a full release. (“In two weeks!” 😀) thank you for the clarification.
Thanks for sharing this. I was a little consumed why I only had FSD beta on city streets & not highways 🤷🏽. What I did to not get strikes & when I knew I needed to disengage, I created another profile with both AP & FSD beta off & click on that profile while driving made it easier for me instead on going into controls etc…
Good video…I got 3 strikes while in AP on the highway. For some reason the car kept thinking I was about to hit something and kicked me out of AP without warning and gave me strikes, so I just turned FSD beta completely off until I got home. So for me it’s been easier to get the strikes on the highway as opposed to city streets. Side note…I’ve had beta since October
Is there any way to recover from having 4 strikes? I’d be willing to start over from scratch. What happens when you get kicked out? I have turned off so as to protect getting it when a new version comes out. Did you ever figure out what happens if you’re kicked out?
Didn’t realize we had access to toggle FSD Beta on. Had already acquired 4 strikes on AP with FSD beta off. We toggled it on and there is a small not that says “Auto pilot has been disabled four times due to improper use. FSD beta will no longer operate if auto pilot disabled 5 times.” We will be driving with it on FSD beta toggled on and when we get one more strike we will let you know if we lost access from the previous 4 strikes toggled off. Wish us luck. 🤞🏽
@@victorvictor2754 we got one hit on with it toggled on and yeah it kicked us out. We had to wait for next update for 5 more strikes. So now we are good with 5 more Strikes since last update.
Have been driving fsd for months with no issues, but in the last 3 days, I got 3 strikes. So I turned off the fsd. It's getting too stressful to keep checking the dash for warnings. Aren't we supposed to keep our eyes on the road ???? It causes more driving fatigue now. And yes, hands on the wheel will still get the strike.
I got one strike on autopilot on highway. There was traffic and I was behind some trucks. The Tesla would start to pass, then stop. After a few attempts I decided to help. I hit the (gas) and zoomed to apparently over 85 mph, warning signs, lots of noise, I immediately took my foot off the power thruster but did not move the steering wheel to disengage auto pilot. The red wheel of death appeared, I moved the wheel, too late obviously, and I now have one red mark. I learned a Tesla lesson so not all bad. I clearly will watch my passing acceleration closely in the future. The car is just so quick.
The hell you live where you got 85 mph highways? 🤐 Here in NJ max we're used to is 60 sometimes 65, I feel like I'm street racing when I'm passing at 70 😅 8:57 PM 6/29/2022
@@happyjohn1656 I didn’t mean to go so fast. I was at 75 (speed limit was 70). I punched the accelerator to quickly pass a line of trucks. The S is sooooo quick I hit 85+ really fast and way before I realized it. I learned my lesson. Don’t punch when you’re already at 75.
Only enough I got a strike but was holding on to the steering wheel ( I was holding it on 12 and 6) I wish they had a better system for detecting if folks were paying attention.
I had two force disengagements where the car did not issue any warnings i.e. no visual or audio. It just threw the takeover immediately red hands. In both cases, I was paying full attention (I wonder how well Tesla's facial recognition software is able to recognize people with darker skin tones). With 3 remaining strikes, I am hesitant to use FSD on any roads except the easy ones. Sigh!
Yeah I believe they might be having the same problem that Apple and other smart phones did when they first released facial recognition where it wouldn’t work as well on darker skinned people, not exactly sure on the fix to that but perhaps it’s just about improving Ai based visible spectrum facial mapping rather than more sensors
Just got beta today and tried on street then just got 2 strikes without warning, no cars on road…😢 I’ll try camera recalibration tomorrow morning.. Thank you
I had strikes counted against me when FSD is turned off. My wife doesn't use FSD and had it off, but she managed to get strikes to kick us out of beta.
I love this ... however I was falsely accused twice during my safety score rating and submitted a bug report both times. they told me then that the score would reset after 30 days which sounds a lot more lenient than losing your fsd for good! In retrospect, since experiencing my fsd beta, the car has greatly readjusted the reaction time, and not over reacted! Much improved. Kudos tesla team.
My FSD Beta says I get 3 disengagements, not 5. I wonder what the reason is for this discrepancy? I have FSD Beta in my 2017 MX 100D. Just putting the car in park and then back in drive will reengage Auto-Pilot, there's no need to get out of the car.
@@BlackTesla my understanding is legacy Model S and X that do not have the cabin camera use the 3 strike protocol vice and Tesla that has a cabin camera and running FSD Beta. My legacy MX with FSD Beta shows the 3 strike language like David Blakley mentioned. Love your channel - excellent content. What ever happened to your wheel / rim from the curb you took on the FSD drive right turn? Thanks - Troy
I have heard many cases where the FSD Beta toggle is OFF & people are getting strikes that count against them while driving with Autosteer/Autopilot/NoA. This even happens if you use another driver profile with FSD Beta completely disabled.
@@BlackTesla I do not, but many people on the Tesla Beta Testers group on Facebook are mentioning this. At least 5 people have gotten strikes with the Beta toggle turned off and even while using a separate driver profile.
@@BlackTesla wish I could attach pictures to my comments on here, but here is what is posted on FB: “Yeah, it sucks. I have 3 strikes while beta was turned off. And I was even on the interstate. Stupid logic.” And another: “FSD strike with FSD turned OFF?!? I turned off FSD Beta because I got 2 strikes in 2 weeks after the previous 8 months of using FSD Beta with only a single strike. While on AutoPilot (not FSD), it kept nagging me to take my eyes off the road and tug the wheel. Then it said Autosteer is unavailable. Fine. When I parked it said I got an FSD strike! “Improper use of FSD Beta”. What?! FSD is OFF! See pics. You get FSD strikes on AutoPilot?! And the last 3 strikes were with my eyes on the road where they should be. This is BS. If I quit FSD and get a good safety score like 99 or 100 and rejoin, are strikes reset?”, and another: “Same thing happened to me twice on a recent road trip. I turned off FSD beta so I wouldn’t have to worry about the nanny cam. Gave me strikes anyway.”
Interesting maybe there is a bug, where FSD is not actually turned off and that's why strikes are accumulated. I am on the latest 12.2 release and have intentionally let myself go warnings with AP active but FSD OFF and haven't gotten another strike.
Received 2 stricks in 10 seconds within my first hour of installing FSD. It seemed unjustified because there were no threats, and l was attentive while coming to a stop. I wasn't certain of the amount of hand force to use while gripping the stearing wheel. Oh well
@@BlackTesla ah, I see now. Thank you. Mine reads "if autopilot disables five times due to improper use FSD beta will no longer operate. This vehicle has not had any such events". I could have sworn that I've seen the red steering wheel once, but evidently not? In any case, I am both relieved and happy!
Love your videos. I’m on strike 4😫. The last 2 seemed really unjustified. Seems super sensitive. I was adjusting the nav screen .Do you think they will reset strikes with V11? What are your thoughts ?
Thanks sorry to hear that, it has been super sensitive since going wide I think they're trying to be extremely cautious. I'd recommend doing nothing but paying attention to the road while on FSD, anything you need to adjust you can do via voice commands i.e. zoom in, zoom out, show next turn, show trip, etc. I'm hopeful they will reset with v11 but who knows they've been pretty unpredictable as of late.
Same. Strike 4. And I only have FSD beta on city streets when I take the highway it goes away and I don’t have auto lane change anymore or any basic functionality of navigate on auto pilot. While n highway :/
I'm a bit confused at 6:37. You don't get a whole strike just because you looked at your phone. It'll just give you a warning on the dash. I've gotten that alert a few times but still have 0 strikes
That clip is from this video: ruclips.net/video/ERLnzBMU1e0/видео.html In it the car thinks our camera is a phone and it had been throwing warnings up to that point so after X number of warnings it finally gave a strike.
@@BlackTesla Gotcha. So it wasn't a strike the moment they saw you on your phone. That's what I was worried about and even had to run back out to my car to make sure I still had 0 :D
@@pastpianist sometimes you will get instant strikes with no warnings. This will start to happen if you get a strike or two or start doing things you shouldn’t be doing. The first time this happens (instant strike with no warning messages “please pay attention to the road”), be aware that you probably won’t see anymore warning messages.
I believe Ford owns "Co-Pilot" just as they own "Model E" which was the original name of the Model 3 and Tesla had to pivot to "3" with the three horizontal stripes as a work around.
@@BlackTesla Possible but I don’t think a trademark can be had for “Autopilot” or “Co-Pilot” either. Worst case, Tesla would be good making it “Tesla Co-Pilot” - Because Co-Pilot is a broad use term.
@@CYCLEGAMER1 Because it’s been getting very critical scrutiny from different agencies, government bodies, news media and the general public for being a misleading term based upon its current state of capability.
1) yes 2) depends on how long you look. In general if you look at anything for a prolonged period of time the system will catch you. It's especially tuned to identify phones so if you glance at a phone it will ping you to stay alert.
Same with me I Got it on June 9th and it’s June 29th now, so this is the 20th day I’ve been waiting. I have a 98 saftey score. I’m not sure but I think roll outs happen during fsd beta updates. I think they add more people to the beta program every update. But that’s my guess. If that was the case then we’ll be waiting for the next update to happen. The last update was in MAY!!
@@liamreardon1746 Yep, that makes a lot of sense. I at first thought it was on an individual rollout timing but it makes more sense that its part of each update. Good luck to you!
My FSD is fucked. I get cabin camera errors consistantly and I think it has caused issues. I have 1 strike left. I put in a service request and I'm asking them to reset the Telemetry. We will see how it goes.
So I'm 4 strikes now but I don't know what does revoked FSD beta mean is that mean they revoked the FSD which I pay 12000$ for and the car can not change lane and exit by itself anymore or what?
He is wrong! To get my self drive back, just stop, put it in park and I get self drive again. I’ve been purchasing self drive since 2017, three different vehicles, I don’t know if that puts me in a different category but you should try simply putting it in park and seeing if you get self drive back. The above video is either wrong or incomplete.
Yo i got a question if anyone out there can answer me i have been looking at videos of other people self parking their car why cant i do it? I go to the mall alot it is why im asking.
what should we do or whom should we contact if it incorrectly kicks you out of autopilot? now I have 4 strikes because of this incorrect autopilot kick while my hands were on the wheel, applying pressure the whole time
No one sadly, you have to wait until they reset them fleet-wide. They are expected to reset them when they release FSD Beta 11.0 expected in the next few weeks.
This is so frustrating. I think, still not 100% sure, that im locked out of FSD perhaps because of strikes? This entire concept i knew nothing about unyil today. I tried to ask the service folks about why I couldnt use fsd and they tried to convince me it was never paid for which definitely was not the case. Have had the car still less than a month and somehow must've accumulated these strikes. I wish it would've at least told me when i received a strike so i could take note of what to do better. I only saw the red steering wheel once and i didn't think it was a problem, it literally slowly came to a stop to make a right turn, no other cars coming, on autopilot and it turned red. I just assumed it couldnt make the turn for some reason and didn't think much about it. Curious if the previous owner had strikes on the car i wasnt aware of?? I drive like barely 10 miles a day most days so I'm sincerely not understanding how the car has been silently building strikes against me. When, if ever, does it come back and reset for use?
You cannot reset it, only a new update from Tesla can reset it. However there should be a timeout in place now so that if you get 5 strikes there is a 2 week timeout period before it resets, check your release notes to see if you have it.
Hey BT, have you personally gotten any strikes? I know you have received the red steering wheel and got tossed out of an FSD drive, but that wasn't a strike, correct? It just wants you to take over, not necessarily because you've done anything wrong, yes?
@@BlackTesla Yikes. I watched that vid and couldn't really see anything you did wrong there. I do notice that you push the limits on providing steering wheel feedback. Could that have been a determining factor, you think? I always think it's better to learn from other peoples mistakes, whenever possible, but I really can't see how you could have avoided that strike.
Seems like if you have to have your hands on the wheel all the time while using FSD, might as well not use FSD at all, go back to human driving, and save money for something else. Confused with FSD!!!!! Do you have to keep your hands on the wheel all the time? Or just periodically?? How hard do you have to squeeze the steering wheel in FSD? You don't show this in the video.
You need to keep your hands on the wheel periodically not all the time. However, Tesla advises you to keep your hand on the wheel at all times as this is still in beta and it can do the wrong thing at the worst time. So for now everyone should keep their hands on the wheel at all times. Once out of beta they will leverage the internal camera (for cars that have it) as a means to monitor and you won't need to rest your hands on the wheel.
Not responding to visual warnings causes strikes. This includes looking away from the road, looking at your phone too long, looking at the screen too long, or just not having your hands on the wheel long enough. There are other anomalous incidents that cause strikes but they all stem from responsiveness to warnings or having the system repeatedly remind you to pay attention.
If there is more than one driver and profile, do Tesla use the combined number of strikes? Is there anyplace where I can see how many strikes have accumulated?
One more question, please. If one is unwise or unfortunate enough to accumulate 5 strikes and get tossed out of the current version beta that they're in, will the next beta update let them back in? Also, I have created an alt profile in my vehicle with FSD beta turned off, for when I'm driving with the old lady who refuses to let me use beta while she's in the car. Heh. I have also not enabled beta for her profile.
It's unclear as to when or if it will be returned so hard to say. However, there are some people who had lost it when strikes were 3 but it was returned at a later date.
Has there been a change? I am on 25.5 just got it and thought the highway driving kickouts which I was randomly getting didnt affect FSD... but I got 5 and am kicked out of Fsd beta..... I hope they reset these in January like they did last January... I have seen so many videos saying that if you run the fsd off and get kicked out on highway it won't count against your strikes but this seems to no longer be true!! Oh Black Tesla you are awesome by the way!
They have already unified the strikes since we published the video so it will persist with full stack v11 😞 but they should also be resetting strikes with v11 as well
Now that NTSB is investigating the use of Auto Pilot and systems like that in other vehicles there is concern that the government may shut down its use. I suspect that is why the STRIKE system is now in place and being enforced. There are people out there that do NOT want anyone using any BETA software to control vehicles and they're pushing hard to force manufacturers to test these systems in closed environments. Of course, the problem with that are all of the edge cases that no closed test track can provide. Stopping its use on public roadways will set back development of such systems by years. IMHO
I think it's more the case that the competition that has the ear of the administration wants to slow down Tesla as they are too far ahead, so the NTSB is being used to investigate something that's not a real issue.
Is there any way to recover from having 4 strikes? I’d be willing to start over from scratch. What happens when you get kicked out? I have turned off so as to protect getting it when a new version comes out. Did you ever figure out what happens if you’re kicked out? I believe you can still get a strike with FSD beta turned off but on autopilot. My buddy was driving and got hit 3x for not paying attention to the nag. We were in the car 9 hours that day on a road trip and we were 2 miles from end of trip 😢
If you are kicked out I believe you can be reinstated with a strike reset update, but it's hard to say when or if that will happen. I think at the very least they will reset and reinstate people when it goes wide.
@@swapnilkotalwar my strikes were removed with updates and now I understand if you do get kicked out it’s only for a week or some other short period of time.
@@HowardFeinstein any way to clear accrued strikes? Or they only reset after 5 strikes only. Any way to clear those stikes? I was paying attention all time but still it forced this disengagement. This is my first week with car and I was paid in full for this service and was exited to try out almost everyday.
So if kicked out by 5 strikes, simple autosteer is also unavailable anymore? If I turn off the autopilot beta then autosteer will be restated for the next drive?
As of this video there was no way to decouple autosteer from FSD Beta so it was all disabled. However the latest build allows you to use each component separately (TACC, Autosteer, and FSD Beta) so now you should still be able to use basic navigate on Autopilot if you've been suspended by FSD Beta but I haven't confirmed this.
How can Tesla lock you out of something that you paid for? Lol, this makes no sense. If I pay $12k for FSD, I expect to be able to use it no matter what. Someone needs to clear this up. Unless we're talking about just the ability to use the beta version of FSD and not the final version. Which I guess makes sense, it's still kind of silly in my opinion.
💯 I dony like this at all. If you pay for it you should own it and you should be able to transfer it as well. But I understand the level of scrutiny Tesla is under with this tech people at this very moment are trying to get NHTSA to shut it down. So they are being overly cautious. Sadly Tesla features like this ate perpetually in BETA as a means of legal liability. So there is no final version just a version where they will allow mass owners to enable it.
i dont understand why every one of the video on autopilot is supporting tesla, despite paying 15K for the feature. i think they have NO right to disable anything they sold you. unless they refund.
I understand your position but I have to remind you that in its current form it is in early access beta that technically is not supposed to be accessible to the public which is why Tesla can choose who it goes to and how it works based on behavior. However since they are actively selling this feature they are forced to give it to people who bought it in its current form so hence their ability to take it away if anyone compromises the development/advancement. I know it's messed up but that's the reality, and under normal circumstances almost no customer would have access in its current form the way Tesla used to beta test their features.
@@BlackTesla you need to refund my money in that case; next thing you say is you had 3 accidents driving can not drive tesla/anymore. Once you sold it no more yours... #TeslaFakeSale #ThereAreBetterOptionsThanTesla.. I think this needs to be thorough regulated.
💯 but not because of the price just because of the state of technology. We have the car which has AI and can navigate environments and turn-by-turn voice guidance but they don't marry the 2 so the car can tell you what it intends to do before it does it.
You are correct about naming confusion. At some point I’m guessing it will be simplified when beta becomes a full release. (“In two weeks!” 😀) thank you for the clarification.
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Best description I've seen of the difference between autopilot & FSD beta.
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Thanks for sharing this. I was a little consumed why I only had FSD beta on city streets & not highways 🤷🏽. What I did to not get strikes & when I knew I needed to disengage, I created another profile with both AP & FSD beta off & click on that profile while driving made it easier for me instead on going into controls etc…
Insightful content as always. Just got FSD Beta a few weeks ago, doing okay so far.
Awesome keep it up!
This really helped explain FSD better. Delivery person did not go over that at All!
Glad to help! In most cases delivery people might not have access to FSD Beta so they may not know.
Good video…I got 3 strikes while in AP on the highway. For some reason the car kept thinking I was about to hit something and kicked me out of AP without warning and gave me strikes, so I just turned FSD beta completely off until I got home. So for me it’s been easier to get the strikes on the highway as opposed to city streets. Side note…I’ve had beta since October
Wow interesting, highway has been flawless for us. You may want to consider a camera recalibration.
@@BlackTesla yeah that’s what a friend of mine said. My car has been acting really strange since I got 10.12.2!
Is there any way to recover from having 4 strikes? I’d be willing to start over from scratch. What happens when you get kicked out? I have turned off so as to protect getting it when a new version comes out. Did you ever figure out what happens if you’re kicked out?
Didn’t realize we had access to toggle FSD Beta on. Had already acquired 4 strikes on AP with FSD beta off. We toggled it on and there is a small not that says “Auto pilot has been disabled four times due to improper use. FSD beta will no longer operate if auto pilot disabled 5 times.”
We will be driving with it on FSD beta toggled on and when we get one more strike we will let you know if we lost access from the previous 4 strikes toggled off. Wish us luck. 🤞🏽
How is it going? Still be able to use autosteer?
@@victorvictor2754 we got one hit on with it toggled on and yeah it kicked us out. We had to wait for next update for 5 more strikes. So now we are good with 5 more Strikes since last update.
Have been driving fsd for months with no issues, but in the last 3 days, I got 3 strikes. So I turned off the fsd. It's getting too stressful to keep checking the dash for warnings. Aren't we supposed to keep our eyes on the road ???? It causes more driving fatigue now. And yes, hands on the wheel will still get the strike.
Your videos are great. I've been gathering a lot of information while I wait for my M3LR to get here.
Thank you for the quality info!
Thanks for watching 👍🏾
Little bro at the end was the best part 😅😂
I got one strike on autopilot on highway. There was traffic and I was behind some trucks. The Tesla would start to pass, then stop. After a few attempts I decided to help. I hit the (gas) and zoomed to apparently over 85 mph, warning signs, lots of noise, I immediately took my foot off the power thruster but did not move the steering wheel to disengage auto pilot. The red wheel of death appeared, I moved the wheel, too late obviously, and I now have one red mark. I learned a Tesla lesson so not all bad. I clearly will watch my passing acceleration closely in the future. The car is just so quick.
Sorry to hear that, but yes exceeding AP limit of 85mph will trigger a forced disengagement.
The hell you live where you got 85 mph highways? 🤐
Here in NJ max we're used to is 60 sometimes 65, I feel like I'm street racing when I'm passing at 70 😅
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@@happyjohn1656 I didn’t mean to go so fast. I was at 75 (speed limit was 70). I punched the accelerator to quickly pass a line of trucks. The S is sooooo quick I hit 85+ really fast and way before I realized it. I learned my lesson. Don’t punch when you’re already at 75.
You can set max speed if u are cruising close to max to avoid that.
@@BerraLilltroll Pushing on pedal overrides
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Only enough I got a strike but was holding on to the steering wheel ( I was holding it on 12 and 6)
I wish they had a better system for detecting if folks were paying attention.
I had two force disengagements where the car did not issue any warnings i.e. no visual or audio. It just threw the takeover immediately red hands. In both cases, I was paying full attention (I wonder how well Tesla's facial recognition software is able to recognize people with darker skin tones). With 3 remaining strikes, I am hesitant to use FSD on any roads except the easy ones. Sigh!
😬 yikes! I'm not sure what's going on here but be careful with the remaining strikes. You may also want to do a camera recalibration as well.
Yeah I believe they might be having the same problem that Apple and other smart phones did when they first released facial recognition where it wouldn’t work as well on darker skinned people, not exactly sure on the fix to that but perhaps it’s just about improving Ai based visible spectrum facial mapping rather than more sensors
Just got beta today and tried on street then just got 2 strikes without warning, no cars on road…😢 I’ll try camera recalibration tomorrow morning.. Thank you
Usually, the car gives this kind of strike when it sees a sudden danger. When I had those, that didn't count on my strikes limit
I had strikes counted against me when FSD is turned off. My wife doesn't use FSD and had it off, but she managed to get strikes to kick us out of beta.
I have heard the same from many people.
Cannot happen. Please talk with your wife in a very supportive way and find out how she may have turned on FSD
@@wawynkoop how positive are you like actually. I’m scared I’m gonna lose mine I just got it
I got a strike today with FSD turned off.
@@mikejohnston9093 shiii confirmed. Always attentive with beta in the car
I love this ... however I was falsely accused twice during my safety score rating and submitted a bug report both times. they told me then that the score would reset after 30 days which sounds a lot more lenient than losing your fsd for good! In retrospect, since experiencing my fsd beta, the car has greatly readjusted the reaction time, and not over reacted!
Much improved. Kudos tesla team.
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FSD Beta v10.12.2 I still have max disables 3x how come some have 5x
Not sure, maybe people who've had it longer get more? 🤷🏾♂️
@@BlackTesla I have FSD Beta since 2020, maybe because I don't have cabin camera.
Same here. I have a 2017 model x 100D and I only have 3 strikes as well. I don’t have the cabin camera either.
My FSD Beta says I get 3 disengagements, not 5. I wonder what the reason is for this discrepancy? I have FSD Beta in my 2017 MX 100D. Just putting the car in park and then back in drive will reengage Auto-Pilot, there's no need to get out of the car.
What version of FSF Bets do you have.
@@BlackTesla my understanding is legacy Model S and X that do not have the cabin camera use the 3 strike protocol vice and Tesla that has a cabin camera and running FSD Beta. My legacy MX with FSD Beta shows the 3 strike language like David Blakley mentioned. Love your channel - excellent content. What ever happened to your wheel / rim from the curb you took on the FSD drive right turn? Thanks - Troy
I'm also not getting audible alerts before an FSD disengagement, only an audible alert when it disengages.
I have heard many cases where the FSD Beta toggle is OFF & people are getting strikes that count against them while driving with Autosteer/Autopilot/NoA. This even happens if you use another driver profile with FSD Beta completely disabled.
I've not experienced this or heard of it but believe it may be possible. Do you know the specs of the car or build of software?
@@BlackTesla I do not, but many people on the Tesla Beta Testers group on Facebook are mentioning this. At least 5 people have gotten strikes with the Beta toggle turned off and even while using a separate driver profile.
@@BlackTesla wish I could attach pictures to my comments on here, but here is what is posted on FB: “Yeah, it sucks. I have 3 strikes while beta was turned off. And I was even on the interstate. Stupid logic.” And another: “FSD strike with FSD turned OFF?!?
I turned off FSD Beta because I got 2 strikes in 2 weeks after the previous 8 months of using FSD Beta with only a single strike. While on AutoPilot (not FSD), it kept nagging me to take my eyes off the road and tug the wheel. Then it said Autosteer is unavailable. Fine. When I parked it said I got an FSD strike! “Improper use of FSD Beta”. What?! FSD is OFF! See pics. You get FSD strikes on AutoPilot?! And the last 3 strikes were with my eyes on the road where they should be. This is BS. If I quit FSD and get a good safety score like 99 or 100 and rejoin, are strikes reset?”, and another: “Same thing happened to me twice on a recent road trip. I turned off FSD beta so I wouldn’t have to worry about the nanny cam. Gave me strikes anyway.”
Interesting maybe there is a bug, where FSD is not actually turned off and that's why strikes are accumulated. I am on the latest 12.2 release and have intentionally let myself go warnings with AP active but FSD OFF and haven't gotten another strike.
Received 2 stricks in 10 seconds within my first hour of installing FSD. It seemed unjustified because there were no threats, and l was attentive while coming to a stop. I wasn't certain of the amount of hand force to use while gripping the stearing wheel. Oh well
I have been in beta for almost a month, now. No strikes so far, but where exactly on the display do the strikes show up? .
They show up under your FSD Beta button in the Autopilot menu. The disclaimer about the strikes is where it appears.
@@BlackTesla ah, I see now. Thank you. Mine reads "if autopilot disables five times due to improper use FSD beta will no longer operate. This vehicle has not had any such events". I could have sworn that I've seen the red steering wheel once, but evidently not? In any case, I am both relieved and happy!
Love your videos. I’m on strike 4😫. The last 2 seemed really unjustified. Seems super sensitive. I was adjusting the nav screen .Do you think they will reset strikes with V11? What are your thoughts ?
Thanks sorry to hear that, it has been super sensitive since going wide I think they're trying to be extremely cautious. I'd recommend doing nothing but paying attention to the road while on FSD, anything you need to adjust you can do via voice commands i.e. zoom in, zoom out, show next turn, show trip, etc. I'm hopeful they will reset with v11 but who knows they've been pretty unpredictable as of late.
Same boat as you
how long does it take for the strikes to go away?
Same. Strike 4. And I only have FSD beta on city streets when I take the highway it goes away and I don’t have auto lane change anymore or any basic functionality of navigate on auto pilot. While n highway :/
You can reset just by pulling over or stopping at light and put in park. You don’t need to get out of car.
I'm a bit confused at 6:37. You don't get a whole strike just because you looked at your phone. It'll just give you a warning on the dash. I've gotten that alert a few times but still have 0 strikes
That clip is from this video: ruclips.net/video/ERLnzBMU1e0/видео.html
In it the car thinks our camera is a phone and it had been throwing warnings up to that point so after X number of warnings it finally gave a strike.
@@BlackTesla Gotcha. So it wasn't a strike the moment they saw you on your phone. That's what I was worried about and even had to run back out to my car to make sure I still had 0 :D
@@pastpianist sometimes you will get instant strikes with no warnings. This will start to happen if you get a strike or two or start doing things you shouldn’t be doing. The first time this happens (instant strike with no warning messages “please pay attention to the road”), be aware that you probably won’t see anymore warning messages.
Got a strike on highway autopilot for changing my route and selecting a different supercharger... cool. Don’t use nav friends.
Yeah its overly sensitive now, they plan to relax it on v11 🤞🏾
They really should just suck it up and rebrand from “Autopilot” to “Co-Pilot”
Why…it’s just a name! And when it’s finished should they rename it again back autopilot?
I believe Ford owns "Co-Pilot" just as they own "Model E" which was the original name of the Model 3 and Tesla had to pivot to "3" with the three horizontal stripes as a work around.
@@BlackTesla Possible but I don’t think a trademark can be had for “Autopilot” or “Co-Pilot” either. Worst case, Tesla would be good making it “Tesla Co-Pilot” - Because Co-Pilot is a broad use term.
@@CYCLEGAMER1 Because it’s been getting very critical scrutiny from different agencies, government bodies, news media and the general public for being a misleading term based upon its current state of capability.
How come? I think people need to educate themselves on what autopilot does for aircraft. Pilots pay full attention when autopilot is on!
Two questions:
1. Once FSD goes to the masses (v11 presumable) will there still be “strikes”?
2. Will looking at a watch constitute a strike?
1) yes
2) depends on how long you look. In general if you look at anything for a prolonged period of time the system will catch you. It's especially tuned to identify phones so if you glance at a phone it will ping you to stay alert.
Just got the beta, this helps alot! Any other tips?
ruclips.net/video/z3wM3xdOdI0/видео.html
Still waiting to get into Beta, have a 99 score and its been about 3 weeks. Not sure when/how the roll-out works.
Stay patient also make sure your car is connected to wifi when at home
@@BlackTesla Why does the vehicle need to be connected to wifi at home? Asking since just starting FSD tomorrow
Same with me I Got it on June 9th and it’s June 29th now, so this is the 20th day I’ve been waiting. I have a 98 saftey score. I’m not sure but I think roll outs happen during fsd beta updates. I think they add more people to the beta program every update. But that’s my guess. If that was the case then we’ll be waiting for the next update to happen. The last update was in MAY!!
@@liamreardon1746 Yep, that makes a lot of sense. I at first thought it was on an individual rollout timing but it makes more sense that its part of each update. Good luck to you!
@@tcunero Yah, you too!
I have had zero disengagements and my safety score is still 96. Seems to be an issue with following too close .
My FSD is fucked. I get cabin camera errors consistantly and I think it has caused issues. I have 1 strike left. I put in a service request and I'm asking them to reset the Telemetry. We will see how it goes.
How’d it go
So I'm 4 strikes now but I don't know what does revoked FSD beta mean is that mean they revoked the FSD which I pay 12000$ for and the car can not change lane and exit by itself anymore or what?
It means all the features you gained by enabling FSD Beta are disabled, which is basically the city streets functionality
He is wrong! To get my self drive back, just stop, put it in park and I get self drive again.
I’ve been purchasing self drive since 2017, three different vehicles, I don’t know if that puts me in a different category but you should try simply putting it in park and seeing if you get self drive back. The above video is either wrong or incomplete.
Question if you get the 5 strikes how long will FSD be disabled ?
Disabled immediately but only for 1 week
@@BlackTesla thanks just subscribed to your channel
Yo i got a question if anyone out there can answer me i have been looking at videos of other people self parking their car why cant i do it? I go to the mall alot it is why im asking.
what should we do or whom should we contact if it incorrectly kicks you out of autopilot? now I have 4 strikes because of this incorrect autopilot kick while my hands were on the wheel, applying pressure the whole time
No one sadly, you have to wait until they reset them fleet-wide. They are expected to reset them when they release FSD Beta 11.0 expected in the next few weeks.
This is so frustrating. I think, still not 100% sure, that im locked out of FSD perhaps because of strikes? This entire concept i knew nothing about unyil today. I tried to ask the service folks about why I couldnt use fsd and they tried to convince me it was never paid for which definitely was not the case. Have had the car still less than a month and somehow must've accumulated these strikes. I wish it would've at least told me when i received a strike so i could take note of what to do better. I only saw the red steering wheel once and i didn't think it was a problem, it literally slowly came to a stop to make a right turn, no other cars coming, on autopilot and it turned red. I just assumed it couldnt make the turn for some reason and didn't think much about it. Curious if the previous owner had strikes on the car i wasnt aware of?? I drive like barely 10 miles a day most days so I'm sincerely not understanding how the car has been silently building strikes against me.
When, if ever, does it come back and reset for use?
Should come back with the next update
Trying to figure out how to rest that point system I got a warning today. Have 4 left how can I reset it back to 5? Anyone know????
You cannot reset it, only a new update from Tesla can reset it. However there should be a timeout in place now so that if you get 5 strikes there is a 2 week timeout period before it resets, check your release notes to see if you have it.
Hey BT, have you personally gotten any strikes? I know you have received the red steering wheel and got tossed out of an FSD drive, but that wasn't a strike, correct? It just wants you to take over, not necessarily because you've done anything wrong, yes?
Yes I got 1 and that was the one you saw. Red steering wheel counts as a strike.
@@BlackTesla Yikes. I watched that vid and couldn't really see anything you did wrong there. I do notice that you push the limits on providing steering wheel feedback. Could that have been a determining factor, you think? I always think it's better to learn from other peoples mistakes, whenever possible, but I really can't see how you could have avoided that strike.
I wish the system would tell you how many strikes you have.
It tells you in the Autopilot menu under the FSD Beta button
can't live without my Beta. just like I can't live without my Tesla. gotta be carefullllll
Seems like if you have to have your hands on the wheel all the time while using FSD, might as well not use FSD at all, go back to human driving, and save money for something else.
Confused with FSD!!!!!
Do you have to keep your hands on the wheel all the time? Or just periodically?? How hard do you have to squeeze the steering wheel in FSD? You don't show this in the video.
You need to keep your hands on the wheel periodically not all the time. However, Tesla advises you to keep your hand on the wheel at all times as this is still in beta and it can do the wrong thing at the worst time. So for now everyone should keep their hands on the wheel at all times. Once out of beta they will leverage the internal camera (for cars that have it) as a means to monitor and you won't need to rest your hands on the wheel.
Was hoping to have learned more on what causes a strike. Do you have a video that causes that?
Not responding to visual warnings causes strikes. This includes looking away from the road, looking at your phone too long, looking at the screen too long, or just not having your hands on the wheel long enough. There are other anomalous incidents that cause strikes but they all stem from responsiveness to warnings or having the system repeatedly remind you to pay attention.
Man that Intro song
If there is more than one driver and profile, do Tesla use the combined number of strikes? Is there anyplace where I can see how many strikes have accumulated?
I believe they're cumulative per car. You can see the strikes under the FSD Beta option under Autopilot in the menu
Everything ok bruh? haven't posted in a while.
Vacationing just got back new content coming this week! 👍🏾
@@BlackTesla Glad to hear! Just in time for the next beta update... maybe. cough.
good to know 👍
I got 2 strikes when fsd was disabled but I disengaged on autopilot!
One more question, please. If one is unwise or unfortunate enough to accumulate 5 strikes and get tossed out of the current version beta that they're in, will the next beta update let them back in? Also, I have created an alt profile in my vehicle with FSD beta turned off, for when I'm driving with the old lady who refuses to let me use beta while she's in the car. Heh. I have also not enabled beta for her profile.
It's unclear as to when or if it will be returned so hard to say. However, there are some people who had lost it when strikes were 3 but it was returned at a later date.
I have FSD beta and was kicked out with 5 strikes. You get it back with the next software update. I’m back in now.
Has there been a change? I am on 25.5 just got it and thought the highway driving kickouts which I was randomly getting didnt affect FSD... but I got 5 and am kicked out of Fsd beta..... I hope they reset these in January like they did last January... I have seen so many videos saying that if you run the fsd off and get kicked out on highway it won't count against your strikes but this seems to no longer be true!! Oh Black Tesla you are awesome by the way!
They've changed it since this video sadly so they are all connected now 😞 they should reset with v11.
@@BlackTesla Thank you! When do you think 11 will be coming? They snuck in 25.5 before the holiday so I figure v11 isn’t ready yet.
Still no v 11 or even talk of it. And do you think they’ll reset them then. Someone said they are doing away with strikes.
Does anyone have a guess how these strikes will work with the upcoming full stack implementation?
They have already unified the strikes since we published the video so it will persist with full stack v11 😞 but they should also be resetting strikes with v11 as well
Now that NTSB is investigating the use of Auto Pilot and systems like that in other vehicles there is concern that the government may shut down its use. I suspect that is why the STRIKE system is now in place and being enforced. There are people out there that do NOT want anyone using any BETA software to control vehicles and they're pushing hard to force manufacturers to test these systems in closed environments. Of course, the problem with that are all of the edge cases that no closed test track can provide. Stopping its use on public roadways will set back development of such systems by years. IMHO
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I think it's more the case that the competition that has the ear of the administration wants to slow down Tesla as they are too far ahead, so the NTSB is being used to investigate something that's not a real issue.
@@bburton333 Dirty tricks as usual...
Is there any way to recover from having 4 strikes? I’d be willing to start over from scratch. What happens when you get kicked out? I have turned off so as to protect getting it when a new version comes out. Did you ever figure out what happens if you’re kicked out? I believe you can still get a strike with FSD beta turned off but on autopilot. My buddy was driving and got hit 3x for not paying attention to the nag. We were in the car 9 hours that day on a road trip and we were 2 miles from end of trip 😢
If you are kicked out I believe you can be reinstated with a strike reset update, but it's hard to say when or if that will happen. I think at the very least they will reset and reinstate people when it goes wide.
has your FSD beta been reinstated? or did tsla removed your stikes
@@swapnilkotalwar my strikes were removed with updates and now I understand if you do get kicked out it’s only for a week or some other short period of time.
@@HowardFeinstein any way to clear accrued strikes? Or they only reset after 5 strikes only. Any way to clear those stikes?
I was paying attention all time but still it forced this disengagement. This is my first week with car and I was paid in full for this service and was exited to try out almost everyday.
@@swapnilkotalwar they fall off overtime, just enjoy it and monitor what you’re doing. If you get kicked out, I think it’s just for a very short time.
How do you find out how many strikes you have had?
Look under the FSD Beta button it's written in text as a part of the disclaimer
So if kicked out by 5 strikes, simple autosteer is also unavailable anymore? If I turn off the autopilot beta then autosteer will be restated for the next drive?
As of this video there was no way to decouple autosteer from FSD Beta so it was all disabled. However the latest build allows you to use each component separately (TACC, Autosteer, and FSD Beta) so now you should still be able to use basic navigate on Autopilot if you've been suspended by FSD Beta but I haven't confirmed this.
How can Tesla lock you out of something that you paid for? Lol, this makes no sense.
If I pay $12k for FSD, I expect to be able to use it no matter what. Someone needs to clear this up.
Unless we're talking about just the ability to use the beta version of FSD and not the final version. Which I guess makes sense, it's still kind of silly in my opinion.
💯 I dony like this at all. If you pay for it you should own it and you should be able to transfer it as well. But I understand the level of scrutiny Tesla is under with this tech people at this very moment are trying to get NHTSA to shut it down. So they are being overly cautious. Sadly Tesla features like this ate perpetually in BETA as a means of legal liability. So there is no final version just a version where they will allow mass owners to enable it.
So let me get this straight if i get 5 strikes i will never get my tesla to self drive again
If you get 5 strikes it will disable FSD Beta for 1 week as of this comment.
@@BlackTesla thank you I started panicking after watching this because the company wont let me return the car
When will Tesla reset strikes again?
Possibly v11
Guess I’ll be off my phone 🙄
Please don't mess around with this system it can be very volatile.
i dont understand why every one of the video on autopilot is supporting tesla, despite paying 15K for the feature. i think they have NO right to disable anything they sold you. unless they refund.
I understand your position but I have to remind you that in its current form it is in early access beta that technically is not supposed to be accessible to the public which is why Tesla can choose who it goes to and how it works based on behavior. However since they are actively selling this feature they are forced to give it to people who bought it in its current form so hence their ability to take it away if anyone compromises the development/advancement. I know it's messed up but that's the reality, and under normal circumstances almost no customer would have access in its current form the way Tesla used to beta test their features.
@@BlackTesla you need to refund my money in that case; next thing you say is you had 3 accidents driving can not drive tesla/anymore. Once you sold it no more yours... #TeslaFakeSale #ThereAreBetterOptionsThanTesla.. I think this needs to be thorough regulated.
Strikes count when FSD is turned off, take it from me
So glad I don’t have the in cabin cam don’t have to deal with that
Yeah we don't have it in our X and it feels liberating.
How do you know if you have cameras in the cab?
I got a strike for using my phone at a red light. This car is a gimmick and I can’t wait to sell it.
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What would you replace it with that would make you happier?
@@RobertLoPinto Probably a gas car.
This video could have been two minutes 🤦♂️
for this price I do not understand that this technological car does not speak...
💯 but not because of the price just because of the state of technology. We have the car which has AI and can navigate environments and turn-by-turn voice guidance but they don't marry the 2 so the car can tell you what it intends to do before it does it.