This is going to shake up the other companies. Always nice seeing small companies getting out well done and designed hardware for, in this case, a very much competitive or even unbeatable price
Hi, There's a few comments asking for the shipment schedule (and probably quite a lot more interested in this), understandably. Maybe it's better to cover those in a separate comment, rather than to answer to every individual comment. Hopefully this way this will reach more people. And sorry for not responding here earlier - we're super busy getting the pedals out of the door. We will update the text on the product soon, but here's the best estimates we currently can give. And estimates are always really difficult, but we assure you that we've doing all we can to speed things up here all the time. We have some great time savings coming up on our process, so hopefully these would enable us to get even ahead of this schedule. We can't really promise this (also negative things can always happen, fingers crossed), but we are hopeful things will get a lot easier for us here, and thus enable you all to get the pedals faster - still, apologies for the long wait and thank you for the patience, it is appreciated a lot. Estimated shipping schedule for orders: 5400 - 5500: shipped 5500 - 5600: week 21 (done and dusted) 5600 - 5700: weeks 22 - 23 5700 - 5800: weeks 23 - 24 5800 - 5900: weeks 24 - 25 5900 - 6000: weeks 25 - 26 6000 - 6100: weeks 25 - 26 6100 - 6200: week 26 Best regards, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
The pre-order phase has ended and this is just a short and quick big thank you to all for the incredible support - it has been a 3+ year process to develop these pedals (obviously it is the end result of finding out stuff with R7 & Thera), we are super happy with the pedals - time will tell if you feel the same. And we can not leave without mentioning the incredible footage by Dan - you just keep upping your game, the footage / visuals are sublime. I would call you a wizard if I would believe in such things. All the best, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
After reading through all the comments by Simgrade that are addressing concerns and already listing improvements for the final version that will ship to consumers, I have no doubt that I made the right choice to pre-order these. I can't wait to get them.
@@trevorbelmont4633 All pre-orders (and after) will have the change for the brake bearings (that roll on the LC) There will be 4x bearings with no flanges, and they will be moved inwards a bit to have them sit fully on the load cell. Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
Thanks! Looks super solid. Secured mine view days ago using your link. 0 reviews from other channels so I take your word for it that they're actually good :D
Sometimes there are people who can think outside the box. Not just creating really good pedals, but to do that with competetive price in Finland. And for those who dont know, Finland isnt cheap country to manufacture anything even on eu standards. Great feel, Great price, and also compact size of pedals is important to some of us.
Love it, when there is more competition on the market. Always a positive for the customers. 💪 When I see this and the Moza Eco System for example…; this should bring more opponents to the track! 🥳😊
Dan for sure seems to be upping his game all the time - will it ever stop? :) Sorry I had to comment, Dan is doing a great service for the simracing community providing this level of footage, kudos - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
I honestly dont think these are under priced. But rather the other stuff is way way over priced. I am getting back into IRacing and am shocked at the prices. Its ridiculous. I am not paying 2k for pedals for a video game. But not negative toward you, love your stuff. If these were higher I would pass on them. In this economy with everything almost doubling I cant justify it
I ordered 3 pedal set. I wasnt even searching for pedals but when i saw your video i changed my mind. Looks just too good to skip. Also its made in finland so its domestic for me and that was nice bonus. Cant wait to receive my set of pedals. I have Thrustmaster T-LCM now so i think its nice uprage and probably will keep those pedals for many years. Im super hyped! Nice review for sure.
@@novantium3760 Huge uprage coming from tlcm. It took like 3.5months to get my pedals, because there was so many pre-orders and thats my only negative thing about this whole process. Pedals are fantastic. I like VX-PROs more than sprints or VRS pedals. In this price category these are my favorite pedals for sure.
Hi @kimyoon4374 - we have addressed already this, the pedals will be delivered with different end stopper, that allows for longer throw for the throttle. Best Regards, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
@@kimyoon4374 Yes it's true, but there was things to figure out to know if we can make the change in time for the first deliveries. Didn't want to promise anything we couldn't know for sure.
The clutch bite point customization reminds me of the use of cams in high-end joysticks, very nice. Pre-ordered the double pedal set last week with all the options. Great to have your first impression, thanks!
They are FOR SURE. Look at the shake up of DD wheel base prices when Fanatec announced their CSL DD. These companies have tacked on a 100-200% markup for sure, and have been loving it while the hobby was much smaller pre-covid.
Yup, 100%. Bought my HE Sprints a few years ago, knowing full well that the price is about double what it should be, if it was in a more competitive niche. Glad to see more competition as well as solid innovations at this price point.
Thanks Kenny for the nice comment - that is actually what we're trying to achieve here, we are also simracers and know exactly what you're talking about :) - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
nice, but its kinda dumb that in the thumbnail, you show 3pedal set with the price of the 2pedal set, that seems to imply that its 299 for 3. bisschen in die irre führend
Just ordered these based on these impressions. Switching from TLC-M. These VX Pro's look really good, especially for the price. Gotta support Simgrade for it. Thank you for the video Dan!
Having used these for about 6 weeks now, I'm very impressed with the set. Haven't even explored the multiple different adjustment options but I got used to them fairly quickly. The brake pedal makes the biggest difference for me. I had mounted my TLCM on my P1X with Thrustmaster adapters but I feel they were rather poor, too much flex making the TLCM underused. The VX-pro's mounted directly to my pedalplate are much stiffer and when muscle memory adapted, more precise and easier to bleed off the brakes/trail brake. It'll depend on your driving style also but I'm very satisfied personally. I'm mostly impressed with the immaculate build quality. Simgrade didn't cut corners despite delivery delays and it shows in the shipped product. The throttle has a load-cell as well so finding a comfortable pressure point might take some time to get used to. The software is fine and adjustments are easily made. I have yet to really find the best position/setting for the clutch so can't really comment on that yet. Overall I'm really satisfied although I have no other pedalset to compare it to besides the TLCM. I had the pre-order discount when I ordered mine. @@novantium3760
@@S2GUnit I think there's definitely an improvement in laptimes, but mostly overall feeling and thus driveability. Trailbraking is easier for instance. I'm generally faster than before but that could also be experience gain. Difficult to really measure. These VX-Pro pedals allow for better consistency imho but most good loadcell brakepedals will do that.
Well I'm sold, gonna go buy them. Main thing was the brake, never really got on my HE Sprint brake pedal with the elastomers and had been waiting to try out the VRS as I think I'd get on better with a spring brake but at this price I can't say no. Cheers Dan 👍
Just received mine Dan! Thank you so much for showing this to us man, 3 months waiting and when I opened that box, oh mate this thing has insane build quality, here we see form over design and design ends up being pretty fucking amazing, i made the jump from a T-LCM Pedals and man i'm speechless,. But i'll confess, when i saw the simagic P1000 with haptic feedback a few weeks I got excited, that looks great for the price, but my impression is that this VX-PRO's will last for AGES, everything that moves is in ball bearings, I never thought I would be able to buy stuf of this quality for an honest price. Dan, queep giving us insights on this amazing products and smaller companies, lets drive up this competition.
I’ve just ordered my set. I’m having a bit of a nightmare trying to download and install the calibration software on to my pc. Any advice please would be appreciated.
The clutch design is awesome.. looking at a lot of different set ups i always wonder how the clutch feels. having driven different manual cars over the years a hydraulic clutch has a different feel then a Direct link clutch , take like an 86 supra Vs a 66 mustang with a 4 speed, what they did with those ramps makes so much sense to get that clutch brake or spring grab
@DanSuzuki Thanks for getting this out. Great to see new products so soon, and all the reviews you are doing. Content is great, to the point with your dry sarcasm thrown in here and there :) Keep doing what you doing mate. Any plans for a CubeControls SP01 review coming soon ?
Happy you got this first look in before pre-order ended. Seeing them in action and your initial thoughts convinced me. Buying the 2 pedal set (clutch looks like a great design but can't remember last time I used the one I have).
The calibration tool does not run on my computer no matter what i do. It ran once and it does not run again. There are no clear instructions on what to do and no proper response system from simgrade.
It's logical that the prizes of these things dip. More and more companies make it and other ones learn from it. Development costs keep getting lower and as a result we are able to buy top notch quality stuff for a reasonable price. Saying things like "they sell it too cheap" is not something we can judge. But I understand it is based on what we already know and have seen. It's just simple economics.
A friend of mine LOVES them, and has no desire to upgrade unless he wins the lottery and can get the Simucube Active Pedals. He has HE Sprints before, and strongly prefers these over them.
@@glenndjenkinsHey, I'm also considering to buy a set of these pedals, but I have one concern: Will dust/dirt which definetly will come in contact with the bearing mechanism on the load cells will have a noticable influence on the performance? And in Dan's video at 2:50 it looks like there are metal shavings around the bearings. Does the bearings damage the load cell over time?
I was sold until I saw the wear from the bearing rolling on the load cell with some shavings there. It looked like it couldn't take much more. I think I'd still buy them though. Easy fix.
@@DanSuzuki Yes indeed - this will not happen on the customer pedals. I also noticed this on the close up, and we will assemble the customer brake pedals with 4x those bearings that have no flange --> this will allow us to also space them inwards, thus giving 2mm more load carrying surface on the bearings. This will benefit the bearings lifetime wise too. Well spotted @damianmalka3834 :)
@@kosketi81 That is great news because it looked like a flawed design to me ! @Dan Suzuki, please make this part of the final review ! And also the heel support.
@@kosketi81 I'm glad to know you're improving that. My idea was to use a longer cylindrical bearing that mounts on both sides and makes contact with the whole surface. like a rolling pin on dough! but I don't even know if they exist. I'm sure your solution will work well.
I recently got the vrs pedals but these look even better, especially the heal plate add on, at this price do you think getting these and selling the vrs pedals is worth it? For me the brake and throttle customisation looks great
Intressting Pedals they look great. I put it in my pedal list for my next Upgrade. But why they write on their side on the throttle no metal to metal contact.... 🤔🤔Ball bearing to loadcell seems to me metal to metal contact or not?
Ive just fitted these to my rig after seen loads of great reviews but im a little stuck atm. Ive got the brake on the softest setting but my pedal still doesnt have any travel like it does on here. Any idea why? cos i hate pushing a brick wall cos its not realistic at all.
well ive been messing with these pedals all day and i can say mine are no way as good as this vid shows. I have hardly any pedal travel the user manual is garbage and doesnt show or explain anything and the software just glitches out on me all the time and it wont even let me calibrate the pedals. Not impressed with this waste of money
Just ordered one set thanks to your recommandations! Nice savings for my end. I’ll now wait for the full review to be sure! It was time I departed from these CSL pedals😅 Thanks again for putting us up. 💜
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Man, I don't even have a sim rig ATM, but I sure want these pedals 😆
The pedals look good. I'm just worried about wear and tear. The rollers that run on the load cell already have a lot of wear and tear on you in the video. Metal shavings can already be seen in the video.
Yes, this... Most companies are overcharging sim gear so much that it´s sad to see. I think the price is what i would consider around the avg, comparing to other pedals in the 500 euros range(ignoring Fanatec cause they still want 500+ for 7 or 8 year old models and designs). We need the pedal segment to be as competitive as the DD/wheels segment.High-end brands tend to over engineer pedals from premium single cast alummium blocks as if everyone need Formula 1 grade pedals.
It will vary a bit, depending on where on the cue you're positioned.. we were suprized by the large amount of pre-orders (thank you all again!), so to get them all shipped will take us few weeks unfortunately. But yes, the first shipments will leave this week. We hope for some patience, the pedals will be worth it :) Needless to say, we're doing our very best to ship them to you all as fast as possible, it is also in our interests. Thanks again, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
dam the throw on the gas is super short. also i feel like even with the barings the face of the loadcell will ware out but most likely the loadcells will die way before that. i thought about getting these but thay are 930 cad with vat and shiping and i can see getting hit with vat again at customs wich would then make them not a good deal and thare shiping with dhl wich iv heard is like ups so add a $100 bs fee for them to do thare job that you already payed them to do.
@@SiskoMilo ho ok yeah i looked at the cart and it showed it with vat. but yeah it dosint when go to check out. honstly these are vary tempting its about the same price as the vnm pedals i was think about getting only reason i havint jumped on one of them is the lose ill be taking selling my v3 after only 8 mouths.
Technology is interesting, but that's also about €570 with shipping... 😉 But honestly: This clickbaiting "299" really gets on my nerves personally! 3 pedals are shown on the title picture, 299 is underneath! That's why people click on that shit! Sorry, just my 2 cents. Technik ist schon interessant, aber das sind mit Versand auch 570€... Was soll das Gelaber von die sind viel zu billig.😉 Aber ehrlich: Mir persönlich geht dieses ein Clickbaiting "299" echt auf den Sack!!! 3 Pedale sind auf dem Titelbild abgebildet, 299 steht darunter! Darum klicken die Leute diesen Scheißdreck an! Sorry.
I get your point, but most people don’t care about the clutch, I think the low entry price is interesting for the 2 pedal set but I also want to show the full product, difficult :) Anyways, I’ll change the Thumbnail to be less misleading, it wasn’t my intention.
seems like those plates for throttle end stop could be adjusted for longer throw. That short throttle throw would probably bother me a bit. I wish they could go a bit further.
We will sort this out - a longer throw will be available. Sorry I cannot yet tell you more details, but it's such an easy modification we surely will make that available some way.
@@DanSuzuki PLEASE don't forget to check this in your review with the final unit ! This is of course a deal braker if this isn't fixed in the final unit. It will break the loadcell for sure, it really looks terrible. I almost cannot believe that there are not more comments about it here because I was shocked when I saw it. I'm going to buy these pedals IF they fix this with the heel support, so please also make that part of your review.
@@turbohenk702 the design has been changed for the final units, no flanged bearings that "scrape" the loadcell any more - they switched to 4 "regular" bearings instead
need a long term review for that. definitely not worse than VRS, brake is as good or maybe even better, throttle is better because you can have higher resistance but have to see if there occur any issues in the long term, VRS are very solid regarding that.
Hi Daniel - I'm Timo Koskela from SIMGRADE° - the pedals connect to a controller box with RJ9 connector and the PC connects to the controller box with a USB A-B cable
@@kosketi81 Thanks Timo, am I right to assume that this controller box is included with the pedal set? I could not find this information on your website.
Would love to get these pedals for the price mentioned here but they have already increased the price and shipping to the US is high. Oh well perhaps later.
@@gaming-fuel6250 - Please proceed until the checkout and select Germany as the shipment country, the price will be correct then. Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE° And yes, you unfortunately will have to pay taxes too, but the tax % varies a bit between countries so the end result is a bit different often.
Just ordered this based on your firs impressions mate, at the retail price of 547€, upgrading from a T-LCM to pair with my Simagic Alpha. Was about to pull the trigger in the HE Sprints but this looks really insane for the price, even without the pre-order discount, hope they will serve me for many years. Thanks for bringing this product to our attention, your content is top notch! Cheers!
How is the pedal angle adjusted? Does this affect the throw distance as well? I'm wanting to pull the trigger on this TODAY, but am wondering if this has enough adjustability for my liking. Coming from the Fanatec V3's and looking for a worthy upgrade. I was initially going to buy the VRS, but the price of these is very attractive.
The angle for one pedal is adjusted by removing 2 bolts, tilting the pedal and bolting the bolts back on. All pedals can be tilted 8,5 degrees "away from the driver" (rear of the pedal downwards). Hope this helps - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
@@____________________ok Even if it might be debatable how true that is in most cases, this is also possible with these pedals. You just add spacers inside the spring, thus limiting the travel as much as you like. After that you'll really be pushing against a brick wall :) It's a "2nd" stage, but here you also can adjust the location where the 2nd stage starts. One good way to adjust it is to take the hardest braking zone on the given track, and make the spacers stop the travel at 80% load or so (or whatever you prefer).
@@kosketi81 really looking forward to receiving them. Is the info on your site up to date? Are you still looking at supplying them the first part of April?
I guess me too now, ordered. I love my VRS pedals but indeed the face plate isn't comfortable with socks, throttle is fine for me. I love the look of the heel plates but £70 with taclx each 😮, that'll have to wait. My main worry is the throw of the throttle 🤔 Hopefully I should be able to sell the vrs pedals for near purchase price so get some money back (if I like the simgrade obviously)
hi Dan, can you tell us more about the simgrade how they are ? i‘m really interested how they compare to the vrs pedals ? i‘ve preordered the vrs, but i heard since over one month they don‘t have produce pedals 😏 because of that maybe i swith to the simgrade
“ the price is way too low “ is it really Dan? Everything good in the sim world is a rip off ,and the one thing that’s fairly priced he says it’s way too low ..pshh
@@zeekot4064 I would agree. The prices most companies have listed are insane. You know what would be a fantastic idea? Let's have the community donate to Dan so he can investigate and test how much it would cost to make or replicate various sim equipment. He could tell us how much it costs to make a particular item and then compare it to how much the company is charging. You would have to factor in research and development etc etc. The motor that powers the VRS, Simucube, and now Asetek direct drive wheelbases for example. That would be some great content... We would absolutely love watching a build vs cost series!
@DanSuzuki 7 months later still waiting for full review.
Yeah RUclipsrs make promises of things like this and often don’t follow through
Full review made on these?
17 months later ...
This is going to shake up the other companies. Always nice seeing small companies getting out well done and designed hardware for, in this case, a very much competitive or even unbeatable price
Hi,
There's a few comments asking for the shipment schedule (and probably quite a lot more interested in this), understandably. Maybe it's better to cover those in a separate comment, rather than to answer to every individual comment. Hopefully this way this will reach more people.
And sorry for not responding here earlier - we're super busy getting the pedals out of the door. We will update the text on the product soon, but here's the best estimates we currently can give.
And estimates are always really difficult, but we assure you that we've doing all we can to speed things up here all the time. We have some great time savings coming up on our process, so hopefully these would enable us to get even ahead of this schedule. We can't really promise this (also negative things can always happen, fingers crossed), but we are hopeful things will get a lot easier for us here, and thus enable you all to get the pedals faster - still, apologies for the long wait and thank you for the patience, it is appreciated a lot.
Estimated shipping schedule for orders:
5400 - 5500: shipped
5500 - 5600: week 21 (done and dusted)
5600 - 5700: weeks 22 - 23
5700 - 5800: weeks 23 - 24
5800 - 5900: weeks 24 - 25
5900 - 6000: weeks 25 - 26
6000 - 6100: weeks 25 - 26
6100 - 6200: week 26
Best regards, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
The pre-order phase has ended and this is just a short and quick big thank you to all for the incredible support - it has been a 3+ year process to develop these pedals (obviously it is the end result of finding out stuff with R7 & Thera), we are super happy with the pedals - time will tell if you feel the same.
And we can not leave without mentioning the incredible footage by Dan - you just keep upping your game, the footage / visuals are sublime. I would call you a wizard if I would believe in such things.
All the best,
Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
Hello Timo. Any update on the delivery schedule for pre orders ?
Hey! Any update on my order? Let me know where i can share details about my order number and such :)
Thnx
After reading through all the comments by Simgrade that are addressing concerns and already listing improvements for the final version that will ship to consumers, I have no doubt that I made the right choice to pre-order these. I can't wait to get them.
but its still better to get the updated version right? this is going to be the base version v0
@@trevorbelmont4633 All pre-orders (and after) will have the change for the brake bearings (that roll on the LC) There will be 4x bearings with no flanges, and they will be moved inwards a bit to have them sit fully on the load cell. Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
The perfect impulse buy:
✅ Wanting to upgrade pedals
✅ Paycheck received today
✅ Dan Suzuki Video with 299€ in thumbnail and Simgrade in the title
can't wait to have mine, upgrading from V3's
Same
Thanks! Looks super solid. Secured mine view days ago using your link. 0 reviews from other channels so I take your word for it that they're actually good :D
please make your full review Dan, would love to hear your end thoughts on this beast!
Sometimes there are people who can think outside the box. Not just creating really good pedals, but to do that with competetive price in Finland. And for those who dont know, Finland isnt cheap country to manufacture anything even on eu standards. Great feel, Great price, and also compact size of pedals is important to some of us.
Love it, when there is more competition on the market. Always a positive for the customers. 💪 When I see this and the Moza Eco System for example…; this should bring more opponents to the track! 🥳😊
When do we get the full review?
Did you have time to test these further? Thanks!
Thanks so much Dan. Just ordered these - they look amazing. Thank you for what you do mister. Really appreciate it.
Dan for sure seems to be upping his game all the time - will it ever stop? :) Sorry I had to comment, Dan is doing a great service for the simracing community providing this level of footage, kudos - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
I honestly dont think these are under priced. But rather the other stuff is way way over priced. I am getting back into IRacing and am shocked at the prices. Its ridiculous. I am not paying 2k for pedals for a video game. But not negative toward you, love your stuff. If these were higher I would pass on them. In this economy with everything almost doubling I cant justify it
You’re not wrong 😅
I ordered 3 pedal set. I wasnt even searching for pedals but when i saw your video i changed my mind. Looks just too good to skip. Also its made in finland so its domestic for me and that was nice bonus. Cant wait to receive my set of pedals. I have Thrustmaster T-LCM now so i think its nice uprage and probably will keep those pedals for many years. Im super hyped! Nice review for sure.
how'd it go? just ordered these to replace my tlcm
@@novantium3760 Huge uprage coming from tlcm. It took like 3.5months to get my pedals, because there was so many pre-orders and thats my only negative thing about this whole process. Pedals are fantastic. I like VX-PROs more than sprints or VRS pedals. In this price category these are my favorite pedals for sure.
Hi Dan, when will follow the long term review?
I really like a new, innovative design but the short throttle travel would be a make-or-break thing for many potential buyers.
Hi @kimyoon4374 - we have addressed already this, the pedals will be delivered with different end stopper, that allows for longer throw for the throttle. Best Regards, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
@@kosketi81 Ahh, it should have been mentioned before the pre-order discount ended. :( However, thanks for letting us know.
@@kimyoon4374 Yes it's true, but there was things to figure out to know if we can make the change in time for the first deliveries. Didn't want to promise anything we couldn't know for sure.
Still worth it for 500Euros?
hey full review when? :)
Holy cow. These pedals look amazing for the price!
Hey Dan, would you decide for Simgrade or VRS Pedals?
Yeah Dan! We are waiting for the full review:)
The clutch bite point customization reminds me of the use of cams in high-end joysticks, very nice. Pre-ordered the double pedal set last week with all the options. Great to have your first impression, thanks!
Thanks for the trust @SimDX! Let us know how you feel with them - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
@@kosketi81 Will certainly do!
you'd think other companies might be overpricing if they can do it for this price
Other companies are 100% overpricing to maximize profits. Sim racing is a hobby, and anything labeled a hobby is usually expensive.
They are FOR SURE. Look at the shake up of DD wheel base prices when Fanatec announced their CSL DD. These companies have tacked on a 100-200% markup for sure, and have been loving it while the hobby was much smaller pre-covid.
Yup, 100%. Bought my HE Sprints a few years ago, knowing full well that the price is about double what it should be, if it was in a more competitive niche. Glad to see more competition as well as solid innovations at this price point.
It's about time someone brought out some affordable sim racing gear...Kudos to them.
Thanks Kenny for the nice comment - that is actually what we're trying to achieve here, we are also simracers and know exactly what you're talking about :) - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
Well, missed the pre order phase, now there 494 euros, brake and clutch. 😢
nice, but its kinda dumb that in the thumbnail, you show 3pedal set with the price of the 2pedal set, that seems to imply that its 299 for 3. bisschen in die irre führend
Now these look much nicer than those pedals made out of 8020 profile.
FYI those springs are easily found in various dimensions on Aliexpress and other direct to consumer Chinese ecommerce outlets.
Just ordered these based on these impressions. Switching from TLC-M. These VX Pro's look really good, especially for the price. Gotta support Simgrade for it. Thank you for the video Dan!
how'd it go? just ordered these to replace my tlcm
Having used these for about 6 weeks now, I'm very impressed with the set. Haven't even explored the multiple different adjustment options but I got used to them fairly quickly. The brake pedal makes the biggest difference for me. I had mounted my TLCM on my P1X with Thrustmaster adapters but I feel they were rather poor, too much flex making the TLCM underused. The VX-pro's mounted directly to my pedalplate are much stiffer and when muscle memory adapted, more precise and easier to bleed off the brakes/trail brake.
It'll depend on your driving style also but I'm very satisfied personally. I'm mostly impressed with the immaculate build quality. Simgrade didn't cut corners despite delivery delays and it shows in the shipped product.
The throttle has a load-cell as well so finding a comfortable pressure point might take some time to get used to. The software is fine and adjustments are easily made. I have yet to really find the best position/setting for the clutch so can't really comment on that yet. Overall I'm really satisfied although I have no other pedalset to compare it to besides the TLCM.
I had the pre-order discount when I ordered mine. @@novantium3760
@@RacingisLif3were you able to gain 2-3 tenths with the Simgrade over the TLCM's?
@@S2GUnit I think there's definitely an improvement in laptimes, but mostly overall feeling and thus driveability. Trailbraking is easier for instance. I'm generally faster than before but that could also be experience gain. Difficult to really measure. These VX-Pro pedals allow for better consistency imho but most good loadcell brakepedals will do that.
Dan please help I’m about to buy new pedals VX pro or VRS…?
Well I'm sold, gonna go buy them. Main thing was the brake, never really got on my HE Sprint brake pedal with the elastomers and had been waiting to try out the VRS as I think I'd get on better with a spring brake but at this price I can't say no. Cheers Dan 👍
Still waiting for the SimTrecs pedal review….😮
Just received mine Dan! Thank you so much for showing this to us man, 3 months waiting and when I opened that box, oh mate this thing has insane build quality, here we see form over design and design ends up being pretty fucking amazing, i made the jump from a T-LCM Pedals and man i'm speechless,. But i'll confess, when i saw the simagic P1000 with haptic feedback a few weeks I got excited, that looks great for the price, but my impression is that this VX-PRO's will last for AGES, everything that moves is in ball bearings, I never thought I would be able to buy stuf of this quality for an honest price.
Dan, queep giving us insights on this amazing products and smaller companies, lets drive up this competition.
I’ve just ordered my set. I’m having a bit of a nightmare trying to download and install the calibration software on to my pc. Any advice please would be appreciated.
Were you able to gain 2-3 tenths after upgrading from the TLCM's?
The clutch design is awesome.. looking at a lot of different set ups i always wonder how the clutch feels. having driven different manual cars over the years a hydraulic clutch has a different feel then a Direct link clutch , take like an 86 supra Vs a 66 mustang with a 4 speed, what they did with those ramps makes so much sense to get that clutch brake or spring grab
@DanSuzuki Thanks for getting this out. Great to see new products so soon, and all the reviews you are doing. Content is great, to the point with your dry sarcasm thrown in here and there :) Keep doing what you doing mate. Any plans for a CubeControls SP01 review coming soon ?
Happy you got this first look in before pre-order ended. Seeing them in action and your initial thoughts convinced me. Buying the 2 pedal set (clutch looks like a great design but can't remember last time I used the one I have).
when is your full review cming?
So will u be making a full reveiw on these pedals or ?
The calibration tool does not run on my computer no matter what i do. It ran once and it does not run again. There are no clear instructions on what to do and no proper response system from simgrade.
It's logical that the prizes of these things dip. More and more companies make it and other ones learn from it. Development costs keep getting lower and as a result we are able to buy top notch quality stuff for a reasonable price. Saying things like "they sell it too cheap" is not something we can judge. But I understand it is based on what we already know and have seen. It's just simple economics.
Seriously considering these. Does anyone have any long-term impressions?
A friend of mine LOVES them, and has no desire to upgrade unless he wins the lottery and can get the Simucube Active Pedals. He has HE Sprints before, and strongly prefers these over them.
@@glenndjenkinsHey, I'm also considering to buy a set of these pedals, but I have one concern: Will dust/dirt which definetly will come in contact with the bearing mechanism on the load cells will have a noticable influence on the performance? And in Dan's video at 2:50 it looks like there are metal shavings around the bearings. Does the bearings damage the load cell over time?
Love to see great hardware at more accessible prices. Sim racing needs this to continue growing.
I was sold until I saw the wear from the bearing rolling on the load cell with some shavings there. It looked like it couldn't take much more. I think I'd still buy them though. Easy fix.
That will be changed for the final production version, the „guardrails“ on the bearing are a tiny bit too close on this one
@@DanSuzuki Yes indeed - this will not happen on the customer pedals. I also noticed this on the close up, and we will assemble the customer brake pedals with 4x those bearings that have no flange --> this will allow us to also space them inwards, thus giving 2mm more load carrying surface on the bearings. This will benefit the bearings lifetime wise too. Well spotted @damianmalka3834 :)
@@kosketi81 That is great news because it looked like a flawed design to me ! @Dan Suzuki, please make this part of the final review ! And also the heel support.
@@kosketi81 I'm glad to know you're improving that. My idea was to use a longer cylindrical bearing that mounts on both sides and makes contact with the whole surface. like a rolling pin on dough! but I don't even know if they exist. I'm sure your solution will work well.
I recently got the vrs pedals but these look even better, especially the heal plate add on, at this price do you think getting these and selling the vrs pedals is worth it? For me the brake and throttle customisation looks great
Intressting Pedals they look great. I put it in my pedal list for my next Upgrade. But why they write on their side on the throttle no metal to metal contact.... 🤔🤔Ball bearing to loadcell seems to me metal to metal contact or not?
It means the end stoppers --> travel of the pedal is not limited with metal-metal contact. All the best, Timo / SIMGRADE°
500 Euros now :(
meanwhile they cost 511,70€ for the 2set shipped to germany.
One question,I have tr80,do I need the pedal plate or just mount them directly?
We've added the footprint drawing for one pedal on the product. All pedals are the same. Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE
These are now on my list for my next upgrade from my current sim jack mini. Very nice.
I want what these guys are smoking. Simgrade always comes up with special designs that no one has done before. Congrats to them!
But do you really? :D - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE° P.S. I commented because I laughed out loud reading your comment, thanks for that - so funny
Ive just fitted these to my rig after seen loads of great reviews but im a little stuck atm. Ive got the brake on the softest setting but my pedal still doesnt have any travel like it does on here. Any idea why? cos i hate pushing a brick wall cos its not realistic at all.
well ive been messing with these pedals all day and i can say mine are no way as good as this vid shows. I have hardly any pedal travel the user manual is garbage and doesnt show or explain anything and the software just glitches out on me all the time and it wont even let me calibrate the pedals. Not impressed with this waste of money
@@ghastous did you get it figured out? I've noticed adjusting the preload also adjusts how much the pedal can travel at the same time.
@@S2GUnityeh I got them sorted. Great pedals
Hi Dan, when can we expect the publication of your test of the Simgrade VX-Pro pedals?
Best regards
Ralf
Hey Ralf, to be honest, not in the very near future ... they are quite far down the "to do" list for reviews 😅
Purple software? Sold!
That will stay for sure! Best regards, Timo Koskela/ SIMGRADE
Just ordered one set thanks to your recommandations! Nice savings for my end. I’ll now wait for the full review to be sure! It was time I departed from these CSL pedals😅 Thanks again for putting us up. 💜
Man, I don't even have a sim rig ATM, but I sure want these pedals 😆
The pedals look good. I'm just worried about wear and tear. The rollers that run on the load cell already have a lot of wear and tear on you in the video. Metal shavings can already be seen in the video.
This has been addressed a few times now.
The price isn't too low. Other pedals are obviously very over priced. I guarantee they are still making money on these.
Yes, this... Most companies are overcharging sim gear so much that it´s sad to see. I think the price is what i would consider around the avg, comparing to other pedals in the 500 euros range(ignoring Fanatec cause they still want 500+ for 7 or 8 year old models and designs). We need the pedal segment to be as competitive as the DD/wheels segment.High-end brands tend to over engineer pedals from premium single cast alummium blocks as if everyone need Formula 1 grade pedals.
I have these. Just wondering whether to get the heel moving support for the brake pedal ?
Any word on when these will ship for those of us who pre-ordered?
Came here for same question😂
They say next week(tomorrow) they'll begin to ship first orders.
It will vary a bit, depending on where on the cue you're positioned.. we were suprized by the large amount of pre-orders (thank you all again!), so to get them all shipped will take us few weeks unfortunately. But yes, the first shipments will leave this week. We hope for some patience, the pedals will be worth it :) Needless to say, we're doing our very best to ship them to you all as fast as possible, it is also in our interests. Thanks again, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
Delivery of these take like 9 months so be careful folks.
What makes you say this bro ? I’m hoping mine come soon ordered end of may 😬
Got mine after 3,5mo preordered. Great pedals!
Think the prob is they are still dealing with pre orders. I pre ordered 30th march I think and have just been sent out.
Any review for the Augury AP-121?
What do you think Dan. If looking for a 3 pedal set. These pedals or HE Sprints? And how do these pedals compare to VRS pedals?
these!
@@DanSuzuki sold!
Again. Amazing straight forward video. ❤️. Perfect.
VRS is jealous of simgrade's software UI.
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Just ordered, still 299 plus shipping to US,
dam the throw on the gas is super short. also i feel like even with the barings the face of the loadcell will ware out but most likely the loadcells will die way before that. i thought about getting these but thay are 930 cad with vat and shiping and i can see getting hit with vat again at customs wich would then make them not a good deal and thare shiping with dhl wich iv heard is like ups so add a $100 bs fee for them to do thare job that you already payed them to do.
You dont need to pay double VAT if you dont buy from EU you wont pay VAT at purchase page. You will be charged from the customs in your country then.
@@SiskoMilo ho ok yeah i looked at the cart and it showed it with vat. but yeah it dosint when go to check out. honstly these are vary tempting its about the same price as the vnm pedals i was think about getting only reason i havint jumped on one of them is the lose ill be taking selling my v3 after only 8 mouths.
For the customer pedals - longer throw on the throttle is possible (we've changed the end stopper design) Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
Technology is interesting, but that's also about €570 with shipping... 😉 But honestly: This clickbaiting "299" really gets on my nerves personally! 3 pedals are shown on the title picture, 299 is underneath! That's why people click on that shit! Sorry, just my 2 cents.
Technik ist schon interessant, aber das sind mit Versand auch 570€... Was soll das Gelaber von die sind viel zu billig.😉 Aber ehrlich: Mir persönlich geht dieses ein Clickbaiting "299" echt auf den Sack!!! 3 Pedale sind auf dem Titelbild abgebildet, 299 steht darunter! Darum klicken die Leute diesen Scheißdreck an! Sorry.
I get your point, but most people don’t care about the clutch, I think the low entry price is interesting for the 2 pedal set but I also want to show the full product, difficult :)
Anyways, I’ll change the Thumbnail to be less misleading, it wasn’t my intention.
It should be less misleading now.
@@DanSuzuki Great! Thanks. Nice! 👍🏻
reminds me of flight sim gear with bearings on cams
seems like those plates for throttle end stop could be adjusted for longer throw. That short throttle throw would probably bother me a bit. I wish they could go a bit further.
We will sort this out - a longer throw will be available. Sorry I cannot yet tell you more details, but it's such an easy modification we surely will make that available some way.
@@kosketi81 awesome
02:52 wait us that loadcell wearing out? Looks like it
it's the bearings "flange" that is being a tiny bit too close to the loadcell ... will be changed for the production units according to simgrade!
@@DanSuzuki PLEASE don't forget to check this in your review with the final unit ! This is of course a deal braker if this isn't fixed in the final unit. It will break the loadcell for sure, it really looks terrible. I almost cannot believe that there are not more comments about it here because I was shocked when I saw it. I'm going to buy these pedals IF they fix this with the heel support, so please also make that part of your review.
@@turbohenk702 the design has been changed for the final units, no flanged bearings that "scrape" the loadcell any more - they switched to 4 "regular" bearings instead
How do they compare to VRS?
need a long term review for that. definitely not worse than VRS, brake is as good or maybe even better, throttle is better because you can have higher resistance
but have to see if there occur any issues in the long term, VRS are very solid regarding that.
Has anyone received their order? I have been waiting for over 6 weeks and haven't received any response to my emails. This doesn't seem right.
Nope.
Nope. They didn't even answer anymore how long to wait. Month or weeks or years you don't know.
I ordered on 16th of March and received the pedals yesterday.
I received mine today. It was a pre-order not too long ago so I wouldn't panic...
Got em! They are fantastic.
How do these pedals get connected? USB or does each pedal have its own RJ connector? My wheelbase has only one RJ port to connect pedals.
Hi Daniel - I'm Timo Koskela from SIMGRADE° - the pedals connect to a controller box with RJ9 connector and the PC connects to the controller box with a USB A-B cable
@@kosketi81 Thanks Timo, am I right to assume that this controller box is included with the pedal set? I could not find this information on your website.
@@danieldulberg2167 yes, it is included. ✅️
Thank you for contributing to my wallet being lighter... :D Sure will be an upgrade from the G29's pedals... :)
Hi Dan. Price aside and in your opinion, are these better than Asetek Invictus pedals? 😊
Ordered. Taking your word for it. I have HE sprints now, off better, for this price is a no brainier.
How do you connect these pedals? Its with a USB in the pc?
yes!
Im going to miss the Pre-order... So €547, or whatever that works out to be in US beans.
Would love to get these pedals for the price mentioned here but they have already increased the price and shipping to the US is high. Oh well perhaps later.
still shows as 299€ (or 370.76€ with taxes) for me 🤔
When you go to checkout the price will revert to the Special Preorder, just ordered mine and being shipped to US.
Once you create an account & add them to your cart it defaults to the pre-order price.
Please proceed until the checkout and select correct country for your location, the price will be correct then. Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
Curious, Dan mentioned the travel on the throttle was medium range. Is there an actual measurement? I did not see it on the website.
Thanks for this video, I've been looking at these since they went up for preorder and seeing them in action has helped.
You should probably add that the price is without VAT ;)
I did 🤔
Take it fast, I give them six month to be a 1000€ pedals set
They are listed for 379 now
That’s the price with taxes
@@erhan13 but we have to pay 379 in Germany right? + 26 € shipping
@@gaming-fuel6250299€ + 19% VAT + Shipping
@@gaming-fuel6250 - Please proceed until the checkout and select Germany as the shipment country, the price will be correct then. Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
And yes, you unfortunately will have to pay taxes too, but the tax % varies a bit between countries so the end result is a bit different often.
Just ordered this based on your firs impressions mate, at the retail price of 547€, upgrading from a T-LCM to pair with my Simagic Alpha. Was about to pull the trigger in the HE Sprints but this looks really insane for the price, even without the pre-order discount, hope they will serve me for many years. Thanks for bringing this product to our attention, your content is top notch! Cheers!
How it was? I wanna reform my tlcm too. Looking for a set under 500 euros
Who's still waiting their pre ordered units? Has anyone received the first ones already?
Almost all pre-ordered shipped. They are great.
hey dan. would u recommend these of the theras?
How is the pedal angle adjusted? Does this affect the throw distance as well? I'm wanting to pull the trigger on this TODAY, but am wondering if this has enough adjustability for my liking.
Coming from the Fanatec V3's and looking for a worthy upgrade. I was initially going to buy the VRS, but the price of these is very attractive.
The angle for one pedal is adjusted by removing 2 bolts, tilting the pedal and bolting the bolts back on. All pedals can be tilted 8,5 degrees "away from the driver" (rear of the pedal downwards). Hope this helps - Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
@@kosketi81 Awesome, thank you!
thank you for the short review :) Is it from the quality in the same region like the VRS Pedals? and how strong are the load cells?
watch the full video to find out the loadcell strength :P quality is absolutely in VRS pedal's ballpark
It looks like the brake would feel similar to an actual brake.. my HE sprints are just stiff even at low setting at 20..
@@____________________ok sorry but i drive a multi cab 😁
@@____________________ok this has been debunked a bit recently. A few vids showing that comment is a bit of a myth.
@@____________________ok Even if it might be debatable how true that is in most cases, this is also possible with these pedals. You just add spacers inside the spring, thus limiting the travel as much as you like. After that you'll really be pushing against a brick wall :) It's a "2nd" stage, but here you also can adjust the location where the 2nd stage starts. One good way to adjust it is to take the hardest braking zone on the given track, and make the spacers stop the travel at 80% load or so (or whatever you prefer).
@@kosketi81 really looking forward to receiving them. Is the info on your site up to date? Are you still looking at supplying them the first part of April?
@@____________________ok depends on the car, GT3 cars have plenty of pedal travel in real life.
wait did they really put a 200kg cell on the Clutch? o.O
Uncommon technique of mechanism but they look cool during movements
Wanted to pre-order but get a price of of 370.76€ plus VAT when putting the throttle and brake only into my cart ?
Go through to checkout and should see the cheaper price
Please proceed until the checkout and select correct country for your location, the price will be correct then. Br, Timo Koskela / SIMGRADE°
Thanks ! Ordered to the US today
Hey Dan, would recommend this pedals over the VRS pedals?
Answered further down in teh comments. He says throttle better, and brake as good if not better, but needs longer testing for longevity.
Do you think this Pedals are on one level with VRS? I am thinking about to sell my VRS Pedals to purchase VX-Pro
Not happy with your VRS? Just curious. I own vrs as well
@@Michelsen3K Not 100%. I dont like the pedal faces with socks in long races. And I would like to have a harder throttle pedal.
@@exokiller6758 thos are my only 2 complaints too haha. I ordered the vx pros and im gonna be selling my vrs pedals
I guess me too now, ordered. I love my VRS pedals but indeed the face plate isn't comfortable with socks, throttle is fine for me. I love the look of the heel plates but £70 with taclx each 😮, that'll have to wait. My main worry is the throw of the throttle 🤔
Hopefully I should be able to sell the vrs pedals for near purchase price so get some money back (if I like the simgrade obviously)
@@easybreeze1 I am thinking about to print new pedal faces with a 3D printer.
First impressions for the electronics (I assume a box or something came with)?
Same as Thera and R7, they are fine, there are better and there are worse electronics out there 😅
hi Dan, can you tell us more about the simgrade how they are ? i‘m really interested how they compare to the vrs pedals ?
i‘ve preordered the vrs, but i heard since over one month they don‘t have produce pedals 😏
because of that maybe i swith to the simgrade
No, haven’t used them since - only had them on the rig for this first impression video 😊
@@DanSuzuki oh...does that mean no long term review that you mentioned in your video?
@@Mistermoleymole Not in the very near future, Simucube pedals too good 😅
“ the price is way too low “ is it really Dan? Everything good in the sim world is a rip off ,and the one thing that’s fairly priced he says it’s way too low ..pshh
Compared to the competition it is too low :)
@@DanSuzuki or maybe the competition is overpriced
@@zeekot4064 I would agree. The prices most companies have listed are insane. You know what would be a fantastic idea? Let's have the community donate to Dan so he can investigate and test how much it would cost to make or replicate various sim equipment. He could tell us how much it costs to make a particular item and then compare it to how much the company is charging. You would have to factor in research and development etc etc. The motor that powers the VRS, Simucube, and now Asetek direct drive wheelbases for example. That would be some great content... We would absolutely love watching a build vs cost series!